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| cbx33 | ping LaserJock | 02:23 |
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| testing | can somebody help me to enable local devices on ltsp 5? | 02:45 |
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| testting | can somebody help me to enable local devices on ltsp 5? | 02:59 |
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes | ||
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| LaserJock | moquist! | 05:25 |
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes | ||
| === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Fri Apr 20 12:03:08 2007 | ||
| moquist | LaserJock! | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | moquist: how's it going? | 06:43 |
| moquist | LaserJock: I'm at the Gould FOSSED ATM, so pretty hectic. ;) | 06:43 |
| moquist | LaserJock: did you see the reply from Isaac (debian moodle packager)? | 06:43 |
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| moquist | LaserJock: do you know the answer to my above question? :) | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | moquist: I don't think I did see it | 06:50 |
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| greg_g | is anyone here that knows who to tell to change something on the official edubuntu website? | 07:11 |
| greg_g | it is just a dead link | 07:11 |
| greg_g | well, anyways, on the screenshots page, the last section "Off-site Screenshots" the link to the OSDir "screenshot tour" is no longer valid | 07:13 |
| greg_g | but this is the correct link: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=784&slide=3 | 07:14 |
| greg_g | whoops: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=784&slide=1 | 07:14 |
| greg_g | ping ogra, LaserJock, and stgraber (the only people I know who I believe are team leads) read above | 07:16 |
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| LaserJock | greg_g: got it | 07:22 |
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| moquist | LaserJock: I got it figured out. I had the wrong nfsroot param. | 07:28 |
| moquist | ogra: I figured out the answer; reading linux-src/Documentation/nfsroot.txt was enough. :) | 07:28 |
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| pygi | LaserJock, congrats | 11:43 |
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| willvdl | highvoltage, did elmo do anything about the webserver? | 12:23 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: guess. | 12:28 |
| willvdl | harumph | 12:28 |
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| ogra | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/003503.html | 12:58 |
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| RichEd | highvoltage: ping | 01:11 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: pong | 01:11 |
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| cberlo | Anyone find a good workaround for the broken CUPS server? | 02:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | cberlo, in what way? | 02:07 |
| cberlo | CUPS hits some kind of error and starts spitting out "Unable to accept connection" at about 100 messages a minute (or more). Restarting the service fixes it, but it returns later. | 02:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i think i know the bug, but i dont know a fix | 02:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bug/feature/problem | 02:08 |
| cberlo | My fix so far has been to use a cron job to see if the error exists every 15 minutes and restart the service. Just wondering if a more frequent check would work or just cause system lag. | 02:09 |
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| cberlo | Alright. guess I'll try the tweak it and see approach. :) | 02:18 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 03:49 |
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| cottima | anyone ever done an edubuntu install on a scsi hdd? | 07:16 |
| === ogra did one to a usb DH if that counts | ||
| ogra | *HD | 07:18 |
| ogra | yesterday ... | 07:18 |
| cottima | why is there no ltsp 5 documentation or am I looking in the wrong areas? | 07:18 |
| ogra | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-May/001059.html | 07:19 |
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| cottima | It does not specify 5.0, some of it seemed to be for prior versions of ltsp5.0 | 07:22 |
