[12:12] Probably as soon as it is for Debian. [12:13] I believe people are working on combining it with classpath. [12:14] Debian #398448 [12:14] Debian bug 398448 in wnpp "ITP: openjdk-compiler -- sun java compiler, javac" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/398448 [12:14] wasabi: ok === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gcmcnutt_ [n=gcmcnutt@71-209-251-115.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@dslb-084-056-042-030.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jackaesop [n=jhaubric@ip68-12-185-66.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-156-73-12.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grayman [n=grayman@89.1.242.144.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [i=guido-de@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:59] crimsun: have you heard anything reguarding flashplugin-nonfree still being broken? [12:59] gnomefreak: more context, please, in -motu? [12:59] oh thought i was === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-133-184.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] Neat. I haven't seen this build state before. [01:28] gutsy amd64 Failed to upload === tmr0 [n=tmr0@71-208-49-26.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@83.105.21.69] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] sabdf1: party @ http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Bristo+Place,+Edinburgh [01:50] hey sladen [01:51] party @ taipei tomorrow for me [01:51] sabdf1: party @ beijing yesterday for me :) [02:00] iwj and elmo are having a competition to see who can jump down from the pulpit [02:01] *thud* *..thud* [02:05] sladen: sounds like a strange kind of party to me ;) [02:05] "sounds" being the operative word ;) [02:06] (oh, not really a party) === gcmcnutt_ [n=gcmcnutt@71-209-251-115.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [i=guido-de@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-133-184.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [i=guido-de@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [n=jcole@c-67-174-222-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] where can i find a list of available packages differences between ubuntu and debian? [02:58] jcole, I don't know about ubuntu/debian overall, but I maintain a differences list for just the xorg stuff here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html [03:02] thanks bryce, thats a start [03:16] jcole: patches.ubuntu.com [03:20] i had a kitten named Patches. she breathed fire. [03:20] well, not really. but i tried to make her. [03:20] i miss you, Patches. === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [n=xhaker@a81-84-27-50.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] mneptok: haha === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tmr0 [n=tmr0@71-208-49-26.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.103.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [n=jcole@c-67-174-222-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A726F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marsu [n=user@83-177-89-9.cust.tele2.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@N843P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-4-24.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] good morning folks === _cerbero_ [n=jga@pD9527FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@219.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.15.109.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] morning guys [05:33] hey fabbione [05:33] it's 5:24, doubt anybody is awake yet :) [05:33] i am :) [05:34] I know you are :P [05:34] same here =) [05:34] but still ... ;p === damnchris [n=freeflyi@123.116.103.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] Of course fabbione is awake, he has a small child. [05:35] yeah and he is about to wake up === damnchris [n=freeflyi@123.116.103.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] StevenK, :) === j_ack [n=jack@p508D803A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg__ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@121.97.252.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg_ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mikmorg_ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione grrrrs at libcman [06:57] so ok.. [06:57] who can help me with something stupid in C [06:57] i clearly can't see the simplest thingy [06:57] i have a set of functions that are like.. [06:58] foo(int fd, void *buf, int bufsize) [06:58] they call each other in sequence [06:58] if bufsize is < 0 then the last function needs to allocate the buf === Hobbsee ponders getting rid of feisty [06:58] how can i easily propagate back the new value of buf up in the chain? [06:59] clearly just doing a buf=malloc(buf); is not enough [07:01] fabbione, i've run into that but workaround it by making the thing global [07:01] global is not a solution === xhaker knows [07:01] i'd like to know a solution to this thingie too :D [07:02] no really, you can't make this stuff global at all [07:02] or the application will boom [07:02] i mean.. there is a way for me to do it but i don't really like it [07:02] i didn't too, but it was a college CG work.. they don't care [07:03] well, i remember messing with realloc() === xhaker always ended up with new memory space instead [07:11] oh darn, pygi isnt here. === Hobbsee has a quote for him. === Hobbsee dies at #ubuntu+1 [07:14] does anyone know if writing a double precision float on an x86 is atomic? === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=Yasumoto@adsl-69-234-233-84.