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ScottKJust for the record I didn't adovcate infinito's package because I've never dealt with a Python package that didn't use distutils before.  If you're using distutils I'm pretty comfortable with Python packaging.12:15
pochuHey ScottK12:18
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ScottKHeya pochu12:22
ScottKjrib: A couple of quick comments (looking at the diff it looks pretty good, but I don't have time to actually build it right now).12:24
ScottKChange the last line of the description in debian/control to   [that's two leading spaces]  Hompage: URL.12:25
ScottKLook at the Debian Maintainer rules.  Gotta run.12:25
jribScottK: thanks12:26
ScottKjrib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField12:27
jribi'll take a look12:28
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ToHellWithGAhey yall.  i see the "sudoku" package is maintained by the motu team.  it does not redraw itself when a terminal's dimensions are changed.  should i file that as a bug or contact the author, michael kennett?12:51
lionelHi ToHellWithGA12:52
lionelit's always a good idea to fill a bug12:53
ToHellWithGAmkay.  thanks lionel 12:53
sladenToHellWithGA: file a bug, *and* contact the upstream author12:56
gnomefreakcrimsun: i know about a week ago the new flashplugin-nonfree was broken (i never found out what was) 01:00
gnomefreakcrimsun: do we know if its still broken?01:00
crimsungnomefreak: if you mean upstream's beta 3 (9.0.60.120), then yes, it was and still is utterly broken - a 100% regression.01:01
gnomefreakcrimsun: ty 01:01
crimsunsorry, I should have phrased that as "update 3 - beta"01:01
gnomefreakeh 01:02
crimsun(since that's how upstream phrases it)01:02
gnomefreaktrue but to me it can be update 25 broken is still broken ;)01:02
crimsunyes, people love frothing at the mouth over flash 9 updates01:03
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crimsunproject redfish, heh.01:06
crimsunmay as well just call it the Dell project.01:06
nixternalmmm gnash > flash :)01:09
gnomefreaknixternal: sometimes. theres some applets gnash wont play01:10
gnomefreakatleast i found out today01:10
nixternalit plays youtube, good enough for me :)01:10
gnomefreaklol01:10
nixternaljust so I can watch people make idiots out of themselves..that way there I don't feel bad when I do01:11
=== gnomefreak has a feeling there other content on that site anyway
nixternalI like the technology/make it yourself type videos..they have some cool stuff on there01:11
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etankdoes anyone know if python-wmi will make it into the ubuntu universe anytime?02:12
etankhttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-wmi   <--- link02:12
pochuetank: python-wmi | 20070517-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages02:13
pochuSo it's already in Universe.02:13
etanksweet02:14
etanknot for feisty then though huh02:14
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crimsunpython-wmi | 20070517-2 | gutsy/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc02:14
crimsunno, not for 7.04.02:15
crimsunrequest a backport if you're frothing at the mouth.02:15
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etankcrimsun: how do you go about requesting a backport02:17
pochu!backports02:17
ubotuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging02:17
pochuetank: file a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+filebug02:18
pochu(for feisty)02:18
etankor better yet i may try to make one myself just for practive :)02:18
etank*practice02:18
etanki want to learn how to do this stuff anyway02:18
pochuYou can include it in the backports repo, then.02:18
pochuSo you learn, and contribute :)02:19
etankthat would be the awesome02:19
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pochuNight folks02:20
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etankis the prevu app the recommended way to create a backport?02:36
Amaranthyes02:39
etankcool02:39
