| DaveMorris | superm1 this channel is logged now ;) | 12:29 |
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| DaveMorris | !logs | 12:29 |
| ubotu | Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 12:29 |
| superm1 | yes but as a reminder | 12:29 |
| superm1 | if its msged to me | 12:29 |
| kruuli | DaveMorris cant boot up | 12:32 |
| kruuli | its complaining about my monitor | 12:32 |
| === DaveMorris suggest you comment out the changes you made | ||
| kruuli | didnt change anything in that part | 12:32 |
| kruuli | says generic monitor is a undefined device lol | 12:33 |
| DaveMorris | kruuli: PM | 12:34 |
| kruuli | you cant see what im typing? DaveMorris? | 12:37 |
| DaveMorris | nope | 12:37 |
| kruuli | what the hell | 12:37 |
| DaveMorris | you need to sign in each time you reconnect | 12:37 |
| superm1 | x-chat can do it for you kruuli if your using xchat | 12:38 |
| kruuli | signed in now | 12:38 |
| kruuli | need to but that line in preform so its auto :) | 12:39 |
| === DaveMorris night all | ||
| superm1 | nn DaveMorris | 01:02 |
| === rogue780 will miss DaveMorris more than his mother's milk | ||
| rogue780 | err.. | 01:02 |
| Daviey | nn DaveMorris | 01:02 |
| Daviey | superm1: Right, i've set some time aside for meta packages tommorow | 01:03 |
| superm1 | Daviey, awesome | 01:03 |
| Daviey | but do you have some reading for the 'new method'? | 01:03 |
| Daviey | of packaging | 01:03 |
| superm1 | new method? | 01:03 |
| superm1 | with the seeds? | 01:03 |
| Daviey | yep | 01:03 |
| superm1 | i haven't written any docs on it yet | 01:04 |
| superm1 | i can walk you through what i know tomorrow | 01:04 |
| superm1 | as you get started | 01:04 |
| superm1 | about what time are you going to work on it? | 01:04 |
| Daviey | What time (UTC) will you be online? | 01:04 |
| superm1 | well i'll be on for most of tomorrow | 01:04 |
| Daviey | good stuff | 01:04 |
| superm1 | more so i won't be on from 12PM-3PM (Central) so what is that, 5 or 6ish until 8 or 9ish | 01:05 |
| Daviey | that's fine | 01:05 |
| Daviey | I'll probably do it 11:00-3:00 UTC | 01:06 |
| superm1 | i should really learn how far off UTC i am | 01:06 |
| superm1 | is it 5 or 6 hours | 01:06 |
| superm1 | its 6PM here right now, what time is it UTC | 01:06 |
| Daviey | dunno | 01:06 |
| Daviey | UTC is current 11:06PM | 01:06 |
| superm1 | so 5 hours | 01:06 |
| superm1 | ok | 01:06 |
| superm1 | and that is the same as GMT right | 01:06 |
| Daviey | yes | 01:06 |
| Daviey | but GB isn't currently GMT | 01:07 |
| superm1 | ah okay | 01:07 |
| Daviey | we are GMT+1 for a few months a year | 01:08 |
| superm1 | well considering the time your starting i wont be up | 01:08 |
| superm1 | let me give you a run through | 01:08 |
| Daviey | good 'o | 01:08 |
| superm1 | get the themes taken care of first - that should be a pretty quick thing, and leave me a revu link | 01:08 |
| superm1 | look in the bzr directories | 01:08 |
| superm1 | and there is this "seeds" directory | 01:08 |
| superm1 | under the meta directory | 01:08 |
| superm1 | it was put in at around revision 45 or so | 01:08 |
| superm1 | we're at i think 70 right now | 01:08 |
| Daviey | better update | 01:08 |
| superm1 | yea | 01:08 |
| superm1 | the branch is 160 megs now... | 01:09 |
| superm1 | its going to have to be broken into indiv branches i think to stay sane | 01:09 |
| Daviey | seperate branch for *each* theme?! | 01:09 |
| superm1 | well for all the stuff in the big mythbuntu branch i mean | 01:10 |
| superm1 | themes you can do however you want | 01:11 |
| superm1 | thats your own perogative | 01:11 |
| superm1 | i like the way that i started to do mine keeping them in bzr branches, but its more appropriate for packages that don't have an upstream | 01:11 |
| superm1 | like gtk-engines-mythbuntu | 01:11 |
| superm1 | or mythbuntu-gdm-theme | 01:11 |
| superm1 | i mean to break that branch that has ubiquity up | 01:11 |
| superm1 | and the splash | 01:11 |
| superm1 | and such | 01:11 |
| superm1 | so that they can be kept in their own branches | 01:12 |
