[01:26] (crackhead_25/#kubuntu) intelikey: how can i test print something and see the log of what happens with the printer, so that someone might be able to tell what is wrong?
[01:26] (crackhead_25/#kubuntu) intelikey: do you think that will help?
[01:27] <soulrider_> intelikey:  nope
[01:27] <intelikey> crackhead_25 it might   just run a print job and grab the cups log   should be a subdir in /var/log/
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> evening soulrider_, intelikey
[01:27] <soulrider_> im gonna have to ask the not so nice people in #C++
[01:27] <soulrider_> hello Daisuke_Ido
[01:28] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido shalom
[01:28] <crackhead_25> intelikey: which is the log? error log? access log? page log?
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider_: my crystal ball is giving me a vision of your answer in that channel...
[01:28] <intelikey> soulrider_ well you could ask in ##linux
[01:28] <crackhead_25> intelikey: there are three "log" related files in cups
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> i see...  "RTFM"...
[01:28] <intelikey> they are fractionally nicer in there
[01:29] <soulrider_> Daisuke_Ido: intelikey i dont know why the C++ people have to be such assholes when you ask them a simple question about something you dont understand
[01:29] <intelikey> yeah i found that in #perl too
[01:29] <crackhead_25> intelikey: the log just says that it was posted "successful ok", but nothing happened at the printer or came out of the printer. not even a sound from the printer.
[01:30] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ok wait.    go in the konqueror to  127.0.0.1:641    or is it :631 ???
[01:30] <intelikey> crackhead_25 and unpause the printer.
[01:30] <soulrider_> intelikey:  the people at #java are slightly nicer
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider_: two words: inferiority complex
[01:31] <soulrider_> i could never get the printer on ym dads PC tow ork from my pc
[01:32] <intelikey> soulrider_ yeah as much as i dislike some of the ideology  #*buntu is top notch for help and respect.
[01:32] <soulrider_> yes
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> ...to a point :D
[01:32] <soulrider_> lol
[01:32] <crackhead_25> intelikey: what do you mean?
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> there are times...  oh LORD there are times...  when i wish baseball bats worked over irc.
[01:32] <soulrider_> i hate it when people are rude in official channels
[01:32] <soulrider_> like the archlinux channel, they can be so rude there, and its ht eofficial distro channel!
[01:32] <K-Ryan> what would i type to install the latest headers?
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, coffee :D
[01:33] <soulrider_> K-Ryan: sudo aptitude install kernel-headers-'uname -a' i believe
[01:33] <soulrider_> BUT
[01:33] <soulrider_> dont listen to me :P
[01:33] <crackhead_25> intelikey: when i go 127.0.0.1:631 (cups home), cups doesn't load. it's just a blank page.
[01:33] <intelikey> crackhead_25 browse address    127.0.0.1:631    and unpause the printer
[01:33] <intelikey> eeeek
[01:33] <crackhead_25> is cups not running?
[01:33] <genii> might be uname -r
[01:33] <soulrider> crackhead_25: is it running ?
[01:33] <intelikey> must not be
[01:33] <crackhead_25> how do i know?
[01:33] <soulrider> genii: yes
[01:34] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ps aux
[01:34] <K-Ryan> whats the uname -a thing?
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> linux-libc-dev?
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> doesn't build-essential get them?
[01:34] <soulrider> intelikey: where are all the daemons in ubuntu?
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> linux-libc-dev - Linux Kernel Headers for development
[01:34] <intelikey> K-Ryan type it and see      uname -r
[01:34] <intelikey> K-Ryan type it and see      uname -a
[01:34] <crackhead_25> intelikey: how will i know from ps aux? there's a lot of text
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> K-Ryan: the neame of your jernel
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: nowhere, they're all in bsd :)
[01:34] <soulrider> arch has them in /etc/rc.d/ and i know gentoo in /etc/init.d/
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> *kernel
[01:34] <intelikey> soulrider /etc/init.d/
[01:34] <soulrider> Daisuke_Ido: lol
[01:34] <crackhead_25> there are some things that say cupsys on the lefthand side
[01:34] <soulrider> intelikey: oh, ok
[01:35] <intelikey> i sussspose you wanted the init scripts
[01:35] <genii> K-Ryan: When you put a command inside of backtick  (that single sort of quote mark on top left of most keyboards) it returns the output of the command
[01:36] <K-Ryan> Oh it was a backwards one
[01:36] <K-Ryan> I was using the other..