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.61.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === knecke [n=lkneschk@88.134.101.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] Hobbsee: please don't die [08:08] LaserJock: awww, why not? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@108.76-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] fabbione: Can you change the function's prototype? [08:19] Goodmorning to all, by the way. [08:21] fabbione: ..or are they part of a public API or something? === mikmorg__ [n=mikmorg@rrcs-24-153-192-208.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] fabbione: if you can change the prototype, making it void **buf and int *bufsize would do [08:23] yes i can change them [08:23] fabbione: Ok, what lifeless said then. :) [08:23] thanks guys [08:24] np, dude. === william [n=william@c58-107-52-79.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-52-79.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] there.. working finally [08:47] \o/ === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-52-79.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu_ [n=fujitsu@202.61.173.33] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-219-178.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks looks around for a new network-manager-gnome package, but sees none === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A676E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A676E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@108.76-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kubrick.freenode.net === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.106.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A6578C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] Good morning [09:31] hey pitti [09:32] morning pitti [09:32] Good morning, pitti. === pitti hugs geser, fabbione, and shawarma === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-d44.84-47-18.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] morning pitti [09:33] ! === Hobbsee hugs pitti === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === munckfish [n=munckfis@82-41-13-152.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] Hobbsee: *big hug* [09:36] :D === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:38] mvo_: hmm, why doesn't upgrade-manager support sth. like 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for gutsy? [09:38] mvo_: it currently tells me that it cannot install all updates, and when I click on 'system upgrade' it crashes [09:38] pitti: network-manager-gnome is broken anyway [09:38] Treenaks: *upgrade*, not network :) === mvo [n=egon@p54A67505.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] pitti: I know, but that's the thing upgrade-manager is breaking on, I think [09:39] pitti: you need the network for upgrading... [09:39] hi mvo [09:39] it is for me [09:39] hey pitti [09:39] a normal 'apt-get dist-upgrade' works just fine [09:39] mvo: hmm, why doesn't upgrade-manager support sth. like 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for gutsy? [09:39] pitti: but deinstalls network-manager-gnome :) [09:39] mvo: it currently tells me that it cannot install all updates, and when I click on 'system upgrade' it crashes [09:39] Treenaks: sure [09:40] pitti: that was a bug, crash should be fixed with the new upload from yesterday [09:40] ah, cool === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gizmo [n=gizmo@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-57-172.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] zakame: did you already find out about the xmms2 FTBFS on amd64? [10:13] pitti: yes, it on the debian BTS, upstream's still figuring it out [10:13] zakame: ah, good [10:14] http://bugs.debian.org/426382 [10:15] oh, there's a new version now, will check that [10:15] zakame: oh, fixed now [10:16] yeah [10:16] zakame: ah, usual lack of -fPIC :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73769.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] zakame: I'll reject the current binaries now, to avoid inconsistencies [10:16] ok, will remerge [10:16] zakame: (from the binary NEW queue) [10:16] zakame: thanks [10:16] pitti: thanks for the heads-up :D [10:17] good morning [10:17] good day dholbach :) [10:18] hey zakame === doko [i=doko@conference/debconf/x-c945290840e12c21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] heya zakame, small world :-) === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] bryce!!! yeah it is :D === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yosch [i=yosch@conference/debconf/x-d3d852b773675c10] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] why does ekiga insist on running the setup wizard every so often? [10:48] because it's broken? [10:49] evening Mithrandir === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] hi [10:52] pitti: ping ? [10:52] hi Tonio_ === StevenK waves to pitti [10:53] pitti: hi ;) [10:53] hey StevenK [10:53] pitti: I noticed knetworkmanager ftbfs for ia64, I know the reason but I don't have the clue for this, I may require some help to get it to work [10:54] pitti: Can you re-run your cruft checker? It should have most of the libsnmp9 ones sorted out. === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] StevenK: sure, doing now [10:55] pitti: to make it simple, there is a problem with libnl on ubuntu concerning the typedefs. === XAngelusX [n=angelus@84.76.232.