[02:32] <Hobbsee> oh goody, my ISP mirrored the file
[02:36] <nixternal> whee
[03:15] <nixternal> Hobbsee: mind taking a look at bug 90548 for me please? I have attached a debdiff that fixes that boog. The auto-syncer already did a sync on smb4k 0.8.3 today, so I couldn't manually interact with it
[03:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90548 in smb4k "smb4k in feisty hangs during session startup, waiting for DCop response" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90548
[03:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: why didnt debian take it?
[03:19] <nixternal> well, they weren't looking at our bug I guess
[03:20] <nixternal> I emailed the guy about it and havent' gotten a response back
[03:20] <Hobbsee> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=smb4k&archive=no&sourceid=mozilla-search
[03:20] <Hobbsee> package looks rather unmaintained
[03:20] <nixternal> Frankie just uploaded 0.8.3
[03:21] <nixternal> oh wow
[03:21] <nixternal> he is just packaging, not triaging it seems
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ooh yummy
[03:22] <nixternal> actually, all of those outstanding bugs should be able to be closed
[03:22] <Hobbsee> (can you close them, then?)
[03:22] <nixternal> how can I close Debian boogs?
[03:23] <nixternal> actually, smb4k needs to be relibtoolized
[05:24] <manchicken> crimsun: Kindly disregard my complete lack of due diligence in this one :)
[05:25] <crimsun> not your fault.  Sound is utterly unintuitive in Linux.
[05:25] <crimsun> I'm very slowly working through the spec for that, but I really don't have the bandwidth to ensure it gets into gutsy.  Definitely pushing for it, though.
[05:27] <manchicken> I'm hoping to get a chroot set up so that I can get a little research done into my latest project for adept.
[05:27] <manchicken> mhb needs to make a spec for that though I think...
[05:28] <manchicken> Assuming we want a spec for everything.
[05:51] <manchicken> Wuddayaknow, the chroot is setting up properly.
[06:02] <manchicken> Feels good to be playing with some kubuntu for a little bit.
[06:02] <manchicken> I haven't touched adept in a while.
[06:07] <manchicken> Okay, any packagers in the house?
[06:12] <nixternal> manchicken: what's up
[06:14] <manchicken> nixternal: Trying to add missing adept dependencies
[06:14] <manchicken> mmm... cornmash whiskey.
[06:16] <manchicken> This is a fun one.
[06:16] <manchicken> Anybody know what libtdb is?
[06:16] <manchicken> heh
[06:17] <nixternal> you read the apt-cache on that...very uninformative :)
[06:18] <manchicken> Well, adept is looking for libtdb.la... which doesn't exist...
[06:20] <nixternal> ahhh, probably because .la files are now stripped from -dev packages
[06:20] <manchicken> libtdb doesn't have a -dev package.
[06:21] <nixternal> not all -dev packages, but they are starting to do it...sorry, meant library packages in general
[06:21] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:21] <manchicken> Then we'll need to remove that dependency.
[06:22] <manchicken> Ooh, libtool is doing that...
[06:23] <manchicken> I'll try distcleaning it.
[06:23] <nixternal> ahhh, you are being relibtoolized
[06:27] <manchicken> No, that isn't helping either.
[06:50] <manchicken> Anybody know where the libtdb-dev package ran off to?
[06:51] <crimsun> s/lib//
[06:52] <manchicken> Damnit.
[06:52] <manchicken> You and your cleverness.
[06:53] <manchicken> My wife put my whiskey in the freezer :(
[06:53] <manchicken> It's too cold...
[06:56] <manchicken> Man, we really need to spend some time on the UTF8 port for adept.
[06:57] <manchicken> That could be included in the "why the hell are we using STL for a KDE app" port, too.
[07:08] <manchicken> Okay, if libtool gives me a dependency on libtdb.la again, I'm going to give my terminal the finger and go to bed.
[07:09] <manchicken> Okay, it's time to give the terminal the finger and go to bed.
[07:09] <manchicken> Good night everybody.
[10:52] <mhb> Hobbsee: what's bug 121292 about?
[10:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121292 in ksudoku "test bug" [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121292
[10:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: like it says, it's a test bug.  apologies for the bugspam.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> mhb: it was using a greasemonkey script - i forgot that everyone woudl get emailed voer it :-S
[10:55] <mhb> Hobbsee: they should have those scripts built in LP ... "Reject it with a polite apology" button, "Reject it and be rude" button ...
