[12:30] <R[a] ndom> twinview
[12:36] <klhrevolutionist> has the feisty .iso been updated since the installer bug issue ??
[12:45] <gnomefreak> klhrevolutionist: once released it will not get ISO updates unless it is LTS
[12:58] <norton> Hi, how does xubuntu implement the Swich user functionality?
[12:58] <TheSheep> norton: it starts a second X server
[01:01] <norton> TheSheep: I see, thank you
[01:51] <T`> anyone know how slow xinerama is compared to twinview?
[03:06] <jimdandy> hello there
[03:06] <Jester45> hi
[03:07] <jimdandy> could someone please help me with an ipod mounting issue?
[03:07] <Jester45> i could try
[03:08] <jimdandy> well i have a fat32 ipod 80G, the system used to mount it at /media/IPOD but now it mounts at /media/IPOD_
[03:09] <Jester45> somthing is most likly mounted at /media/IPOD
[03:09] <Jester45> or the system thinks so
[03:09] <Jester45> try running "umount /media/IPOD"
[03:09] <Jester45> you need to be root or run with sudo
[03:10] <jimdandy> umount: /media/IPOD: not mounted
[03:11] <jimdandy> i don't know if it is a permissions issue, I can read from the /media/IPOD_ directory (eg. `$ ls /media/IPOD_`) but not /media/IPOD
[03:13] <Jester45> by default you can read anything on your drive
[03:13] <Jester45> jimdandy, try being root when you use ls
[03:15] <jimdandy> the folder is empty, but I wonder if changing the permissions means my ipod can't automount there anymore?
[03:16] <TheSheep> man pmount
[03:17] <jimdandy> i don't have a man entry for pmount
[03:17] <TheSheep> :/
[03:18] <TheSheep> jimdandy: funny, it seems that ubuntu doesn't use pmount anymore
[03:18] <TheSheep> jimdandy: kindly disregard my hint then
[03:19] <jtg23> hey has anyone gotten the linksys 54 wifi card working without using the windows driver wrapper?
[03:19] <jimdandy> thanks, thesheep. btw, the permissions are shown as the same by `ls -l` : drwx------ 2 root   root    48 2007-06-14 09:16 IPOD
[03:19] <jtg23> i thought i had found a tutorial on the google but it was not that
[03:27] <jimdandy> jtg23, have you used 'lspci' to detect your exact wireless chipset? if it is shown (eg. Linksys WMP54G) then google the model number and "linux" and you'll find something.
[03:28] <jtg23> am i better off just getting a diff card?
[03:28] <jtg23> i mean if i can pick upa  cheap wifi card that'd be just as well
[03:28] <jimdandy> maybe not, what card do you have?
[03:28] <jtg23> something turnkey
[03:28] <jtg23> i have a wpm54g
[03:28] <jtg23> and this old gateway 450
[03:29] <jtg23> but i'm borring the card from another pc so i could use a new wifi card if there's one that works particularly well with xubuntu
[03:29] <j1mc> TheSheep: do you have a moment?  can we chat in xubuntu-devel?
[03:31] <jtg23> borring = borrowing; apparently i type southern
[03:31] <jimdandy> unfortunately i can't recommend a wireless card. i don't know what linuxant is, but here is a link someone got your card working: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/28.html
[03:31] <j1mc> jtg23: i had a good experience with a netgear card.
[03:32] <j1mc> jtg23: i've been told to look for cards with an atheros chipset.
[03:32] <j1mc> if that helps you any...
[03:32] <jtg23> j1mc:  thanks
[03:32] <j1mc> jtg23: also, which version of xubuntu are you using?
[03:32] <jtg23> are ubuntu and xubuntu the same drivers-wise?
[03:32] <jtg23> 6.06 lts
[03:32] <jtg23> i had one that worked out of the box with ubuntu but i gave it to a hot chick, like a foold
[03:32] <jtg23> -d
[03:33] <j1mc> jtg23: ok.  i know that feisty fawn features better wifi driver support.  you may want to consider upgrading.
[03:33] <jtg23> let this be a lesson!
[03:33] <j1mc> heh... :)
[03:33] <jtg23> ok i'll d/l the new version and reinstall before i change out cards and i'll also check out atheros-based cards
[03:33] <jtg23> i *really* don't want to use that win-wrapper; that's totally bogus
[03:34] <j1mc> jtg23: do you have a separate /home partition?
[03:35] <jtg23> i'm not sure
[03:35] <jtg23> should i?
[03:35] <j1mc> ummm... hold on...
[03:38] <jimdandy> jtg23, are you running feisty fawn?
[03:38] <j1mc> jtg23: please type "mount | grep home"
[03:38] <j1mc> and let me know what comes up
[03:38] <jtg23> k let me boot
[03:38] <jtg23> i'm on a mac ;)
[03:38] <j1mc> you have to reboot?  :)
[03:38] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[03:40] <jimdandy> someone seemed to get their networking fixed easily with feisty fawn and this card. the solution was posted here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=548384
[03:40] <j1mc> thanks for checking that out, jimdandy
[03:41] <jimdandy> goodnight all, no problem j1mc.
[03:41] <j1mc> good night!
[03:42] <jtg23> thx jim dandy
[03:47] <j1mc> jtg23: did you try that command yet?
[03:48] <jtg23> yeah, no result
[03:48] <jtg23> so i guess not
[03:48] <j1mc> ok... that just means that your /home folder isn't on a separate partition.
[03:49] <j1mc> in the future, i'd recommend putting your /home folder on a separate partition so that you can...
[03:49] <Chikubu> hey im working on getting an old sound card working, isa sb16 pnp, i get conflicting info, not sure were to apply my efforts
[03:49] <j1mc> reinstall the OS without having to restore all of your data and settings
[03:49] <Chikubu> dmesg says one thing, modprobe another
[03:50] <jtg23> ok i see, well, i will do that now when i put on 7.04
[03:50] <jtg23> hey how do i see which version of linux i'm running?
[03:50] <jtg23> what's the comman
[03:50] <jtg23> d
[03:51] <j1mc> jtg23: well, you can tell what kernel version you're running, as well as some other information about your system, by typing...
[03:51] <j1mc> uname -a
[03:52] <jtg23> hm i can't see lik e "ubuntu 6.06" or whatever?
