[12:51] <cje> hi, I wanted to let the folks here know about a resource that I have helped create (along with other members of our community), which is a video repository of interviews with FOSS leaders and general leaders in politics, business and software development about how FOSS is going to change the world.
[12:52] <cje> The repository is on the Internet Archive:  http:archive/.org/details/digitaltippingpoint
[12:53] <cje> We have 300 hours of broadcast quality footage of interviews and good b-roll from Spain, Scotland, Germany, and Brazil
[12:53] <cje> And California USA, of course.
[10:01] <katkin> morning guys
[10:03] <katkin> morning again. . .
[10:16] <jenda> morning, katkin :)
[10:17] <katkin> hi jenda
[10:17] <katkin> how are things?
[10:18] <jenda> busy :)
[10:18] <jenda> Or, should be.
[10:18] <jenda> It's hard to bring myself to start working :D
[10:22] <katkin> I'm still trying to get my head around everything that is Ubuntu and Canonical . . . it's all making sense though, which is good
[10:22] <katkin> :)
[10:55] <jenda> katkin: feel free to ask in here - this is a very community-minded channel :)
[10:56] <jenda> yo, juliux
[10:56] <juliux> hi jenda 
[10:56] <juliux> jenda, can you pls give me your arriving time again
[10:56] <jenda> sure :)
[10:56] <katkin> jenda: thanks lots, everyone has been really helpful so far :D
[10:57] <katkin> morning jono!
[10:57] <jenda> juliux: we will arrive at... 3 AM or so on the 29th
[10:57] <juliux> 3 am ????
[10:57] <jenda> juliux: you don't have to worry about us until you feel like it ;)
[10:58] <juliux> 3 am is very very early in the morning right?
[10:58] <jenda> juliux: we'll wander around town till say, the afternoon, and then we can get together for the 'partp'
[10:58] <jenda> juliux: yep :D
[10:58] <juliux> jenda, why are you coming so soon
[10:58] <jenda> juliux: it was the only way to avoid having to stay the night.
[10:58] <juliux> ahhh
[10:58] <jenda> juliux: and it's the cheapest buses too, with the Student Agency
[10:58] <juliux> and when are you leaving?
[10:59] <jenda> 2 AM the next night :)
[10:59] <jono> hello katkin :)
[10:59] <juliux> jenda, puhhh
[10:59] <jono> katkin: content coming your way in the next 45 mins
[10:59] <jono> katkin: kind of fell asleep on the train yesterday :)
[10:59] <juliux> jenda, sounds good
[10:59] <jenda> juliux: I hope we don't get too drunk to catch the bus ;)
[10:59] <juliux> hehe
[11:00] <jenda> for some reason, all foreign visitors tend to get drunk in this country.
[11:00] <jenda> Must be something in the air.
[11:00] <katkin> jono: bless you, and thanks. I'm still waiting on a few other people too :)
[11:00] <jono> katkin: ahhh good, would hate to be holding you up
[11:02] <katkin> jono: no worries
[11:02] <jono> katkin: good meeting yesterday, great to meet up with you :)
[11:02] <juliux> jenda, we have the best beer;)
[11:02] <jenda> uh oh
[11:02] <jenda> flamewar coming :)
[11:02] <juliux> jenda, we will test it here;)
[11:02] <jenda> :)
[11:03] <jenda> I'll bring samples, as I promised.
[11:03] <jenda> I'll need a big backpack for the books anyway.
[11:03] <jenda> brb
[11:03] <katkin> jono: indeed, great to meet you too, it's really great to be involved with the community, I think I can learn heaps from you guys
[11:03] <jono> juliux: ok pal, whats the score with the ubucon?
[11:03] <jono> juliux: :)
[11:03] <juliux> jono, what do you mean with score?
[11:03] <jono> juliux: oops, english slang, "what is the current status"
[11:04] <jono> katkin: yeah should be fun, might be worth us scheduling reasonably regular calls - once a month or so
[11:04] <jono> I am scheduling regular calls with my target teams where I can
[11:04] <jono> mainly marketing, MOTU and a few others
[11:04] <juliux> jono, looks very good, we talked last week with a university in krefeld/germany and they can give us a lot of rooms but we have to pay for them
[11:04] <jono> juliux: right
[11:05] <jono> juliux: is it expensive?