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] pitti: I also saw a build state I haven't seen before for heartbeat. " gutsy amd64 Failed to upload" [10:56] hi to everyone [10:56] StevenK: oh, that again *sigh* [10:56] StevenK: I'll have a look [10:56] pitti: the solution is to include the linux types.h in the code, which results a second error, missing types __64 [10:56] Tonio_: just a second [10:57] sure :) [10:58] pitti: I have another issue, but I'll wait until you're ready. === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] pitti: MIR reports for compcomm-plugins-main and compiz-bcop ready [11:04] StevenK: heartbeat amd64 poked, it's accepted now [11:04] pitti: Thanks! [11:05] pitti: My other issue was I upload cpqarray, but I didn't get a mail about it, and it didn't turn up in the accepted queue. [11:05] StevenK: great, you cleaned libsnmp9 for main; now it's only two handful of universe === StevenK cracks his knuckles. [11:05] http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/cruft/ updates [11:05] updated [11:06] I only spent 2 hours at $WORK doing ten uploads. Sssshh! :-P [11:07] Most of the remaining will be cleaned up when the binaries for all the uploads I did publish. [11:07] cpqarrayd and wmnd-snmp look to be the odd ones out. [11:07] 06:20:58 DEBUG Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a release in the 'CURRENT' state. [11:07] Oh crap. [11:07] You uploaded to 'feisty' :) [11:08] It's because I'm a bozo, isn't it. [11:08] Yes... [11:08] I cannot find wmnd-snmp; is it a typo? [11:08] I haven't uploaded that one, it appears in your list. [11:08] ah, I see [11:09] pitti: Oh yes, all but one of the updates actually makes use of libsnmp9. [11:10] ah, so no --as-needed magic [11:10] Right. [11:10] Tonio_: ok, back to you [11:11] pitti: oki ;) [11:11] pitti: Thanks for your help. [11:11] btw, any idea why network-manager-gnome is uninstallable ATM? === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] StevenK: you're welcome; thanks for your's :) [11:11] pitti: so here is the hack to make knetworkmanager to build : [11:11] pitti: :-) [11:11] pitti: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/104 [11:11] pitti: I know that really ugly, but there is no other solution, except that cause, logically, a ftbfs on ia64 [11:12] pitti: wanted to know if you had another option in mind in fact... [11:12] Tonio_: TBH, I think that's the wrong way to solve this [11:12] pitti: of course it is :) but how to do better ? [11:12] Tonio_: the point is, userspace should not use the __foo types, they are defined in the kernel and should only be used there [11:13] Tonio_: the official way for userspace is to use uint64_t, int32_t etc. [11:13] pitti: so the solution is to fix the libnl, right ? [11:13] Tonio_: I guess so; a big s/__uint64/uint64_t/g, and sending it to upstream [11:14] erm, u_unt64_t [11:14] erk [11:14] u_int64_t [11:14] Tonio_: it's in sys/types.h [11:14] Oh, grah. kolab-cyrus-imapd failed to build due to ghostscript SEGVing on ia64. [11:16] Tonio_: there were similar things in hal, and it caused trouble; I sent a similar and huge patch upstream, and they took it [11:16] Tonio_: (maybe better to send them a set of sed commands than a 300 kB patch :) ) [11:16] pitti: that's a kernel patch right ? [11:16] oups sorry I missunderstood you [11:16] Tonio_: what, what, kernel patch? [11:16] pitti: so we have to sed the libnl code [11:17] pitti: yeah sorry I missunderstood the " Tonio_: it's in sys/types.h" ;) [11:17] pitti: I'm not a coder, so.... [11:17] pitti: okay so I'll let the workarround for the moment, and try to get the libnl fixed [11:18] pitti: thanks for the teaching :) === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] Tonio_: just /usr/include/sys/types.h, should be a standard C header [11:18] Tonio_: you're welcome === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] Tonio_: ok, standard POSIX, not standard C, but you get the idea === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-ce3f5623cc5b505c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] pitti: yup, got it [11:20] Tonio_: you are sure that the workaround works? and why not just fix it properly right from the start? [11:21] pitti: works as long as it builds :) === luisbg [n=d33p@93.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] pitti: the workarround works on several architectures, just fails on ia64 [11:21] Tonio_: heh, true :) [11:22] asac: oh, do you need more info from me for bug 121027? [11:22] Launchpad bug 121027 in gnash "gnash crashed with SIGSEGV in std::_Rb_tree, boost::intrusive_ptr, std::_Identity >, std::less >, std::allocator > >::erase()" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121027 [11:22] erk, what a topic; yay C++ templates === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] I also have a ftbfs for the pptp plugin, I don't understand the cause of this since it builds like a charm in a chroot or pbuilder chroot here... [11:23] pitti: no we have a tester from my team now :) [11:24] Tonio_: looking [11:24] pitti: looks like a problem with lb, but I can't figure out the difference between the buildd and my chroot... [11:24] Tonio_: ah, forgot to build something with -fPIC [11:25] Tonio_: you actually tested it in an amd64 chroot? === hjmf [n=hjmf@138.Red-83-45-117.