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Hobbseeoh goody, my ISP mirrored the file02:32
nixternalwhee02:36
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nixternalHobbsee: mind taking a look at bug 90548 for me please? I have attached a debdiff that fixes that boog. The auto-syncer already did a sync on smb4k 0.8.3 today, so I couldn't manually interact with it03:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 90548 in smb4k "smb4k in feisty hangs during session startup, waiting for DCop response" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9054803:15
Hobbseenixternal: why didnt debian take it?03:18
nixternalwell, they weren't looking at our bug I guess03:19
nixternalI emailed the guy about it and havent' gotten a response back03:20
Hobbseehttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=smb4k&archive=no&sourceid=mozilla-search03:20
Hobbseepackage looks rather unmaintained03:20
=== Hobbsee wonders if you can nmu, for that first bug.
nixternalFrankie just uploaded 0.8.303:20
nixternaloh wow03:21
nixternalhe is just packaging, not triaging it seems03:21
Hobbseeooh yummy03:21
nixternalactually, all of those outstanding bugs should be able to be closed03:22
Hobbsee(can you close them, then?)03:22
nixternalhow can I close Debian boogs?03:22
nixternalactually, smb4k needs to be relibtoolized03:23
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manchickencrimsun: Kindly disregard my complete lack of due diligence in this one :)05:24
crimsunnot your fault.  Sound is utterly unintuitive in Linux.05:25
crimsunI'm very slowly working through the spec for that, but I really don't have the bandwidth to ensure it gets into gutsy.  Definitely pushing for it, though.05:25
manchickenI'm hoping to get a chroot set up so that I can get a little research done into my latest project for adept.05:27
manchickenmhb needs to make a spec for that though I think...05:27
manchickenAssuming we want a spec for everything.05:28
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manchickenWuddayaknow, the chroot is setting up properly.05:51
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manchickenFeels good to be playing with some kubuntu for a little bit.06:02
manchickenI haven't touched adept in a while.06:02
manchickenOkay, any packagers in the house?06:07
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nixternalmanchicken: what's up06:12
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manchickennixternal: Trying to add missing adept dependencies06:14
manchickenmmm... cornmash whiskey.06:14
manchickenThis is a fun one.06:16
manchickenAnybody know what libtdb is?06:16
manchickenheh06:16
nixternalyou read the apt-cache on that...very uninformative :)06:17
manchickenWell, adept is looking for libtdb.la... which doesn't exist...06:18
nixternalahhh, probably because .la files are now stripped from -dev packages06:20
manchickenlibtdb doesn't have a -dev package.06:20
nixternalnot all -dev packages, but they are starting to do it...sorry, meant library packages in general06:21
manchickenAh.06:21
manchickenThen we'll need to remove that dependency.06:21
manchickenOoh, libtool is doing that...06:22
manchickenI'll try distcleaning it.06:23
nixternalahhh, you are being relibtoolized06:23
manchickenNo, that isn't helping either.06:27
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manchickenAnybody know where the libtdb-dev package ran off to?06:50
crimsuns/lib//06:51
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manchickenDamnit.06:52
manchickenYou and your cleverness.06:52
manchickenMy wife put my whiskey in the freezer :(06:53
manchickenIt's too cold...06:53
manchickenMan, we really need to spend some time on the UTF8 port for adept.06:56
manchickenThat could be included in the "why the hell are we using STL for a KDE app" port, too.06:57
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manchickenOkay, if libtool gives me a dependency on libtdb.la again, I'm going to give my terminal the finger and go to bed.07:08
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manchickenOkay, it's time to give the terminal the finger and go to bed.07:09
manchickenGood night everybody.07:09
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mhbHobbsee: what's bug 121292 about?10:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121292 in ksudoku "test bug" [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12129210:52