[11:05] <juliux> jono, and we also have some rooms for free but we have some communication problems with them
[11:05] <jono> juliux: communication problems>
[11:05] <juliux> jono, we dont know it exactly, but we are sure that we will find money if we are searching for it;)
[11:06] <juliux> jono, they guys are not happy that we also went to the university and asked them
[11:06] <katkin> jono: yep I agree, maybe get a re-occurring call in the diary at the beginning of the month?
[11:06] <jono> heh
[11:06] <jono> damn
[11:06] <jono> I can't type today
[11:06] <jono> katkin: sounds great
[11:06] <juliux> jono, but they didnt response for a longer time so we searched for an other room
[11:06] <jono> katkin: which date is good for you?
[11:06] <juliux> jono, we have today our weekly ubucon-de meeting perhaps i know more after that
[11:07] <jono> juliux: excellent, keep me updated
[11:07] <juliux> jono, sure
[11:07] <jenda> jono: will canonical fund it?
[11:07] <jono> juliux: we also need to discuss an EUTeams team for LoCos - what we discussed at LinuxTag
[11:07] <jono> jenda: well...
[11:07] <jenda> (I didn't want you to be disappointed, and it seemed juliux wasn't about to ask ;))
[11:07] <katkin> jono: How about the first Monday of every month, the first meeting being Mon 2nd July?
[11:07] <jono> katkin: sounds great
[11:08] <juliux> jono, right
[11:08] <jono> katkin: 3pm?
[11:08] <katkin> jono: sounds good. I'll put it in my diary now. Do you have a google diary?
[11:08] <jenda> katkin: who are you? :)
[11:08] <juliux> jenda,PriceChild> <Belutz> QUESTION: if a loco are creating a nation wide event, is it
[11:08] <juliux>  possible that we ask canonical for sponsor (aside from conference kits)?
 ask of course! we haven't sponsored anything like that before, but it i
[11:08] <juliux> s possible
 so feel free to make a case for it
[11:08] <juliux> jenda, from the last ask mark session;)
[11:08] <jenda> juliux: :D
[11:08] <jenda> cool
[11:09] <jono> katkin: yep google diary, just added it :)
[11:09] <katkin> jenda: I'm a new Marketing Manager. I'm working with Gerry, I started on 12th June
[11:09] <jenda> katkin: ah, cool! :)
[11:09] <jenda> katkin: welcome, then :)
[11:09] <jono> juliux: jenda: we do consider funding, send me a detailed proposal
[11:09] <katkin> jenda: thanks :)
[11:09] <juliux> jono, we will if we think we need it
[11:10] <katkin> jenda: where are you based?
[11:10] <jenda> katkin: I'm "one of the marketing team guys" ;)
[11:10] <jono> juliux: good man
[11:10] <jenda> katkin: and i'm in Prague, Czech republic
[11:10] <juliux> jono, we want to try to do it with local sponsors, in the next week we will write an e-mail to all ubuntu partners in germany
[11:10] <jono> juliux: I would always recommend local sponsorship, and canonical funding is rare to be honest
[11:10] <jono> as a rule we do not sponsor loco events, not enough money
[11:11] <juliux> jono, i think canonicals sponsoring should be to send the local employess for a talk;)
[11:12] <jono> juliux: would be interesting
[11:12] <jenda> jono: speaking of which... (please don't kill me for the question) will there be a way to humbly beg for sponsorship for the next UDS? For Sevilla, the wiki just kept saying 'more info soon' until the info came as 'no more sponsorships'
[11:12] <jono> jenda: we internally pick sponsorships now
[11:12] <jenda> jono: ok
[11:12] <jono> jenda: so, keep up the good work, and you might get in :)
[11:12] <katkin> jenda: indeed, I'm "one of the marketing team guys" :D. I do love Prague, it's a very beautiful city.
[11:12] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:13] <jono> jenda: also, the last time, I never had anything to do with the sponsorships
[11:13] <juliux> jono, tsts that is not realy the open ubuntu way;)
[11:13] <jenda> katkin: :)
[11:13] <juliux> hi gerry 
[11:13] <jono> juliux: it is when its canonical money :P
[11:13] <jenda> jono: I wasn't blaming you
[11:13] <juliux> jono, i know
[11:13] <jono> jenda: I know, its cool :)
[11:13] <jenda> juliux: now we're outnumbered
[11:13] <juliux> jenda, lol
[11:13] <jenda> :)
[11:13] <jono> I think katkin and I should beat both of you up - Canonical power!