[03:52] <j1mc> there's got to be a way to do that, but i don't recall right now.  :(  hehe
[03:53] <Jester45> tell us what uname -r says
[03:54] <jtg23> 2.6.16-26-386
[03:54] <Jester45> i belive that is drapper but let me cvheck
[03:54] <Pumpernickel> /etc/release has the distribution release information.
[03:54] <Jester45> check*
[03:55] <j1mc> cat /etc/release
[03:55] <j1mc> not irc...
[03:55] <jtg23> cat /proc/version
[03:56] <Jester45> its edgy
[03:57] <jtg23> cat / etc/issue
[03:58] <j1mc> yeah... cat /etc/issue does it for me.  it doesn't give me the name, but gives me the version.
[03:58] <Jester45> eerrr maybe not i thinks its an upgraded drapper kernel
[03:58] <j1mc> ... we could just check the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  :)
[03:59] <Jester45> but thats not fun
[03:59] <j1mc> jtg23: what does   -  cat /etc/issue   give you?
[03:59] <jtg23> just release info
[03:59] <j1mc> Jester45: i agree.  :)
[03:59] <j1mc> jtg23: what does it _say_ when you enter it.  :)
[03:59] <jtg23> cat /proc/version has the kernel info and with cat/etc/issue that's all i kneed to know
[03:59] <Jester45> whats the current state of gusty?
[03:59] <jtg23> it says "stop typing on me and put on 7.04"
[04:00] <j1mc> Jester45: current state?
[04:00] <j1mc> s/gusty/gutsy  :)
[04:00] <jtg23> do i want desktop or alternate for a laptop
[04:00] <Jester45> umm, what is it at alpha or herd
[04:00] <j1mc> jtg23: how familiar are you with linux?
[04:01] <jtg23> um, well, pretty well for my needs
[04:01] <j1mc> Jester45: we're between Tribe 1 and Tribe 2 for Gutsy right now . . .
[04:01] <jtg23> but i use it only remotely;i run macs at home
[04:01] <Jester45> k
[04:01] <j1mc> Tribe == alpha
[04:01] <jtg23> but i want to know more, so much more
[04:01] <jtg23> the coolest thing i know is strace -ewrite -ppid for watching my crons
[04:01] <j1mc> jtg23: you should be ok with the alternate install version then.
[04:02] <j1mc> i typically recommend the alternate installer unless you know that you need the live session for some reason.
[04:02] <Jester45> the coolest thing i know is running 4 xservers :)
[04:02] <j1mc> the alternate moves a little faster . . .
[04:02] <j1mc> Jester45: how do you do that?
[04:03] <jtg23> oh i gotcha, thanks for the tip..i can survive a command line install
[04:03] <Jester45> i think it moves faster only only becuase its not running a full desktop along with it but your not distracted by anything
[04:03] <Jester45> its not really a cli install that much
[04:03] <Jester45> its has menus and color
[04:03] <Jester45> not what a lot of people would think would you say cli
[04:03] <j1mc> jtg23: yeah, it's not command line . . . just a basic xcurses interface - pretty spartan, but still graphical.
[04:04] <j1mc> s/xcurses/ncurses
[04:04] <Jester45> j1mc, you can start extra xservers and put them on extra F# buttons
[04:04] <j1mc> Jester45: do you do that for any special reason?
[04:04] <jtg23> to brag on irc
[04:04] <jtg23> i'd do it too
[04:04] <jtg23> that's pretty sweet, wait till you get spaces
[04:05] <j1mc> ok... sorry, guys . . . i've got to run.  have a good day, evening, morning . . . depending on where you are.  :)
[04:05] <j1mc> take care.
[04:05] <jtg23> k, thx for teh tips
[04:05] <Jester45> and... when you need to get really fancy you have special configs for each so each can run 2 on card 1 and 2 on card #2
[04:05] <j1mc> ttyl
[04:06] <Jester45> i have 2 video card and i use both of them but one isnt beryl matterial so i have a moniter with beryl and a non beryl moniter
[04:07] <Jester45> and whats really cool is that each new xserver you start you can have a diffrent xfce stuff like if i have my dfault xfce settings the new xserver can have a diffrent one so i can have really small panels but they dont have the same cpu meter on them
[04:12] <jtg23> are we not talking about macs?
[04:12] <jtg23> xservs?
[04:12] <jtg23> heh
[04:14] <Jester45> an xserver is what runs your gui on linux
[04:16] <jtg23> right
[04:16] <jtg23> you mean having 4 desktops?
[04:55] <logmein> hey again everyone
[04:56] <logmein> close friend of mine recently got a new computer and it came with vista so he wanted to switch over to xubuntu, it has an ATI mobility radeon x1400. How are drivers for that card?
[04:57] <logmein> just wondering if anyone here using it :)
[05:00] <logmein> wow everyone so quiet today heh
[05:05] <Jester45> just a min i will look it up
[05:07] <Jester45> you have to use the aglrx driver to get 3d support
[05:11] <zephid> logmein: It should work out-of-box, but if you want dri, you most install the restricted drivers from ati
[05:12] <logmein> zephid: yeah ati drivers haven't worked so far from my experience...
[05:12] <logmein> perhaps just older cards I've tried
[05:12] <logmein> Jester45: aglrx yeah will check into that thx
[05:13] <Jester45> logmein, thats if you want it acellerated, once he installs and boots he can run the restricted drivers manager to install it
[05:13] <Jester45> hi somerville32
[05:13] <zephid> My laptop has an Radeon 9700, it works with any problems
[05:13] <zephid> a*
[05:14] <logmein> zephid: kool, I got radeon 9600 in one comp about to install xubuntu to
[05:15] <Jester45> can live cds be made to work like a harddrive? re writeable cd acourse
[05:15] <logmein> I highly doubt it
[05:15] <zephid> Jester45: Nope
[05:15] <logmein> try using a usb stick for that instead
[05:15] <somerville32> Hiya Jester45
[05:15] <Jester45> how about a dvd, can they be partitioned?
[05:15] <zephid> It's techical impossible, use USB sticks as logmein suggested
[05:16] <logmein> yeah if you use ext3 writeback file system on usb and export most your configurations to floppy its not too bad for mobile setup
[05:17] <logmein> its like a flash drive orgy up on my computer so many blinky lights....
[05:18] <logmein> oh and yes a dvd can be partitioned
[05:19] <logmein> like if you want to hide an encrypted sector for some of your private goodies
[05:19] <Jester45> but you can write to it from the same disc
[05:19] <logmein> huh?