| kruuli | give up for tonight :> prolly do a reinstall tomorrow | 01:12 |
| kruuli | also perfect for that nvidia test superm1 :) | 01:13 |
| superm1 | kruuli, nvidia stuff tomorrow too right :: | 01:13 |
| superm1 | yes | 01:13 |
| superm1 | good good | 01:13 |
| Daviey | superm1: still co | 01:13 |
| superm1 | okay so about the seeds | 01:13 |
| kruuli | nn all! | 01:13 |
| superm1 | nn kruuli | 01:13 |
| superm1 | they describe what packages are in different types of installs | 01:13 |
| superm1 | they are more commonly used for things that affect a lot of packages | 01:13 |
| superm1 | say a kubuntu desktop and ubuntu desktop | 01:13 |
| superm1 | that both have a common ubuntu-minimal | 01:13 |
| superm1 | so these seeds aren't actually part of the packages, but rather used to generate the package list | 01:14 |
| superm1 | via a germination step | 01:14 |
| superm1 | so you update the bzr branch with the appropriate packages in each seed | 01:14 |
| superm1 | and then update it on pegasus | 01:14 |
| Daviey | can you give me 5 mins.. | 01:14 |
| superm1 | and then from within the metapacakge source directory, you run germination | 01:14 |
| superm1 | sure | 01:14 |
| Daviey | Sorry, was having a RL conversation | 01:15 |
| superm1 | ha | 01:15 |
| superm1 | *ah | 01:15 |
| Daviey | up-to-dae | 01:16 |
| Daviey | revision 69? | 01:16 |
| superm1 | sounds about right | 01:16 |
| Daviey | looking at /mythbuntu/mythbuntu-meta/seeds/feisty atm | 01:17 |
| superm1 | well everything is going to be done under gutsy now | 01:17 |
| superm1 | so you'll have to update that meta source probably | 01:17 |
| superm1 | to gutsy | 01:17 |
| superm1 | and adapt from that | 01:18 |
| superm1 | (the last ISO i built was gutsy) | 01:18 |
| Daviey | cool | 01:18 |
| Daviey | Think i might make a whole new branch for themes; seems silly to make main huge | 01:19 |
| superm1 | k | 01:19 |
| superm1 | just push it to the ~mythbuntu team | 01:19 |
| Daviey | will do | 01:19 |
| Daviey | or the ubuntu-mythtv team aswell? | 01:20 |
| superm1 | well i guess ~ubuntu-mythtv | 01:21 |
| superm1 | makes more sense | 01:21 |
| superm1 | its something that isn't mythbuntu specific | 01:21 |
| superm1 | good point | 01:21 |
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| Daviey | i need to grab mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz, extract and apply the latest diff to get HEAD? | 01:24 |
| superm1 | HEAD? | 01:24 |
| Daviey | latest rather | 01:24 |
| superm1 | packaging wise | 01:24 |
| superm1 | yes | 01:24 |
| Daviey | cool | 01:25 |
| Daviey | anyway, bet time | 01:25 |
| Daviey | bed | 01:25 |
| superm1 | :) | 01:26 |
| Daviey | catch you tommorow | 01:26 |
| Daviey | ttfn | 01:26 |
| superm1 | nn Daviey | 01:26 |
| superm1 | see ya in the mornin | 01:26 |
| Daviey | unless i see you first.. | 01:26 |
| superm1 | hopefully not | 01:26 |
| superm1 | aha | 01:26 |
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| Paladine | freakin sky have done it again | 02:10 |
| Paladine | changed all the bloody channel numbers | 02:11 |
| OpenMedia | Sky UK? | 02:35 |
| Paladine | yeah | 02:38 |
| OpenMedia | They are just as bad here in NZ. | 02:39 |
| Paladine | I am gonna have to reset all my damn channel numbers and my xmltvrc | 02:39 |
| OpenMedia | Big changes then | 02:39 |
| Paladine | and my channel frequencies because I used a special piece of hardware for changing the channel on my set top box | 02:40 |
| Paladine | I don't think the xmltv site has updated themselves yet either, so my guides aren't gonna work | 02:41 |
| Paladine | they did this just a couple of months back too | 02:43 |
| Paladine | its damn annoying | 02:43 |
| rogue780 | ah, behold the greatness of communist--err socialist--err "free" tv... | 02:49 |
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| mark1 | Can you use mythbuntu as a livecd and play nes roms? | 05:36 |
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| Stinewave | This is going to sound like a dumb question,I'm sure but after pausing, how do I return to live TV? I know how to un-pause but I'm still behind in time. | 06:23 |