| ogra | all that listed there is for ltsp5 | 07:23 |
| juliux | ogra, congratulations for the new ltsp5 | 07:23 |
| ogra | juliux, thanks, i see you read planet :) | 07:23 |
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| juliux | ogra, sure, i will setup my test systems tomorrow so i can see if it is true with 44secs;) | 07:23 |
| ogra | i was to lazy to do my tech update n the meeting today, so i can just post the blog url :) | 07:23 |
| ogra | juliux, thats on a T150 from disklessworkstations.com | 07:24 |
| ogra | i havent tested the T1220 yet but it should be around the same | 07:24 |
| juliux | ogra, i will test it on the transtec one;) | 07:24 |
| Shadow31 | I'm having a problem with my Edubuntu LTSP thin client network. I can log any account on fine from the server itself, but users can't log in from the workstations. Any ideas? | 07:25 |
| stgraber | ltsp-update-keys (IIRC), that looks like a bad ssh signature | 07:26 |
| cottima | ogra, excuse my moments then, I am bit upset with ltsp.org for not doing much documentation. My opinion: I think that they should host all documentation. | 07:26 |
| ogra | cottima, well, with ltsp5 thats rather a job of the distros for the distro specific parts at least ... | 07:27 |
| cliebow_ | cottima:things are devloping wicked fast..but point taken..we need someone to grab that project and run witit | 07:27 |
| ogra | ltsp itself will only be caring for the ltsp scripts in the future ... | 07:27 |
| ogra | common stuff like lts.conf options etc should g to ltsp.org ... but things that relate to apt shuldnt be in redhat docs ;) | 07:28 |
| cliebow_ | red what? | 07:28 |
| ogra | heh | 07:29 |
| cliebow_ | k..i need to crawl back to the hole Gadi left for me when he went to Betherl | 07:29 |
| cottima | that is kind of what I mean. (If I understand ltsp 5,) The scripts and "user end" part should be documented on their site, yet I think they should mirror the docs. (Although, most of what I say is out of frustration.) | 07:29 |
| cliebow_ | Balls! | 07:29 |
| ogra | cottima, well, you are surely right ... we're lacking a bit manpower at ltsp.org for fixing the docs .. as you can see from my mail its not different in (ed)ubuntu either | 07:30 |
| juliux | ogra, should i upgrade my feisty to gutsy or better make a fresh gutsy installation? | 07:32 |
| cottima | I guess I should shut up for now, since I have no time being in school. Then I should contribute to a project by helping in making docs. | 07:32 |
| cottima | I am having trouble with installing to a scsi hdd on the desktop and server cd. | 07:33 |
| ogra | juliux, as you like, both should work ... but rebuild the client ... | 07:33 |
| juliux | ogra, ok | 07:33 |
| ogra | cottima, well, thats not really an ltsp related problem i would think | 07:33 |
| ogra | whats the error you get ? | 07:34 |
| Shadow31 | Thanks, stgraber! I tried updating the keys and it worked. | 07:35 |
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| cottima | ogra, "unable to determine geometry of file/device. You should not use Parted unless you REALLY know what you're doing!" then after a few buttons. It will not go to the partitioning tool (listing the dev and its partiton layout). | 07:36 |
| ogra | on the server/alternate Cd as well ? | 07:36 |
| juliux | ogra, i will make a fresh installation | 07:37 |
| ogra | juliux, tribe1 and upgrading should be fine i guess | 07:37 |
| cottima | orgra, Both Edubuntu's Desktop cd and Server cd do the same thing. | 07:37 |
| ogra | did you look at launchpad if there are known bugs ? | 07:37 |
| cottima | ogra:no | 07:38 |
| cliebow_ | cottima:that a raid controller? | 07:39 |
| cottima | I think, only has two drive bays | 07:40 |
| cliebow_ | so it seems it is borking recognizing the comtroller? | 07:41 |
| cottima | cliebow_ somewhat, it shows "/dev/ida/c0d0 = 0B0 Compaq Smart Array" in "[!!] Partition Disks" | 07:43 |
| cottima | it sees it, but does not want to work | 07:43 |
| ogra | cottima, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/110585 | 07:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 110585 in linux-source-2.6.20 "7.04 Server install fails on Compaq Proliant DL360" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 07:46 |
| cottima | ogra, wow, the exact model too! thank you | 07:46 |
| ogra | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2321786#post2321786 | 07:47 |
| ogra | that looks like a workaround | 07:47 |