[05:20] <Jester45> no im more wanting to beable to run a livecd and save stuff to it also
[05:20] <logmein> Jester45: sorry my brain little fried, mom doing photo archives on windows most the day.. I so miss umount command :(
[05:20] <Jester45> so that is not just whats in the iso but what i install/download/upgrade while using it
[05:21] <logmein> Jester45: umm if you have enough ram then do toram option and burn on a separate disc
[05:21] <logmein> unless you do have multiple drives
[05:21] <Jester45> i do
[05:21] <somerville32> Jester45: You can't do what you're asking
[05:21] <Jester45> ok
[05:21] <logmein> then what is the problem?
[05:21] <somerville32> You can use a usb driver for that but not a CD
[05:21] <Jester45> i just thought of how cool it would be to have my customised copy
[05:22] <somerville32> You can do that
[05:22] <logmein> if its rewritable then yes you could do what your saying perhaps but you would have to not be using the live cd
[05:22] <somerville32> It is called remastering
[05:22] <logmein> and would most likely screw up the image
[05:22] <Jester45> i know that but i still have only the stuff on the iso
[05:22] <somerville32> Jester45: Get a usb thumb drive
[05:22] <Jester45> i got one
[05:22] <somerville32> Then use that :P
[05:23] <Jester45> but im wanting to use it at other computers
[05:23] <logmein> Jester45: and thumb it all night long babe wheeee :P
[05:23] <Jester45> and only a few of them boot usb
[05:23] <logmein> but they do have usb though
[05:23] <logmein> get a floppy to load the needed usb drivers
[05:23] <logmein> or cd
[05:24] <Jester45> no floppy drives
[05:24] <logmein> cd?
[05:24] <Jester45> nor cd drives
[05:24] <logmein> ethernet?
[05:24] <Jester45> the only ones i found that boot usb have floppy drives
[05:25] <logmein> Jester45: so they also don't have power?... hmm rub two sticks together and create a thermal electric power core?
[05:26] <logmein> but how to do that at bottom of ocean.... I am so lost :P
[05:26] <ruks> hello
[05:27] <Jester45> hi
[05:27] <ruks> i have a question if anyone can help me :)
[05:27] <somerville32> Shoot
[05:27] <ruks> i installed frostwire on ubuntu feisty fawn,but when i go to launch it it says this
[05:27] <ruks> OOPS, your java version is too old [java = 1.4.2-02] 
[05:27] <ruks> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[05:27] <ruks> i already installed the sun java 6 jre from synaptics....
[05:28] <ruks> so how do i update to what i need
[05:28] <logmein> hmm there lot of sun java stuff under synaptic
[05:28] <logmein> I just installed the plugin and it gave me like 100mb of stuffs
[05:28] <Jester45> ruks, did you uninstall version 4?
[05:28] <logmein> yeah that might be a problem too
[05:28] <ruks> no, i thought when i installed the new one it was kinda like an upgrade
[05:29] <ruks> let me try the uninstall
[05:29] <Jester45> i dont think so, try uninstalling java1.4
[05:29] <somerville32> ruks: What happens is that all those versions want to use the same "name" for this commands.
[05:29] <somerville32> What happens is that a program manages possible alternatives for the name.
[05:30] <somerville32> update-alternatives --config java
[05:31] <somerville32> There is a GUI for it
[05:31] <somerville32> !galternatives
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about galternatives - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <somerville32> !galternatives
[05:32] <ruks> it says there are 3 alternative to select from
[05:32] <somerville32> Aye
[05:32] <ruks> i i see it
[05:32] <somerville32> Pick the correct version
[05:32] <ruks> 1.4 is selected
[05:32] <ruks> lol
[05:32] <ruks> u guys rock
[05:32] <somerville32> :)
[05:32] <somerville32> No problem!
[05:32] <somerville32> Always happy to help
[05:34] <ruks> umm
[05:34] <ruks> dont knw much about bugs
[05:35] <ruks> i have tried to install beryl and i tried webilder for my desktop backgrounds,but both crashed my xserver and i had to reconfigure and fix my xorg
[05:35] <ruks> fix those somerville lol
[05:36] <ruks> i do have one problem,i installed amule but when i connect it says kad off and when i go to download the nodes for it in amule it wont let me or kicks me out of the program
[05:38] <ruks> any ideas?cuz i have looked and not found anything
[05:50] <logmein> ruks- umm I use gnutella so no clue how amule works :/
[05:51] <ruks> ok thanks anyway,i just know the search and download is supposed to be alot better on amule
[05:51] <ruks> ive had problems with a few programs on here
[05:51] <Jester45> ruks, you have to get a list from the web
[05:51] <ruks> beryl,amule,webilder
[05:51] <ruks> lol
[05:51] <ruks> ok jester,i looked earlier
[05:51] <Jester45> then after you connect to someone on the list they will update you with mre nodes
[05:51] <ruks> u know where there might be some at?
[05:52] <Jester45> nope
[05:52] <ruks> ok ill look some more
[05:52] <ruks> thanks
[05:59] <somerville32> I'm creating a blog to blog about Xubuntu stuff to put on the Ubuntu planet to help promote Xubuntu community and development. Any ideas for a name?
[06:00] <grumpymole> xublog
[06:00] <Jester45> nope... but do you need hosting?
[06:00] <somerville32> Nope
[06:00] <Jester45> anyone know how to remove a firefox extenstion without opening firefox
[06:02] <somerville32> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Uninstalling_extensions
[06:03] <Jester45> .... i cont open firefox
[06:04] <Jester45> nvm i got it
[06:05] <Jester45> i installed a windows only extenstion
[06:57] <Wiqid_Klow1> I need some help i am having problems trying to install xubuntu on my desktop, it keeps on telling me that the partition has failed to install ext3 on hda
[06:57] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[06:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[07:00] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, how much space does a mirror for the all the iso take?
[07:02] <Jester45> 3 flavors, 2 diffrent archs?, 2 diffrent cd, plus mini iso
[09:19] <Amon-san> hi, i have only 96 MB ram on a machine. can i compensate by assigning more swap space?
[09:24] <crimsun> to a degree, yes
[09:24] <Chikubu> anybody know about old isa sound cards?
[09:29] <Amon-san> crimsun: what would be a sane size?
