[02:23] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[02:45] <testing>  can somebody help me to enable local devices on ltsp 5?
[02:59] <testting>  can somebody help me to enable local devices on ltsp 5?
[05:25] <LaserJock> moquist!
[06:43] <moquist> LaserJock!
[06:43] <LaserJock> moquist: how's it going?
[06:43] <moquist> LaserJock: I'm at the Gould FOSSED ATM, so pretty hectic. ;)
[06:43] <moquist> LaserJock: did you see the reply from Isaac (debian moodle packager)?
[06:43] <moquist> LaserJock: do you know the answer to my above question? :)
[06:50] <LaserJock> moquist: I don't think I did see it
[07:11] <greg_g> is anyone here that knows who to tell to change something on the official edubuntu website?
[07:11] <greg_g> it is just a dead link
[07:13] <greg_g> well, anyways, on the screenshots page, the last section "Off-site Screenshots" the link to the OSDir "screenshot tour" is no longer valid
[07:14] <greg_g> but this is the correct link: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=784&slide=3
[07:14] <greg_g> whoops: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=784&slide=1
[07:16] <greg_g> ping ogra, LaserJock, and stgraber (the only people I know who I believe are team leads) read above
[07:22] <LaserJock> greg_g: got it
[07:28] <moquist> LaserJock: I got it figured out. I had the wrong nfsroot param.
[07:28] <moquist> ogra: I figured out the answer; reading linux-src/Documentation/nfsroot.txt was enough. :)
[11:43] <pygi> LaserJock, congrats
[12:23] <willvdl> highvoltage, did elmo do anything about the webserver?
[12:28] <highvoltage> willvdl: guess.
[12:28] <willvdl> harumph
[12:58] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/003503.html
[01:11] <RichEd> highvoltage: ping
[01:11] <highvoltage> RichEd: pong
[02:06] <cberlo> Anyone find a good workaround for the broken CUPS server?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> cberlo, in what way?
[02:08] <cberlo> CUPS hits some kind of error and starts spitting out "Unable to accept connection" at about 100 messages a minute (or more).  Restarting the service fixes it, but it returns later.
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think i know the bug, but i dont know a fix
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bug/feature/problem
[02:09] <cberlo> My fix so far has been to use a cron job to see if the error exists every 15 minutes and restart the service.  Just wondering if a more frequent check would work or just cause system lag.
[02:18] <cberlo> Alright.  guess I'll try the tweak it and see approach.  :)
[03:49] <sbalneav> Morning all
[07:16] <cottima> anyone ever done an edubuntu install on a scsi hdd?
[07:18] <ogra> *HD
[07:18] <ogra> yesterday ...
[07:18] <cottima> why is there no ltsp 5 documentation or am I looking in the wrong areas?
[07:19] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-May/001059.html
[07:22] <cottima> It does not specify 5.0, some of it seemed to be for prior versions of ltsp5.0
[07:23] <ogra> all that listed there is for ltsp5
[07:23] <juliux> ogra, congratulations for the new ltsp5
[07:23] <ogra> juliux, thanks, i see you read planet :)
[07:23] <juliux> ogra, sure, i will setup my test systems tomorrow so i can see if it is true with 44secs;)
[07:23] <ogra> i was to lazy to do my tech update n the meeting today, so i can just post the blog url :)
[07:24] <ogra> juliux, thats on a T150 from disklessworkstations.com
[07:24] <ogra> i havent tested the T1220 yet but it should be around the same
[07:24] <juliux> ogra, i will test it on the transtec one;)
[07:25] <Shadow31> I'm having a problem with my Edubuntu LTSP thin client network. I can log any account on fine from the server itself, but users can't log in from the workstations. Any ideas?
[07:26] <stgraber> ltsp-update-keys (IIRC), that looks like a bad ssh signature
[07:26] <cottima> ogra, excuse my moments then, I am bit upset with ltsp.org for not doing much documentation.  My opinion:  I think that they should host all documentation.
[07:27] <ogra> cottima, well, with ltsp5 thats rather a job of the distros for the distro specific parts at least ...
[07:27] <cliebow_> cottima:things are devloping wicked fast..but point taken..we need someone to grab that project and run witit
[07:27] <ogra> ltsp itself will only be caring for the ltsp scripts in the future ...
[07:28] <ogra> common stuff like lts.conf options etc should g to ltsp.org ... but things that relate to apt shuldnt be in redhat docs ;)
[07:28] <cliebow_> red what?
[07:29] <ogra> heh
[07:29] <cliebow_> k..i need to crawl back to the hole Gadi left for me when he went to Betherl
[07:29] <cottima> that is kind of what I mean.  (If I understand ltsp 5,) The scripts and "user end" part should be documented on their site, yet I think they should mirror the docs.  (Although, most of what I say is out of frustration.)