[01:37] <genii> K-Ryan: Yes, it's a common thing to swap it for the one by the enter key
[01:37] <intelikey> K-Ryan hmmm ?     differance in    echo 'uname -a'    and   echo `uname -a`    ?
[01:37] <crackhead_25> hi there, can anyone help me? my printer was working all right a couple weeks ago. now it just sits silently whenever jobs are sent to it. i can see the jobs are in the cups system spooler, but i don't know why they're not actually going to the printer.
[01:37] <soulrider> genii: K-Ryan i suck with console commands, yet i use it a lot =/
[01:37] <Minataku> Heya, genii :3
[01:37] <K-Ryan> Alright I'm back on track installing ndiswrapper
[01:37] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[01:37] <genii> intelikey Well, if you are putting something like  apt-get install blah-kernel-`uname -r`
[01:38] <genii> Then it makes a difference :)
[01:38] <Minataku> Say, genii, what was in that box? I've forgotten by now XD
[01:38] <soulrider> its gonna be almost a year since i started to use linux :D:D:D
[01:38] <intelikey> crackhead_25 did you look in     konsole:    ps aux      to see if cupsys is running or not ?
[01:38] <soulrider> i cant believe so nuch time passed to fast!
[01:38] <genii> Minataku Mostly the guts of some Sparc5 and Sparc10, some SCSI harnesses etc etc ram, and a Sparc2
[01:38] <Minataku> genii: Sweet. :D
[01:39] <Minataku> That can go with the other two SPARCstations :3
[01:39] <intelikey> genii abso-posa-lutely it does indeed.   but `` is depriceated now    or so they tell me,     we should all be using $()
[01:40] <K-Ryan> Hey how do I know what Windows NDIS driver I need?
[01:40] <intelikey> i'm just lazy and `` is two keys where $() is six keys
[01:40] <genii> intelikey: Yeah I have these heated debates in #bash sometimes
[01:41] <intelikey> K-Ryan line 20 of   lspci 's output?
[01:41] <K-Ryan> Broadcom
[01:41] <intelikey> full line
[01:42] <intelikey> oh   pah-leeeeze
[01:42] <intelikey> not all this just to find that
[01:42] <soulrider> has anyone here ever used a dvorak keyboard ?
[01:43] <genii> Minataku I'm just gonna cram whatever the hell is laying around to top off the box when I send it so it will be a grab bag.
[01:43] <Minataku> genii: Frickin' sweet :D
[01:43] <K-Ryan> Umm, hold on a sec
[01:43] <intelikey> Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI
[01:43] <intelikey> K-Ryan beet ya to it...
[01:43] <Minataku> genii: In the meantime, I've aquired an Ultra 10, an Ultra 2, an Ultra 1, a _prototype_ SGI POWER Indigo2, a Macintosh Classic
[01:43] <intelikey> ;p
[01:44] <Minataku> I got my A/UX Mac up and running
[01:44] <soulrider> Minataku: youre collecting computers? :P
[01:44] <K-Ryan> 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WL                   AN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[01:44] <intelikey> so bcm1390  ?
[01:44] <soulrider> blegh, i gotta go take a shower, bbl
[01:44] <intelikey> that's a guess
[01:45] <K-Ryan> No idea
[01:45] <K-Ryan> You tell me
[01:45] <K-Ryan> Plus how do I get it?
[01:45] <genii> 1390 sounds right
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> K-Ryan: you can't get them off of windows?
[01:45] <K-Ryan> Where would I get it from?
[01:45] <Minataku> soulrider: Yes
[01:45] <Minataku> I am :D
[01:45] <genii> Minataku: Hmm maybe I have some ancient Mac stuff
[01:46] <Minataku> genii: Cool
[01:46] <intelikey> genii is that  correct ?
[01:46] <Minataku> I recently acquired an external SCSI HDD for the Classic
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> K-Ryan: dell drivers page
[01:46] <intelikey> Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI
[01:46] <intelikey> so bcm1390  ?
