[12:15] <ScottK> Just for the record I didn't adovcate infinito's package because I've never dealt with a Python package that didn't use distutils before.  If you're using distutils I'm pretty comfortable with Python packaging.
[12:18] <pochu> Hey ScottK
[12:22] <ScottK> Heya pochu
[12:24] <ScottK> jrib: A couple of quick comments (looking at the diff it looks pretty good, but I don't have time to actually build it right now).
[12:25] <ScottK> Change the last line of the description in debian/control to   [that's two leading spaces]  Hompage: URL.
[12:25] <ScottK> Look at the Debian Maintainer rules.  Gotta run.
[12:26] <jrib> ScottK: thanks
[12:27] <ScottK> jrib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[12:28] <jrib> i'll take a look
[12:51] <ToHellWithGA> hey yall.  i see the "sudoku" package is maintained by the motu team.  it does not redraw itself when a terminal's dimensions are changed.  should i file that as a bug or contact the author, michael kennett?
[12:52] <lionel> Hi ToHellWithGA
[12:53] <lionel> it's always a good idea to fill a bug
[12:53] <ToHellWithGA> mkay.  thanks lionel 
[12:56] <sladen> ToHellWithGA: file a bug, *and* contact the upstream author
[01:00] <gnomefreak> crimsun: i know about a week ago the new flashplugin-nonfree was broken (i never found out what was) 
[01:00] <gnomefreak> crimsun: do we know if its still broken?
[01:01] <crimsun> gnomefreak: if you mean upstream's beta 3 (9.0.60.120), then yes, it was and still is utterly broken - a 100% regression.
[01:01] <gnomefreak> crimsun: ty 
[01:01] <crimsun> sorry, I should have phrased that as "update 3 - beta"
[01:02] <gnomefreak> eh 
[01:02] <crimsun> (since that's how upstream phrases it)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> true but to me it can be update 25 broken is still broken ;)
[01:03] <crimsun> yes, people love frothing at the mouth over flash 9 updates
[01:06] <crimsun> project redfish, heh.
[01:06] <crimsun> may as well just call it the Dell project.
[01:09] <nixternal> mmm gnash > flash :)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> nixternal: sometimes. theres some applets gnash wont play
[01:10] <gnomefreak> atleast i found out today
[01:10] <nixternal> it plays youtube, good enough for me :)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:11] <nixternal> just so I can watch people make idiots out of themselves..that way there I don't feel bad when I do
[01:11] <nixternal> I like the technology/make it yourself type videos..they have some cool stuff on there
[02:12] <etank> does anyone know if python-wmi will make it into the ubuntu universe anytime?
[02:12] <etank> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-wmi   <--- link
[02:13] <pochu> etank: python-wmi | 20070517-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[02:13] <pochu> So it's already in Universe.
[02:14] <etank> sweet
[02:14] <etank> not for feisty then though huh
[02:14] <crimsun> python-wmi | 20070517-2 | gutsy/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc
[02:15] <crimsun> no, not for 7.04.
[02:15] <crimsun> request a backport if you're frothing at the mouth.
[02:17] <etank> crimsun: how do you go about requesting a backport
[02:17] <pochu> !backports
[02:17] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[02:18] <pochu> etank: file a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+filebug
[02:18] <pochu> (for feisty)
[02:18] <etank> or better yet i may try to make one myself just for practive :)
[02:18] <etank> *practice
[02:18] <etank> i want to learn how to do this stuff anyway
[02:18] <pochu> You can include it in the backports repo, then.
[02:19] <pochu> So you learn, and contribute :)
[02:19] <etank> that would be the awesome
[02:20] <pochu> Night folks
[02:36] <etank> is the prevu app the recommended way to create a backport?
[02:39] <Amaranth> yes
[02:39] <etank> cool
[04:44] <dmb> mehhh
[06:30] <somerville32> I can't generate enough entropy to generate a new key :/
[06:33] <somerville32> Hobbsee: Come help me generate more entropy :P
[06:34] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:34] <Hobbsee> somerville32: oh?  how?
[06:36] <somerville32> lol
[06:36] <somerville32> You could just send me some.
[06:36] <somerville32> I can't seem to generate enough to create a new key
[06:37] <somerville32> Is it possible to import a key from the keyserver?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> a public key, sure
[06:37] <TheMuso> Public key, yes.
[06:38] <somerville32> And I suppose I can't use my public key to authenticate with bzr?