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] pitti: no, just an i386 one, but it is a global ftbfs [11:26] pitti: hum right, the latest upload only fails on amd64, right ;) [11:26] Tonio_: hm? it only failed on amd64 [11:26] pitti: I missed that one, I was talking about n-1 upload === mdz [n=mdz@ip-81-1-103-136.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-0852275bdad96bc3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@83.105.21.69] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === luisbg [n=d33p@228.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-d13.84-47-49.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] why there is so few 32bits libraries on amd64 port? i can find only these: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=feisty&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=32-lib&searchon=names and http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=feisty&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=lib32&searchon=names [12:14] EliasAmaral: ia32-libs [12:15] ia32-libs contains /all/ libraries? [12:15] there are a huge number of libsomething on repos [12:15] EliasAmaral: only the most imoprtant ones to run popular apps === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d13.84-47-49.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] I was using amd64 edgy, but the lack of libraries (also, the lack of support for flash/etc) made me running a dchroot, but in the end it was a very poor idea and i am using i386 feisty now [12:17] er, the arts maintainer is? [12:18] EliasAmaral: we can put more stuff into ia32-libs if desired; right now it's working with e. g. vmware, skype, some games, etc. [12:18] i think amd64 should have a good support for running 32bits apps. i was expecting finding every lib compiled twice [12:18] hmmm [12:18] oh wait, found it [12:18] EliasAmaral: but that's hardly necessary? [12:19] EliasAmaral: the prime usage of ia32-libs is to run commercial apps which are only available for 32 bit [12:19] i don't know about necessary, but it sounds like 'the right thing' [12:19] EliasAmaral: but they usually have a relatively limited set of dependencies, to run on a decent variation of distros [12:19] hmmmmmm [12:19] EliasAmaral: if you need the entire range of i386 libs on amd64, then you are probably better off installing the i386 arch in the first place IMHO [12:20] what i though about a 64bits system was it would run any 32bits or 64bits app. so i could in theory install 32bits firefox from i386's .deb [12:21] EliasAmaral: right, but support for that isn't that perfect yet; you need different directories for the libraries, etc. === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn148.91-127-122.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] EliasAmaral: i. e. you cannot install the 32 and 64 bit variant of e. g. libgtk2.0 if they don't have different paths [12:22] pitti, do you know if it is included in any blueprint, or planned for any future release? i would see this as a nice technical advantage [12:22] pitti, hmmm, yes, 32bits packages installs only in /usr/lib .. [12:22] EliasAmaral: I don't, sorry; doko might know [12:23] EliasAmaral: it's planned for an undefined future release, but it's a hard problem. [12:23] wasn't multiarch kind of dropped because the goal is to get everyone running x86_64 and everything working on that arch? :-) [12:23] maybe moving i386 /usr/lib to /usr/lib32 and making /usr/lib a symlink to /usr/lib32 would be a good step [12:24] Nafallo: sssh.. That's the *secret* goal. :) [12:25] shawarma: I read it on ubuntu-devel@ ;-) [12:25] Nafallo: you read it on the intarweb so it must be true. [12:25] EliasAmaral: no, the good step would be to use lib64 for 64bit libs [12:25] Mithrandir: :-) [12:25] hi doko === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] doko, but if i actually wanted to install a i386 package in a amd64 box, the /usr/lib in amd64 system would be full of.. 32bits-only libs, what doesn't make much sense [12:27] EliasAmaral: sure, if you want to do that, you would have to do something like ia32-libs, ia32-libs-kde, ia32-libs-gtk [12:28] I thought we were moving i386 /usr/lib to /usr/lib/i484-linux-gnu [12:28] and amd64 /usr/lib to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu [12:29] i am trying to figure out if this is a joke or not [12:29] ubuntu isn't meant to be linux-specific? =D [12:30] EliasAmaral: well, some guys ported Debian to a BSD kernel, or to Hurd [12:30] it'd be pretty hard to truly port to non-Linux [12:30] doko, the problem is, each package depends upon specifics libraries, so if i want to install an arbitrary i386 package, i would have to install arbitrary i386 libs, too. and, from i386 repos [12:30] some of our core bits are Linux only [12:31] EliasAmaral: I suggest you read the papers in http://multiarch.alioth.debian.org/, they explain the problem and a possible solution. [12:31] reading:) [12:32] EliasAmaral: the only way that works now is the ia32-libs* approach. [12:32] gaah. opening Mithrandirs key with seahorse makes my computer nearly freeze :-P [12:33] : tfheen@thosu ~ > gpg --list-sigs 817a996a | wc -l [12:33] 1011 [12:33] :-P [12:33] Oh, dear. === ivoks [n=ivoks@7-93.