[01:46] <Minataku> That machine really needs a name
[01:46] <K-Ryan> This is a gateway though =/
[01:46] <Minataku> So does the Ultra 2
[01:46] <soulrider> Minataku: i called mine Tupperware
[01:46] <Minataku> The Ultra 1 and Ultra 10 are on "Extended Provisional" status
[01:46] <soulrider> i called my USB drive that too
[01:46] <soulrider> and my MP# player is called seamonkey
[01:47] <Minataku> The two SGIs are also on "Extended Provisional" status
[01:47] <Minataku> The Suns pending evaluation and possible repair
[01:48] <Minataku> The SGIs pending equipment I can use them with
 I recently acquired an external SCSI HDD <<< which pinout ?
[01:48] <K-Ryan> Guys I could really use the help here
[01:48] <Minataku> intelikey: Centronics-50 to Mac D-Shell
[01:48] <soulrider> Minataku: you got a spare laptop to send me? :P
[01:48] <soulrider> i could REALLY use one :P
[01:48] <intelikey> ah the old 50's
[01:49] <Lunar_Lamp> !charset
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about charset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <intelikey> yeah good hardware,  never really caught on tho
[01:49] <Minataku> soulrider: Unfortunately, no, they're all on "Permanent" status
[01:49] <intelikey> kinda like the 64 pin
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> !ontopic
[01:49] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the Kubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #kubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> K-Ryan: search dell
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> hey!oh whew
[01:50] <Minataku> The box, not the airholes
[01:50] <genii> intelikey You mean the 3 row of pins type adapter the Sun stuff uses?
[01:50] <K-Ryan> Alright...
[01:50] <Minataku> My Suns all use two-row 50/64
[01:50] <Minataku> D-shell style
[01:50] <intelikey> genii no scsi used 50 64 and 80 pin D connectors for externals
[01:51] <Minataku> Sun was never one for proprietary crap
[01:51] <Minataku> They tried it on a couple machines
[01:51] <Minataku> Got rid of it fairly quickly
[01:51] <genii> Minataku, intelikey  Those ancient full height external Sun SCSI HD I had were weirdo connectors with 3 rows of pins in em
[01:51] <K-Ryan> dell gives nothing
[01:51] <Minataku> I'm thinking of scrapping the Ultra 1
[01:51] <Minataku> genii: Cool :o
[01:51] <bkudria> how can i stop kfind popping up when i hit the search key on my keyboard?  xev reports this keys as 'XF86Search'
[01:51] <tripp> !it
[01:51] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:51] <intelikey> genii yeah that was sun specific
[01:52] <K-Ryan> where in windows would the driver be?
[01:52] <Arwen> K-Ryan, somewhere in system32, what are you trying to do?
[01:52] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Just go to Broadcom's site
[01:52] <intelikey> brb
[01:52] <genii> Well, hate to be a prrty pooper but I have to go help with dishes :)
[01:52] <Minataku> Download a fresh set
[01:52] <genii> bleh typos
[01:52] <Minataku> genii: Aw.... :(
[01:52] <crackhead_25> intelikey: i looked in konsole ps aux and saw there were some cupsys on the lefthand side. what does that mean?
[01:52] <Minataku> I guess I may mess with the U10, try to beat this damn heat
[01:52] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: might be able to get it here http://www.driverguide.com/
[01:53] <Minataku> Beat it by not thinking about it
[01:53] <Minataku> X3
[01:53] <genii> Minataku: I['ll set up some machine when I get home just so I can come back. But I won't be around for maybe 2 hours
[01:53] <Minataku> genii: Heehee, okay ^^
[01:53] <genii> Laters
[01:53] <Minataku> L8r
[01:53] <JerseyMonkey> Question: I am using GAIM atm, but when I modify my buddy list on another computer, and log into GAIM, it has my old buddy list saved, and my new buddy list(I created all new groups) with it, so I'm stuck with a masssive buddy list. How do I wipe the buddy list from the memory of GAIM, so it loads the newest one?
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: #gaim
[01:54] <JerseyMonkey> K, thankyou.
[01:55] <KillerDemon> Khello Kpeople, Khow Kare Kyou Kdoing?