| cottima | going to try it. | 07:49 |
| cottima | if it works then it looks like I burned server for no reason since I had a desktop cd already. | 07:50 |
| ogra | there is no expert mode on the desktop CD ... | 07:51 |
| cliebow_ | cottima, maybe selll it on the black market 8~) | 07:51 |
| ogra | the woraround seems to use the expert mode | 07:51 |
| cottima | you mean to M$, so they can make an agreement the way they really want? | 07:51 |
| cliebow_ | heh | 07:54 |
| cliebow_ | this is a family channel... | 07:55 |
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| svg | Hi folks | 08:00 |
| svg | I just read http://www.grawert.net/weblog.cgi/2007/06/20#2007-0620_17:54:20_LTSP_is_dead,_long_live_LTSP which made me come here | 08:00 |
| svg | I haven't used LTSP technology yet, and before I dive into it, I wanted to get some feedback | 08:01 |
| ogra | shoot | 08:01 |
| svg | I was wondering about performance of remote X stuff | 08:01 |
| svg | I once did a remote DMCP X session from laptop to desktop, over my home lan hub, and that was painfully slow | 08:01 |
| svg | so I'm wondering how LTSP is different | 08:01 |
| ogra | you should have a switch and you should have a 100MBit network | 08:02 |
| svg | 100mbit I had | 08:02 |
| svg | it was no switch, but it was the only traffic on my home lan at the time | 08:02 |
| ogra | well, thats usually sufficient to run a bunch of ltsp clients on ... | 08:02 |
| svg | well, it wasn't :) | 08:03 |
| svg | I tend to compare with other technologies such as windows remote desktop, citrix and freenx, which are extrremely performant at what they do | 08:03 |
| ogra | what did you run on your laptop when you tried that ? | 08:03 |
| ogra | note that LTSP is rather like an embedded system that only starts X server and login manager on the client side | 08:04 |
| svg | both hosts were runining plain ubuntu, the laptop is a very recent box | 08:05 |
| ogra | well, try out ltsp and check yourself :) | 08:06 |
| ogra | many people use it happily on 100MBit networks :) | 08:06 |
| sbalneav | ogra: heh, saw the bloggy post. | 08:07 |
| svg | well, I'm sure it's good stuff, i'm just curious on the technicall differences | 08:07 |
| sbalneav | Excellent. | 08:07 |
| sbalneav | I'll make one too :) | 08:07 |
| ogra | yeah | 08:08 |
| ogra | svg, the DIRECTX mode i blogged about isnt much different from standard XDMCP (apart from password encryption) | 08:10 |
| ogra | the encrypted mode we use by default does essentially: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession | 08:11 |
| svg | ogra, ok, I'll read into this, this stuff is new for me | 08:14 |
| cliebow_ | Rockin! | 08:15 |
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| cliebow_ | ogra:want a couple spellcheck fixes for your blog..prob not.. | 08:18 |
| cliebow_ | ogra: so .tsp-server-standalone should be like 5.0.18? apt-get install says latest version at 5.0.7..but i suppose this is still feisty.. | 08:31 |
| ogra | cliebow_, likely if you didnt fix that yet | 08:32 |
| ogra | and it should be 5.0.17 | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | hi ogra | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | hi sbalneav | 08:34 |
| sbalneav | Hey LaserJock! | 08:34 |
| ogra | hey hey | 08:34 |
| sbalneav | Show us your magical new powerzzz, and upload some packages! | 08:35 |
| ogra | yeah, break gcompris and unbreak it again just to show off :) | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | heh | 08:36 |
| ogra | (its only 100M source :) ) | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | actually I was thinking of uploading edubuntu-docs today | 08:36 |
| ogra | cool | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | nixternal made a few changes I think and I wanted to put the "About Edubuntu" .desktop translations in | 08:37 |
| ogra | we should look if we can add replacement code for the "about ..." stuff to the panel ... | 08:37 |
| ogra | i dont want to have the two entries eternally | 08:37 |
| ogra | at least not if they show the same icon | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | well, I can do it | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure what seb will thing | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | *think | 08:38 |
| ogra | ask him ;) | 08:42 |
| highvoltage | hey guys | 08:45 |
| cliebow_ | heyhey! | 08:46 |