Hobbseemhb: like it says, it's a test bug.  apologies for the bugspam.10:53
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Hobbseemhb: it was using a greasemonkey script - i forgot that everyone woudl get emailed voer it :-S10:54
mhbHobbsee: they should have those scripts built in LP ... "Reject it with a polite apology" button, "Reject it and be rude" button ...10:55
Hobbseehahaha10:56
Hobbseethat'd be good10:56
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Hobbseeokay.  VM's seem not to like going into hibernate.11:04
Hobbseehey cool.  kdm broke.11:17
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mhbhas anyone got any experience with kdm4 = KDE4 kdm?11:38
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HobbseeRiddell: it appears that we dont have a cmake.mk in cdbs - any plans to fix/12:43
Riddellthere's copies of it in the packages that use it12:44
RiddellI expect upstream will sort it out once cmake.mk has been better tested12:44
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Hobbseeah right12:45
HobbseeRiddell: so we wont dump it in cdbs, and save packages all putting it in indivually?12:46
Riddellno, let upstream sort12:49
Hobbseecool12:49
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RiddellHobbsee: how's amarok doing?01:07
HobbseeRiddell: doesnt build.01:08
RiddellHobbsee: why not?01:08
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Hobbsee[Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> test -z "/usr/lib/kde3" || mkdir -p -- "/tmp/buildd/amarok-1.4.6/debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde3"01:08
Hobbsee[Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> /bin/bash ../../../../libtool --silent --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -p 'libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la' '/tmp/buildd/amarok-1.4.6/debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde3/libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la'01:08
Hobbsee[Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> libtool: install: warning: relinking `libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la'01:08
Hobbsee[Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lamarok01:08
Hobbsee[Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status01:09
Hobbsee[Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> libtool: install: error: relink `libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la' with the above command before installing it01:09
Hobbsee[Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> make[6] : *** [install-kde_moduleLTLIBRARIES]  Error 101:09
Hobbseeshoved it onto another machine, but that wouldnt build until the akode breakage was fixed, and i forgot to restart it today01:09
Riddellrocking, linker errors, my favourite01:09
RiddellHobbsee: want me to take a look?01:09
Hobbseeheh01:09
HobbseeRiddell: yeah, OK.01:09
Riddellwhere can I find what you have?01:09
=== Hobbsee is copying it somewhere public now
HobbseeRiddell: http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/01:10
Hobbsee30% [==========>                          ]  353,312        6.21K/s    ETA 02:0801:14
Hobbseeoh *dear*01:14
Riddellam I stealing your bandwidth?01:17
Hobbseeno.  but something is01:18
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HobbseeRiddell: where that's hosted isnt my machien01:19
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HobbseeRiddell: did you want to check http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5651 ?02:00
Hobbseethen i can upload02:00
Hobbseeassuming it builds, etc, OK02:00
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RiddellHobbsee: advocated03:01
HobbseeRiddell: thanks03:01
Riddellwell amarok compiled, but there's no .so on the end of the libraries03:05
RiddellI detest autotools03:05
Hobbseeah right03:05
Hobbseemachine is dying here - i cant look up webpages03:05
Riddellshall I upload khlakithing?03:05
Hobbsee[22:56]  <Hobbsee> Jason: http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png03:05
Hobbsee[22:58]  <Danni> that not look good03:05
Hobbsee[22:59]  <Hobbsee>  22:59:43 up 12:31,  1 user,  load average: 8.63, 6.64, 4.1903:05
Hobbseeyes please03:05
Hobbseehaha, khlakithing03:06
Riddellwow, you used kinfocentre, I didn't think people really used that03:06
