[12:57] <ToHellWithGA> compiz went kinda weird after updating today.  i can't get a cube or wobbly windows.  and while the windows are decorated, i cannot grab them anywhere with the mouse or right click and select move.  they just stay stationary
[12:58] <crimsun> Welcome to Ubuntu Gutsy.  Please enjoy the ride.
[12:59] <ToHellWithGA> gee, thanks crimsun
[12:59] <ToHellWithGA> i just have no idea how to file such a bug
[12:59] <ToHellWithGA> since compiz is, to me, pretty much worthless
[12:59] <ToHellWithGA> just eye candy
[01:00] <crimsun> well, we did just get a new git snapshot
[01:00] <ToHellWithGA> that's cool
[01:00] <dotpavan> ToHellWithGA, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/
[01:01] <ToHellWithGA> gutsy has been (/me looks around) stable enough for me
[01:01] <ToHellWithGA> dotpavan: not in the "how to file a bug" sense so much as "is it worth filing" sense
[01:01] <ToHellWithGA> my bug search fu is weak.  i filed a duplicate for the first time the other day.  but i know how at least
[01:08] <gnomefreak> if you dont file bug report you are relying on other people to and that is not good as most dont care enough to file them so issue doesnt get fixed
[01:09] <ToHellWithGA> very well then gnomefreak.  i'll do a "bug ####" in here so you can double check my work ;)
[01:09] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: i wont be here long and if its compiz merge that is giving you issues than they need to worry about it
[01:26] <ToHellWithGA> gnomefreak: just for sanity's sake, i think i'm going to delete all of my ~/.* so i can be sure it isn't a problem related to my settings
[01:27] <ToHellWithGA> i'd hate to report a bug that is just a result of problems compounding through a dist-upgrade
[01:29] <DanaG> Don't delete,
[01:29] <DanaG> just make a new user.
[01:29] <ToHellWithGA> ooh, good idea
[01:30] <ToHellWithGA> i never even think of users on this machine as i'm the sole user and have autologin enabled
[02:21] <jkimball4> Is anyone else experience poor graphics performance on Intel graphics with all updates installed?
[03:23] <DanaG> Oh, to file the bug about brightness control: what package would I attach it to?
[03:23] <DanaG> It applies to both the kernel and HAL.
[04:25] <Toma-> Is it easy enough to get a scanner added to the udev/libsane.rules
[04:25] <Toma-> ?
[04:26] <shirish> ok guys, any wubi experts here or any irc chat room for wubi specifically somebody knows?
[04:27] <Toma-> isnt wubi a non-official non-gutsy thing?
[04:31] <alex_mayorga> hi, anyone can give a quick diagnose of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/121111
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121111 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Tribe 1 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> I have the "patient" right in front of me
[04:33] <Toma-> woops
[04:33] <Toma-> try 'nosmp'
[04:33] <shirish> Toma-: dunno, but I might try the same at a friend's place
[04:36] <alex_mayorga> Toma, 'nosmp' for me?
[04:36] <Toma-> yes
[04:36] <alex_mayorga> trying
[04:36] <alex_mayorga> do I keep the 'noapic nolapic' as well?
[04:36] <Toma-> might awell
[04:36] <alex_mayorga> OK, be back in a sec
[04:38] <Toma-> !find librsvg2 gutsy
[04:38] <ubotu> Found: librsvg2-2, librsvg2-bin, librsvg2-common, librsvg2-dev, librsvg2.0-cil (and 2 others)
[04:38] <Toma-> !info librsvg2-2
[04:38] <ubotu> librsvg2-2: SAX-based renderer library for SVG files (runtime). In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-2 (gutsy), package size 127 kB, installed size 296 kB
[04:38] <Toma-> yay!
[04:38] <shirish> Toma:- actually have a friend who wants to install wubi+ feisty on a windows machine, do you know any specific wubi channel ?
[04:39] <Toma-> shirish: might want to try #debian
[04:39] <shirish> Toma-: wubi is a debian product ?