[09:32] <crimsun> Amon-san: I'd say at least 512 MB
[09:33] <Amon-san> ok, and how many MB/GB would be unreasonable?
[09:34] <Amon-san> i have 2 HDD 10 GB and 8 GB
[10:05] <Chikubu> im running with 196mb on a 486!
[10:15] <xubuntu_user29> can i install the latest nvidia geforce 8800 GTS driver through the Applications menu, or do i have to use terminal?
[10:16] <Chikubu> there is a listing for nvida drivers in add/remove
[10:17] <Chikubu> not sure if yours is in there
[10:17] <Chikubu> think its under system caegory
[10:17] <Chikubu> category
[11:30] <bun-bun> hi, i'm using xubuntu 7.04, and i managed to lose the bars at the top and bottom of my screen.  as such, i can't access the configuration menu anymore-- can someone tell me the name of the app?
[11:30] <bun-bun> the app to change themes etc i mean
[11:31] <Amon-san> xfce4-panel if i remember correctly
[11:32] <Amon-san> (for the bars)
[11:33] <bun-bun> thanks Amon-san , that worked.
[11:33] <Amon-san> you're welcome
[11:33] <bun-bun> i have one issue that i can't figure out
[11:33] <Amon-san> i had the same problem
[11:33] <bun-bun> i'm using xubuntu on my old laptop, and using the touchpad sometimes produces some weird results
[11:34] <Amon-san> like what?
[11:34] <bun-bun> like it would change workspaces
[11:34] <bun-bun> or scroll the current window up and down
[11:34] <Amon-san> oh  i have that on my laptop too. i'm puzzled what the caus eis tho
[11:34] <bun-bun> it's why i started messing with the themes and such
[11:34] <bun-bun> how do you work around it?
[11:34] <Amon-san> use an external usb mouse
[11:34] <bun-bun> for now i've killed all but one workspace to get around the workspace problem
[11:34] <Amon-san> window scrolling when you just want wo move the cursor?
[11:35] <bun-bun> yes
[11:35] <Amon-san> same happens here
[11:35] <Amon-san> must be the touchpad support that is buggy
[11:35] <bun-bun> i'm thinking it's probably a "feature" rather than a bug
[11:35] <Amon-san> hmm
[11:36] <bun-bun> in which case we should be able to disable it somehow... i'm gonna pore over the x config
[11:36] <Amon-san> maybe it's like that generic middleclick that lets you scroll in windows
[11:36] <Amon-san> (MS OS)
[11:36] <Amon-san> i'm not so much into digging deep in the config files
[11:37] <bun-bun> in Settings - Window Manager Tweaks - Workspaces i see a checkbox for "Switch workspaces using the mouse wheel over the desktop" option
[11:38] <bun-bun> gonna disable that
[11:38] <Amon-san> is there a scroll by mouse movement thingie?
[11:38] <bun-bun> i'm still poking around
[11:48] <darrend> bun-bun: it's a feature called "mouse gestures"
[11:48] <darrend> usually dedicated to the margins of your touchpad.
[11:48] <bun-bun> that's the term i was looking for-- how can i disable it?
[11:48] <darrend> I think you can turn it off in the xorg config, but I don't know how.
[11:48] <darrend> is it a synaptic touchpad?
[11:49] <darrend> google will probably know
[11:49] <bun-bun> i couldn't tell you offhand
[11:49] <bun-bun> let me look.. it's an old hp omnibook xe2
[11:51] <darrend> bun-bun: what's in your xorg.conf as the driver in the "InputDevice" sections?
[11:51] <darrend> that will tell you
[11:52] <darrend> there are some options here to control the touchpad that may or may not work:
[11:52] <darrend> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad#Edit_xorg.conf
[11:56] <bun-bun> looks like it's using ImPS/2
[11:57] <bun-bun> i take that back, it must be detecting as synaptics
[02:20] <test3r> anyone around?  Sheep, u there? I got that 3COM wifi to test with, & it says it's working it's just not connecting
[02:21] <test3r> I have this sneaking suspicion that my router is blocking me on purpose because it is the same host name/ dif mac addy? Could it b doing that? My MAC access control is currently disabled on my router for obvious reasons (it is not a secure anything anymore)
[02:21] <test3r> anything anyone can input will help im sure
[02:23] <test3r> !host
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about host - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <test3r> !dns name
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns name - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <test3r> !dhcp host
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dhcp host - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <test3r> OK apparently that setting is in the Networking options - i musta forgot. I'll try changing that see if it psyches it out
[02:29] <test3r> OK - i went to my router config - and it says the wifi laptop is connected as attached device.
[02:29] <test3r> so something is wrong in the setup then.  =(  what would I need to -
[02:29] <test3r> !wifi
[02:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:30] <test3r> LoLs - theres an entry for "wifi w/ someone Elses router"
[02:39] <homebrewcider> can someone help me please, my windows and xubuntu feisy installs can't agree on a time, when I alter the time in one it screws up the time in the other
[02:46] <test3r> when trying to use windows on the same drive, durring setup, one should respond to "YES, my BIOS clock is set to local time"
[02:47] <test3r> Not UTC
[02:49] <homebrewcider> ah, can I change that now?
[02:52] <test3r> Im not sure Ive never had to post-install. You should look for "time type change" or the such. or maybe "buntu UTC to Local"
[02:52] <test3r> that way if there is an ubuntu article about it it will show up
[02:55] <homebrewcider> got it mate, it's here, cheers    http://lilandra.com/blog/archives/category/linux/
[03:31] <topcat1027> my panels disappeared on my desktop... how can i get them back?
[03:35] <predaeus_> topcat1027, try running xfce4-panel
[03:36] <topcat1027> how do i do that?
[03:36] <predaeus_> Applications/Accessories/Terminal   type in xfce4-panel   hit enter
[03:38] <topcat1027> all right sweet thanks
[03:39] <topcat1027> how do i make it so it starts up from the beginning
[03:39] <topcat1027> is it in bin?
[03:39] <topcat1027> and for some reason the panel closed when i closed terminal
[03:39] <topcat1027> actually i'm using konsole, but that shouldn't make a difference, right?
[03:40] <predaeus_> topcat1027, xfce should start it by default, you could add it to Applications/Settings/Autostarted Applications
[03:41] <iwkse> topcat1027: you can avoid to use a terminal to launch the panel
[03:41] <iwkse> topcat1027: instead use alt-f2
[03:41] <topcat1027> i just type in xfce4-panel as the command?