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dmbmehhh04:44
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somerville32I can't generate enough entropy to generate a new key :/06:30
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somerville32Hobbsee: Come help me generate more entropy :P06:33
Hobbseeheya06:34
Hobbseesomerville32: oh?  how?06:34
somerville32lol06:36
somerville32You could just send me some.06:36
somerville32I can't seem to generate enough to create a new key06:36
somerville32Is it possible to import a key from the keyserver?06:37
Hobbseea public key, sure06:37
TheMusoPublic key, yes.06:37
somerville32And I suppose I can't use my public key to authenticate with bzr?06:38
elkbuntuwell no, that wouldnt be logical now, would it06:40
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somerville32I can't generate enough entropy.06:47
StevenKsomerville32: Run bonnie++ in another terminal.06:47
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jmgsomerville32: are you shelled into the machine generating the keys remotely?07:02
Amaranththe mouse is a great source of entropy07:21
Amaranthmove it around randomly07:21
Amaranthoh, he left07:21
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cbx33ping imbrandon 07:46
Hobbseecbx33: his machine's down, he doesnt seem to be here07:49
Hobbseeat least, aurora is07:49
cbx33oh man07:49
Hobbseeyes.  not so good.07:49
cbx33thanks Hobbsee 07:49
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cbx33been trying to get hold of him for about a week now07:49
cbx33:(07:49
cbx33how are you anyways?07:49
Hobbseeexams, work, ubuntu stuff.  having fun :)07:50
cbx33hehe good good07:50
cbx33what exams?07:50
Hobbseedone physics, got maths and electronics to go07:51
Hobbsee(uni exams, whihc is why i wont be in boston)07:51
cbx33awesome07:51
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dmbany of you familiar with the gpg thing in launchpad?07:51
cbx33I wish I could go back07:51
dmbi do gpg --send-key07:51
cbx33loved learning new stuff all the live long day07:51
dmbbut it nrbrt drnfd07:51
dmbbut it never sends*07:52
Hobbseecbx33: i would, but ubuntu is more interesting than it07:52
Hobbseedmb: did you specify the key ID at the end?07:52
cbx33heheh07:52
dmbHobbsee: how do you get the key id?07:52
dmbHobbsee: is that just the email address?07:52
cbx33Hobbsee, hmm......it'd be a toss up - I did Acoustical Engineering - we did tonnes of varied stuff07:52
Hobbseedmb: you've created your key, right?07:53
dmbHobbsee: yes07:53
cbx33gpg --list-keys07:53
Hobbseedmb: then use gpg --list-keys07:53
Hobbseeand pick the keyID of yours07:53
dmbHthere is no keyID column07:54
dmbtheres pub, uid and sub07:54
cbx33second column07:54
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ gpg --list-keys sarah hobbs07:54
Hobbseepub   1024D/7D2BCE85 2006-08-1607:54
Hobbseeuid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@kubuntu.org>07:54
Hobbseeuid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@nospammail.net>07:54
Hobbseeuid                  Sarah Hobbs (nick: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@ubuntu.com>07:54
Hobbseeuid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@mailbolt.com>07:54
cbx337D2BCE8507:54
Hobbseemeans that 7D2BCE85 is the keyID07:54
dmboh07:54
dmbill try that07:54
jmgLongPointyStick?07:54
Hobbseejmg: yes.  The DOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!  variety07:55
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cbx33jmg tell me when it's safe to come out again07:55
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Hobbseeit's not safe.  it's never safe.07:55
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cbx33NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO07:56
cbx33ooooooooooooooooooooooooo07:56
cbx33o07:56
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jmgthat sounds like something that should be on everything207:56
Hobbseehehe07:56
cbx33right y'all off for breakfast07:56
Hobbseehave fun07:56
cbx33oh before I go07:56
cbx33actually ya know what07:57
cbx33nevermind07:57