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Hobbseether ewe go - updated snapshot.  refresh again03:08
HobbseeRiddell: i find it outputs in a nice way03:08
Hobbseeoh good. kubuntu is winning.03:09
Riddellwinning what?03:22
Hobbseean installer race03:23
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Hobbseeasimon: reviewed your package, btw03:25
HobbseeRiddell: i'm installing a pristine kubuntu, and ubuntu in vmware.  figured i'd run the install at the same time for each, to see which ran.  *shrugs*03:25
Hobbseeer, finished first03:25
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asimonHobbsee: Thank you :)03:28
apacheloggerRiddell: does it make sense to add a manpage even if an app doesn't have any CLI/start options?03:29
Riddellapachelogger: debian will require it, it's nice to have but I'm not really fussed (which is why I advocated)03:31
apacheloggerRiddell: ok, thx03:33
manchickenRiddell: Okay, I give.  What dependency holds /usr/lib/libtdb.la or shuts libtool up about it with the latest revision of adept/03:34
manchickenI actually have a working chroot ready and can do a little hacking.03:35
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Riddelltdb-dev has libtdb.so03:36
Riddellbut seems to lack the .la in gutsy03:36
manchickenBut libtool is screaming about the .la...03:36
manchickenI'm not very knowledgeable about libtool.03:37
Hobbseehooray!  machine didnt die!03:37
Riddellin which case you probably needs to find which .la files still reference libtdb.la and recompile those03:37
manchickenHobbsee: That's always a good sign.03:37
Riddellgrep libtdb.la /usr/lib/*la03:37
manchickenWhat is an .la?03:37
Hobbseemanchicken: you did see the screenshot and load above, didnt you?03:37
Riddellmanchicken: libtool thingy03:38
manchickenHobbsee: That's insane.03:38
Hobbseemanchicken: *grin*03:38
manchickenHobbsee: That's what you get for running acroread.03:38
Hobbseemanchicken: how'd you know i was running acroread?03:38
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manchickenTwo ways.  Your task bar, and the Yahoo toolbar.03:39
Hobbseeoh.  it was supposed to take a picture of just the window.03:39
manchickenThere're only two things I know of with a Yahoo toolbar for GNU/Linux, acroread and the proprietary yahoo messenger client.03:39
Hobbseemanchicken: the bigger trouble was installing *ubuntu in 2 VM's, concurrently, while still running kubuntu.03:39
Hobbseekpdf didnt seem to let me want to have 2 pdf's open at the same time.  i'm not sure why03:40
manchickenHobbsee: That'll do it.03:40
Hobbseeyeah03:40
Hobbseehehe03:40
Hobbseeon 1.5gb of ram?  that'll do it.03:40
manchickenRiddell: libapt-front and libtagcoll still reference libtdb.la in their .la files.03:40
manchickenIs that a packaging thing?03:41
Riddellmanchicken: no, they probably just need recompiling03:41
Riddellmanchicken: compile them again and see if that fixed it03:42
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manchickenHobbsee: is that a Free Software virtual machine?03:47
manchickenIt'd be nice to find one of those :)03:47
Hobbsee|VMmanchicken: it's virtualbox.03:47
manchickenAh.03:47
Hobbsee|VMit's...well, it can be free03:47
manchickenWhat's the difference/03:50
manchickenAh, they have  description :)03:50
Hobbsee|VMthere's a couple of enterprise bits that you can add, if you want, which arent free03:51
manchickenHmm... I don't know if I consider some of those features "enterprise" or not.03:51
manchickenUSB and shared folders sound like pretty useful features for non-enterprise use.03:52
Hobbsee|VMyeah - those are the ones why i picked the binary version.  *shrugs*03:52
manchickenEither way, their business model makes sense.  It's very trolltech-like.  I'll take that free software flava.03:53
manchickenExcept they don't have a binary package for that, do they?03:53
Hobbsee|VMfor which?03:54
manchickenThe Free Software version.03:54
Hobbseenot sure03:54
Hobbseei didnt see any03:54
Hobbseebut the other version worked without any dep problems, using the feisyt release.  *shrugs*03:54
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manchickenRiddell: libapt-front won't build without libtdb.la04:10
Riddellmanchicken: because it depends on tagcoll, do tagcoll first04:11
manchickenI did..04:11
Riddellhmm, grump, I'll give it a try once amarok is done04:12
manchickenI'll keep working at it.04:13