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| Stinewave | [Stinewave] This is going to sound like a dumb question,I'm sure but after pausing, how do I return to live TV? I know how to un-pause but I'm still behind in time. | 06:32 |
| OpenMedia | You fast forward to catch up. you are always a couple of seconds off live tv anway | 06:34 |
| Paladine | use the right cursor key to fast forward | 06:52 |
| Stinewave | When I fast forward as soon as I get back to what I think is live it jumps me back to my last pause point. Is there not a single key or button to just go back to the closses to live point? | 06:59 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, are you here? | 08:03 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, you here? | 08:18 |
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| DaveMorris | superm1: go to sleep ;) | 09:22 |
| superm1 | shhhh... i'm not really awake | 09:23 |
| superm1 | i swear | 09:23 |
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| Daviey | superm1: belated pong | 12:54 |
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| DaveMorris | superm1_: is awake, wuick hide | 04:44 |
| DaveMorris | s/wuick/quick | 04:44 |
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| Xenocide | superm1_, you there? | 04:53 |
| DaveMorris | Xenocide: was there anything we could help you with? | 05:06 |
| Xenocide | im planning my new setup and i was wondering if it was possible for say two backends one recorder in each | 05:06 |
| Xenocide | but all the shows were recorded to the master | 05:06 |
| Xenocide | that the slave can record, but nothing is stored on it | 05:06 |
| DaveMorris | if you can't do it by default you could network mount the storage drive by exporting it over nfs | 05:06 |
| DaveMorris | do you not have room for both recorders in 1 machine then? | 05:07 |
| Xenocide | i do | 05:07 |
| Xenocide | but i was going to have one machine do hd | 05:07 |
| Xenocide | i was thinking my frontend will have to upconvert to hd, so it can record SD and upconvert to hd at the same time | 05:08 |
| Xenocide | and the master will have the hd recorder in my bedroom | 05:08 |
| Xenocide | so the frontend will also be a slave backend | 05:08 |
| DaveMorris | I don't know anything about upconverting, but it will be possible | 05:09 |
| Xenocide | uses a boatload of cpu power, not even sure my proc is powerful enough to begin with | 05:09 |
| DaveMorris | is there much advantage? Surely it all based on the original single quality | 05:10 |
| Xenocide | it does look alot better | 05:11 |
| Xenocide | much less pixelated | 05:11 |
| DaveMorris | I've only got a PAL screen so I don't need to worry :) | 05:12 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, pong (again) | 05:20 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, it appears you pinged me too. What's up? | 05:29 |
| Daviey | Ahhhhhhhh. can't talk at the moment; Branch has fallen on the car and smashed windscreen | 05:33 |
| Daviey | need to sort out | 05:33 |
| Daviey | bbl | 05:33 |
| superm1 | oh man | 05:33 |
| superm1 | mkay | 05:33 |
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| kruuli | superm1 you there`? | 05:39 |
| kruuli | superm1 ping | 05:39 |
| superm1 | hey kruuli | 05:40 |
| superm1 | kruuli, whats up? | 05:41 |
| Xenocide | superm1, still there? | 05:43 |
| superm1 | yes | 05:43 |
| Xenocide | question for you sir | 05:43 |
| Xenocide | when i use a slave backend, the recordings stay on that slave backend? | 05:43 |
| superm1 | they stay wherever you have the recordings directory set on the slave backend | 05:44 |
| superm1 | so if you have it set to be on NFS or samba, not necessairly | 05:44 |
| superm1 | on that machine | 05:44 |
| Xenocide | so i would have to use nfs or smb | 05:44 |
| Xenocide | ah ok | 05:44 |
| Xenocide | now if they are local on that machine | 05:44 |
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| Xenocide | and my frontend wants to play it, it also has to be mapped, in my fstab? | 05:44 |
| superm1 | hahahaha DaveMorris | 05:44 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, all handled via myth protocol | 05:44 |