cbx33I'll figure it out later on07:57
crimsunI tell ya, these MOTU making a mess of others' insides...07:57
cbx33hey hey crimsun 07:57
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cbx33there's a song too07:57
dmbHobbsee: its weird, because its sent to the ubuntu keyserver, i can query it, but it still says Launchpad could not import your OpenPGP key.07:57
cbx33do I have to do a dance?07:57
cbx33hehe07:57
cbx33bbl07:57
dmbHobbsee: hold on, now it works07:58
dmbguess it was just a delayh07:58
Hobbsee:)07:58
Hobbseeit takes a little bit for it all to propogate07:58
dmbyup :)07:58
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dmbcan someone resync  the REVU's uploaders keyring?08:04
crimsundmb: running.08:05
dmbthanks :D08:05
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crimsundmb: finished.08:19
dmbok, thanks08:19
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dmbif we are making a package, in the changelog file, what do we put, the next ubuntu release name?08:23
Hobbseeyes - ie gutsy08:23
dmbok, thanks again :)08:24
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zakamegutsy mcninja08:38
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Hobbseehiya Fujitsu 08:39
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.08:39
FujitsuHi zakame.08:39
Hobbseebut segfaulting is fun.08:40
FujitsuI had to configure wpa_supplicant manually :(08:40
Hobbseewhy didnt you use  knetworkmanager?08:40
FujitsuI haven't done that in well over a year.08:40
FujitsuI considered installing that to see if it worked, but decided that finding an Ethernet cable would be a little annoying.08:41
Hobbseeah, point08:41
zakameheya Fujitsu :D08:41
FujitsuIt seems to be some gnome-keyring thing, as Gajim had issues when trying to get the password.08:41
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bmmAny MOTU: ccbuild is looking for it's second advocate or new things to work on. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=557210:16
dholbachgood morning10:17
gesermorning dholbach10:17
dholbachheya geser - how are you doing?10:18
gesergood10:18
bryceheya dholbach :-)10:19
dholbachhey bryce!10:19
dholbachhow's it going?10:19
brycegoing good10:19
coNPAny MOTU: my openbox update package wants to be reviewed: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5589 (obconf also supplied: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5569)10:19
dholbachgreat10:19
brycedholbach: today I figured out how to do packaging of linux-restricted-modules, and successfully built my first one :-)10:20
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dholbachbryce: rock on :-)10:20
bryce(with new fglrx)10:20
dholbachhey doko10:20
coNPwow10:20
dholbachNICE :-)10:20
dokogood morning10:20
dholbachdoko: good morning10:21
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Hobbseehiya bryce 10:23
bryceheya Hobbsee10:24
Hobbseebryce: damn X.  still hasnt crashed.10:24
brycehehe10:24
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bryceHobbsee: my gut says your bug is going to be something new, not what we had before10:25
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brycebut of course, it has to crash before we can be sure.  ;-)10:25
Hobbseebryce: could well be.10:26
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XAngelusXhi to everyone10:57
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RAOFI11:07
shawarmaRAOF: you11:07
RAOFshawarma: Hello.  Yes?11:07
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Qballhe he11:08
shawarma:-p11:08
RAOFI've just realised that the new debian kvm-28 package is not going to appear on MoM or DaD, since our kvm package has an epoch.11:08
RAOFCan that be done manually, or am I going to have to work out how to do what they do manually?11:08
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RAOFIn other words, will I have to manually do what MoM or DaD do automatically, or can I get *them* to manually do their funky stuff?11:09
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=== coNP wonders what MoM / DaD can be...