[03:41] <iwkse> and write xfce4-panel
[03:42] <topcat1027> ok sweet
[03:42] <topcat1027> so in the autostarted apps if i write xfce4-panel as the command i should be ok?
[03:43] <iwkse> take a look at xfce shorcuts system. it rocks
[03:44] <topcat1027> where can i take  alook
[03:44] <topcat1027> !xfce shortcut system
[03:45] <iwkse> settings->keyboard settings
[03:48] <topcat1027> cool, thanks dudes
[03:58] <topcat1027> i'm trying to get some of the icons of my desktop in desktop settings, but even when i uncheck them they stay there
[04:09] <topcat1027> how can i change the color of my panels?
[04:09] <topcat1027> or make them transparent like in gnome
[04:09] <test3r> i cant ping my router.
[04:09] <test3r> my wifi is up and should be going fine as can be- but it refuses to connect
[04:13] <iwkse> topcat1027: it's everthing under settings
[04:14] <topcat1027> where in the settings? when i click customize panel there's nothing about color or transparency
[04:31] <rahim123> anyone here know how to make Gaim's automatically connect and disconnect based on network status?
[04:31] <rahim123> using Networkmanager in Ubuntu 7.04
[05:10] <test3r> ok i found one file to change
[05:11] <test3r> but then i found i had to change somehting rly deep kus i maybe got a old old wifi card im trying now
[05:11] <test3r> & i got too much setup. dont wana break it, rly
[05:11] <TheSheep> make backup
[05:12] <TheSheep> !u | test3r
[05:12] <ubotu> test3r: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[05:12] <test3r> even works for  /etc/pcmcia/config.opts ??? if i change that it will still start in recovery?
[05:12] <test3r> so that i can cp the bakup bak over it?
[05:13] <test3r> no, u   ;p
[05:13] <TheSheep> rly, bbqwtf lol
[05:14] <test3r> OK, but how do i find a manfid for the card?
[05:14] <test3r> hpoj !
[05:14] <TheSheep> manfid?
[05:14] <test3r> (holy piece of jeremy)
[05:15] <test3r> yes i have to hard code in the (manufaturers id?) of the thing
[05:15] <test3r> heh
[05:15] <TheSheep> lspci?
[05:15] <test3r> and iwconfig doesnt shot whta
[05:15] <TheSheep> /proc/bus/... ?
[05:16] <test3r> ok - now that ur here lemme boot er up with that bak in it. my old net works after just copying bak old file & using simple GUI network settings to diable/reenable connect
[05:18] <test3r> lol my interface is working even with 'wlan0' still enabled in a file
[05:19] <test3r> (my orig madwifi drivers use ath0 and wifi0)
[05:25] <test3r> ok
[05:25] <test3r> when i run "sudo pccardctl ident" i get "socket 0: no product info available"
[05:25] <test3r> but i iknow what drivers im using and they appear to be loaded
[05:26] <test3r> and they should be the correct ones. i have "wmaster0" and "wlan0" showing up- BUT- they say i have bad network ID and bad encryp - even though all i have to do is switch out cards - leave all names / passes intact, and then I have net
[05:26] <test3r> i tried spoofing the mac now too
[05:27] <test3r> no dice
[05:27] <test3r> but maybe i need to add er into this last bit
[05:27] <test3r> but i need a manufacuter id    =(
[05:28] <test3r> it says in your FAQ if i get no output from that test - the memory of the card cannot be read.
[05:28] <test3r> thats the sucks.
[05:29] <test3r> is it because it is broke? or just very old? i wonder which it is
[05:33] <test3r> I hope this info helps us fix something    =)
[05:34] <test3r> OK - also -
[05:34] <test3r> i just checked  /bin/dmesg  , and it says it is authenticating with AP success and associated too
[05:35] <test3r> which is a good sign
[06:13] <Tenaciousmetal> can someone help me?
[06:13] <Tenaciousmetal> i have some problem with usb
[06:13] <Tenaciousmetal> and permissions
[06:14] <predaeus_> just ask and give details, usb problems should not be limited to xubuntu, you could also ask in #ubuntu since xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu should share the same usb backends
[06:16] <topcat1027> hi, i was messing with the windows effects tweaks, and the column on the far right, i forget what it's called, but i checked it, and everything froze... when i restarted nothing will load. i get to the splash screen, log in, but nothing comes up, just a blank screen with the mouse
[06:18] <Tenaciousmetal> when i insert a usb pndrive
[06:18] <Tenaciousmetal> the icon appear on the desktop
[06:18] <TheSheep> !beryl | topcat1027
[06:18] <ubotu> topcat1027: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:18] <Tenaciousmetal> but then i have to manually mount it
[06:18] <Tenaciousmetal> with sudo privileges
[06:19] <Tenaciousmetal> so in thunar the pen drive
[06:19] <Tenaciousmetal> can only be read
[06:20] <topcat1027> i'm on xubuntu
[06:20] <topcat1027> or was
[06:20] <topcat1027> right now i'm on a different computer
[06:20] <TheSheep> Tenaciousmetal: are you using the defult use that was created during installation, or a newly created one?
[06:20] <topcat1027> cuz my xubuntu one isn't working
[06:20] <Tenaciousmetal> a new one with my name
[06:20] <TheSheep> topcat1027: I think the #ubuntu-effects is for all kinds of *ubuntu
[06:21] <TheSheep> Tenaciousmetal: then add yourself to groups allowing you to mount the devices
[06:21] <Tenaciousmetal> is there a wiki on how to do that?sorry i'm new
[06:22] <topcat1027> i was in window manager tweaks, i selected compositor, then check enable display compositing
[06:23] <TheSheep> !groups
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about groups - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <TheSheep> hmmm...
[06:24] <TheSheep> !users | Tenaciousmetal
[06:24] <ubotu> Tenaciousmetal: To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "admin" - See !sudo
[06:24] <topcat1027> nevermind, got it all figgered out, thanks dudes
[06:25] <Tenaciousmetal> many thanks
[06:25] <TheSheep> Tenaciousmetal: they don't discuss the groups in detail there :/
[08:03] <gerro> hello
[08:04] <BFTD> hey
[08:11] <sigmamu188> hi
[08:18] <gerro> sigmamu188: how things going
[08:19] <sigmamu188> gerro: well, and you?