manchickenSomebody has obviously gotten adept to build :)04:13
Hobbseemanchicken: chewing gum and bits of string.04:13
manchickenHobbsee: I had a car like that once.04:14
Hobbseeheh04:14
=== Hobbsee has plenty of things like that
Hobbseeheck, half of the stuff at work is like that.04:14
Hobbseebut soon, it becomes a case of SEP.04:14
Hobbsee\o/04:15
Riddellgroovy, amarok 1.4.6 is just as broken as 1.4.504:19
manchickenNice.04:20
ScottKNothing like consistency.04:20
Hobbseehaha04:20
Hobbseehow so?04:20
Riddellfreezes when playing stuff, as do other xine apps on my system04:21
Hobbseeyummy04:21
HobbseeRiddell: can you send it to me?04:21
Hobbsee(i386?)04:21
Riddelluploading04:22
HobbseeRiddell: i guess it is the 21st now..04:23
HobbseeRiddell: but they were asking for it to all be kept private until release04:23
Riddellyes, that's normal04:23
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/amarok/04:24
Riddellcompiles fine on feisty too, groovy04:29
Riddell"WARNING: 'tagcoll2' is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system" huh?04:31
manchickenRiddell: That's gotta be new.04:37
manchickenRiddell: I'm wondering if recompiling libtagcoll-dev will fix the problem.04:38
manchickenI only recompiled tagcoll04:38
Riddellsame source package04:38
Riddellmanchicken: oh, tagcoll and tagcoll2 are different04:43
manchickenOoh, and libtagcoll doesn't compile...04:43
manchickenerr, libtagcoll-dev04:43
RiddellI always get lost in the adept dependencies04:43
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manchickenYeah.04:44
manchickenSeems a bit much to be completely fscking honest.04:44
manchickenI'm gonna recompile libtdb...04:45
manchickenIn the off chance that it might do something more than make me curse.04:45
Riddellno04:46
Riddellrecompile libtagcoll04:46
Riddellreally, it should work04:46
manchickenlibtagcoll, tagcoll, tagcoll2, which one?  heh04:46
manchickenI'm running tagcoll now.04:47
manchickenThere doesn't seem to be a libtagcoll package.04:47
manchickenRiddell: btw, I saw a 30 year old scotch in the liquor store the other day.  $529USD04:49
manchickenI doubt they sell much of that.04:49
Riddellwhisky?04:50
RiddellI hope it's single cask at that price04:51
Hobbseemmm...whisky and whisky..04:51
manchickenYeah.04:54
gnomefreaklibtagcoll2 is the package in gutsy04:54
manchickenIt's a single malt.04:54
gnomefreaklibtdb.la was pulled from whatever package provided it04:54
gnomefreakhence the reason adept == FTB04:55
manchickenI'm not showing that.04:55
manchickenI install the newly recompiled deb and I still get /usr/lib/libtagcoll.la:dependency_libs=' /usr/lib/libtdb.la'04:55
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gnomefreaklibtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libtdb.la' or unhandled argument `/usr/lib/libtdb.la'04:56
Riddelloh joy, libtagcoll has a compile error04:56
gnomefreakthat is what i get during adept build04:56
gnomefreakRiddell: its libapt that causes that04:56
gnomefreakmvo did something (changelog stated to fix compile errors in gcc 7.3) iirc04:57
Riddelllibapt makes libtagcoll fail to compile??04:57
Riddellthey have nothing to do with each other04:57
gnomefreakhis apt update causes gcc to fail to compile correctly is how i understood it last night04:57
Riddeller really?04:58
gnomefreakexplain why its in apts changelog than04:58
Riddellhow does apt affect gcc?04:58
gnomefreaklet me find it04:58
gnomefreak * fixed compile errors with g++ 7.3 (thanks to05:00
gnomefreak    Daniel Burrows, closes: #429378)05:00
gnomefreak  * fix FTFBFS by changing build-depends to05:00
gnomefreak    libcurl4-gnutls-dev (closes: #428363)05:00
gnomefreakthats in changelog for newest apt05:00
Riddella new g++ causing build failures I can believe05:02
gnomefreakthats why ive been waiting for mvo to look over it again05:02
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nixternalgnomefreak: I get a similar compile error with smb4k when doing the relibtoolization05:05
gnomefreaknixternal: you will lol05:05
gnomefreakwe need mvo to fix what he did before anything dependant on g++ or apt is built05:05
nixternalso when is the new g++ due out05:05
gnomefreaknixternal: never lol05:06
nixternallovely05:06
manchickenNice.05:06
manchickenSo much for hacking adept :)05:06
gnomefreaknixternal: its something mvo did i think but he was gonna look into it when i spoke with him this morning05:06