[10:56] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[10:56] <Hobbsee> that'd be good
[11:04] <Hobbsee> okay.  VM's seem not to like going into hibernate.
[11:17] <Hobbsee> hey cool.  kdm broke.
[11:38] <mhb> has anyone got any experience with kdm4 = KDE4 kdm?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it appears that we dont have a cmake.mk in cdbs - any plans to fix/
[12:44] <Riddell> there's copies of it in the packages that use it
[12:44] <Riddell> I expect upstream will sort it out once cmake.mk has been better tested
[12:45] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so we wont dump it in cdbs, and save packages all putting it in indivually?
[12:49] <Riddell> no, let upstream sort
[12:49] <Hobbsee> cool
[01:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how's amarok doing?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: doesnt build.
[01:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why not?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> [Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> test -z "/usr/lib/kde3" || mkdir -p -- "/tmp/buildd/amarok-1.4.6/debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde3"
[01:08] <Hobbsee> [Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> /bin/bash ../../../../libtool --silent --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -p 'libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la' '/tmp/buildd/amarok-1.4.6/debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde3/libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la'
[01:08] <Hobbsee> [Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> libtool: install: warning: relinking `libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la'
[01:08] <Hobbsee> [Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lamarok
[01:09] <Hobbsee> [Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[01:09] <Hobbsee> [Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> libtool: install: error: relink `libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la' with the above command before installing it
[01:09] <Hobbsee> [Tue Jun 19 2007]  [23:52:33]  <Hobbsee> make[6] : *** [install-kde_moduleLTLIBRARIES]  Error 1
[01:09] <Hobbsee> shoved it onto another machine, but that wouldnt build until the akode breakage was fixed, and i forgot to restart it today
[01:09] <Riddell> rocking, linker errors, my favourite
[01:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: want me to take a look?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, OK.
[01:09] <Riddell> where can I find what you have?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/
[01:14] <Hobbsee> 30% [[01:14] <Hobbsee> oh *dear*
[01:17] <Riddell> am I stealing your bandwidth?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> no.  but something is
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where that's hosted isnt my machien
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want to check http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5651 ?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> then i can upload
[02:00] <Hobbsee> assuming it builds, etc, OK
[03:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: advocated
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[03:05] <Riddell> well amarok compiled, but there's no .so on the end of the libraries
[03:05] <Riddell> I detest autotools
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:05] <Hobbsee> machine is dying here - i cant look up webpages
[03:05] <Riddell> shall I upload khlakithing?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [22:56]  <Hobbsee> Jason: http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [22:58]  <Danni> that not look good
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [22:59]  <Hobbsee>  22:59:43 up 12:31,  1 user,  load average: 8.63, 6.64, 4.19
[03:05] <Hobbsee> yes please
[03:06] <Hobbsee> haha, khlakithing
[03:06] <Riddell> wow, you used kinfocentre, I didn't think people really used that
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ther ewe go - updated snapshot.  refresh again
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i find it outputs in a nice way
[03:09] <Hobbsee> oh good. kubuntu is winning.
[03:22] <Riddell> winning what?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> an installer race
[03:25] <Hobbsee> asimon: reviewed your package, btw
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm installing a pristine kubuntu, and ubuntu in vmware.  figured i'd run the install at the same time for each, to see which ran.  *shrugs*
[03:25] <Hobbsee> er, finished first
[03:28] <asimon> Hobbsee: Thank you :)
[03:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it make sense to add a manpage even if an app doesn't have any CLI/start options?
[03:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: debian will require it, it's nice to have but I'm not really fussed (which is why I advocated)
[03:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, thx
[03:34] <manchicken> Riddell: Okay, I give.  What dependency holds /usr/lib/libtdb.la or shuts libtool up about it with the latest revision of adept/
[03:35] <manchicken> I actually have a working chroot ready and can do a little hacking.
[03:36] <Riddell> tdb-dev has libtdb.so
[03:36] <Riddell> but seems to lack the .la in gutsy
[03:36] <manchicken> But libtool is screaming about the .la...
[03:37] <manchicken> I'm not very knowledgeable about libtool.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hooray!  machine didnt die!