[11:14] <jono> :P
[11:14] <jenda> :)
[11:14] <jono> jenda: heh
[11:14] <juliux> hm we need more community people now 
[11:14] <jenda> oh well, kitchen calls, I'll brb.
[11:14] <jono> I have to run
[11:14] <jono> later chaps
[11:15] <juliux> jenda, lets write a community controlled bot;)
[11:15] <juliux> jono, if you read something about the german ubucon on the planet you can be sure that we have fixed the major problems
[11:16] <jono> juliux: right
[11:17] <jenda> juliux: BTW, we are establishing the Czech LoCo as a legal entity soon.
[11:17] <juliux> jenda, cool
[11:17] <jenda> juliux: it will make it possible to have a formal budget and all that jazz ;)
[11:17] <juliux> jenda, i know
[11:17] <jenda> Unfortunately, I'm the only donator so far :D
[11:17] <jenda> *donor?
[11:18] <juliux> jenda, during the time there will be more
[11:18] <jenda> (I would use the word sponsor, but as I learnt about a week ago, you are only legally a sponsor if you are getting advertisements in return :))
[11:19] <jenda> bah, I gotta get back to work. If all goes well, I could even afford the UDS myself ;)
[11:19] <juliux> jenda, good luck
[11:19] <jenda> :)
[11:29] <jenda> juliux: crap
[11:29] <jenda> juliux: the bus is full :(
[11:30] <jenda> I'll have to keep prodding them if any reservations were cancelled... and then just chance waiting at the bus stop and hope someone doesn't turn up  :D
[11:30] <juliux> oh no
[11:32] <jenda> Well, we'll just have to hope.
[11:33] <jenda> Worst case scenario: either I or beuno stay in Prague - if I stay, he'll have to carry my books back :D
[11:33] <jenda> In fact, that's what we'll do. I'll stay, and then try to hitchhike :)
[11:33] <jenda> shouldn't be too hard.
[11:57] <Mike_F> jenda, thanks for sending the flyers
[11:57] <jenda> Mike_F: no problem - did you say 'what was left of them' earlier?
[11:57] <Mike_F> yes
[11:58] <Mike_F> i guess someone or something didn't like them
[11:58] <jenda> damn
[11:59] <Mike_F> yeah, what i got was pretty funny though
[11:59] <jenda> What did they do to them?
[11:59] <Mike_F> i bright red Honda Owners Manual and what looks like someone trying to claim one of the email scam prizes
[12:00] <Mike_F> The Scammers must of got the Ubuntu Flyers
[12:00] <Mike_F> It looked like the envelope got chewed up in a sorting machince some where on the US side
[12:01] <jenda> juliux: you know, the 21st century is amazing - hitchhiking is now done over the internet, too :)
[12:01] <jenda> Mike_F: what?
[12:01] <jenda> Mike_F: I don't understand :D
[12:01] <jenda> Sounds funky enough.
[12:02] <Mike_F> That's what I got in one of the envelopes that the postal service sends you when they find a damaged letter
[12:02] <jenda> ah
[12:02] <Mike_F> They also say they are sorry
[12:02] <jenda> :D
[12:02] <jenda> bastards
[12:02] <jenda> and they get paid for that...
[12:04] <Mike_F> Well someone get the Flyers in a way we did spread the word about Ubuntu
[12:04] <elkbuntu> Mike_F, they also say sorry when some twit posts you a SASE that is open and empty because the adhesive strip has never even been exposed
[12:05] <jenda> Mike_F: :)
[12:06] <Mike_F> I once got a letter addressed to someone's landlord in New York City with their rent check in it.
[12:07] <Mike_F> No bad since that's about 1200 miles from here
[12:07] <Mike_F> I sent it in for them
[12:10] <Mike_F> Now, Does anyone know how I could get some flyers ?
[12:10] <elkbuntu> Mike_F, with a note to the tune of 'the postal service are a bunch of untrained monkeys. it is a miracle there is not poop smeared on this envelope'
[12:10] <jenda> Mike_F: I got the price for the 800 from my printer guy
[12:10] <jenda> I could try finding it :D
[12:11] <jenda> Mike_F: it looks like $200 for 200
[12:12] <jenda> Which is more than I expected :(
[12:12] <jenda> erm
[12:12] <jenda> $200 for 800
[12:12] <Mike_F> That's about what they would cost here
[12:13] <jenda> ok
[12:13] <jenda> you'd probably have to add about $20 for shipping
[12:14] <Mike_F> I think we need to make something with spot color so it can be printer on a color laser without using $300 worth of toner
[12:15] <Mike_F> Our Loco here in Florida is starting to get the artistic people together on that
[12:15] <jenda> cool
[12:15] <Mike_F> I am not one of those, I just get out to a lot of business networking
[12:15] <Mike_F> So I can get thing out to the people
[12:16] <jenda> Mike_F: how much would the fliers cost you there? If I know, I could try convincing the guy to go down with the price.