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] I'm at 48. :) [12:33] 804 here [12:33] five UIDs though [12:34] hehe. I think seahorse fetches all of them for trusted keys ;-) [12:34] I should revoke one of them, since it no longer works. [12:34] yay for automation! :-) === aplg [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] there, revoked. === Keybuk only has 1 UID on each key now [12:45] gpg --list-sigs 44779E18 | wc -l [12:45] 1740 [12:45] tsk :P [12:46] Wow. [12:46] Mithrandir, liked that paper, "Packages would simply depend on the appropriate string for their architecture, so an i386 package can be installed on either system." is exactly what I think about being multi-arch. but this is from dapper's release time.. [12:47] yeah and it's ages that i don't go to a keysign party [12:48] dammit. message moderated, as i used the wrong email [12:49] although, i would have expected an @ubuntu.com address to automatically work - it's listed on LP [12:49] says i'm not subscribed to the list === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yosch [i=yosch@conference/debconf/x-8d74562b1a929141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] pitti: Last two packages for the libsnmp9 transition uploaded. [12:56] rock [12:56] yay snmp [12:56] pitti: Any other transition you want me to knock over? :-) === pochu [n=emilio@128.Red-83-59-171.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] StevenK: oh, there are plenty; the libcurl3 mess is awkward [12:57] pitti: I had plans to deal with ibatlas-cpp-0.6-0c2a, which is waiting on the Debian maintainer. [12:57] libatlas-cpp-0.6-0c2a, that is. [12:57] pitti: isn't Debian moving back from libcurl4 to libcurl3? [12:57] StevenK: oh, as long as it'll get fixed in Debian soon and we can just sync it, we don't need to worry about it so much [12:58] geser: erk? I don't know [12:58] pitti: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2007/06/msg00106.html [12:58] pitti: Yeah, the Debian maintainer of libatlas-cpp-0.6-1 is the maintainer of the 3 packages listed. [12:59] pitti: Yay... libcurl3 lists heartbeat as well. :-) [12:59] StevenK: hm, so let's find out what happens with curl in Debian and do one of the smaller ones [01:00] pitti: Aye, okay [01:00] StevenK: siretart already wanted to care about the ffmpeg stuff === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] StevenK: and gpocentek about the libgoffice, the rest is fair game AFAICS [01:00] pitti: I can deal with the 3 or so for libiw28, if you like. [01:00] StevenK: that would be nice [01:01] Although, preparing ten uploads at the same time was kind of cool. [01:01] StevenK: if you looking for a transition: libboost-*1.33.1 -> libboost-*1.34.0 [01:01] Which isn't listed by pitti's cruft. [01:01] oh! boost will make gnash installable? :-) [01:02] hm, I cannot find any 1.33 boost packages in the archive [01:02] pitti: Oh, and you were right, even though the packages Build-Depend on libsnmp9-dev, the buildds still deal and install libsnmp-dev. [01:03] StevenK: ah, indeed, apt-cache unmet depends on some 1.33 stuff [01:03] Ah, unmetdeps. [01:03] the debs are gone, but not the depends [01:03] lovely :-) [01:03] StevenK: right, because the package doesn't exist any more, but libsnmp-dev provides: it [01:04] pitti: Yeah, and I should have realised that before I changed openipmi ... === StevenK shrugs. If Debian changes it, we'll just sync it. === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] Ugh. boost has a lot. [01:07] Actually, I need to fix one more for libsnmp === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@203-214-0-41.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A64AA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] hi === yosch [i=yosch@conference/debconf/x-93509fec46499709] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A67EB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] Anyone here? === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] hey guys [01:45] regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeSoftwareDrivers [01:45] ho EtienneG [01:45] should the discussion also include peripheral (such as printers) ? [01:45] s/o/i/ [01:45] ho, hi, it's all fine Nafallo ! [01:45] :-) === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] specifically, I was thinking that HP should get a special mention for the work they do getting good support for their printers and MFP [01:46] ie, HPLIP [01:46] I would agree with that :-) [01:47] dunno who makes that decision though. [01:47] I'm just throwing the idea [01:47] +1 from me then ;-) === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-f6ff3e02c123cdc4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] You've been wanting ideas for a better recovery mode? === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.22.80.77.