[08:20] <gerro> ah fine
[08:20] <gerro> just testing out this linksys wusb54gs wireless adapter, supposedly have to edit the power settings to get it working
[08:21] <sigmamu188> gerro: so i can assume it is working?
[08:21] <gerro> sigmamu188: you have any trouble burning cds?
[08:21] <gerro> oh yeah its going fine just tuning up the performance
[08:22] <sigmamu188> gerro: not really, still looking for a good dvd burning software
[08:22] <gerro> I use k3b and xfburn usually
[08:22] <gerro> but my laptop doesn't seem to want to burn cds
[08:23] <gerro> think I did a few back when I was on edgy.. can't quite remember
[08:23] <gerro> hmm maybe that the other computer I'm thinking of
[08:24] <gerro> sigmamu188: you game much on wine?
[08:24] <sigmamu188> No
[08:24] <sigmamu188> I gtg
[08:26] <gerro> aww didn't get to say goodbye
[08:48] <feliciano> Hi... I've a problem with my pendrive... Always I try to delete all the files Xubuntu create a folder called ".trash-1000" and never get all the free space
[08:48] <feliciano> Please Help me
[08:49] <feliciano> obody got this problem
[08:49] <feliciano> ??
[08:51] <servaas-xubuntu-> hoi
[08:52] <gerro> feliciano: actually the .trash-1000 I think is created by a windows computer
[08:52] <feliciano> gerro... I dont think that... I got this when I try to delete files
[08:53] <gerro> feliciano: well usually I delete the files then remove them from trash and unmount the drive
[08:53] <gerro> when you remount it won't have those files
[08:53] <feliciano> Let me see
[08:55] <servaas-xubuntu-> de number 1000 is the user id ?
[08:55] <feliciano> gerro in properties I see 118 Mb free space... and the USB pendrive is 1 Gb...
[08:57] <servaas-xubuntu-> also deleted files on a pendrive and xfce ? placed a .trash-1000 on my stick with all the files in it some protection i think
[08:58] <feliciano> servaas-xubuntu- same problem here
[08:58] <gerro> yeah usually systems don't delete files permanently just mark them to be overwrited
[08:58] <gerro> but that shouldn't be factored into your free space
[08:58] <servaas-xubuntu-> it is a protection thing in xfce
[08:59] <servaas-xubuntu-> if i remember it right i did a sudo rm or something or emptied the trash
[09:00] <zials> mhmm, well, I just cut/paste the .trash1000 folder into my trash
[09:00] <servaas-xubuntu-> and then it was gone
[09:00] <gerro> emptying your recycle bin thing probably would delete the .trash file on your usb I suppose
[09:01] <servaas-xubuntu-> and if you remove de .trash you get a new .trash in a .trash and so on
[09:01] <feliciano> zials... cut and paste work?? get you all free space??
[09:01] <zials> yup...
[09:02] <zials> or, I think it did...
[09:02] <zials> give it a shot, its only trash ;)
[09:04] <feliciano> I'm deleting .trash-1000 folder from thunar as root (sudo thunar) but It's taking a lot of time
[09:08] <feliciano> somebody use drivel???
[09:14] <feliciano> I got segmentation fault when I run drivel ... some idea??
[09:21] <Lectus> Hello
[09:21] <Lectus> How can I install my webcam on Xubuntu?
[09:21] <predaeus_> !cam | Lectus
[09:21] <ubotu> Lectus: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:23] <rijo> Ive just installed xubuntu on my workstation, but the fps for my screen are so sucky, and i cannot choose higher fps in settings for the screen res.. how can i change the fps and is there any tool/driver i need to get better peformance?
[09:26] <predaeus_> rijo, what gfx card?
[09:27] <rijo> predaeus_: geforce4 ti
[09:27] <rijo> ive installed the restricted drivers for nvidia
[09:28] <maxamillion> rijo: did you configure X after you installed them or just install them?
[09:28] <rijo> maxamillion: i jsut installed em, whats the command to reconfigure x?
[09:28] <predaeus_> also I think you need the legacy restricted drivers
[09:29] <maxamillion> rijo: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and tell it to use the driver called "nvidia" instead of "nv" or "vesa" (which is what i assume is being used now)
[09:29] <maxamillion> rijo: then when you restart X, there should be a nvidia logo that shows right before you see the login window
[09:30] <rijo> maxamillion: according to xorg.conf the driver atm is "nvidia"
[09:30] <maxamillion> rijo: interesting
[09:30] <maxamillion> rijo: when you boot your computer, do you see a nvidia logo before the login screen?
[09:31] <Lectus> predaeus_, I installed easycam2 from that instructions, but when I type lauchcam2 it says:  ImportError: No module named gnome.ui
[09:31] <rijo> maxamillion: nop, but i see in xorg.conf that NoLogo option is "Trur" so that aint strange :P
[09:31] <Lectus> and doesn't start the .py file
[09:31] <rijo> true*
[09:31] <maxamillion> rijo: ah, ok
[09:31] <maxamillion> rijo: i like seeing the logo so i know nothing get messed up (sometimes updates/upgrades mess with your config files)
[09:32] <predaeus_> Lectus, oh no, looks like they based that on gnome things. Looks like you need to install some gnome python libs for that to work
[09:32] <Lectus> what libs?
[09:32] <rijo> maxamillion: under section monitor it just say "standard screen" and no identifyer
[09:33] <predaeus_> Lectus, I don't know, the one that holds gnome.ui.py or whatever (not sure how python is made up)
[09:33] <predaeus_> Lectus, use apt-file to search what package is providing this
[09:33] <predaeus_> Lectus, or http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:33] <maxamillion> rijo: that's fine ... it generally just gives that some random name
[09:34] <rijo> ok
[09:40] <Lectus> predaeus_, I'm installing the python-gnome2-dev... I guess it must be this package
[09:40] <Lectus> yes... it worked
[09:40] <predaeus_> good :-)
[09:41] <rijo> what was the command to reconfigure x u said?
[09:41] <Lectus> now, the problem is with easycam =\
[09:41] <maxamillion> rijo: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:41] <Lectus> it gives me an error when making the driver
[09:45] <rijo> how i restart x from consol?