[03:37] <Riddell> in which case you probably needs to find which .la files still reference libtdb.la and recompile those
[03:37] <manchicken> Hobbsee: That's always a good sign.
[03:37] <Riddell> grep libtdb.la /usr/lib/*la
[03:37] <manchicken> What is an .la?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you did see the screenshot and load above, didnt you?
[03:38] <Riddell> manchicken: libtool thingy
[03:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: That's insane.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> manchicken: *grin*
[03:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: That's what you get for running acroread.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> manchicken: how'd you know i was running acroread?
[03:39] <manchicken> Two ways.  Your task bar, and the Yahoo toolbar.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> oh.  it was supposed to take a picture of just the window.
[03:39] <manchicken> There're only two things I know of with a Yahoo toolbar for GNU/Linux, acroread and the proprietary yahoo messenger client.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> manchicken: the bigger trouble was installing *ubuntu in 2 VM's, concurrently, while still running kubuntu.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> kpdf didnt seem to let me want to have 2 pdf's open at the same time.  i'm not sure why
[03:40] <manchicken> Hobbsee: That'll do it.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:40] <Hobbsee> on 1.5gb of ram?  that'll do it.
[03:40] <manchicken> Riddell: libapt-front and libtagcoll still reference libtdb.la in their .la files.
[03:41] <manchicken> Is that a packaging thing?
[03:41] <Riddell> manchicken: no, they probably just need recompiling
[03:42] <Riddell> manchicken: compile them again and see if that fixed it
[03:47] <manchicken> Hobbsee: is that a Free Software virtual machine?
[03:47] <manchicken> It'd be nice to find one of those :)
[03:47] <Hobbsee|VM> manchicken: it's virtualbox.
[03:47] <manchicken> Ah.
[03:47] <Hobbsee|VM> it's...well, it can be free
[03:50] <manchicken> What's the difference/
[03:50] <manchicken> Ah, they have  description :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee|VM> there's a couple of enterprise bits that you can add, if you want, which arent free
[03:51] <manchicken> Hmm... I don't know if I consider some of those features "enterprise" or not.
[03:52] <manchicken> USB and shared folders sound like pretty useful features for non-enterprise use.
[03:52] <Hobbsee|VM> yeah - those are the ones why i picked the binary version.  *shrugs*
[03:53] <manchicken> Either way, their business model makes sense.  It's very trolltech-like.  I'll take that free software flava.
[03:53] <manchicken> Except they don't have a binary package for that, do they?
[03:54] <Hobbsee|VM> for which?
[03:54] <manchicken> The Free Software version.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> not sure
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i didnt see any
[03:54] <Hobbsee> but the other version worked without any dep problems, using the feisyt release.  *shrugs*
[04:10] <manchicken> Riddell: libapt-front won't build without libtdb.la
[04:11] <Riddell> manchicken: because it depends on tagcoll, do tagcoll first
[04:11] <manchicken> I did..
[04:12] <Riddell> hmm, grump, I'll give it a try once amarok is done
[04:13] <manchicken> I'll keep working at it.
[04:13] <manchicken> Somebody has obviously gotten adept to build :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> manchicken: chewing gum and bits of string.
[04:14] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I had a car like that once.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:14] <Hobbsee> heck, half of the stuff at work is like that.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> but soon, it becomes a case of SEP.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> \o/
[04:19] <Riddell> groovy, amarok 1.4.6 is just as broken as 1.4.5
[04:20] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:20] <ScottK> Nothing like consistency.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:20] <Hobbsee> how so?
[04:21] <Riddell> freezes when playing stuff, as do other xine apps on my system
[04:21] <Hobbsee> yummy
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you send it to me?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> (i386?)
[04:22] <Riddell> uploading
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i guess it is the 21st now..
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but they were asking for it to all be kept private until release
[04:23] <Riddell> yes, that's normal
[04:24] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/amarok/
[04:29] <Riddell> compiles fine on feisty too, groovy
[04:31] <Riddell> "WARNING: 'tagcoll2' is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system" huh?
[04:37] <manchicken> Riddell: That's gotta be new.
[04:38] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm wondering if recompiling libtagcoll-dev will fix the problem.