[06:40] <elkbuntu> well no, that wouldnt be logical now, would it
[06:47] <somerville32> I can't generate enough entropy.
[06:47] <StevenK> somerville32: Run bonnie++ in another terminal.
[07:02] <jmg> somerville32: are you shelled into the machine generating the keys remotely?
[07:21] <Amaranth> the mouse is a great source of entropy
[07:21] <Amaranth> move it around randomly
[07:21] <Amaranth> oh, he left
[07:46] <cbx33> ping imbrandon 
[07:49] <Hobbsee> cbx33: his machine's down, he doesnt seem to be here
[07:49] <Hobbsee> at least, aurora is
[07:49] <cbx33> oh man
[07:49] <Hobbsee> yes.  not so good.
[07:49] <cbx33> thanks Hobbsee 
[07:49] <cbx33> been trying to get hold of him for about a week now
[07:49] <cbx33> :(
[07:49] <cbx33> how are you anyways?
[07:50] <Hobbsee> exams, work, ubuntu stuff.  having fun :)
[07:50] <cbx33> hehe good good
[07:50] <cbx33> what exams?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> done physics, got maths and electronics to go
[07:51] <Hobbsee> (uni exams, whihc is why i wont be in boston)
[07:51] <cbx33> awesome
[07:51] <dmb> any of you familiar with the gpg thing in launchpad?
[07:51] <cbx33> I wish I could go back
[07:51] <dmb> i do gpg --send-key
[07:51] <cbx33> loved learning new stuff all the live long day
[07:51] <dmb> but it nrbrt drnfd
[07:52] <dmb> but it never sends*
[07:52] <Hobbsee> cbx33: i would, but ubuntu is more interesting than it
[07:52] <Hobbsee> dmb: did you specify the key ID at the end?
[07:52] <cbx33> heheh
[07:52] <dmb> Hobbsee: how do you get the key id?
[07:52] <dmb> Hobbsee: is that just the email address?
[07:52] <cbx33> Hobbsee, hmm......it'd be a toss up - I did Acoustical Engineering - we did tonnes of varied stuff
[07:53] <Hobbsee> dmb: you've created your key, right?
[07:53] <dmb> Hobbsee: yes
[07:53] <cbx33> gpg --list-keys
[07:53] <Hobbsee> dmb: then use gpg --list-keys
[07:53] <Hobbsee> and pick the keyID of yours
[07:54] <dmb> Hthere is no keyID column
[07:54] <dmb> theres pub, uid and sub
[07:54] <cbx33> second column
[07:54] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ gpg --list-keys sarah hobbs
[07:54] <Hobbsee> pub   1024D/7D2BCE85 2006-08-16
[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@kubuntu.org>
[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@nospammail.net>
[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (nick: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@ubuntu.com>
[07:54] <Hobbsee> uid                  Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@mailbolt.com>
[07:54] <cbx33> 7D2BCE85
[07:54] <Hobbsee> means that 7D2BCE85 is the keyID
[07:54] <dmb> oh
[07:54] <dmb> ill try that
[07:54] <jmg> LongPointyStick?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> jmg: yes.  The DOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!  variety
[07:55] <cbx33> jmg tell me when it's safe to come out again
[07:55] <Hobbsee> it's not safe.  it's never safe.
[07:56] <cbx33> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:56] <cbx33> ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[07:56] <cbx33> o
[07:56] <jmg> that sounds like something that should be on everything2
[07:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:56] <cbx33> right y'all off for breakfast
[07:56] <Hobbsee> have fun
[07:56] <cbx33> oh before I go
[07:57] <cbx33> actually ya know what
[07:57] <cbx33> nevermind
[07:57] <cbx33> I'll figure it out later on
[07:57] <crimsun> I tell ya, these MOTU making a mess of others' insides...
[07:57] <cbx33> hey hey crimsun 
[07:57] <cbx33> there's a song too
[07:57] <dmb> Hobbsee: its weird, because its sent to the ubuntu keyserver, i can query it, but it still says Launchpad could not import your OpenPGP key.
[07:57] <cbx33> do I have to do a dance?
[07:57] <cbx33> hehe
[07:57] <cbx33> bbl
[07:58] <dmb> Hobbsee: hold on, now it works
[07:58] <dmb> guess it was just a delayh
[07:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> it takes a little bit for it all to propogate
[07:58] <dmb> yup :)
[08:04] <dmb> can someone resync  the REVU's uploaders keyring?