[01:55] <pablo_> hey i'm new to linux how do you install software
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: might be #pidgin these days
[01:55] <KillerDemon> synaptic package manager, pablo_
[01:55] <pablo_>  huh
[01:56] <K-Ryan> Nothing on this driver guide site either
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> pablo_: add/remove packages
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> KillerDemon: its adept in Kubuntu
[01:56] <KillerDemon> ah oke ^^
[01:56] <crackhead_25> question: does anyone know about cups or printers?my printer was working fine until a week or two ago, and then it just stopped working. there's nothing wrong with the printer. the files spool in the cups spooler, and they never come out of "processing".
[01:57] <KillerDemon> nosrednaekim didn't know, using gnome
[01:58] <pablo_> how do you install software
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> K-Ryan: windows partition, "windows"
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> in there should be a folder called 802bg or 802abg
[01:58] <BloodyTux> /slap pablo_
[01:58] <BloodyTux> awwwwwwwww
[01:58] <crackhead_25> anyone?
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> !installing software | pablo_
[01:58] <K-Ryan> i g2g ill check back some other time thanx for youe help
[01:58] <BloodyTux> this doesn't have that command either
[01:59] <pablo_> hey i'm new
[01:59] <pablo_> windows all my life
[01:59] <Daisuke-Ido> KillerDemon: that's a little harsh
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> pablo_: yeah its ok...
[01:59] <KillerDemon> Daisuke-Ido, yeah you're right :o sorry
[01:59] <Daisuke-Ido> pablo_: think different.  this isn't like windows where you venture all over to find software
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> pop up the kmenu (window's start) and in that menu should be a thing called "add-remove packages"
[01:59] <Daisuke-Ido> most of what you'll ever need is in the repositories
[01:59] <BloodyTux> pablo_: in mIRC if you type /slap <name> it'll say "<your name> slaps <name> with a fish"
[01:59] <BloodyTux> DAI!!!!
[02:00] <BloodyTux> Wasup!
[02:00] <Daisuke-Ido> the floor
[02:00] <BloodyTux> ...
[02:00] <BloodyTux> course
[02:00] <Daisuke-Ido> either that or my girlfriend nailed all the furniture to the ceiling while i was passed out...
[02:00] <BloodyTux> lolz
[02:00] <KillerDemon> Daisuke-Ido what did you pass out from >:D
[02:01] <BloodyTux> lolz
[02:01] <Ace2016> furniture to the ceiling while i was passed out...   << not how i thought that'd end after i read the start
[02:01] <KillerDemon> sorry i'm dutch lol :D
[02:01] <BloodyTux> lol nice ace
[02:02] <BloodyTux> anyone need help?
[02:03] <JerseyMonkey> How do I log into root through terminal?
[02:03] <KillerDemon> su
[02:04] <BloodyTux> yea
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: you technically can't.... but sudo bash works pretty well
[02:04] <BloodyTux> was typing long thing :P
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> su... root account isn't enabled.
[02:04] <JerseyMonkey> Hm....I don't remember setting a password for that account.
[02:04] <JerseyMonkey> And it asks for one.
[02:04] <BloodyTux> well you can restart press f8 and go into the root terminal
[02:04] <Daisuke-Ido> KillerDemon: well, i have this disorder...  sometimes i pass out when i poo.
[02:04] <BloodyTux> just enter your password
[02:04] <BloodyTux> ...
[02:04] <Daisuke-Ido> ...bonus points if anyone gets that.
[02:04] <BloodyTux> tmi
[02:04] <KillerDemon> lol
[02:04] <BloodyTux> tmi
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: root account isn't enabled.
[02:05] <JerseyMonkey> How do I enable it?
[02:05] <Daisuke-Ido> i'm guessing BloodyTux doesn't get it
[02:05] <BloodyTux> nope
[02:05] <Daisuke-Ido> JerseyMonkey: there's no reason to.
[02:05] <BloodyTux> tell me
[02:05] <KillerDemon> up here, 99% of the pass-out's i hear of, involve drugs ^^
[02:05] <Daisuke-Ido> no, no drugs :D
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> "sudo passwd root"
[02:05] <BloodyTux> jersey just tpye "sudo <command>" then enter your password
[02:05] <JerseyMonkey> Well, I want to remove GAIM and install Pidgin, they recomended doing 'apt-get remove gaim'
[02:05] <KillerDemon> i'm even smoking a joint right now ;o
[02:05] <BloodyTux> NO
[02:06] <BloodyTux> to both of ya
[02:06] <JerseyMonkey> =|
[02:06] <BloodyTux> do "sudo apt-get build-dep gaim"
[02:06] <Daisuke-Ido> to continue the passing out thing, i'm going over to -offtopic
[02:06] <BloodyTux> then "sudo apt-get install pidgin"
[02:06] <BloodyTux> i think
[02:06] <BloodyTux> or compile from source from pidgin.im
[02:06] <JerseyMonkey> Thankyou very much Tux.