| svg | hi highvoltage:) nice song | 08:46 |
| highvoltage | svg: thank you, I listened to the meteora version a few times too many when I chose the nick ;) | 08:46 |
| highvoltage | I mean, reanimation, not meteora! | 08:47 |
| svg | reanimation=? | 08:47 |
| cottima | would someone paste bin kernel-parameters.txt? | 08:47 |
| highvoltage | svg: which song are you talking about? :) | 08:47 |
| svg | AC/DC | 08:47 |
| highvoltage | svg: aah, I'm sorry to disapoint, but my nick is based on the linkin park one. I do agree that the AC/DC one is a good song, though | 08:48 |
| highvoltage | svg: nice vector graphics format :p | 08:48 |
| svg | highvoltage: yeah, svg are just my initials irl | 08:49 |
| highvoltage | svg: noticed from your $REALNAME | 08:49 |
| svg | that sucks when people talk about svg the format in a channel :) | 08:49 |
| highvoltage | I get hilights a lot when people want to say "hi" and then press tab accidentally | 08:56 |
| highvoltage | I also have "voltage" and "jonathan" on hilight, becuase people say things like "hi voltage" (or high voltage) when they want to talk to me | 08:56 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: how's it going, btw. been ages since I talked to you. | 08:57 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock, ogra: I'm going to miss the meeting tonight, need some sleep- been up way to early this morning. | 09:00 |
| highvoltage | All I can say is that we have a new website theme, and it can go up soon, there's been a delay caused on an upgrade that needs to take place on the canonical server. It's been prioritised and Znarl should be done with it by the end of the week. | 09:01 |
| highvoltage | ping me tomorrow and I'll give you more details. but for now, goodnight from me. | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: hi again | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | bye | 09:01 |
| highvoltage | oh, hi LaserJock :) | 09:01 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: quick C question, what's a good way to do a if ( bar and not foo)? | 09:32 |
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| flubbe1 | /nameserver | 09:36 |
| flubbe1 | /help] | 09:36 |
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| lns | Anyone a PXE masta here? =) | 09:38 |
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| willvdl | howdi | 09:50 |
| RichEd | hi willvdl & others | 09:51 |
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| RichEd | ---- edubuntu meeting --- in #ubuntu-meeting --- in 5 mins ---- | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | argg, really? | 10:16 |
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| cottima | if I install ubuntu, what do I do to change it to edubuntu (site link please)? | 10:37 |
| ogra | install edubuntu-desktop :) | 10:37 |
| cottima | ogra is that a package? | 10:45 |
| ogra | yes | 10:45 |
| ogra | look for it in synaptic package manager | 10:45 |
| cottima | I have a compaq dl360, so all ubuntu CDs will not install, I think I found a custom cd for it. yet I was wondering, to conserve CD-Rs and since I have a debian install. Is it possible to change a debian install to unbuntu/edubuntu? | 10:49 |
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| cottima | ogra, it could be bad question but... Is it possible to change a debian install to unbuntu/edubuntu? | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | that's kind of tough | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | it can do bad things, but it could also kinda work | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | i'd call it gambling | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | but if you are lucky *shrug* | 10:54 |
| cottima | well, I am kind of lost on this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2321786#post2321786 | 10:55 |
| cottima | when I tried expert, it did the same thing. then tried again at boot up exited to text and typed "linux noprobe noapic noapci" and that time it did not even show a drive at all. so is there something at bootup that I do or do I download the torrent on page 2? | 10:57 |
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| LaserJock | sbalneav: C question for you ;-) | 11:09 |
| sbalneav | Yes indeedy | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to do an if with two conditions | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | condition1 and not condition2 | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | can I just do condition1 && !condition2? | 11:10 |