RAOFMerge o Matic, and Done and Dusted.11:12
RAOFThey're automatic Debian->Ubuntu merging thingies.11:12
coNPthanks, RAOF 11:13
RAOFAh, I must be hitting that libxul bug.11:14
RAOFIn democracyplayer news, our divergence from Debian is now a 3 line patch :)11:14
StevenKRAOF: Woot!11:14
RAOFAnd just as soon as democracyplayer is installable in Sid, I'll see if the bug our patch fixes is apparent in Sid, too :)11:15
StevenKIn transition news, I have pretty much single-handedly done the libsnmp9 -> libsnmp10 one.11:15
RAOFStevenK: Woot! :)11:16
StevenKRAOF: :-)11:16
RAOFDo you know what would be super-ultra-cool?  A deskbar plugin that did launchpad bug searches like Debian has for their BTS.11:16
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RAOFAnd in "what the hell" news, I've discovered that Sid doesn't have any prebuild ipw3945 modules for it's kernel.11:17
zakameis it incremental-pkglist-updates tiem now pls? :P11:19
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XAngelusX:)11:26
XAngelusXplease answer my question , which is the cause for this channel?11:26
jussi01XAngelusX: this is where the motu's hang out11:28
jussi01!motu11:28
ubotumotu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU11:28
jussi01and also those who help package and want to be motu's and some others11:28
XAngelusXmmmmmm11:28
jussi01have a look at the topic11:28
XAngelusXwhat interesting thing11:28
XAngelusXsorry for my understanding , im spanish one11:29
jussi01:)11:29
XAngelusXthen here is the people that decide which packets programs and other come to de universe and multiverse sourceS?11:29
mok0Yes, we're the deciders11:30
jussi01yes11:30
jussi01hehe11:30
XAngelusX:)11:30
XAngelusXok11:30
jussi01XAngelusX: its a good idea to be nice to them if you want something.. :D11:30
XAngelusXcan i have a question for you?11:30
XAngelusXyes jeje11:30
XAngelusXit maybe strange , it is for xorg-xserver-via drivers11:31
XAngelusXif the questions about that is out of place tell me11:31
jussi01XAngelusX: you can ask, and we will try answer or point you to the right place to ask :D11:32
XAngelusXDo you know if this drivers have relation to the openchrome project ones?11:32
jussi01no idea, maybe someone else knows...11:33
XAngelusXokis11:33
mok0XAngelusX: probably better chance of an answer if you ask at ubuntuforums.org11:33
XAngelusXthx but it was only a question without much urgent11:34
XAngelusXand11:35
XAngelusXthis project is complemented with search of bugs ?11:35
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ryanakcasay is it possible to request a sync for something that's in Debian NEW? DebianSyncFreezy is on Thursday, and I don't know when it will get out12:41
ryanakcas/say//g12:43
Hobbseeryanakca: yeah.12:43
Hobbseeryanakca: well, i think so12:43
Hobbseeand you can say 'i'ts still stuck in the new queue"12:43
Hobbseethen again, it'd be under a new package, so it'd be before new package freeze12:43
imbrandonryanakca, i dunno about NEW, but if its in incomming you can12:43
imbrandonbecause the NEW *.dsc's arent published afaik12:44
Q-FUNK*nods*12:45
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geserafaik NEW is not possible as the source packages aren't made available12:50
geserryanakca: no need to hurry as you've time till NewPackagesFreezeUniverse (August 30th) to request the sync12:51
geseron Thursday only the automatic syncing stops12:51
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pochuHeya MOTUs and MOTU padawans!01:00
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geserHi pochu01:01
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ryanakcaimbrandon: Hobbsee: if I gave them a link to mentors.debian.net repos with the .dsc?01:05
ryanakca(the equivalent of ubuntu's REVU)01:05
ryanakcanevermind01:05
ryanakcageser: Okies, I'll wait 'till it gets out of NEW, and then I'll ask for a sync01:06
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imbrandonryanakca, yea you can ask them to sync it from mentors too01:10
imbrandonfi they will/wont depends on who acks it etc etc etc etc01:10
imbrandonbut its possible from there01:10
geserdoesn't the archive admins prefer to sync from Debian as they have fewer checks to do?01:11
imbrandonprefer yes, but not impossible01:11
imbrandonor unpresidented01:12
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RAOFYay!  Apport's back!  I obviously should have gone scrounging through gconf for the re-enable key earlier :/01:37
pochuI think it's intentionally disabled.01:38
RAOFIn Feisty, yes.01:38
StevenKEww. lustre depends on a specific kernel version.01:38
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RAOFSurely it's not intententionally disabled in Gutsy?01:38