[12:17] <Mike_F> The big problem is something like that fyler needs to be printed 100,000+ on an offset press to get them down to a few pennies a copy
[12:17] <jenda> yep
[12:17] <Mike_F> Which is what Canonical obviously had done
[12:18] <jenda> that's why the 800 cost as much as it would.
[12:18] <jenda> AND it costs almost the same as 1600
[12:18] <Mike_F> So give that they just aren't cost effictive to print short run
[12:18] <Mike_F> Exactly
[12:18] <jenda> The problem is, not many people are willing to fund fliers for their loco.
[12:18] <juliux> Mike_F, in germany 10.000 flyer cost only 400
[12:19] <jenda> juliux: I'm sure it would cost less with this guy.
[12:19] <juliux> jenda, the cost depends on the kind of flyers, if you only make a din a4 sheet it is less money;)
[12:20] <Mike_F> The red background is the killer on the laser printer
[12:20] <jenda> juliux: I was asking for those made by canonical
[12:20] <Mike_F> Process Red in laser would burn both magenta and yellow toner
[12:20] <jenda> Mike_F: which reminds me, I stole one from the pack I sent you and sent it to the printer guy...
[12:20] <juliux> jenda, ok, we payed 460 for 10.000
[12:20] <jenda> Mike_F: not that it matters now :D
[12:20] <juliux> jenda, and thas is a good price in germany
[12:21] <jenda> juliux: that is a good price
[12:21] <jenda> juliux: what did they look like?
[12:21] <jenda> (double-sided, folded?)
[12:21] <juliux> jenda, they are the same as the canonical ubuntu ones
[12:21] <jenda> cool
[12:21] <juliux> jenda, but they are in german;)
[12:21] <jenda> that's a very good price, then.
[12:21] <jenda> of course
[12:22] <juliux> jenda, now they are only 412 
[12:22] <juliux> jenda, the price falls every half year
[12:22] <jenda> really? cool :)
[12:24] <Mike_F> More Euros for less US Dollars, sounds good to me :-)
[12:26] <myriam_rs> if only this was true regardind CHF :-(
[12:26] <myriam_rs> Euro has gone really high for us now here in Switzerland :-(
[12:27] <jenda> Mike_F: actually, if there was a deflation in euroland, it would mean the euro is more expensive ;)
[12:27] <jenda> (compare with inflation - when money loses its value)
[12:28] <myriam_rs> I get less Euro for my money now, but US Dollar is the same since months
[12:29] <jenda> the US dollar has been falling compared to the CZK and the euro for some time now.
[12:29] <jenda> (and for me, an exporter, it's a bad thing ;))
[12:30] <Vorian> exporter eh?
[12:46] <jenda> :)
[12:46] <jenda> in essence, yep
[12:46] <jenda> the only thing I import is tsmithe's proofreading.
[12:59] <Mike_F> jenda, I always get confused about those things
[01:00] <Mike_F> I got to get over to Orlando, one more thing
[01:01] <Mike_F> If our Loco makes our own Ubuntu Flyers would the marketing team like copies
[01:07] <jenda> Mike_F: I think you would find other english-speaking locos interested in tem.
[01:07] <jenda> *them
[01:08] <Mike_F> Good Idea, 
[01:08] <jenda> Mike_F: the US LoCos would be a good place to start :)
[01:10] <Mike_F> Thanks I got to sign off
[01:10] <Mike_F> bye
[01:14] <Vorian> US loco's?
[01:14] <Vorian> They have LoCo teams in the US?
[01:17] <juliux> hi Vorian 
[01:17] <Vorian> hey juliux :)
[01:17] <juliux> Vorian, did you revice the shirts?
[01:17] <Vorian> not yet....
[01:18] <Vorian> juliux, how long do packages normally take?