[04:40] <Toma-> shirish: it began life as a debian insaller
[04:40] <Toma-> wubi forum - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234
[04:40] <shirish> Toma: thanx had no idea
[04:41] <Toma-> np
[04:41] <Toma-> wanna fix my scanner? :D
[04:41] <alex_mayorga> Toma, it drop me at an (initramfs) promt now
[04:41] <Toma-> alex_mayorga: wow.
[04:41] <alex_mayorga> do I update the bugger or is this a known thing?
[04:42] <Toma-> alex_mayorga: no idea. Start a bug, and keep adding info to it as you go
[04:42] <Toma-> hopefully someone picks it up on triage
[04:43] <shirish> alex_mayorga: you could write about it in the gutsy development forum
[04:44] <alex_mayorga> shirish, I'll try that as well
[04:46] <shirish> alex_mayorga: if you do file a bug, mention in that post as well
[04:50] <alex_mayorga> shirish, have you seen the same? in that case you might confirm my bug # 121111
[04:51] <shirish> alex_mayorga: sorry I don't have a scanner
[04:51] <Toma-> ...
[04:51] <Toma-> :P
[04:51] <shirish> alex_mayorga: I was merely trying to be helpful
[04:51] <Toma-> i have a scanner... alex_mayorga has a buggy mobo bus
[04:51] <alex_mayorga> thanks to the two of you
[04:51] <Toma-> alex_mayorga: no problem.
[04:51] <Toma-> im out. cyas
[04:53] <alex_mayorga> back to windoze then :(
[04:53] <shirish> alex_mayorga: wish DanaG and/or Sarah Hobbsee was here, they would have been able to help you a lot more
[04:55] <shirish> both are extremely professional people having lot of know-how
[04:55] <shirish> alex_mayorga: perhaps you can check the IRC some other time
[04:55] <shirish> alex_mayorga: you had issue with your scanner or with the mobo ?
[04:55] <BotLobsta> hello
[04:56] <BotLobsta> does anyone know if ctrl-alt-backspace is now supposed to restart your machine instead of restarting X? Or is that a bug?
[04:58] <DanaG> Oh, I'm here but not paying attention.
[04:58] <DanaG> But I haven't used scanners at all.
[04:58] <shirish> ah , the pricess
[04:59] <shirish> the bowing down is japanese style
[04:59] <alex_mayorga> mobo I guess
[04:59] <shirish> although /me is indian
[04:59] <shirish> although /shirish is indian
[04:59] <shirish> :)
[04:59] <alex_mayorga> given the thing wont boot with tribe 1 live CD
[04:59] <shirish> alex_mayorga: which mobo it is?
[05:00] <DanaG> Actually, I'm a guy.
[05:00] <shirish> DanaG: my apologies then
[05:00] <shirish> same here
[05:00] <DanaG> The Input Methods under Linux are cool, but useless if you don't know what you're typing.  :(
[05:00] <shirish> I had seen some nice oldie japanese movies, although with subtitles only
[05:01] <shirish> DanaG: what dou mean DanaG? " The input Methods under Linux are cool, but useless if you don't know what you're typing"
[05:01] <shirish> a generalization or something specific?
[05:02] <DanaG> SCIM Input Method.
[05:02] <DanaG> Oh, and look, a random string of Arabic:
[05:02] <DanaG> eevcveecvcvcve
[05:02] <shirish> wow
[05:02] <DanaG> That was me randomly hitting the keyboard.
[05:02] <shirish> you know arabic ?
[05:03] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:03] <DanaG> Hence "random".
[05:03] <shirish> then how did you get that?
[05:03] <shirish> that's cool
[05:03] <DanaG> What IRC program are you using?
[05:03] <shirish> pidgin
[05:03] <DanaG> If it's something GTK, right-click in the input box and select Input Method -> SCIM Input Method.
[05:04] <DanaG> (oh, you responded while I was typing.)
[05:04] <shirish> ok cool
[05:04] <DanaG> Then select languages.
[05:04] <DanaG> Another cool one: Other:Latex.