[02:06] <BloodyTux> :)
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: or get a deb from www.getdeb.net
[02:07] <BloodyTux> ....
[02:07] <Otrayo> unless you really want to modify the source apt-get is the best bet
[02:07] <BloodyTux> that works too
[02:08] <BloodyTux> i dont know if pidgin is in apt right now
[02:08] <JerseyMonkey> Couldn't find package pidgin, so yeah its not there yet.
[02:08] <BloodyTux> :)
[02:08] <BloodyTux> you have to compile
[02:09] <BloodyTux> i used kconfigure through make
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: get it from www.getdeb.net!
[02:09] <BloodyTux> then did install
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> without the ! of course
[02:09] <JerseyMonkey> Hm...window closed somehow.
[02:09] <FisherPrice> !sound
[02:09] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: I see you are in the land of high taxes where you have to pay to leave the state.
[02:10] <JerseyMonkey> Hm, wth.
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> I can tell what state you are in from your IP.
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> and domain address
[02:10] <JerseyMonkey> Tux, I used the command you gave to remove GAIM, but GAIM still exists atm.
[02:11] <JerseyMonkey> Do I need to reboot for it to take effect?
[02:11] <KillerDemon> pay to leave the state? :x
[02:11] <wimpies> HI all, I ran an apt-get update.  One package failes because it requires me to update the kernel first.  So I tried to update the kernel but because to package failed, the apt-get is hung.  How can I proceed >
[02:11] <jtmoney> i installed tightvncserver, but whenever i connect to my linux box using tightvnc, it doesn't display a regular x session... it only displays a small terminal box which doesn't display correctly if i resize and won't let me launch startx... anyone know what's wrong?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> Killeryeah, the only way is pretty much over bridges
[02:11] <JerseyMonkey> Ah, my IRC address shows i'm in N
[02:11] <JerseyMonkey> NJ, we have to pay to leave the state?
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> NJ yah, the only way out is bridges (at least in the southern part wher I am)
[02:14] <Otrayo> JerseyMonkey, remove gaim with "sudo apt-get remove gaim"
[02:14] <JerseyMonkey> Spose thats true cuz the north into NY is Tap and GW bridges.
[02:14] <JerseyMonkey> Not sure about the west side of NJ though.
[02:14] <JerseyMonkey> Thankyou Otrayo.
[02:15] <Otrayo> np
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=Pidgin
[02:15] <BloodyTux> hey whats a program that builds deb packages
[02:16] <JerseyMonkey> Question: What does 'apt-get remove' do? Does it remove every package with the tag specified in it?
[02:16] <BloodyTux> apt-get remove gaim
[02:16] <BloodyTux> would remove gaim
[02:17] <JerseyMonkey> Cuz I did 'sudo apt-get remove gaim' and it said it removed 'ubuntu-desktop' 'nautilus sendto'  & 'gaim'
[02:17] <BloodyTux> but do as i said, "sudo apt-get build-dep gaim" then goto getdeb.net and download the pidgin package
[02:17] <Otrayo> :apt-get remove <package>" removes <package>
[02:17] <Otrayo> why would he want to build-dep?
[02:17] <BloodyTux> yea because nautilus and ubunt-desktop depend on gaim
[02:17] <BloodyTux> thats what i did
[02:17] <BloodyTux> and it works perfect
[02:17] <JerseyMonkey> What is 'ubuntu desktop'?
[02:17] <Otrayo> oic, BloodyTux
[02:17] <BloodyTux> thats what the #pidgin people said
[02:17] <soulrider> i like to use aptitude, sudo aptitude purge gaim
[02:18] <BloodyTux> Jersey: EVERYTHING!!!