StevenKDescription: Linux kernel patch for the Lustre Filesystem01:39
StevenKOh, duh01:39
StevenKWhy does it Build-Depend on linux-source-2.6.18, though!?01:39
pochuRAOF: I think it is in Gutsy too, until https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apport-crash-duplicates is implemented.01:40
pochuIt is disabled, I mean.01:40
StevenK# We need one kernel source to be present during build to satisfy01:41
StevenK#  the lustre build process. This is $(KERNEL_VERSION)01:41
StevenKOhhhhh, *twitch*01:41
Nafallopochu: it's in use here...01:41
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RAOFpochu: Ah, fair enough.01:44
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jussi01hmmm, quick question, when is the last date for upload for gutsy? ie. when do i need to have my packages approved by?02:14
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jussi01wow... dead tonight...02:22
Hobbseeer...02:22
Hobbseewhat type of package?02:22
Hobbseenew?02:22
jussi01yeah02:22
Hobbseethe new package freeze02:23
Hobbseewhenever tha tis02:23
jussi01hehe... wheres that schedule gone...02:23
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Hobbseejussi01: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule02:29
jussi01Hobbsee: thank you :D02:30
jussi01hmmm, so that means 19th of august? that late????02:31
jussi01wow...02:32
Hobbseelikely02:32
jussi01ok, well thats all good then :D02:32
Hobbseenew packages shouldnt break anything already existing02:32
jussi01yeah, just upstream on one of mine is about to release a new on in a couple of weeks...02:32
jussi01so I want to get the new version in02:33
jussi01:D02:33
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imbrandonhrm you know what would be good02:42
imbrandona GUI deb package creator02:42
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TheMusoimbrandon: You're dreaming!02:43
imbrandonheh02:43
imbrandondh_make + cdbs + GUI02:43
imbrandon:)02:43
StevenKimbrandon: "checkinstall"02:43
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imbrandonhahahahaha02:43
jussi01lol02:44
ajmitchimbrandon: keep dreaming02:44
imbrandon:)02:44
Hobbseeajmitch!02:44
imbrandonwould give me a reason to try gtk#02:44
ajmitchHobbsee: what?02:44
Hobbseeajmitch: hello02:45
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zulimbrandon: you have no reason for gtk# :)02:45
ajmitchhi02:45
xxxxx1good morning all!02:45
zulhey ajmitch 02:45
imbrandonello *02:45
jussi01good evening ajmitch02:46
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jord-holehello masters of the universe02:57
jord-holeWould it be possible to request a package for grails or groovy?02:58
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jussi01jord-hole: file a bug needs packaging on lauchpad03:01
jussi01hello persia03:01
persiaHi jussi01.03:02
jord-holejussi01: will do, thanks for the suggestion.03:02
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jussi01persia: i just emailed you, did you get it?03:02
jord-holeKeep up the hard work guys! You are a big reason this distro works so well for so many03:02
StevenKpersia: Got a tick?03:03
persiajussi01: Yes, but I've yet to read it.03:03
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persiaStevenK: Yes, but in 3-5 minutes would be better.  What's up?03:03
jussi01jord-hole: if your interested you can package it yourself, the motu's are very helpful with people learning03:03
StevenKpersia: I'll wait the 5 minutes or so, it's fine. :-)03:03
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persiajussi01: Sounds good.  Please keep the bug assigned to yourself and add a comment indicating that packaging is deferred for 0.9.6 due to licensing concerns, or something similar.03:05
jussi01persia: ok, will do.03:05
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jussi01persia: in a moment i will give you the new revu address for mnemosyne that fixes that copyright issue...03:08
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StevenKpersia: Oh, right, sorry. I was AFK. You did the upload of cyrus21-imapd, which Build-Depends on libsnmp-dev. I was looking libsnmp9 using packages, and it looks like none of the built packages actually end up depending on libsnmp{9,10}.03:11
persiaStevenK: Hrm.  Thanks for investigating that: it appears I didn't sufficiently.  It can probably be dropped, and a new upload (after looking at the ghosescript issue) is probably a good idea.  Do you have a specific interest in the package?03:14
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StevenKpersia: None, knock yourself out.03:15
StevenKpersia: Although, checking a build doesn't depend on stuff pulled in via Build-Depends is not a usual check.03:16