[04:38] <manchicken> I only recompiled tagcoll
[04:38] <Riddell> same source package
[04:43] <Riddell> manchicken: oh, tagcoll and tagcoll2 are different
[04:43] <manchicken> Ooh, and libtagcoll doesn't compile...
[04:43] <manchicken> err, libtagcoll-dev
[04:43] <Riddell> I always get lost in the adept dependencies
[04:44] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:44] <manchicken> Seems a bit much to be completely fscking honest.
[04:45] <manchicken> I'm gonna recompile libtdb...
[04:45] <manchicken> In the off chance that it might do something more than make me curse.
[04:46] <Riddell> no
[04:46] <Riddell> recompile libtagcoll
[04:46] <Riddell> really, it should work
[04:46] <manchicken> libtagcoll, tagcoll, tagcoll2, which one?  heh
[04:47] <manchicken> I'm running tagcoll now.
[04:47] <manchicken> There doesn't seem to be a libtagcoll package.
[04:49] <manchicken> Riddell: btw, I saw a 30 year old scotch in the liquor store the other day.  $529USD
[04:49] <manchicken> I doubt they sell much of that.
[04:50] <Riddell> whisky?
[04:51] <Riddell> I hope it's single cask at that price
[04:51] <Hobbsee> mmm...whisky and whisky..
[04:54] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:54] <gnomefreak> libtagcoll2 is the package in gutsy
[04:54] <manchicken> It's a single malt.
[04:54] <gnomefreak> libtdb.la was pulled from whatever package provided it
[04:55] <gnomefreak> hence the reason adept == FTB
[04:55] <manchicken> I'm not showing that.
[04:55] <manchicken> I install the newly recompiled deb and I still get /usr/lib/libtagcoll.la:dependency_libs=' /usr/lib/libtdb.la'
[04:56] <gnomefreak> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libtdb.la' or unhandled argument `/usr/lib/libtdb.la'
[04:56] <Riddell> oh joy, libtagcoll has a compile error
[04:56] <gnomefreak> that is what i get during adept build
[04:56] <gnomefreak> Riddell: its libapt that causes that
[04:57] <gnomefreak> mvo did something (changelog stated to fix compile errors in gcc 7.3) iirc
[04:57] <Riddell> libapt makes libtagcoll fail to compile??
[04:57] <Riddell> they have nothing to do with each other
[04:57] <gnomefreak> his apt update causes gcc to fail to compile correctly is how i understood it last night
[04:58] <Riddell> er really?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> explain why its in apts changelog than
[04:58] <Riddell> how does apt affect gcc?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> let me find it
[05:00] <gnomefreak>  * fixed compile errors with g++ 7.3 (thanks to
[05:00] <gnomefreak>     Daniel Burrows, closes: #429378)
[05:00] <gnomefreak>   * fix FTFBFS by changing build-depends to
[05:00] <gnomefreak>     libcurl4-gnutls-dev (closes: #428363)
[05:00] <gnomefreak> thats in changelog for newest apt
[05:02] <Riddell> a new g++ causing build failures I can believe
[05:02] <gnomefreak> thats why ive been waiting for mvo to look over it again
[05:05] <nixternal> gnomefreak: I get a similar compile error with smb4k when doing the relibtoolization
[05:05] <gnomefreak> nixternal: you will lol
[05:05] <gnomefreak> we need mvo to fix what he did before anything dependant on g++ or apt is built
[05:05] <nixternal> so when is the new g++ due out
[05:06] <gnomefreak> nixternal: never lol
[05:06] <nixternal> lovely
[05:06] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:06] <manchicken> So much for hacking adept :)
[05:06] <gnomefreak> nixternal: its something mvo did i think but he was gonna look into it when i spoke with him this morning
[05:06] <nixternal> good deal
[05:06] <gnomefreak> manchicken: to hack you need it to build
[05:07] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Yup.
[05:07] <gnomefreak> if he gets back to me ill let you know
[05:07] <gnomefreak> s/if/when
[05:07] <manchicken> My C++ is still a bit weak.
[05:07] <nixternal> whew, so maybe I will be able to build this soon then
[05:08] <manchicken> I make lots of small changes with frequent builds to make sure I'm not going too far from sanity without g++ bringing me back to reality.