[05:04] <alex_mayorga> shirish, I don't know my mobo, trying to revive the laptop to windows and maybe the Dell site would tell me more
[05:05] <DanaG> 
[05:05] <shirish> nope, didn't work lemme try again
[05:05] <DanaG> \lll:   \ggg:
[05:06] <shirish> nope not getting anywhere
[05:06] <shirish> alex_mayorga: wish I could help u m8 but no idea about laptops
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> oo!!! '     
[05:06] <BotLobsta> i dont have that input option
[05:07] <johnnybuoy> hah, I didn't know that this scim input would make a thing in the pane pop up
[05:07] <johnnybuoy> fun :)
[05:07] <shirish> damn
[05:07] <shirish> all you guys are getting it except me
[05:07] <BotLobsta> and me
[05:08] <shirish> ah atleast I have a neighbour who has the same issue
[05:09] <shirish> DanaG: by any chance it wouldn't be that you have 2.0.2 installed from sources ?
[05:09] <DanaG> Nope, packaged version.
[05:10] <DanaG> Maybe scim isn't installed properly.
[05:10] <DanaG> Look around in synaptic or aptitude.
[05:10] <BotLobsta> anyone know where to report bugs for the x server
[05:11] <BotLobsta> scim wasnt installed at all for me
[05:11] <crimsun> BotLobsta: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+filebug
[05:11] <BotLobsta> thanks
[05:12] <shirish> BotLobsta: which pidgin version do you hav
[05:12] <BotLobsta> i dont
[05:12] <BotLobsta> im running xchat
[05:12] <BotLobsta> i looked at pidgin and hated it so i dont upgrade that package
[05:12] <shirish> as DanaG said, look for scim in aptitude
[05:13] <shirish> DanaG: never really knew what scim was all about, now I know
[05:13] <shirish> thanx to you
[05:19] <BotLobsta> anyone know why a sigterm to the x server would cause the entire machine to get a sigterm?
[05:19] <crimsun> "the entire machine"?
[05:20] <songwind> Good evening.
[05:20] <crimsun> songwind: remember, this channel is specific to gutsy.
[05:20] <BotLobsta> as in everything else
[05:20] <BotLobsta> the machine rebooted
[05:21] <crimsun> so sending TERM to X.Org reboots the machine?
[05:22] <BotLobsta> i pressed ctrl-alt-backspace and the machine rebooted
[05:23] <crimsun> and this is using which X driver?
[05:23] <BotLobsta> nvidia
[05:24] <BotLobsta> it appears to reboot X, i get a logon screen, but as soon as i "logon", it crashes
[05:24] <crimsun> BotLobsta: can you reproduce the crash using 'nv' instead of 'nvidia'?
[05:25] <BotLobsta> idk, i havent tried. idk even if my 'nv' drivers work to begin with
[05:27] <BotLobsta> ill try, brb hopefully
[05:34] <BotLobsta> well, that was interesting
[05:35] <BotLobsta> it doesnt do it at all anymore, though ive had it happen to be before
[07:08] <shirish> ubotu google earth
[07:08] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository
[07:09] <shirish> ubotu Medibuntu
[07:09] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[07:09] <shirish> guys can we have medibuntu with gutsy?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> ....
[07:12] <shirish> hi Hobbsee: sorry for the other day
[07:12] <Hobbsee> dude.....
[07:12] <shirish> anyway, what do you think about google earth for gutsy
[07:13] <Hobbsee> i dont think i should even bother commenting - as doing so, i may well break the COC.
[07:14] <shirish> you can always send me a private mail, in case you think I did something with malafide intention
[07:14] <DanaG> despite the fact that it decreases battery life of my iAudio6.
[07:14] <shirish> DanaG: its not for music
[07:14] <shirish> DanaG: I need google earth
[07:15] <DanaG> But I wonder if the nonfree MP3 decoder sounds any different from the default "ugly" one.