[08:05] <crimsun> dmb: running.
[08:05] <dmb> thanks :D
[08:19] <crimsun> dmb: finished.
[08:19] <dmb> ok, thanks
[08:23] <dmb> if we are making a package, in the changelog file, what do we put, the next ubuntu release name?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> yes - ie gutsy
[08:24] <dmb> ok, thanks again :)
[08:38] <zakame> gutsy mcninja
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hiya Fujitsu 
[08:39] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[08:39] <Fujitsu> Hi zakame.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> but segfaulting is fun.
[08:40] <Fujitsu> I had to configure wpa_supplicant manually :(
[08:40] <Hobbsee> why didnt you use  knetworkmanager?
[08:40] <Fujitsu> I haven't done that in well over a year.
[08:41] <Fujitsu> I considered installing that to see if it worked, but decided that finding an Ethernet cable would be a little annoying.
[08:41] <Hobbsee> ah, point
[08:41] <zakame> heya Fujitsu :D
[08:41] <Fujitsu> It seems to be some gnome-keyring thing, as Gajim had issues when trying to get the password.
[10:16] <bmm> Any MOTU: ccbuild is looking for it's second advocate or new things to work on. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5572
[10:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:17] <geser> morning dholbach
[10:18] <dholbach> heya geser - how are you doing?
[10:18] <geser> good
[10:19] <bryce> heya dholbach :-)
[10:19] <dholbach> hey bryce!
[10:19] <dholbach> how's it going?
[10:19] <bryce> going good
[10:19] <coNP> Any MOTU: my openbox update package wants to be reviewed: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5589 (obconf also supplied: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5569)
[10:19] <dholbach> great
[10:20] <bryce> dholbach: today I figured out how to do packaging of linux-restricted-modules, and successfully built my first one :-)
[10:20] <dholbach> bryce: rock on :-)
[10:20] <bryce> (with new fglrx)
[10:20] <dholbach> hey doko
[10:20] <coNP> wow
[10:20] <dholbach> NICE :-)
[10:20] <doko> good morning
[10:21] <dholbach> doko: good morning
[10:23] <Hobbsee> hiya bryce 
[10:24] <bryce> heya Hobbsee
[10:24] <Hobbsee> bryce: damn X.  still hasnt crashed.
[10:24] <bryce> hehe
[10:25] <bryce> Hobbsee: my gut says your bug is going to be something new, not what we had before
[10:25] <bryce> but of course, it has to crash before we can be sure.  ;-)
[10:26] <Hobbsee> bryce: could well be.
[10:57] <XAngelusX> hi to everyone
[11:07] <RAOF> I
[11:07] <shawarma> RAOF: you
[11:07] <RAOF> shawarma: Hello.  Yes?
[11:08] <Qball> he he
[11:08] <shawarma> :-p
[11:08] <RAOF> I've just realised that the new debian kvm-28 package is not going to appear on MoM or DaD, since our kvm package has an epoch.
[11:08] <RAOF> Can that be done manually, or am I going to have to work out how to do what they do manually?
[11:09] <RAOF> In other words, will I have to manually do what MoM or DaD do automatically, or can I get *them* to manually do their funky stuff?
[11:12] <RAOF> Merge o Matic, and Done and Dusted.
[11:12] <RAOF> They're automatic Debian->Ubuntu merging thingies.
[11:13] <coNP> thanks, RAOF 
[11:14] <RAOF> Ah, I must be hitting that libxul bug.
[11:14] <RAOF> In democracyplayer news, our divergence from Debian is now a 3 line patch :)
[11:14] <StevenK> RAOF: Woot!
[11:15] <RAOF> And just as soon as democracyplayer is installable in Sid, I'll see if the bug our patch fixes is apparent in Sid, too :)
[11:15] <StevenK> In transition news, I have pretty much single-handedly done the libsnmp9 -> libsnmp10 one.
[11:16] <RAOF> StevenK: Woot! :)
[11:16] <StevenK> RAOF: :-)
[11:16] <RAOF> Do you know what would be super-ultra-cool?  A deskbar plugin that did launchpad bug searches like Debian has for their BTS.
[11:17] <RAOF> And in "what the hell" news, I've discovered that Sid doesn't have any prebuild ipw3945 modules for it's kernel.