jussi01persia: next thing in the queue after StevenK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=562603:16
persiaStevenK: I was also contemplating dropping it: from what I can tell, cyrus-imapd is now strong enough, and 2.1 buggy enough that it didn't seem like a good recommendation.  What do you think?03:16
StevenKcyrus-imapd-2.2, even?03:17
StevenKUm. I'm not sure, to be honest.03:18
persiaStevenK: Perhaps it should be: a package check that looks at the results of $(shlib:Depends) and compares against Build-Depends, and outputs a warning if there are extras would be nice :)03:18
persiaStevenK: Right.  I thought there was once a dummy cyrus-imapd package that depended on the correct version, but it appears not to be present.03:19
StevenKThe proper way to check is with the Build-Depends actually installed, so you can see the shlib.local files.03:19
StevenKpersia: cyrus-imapd == Cyrus 1.503:19
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persiaStevenK: Ah.  This is perhaps evidence regarding how long it's been since I actually paid much attention to cyrus :)03:21
StevenKpersia: Heh :-)03:21
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StevenKpersia: My mail server runs Cyrus 2.103:21
jussi01hello dholbach03:21
herzidholbach: did you set up the reverse dns?03:21
dholbachherzi: no, I asked somebody else to do it03:22
herziyour mail just arrived (subject: codeschrott)03:22
persiaStevenK: In that case, I'll update the package.03:22
dholbachherzi: I have loads of things to do atm03:22
dholbachherzi: ah great03:22
herzithanks for doing it though03:22
StevenKpersia: (On Debian, more's the pity. Ubuntu sparc is planned, I just need to work up the courage.)03:22
dholbachherzi: great to hear03:22
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dholbachhehe03:23
herzistill waiting for the re-install to finish... (got a new unbroken HD)03:24
dholbachdid you lose data?03:24
mok0pwd03:25
xxxxx1hello dholbach 03:25
mok0oops wrong term :-)03:25
herzino, I bought a 500 GiB USB drive three weeks ago for backups :-D03:25
zakameooh03:29
Nafallolol03:30
Nafallomy first thought was that flash had became large :-P03:30
zakamemok0: its `pwn'03:30
dholbachhi xxxxx1, hi jussi0103:30
jussi01dholbach: nice delayed reaction :P03:31
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dholbachI'm doing a couple of other things at the same time :)03:31
jussi01:)03:31
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zakamefork()03:32
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zakameor maybe spawn()?03:32
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persiajussi01: Now I'm rather confused.  Looking at the package, I'm not finding evidence of things copyright 1996 or 2003 only by the listed copyright holders, and I do find a third AUTHOR not listed in debian/copyright.  Could you lead me a little?03:34
zakame:O03:34
jussi01hehe... got you all confused...03:34
zakamebrb, wash(dish);03:34
jussi01persia: its because it is actually a rename/update of another program already in the repos....03:35
persiajussi01: Ah.  Which program?03:35
jussi01gah, cant remember the name now... 1 sec03:36
mok0I need to install torque/maui, but I cannot see that anyone has packaged them (recently). Can that really be? 03:37
herzimok0: installing torque should be pretty straight forward03:37
mok0Yeah, but I need it packaged03:37
mok0It has a weird license03:38
mok0probably why it's not in the repo...03:38
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jussi01persia: memaid-pyqt03:41
jussi01persia: I have to hop on a plane soon, so if im gone, email me anything. :D03:46
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persiajussi01: You've found an interesting situation.  As far as I can tell from looking at the docs, mnemosyne is a rewrite of memaid, using the same pyqt and superkaramba interfaces.  Looking at the code, none of the pages for which the memaid author claims copyright appear to share more than a couple headers and some initialisation with mnemosyne.03:50
persiaFrom where did you receive instruction that you needed to indicate copyright from the authors of the compatible predecessor package?03:50
jussi01hmmm, cant remember, it was someone on IRC here...03:51
jussi01a couple of people even, IIRC, cant remember who.03:52
jussi01hmmm... looking at revu, skottk suggested it, but Im almost certain there were others also.03:53
jussi01ScottK: even...03:53
jussi01:P03:53
persiajussi01: Ah.  Hard to say then.03:53
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jussi01ok, anyway, my plan boards in 15, i should get to the gate. 03:54