| Xenocide | ok so it just streams from the backend | 05:45 |
| superm1 | remote frontends dont need the files mounted | 05:45 |
| superm1 | right | 05:45 |
| Xenocide | via myth protocol | 05:45 |
| Xenocide | its just the windows frontends that need the share | 05:45 |
| superm1 | right | 05:45 |
| Xenocide | k | 05:45 |
| Xenocide | hd too big to be streamed over 100mb? | 05:45 |
| Xenocide | 100mbit | 05:45 |
| DaveMorris | don't think so | 05:45 |
| Xenocide | i think it would be close | 05:46 |
| superm1 | na its fine | 05:46 |
| DaveMorris | The DVD format allows up to 9.8Mbps, while HDTV requires 19.25Mbps for full- bandwidth transmission. | 05:46 |
| superm1 | it uses ~15-20 megabits | 05:46 |
| DaveMorris | loads of room left ;) | 05:46 |
| superm1 | not megabytes | 05:46 |
| Xenocide | 100mbit maxes out around 26mbps | 05:46 |
| kruuli | superm1 let me get some food and lets get started after that .. need to do a reinstall when we are done :) | 05:46 |
| superm1 | ^ what DaveMorris said | 05:46 |
| Xenocide | atelast in my real life situations | 05:47 |
| superm1 | mkay kruuli | 05:47 |
| kruuli | need to download the image again .. wich one was it? | 05:47 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, then you've either got some bad cabling, or bad cards | 05:47 |
| superm1 | kruuli, the latest one in the iso folder | 05:47 |
| superm1 | that is 7.10 based | 05:47 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, or a poor QoS configuration | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | not even using qos | 05:48 |
| superm1 | i've gotten upwards of 80-90mbps | 05:48 |
| Xenocide | on 100mbit? really? | 05:48 |
| superm1 | yup | 05:48 |
| Xenocide | hm | 05:48 |
| superm1 | and thats just one way traffic | 05:48 |
| Xenocide | i mean its been to my xbox | 05:48 |
| DaveMorris | or your switch/hub is getting swamped | 05:48 |
| Xenocide | forgot it was an ata33 controller | 05:48 |
| Xenocide | nah i have a 16 port dell switch pretty decent quality | 05:48 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, then the other thing too, the xbox can't handle HD playback likely | 05:49 |
| Xenocide | i dont plan on using it ;) | 05:49 |
| Xenocide | never have run myth on it, been meaning to though | 05:49 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, with lots of smaller files however, you won't get those rates | 05:53 |
| Xenocide | i realize | 05:53 |
| superm1 | there are some utilities you can use to test the true bandwidth obtained between two machines | 05:55 |
| superm1 | i used it to determine what I was getting on a firewire network | 05:56 |
| superm1 | Lets see the tool I used was, iperf | 05:57 |
| superm1 | its in apt | 05:57 |
| Xenocide | i still haven't complained to time warner yet | 05:59 |
| Xenocide | i need to | 05:59 |
| Xenocide | no time | 05:59 |
| superm1 | ah about the cable box firewire | 05:59 |
| Xenocide | yup | 05:59 |
| Xenocide | i kinda don't care though sine i only live here during the summer | 06:00 |
| Xenocide | only here another two months | 06:00 |
| superm1 | I hate that they are still pulling that though | 06:00 |
| DaveMorris | what are they doing? | 06:00 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, Xenocide is living close to where i lived two years ago | 06:00 |
| superm1 | and I had to fight the cable co to get me a box with firewire | 06:00 |
| superm1 | given that it is *law* and all | 06:01 |
| superm1 | and they are still pulling this, saying that they don't have them. | 06:01 |
| superm1 | after a few threats to contacting the FCC to the lady in the office, she suddenly knew what it was | 06:01 |
| superm1 | and brought a box out for me | 06:01 |
| DaveMorris | why do they have to give you them with firewire? | 06:01 |
| superm1 | there is a FCC regulation | 06:02 |
| superm1 | indicating that they have to | 06:02 |
| DaveMorris | whats it used for? | 06:02 |
| superm1 | See: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-03-225A1.pdf | 06:02 |
| Xenocide | dang the only twc center near me is on capital blvd | 06:02 |