[11:19] <zakame> is it incremental-pkglist-updates tiem now pls? :P
[11:26] <XAngelusX> :)
[11:26] <XAngelusX> please answer my question , which is the cause for this channel?
[11:28] <jussi01> XAngelusX: this is where the motu's hang out
[11:28] <jussi01> !motu
[11:28] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:28] <jussi01> and also those who help package and want to be motu's and some others
[11:28] <XAngelusX> mmmmmm
[11:28] <jussi01> have a look at the topic
[11:28] <XAngelusX> what interesting thing
[11:29] <XAngelusX> sorry for my understanding , im spanish one
[11:29] <jussi01> :)
[11:29] <XAngelusX> then here is the people that decide which packets programs and other come to de universe and multiverse sourceS?
[11:30] <mok0> Yes, we're the deciders
[11:30] <jussi01> yes
[11:30] <jussi01> hehe
[11:30] <XAngelusX> :)
[11:30] <XAngelusX> ok
[11:30] <jussi01> XAngelusX: its a good idea to be nice to them if you want something.. :D
[11:30] <XAngelusX> can i have a question for you?
[11:30] <XAngelusX> yes jeje
[11:31] <XAngelusX> it maybe strange , it is for xorg-xserver-via drivers
[11:31] <XAngelusX> if the questions about that is out of place tell me
[11:32] <jussi01> XAngelusX: you can ask, and we will try answer or point you to the right place to ask :D
[11:32] <XAngelusX> Do you know if this drivers have relation to the openchrome project ones?
[11:33] <jussi01> no idea, maybe someone else knows...
[11:33] <XAngelusX> okis
[11:33] <mok0> XAngelusX: probably better chance of an answer if you ask at ubuntuforums.org
[11:34] <XAngelusX> thx but it was only a question without much urgent
[11:35] <XAngelusX> and
[11:35] <XAngelusX> this project is complemented with search of bugs ?
[12:41] <ryanakca> say is it possible to request a sync for something that's in Debian NEW? DebianSyncFreezy is on Thursday, and I don't know when it will get out
[12:43] <ryanakca> s/say//g
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, i think so
[12:43] <Hobbsee> and you can say 'i'ts still stuck in the new queue"
[12:43] <Hobbsee> then again, it'd be under a new package, so it'd be before new package freeze
[12:43] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i dunno about NEW, but if its in incomming you can
[12:44] <imbrandon> because the NEW *.dsc's arent published afaik
[12:45] <Q-FUNK> *nods*
[12:50] <geser> afaik NEW is not possible as the source packages aren't made available
[12:51] <geser> ryanakca: no need to hurry as you've time till NewPackagesFreezeUniverse (August 30th) to request the sync
[12:51] <geser> on Thursday only the automatic syncing stops
[01:00] <pochu> Heya MOTUs and MOTU padawans!
[01:01] <geser> Hi pochu
[01:05] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Hobbsee: if I gave them a link to mentors.debian.net repos with the .dsc?
[01:05] <ryanakca> (the equivalent of ubuntu's REVU)
[01:05] <ryanakca> nevermind
[01:06] <ryanakca> geser: Okies, I'll wait 'till it gets out of NEW, and then I'll ask for a sync
[01:10] <imbrandon> ryanakca, yea you can ask them to sync it from mentors too
[01:10] <imbrandon> fi they will/wont depends on who acks it etc etc etc etc
[01:10] <imbrandon> but its possible from there
[01:11] <geser> doesn't the archive admins prefer to sync from Debian as they have fewer checks to do?
[01:11] <imbrandon> prefer yes, but not impossible
[01:12] <imbrandon> or unpresidented
[01:37] <RAOF> Yay!  Apport's back!  I obviously should have gone scrounging through gconf for the re-enable key earlier :/
[01:38] <pochu> I think it's intentionally disabled.
[01:38] <RAOF> In Feisty, yes.
[01:38] <StevenK> Eww. lustre depends on a specific kernel version.
[01:38] <RAOF> Surely it's not intententionally disabled in Gutsy?
[01:39] <StevenK> Description: Linux kernel patch for the Lustre Filesystem
[01:39] <StevenK> Oh, duh
[01:39] <StevenK> Why does it Build-Depend on linux-source-2.6.18, though!?
[01:40] <pochu> RAOF: I think it is in Gutsy too, until https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apport-crash-duplicates is implemented.