persiajussi01: Looking at the REVU comment, I have to agree, that where there is derivation, the original copyright holder needs to be mentioned, but in this case, I think all the files were replaced.  If you have time on the plane, try some diffs, and ping me when you get back north.03:55
jussi01see you later all. persia, I will be away for probably a week. maybe shorter though.03:55
jussi01persia: sure. 03:55
jussi01good night all03:56
ScottKpersia: I didn't compare the code.  I told him to do that based on the statement that it was a derived work.03:59
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persiaScottK: Makes perfect sense.  I think this is a odd situation, as it appears that one of the primary contributors for memaid disagreed with a decision to take it commercial, and rebuilt a free version.  It needs more research, which we'll leave to the packager :)04:00
elkbuntukeybuk is getting really good at flooding planet, isnt he04:07
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Nightrosecan a MOTU give http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5487 some love please? ;-)06:19
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pochuNightrose: Add a blank line at the end of the .desktop file06:27
pochu+Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;06:27
pochu\ No newline at end of file06:27
Nightrosedouh - thx pochu06:28
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Nightrosepochu: done06:31
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polopolohello all, do I need to go in the GNOME envirnment to devolp a gnome package, or can I do it in kubuntu?07:26
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zulgotta love the drive bys07:26
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DarkSun88Hi all07:40
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xxxxx1hello DarkSun88 07:55
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leonelje07:56
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dmblittle problem08:08
dmbbefore, i uploaded something to revu that got rejected, because i left unstable in the changelog08:08
dmbi fixed that, and it won't let me upload a replacement08:08
dmbError '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of inspircd_1.1.8-1.dsc08:08
dmbNote: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.08:08
dmb      For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used08:08
dmb      to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.08:08
dmbhow can i fix that?08:08
bluekujadmb, need to ping a REVU admin08:09
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dmbbluekuja: is there a list of them?08:11
bluekujadmb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=REVU08:12
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dmbor ajmitch :) if any of you are here08:13
ibrownhey, i have a quick question in regards to the "motu" i guess.  I just switched from slack -> ubuntu-feisty 64.  and i'm noticing there's some things i'd like to change, and thought this isn't the right version for me.  for example.  versions: glib-2.0 = 2.12.11 i'd like that glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0.  So i'm thinking there's a more "bleeding" edge version of ubuntu to do this dev work on?08:14
LaserJockdmb: what do you need?08:14
zulibrown: install gutsy and this channel isnt for support either08:15
dmbLaserJock: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of inspircd_1.1.8-1.dsc08:15
dmbNote: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.08:15
dmb      For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used08:15
dmb      to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.08:15
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dmbit got rejected because i left in unstable in the changlog of the package08:15
dmbnow it won't let me upload the fix08:16
LaserJockdmb: right, give me a sec and I'll clear it out08:16
dmbok, thank you08:17
LaserJockdmb: done08:19
dmbok08:19
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dmbthanks08:19
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dmbLaserJock: do I have to get one of you every time there needs to be a change on the package based on reviews?08:20
LaserJockno08:21
LaserJockwe just have a few checks08:21
LaserJocksource only upload and versioning I think are the only ones08:22
dmboh08:22
LaserJockactually, I'm not sure if versioning is even checked08:25
LaserJockit looks like your first upload failed because you weren't in the keyring yet08:25
dmbis it supposed to send a password through email?08:25
dmbLaserJock: ah, that could be it, because i uploaded it while it was still syncing08:25
LaserJockno, it won't send a password08:26
LaserJockyou can get a password by doing a password recovery on revu.tauware.de08:26