| superm1 | page 50 | 06:02 |
| superm1 | section 4 | 06:03 |
| superm1 | oh you are living up in raleigh then - i forgot i was in durham, i just spent a lot of time in raleigh :) | 06:03 |
| Xenocide | yup | 06:04 |
| Xenocide | i live in north raleigh | 06:04 |
| Xenocide | what were you here for? | 06:04 |
| superm1 | a lady that i saw all that summer | 06:04 |
| Xenocide | nice nice | 06:04 |
| DaveMorris | a lady? must ppl your age would say a girl ;) | 06:04 |
| Xenocide | haha | 06:05 |
| superm1 | she was 3 years older than me :) | 06:05 |
| DaveMorris | so 24? | 06:05 |
| Xenocide | brb | 06:05 |
| superm1 | well this was 2 years ago, so 22-23 at that time | 06:05 |
| superm1 | she's turning 25 this year | 06:05 |
| DaveMorris | yr older than me then | 06:05 |
| superm1 | ah so see - lady :) | 06:06 |
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| kruuli | superm1 anything special you want me to do when installing? | 06:17 |
| superm1 | kruuli, don't think so | 06:18 |
| kruuli | or just klick the nvidia driver option with tvout? | 06:18 |
| kruuli | click* | 06:18 |
| superm1 | yup | 06:18 |
| kruuli | kk | 06:18 |
| superm1 | you can play with any other options too | 06:18 |
| kruuli | cool | 06:18 |
| superm1 | but mythweb and mysql password changing isn't active yet | 06:18 |
| superm1 | and neither is integrated tuner selectoin | 06:18 |
| kruuli | ah k | 06:18 |
| kruuli | hehe ^^ | 06:18 |
| superm1 | so you can pick options for them, but nothing will happen | 06:19 |
| kruuli | food time back in 30 | 06:19 |
| Xenocide | superm1, im on the phone with TW this lady actually knows what shes tlaking about | 06:20 |
| Xenocide | shes trying to find a model she can have someone deliver | 06:21 |
| Xenocide | as soon as i mentioned the fcc document she knew exaclty what iw as talking about | 06:21 |
| superm1 | haha see! | 06:21 |
| Xenocide | she was like yea most people dont know about it so we don't have to give them new boxes | 06:21 |
| Xenocide | shes calling the warehouse to see what they have in stock :) | 06:22 |
| Xenocide | my box i have right now doesn't even have a digital output, kinda sad | 06:22 |
| Xenocide | only component | 06:23 |
| superm1 | yea my first one was just as bad | 06:23 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, did you tell her about what the installer said about it? | 06:25 |
| superm1 | to see what her explanation was for htat? | 06:25 |
| Xenocide | never mentioned it | 06:25 |
| Xenocide | she knew right off me mentioning firewire what i wanted | 06:26 |
| Xenocide | no point in creating more controversy if shes going to fix it, true? | 06:26 |
| Xenocide | hopefully she does | 06:26 |
| superm1 | haha | 06:27 |
| superm1 | indeed | 06:27 |
| superm1 | really its wrong though that you had to go through this | 06:27 |
| superm1 | for it to happen | 06:27 |
| Xenocide | so she said someone would be here before 3, her data sheets didnt' say whether any boxes had firewire | 06:43 |
| Xenocide | but she said she is sending out an explorer 8300 which has dvi and hdmi, and she thinks it has firewire, if it doesn't she told me to call back and she would raise it up to a higher level tech support | 06:43 |
| superm1 | that a dvr box | 06:44 |
| Xenocide | and now i looked it up online says it has dual firewire 400 ports :) | 06:44 |
| Xenocide | yes it is | 06:44 |
| superm1 | those are iffy | 06:44 |
| Xenocide | why? | 06:44 |
| Xenocide | it had dual firewire and an external sata connector | 06:44 |
| superm1 | i've heard they are more locked odnw | 06:45 |
| superm1 | ideally you would want the SA3250 | 06:45 |
| superm1 | thats the one I had | 06:45 |
| superm1 | but you'll see | 06:45 |
| superm1 | if it works or no | 06:45 |
| Xenocide | damn | 06:45 |
| Xenocide | was yours dvr? | 06:46 |
| superm1 | Nope | 06:47 |
| superm1 | i had the SA3250 | 06:47 |
| superm1 | and then out here in MN i had the DCT6200 (Motorola) | 06:47 |
| Xenocide | now will firewire change channels and tune for me just like my pvr card | 06:48 |
| Xenocide | or do i have to setup the pvr blaster | 06:49 |