[07:15] <shirish> and ubotu says it is only available via medibuntu
[07:15] <shirish> I have had the same question myself, might as well as ask in the forum sometime
[07:15] <shirish> the difference between 'ugly' ones as well as the medibuntu repository
[07:17] <DanaG> My iAudio6 can play WAV, MP3, WMA, Ogg (Vorbis), and FLAC,
[07:17] <Hobbsee> it probably fits multiverse, actually, so the latter question *might* not be so moronic.
[07:17] <DanaG> but ironically, not AAC.
[07:17] <shirish> AAC is some kind of encryption IIRC
[07:17] <DanaG> I mean, even unprotected AAC.
[07:17] <shirish> ah, ok
[07:18] <shirish> like the *might*
[07:19] <Amaranth> AAC is just a codec
[07:19] <Amaranth> you're thinking of FairPlay
[07:19] <DanaG> Or how about the difference between skype and skype-static?
[07:19] <shirish> there is something called skype-static ?
[07:19] <Amaranth> Which is Apple's DRM for their m4a (mpeg4 audio) files which use AAC
[07:20] <DanaG> !info skype-static medibuntu
[07:20] <Amaranth> well, they use the m4p extension for stuff with DRM on it (mpeg 4 protected audio)
[07:20] <ubotu> Package skype-static does not exist in gutsy
[07:20] <shirish> that info needs to be filled in
[07:20] <Amaranth> ubotu only does official ubuntu and seveas' repo
[07:20] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:20] <shirish> aah
[07:21] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder if I even need w32codecs, if I haven't specifically encountered any issues.
[07:21] <shirish> Amaranth: isn't it possible to add stuff to it, from factoids or that's restricted area?
[07:21] <shirish> ubotu factoids
[07:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:22] <Amaranth> you can't add repos to it
[07:22] <Amaranth> actually you can't add anything to it
[07:22] <shirish> ah ok
[07:22] <Amaranth> editors can add factoids to it, seveas can add repos to it
[07:22] <shirish> seveas ok that's the guy, cool
[07:22] <Amaranth> DanaG: that reads changelogs.ubuntu.com, how would you expect it to work for 3rd party things?
[07:23] <Amaranth> shirish: he isn't going to add medibuntu to it
[07:23] <Amaranth> we're not real big on 3rd party repos
[07:23] <Amaranth> they tend to break things
[07:23] <DanaG> It should be possible to make it look in the root of the repo.
[07:23] <DanaG> For example, parallel to "pool" would be "changelogs".
[07:24] <shirish> Amaranth: true, and I'm going to try medibuntu with gutsy let's see how it plays
[07:24] <Amaranth> meh
[07:25] <DanaG> Hmm, what third-party repos do I use?....
[07:26] <DanaG> Medibuntu,
[07:26] <DanaG> and until moodbar was added, this one: http://cl.naist.jp/~eric-n/ubuntu-nlp
[07:36] <DanaG> But I actually haven't installed any medibuntu stuff now.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> shirish's, not yours
[07:38] <DanaG> aah.
[07:49] <crimsun> Hobbsee: check out https://code.launchpad.net/~motu/asoundconf-ui/trunk :)
[07:49] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I've got shiny PyQt3 and PyQt4 versions there for you.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: nice... :)
[09:57] <mikkael> can someone help me with nicotine ? it's not working, and there are no responses to launchpas bugs
[09:59] <mikkael> there's the problem: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/1291
[01:58] <AnRkey> hi all
[01:59] <AnRkey> i am working on a customized network installer for fiesty and gutsy
[01:59] <AnRkey> where would i change the list of repos shown in the network installer?
[03:09] <IdleOne> !tribe1
[03:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tribe1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:09] <IdleOne> !tribe
[03:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tribe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <virtuelv> any known problems with rt2500-based cards I should be aware of with Tribe 1?
[04:07] <virtuelv> as in "My rt2500 interface just vanished"
[04:29] <Hobbsee> virtuelv: look it up?
[04:31] <virtuelv> searched for a bit, couldn't find anything specific
[06:40] <DanaG> nice: add "purge" commandline argument, closes: #133421)
[06:41] <DanaG> You know what's really fun?  Google Earth under Beryl.