[01:40] <pochu> It is disabled, I mean.
[01:41] <StevenK> # We need one kernel source to be present during build to satisfy
[01:41] <StevenK> #  the lustre build process. This is $(KERNEL_VERSION)
[01:41] <StevenK> Ohhhhh, *twitch*
[01:41] <Nafallo> pochu: it's in use here...
[01:44] <RAOF> pochu: Ah, fair enough.
[02:14] <jussi01> hmmm, quick question, when is the last date for upload for gutsy? ie. when do i need to have my packages approved by?
[02:22] <jussi01> wow... dead tonight...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> er...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> what type of package?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> new?
[02:22] <jussi01> yeah
[02:23] <Hobbsee> the new package freeze
[02:23] <Hobbsee> whenever tha tis
[02:23] <jussi01> hehe... wheres that schedule gone...
[02:29] <Hobbsee> jussi01: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:30] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thank you :D
[02:31] <jussi01> hmmm, so that means 19th of august? that late????
[02:32] <jussi01> wow...
[02:32] <Hobbsee> likely
[02:32] <jussi01> ok, well thats all good then :D
[02:32] <Hobbsee> new packages shouldnt break anything already existing
[02:32] <jussi01> yeah, just upstream on one of mine is about to release a new on in a couple of weeks...
[02:33] <jussi01> so I want to get the new version in
[02:33] <jussi01> :D
[02:42] <imbrandon> hrm you know what would be good
[02:42] <imbrandon> a GUI deb package creator
[02:43] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You're dreaming!
[02:43] <imbrandon> heh
[02:43] <imbrandon> dh_make + cdbs + GUI
[02:43] <imbrandon> :)
[02:43] <StevenK> imbrandon: "checkinstall"
[02:43] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[02:44] <jussi01> lol
[02:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: keep dreaming
[02:44] <imbrandon> :)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[02:44] <imbrandon> would give me a reason to try gtk#
[02:44] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: what?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hello
[02:45] <zul> imbrandon: you have no reason for gtk# :)
[02:45] <ajmitch> hi
[02:45] <xxxxx1> good morning all!
[02:45] <zul> hey ajmitch 
[02:45] <imbrandon> ello *
[02:46] <jussi01> good evening ajmitch
[02:57] <jord-hole> hello masters of the universe
[02:58] <jord-hole> Would it be possible to request a package for grails or groovy?
[03:01] <jussi01> jord-hole: file a bug needs packaging on lauchpad
[03:01] <jussi01> hello persia
[03:02] <persia> Hi jussi01.
[03:02] <jord-hole> jussi01: will do, thanks for the suggestion.
[03:02] <jussi01> persia: i just emailed you, did you get it?
[03:02] <jord-hole> Keep up the hard work guys! You are a big reason this distro works so well for so many
[03:03] <StevenK> persia: Got a tick?
[03:03] <persia> jussi01: Yes, but I've yet to read it.
[03:03] <persia> StevenK: Yes, but in 3-5 minutes would be better.  What's up?
[03:03] <jussi01> jord-hole: if your interested you can package it yourself, the motu's are very helpful with people learning
[03:03] <StevenK> persia: I'll wait the 5 minutes or so, it's fine. :-)
[03:05] <persia> jussi01: Sounds good.  Please keep the bug assigned to yourself and add a comment indicating that packaging is deferred for 0.9.6 due to licensing concerns, or something similar.
[03:05] <jussi01> persia: ok, will do.
[03:08] <jussi01> persia: in a moment i will give you the new revu address for mnemosyne that fixes that copyright issue...
[03:11] <StevenK> persia: Oh, right, sorry. I was AFK. You did the upload of cyrus21-imapd, which Build-Depends on libsnmp-dev. I was looking libsnmp9 using packages, and it looks like none of the built packages actually end up depending on libsnmp{9,10}.
[03:14] <persia> StevenK: Hrm.  Thanks for investigating that: it appears I didn't sufficiently.  It can probably be dropped, and a new upload (after looking at the ghosescript issue) is probably a good idea.  Do you have a specific interest in the package?
[03:15] <StevenK> persia: None, knock yourself out.
[03:16] <StevenK> persia: Although, checking a build doesn't depend on stuff pulled in via Build-Depends is not a usual check.
[03:16] <jussi01> persia: next thing in the queue after StevenK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5626
[03:16] <persia> StevenK: I was also contemplating dropping it: from what I can tell, cyrus-imapd is now strong enough, and 2.1 buggy enough that it didn't seem like a good recommendation.  What do you think?