| superm1 | with that box i really dunno | 06:50 |
| superm1 | you'll have to see | 06:50 |
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| Xenocide | superm1, any good wiki on firewire on myth? | 07:08 |
| superm1 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire | 07:08 |
| superm1 | Xenocide, gotta run. be back at 18:00utc | 07:09 |
| Xenocide | thanks | 07:09 |
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| Xenocide | so the time warner guy came with my box and said here you go, but the firewire won't work because they disable it from the factory... | 07:39 |
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| laga | Xenocide: yell at the cable company. it's a FCC regulation | 09:48 |
| Daviey | superm1: http://daviey.mooo.com/car.jpg :( | 09:51 |
| laga | Daviey: oooh :( | 09:51 |
| Daviey | i know! | 09:51 |
| Daviey | typical that the worst part is right infront of drivers eyesight | 09:52 |
| laga | 17:29 < Daviey> Ahhhhhhhh. can't talk at the moment; Branch has fallen on the car and smashed windscreen | 09:52 |
| laga | fsck :( | 09:52 |
| laga | you'd have to get that replaced anyways :) | 09:52 |
| laga | is it covered by insurance? | 09:52 |
| Daviey | yeah | 09:53 |
| laga | good for you :) | 09:53 |
| Daviey | But the owners of the car park, will be paying | 09:53 |
| laga | even better | 09:53 |
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| Daviey | but not good as had to organise alternative transport | 09:55 |
| OpenMedia | If you lived in tonga you could still get a job as a taxi driver with your car like that. | 09:55 |
| OpenMedia | I was there a couple of years ago and the cars had windscreens that were more sellotape than glass | 09:55 |
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| Daviey | heh | 09:56 |
| === Daviey had a friend from S.Africa, some taxi's use spanners as steering wheels! | ||
| OpenMedia | I've seen that one in Oz | 09:59 |
| Daviey | *crazy* | 09:59 |
| superm1 | wow Daviey | 10:06 |
| superm1 | crazyness | 10:06 |
| laga | Daviey: like those: http://www.abmtools.com/images/Spanners/Four_Way_Wheel_Spanner.jpg ? | 10:07 |
| Daviey | laga: nope http://www.logodesignweb.com/stockphoto/objects/tools/spanner.jpg | 10:08 |
| superm1 | Daviey, so how did this branch come down? | 10:09 |
| superm1 | bad storm or what? | 10:09 |
| superm1 | didn't merge it write? | 10:09 |
| superm1 | ;) | 10:09 |
| superm1 | *right | 10:09 |
| Daviey | heh | 10:09 |
| Daviey | band winds | 10:09 |
| Daviey | bad | 10:09 |
| Daviey | still stuck in car park | 10:09 |
| Daviey | can't be driven | 10:09 |
| OpenMedia | Daviey: where are you? | 10:09 |
| laga | Daviey: that's an interesting steering wheel. | 10:10 |
| Daviey | OpenMedia: UK, Hants, Southampton | 10:11 |
| OpenMedia | Interesting time of year for that sort of weather. | 10:11 |
| superm1 | Daviey, you never mentioned that GB had national health system. I just learned of it yesterday | 10:11 |
| laga | superm1: because "civilization" implies "national health system" in some parts of the world ;) | 10:12 |
| superm1 | laga, you heard of Moore's movie coming out in two weeks in the states, SiCKO? | 10:13 |
| OpenMedia | superm1: Depends on the definition of a national health system. Too many old and ill people in the UK these days to support it. | 10:13 |
| Daviey | superm1: I thought it was common knowlege that we have free hospitals | 10:13 |
| superm1 | i knew of canada having such things, but never knew of other countries too | 10:14 |
| superm1 | it never been brought up in school or discussion with anyoen | 10:14 |
| superm1 | at least to me | 10:14 |
| Daviey | yeah, it's not perfect.. | 10:14 |
| Daviey | but it's pretty good | 10:14 |
| superm1 | understandably | 10:15 |
| OpenMedia | Its an american thing. If you don't know what people outside of your country have then you might not ask for it. | 10:15 |
| superm1 | but better than our situation here | 10:15 |
| Daviey | recently we're having problems getting funding for new expenisve drugs | 10:15 |
| Daviey | and people are living longer, causing more probs | 10:15 |