dmboh08:27
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polopoloHello all, do I need GNOME to package GNOME packages?08:29
leonelonly his dependencies08:30
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dholbachin most cases you need GNOME to properly test GNOME packages08:33
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shawarmaajmitch: Are you planning to do the samba merge?08:41
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dmbi have a stupid question, what distribution are we supposed to put in?08:44
polopolodholbach: So no problem if I package gnome programs in KDE?08:44
dmbin debian, there was unstable and stable08:45
dmbdo we just put gusty for that?08:45
shawarmadmb: the current development release, i.e. gutsy.08:45
shawarmadmb: Not gusty. :)08:45
dmboops08:45
dmbshawarma: is it ok that lintian says this:08:45
dmbE: inspircd_1.1.8-1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy08:45
shawarmadmb: That's fine.08:46
dmbshould I add an override or is it ok to leave it?08:46
shawarmadmb: You can grab lintian from gutsy to "fix" it.08:46
dmbah08:46
shawarmadmb: Don't add an override.08:46
dmbok08:46
polopolo!debian08:47
ubotuUbuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!08:47
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shawarma\o/ LaserJock !09:18
bluekujacongrats LaserJock !!!!!!!109:18
bluekuja:)09:18
AndyPLaserJock: congratulations!09:18
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bluekujalol09:19
leonelcongrats  LaserJock 09:19
bluekujaLaserJock, you rock :)09:20
LaserJocknot exactly09:20
RainCTLaserJock: gratz :)09:20
bluekujahehehe09:20
LaserJockI've just put a lot of time into it09:20
LaserJock;-)09:20
bluekujaI know :)09:20
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bluekuja:D09:21
AndyPcheers :)09:22
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AndyPLaserJock: so you're going to fix all the edubuntu bugs now? :)09:23
LaserJockAndyP: of course ;-)09:24
AndyPawesome :)09:24
pochuLaserJock: congrats!09:25
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dmbim am totally craving this right now:09:26
dmbhttp://www.eatfoo.com/files/images/20060703_-_fried_chicken/IMG_6221.jpg09:26
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jribScottK (or anyone who is interested): I emailed upstream for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444 and amir told me that he's still maintaining the code but nothing has come up recently.  Should I change the copyright to 2003-2007?  The last check-in seems to have been made a year ago09:40
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LureLaserJock: congrats on ore-dev!09:48
Lurecore-dev even ;-)09:48
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jekilanyone can review please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=544310:08
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pochujekil: in debian/control, in the description, add a blank line (an space and a dot, ' .'), and another space to Homepage's indenting ('  Homepage:')10:14
pochuSo it is10:14
pochu bla.10:14
pochu .10:14
pochu  Homepage: ...10:14
ScottKLaserJock: Congratulations.10:15
ScottKjrib: In that case, I think I'd just leave it.  You've documented the copyright claims that the author has made and I think that's sufficient.10:16
ScottKjekil: Not that that's two leading spaces before Homepage:10:16
ScottKNot/Note10:17
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jekilpochu, ScottK: thank you, i have uploaded a new with your suggestion http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=563810:23
jribScottK: sounds good, thanks for the comments10:24
ScottKjekil: You need to have the copyright years for upstream in debian/copyright.10:25
ScottKjekil: You might, rather than using help2man to statically generate the man page that you then have to redo manually each time you update the package, consider building it automatically in debian/rules when the binary package is built (this is not required, but would be nice to have).10:29
ScottKjekil: I don't have time for a thorough review just now, but that's what I see based on a quick review of the diff.10:29
jekilScottK: i consider it, but the format of help can't originate a good man page10:30
ScottKjekil: Did you have to edit it then?10:30
jekilScottK: yes10:30
ScottKjekil: In that case take out the bit in the man page comments about don't edit manually and nevermind about automatically generating it.10:30
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jekilScottK: thanks10:33
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ScottKjrib: I re-advocated your new upload.10:35
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