[07:29] <cliebow_> Balls!
[07:30] <ogra> cottima, well, you are surely right ... we're lacking a bit manpower at ltsp.org for fixing the docs  .. as you can see from my mail its not different in (ed)ubuntu either
[07:32] <juliux> ogra, should i upgrade my feisty to gutsy or better make a fresh gutsy installation?
[07:32] <cottima> I guess I should shut up for now, since I have no time being in school.   Then I should contribute to a project by helping in making docs.
[07:33] <cottima> I am having trouble with installing to a scsi hdd on the desktop and server cd.
[07:33] <ogra> juliux, as you like, both should work ... but rebuild the client ...
[07:33] <juliux> ogra, ok
[07:33] <ogra> cottima, well, thats not really an ltsp related problem i would think
[07:34] <ogra> whats the error you get ?
[07:35] <Shadow31> Thanks, stgraber! I tried updating the keys and it worked.
[07:36] <cottima> ogra, "unable to determine geometry of file/device.  You should not use Parted unless you REALLY know what you're doing!"  then after a few buttons.  It will not go to the partitioning tool (listing the dev and its partiton layout).
[07:36] <ogra> on the server/alternate Cd as well ?
[07:37] <juliux> ogra, i will make a fresh installation
[07:37] <ogra> juliux, tribe1 and upgrading should be fine i guess
[07:37] <cottima> orgra, Both Edubuntu's Desktop cd and Server cd do the same thing.
[07:37] <ogra> did you look at launchpad if there are known bugs ?
[07:38] <cottima> ogra:no
[07:39] <cliebow_> cottima:that a raid controller?
[07:40] <cottima> I think, only has two drive bays
[07:41] <cliebow_> so it seems it is borking recognizing the comtroller?
[07:43] <cottima> cliebow_ somewhat, it shows "/dev/ida/c0d0 = 0B0  Compaq Smart Array" in "[!!]  Partition Disks"
[07:43] <cottima> it sees it, but does not want to work
[07:46] <ogra> cottima, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/110585
[07:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110585 in linux-source-2.6.20 "7.04 Server install fails on Compaq Proliant DL360" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:46] <cottima> ogra, wow, the exact model too!  thank you
[07:47] <ogra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2321786#post2321786
[07:47] <ogra> that looks like a workaround
[07:49] <cottima> going to try it.
[07:50] <cottima> if it works then it looks like I burned server for no reason since I had a desktop cd already.
[07:51] <ogra> there is no expert mode on the desktop CD ...
[07:51] <cliebow_> cottima, maybe selll it on the black market 8~)
[07:51] <ogra> the woraround seems to use the expert mode
[07:51] <cottima> you mean to M$, so they can make an agreement the way they really want?
[07:54] <cliebow_> heh
[07:55] <cliebow_> this is a family channel...
[08:00] <svg> Hi folks
[08:00] <svg> I just read http://www.grawert.net/weblog.cgi/2007/06/20#2007-0620_17:54:20_LTSP_is_dead,_long_live_LTSP which made me come here
[08:01] <svg> I haven't used LTSP technology yet, and before I dive into it, I wanted to get some feedback
[08:01] <ogra> shoot
[08:01] <svg> I was wondering about performance of remote X stuff
[08:01] <svg> I once did a remote DMCP X session from laptop to desktop, over my home lan hub, and that was painfully slow
[08:01] <svg> so I'm wondering how LTSP is different
[08:02] <ogra> you should have a switch and you should have a 100MBit network
[08:02] <svg> 100mbit I had
[08:02] <svg> it was no switch, but it was the only traffic on my home lan at the time
[08:02] <ogra> well, thats usually sufficient to run a bunch of ltsp clients on ...
[08:03] <svg> well, it wasn't :)
[08:03] <svg> I tend to compare with other technologies such as windows remote desktop, citrix and freenx, which are extrremely performant at what they do
[08:03] <ogra> what did you run on your laptop when you tried that ?
[08:04] <ogra> note that LTSP is rather like an embedded system that only starts X server and login manager on the client side
[08:05] <svg> both hosts were runining plain ubuntu, the laptop is a very recent box
[08:06] <ogra> well, try out ltsp and check yourself :)
[08:06] <ogra> many people use it happily on 100MBit networks :)
[08:07] <sbalneav> ogra: heh, saw the bloggy post.
[08:07] <svg> well, I'm sure it's good stuff, i'm just curious on the technicall differences
[08:07] <sbalneav> Excellent.