[03:17] <StevenK> cyrus-imapd-2.2, even?
[03:18] <StevenK> Um. I'm not sure, to be honest.
[03:18] <persia> StevenK: Perhaps it should be: a package check that looks at the results of $(shlib:Depends) and compares against Build-Depends, and outputs a warning if there are extras would be nice :)
[03:19] <persia> StevenK: Right.  I thought there was once a dummy cyrus-imapd package that depended on the correct version, but it appears not to be present.
[03:19] <StevenK> The proper way to check is with the Build-Depends actually installed, so you can see the shlib.local files.
[03:19] <StevenK> persia: cyrus-imapd == Cyrus 1.5
[03:21] <persia> StevenK: Ah.  This is perhaps evidence regarding how long it's been since I actually paid much attention to cyrus :)
[03:21] <StevenK> persia: Heh :-)
[03:21] <StevenK> persia: My mail server runs Cyrus 2.1
[03:21] <jussi01> hello dholbach
[03:21] <herzi> dholbach: did you set up the reverse dns?
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: no, I asked somebody else to do it
[03:22] <herzi> your mail just arrived (subject: codeschrott)
[03:22] <persia> StevenK: In that case, I'll update the package.
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: I have loads of things to do atm
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: ah great
[03:22] <herzi> thanks for doing it though
[03:22] <StevenK> persia: (On Debian, more's the pity. Ubuntu sparc is planned, I just need to work up the courage.)
[03:22] <dholbach> herzi: great to hear
[03:23] <dholbach> hehe
[03:24] <herzi> still waiting for the re-install to finish... (got a new unbroken HD)
[03:24] <dholbach> did you lose data?
[03:25] <mok0> pwd
[03:25] <xxxxx1> hello dholbach 
[03:25] <mok0> oops wrong term :-)
[03:25] <herzi> no, I bought a 500 GiB USB drive three weeks ago for backups :-D
[03:29] <zakame> ooh
[03:30] <Nafallo> lol
[03:30] <Nafallo> my first thought was that flash had became large :-P
[03:30] <zakame> mok0: its `pwn'
[03:30] <dholbach> hi xxxxx1, hi jussi01
[03:31] <jussi01> dholbach: nice delayed reaction :P
[03:31] <dholbach> I'm doing a couple of other things at the same time :)
[03:31] <jussi01> :)
[03:32] <zakame> fork()
[03:32] <zakame> or maybe spawn()?
[03:34] <persia> jussi01: Now I'm rather confused.  Looking at the package, I'm not finding evidence of things copyright 1996 or 2003 only by the listed copyright holders, and I do find a third AUTHOR not listed in debian/copyright.  Could you lead me a little?
[03:34] <zakame> :O
[03:34] <jussi01> hehe... got you all confused...
[03:34] <zakame> brb, wash(dish);
[03:35] <jussi01> persia: its because it is actually a rename/update of another program already in the repos....
[03:35] <persia> jussi01: Ah.  Which program?
[03:36] <jussi01> gah, cant remember the name now... 1 sec
[03:37] <mok0> I need to install torque/maui, but I cannot see that anyone has packaged them (recently). Can that really be? 
[03:37] <herzi> mok0: installing torque should be pretty straight forward
[03:37] <mok0> Yeah, but I need it packaged
[03:38] <mok0> It has a weird license
[03:38] <mok0> probably why it's not in the repo...
[03:41] <jussi01> persia: memaid-pyqt
[03:46] <jussi01> persia: I have to hop on a plane soon, so if im gone, email me anything. :D
[03:50] <persia> jussi01: You've found an interesting situation.  As far as I can tell from looking at the docs, mnemosyne is a rewrite of memaid, using the same pyqt and superkaramba interfaces.  Looking at the code, none of the pages for which the memaid author claims copyright appear to share more than a couple headers and some initialisation with mnemosyne.
[03:50] <persia> From where did you receive instruction that you needed to indicate copyright from the authors of the compatible predecessor package?
[03:51] <jussi01> hmmm, cant remember, it was someone on IRC here...
[03:52] <jussi01> a couple of people even, IIRC, cant remember who.
[03:53] <jussi01> hmmm... looking at revu, skottk suggested it, but Im almost certain there were others also.
[03:53] <jussi01> ScottK: even...