| sbalneav | Yes | 11:10 |
| sbalneav | if ( a == 1 && !(b == 2)) | 11:10 |
| sbalneav | Might have to use some parens | 11:11 |
| sbalneav | if b is an int, if you write: | 11:11 |
| sbalneav | if (a == 1 && !b == 2) | 11:11 |
| sbalneav | if b != 0 you'll get 0 == 2 | 11:11 |
| sbalneav | if b == 0 then you'll get 1 == 2 | 11:12 |
| sbalneav | so it'll always be false no matter what b is. | 11:12 |
| sbalneav | so throw in some extra parens. | 11:12 |
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| sbalneav | I usually ALWAYS, as a matter of style write like this: | 11:12 |
| sbalneav | if ( (a == 1) && !(b == 2) ) | 11:13 |
| sbalneav | which makes it abundantly clear what you're trying to accomplish | 11:13 |
| sbalneav | make sense? | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | yes it does | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | building new gnome-panel | 11:18 |
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| pips1 | hello? | 11:21 |
| pips1 | is there a meeting? was there one? did I miss it? | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | pips1: there was | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | you missed it | 11:22 |
| pips1 | oops | 11:22 |
| pips1 | darn | 11:23 |
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| pips1 | well, I would have been able to contribute anything useful. I have been buried in work :-( | 11:23 |
| pips1 | Congrats again to your core-dev status LaserJock! | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | pips1: actually, we wondered if a beta of the new edubuntu.org was available anywhere | 11:25 |
| pips1 | nope | 11:25 |
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| sbalneav | Be on later tonight. | 11:27 |
| sbalneav | night all | 11:27 |
| pips1 | by 'beta of edubuntu.org', you prosumably mean a drupal 5.1 site with a modified ubuntu.com theme, I take it | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | yes | 11:27 |
| pips1 | sbalneav: cu! | 11:27 |
| Peaceful | I just tried using a Neoware c50 client as an ltsp-client on a brand-new edubuntu 7.04 x86 install, and all sorts of screen artifacts are present when you log in | 11:27 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: was highvoltage at the meeting? | 11:28 |
| Peaceful | anyone have any idea what I could try to get rid of the massive screen weirdness? | 11:28 |
| pips1 | Peaceful: did you try different video drivers? | 11:29 |
| Peaceful | pips1, nope, haven't tried a thing. I'm fairly new to ltsp stuff. | 11:29 |
| Peaceful | pips1, so, I assume I could read up on client configuration for how to change video drivers? | 11:30 |
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| pips1 | Peaceful: I'm actually not sure how well that is documented... let me have a quick look for you | 11:30 |
| Peaceful | pips1, ok...I'm looking for client configuration docs too... | 11:31 |
| Peaceful | http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig <-- looks close, but nothing about video drivers | 11:31 |
| Peaceful | no, wait, XSERVER seems to be a video driver parameter | 11:32 |
| pips1 | http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html | 11:32 |
| pips1 | perhaps "XSERVER = vesa" | 11:32 |
| pips1 | not sure though | 11:32 |
| Peaceful | sounds like a good start | 11:32 |
| Peaceful | hmm, how do you figure out the MAC address of a client when the display isn't working so well? | 11:33 |
| Peaceful | maybe dhcp3 logs MAC addresses... | 11:34 |
| pips1 | worth a look | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | pips1: no, he was too tired | 11:35 |
| pips1 | ic | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | pips1: he stopped by before he went to bed to tell us the situation | 11:35 |
| pips1 | and? | 11:35 |
| pips1 | what did he say? | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | that the server was being upgraded | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | and it should be done todayish | 11:36 |
| pips1 | aha | 11:36 |
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| Peaceful | yep, dhcp requests log mac addresses (yay!) | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | pips1: see pm | 11:38 |
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