[08:07] <sbalneav> I'll make one too :)
[08:08] <ogra> yeah
[08:10] <ogra> svg, the DIRECTX mode i blogged about isnt much different from standard XDMCP (apart from password encryption)
[08:11] <ogra> the encrypted mode we use by default does essentially: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
[08:14] <svg> ogra, ok, I'll read into this, this stuff is new for me
[08:15] <cliebow_> Rockin!
[08:18] <cliebow_> ogra:want a couple spellcheck fixes for your blog..prob not..
[08:31] <cliebow_> ogra: so .tsp-server-standalone should be like 5.0.18? apt-get install says latest version at 5.0.7..but i suppose this is still feisty..
[08:32] <ogra> cliebow_, likely if you didnt fix that yet
[08:32] <ogra> and it should be 5.0.17
[08:34] <LaserJock> hi ogra
[08:34] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[08:34] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[08:34] <ogra> hey hey
[08:35] <sbalneav> Show us your magical new powerzzz, and upload some packages!
[08:36] <ogra> yeah, break gcompris and unbreak it again just to show off :)
[08:36] <LaserJock> heh
[08:36] <ogra> (its only 100M source :) )
[08:36] <LaserJock> actually I was thinking of uploading edubuntu-docs today
[08:36] <ogra> cool
[08:37] <LaserJock> nixternal made a few changes I think and I wanted to put the "About Edubuntu" .desktop translations in
[08:37] <ogra> we should look if we can add replacement code for the "about ..." stuff to the panel ...
[08:37] <ogra> i dont want to have the two entries eternally
[08:37] <ogra> at least not if they show the same icon
[08:38] <LaserJock> well, I can do it
[08:38] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure what seb will thing
[08:38] <LaserJock> *think
[08:42] <ogra> ask him ;)
[08:45] <highvoltage> hey guys
[08:46] <cliebow_> heyhey!
[08:46] <svg> hi highvoltage:) nice song
[08:46] <highvoltage> svg: thank you, I listened to the meteora version a few times too many when I chose the nick ;)
[08:47] <highvoltage> I mean, reanimation, not meteora!
[08:47] <svg> reanimation=?
[08:47] <cottima> would someone paste bin kernel-parameters.txt?
[08:47] <highvoltage> svg: which song are you talking about? :)
[08:47] <svg> AC/DC
[08:48] <highvoltage> svg: aah, I'm sorry to disapoint, but my nick is based on the linkin park one. I do agree that the AC/DC one is a good song, though
[08:48] <highvoltage> svg: nice vector graphics format :p
[08:49] <svg> highvoltage: yeah, svg are just my initials irl
[08:49] <highvoltage> svg: noticed from your $REALNAME
[08:49] <svg> that sucks when people talk about svg the format in a channel :)
[08:56] <highvoltage> I get hilights a lot when people want to say "hi" and then press tab accidentally
[08:56] <highvoltage> I also have "voltage" and "jonathan" on hilight, becuase people say things like "hi voltage" (or high voltage) when they want to talk to me
[08:57] <highvoltage> LaserJock: how's it going, btw. been ages since I talked to you.
[09:00] <highvoltage> LaserJock, ogra: I'm going to miss the meeting tonight, need some sleep- been up way to early this morning.
[09:01] <highvoltage> All I can say is that we have a new website theme, and it can go up soon, there's been a delay caused on an upgrade that needs to take place on the canonical server. It's been prioritised and Znarl should be done with it by the end of the week.
[09:01] <highvoltage> ping me tomorrow and I'll give you more details. but for now, goodnight from me.
[09:01] <LaserJock> highvoltage: hi again
[09:01] <LaserJock> bye
[09:01] <highvoltage> oh, hi LaserJock  :)
[09:32] <LaserJock> ogra: quick C question, what's a good way to do a if ( bar and not foo)?
[09:36] <flubbe1> /nameserver
[09:36] <flubbe1> /help] 
[09:38] <lns> Anyone a PXE masta here? =)
[09:50] <willvdl> howdi
[09:51] <RichEd> hi willvdl & others
[09:54] <RichEd> ---- edubuntu meeting --- in #ubuntu-meeting --- in 5 mins ----
[10:16] <LaserJock> argg, really?
[10:37] <cottima> if I install ubuntu, what do I do to change it to edubuntu (site link please)?
[10:37] <ogra> install edubuntu-desktop :)
[10:45] <cottima> ogra is that a package?
[10:45] <ogra> yes
[10:45] <ogra> look for it in synaptic package manager
[10:49] <cottima> I have a compaq dl360, so all ubuntu CDs will not install, I think I found a custom cd for it.  yet I was wondering, to conserve CD-Rs and since I have a debian install.  Is it possible to change a debian install to unbuntu/edubuntu?