nixternalgood deal05:06
gnomefreakmanchicken: to hack you need it to build05:06
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manchickengnomefreak: Yup.05:07
gnomefreakif he gets back to me ill let you know05:07
gnomefreaks/if/when05:07
manchickenMy C++ is still a bit weak.05:07
nixternalwhew, so maybe I will be able to build this soon then05:07
manchickenI make lots of small changes with frequent builds to make sure I'm not going too far from sanity without g++ bringing me back to reality.05:08
manchickenI'm a bit more of a trial and error hacker ;)05:08
gnomefreaktakes too long to do it that way05:09
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gnomefreakbzr is borked too05:09
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gnomefreakmost of gutsy mozilla packages i build is with bzr bd :(05:10
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manchickenI'm thinking of putting some configgable paths in katapult.05:11
manchickenThat would scratch a serious itch for me.05:11
Tm_Theh05:26
Tm_Tkubuntu.org down05:26
Tm_Tor does someone get it?05:26
Riddellbroken here05:28
RiddellI see a sysadmin poking apache on that machine, guess it'll be back soon05:29
manchickenDoes anybody have katapult in bzr?05:29
HobbseeTm_T: you shouldnt have killed it.05:29
hungerYeah! knetworkmanager updates again!05:30
Hobbseemanchicken: parts of kde debian dirs are in bzr now, btw.05:30
manchickenHobbsee: Where?05:30
Hobbseemanchicken: code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/ iirc05:31
manchickenI never knew that existed.05:31
manchickenI think katapult is kdeutils... which doesn't seem to be in there...05:31
Hobbseemanchicken: it didnt, until a couple of days ago05:32
Hobbseemanchicken: keep adding.05:32
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Hobbseemanchicken: i stuck some links on the ML about it05:32
manchickenThe collaboration in kubuntu thread?05:33
Hobbseeyeah05:33
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Riddellmanchicken: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/tagcoll_1.6.3-1ubuntu1.tar.gz06:15
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/tagcoll_1.6.3-1ubuntu1.dsc06:15
manchickenI'll debuild that and hopefully it'll help.06:17
Tm_Twhops, I got into Uni06:18
manchickenEh?06:18
Riddellmanchicken: then you need to do libapt-front again06:19
manchickenBeautiful.06:19
manchickenRiddell: I want to add some configurable paths to katapult.06:19
Riddellpaths to what?06:20
manchickenI'm irritated that it doesn't let me choose which directory is my documents directory.06:20
manchickenSo I guess that's more of a path than paths...06:20
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Riddellkwwii: about?06:29
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nixternaldoes print preview work for anybody in KWord?06:45
nixternalI swear it has never worked for me...ever :)06:45
Riddelldo you have kghostview installed?06:46
Riddellworks here06:47
nixternalyes I do06:50
nixternalall it does is act like it is loading the view, doesn't do anything else06:50
kwwiiRiddell: pong06:55
Riddellkwwii: fancy doing a quick bit of photo editing for akademy?06:56
kwwiiRiddell: what exactly do you mean?06:56
Riddellkwwii: of the first 8 photos, pick the best and get rid of the sky http://www.cis.strath.ac.uk/~kd/2007-05-01/06:58
kwwiiso you want me to take one of the first eight fotos and simply edit out the sky?06:59
Riddellkwwii: yes please06:59
kwwiiok, I can do it in a bit, I'll let you know when I am done07:00
Riddellprobably photo 00907:00
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apokryphoshe's the same guy that makes basket, right? He's never answered my mails too ;)07:26
DaSkreechI hear basket has a new team now07:27
Riddellhe did post that he was abandoning basket07:27
DaSkreechYeah that got on the digest and garnered a decent thread on the dot07:29
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apacheloggerif he still doesn't answer, I might have to blog07:32
apacheloggergetting everyone to flood his inbox ] :-D07:32
apacheloggermuahahah07:32
apokryphosDaSkreech: oh, didn't realise that they have got people for it already07:38
apokryphosthat's great news07:38
DaSkreechI've heard rumours :) no one has pointed me to a grouping yet07:38