[01:18] <juliux> Vorian, they said 5 days, but they also said 5 days to denmark and there it was after 1 day;)
[01:18] <Vorian> wow
[01:19] <Vorian> juliux, I'll let you know when I get them
[01:19] <Vorian> You can keep a log
[01:19] <Vorian> :)
[01:22] <juliux> thxs Vorian 
[01:22] <Vorian> :)
[01:22] <Vorian> no problem 
[05:35] <katkin_> so, i became a member of launchpad today, very exciting :)
[06:00] <elkbuntu> :)
[06:00] <elkbuntu> I'm glad you're enjoying your new job, katkin_ 
[06:01] <katkin_> elkbuntu: thanks :) it's great to be able to see what everyone looks like on launchpad
[06:02] <elkbuntu> https://launchpad.net/~melissa is me :)
[06:04] <katkin_> elkbuntu: cool, you're in oz!
[06:04] <elkbuntu> katkin_, indeed i am
[06:06] <elkbuntu> oz has ticked into 2am already too, so i should go snuggle into bed
[06:07] <katkin_> elkbuntu: no worries. Sweet dreams
[06:07] <elkbuntu> katkin_, same to you, for when it is your turn 
[06:08] <katkin_> :)
[06:12] <elkbuntu> katkin_, before i go, i'm going to point you to #ubuntu-women ... it's a project to encourage women to use Ubuntu and other open source software. It'd be wonderful to have a canonical woman in there :)
[06:12] <katkin_> elkbuntu: absolutely, I'd love to get involved x
[06:40] <juliux> gerry katkin i need your help;) i get a phone call from a german company who is in contact with malcolm but he doesn t response any phonecalls, is there somebody else they can phone?
[06:42] <katkin> juliux: hi, can I ask what the company are asking about? So I can be sure to recommend the right person.
[07:05] <jenda> katkin: welcome to the LP marketing team :)
[07:05] <jenda> You are member #245
[07:05] <jenda> (estimate :D)
[07:07] <juliux> katkin, as i understand it right they have a product for the commercial archive
[07:07] <katkin> jenda: hi!
[07:08] <katkin> juliux: I'm not quite sure what you mean? Still getting to grips with things. . . .
[07:09] <juliux> katkin, somebody from the partner prorgamm is need i think
[07:09] <juliux> katkin, they are developing a groupwaresoftware and i think they have a contract with canonical that this groupware should go one day into the commercial repository
[07:09] <katkin> juliux: i see
[07:19] <gerry> hello 
[07:19] <gerry> i thiink they need to go through malcolm juliux
[07:19] <juliux> gerry, nobody else?
[07:20] <gerry> what's the name of the company and we'll flag it with malcolm
[07:20] <gerry> malcolm rides alone
[07:20] <juliux> gerry, globolog
[07:20] <gerry> but he has some admin help now 
[07:20] <gerry> so might get a bit easier
[07:20] <gerry> he's getting old juliux
[07:20] <gerry> slowing down
[07:20] <juliux> gerry, no to old for jokes;)
[07:21] <gerry> i hope not
[07:21] <gerry> thanks for flagging it up 
[07:21] <juliux> and not too old for bashing microsoft and suse;)
[07:21] <gerry> i'll let you know what happens
[07:21] <gerry> anyone here from the philippines? 
[07:22] <gerry> anyone? 
[07:22] <jenda> jsgotangco
[07:24] <gerry> really? 
[07:24] <jenda> yes
[07:25] <jenda> At least, as far as I know :)
[07:25] <gerry> that's fantastic
[07:25] <gerry> i have a terrific case study for him
[07:25] <gerry> or her
[07:26] <gerry> is he or she online much? 
[07:26] <jenda> yep, checked
[07:26] <jenda> gerry: Jerome S Gotangco
[07:26] <jenda> Him.
[07:26] <jenda> and yep, he's online often, but not here.
[07:27] <jenda> gerry: he's on the community council, you should know him ;)
[07:28] <gerry> of course.i hope he got my fruit basket
[07:28] <jenda> :D
[07:45] <myriam_rs> hi gerry :-)
[08:07] <jenda> gerry: updated
[08:07] <jenda> gerry: is early registration still up?
[08:13] <gerry> early reg gone 
[08:14] <gerry> hi myriam
[08:14] <gerry> i hear you've a new member on the women list
[09:06] <myriam_rs> well, not so new, I'm here since June last year :-)
[09:08] <myriam_rs> suppose you mean Katkin :-)