[03:53] <jussi01> :P
[03:53] <persia> jussi01: Ah.  Hard to say then.
[03:54] <jussi01> ok, anyway, my plan boards in 15, i should get to the gate. 
[03:55] <persia> jussi01: Looking at the REVU comment, I have to agree, that where there is derivation, the original copyright holder needs to be mentioned, but in this case, I think all the files were replaced.  If you have time on the plane, try some diffs, and ping me when you get back north.
[03:55] <jussi01> see you later all. persia, I will be away for probably a week. maybe shorter though.
[03:55] <jussi01> persia: sure. 
[03:56] <jussi01> good night all
[03:59] <ScottK> persia: I didn't compare the code.  I told him to do that based on the statement that it was a derived work.
[04:00] <persia> ScottK: Makes perfect sense.  I think this is a odd situation, as it appears that one of the primary contributors for memaid disagreed with a decision to take it commercial, and rebuilt a free version.  It needs more research, which we'll leave to the packager :)
[04:07] <elkbuntu> keybuk is getting really good at flooding planet, isnt he
[06:19] <Nightrose> can a MOTU give http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5487 some love please? ;-)
[06:27] <pochu> Nightrose: Add a blank line at the end of the .desktop file
[06:27] <pochu> +Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;
[06:27] <pochu> \ No newline at end of file
[06:28] <Nightrose> douh - thx pochu
[06:31] <Nightrose> pochu: done
[07:26] <polopolo> hello all, do I need to go in the GNOME envirnment to devolp a gnome package, or can I do it in kubuntu?
[07:26] <zul> gotta love the drive bys
[07:40] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[07:55] <xxxxx1> hello DarkSun88 
[07:56] <leonel> je
[08:08] <dmb> little problem
[08:08] <dmb> before, i uploaded something to revu that got rejected, because i left unstable in the changelog
[08:08] <dmb> i fixed that, and it won't let me upload a replacement
[08:08] <dmb> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of inspircd_1.1.8-1.dsc
[08:08] <dmb> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[08:08] <dmb>       For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used
[08:08] <dmb>       to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.
[08:08] <dmb> how can i fix that?
[08:09] <bluekuja> dmb, need to ping a REVU admin
[08:11] <dmb> bluekuja: is there a list of them?
[08:12] <bluekuja> dmb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=REVU
[08:13] <dmb> or ajmitch :) if any of you are here
[08:14] <ibrown> hey, i have a quick question in regards to the "motu" i guess.  I just switched from slack -> ubuntu-feisty 64.  and i'm noticing there's some things i'd like to change, and thought this isn't the right version for me.  for example.  versions: glib-2.0 = 2.12.11 i'd like that glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0.  So i'm thinking there's a more "bleeding" edge version of ubuntu to do this dev work on?
[08:14] <LaserJock> dmb: what do you need?
[08:15] <zul> ibrown: install gutsy and this channel isnt for support either
[08:15] <dmb> LaserJock: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of inspircd_1.1.8-1.dsc
[08:15] <dmb> Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server.
[08:15] <dmb>       For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used
[08:15] <dmb>       to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads.
[08:15] <dmb> it got rejected because i left in unstable in the changlog of the package
[08:16] <dmb> now it won't let me upload the fix
[08:16] <LaserJock> dmb: right, give me a sec and I'll clear it out
[08:17] <dmb> ok, thank you
[08:19] <LaserJock> dmb: done
[08:19] <dmb> ok
[08:19] <dmb> thanks
[08:20] <dmb> LaserJock: do I have to get one of you every time there needs to be a change on the package based on reviews?
[08:21] <LaserJock> no
[08:21] <LaserJock> we just have a few checks
[08:22] <LaserJock> source only upload and versioning I think are the only ones
[08:22] <dmb> oh
[08:25] <LaserJock> actually, I'm not sure if versioning is even checked
[08:25] <LaserJock> it looks like your first upload failed because you weren't in the keyring yet
[08:25] <dmb> is it supposed to send a password through email?
[08:25] <dmb> LaserJock: ah, that could be it, because i uploaded it while it was still syncing
[08:26] <LaserJock> no, it won't send a password
[08:26] <LaserJock> you can get a password by doing a password recovery on revu.tauware.de
[08:27] <dmb> oh
[08:29] <polopolo> Hello all, do I need GNOME to package GNOME packages?