[09:46] <rijo> dounf it
[09:46] <rijo> found it*
[09:47] <servaas-xubuntu1> .trash-1000
[09:50] <kilonux> hello!
[09:51] <kilonux> need help with my lan network connection
[09:52] <hyper_ch> In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?
[09:52] <maxamillion> kilonux: what's up?
[09:53] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I guess it's not working for hime ;)
[09:53] <servaas-xubuntu1> repartitioned formatted pendrive ... placed 1 file in it  and removed it  then the file is in the .trash-1000 and also in de the trash after emptying the trash the file is gone in both the trash and the .trash-1000 on the pendrive
[09:53] <kilonux> i talk to you through windows.... because xubuntu dont connect no more
[09:54] <hyper_ch> kilonux: this means it did work at some point?
[09:54] <TheSheep> servaas-xubuntu1: that's correct behavior, according to the freedesktop.org specification
[09:54] <maxamillion> kilonux: do you connect wirelessly? ... dhcp, static, proxy?
[09:55] <hyper_ch> hiho TheSheep maxamillion
[09:55] <maxamillion> hi hyper_ch
[09:55] <kilonux> ethernet
[09:56] <kilonux> and there is a router
[09:57] <maxamillion> kilonux: yeah ... should just connect
[09:57] <servaas-xubuntu1> but removing the .trash-1000 on the pendrive respawns (?) another .trash-1000 with the previous .trash-1000 in it  removing this creates a new .trash-1000 so it will always exist and theorethically you can fill up the drive with removed .trash-1000 ?
[09:57] <kilonux> where could i find help to fix that?
[09:59] <servaas-xubuntu1> what is standard ethernet setup for internet ...
[10:00] <kilonux> dont ask me...
[10:00] <servaas-xubuntu1> hehe
[10:00] <vbanait> any abbr. expander like autohotkey or phrase express for ububuntu
[10:03] <servaas-xubuntu1> is de hardware not damaged . every needed cable connected . the correct driver installed . the services devices protocols correctly configured . etc
[10:04] <kilonux> it works when I boot win
[10:04] <TheSheep> servaas-xubuntu1: remove that .trash while holding down shift
[10:05] <servaas-xubuntu1> i ll try that thegeek eeh i mean the sheep thanks
[10:05] <servaas-xubuntu1> works
[10:06] <servaas-xubuntu1> but if i remove another file in future it will be back i think
[10:07] <servaas-xubuntu1> i have only experience with wifi
[10:07] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux what about ifconfig in terminal ?
[10:08] <kilonux> it looks fine
[10:09] <servaas-xubuntu1> do you want internet connection or something else ?
[10:09] <kilonux> only internet
[10:09] <kilonux> but my internet box has a router
[10:09] <kilonux> activated
[10:09] <TheSheep> servaas-xubuntu1: I'm not sure about it, but there may be a way to disable trash for specified volumes...
[10:10] <servaas-xubuntu1> you tried the menu-system-network program ?
[10:10] <kilonux> yes
[10:10] <servaas-xubuntu1> what did you do there ?
[10:10] <kilonux> it's on automatic
[10:10] <servaas-xubuntu1> what is on automatic ?
[10:11] <kilonux> ip
[10:11] <kilonux> i think
[10:12] <kilonux> or I'll have to reeboot and have a closer look
[10:13] <TheSheep> servaas-xubuntu1: the spec says that you can create a .Trash directory and then it will be used instead...
[10:13] <servaas-xubuntu1> the sheep in my /home/user/.trash?
[10:14] <TheSheep> servaas-xubuntu1: no, on the device
[10:14] <TheSheep> servaas-xubuntu1: I see no option to disable it
[10:14] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux what about the other tabs in network program ?
[10:14] <TheSheep> servaas-xubuntu1: maybe you'll have more luck: http://www.ramendik.ru/docs/trashspec.html
[10:15] <kilonux> what should I look for?
[10:17] <servaas-xubuntu1> the sheep the trash function can not be disabled because of the stupid user deleting important stuff developer said somewhere on internet  readed it a minute or 10 ago dont no where
[10:18] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux i have no experience with eternet just putting your eyes on it mayby you recognised something
[10:20] <servaas-xubuntu1> who is succesfull in setting up ethernet and wants to help kilonux kilonux wants some www on his system
[10:22] <kilonux> thanks servaas,, BTW: how do you insert a name in front of your line?
[10:22] <kilonux> i'm newbie...
[10:23] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux i dont know how your network card is talking to your router
[10:24] <servaas-xubuntu1> /etc/resolv.conf there isomething to do with your problem
[10:24] <kilonux> windows knows
[10:24] <kilonux> sorry to say...
[10:24] <servaas-xubuntu1> howto name simple typing name text
[10:24] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: ???
[10:24] <servaas-xubuntu1> ?
[10:25] <servaas-xubuntu1> what is hyper
[10:25] <hyper_ch> --> [22:24]  <servaas-xubuntu1> howto name simple typing name text
[10:25] <kilonux> but I d need years to type yours...
[10:25] <servaas-xubuntu1> make it ser
[10:26] <servaas-xubuntu1> SER
[10:26] <servaas-xubuntu1> i know you are talking to me
[10:27] <servaas-xubuntu1> so kilonux you have a dual boot system with winxp and xubuntu ?
[10:27] <andre_chinfrim> i've just installed xubuntu 7.04 i386, and it has a little problem: it recognizes my USB speakers but there is no sound... help me please.
[10:28] <hyper_ch> andre_chinfrim: does it recognize your audio card?
[10:28] <andre_chinfrim> yes
[10:29] <servaas-xubuntu1> hyper do you know something about setting up internet connection trough eternetcard and router ?
[10:29] <targo> Hello i got a laptop with two monitor screen output. Both screen works however they show the same desktop view output on the screens. What happens on screen #1 is also viewed at screen #2. How can i have two independent displays. (Xubuntu xorg, xfce)
[10:30] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: well, switch router to dhcp if you want to... set your computer to dhcp.... connect them with a cable and it works
[10:30] <hyper_ch> !multi
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <hyper_ch> !monitor
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <hyper_ch> !video
[10:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[10:31] <targo> Hmm?
[10:32] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux well, switch router to dhcp if you want to... set your computer to dhcp.... connect them with a cable and it works
[10:32] <hyper_ch> but then I prefer static IPs
[10:32] <kilonux> if I want to.....   yes I'll try....