[10:53] <cottima> ogra, it could be bad question but... Is it possible to change a debian install to unbuntu/edubuntu?
[10:54] <LaserJock> that's kind of tough
[10:54] <LaserJock> it can do bad things, but it could also kinda work
[10:54] <ogra_> i'd call it gambling
[10:54] <ogra_> but if you are lucky *shrug*
[10:55] <cottima> well, I am kind of lost on this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2321786#post2321786
[10:57] <cottima> when I tried expert, it did the same thing.  then tried again at boot up exited to text and typed "linux noprobe noapic noapci" and that time it did not even show a drive at all.  so is there something at bootup that I do or do I download the torrent on page 2?
[11:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: C question for you ;-)
[11:09] <sbalneav> Yes indeedy
[11:09] <LaserJock> I'm trying to do an if with two conditions
[11:09] <LaserJock>  condition1 and not condition2
[11:10] <LaserJock> can I just do condition1 && !condition2?
[11:10] <sbalneav> Yes
[11:10] <sbalneav> if ( a == 1 && !(b == 2))
[11:11] <sbalneav> Might have to use some parens
[11:11] <sbalneav> if b is an int, if you write:
[11:11] <sbalneav> if (a == 1 && !b == 2)
[11:11] <sbalneav> if b != 0 you'll get 0 == 2
[11:12] <sbalneav> if b == 0 then you'll get 1 == 2
[11:12] <sbalneav> so it'll always be false no matter what b is.
[11:12] <sbalneav> so throw in some extra parens.
[11:12] <sbalneav> I usually ALWAYS, as a matter of style write like this:
[11:13] <sbalneav> if ( (a == 1) && !(b == 2) )
[11:13] <sbalneav> which makes it abundantly clear what you're trying to accomplish
[11:14] <sbalneav> make sense?
[11:14] <LaserJock> yes it does
[11:18] <LaserJock> building new gnome-panel
[11:21] <pips1> hello?
[11:22] <pips1> is there a meeting? was there one? did I miss it?
[11:22] <LaserJock> pips1: there was
[11:22] <LaserJock> you missed it
[11:22] <pips1> oops
[11:23] <pips1> darn
[11:23] <pips1> well, I would have been able to contribute anything useful. I have been buried in work :-(
[11:24] <pips1> Congrats again to your core-dev status LaserJock!
[11:25] <LaserJock> pips1: actually, we wondered if a beta of the new edubuntu.org was available anywhere
[11:25] <pips1> nope
[11:27] <sbalneav> Be on later tonight.
[11:27] <sbalneav> night all
[11:27] <pips1> by 'beta of edubuntu.org', you prosumably mean a drupal 5.1 site with a modified ubuntu.com theme, I take it
[11:27] <LaserJock> yes
[11:27] <pips1> sbalneav: cu!
[11:27] <Peaceful> I just tried using a Neoware c50 client as an ltsp-client on a brand-new edubuntu 7.04 x86 install, and all sorts of screen artifacts are present when you log in
[11:28] <pips1> LaserJock: was highvoltage at the meeting?
[11:28] <Peaceful> anyone have any idea what I could try to get rid of the massive screen weirdness?
[11:29] <pips1> Peaceful: did you try different video drivers?
[11:29] <Peaceful> pips1, nope, haven't tried a thing.  I'm fairly new to ltsp stuff.
[11:30] <Peaceful> pips1, so, I assume I could read up on client configuration for how to change video drivers?
[11:30] <pips1> Peaceful: I'm actually not sure how well that is documented... let me have a quick look for you
[11:31] <Peaceful> pips1, ok...I'm looking for client configuration docs too...
[11:31] <Peaceful> http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig  <-- looks close, but nothing about video drivers
[11:32] <Peaceful> no, wait, XSERVER seems to be a video driver parameter
[11:32] <pips1> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html
[11:32] <pips1> perhaps "XSERVER = vesa"
[11:32] <pips1> not sure though
[11:32] <Peaceful> sounds like a good start
[11:33] <Peaceful> hmm, how do you figure out the MAC address of a client when the display isn't working so well?
[11:34] <Peaceful> maybe dhcp3 logs MAC addresses...
[11:34] <pips1> worth a look
[11:35] <LaserJock> pips1: no, he was too tired
[11:35] <pips1> ic
[11:35] <LaserJock> pips1: he stopped by before he went to bed to tell us the situation
[11:35] <pips1> and?
[11:36] <pips1> what did he say?
[11:36] <LaserJock> that the server was being upgraded
[11:36] <LaserJock> and it should be done todayish
[11:36] <pips1> aha
[11:37] <Peaceful> yep, dhcp requests log mac addresses (yay!)
[11:38] <LaserJock> pips1: see pm