[05:08] <manchicken> I'm a bit more of a trial and error hacker ;)
[05:09] <gnomefreak> takes too long to do it that way
[05:09] <gnomefreak> bzr is borked too
[05:10] <gnomefreak> most of gutsy mozilla packages i build is with bzr bd :(
[05:11] <manchicken> I'm thinking of putting some configgable paths in katapult.
[05:11] <manchicken> That would scratch a serious itch for me.
[05:26] <Tm_T> heh
[05:26] <Tm_T> kubuntu.org down
[05:26] <Tm_T> or does someone get it?
[05:28] <Riddell> broken here
[05:29] <Riddell> I see a sysadmin poking apache on that machine, guess it'll be back soon
[05:29] <manchicken> Does anybody have katapult in bzr?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: you shouldnt have killed it.
[05:30] <hunger> Yeah! knetworkmanager updates again!
[05:30] <Hobbsee> manchicken: parts of kde debian dirs are in bzr now, btw.
[05:30] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Where?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/ iirc
[05:31] <manchicken> I never knew that existed.
[05:31] <manchicken> I think katapult is kdeutils... which doesn't seem to be in there...
[05:32] <Hobbsee> manchicken: it didnt, until a couple of days ago
[05:32] <Hobbsee> manchicken: keep adding.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i stuck some links on the ML about it
[05:33] <manchicken> The collaboration in kubuntu thread?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:15] <Riddell> manchicken: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/tagcoll_1.6.3-1ubuntu1.tar.gz
[06:15] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/tagcoll_1.6.3-1ubuntu1.dsc
[06:17] <manchicken> I'll debuild that and hopefully it'll help.
[06:18] <Tm_T> whops, I got into Uni
[06:18] <manchicken> Eh?
[06:19] <Riddell> manchicken: then you need to do libapt-front again
[06:19] <manchicken> Beautiful.
[06:19] <manchicken> Riddell: I want to add some configurable paths to katapult.
[06:20] <Riddell> paths to what?
[06:20] <manchicken> I'm irritated that it doesn't let me choose which directory is my documents directory.
[06:20] <manchicken> So I guess that's more of a path than paths...
[06:29] <Riddell> kwwii: about?
[06:45] <nixternal> does print preview work for anybody in KWord?
[06:45] <nixternal> I swear it has never worked for me...ever :)
[06:46] <Riddell> do you have kghostview installed?
[06:47] <Riddell> works here
[06:50] <nixternal> yes I do
[06:50] <nixternal> all it does is act like it is loading the view, doesn't do anything else
[06:55] <kwwii> Riddell: pong
[06:56] <Riddell> kwwii: fancy doing a quick bit of photo editing for akademy?
[06:56] <kwwii> Riddell: what exactly do you mean?
[06:58] <Riddell> kwwii: of the first 8 photos, pick the best and get rid of the sky http://www.cis.strath.ac.uk/~kd/2007-05-01/
[06:59] <kwwii> so you want me to take one of the first eight fotos and simply edit out the sky?
[06:59] <Riddell> kwwii: yes please
[07:00] <kwwii> ok, I can do it in a bit, I'll let you know when I am done
[07:00] <Riddell> probably photo 009
[07:26] <apokryphos> he's the same guy that makes basket, right? He's never answered my mails too ;)
[07:27] <DaSkreech> I hear basket has a new team now
[07:27] <Riddell> he did post that he was abandoning basket
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Yeah that got on the digest and garnered a decent thread on the dot
[07:32] <apachelogger> if he still doesn't answer, I might have to blog
[07:32] <apachelogger> getting everyone to flood his inbox ] :-D
[07:32] <apachelogger> muahahah
[07:38] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: oh, didn't realise that they have got people for it already
[07:38] <apokryphos> that's great news
[07:38] <DaSkreech> I've heard rumours :) no one has pointed me to a grouping yet
[07:38] <apokryphos> one of the best marketed+speedily created+well designed little apps I've ever seen
[08:02] <manchicken> Riddell: That version of libtagcoll you gave me seems to make things less stupid.  Thanks.
[08:05] <kwwii> Riddell: http://sinecera.de/2007-05-01\ 009.ken.tif
[08:08] <amnesiac_> hai folks
[08:09] <DaSkreech> haiku
[08:11] <amnesiac_> very silent in here
[08:11] <Riddell> kwwii: thanks
[08:11] <kwwii> let me know if that is good enough
[08:11] <kwwii> I played with the colors a bit too
[08:12] <DaSkreech> `Who made it?