[10:33] <servaas-xubuntu1> well kilonux has the problem
[10:34] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: why do you ask then?
[10:34] <servaas-xubuntu1> ok hyper what ... to type where ... ? step by step ( sorry stealing your  time)
[10:34] <servaas-xubuntu1> because kilonux do not ask id it for him
[10:35] <TheSheep> !xinerama | hyper_ch
[10:35] <servaas-xubuntu1> he is a little bit passive but that is because of the big geeks here
[10:35] <ubotu> hyper_ch: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:35] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that wasn't for me ;)
[10:36] <hyper_ch> !xinerama | targo
[10:36] <ubotu> targo: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:36] <targo> hyper_ch, thanks to i would have two different views on each monitor? (Not the same desktop)
[10:37] <targo> hyper_ch, what do i do with sis
[10:37] <hyper_ch> targo: no clue... I have one monitor and that one works just fine ;)
[10:37] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: ???
[10:37] <servaas-xubuntu1> yes
[10:38] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux talk ...
[10:38] <servaas-xubuntu1> ask for help
[10:38] <kilonux> i dont really know what to say anymore...
[10:39] <servaas-xubuntu1> :-)
[10:39] <kilonux> :)
[10:40] <kilonux> i'm looking at my router
[10:40] <hyper_ch> kilonux: what is the problem?
[10:40] <kilonux> xubuntu no connexion win yes
[10:41] <kilonux> dual boot
[10:41] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux you want an internet connection with your powerfull ethernet card and your router but you dont know how you want help
[10:41] <kilonux> it worked automatically since xubuntu install
[10:41] <hyper_ch> kilonux: is the router set to dhcp? is the network connection in ubuntu activated and is it set to dhcp?
[10:42] <kilonux> Im looking at it
[10:42] <servaas-xubuntu1> as  kilonux ... how do i set router to dhcp ?
[10:43] <servaas-xubuntu1> as kilonux is that a hardware button/switch or is it a software setting and where is it ?
[10:43] <kilonux> i think it is a thing like this:
[10:44] <servaas-xubuntu1> :-)
[10:44] <kilonux> NAT router giving not routable dhcp adresses
[10:44] <kilonux> i dont understand all that,
[10:45] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux how do you get that info ?
[10:45] <kilonux> soft
[10:45] <hyper_ch> kilonux: can you upload a screenshot?
[10:46] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux im playing you to ask the right questions
[10:46] <kilonux> my internet provider has  a page for this
[10:46] <kilonux> do you speak phrench?
[10:46] <hyper_ch> !fr | kilonux
[10:46] <ubotu> kilonux: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:46] <servaas-xubuntu1> non je ne parle pas francais
[10:47] <hyper_ch> je parle franais mais c'est a canal anglais dedans
[10:47] <kilonux> i've been there but they are busy
[10:48] <kilonux> hyper   do you know freebox?
[10:48] <hyper_ch> kilonux: I don't konw freebox
[10:49] <kilonux> tv telephone and internet in one pack
[10:49] <hyper_ch> kilonux: well, I don't know it
[10:50] <servaas-xubuntu1> how do i set router to dhcp ? is that a hardware button/switch or is it a software setting and where is it ?
[10:50] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: normally a software setting
[10:51] <kilonux> servaas  I should not try to answer .... but I think hyper is correct
[10:52] <servaas-xubuntu1> ok and where is it ? is it in the menu-system-network program ?
[10:52] <hyper_ch> kilonux: when write names, use the "tab" button to complete the names... that way the people will be highlighted and they know they are directly spoken to
[10:52] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: for the router it's in the router config.... for the computer it's either in a file config - if you want to edit config files - or in the network settings
[10:53] <kilonux> hyper_ch: thanks
[10:53] <servaas-xubuntu1> where can i find router config
[10:54] <servaas-xubuntu1> in /etc/router.conf ?
[10:54] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: depends on the router
[10:54] <hyper_ch> normally you enter the router IP in a browser
[10:54] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: maybe you need to use a special port
[10:55] <servaas-xubuntu1>  kilonux readed that ? enter the ip of the router in the browser and set router to dhcp
[10:56] <kilonux> read that
[10:56] <hyper_ch> kilonux: well, read the user manual that you got with your router... it should say in there
[10:57] <hyper_ch> kilonux: but by default dhcp is enabled on a router I tend to think
[10:57] <servaas-xubuntu1> now we are rolling
[10:57] <kilonux> but how comes it just one day stopped working?
[10:58] <hyper_ch> kilonux: dunno... did you restart the router after it stopped working?
[10:58] <kilonux> yes
[10:59] <hyper_ch> kilonux: that didn't help?
[10:59] <kilonux> I must reeboot!
[11:02] <servaas-xubuntu1> ok hyper what is the next step after setting router to dhcp
[11:02] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux have fun with reboot hahaha
[11:03] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: setting the computer to dhcp
[11:03] <kilonux> servaas-xubuntu1: not yet
[11:03] <servaas-xubuntu1> ok we will wait for kilonux for the next step ok ? else we ave to type twice
[11:04] <servaas-xubuntu1> ave = have
[11:04] <servaas-xubuntu1> ok he is still here
[11:04] <servaas-xubuntu1> ok hyper the next step (funny this)
[11:05] <kilonux> sorry guys I'll have to continue tomorrow, I've got thins to study with this..  and i need sleep.
[11:05] <kilonux> things
[11:05] <servaas-xubuntu1> well kilonux make an appointment whit hyper ...
[11:05] <hyper_ch> servaas-xubuntu1: you should also highlight
[11:05] <kilonux> prefer mail
[11:06] <servaas-xubuntu1> for help with the other step
[11:06] <servaas-xubuntu1> hyper_ch: highligt
[11:08] <servaas-xubuntu1> kilonux: try to make an appointment with hyper for the next steps setting up your internet by irc mail real life jabber whatever
[11:09] <kilonux> i give my email address to hyper here?  will you copy it hyper
[11:11] <kilonux> or here some other night? I'm not sure for tomorrow
[11:11] <servaas-xubuntu1> O:-)
[11:11] <kilonux> ?
[11:12] <servaas-xubuntu1> right clickin a chatname in user list gives ability to send personal message
[11:13] <servaas-xubuntu1> O:-)
[11:13] <kilonux> aha!
[11:13] <servaas-xubuntu1> O:-)