[08:30] <leonel> only his dependencies
[08:33] <dholbach> in most cases you need GNOME to properly test GNOME packages
[08:41] <shawarma> ajmitch: Are you planning to do the samba merge?
[08:44] <dmb> i have a stupid question, what distribution are we supposed to put in?
[08:44] <polopolo> dholbach: So no problem if I package gnome programs in KDE?
[08:45] <dmb> in debian, there was unstable and stable
[08:45] <dmb> do we just put gusty for that?
[08:45] <shawarma> dmb: the current development release, i.e. gutsy.
[08:45] <shawarma> dmb: Not gusty. :)
[08:45] <dmb> oops
[08:45] <dmb> shawarma: is it ok that lintian says this:
[08:45] <dmb> E: inspircd_1.1.8-1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy
[08:46] <shawarma> dmb: That's fine.
[08:46] <dmb> should I add an override or is it ok to leave it?
[08:46] <shawarma> dmb: You can grab lintian from gutsy to "fix" it.
[08:46] <dmb> ah
[08:46] <shawarma> dmb: Don't add an override.
[08:46] <dmb> ok
[08:47] <polopolo> !debian
[08:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[09:18] <shawarma> \o/ LaserJock !
[09:18] <bluekuja> congrats LaserJock !!!!!!!1
[09:18] <bluekuja> :)
[09:18] <AndyP> LaserJock: congratulations!
[09:19] <bluekuja> lol
[09:19] <leonel> congrats  LaserJock 
[09:20] <bluekuja> LaserJock, you rock :)
[09:20] <LaserJock> not exactly
[09:20] <RainCT> LaserJock: gratz :)
[09:20] <bluekuja> hehehe
[09:20] <LaserJock> I've just put a lot of time into it
[09:20] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:20] <bluekuja> I know :)
[09:21] <bluekuja> :D
[09:22] <AndyP> cheers :)
[09:23] <AndyP> LaserJock: so you're going to fix all the edubuntu bugs now? :)
[09:24] <LaserJock> AndyP: of course ;-)
[09:24] <AndyP> awesome :)
[09:25] <pochu> LaserJock: congrats!
[09:26] <dmb> im am totally craving this right now:
[09:26] <dmb> http://www.eatfoo.com/files/images/20060703_-_fried_chicken/IMG_6221.jpg
[09:40] <jrib> ScottK (or anyone who is interested): I emailed upstream for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5444 and amir told me that he's still maintaining the code but nothing has come up recently.  Should I change the copyright to 2003-2007?  The last check-in seems to have been made a year ago
[09:48] <Lure> LaserJock: congrats on ore-dev!
[09:48] <Lure> core-dev even ;-)
[10:08] <jekil> anyone can review please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5443
[10:14] <pochu> jekil: in debian/control, in the description, add a blank line (an space and a dot, ' .'), and another space to Homepage's indenting ('  Homepage:')
[10:14] <pochu> So it is
[10:14] <pochu>  bla.
[10:14] <pochu>  .
[10:14] <pochu>   Homepage: ...
[10:15] <ScottK> LaserJock: Congratulations.
[10:16] <ScottK> jrib: In that case, I think I'd just leave it.  You've documented the copyright claims that the author has made and I think that's sufficient.
[10:16] <ScottK> jekil: Not that that's two leading spaces before Homepage:
[10:17] <ScottK> Not/Note
[10:23] <jekil> pochu, ScottK: thank you, i have uploaded a new with your suggestion http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5638
[10:24] <jrib> ScottK: sounds good, thanks for the comments
[10:25] <ScottK> jekil: You need to have the copyright years for upstream in debian/copyright.
[10:29] <ScottK> jekil: You might, rather than using help2man to statically generate the man page that you then have to redo manually each time you update the package, consider building it automatically in debian/rules when the binary package is built (this is not required, but would be nice to have).
[10:29] <ScottK> jekil: I don't have time for a thorough review just now, but that's what I see based on a quick review of the diff.
[10:30] <jekil> ScottK: i consider it, but the format of help can't originate a good man page
[10:30] <ScottK> jekil: Did you have to edit it then?
[10:30] <jekil> ScottK: yes
[10:30] <ScottK> jekil: In that case take out the bit in the man page comments about don't edit manually and nevermind about automatically generating it.
[10:33] <jekil> ScottK: thanks
[10:35] <ScottK> jrib: I re-advocated your new upload.