[08:12] <DaSkreech> ^^ignore ^^
[08:18] <manchicken> Riddell: So what all was brought into this version of adept?  Because now I've got adept telling me it can't open the APT database...
[08:19] <Riddell> manchicken: dunno, new apt I expect
[08:20] <manchicken> I suppose.
[08:20] <manchicken> do you have time to deal with this now or are you busy with something else?
[08:25] <Riddell> manchicken: mvo is telling me it just needs a recompile
[08:25] <Riddell> manchicken: but presumably you've already compiled it against new apt?
[08:28] <manchicken> Yeah, but I'll make clean and try again.
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Riddell: did anyone bring up using diffs for apt in gutsy?
[08:28] <manchicken> s/clean/distclean/
[08:29] <Riddell> DaSkreech: nope
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Blast
[08:31] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: if you can find  concrete proof that basket has a standing forthe future let me know
[08:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: diffs of what?
[08:33] <mhb> good evening
[08:36] <xerosis> hey mhb
[08:37] <mhb> hi xerosis, how's gc?
[08:38] <xerosis> not too bad, is someone still working on the back-end or do i need to get the writing working?
[08:38] <mhb> xerosis: is writing not working?
[08:38] <Riddell> gc?
[08:39] <mhb> Riddell: grubconfig
[08:39] <xerosis> mhb: it's not worked since i've been using it i'm pretty sure
[08:39] <xerosis> not that i've really looked
[08:40] <mhb> Riddell: xerosis was so kind and is now finishing my grubconfig attempt from last release
[08:40] <xerosis> mhb: oh, some writing does actually work
[08:40] <Riddell> great#
[08:41] <xerosis> mhb: how's gdebi-kde?
[08:41] <xerosis> or whatever they're naming it
[08:42] <mhb> xerosis: do you have the file grubconfig_backend_imp.py in your branch?
[08:42] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm on a fresh distclean build of adept, and that's not cleaning up the apt database connectivity issue.
[08:43] <mhb> xerosis: that should be the improved backend file, that person who worked on that sent it to me
[08:43] <mhb> xerosis: it's not exactly backwards compatible, but he may have worked on fixing the bugs
[08:44] <Riddell> manchicken: compiling now
[08:44] <mhb> xerosis: it would be lovely if you could look at that and make it compatible with our frontend
[08:44] <xerosis> mhb: i do indeed
[08:45] <xerosis> mhb: also give me a ping on IM later, need to ask you some noob macbook questions
[08:45] <mhb> xerosis: gdebi-kde is doing well, I just need to figure out a translation issue, then it will be even better
[08:45] <mhb> xerosis: oh sure
[08:50] <Riddell> mhb: did you talk to mvo about merging and uploading it?
[08:51] <mhb> Riddell: not yet, because I don't really understand how to solve the translation issue
[08:51] <Riddell> it's not a critical bug at this stage
[08:52] <mhb> okay
[08:52] <mhb> I'll talk about it with him
[08:52] <Riddell> I can merge and upload if he's busy
[08:52] <Riddell> (not that I'm not busy too of course :)
[09:04] <Riddell> manchicken: I agree, it's broken
[09:05] <manchicken> Yay!  That makes me feel less stupid :)
[09:05] <Riddell> the apt database could not be opened
[09:05] <Riddell> sigh
[10:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[10:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[10:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: sup?
[10:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: the upstream-tar consists of some files 2 times - identical files in the same directory
[10:09] <Nightrose> tar doesn't like that and so does debuild
[10:10] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[10:10] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[10:10] <apachelogger> sounds like kirocker!
[10:10] <apachelogger> that evil p....
[10:10] <apachelogger> well
[10:10] <Nightrose> ;-) rught
[10:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bug upstream
[10:10] <Nightrose> will do
[10:10] <Nightrose> until then?
[10:10] <Nightrose> delete them?