[06:41] <DanaG> All the better to _run out of video RAM with_, my dear.
[06:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what is "Solaris Mode" in gnome-system-monitor?
[06:44] <DanaG> Hmm, and I wonder what "    - Use new desktop capplet"  means.
[07:05] <mikkael> nobody seems to take care of nicotine bugs
[07:05] <mikkael> !nicotine
[07:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nicotine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <jkimball4> Is it a known problem that network-manager-gnome is not compatible with the recent network-manager update?
[07:10] <jkimball4> and Is anyone else experience poor graphics performance on Intel graphics with all updates installed?
[07:15] <DanaG> mikkael: for package info, try !info
[07:15] <DanaG> !info nicotene
[07:15] <ubotu> Package nicotene does not exist in gutsy
[07:15] <DanaG> er, misspelled
[07:15] <mikkael> !info nicotine
[07:15] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8+dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 609 kB, installed size 2924 kB
[07:17] <DanaG> Maybe the name scares people -- nicotine--cigarette--ugh.
[07:21] <mikkael> oh i think its attracting people more with this name
[07:21] <mikkael> no seriously, isnt there a single person who maintains that package ?
[08:11] <DanaG> Argh, the Trackballs game just slaughtered Beryl.
[08:14] <DanaG> Oh, and when you hit escape, the key repeats and the game quits.
[08:34] <pwnguin> anyone noticed the gnome power manager being a bit goofy?
[08:35] <pwnguin> it seems they've added application level battery profiling, but i'm not exactly sure how to make it work
[09:04] <corevette> When I tell my system to do a partial upgrade, the update manager just closes
[09:05] <pwnguin> corevette: try running from the command line, it probably crashes
[09:07] <corevette> pwnguin: http://pastebin.com/932079
[09:07] <ibrown> i have a lot of dev work to start doing, i downloaded ubuntu-feisty 64amd, but a lot of the libraries are a bit outdated for what i need... is edgy the release for more developers/bleeding edge and the like?  I'm switching from slackware if that helps.
[09:07] <pwnguin> ...
[09:07] <pwnguin> edgy is two releases ago
[09:07] <pwnguin> feisty is the current release, and gutsy is the new release. it helps sometimes to use numbers
[09:08] <pwnguin> ibrown: you can check packages.ubuntu.com to see if the library versions you want are already in 7.10
[09:09] <pwnguin> corevette: there's an update available that solves this
[09:09] <pwnguin> corevette: apt-get upgrade from the command line and you should be fixed up
[09:11] <ibrown> pwnguin: the glib version is only 2.12.11 which is what i found, i need a higher version of glib.
[09:12] <ibrown> pwnguin: >= 2.4
[09:33] <terlmann> what channel for bugs ?
[09:33] <pwnguin> ibrown: isn't 2.12 bigger than 2.4?
[09:33] <terlmann> ello ?
[09:34] <terlmann> got any fish ?
[09:34] <pwnguin> terlmann: launchpad's the best place to report bugs, since it does a pretty good job of finding dups
[09:34] <terlmann> yea , but this is a big one
[09:34] <terlmann> Instant
[09:34] <corevette> thanks for the help pwnguin earlier, it worked
[09:35] <pwnguin> corevette: np. i just looked at the change log before i upgraded and it mentioned your bugs ;)
[09:35] <ibrown> herm. it would appear as such.
[09:35] <ibrown> maybe i'm just too high and overlooking a pkg-config setting
[09:36] <pwnguin> pkg-config?
[09:40] <pwnguin> ibrown: debian splits out development header files into -dev packages
[09:40] <pwnguin> ibrown: so if you need a specific library included in your app, you'll need the -dev to build against
[09:40] <pwnguin> in glibc's case, i think you just need build-essential, which should pull in most of the common development tools
[09:40] <ibrown> yeah i installed the build-essentials.
[09:40] <ibrown> pwnguin: i'm recreating the build error so i can examine it under a diff angle.