| Daviey | damn those olf people | 10:15 |
| OpenMedia | superm1: So whats a HMO then? | 10:15 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, indeed - i think that was the whole point of this movie - to bring upon awareness. | 10:15 |
| superm1 | haha HMO... | 10:15 |
| superm1 | its simply an agreement that they "may" cover your costs | 10:15 |
| OpenMedia | Yeah lets all move to Cuba for their healthcare system.. | 10:16 |
| laga | superm1: yup | 10:16 |
| OpenMedia | shame about the near total lack of anything else | 10:16 |
| superm1 | every time i have had health issues, my insurance has forced me to fight for coverage, and i've never gotten anything covered > 60% | 10:16 |
| laga | i just go to the doctor and it gets paid for. but i'm on a private health insurance plan | 10:17 |
| superm1 | I think if nothing else, it adds fuel to the fire, as health care is going to be a big issue in next years elections in the US | 10:17 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, indeed | 10:18 |
| Daviey | One thing that makes me angry; is having to pay >$12 for a prescription | 10:18 |
| Daviey | when the item might only be worth pence | 10:18 |
| Daviey | what film was this? | 10:19 |
| superm1 | it balances out though | 10:19 |
| Daviey | not to me | 10:19 |
| superm1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko | 10:19 |
| Daviey | I did hear about that film; and it does apparently show the NHS in a good light | 10:19 |
| superm1 | a very good light | 10:19 |
| Daviey | and it aint great; but it is cheap | 10:19 |
| Daviey | some wards are very dirty imo | 10:19 |
| === Daviey dropped his coat under a bed; and it came out full (literally) of dust! | ||
| laga | i'd probably feel at home | 10:20 |
| Daviey | laga: that's cause your a dirty student! | 10:21 |
| Daviey | heh | 10:21 |
| superm1 | laga, re: what? | 10:21 |
| laga | 22:11 < superm1> laga, you heard of Moore's movie coming out in two weeks in the states, SiCKO? | 10:22 |
| laga | ^^ | 10:22 |
| laga | Daviey: false claims. i even shaved today. ;) | 10:22 |
| laga | i watched the first thirty minutes of borat last night. i had my face covered most of the time because it hurt too much. | 10:23 |
| superm1 | haha | 10:23 |
| Daviey | heh | 10:23 |
| === Daviey hasn't shaved for nearly 2 years IIRC | ||
| laga | Daviey: i'd say something negative about that, but i hadn't gotten my hair cut for four years | 10:23 |
| laga | till this march ;) | 10:24 |
| Daviey | wow | 10:24 |
| superm1 | wow and i thought 3 months was bad for me for hair cuts | 10:24 |
| === Daviey gets his hair cut every 3 weeks | ||
| Daviey | (sometimes 4) | 10:24 |
| laga | heh | 10:25 |
| laga | my hair all the way down my back. now it just goes to my shoulders. | 10:25 |
| laga | gotta grow up and stop going to hard rock concerts :( | 10:25 |
| superm1 | Daviey, did you get any time in at the metas or themes today - or did the co of that branch on your car take up your time? | 10:29 |
| laga | heh | 10:29 |
| laga | punny :) | 10:29 |
| Daviey | heh.. haven't been able to do much | 10:29 |
| Daviey | spent ages trying to get it fixed | 10:30 |
| superm1 | ah mkay | 10:30 |
| Daviey | latest revision is still stuck in the car park | 10:30 |
| Daviey | had to hitch a life home | 10:30 |
| Daviey | lift! | 10:30 |
| superm1 | tis a shame you can't roll back to an older revision | 10:30 |
| Daviey | mkay is your new word eh? | 10:30 |
| Daviey | i tried! | 10:30 |
| superm1 | i guess it might be. i go through phases | 10:31 |
| Daviey | RL's versioning control is rubbish | 10:31 |
| laga | :) | 10:31 |
| laga | ok, i gotta run. have a nice day/ night and wish me luck for tomorrow's final final :) | 10:32 |
| superm1 | gl tomorrow, and welcome to freedom again when your done :) | 10:32 |
| laga | s/freedom/beer/ | 10:32 |
| superm1 | :) | 10:33 |
| laga | heh | 10:33 |
| laga | g'nighzt | 10:33 |
| Daviey | good luck | 10:38 |
| Daviey | freedom as in freedom or as in beer? | 10:38 |
| Daviey | or freedom as in job? | 10:38 |
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