apokryphosone of the best marketed+speedily created+well designed little apps I've ever seen07:38
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manchickenRiddell: That version of libtagcoll you gave me seems to make things less stupid.  Thanks.08:02
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kwwiiRiddell: http://sinecera.de/2007-05-01\ 009.ken.tif08:05
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amnesiac_hai folks08:08
DaSkreechhaiku08:09
amnesiac_very silent in here08:11
Riddellkwwii: thanks08:11
kwwiilet me know if that is good enough08:11
kwwiiI played with the colors a bit too08:11
DaSkreech`Who made it?08:12
DaSkreech^^ignore ^^08:12
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manchickenRiddell: So what all was brought into this version of adept?  Because now I've got adept telling me it can't open the APT database...08:18
Riddellmanchicken: dunno, new apt I expect08:19
manchickenI suppose.08:20
manchickendo you have time to deal with this now or are you busy with something else?08:20
Riddellmanchicken: mvo is telling me it just needs a recompile08:25
Riddellmanchicken: but presumably you've already compiled it against new apt?08:25
manchickenYeah, but I'll make clean and try again.08:28
DaSkreechRiddell: did anyone bring up using diffs for apt in gutsy?08:28
manchickens/clean/distclean/08:28
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RiddellDaSkreech: nope08:29
DaSkreechBlast08:29
DaSkreechapokryphos: if you can find  concrete proof that basket has a standing forthe future let me know08:31
RiddellDaSkreech: diffs of what?08:32
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mhbgood evening08:33
xerosishey mhb08:36
mhbhi xerosis, how's gc?08:37
xerosisnot too bad, is someone still working on the back-end or do i need to get the writing working?08:38
mhbxerosis: is writing not working?08:38
Riddellgc?08:38
mhbRiddell: grubconfig08:39
xerosismhb: it's not worked since i've been using it i'm pretty sure08:39
xerosisnot that i've really looked08:39
mhbRiddell: xerosis was so kind and is now finishing my grubconfig attempt from last release08:40
xerosismhb: oh, some writing does actually work08:40
Riddellgreat#08:40
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xerosismhb: how's gdebi-kde?08:41
xerosisor whatever they're naming it08:41
mhbxerosis: do you have the file grubconfig_backend_imp.py in your branch?08:42
manchickenRiddell: I'm on a fresh distclean build of adept, and that's not cleaning up the apt database connectivity issue.08:42
mhbxerosis: that should be the improved backend file, that person who worked on that sent it to me08:43
mhbxerosis: it's not exactly backwards compatible, but he may have worked on fixing the bugs08:43
Riddellmanchicken: compiling now08:44
mhbxerosis: it would be lovely if you could look at that and make it compatible with our frontend08:44
xerosismhb: i do indeed08:44
xerosismhb: also give me a ping on IM later, need to ask you some noob macbook questions08:45
mhbxerosis: gdebi-kde is doing well, I just need to figure out a translation issue, then it will be even better08:45
mhbxerosis: oh sure08:45
Riddellmhb: did you talk to mvo about merging and uploading it?08:50
mhbRiddell: not yet, because I don't really understand how to solve the translation issue08:51
Riddellit's not a critical bug at this stage08:51
mhbokay08:52
mhbI'll talk about it with him08:52
RiddellI can merge and upload if he's busy08:52
Riddell(not that I'm not busy too of course :)08:52
Riddellmanchicken: I agree, it's broken09:04
manchickenYay!  That makes me feel less stupid :)09:05
Riddellthe apt database could not be opened09:05
Riddellsigh09:05
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apacheloggerNightrose: ping10:07
Nightroseapachelogger: pong10:07
apacheloggerNightrose: sup?10:08
Nightroseapachelogger: the upstream-tar consists of some files 2 times - identical files in the same directory10:09
Nightrosetar doesn't like that and so does debuild10:09
apacheloggerohhhh10:10
apacheloggeruhhhh10:10
apacheloggersounds like kirocker!10:10
apacheloggerthat evil p....10:10
apacheloggerwell10:10
Nightrose;-) rught10:10
apacheloggerNightrose: bug upstream10:10
Nightrosewill do10:10
Nightroseuntil then?10:10
Nightrosedelete them?10:10
Nightroseone version of them that is10:11
apacheloggeruploading doesn't make much sense10:11
apacheloggerjust imagine upstream doesn't fix it10:11