[10:11] <Nightrose> one version of them that is
[10:11] <apachelogger> uploading doesn't make much sense
[10:11] <apachelogger> just imagine upstream doesn't fix it
[10:12] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:12] <apachelogger> ye should drop work alright
[10:12] <Nightrose> :-/ k
[10:12] <apachelogger> and tell upstream that it doesn't make much sense to work any further until he does fix the tarball
[10:13] <Nightrose> ok
[10:13] <apachelogger> which hopefully makes him actually do that
[10:24] <Nightrose> apachelogger: send mail - let's hope he fixes it
[10:36] <Nightrose> ;-) thx
[11:39] <gnomefreak> build-deps on debtags are libept-dev (>= 0.5.2), libept-dev (<< 0.6)  0.4.7 is in gutsy
[11:41] <Riddell> needs someone to NEW libept
[11:41] <Riddell> suppose I could but we're not ment to NEW our own packages
[11:42] <crimsun> unfortunately seb just /quit not too long ago
[11:43] <Riddell> oh no, it's main inclusion review it needs
[11:44] <crimsun> really?  source is definitely already published in gutsy/main
[11:44] <crimsun> seems odd to allow source through if it hasn't been approved for main
[11:45] <Riddell> yes, and building is waiting on main inclusion review of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportXapianCore
[11:45] <Riddell> ok, kees says he should be able to do it today
[11:45] <crimsun> ah, excellent.
[11:46] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, how hard would it be to mobilize a C++ coder and get KDM support described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX ?
[11:47] <Riddell> I don't know if using the login manager has been decided or not
[11:47] <Riddell> there was talk of adding it directly to X, which is much more sensible
[11:47] <mhb> Riddell: super-easy X/monitor configuration seems to be the killer for Gutsy, at least according to Keybuk's -announce mail
[11:48] <Riddell> well the configuration is using stuff we've had for two releases
[11:48] <mhb> Riddell: that I know
[11:51] <mhb> I'd be happy if that  "one release behind" stigma disappeared with Gutsy, so I was a bit scared when I read about the KDM support
[11:53] <Riddell> yes me too
[11:53] <Riddell> but KDM code is difficult to touch
[11:53] <Riddell> and having a change which needs every login manager to be updated is daft when it can/should be done in X
[11:54] <mhb> I agree with that attitude
[11:55] <mhb> someone should check whether they already agreed on that GDM approach or if the X approach is still possible
[11:55] <Riddell> bryce is the dude to ask
[11:56] <mhb> okay, I'll ask
[11:56] <mhb> thank you
[11:56] <mhb> hi vprints
[11:56] <vprints> Good evening :)
[11:57] <mhb> vprints: it's already night here :o) How are you? Feeling active? I think you could get the kubuntu-translators idea moving, if you wanted...
[11:57] <vprints> uuh :)
[11:57] <mhb> vprints: I'm tied up with summer of code and other stuff, so I'm not able to steer it forwards
[11:57] <vprints> I am all ears
[11:59] <mhb> vprints: well, the steps are quite clear: make noise about it on the mailing lists, get people to join that team we set up, then perhaps organize a meeting where we can talk what we want to achieve
[11:59] <vprints> What could I be helpful with ?
[11:59] <vprints> mkey
[11:59] <vprints> are you coming to akademy ?
[12:00] <vprints> :)
[12:01] <mhb> vprints: I would be coming if the year was 2003
[12:01] <mhb> vprints: but it's 2007, sadly
[12:01] <vprints> hmm
[12:02] <vprints> Someday I'll get the logic I hope :D
[12:02] <mhb> vprints: the KDE meeting in 2003 was in Czech Republic
[12:02] <vprints> I would like to make a meeting in Estonia
[12:03] <mhb> vprints: 2007 is Scotland, the birthplace of Kubuntu, but not mine
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> i;d like one in the US..
[12:03] <vprints> in a year when we have our song festival
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> :-D
[12:03] <vprints> that's really a special event
[12:03] <vprints> in a good way
[12:03] <vprints> :)
[12:04] <mhb> vprints: now you're the administrator of ~kubuntu-translators
[12:04] <vprints> Okay
[12:04] <mhb> vprints: so you have all you need to get it moving :o)
[12:04] <vprints> Will try my best
[12:05] <mhb> vprints: you could write some mails inviting kubuntu translators to that team
[12:05] <vprints> Absolutely
[12:05] <mhb> vprints: or you can mention it on some forums
[12:05] <mhb> vprints: thanks so much :o)
[12:05] <vprints> np
[12:10] <vprints> mhb, shall you come to ubuntu traslators ?
[12:11] <vprints> channel :)