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] Viper550: probably on the mailing list? [01:59] Well, anyway, I'm going to embark on a mission that may make system building with Linux a bit less painful if your end-user messes everything up [02:01] cool. not my decision, but cool [02:01] Viper550: you might want to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FriendlyRecovery [02:03] seb128: Actually, that's repair tools for the OS. I'm talking about those recovery partitions all those fancy Windows computers come with nowadays, just press a key on bootup, click a few buttons, wait a half-hour, and whammo! Fresh reinstalled system as it was out of the box! === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-b542df57ced0e0b6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [i=guido-de@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === munckfish [i=munckfis@conference/debconf/x-2615befcee263a88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === various_t [n=various_@CPE-72-133-56-132.neb.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === aigarius [i=aigarius@conference/debconf/x-da7f4311a8884c22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] pitti: Got a tick? [02:35] StevenK: about to leave to lunch, but just leave your question, I'll read backscroll :) [02:35] pitti: Right. :-) [02:36] pitti: One of the packages listed as needing libsnmp love is lustre. Lustre is kernel module package that has been pulled from Debian, and it Build-Depends on 2.6.18, since the build system looks for a kernel at build time. I'm just wondering what we should do. [02:37] erk [02:37] StevenK: Why not update it to 2.6.22? [02:37] Because I'm not a fan of patching their code to work against 2.6.22 [02:37] shawarma: that's not something we should do, unless someone is actually interested in that apckage [02:37] And I'm so not. [02:37] StevenK: my recommendation so far: ignore it [02:38] pitti: Well.. [02:38] StevenK: What does it need it for? [02:38] StevenK: I can kill the libsnmp9 package and just leave this uninstallable [02:38] StevenK: Any idea t all? [02:38] damn. no bulletproofX for kubuntu. [02:38] pitti: Sounds fine to me. [02:38] shawarma: Hum? [02:39] pitti: I *think* that's everything for libsnmp9. [02:39] ooh. gnash IS installable :-) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] StevenK: What does it need the kernel source for? [02:40] StevenK: Ah.. "kernel module package". === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-7a9fb3320316659d] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] StevenK: I missed that :) [02:41] shawarma: :-) [02:42] shawarma: Consider taking a reading comphresion class? :-P [02:42] When will the new networkmanager finally be installable? [02:42] StevenK: :( [02:43] when pitti NEW'd nm-gnome? ;-) [02:43] Nafallo: when Tonio_ actually uploads it :) [02:43] hehe. oki :-) [02:44] oh, there it is [02:44] pitti: lunch? :-P [02:44] it's called -applet now [02:44] Nafallo: yeah, yeah, I promised my gf 15 minutes ago [02:44] so, LUNCH! [02:45] Hmmm... maybe ubuntu-desktop needs an update then to work with the new name? === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] :-) === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] pitti: it should be in the NEW queue since yesterday :) [02:50] pitti: didi as you said, naming the package -gnome [02:50] Tonio_: source -applet and binary -gnome? ;-) [02:51] Nafallo: yes [02:51] hehe. that might confuse a bit. I like it! :-) [02:51] Nafallo: just wait a bit for someone to review and accept the package in NEW [02:52] Tonio_: I would wait longer than that. I want to see how many bugreports it gets ;-) [02:52] Nafallo: lol [02:53] Nafallo: I don't use the gnome applet myself, but the new knetworkmanager works great [02:53] Nafallo: nm-applet shouldn't be that buggy [02:54] :-P [02:55] is the old applet broken? [02:55] seb128: when you tested, it worked with n-m 0.6.5 [02:55] right [02:55] that's why I'm asking if it's broken for other people === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] seb128: aptitude claims that network-manager-gnome depends ot network-manager = 0.6.4-6ubuntu7, so somebody must update the required version string... [02:58] Tonio_: [02:58] src/wso-leap.c: * (C) Copyright 2006 Thiago Jung Bauermann [02:58] src/menu-items.c: * (C) Copyright 1999, 2000 Eazel, Inc. [02:58] src/eggtrayicon.c: * Copyright (C) 2002 Anders Carlsson [02:59] src/wso-wpa-eap.c: * (C) Copyright 2006 Novell, Inc. [02:59] Tonio_: could you list those to debian/copyright? === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] Tonio_: eggtrayicon.c is under LGPL [03:00] could you also mention it to debian/copyright and make the package ship a COPYING.LIB with the LGPL text? [03:01] pitti: ^ I looked at nm-applet, don't accept it for now [03:01] seb128: okay, true that I didn't spend much time on the licencing part.... too boring :) [03:01] let's go [03:02] Tonio_: well, that's the most important part to get it accepted in the archive :p [03:02] seb128: hehe, I know, but I didn't have that much time to make all the packages in one day ;) === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-69-249-127-102.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] you had no pressure to upload [03:03] take the time you need ;) [03:03] seb128: the pressure I had is that I don't have internet at home :) [03:04]