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Nightrose;-)10:12
apacheloggerye should drop work alright10:12
Nightrose:-/ k10:12
apacheloggerand tell upstream that it doesn't make much sense to work any further until he does fix the tarball10:12
Nightroseok10:13
apacheloggerwhich hopefully makes him actually do that10:13
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Nightroseapachelogger: send mail - let's hope he fixes it10:24
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Nightrose;-) thx10:36
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gnomefreakbuild-deps on debtags are libept-dev (>= 0.5.2), libept-dev (<< 0.6)  0.4.7 is in gutsy11:39
Riddellneeds someone to NEW libept11:41
Riddellsuppose I could but we're not ment to NEW our own packages11:41
crimsununfortunately seb just /quit not too long ago11:42
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Riddelloh no, it's main inclusion review it needs11:43
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crimsunreally?  source is definitely already published in gutsy/main11:44
crimsunseems odd to allow source through if it hasn't been approved for main11:44
Riddellyes, and building is waiting on main inclusion review of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportXapianCore11:45
Riddellok, kees says he should be able to do it today11:45
crimsunah, excellent.11:45
mhbRiddell: by the way, how hard would it be to mobilize a C++ coder and get KDM support described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX ?11:46
RiddellI don't know if using the login manager has been decided or not11:47
Riddellthere was talk of adding it directly to X, which is much more sensible11:47
mhbRiddell: super-easy X/monitor configuration seems to be the killer for Gutsy, at least according to Keybuk's -announce mail11:47
Riddellwell the configuration is using stuff we've had for two releases11:48
mhbRiddell: that I know11:48
mhbI'd be happy if that  "one release behind" stigma disappeared with Gutsy, so I was a bit scared when I read about the KDM support11:51
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Riddellyes me too11:53
Riddellbut KDM code is difficult to touch11:53
Riddelland having a change which needs every login manager to be updated is daft when it can/should be done in X11:53
mhbI agree with that attitude11:54
mhbsomeone should check whether they already agreed on that GDM approach or if the X approach is still possible11:55
Riddellbryce is the dude to ask11:55
mhbokay, I'll ask11:56
mhbthank you11:56
mhbhi vprints11:56
vprintsGood evening :)11:56
mhbvprints: it's already night here :o) How are you? Feeling active? I think you could get the kubuntu-translators idea moving, if you wanted...11:57
vprintsuuh :)11:57
mhbvprints: I'm tied up with summer of code and other stuff, so I'm not able to steer it forwards11:57
vprintsI am all ears11:57
mhbvprints: well, the steps are quite clear: make noise about it on the mailing lists, get people to join that team we set up, then perhaps organize a meeting where we can talk what we want to achieve11:59
vprintsWhat could I be helpful with ?11:59
vprintsmkey11:59
vprintsare you coming to akademy ?11:59
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vprints:)12:00
mhbvprints: I would be coming if the year was 200312:01
mhbvprints: but it's 2007, sadly12:01
vprintshmm12:01
vprintsSomeday I'll get the logic I hope :D12:02
mhbvprints: the KDE meeting in 2003 was in Czech Republic12:02
vprintsI would like to make a meeting in Estonia12:02
mhbvprints: 2007 is Scotland, the birthplace of Kubuntu, but not mine12:03
nosrednaekimi;d like one in the US..12:03
vprintsin a year when we have our song festival12:03
nosrednaekim:-D12:03
vprintsthat's really a special event12:03
vprintsin a good way12:03
vprints:)12:03
mhbvprints: now you're the administrator of ~kubuntu-translators12:04
vprintsOkay12:04
mhbvprints: so you have all you need to get it moving :o)12:04
vprintsWill try my best12:04
mhbvprints: you could write some mails inviting kubuntu translators to that team12:05
vprintsAbsolutely12:05
mhbvprints: or you can mention it on some forums12:05
mhbvprints: thanks so much :o)12:05
vprintsnp12:05
vprintsmhb, shall you come to ubuntu traslators ?12:10
vprintschannel :)12:11

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