[02:18] <soulrider> that will also remove config files
[02:18] <BloodyTux> but you can remove
[02:18] <BloodyTux> but anyway
[02:18] <BloodyTux> dont uninstall gaim
[02:18] <Otrayo> build-dep installs the dependencies for a package
[02:18] <Otrayo> so, i guess you could apt-get remove gaim and then apt-get build-dep gaim to reinstall nautilus and ubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <BloodyTux> pidgin is based off gaim and a lot of things pidgin depends on arent included in the base ubuntu
[02:19] <JerseyMonkey> Hm...wth.
[02:19] <JerseyMonkey> I keep somehow closing this IRC client.
[02:19] <JerseyMonkey> No idea how.
[02:19] <BloodyTux> lolz
[02:19] <Otrayo> JerseyMonkey, are you running ubuntu or kubuntu
[02:19] <Otrayo> ?
[02:19] <JerseyMonkey> Ubuntu.
[02:20] <Sayers> How do I reset the Kwallet Master Password?
[02:20] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm having some minor issues with characters not displaying.  For example, the "" (pound sign) does not show in emails in thunderbird.  How can I resolve htis?
[02:20] <Otrayo> ah ok, i was gonna say that if you're using kubuntu you could try kopete since it uses kde-libs
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: now we could tell you to just go over to #ubuntu or DL KDE...
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> :-D
[02:21] <BloodyTux> why are you in kuduntu if your not running kubuntu?
[02:21] <BloodyTux> yea
[02:21] <Otrayo> Lunar_Lamp: is there no way where you can select your character set
[02:21] <Otrayo> ?
[02:21] <BloodyTux> :has kde and gnome :D
[02:21] <BloodyTux> oops
[02:21] <BloodyTux> wtf
[02:21] <BloodyTux> great
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> yah I do to.... I prefer KDE
[02:21] <BloodyTux> !netsplit
[02:21] <Otrayo> haha
[02:21] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[02:22] <JerseyMonkey> Hm...didn't even notice I was in kubuntu.
[02:22] <Lunar_Lamp> Ah Otrayo, yes, I've just told ubuntu to use a diff charset by default - thanks :-)
[02:22] <BloodyTux> lolz
[02:22] <JerseyMonkey> I installed Konversation, and this was the deafult channel to join on Ubuntu's network.
[02:22] <BloodyTux> ubuntu is more hectic
[02:22] <Otrayo> Lunar_Lamp, np :)
[02:22] <Sayers> How do I change my KDE Wallet password?
[02:22] <BloodyTux> because konversation is a kde app
[02:22] <BloodyTux> kde is part of kubuntu not ubuntu
[02:22] <numist> everything ok in here?
[02:22] <BloodyTux> omg
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> numist: no.. nothing is ever OK HERE!
[02:23] <BloodyTux> yea
[02:23] <BloodyTux> gosh
[02:23] <numist> heh, that was fun, wasnt it? >_<
[02:23] <JerseyMonkey> Anyways: I got Pidgin installed and removed GAIM, and somehow it still has the buddy list memory i've been after to clear out. =/
[02:23] <Otrayo> Sayers, i dunno how to change the master password, but maybe create a new wallet?
[02:23] <JerseyMonkey> Whats the reason to use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu?
[02:23] <Otrayo> JerseyMonkey, your buddy list is stored on the remote server
[02:23] <JerseyMonkey> No, not that. =P
[02:24] <JerseyMonkey> GAIM and Pidgin keep a 'cache' of sorts of your buddy list.
[02:24] <Otrayo> JerseyMonkey, its a preference thing, gnome vs. kde vs xfce/blackbox/icebox/etc
[02:24] <BloodyTux> ive had 3 packs today...
[02:24] <BloodyTux> its like cigs
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> JerseyMonkey: its got way more eyecady and configurability
[02:24] <JerseyMonkey> I modified my buddy list on a dif comp, and GAIM kept a history of my old buddy list, and added the new groups to the list even though I deleted the other groups it still holds.
[02:25] <JerseyMonkey> GAIM holds a memory of your buddy lists, even after you remove the accounts from the list.
[02:25] <Otrayo> hey guys, you should try out cmyos.com, its rather interesting
[02:25] <BloodyTux> ...
[02:25] <JerseyMonkey> So, if I delete all the groups on AIM on windows, and AIM says I have no friends, GAIM will boot up with all my old groups still there.
[02:25] <Sayers> Otrayo: how?
[02:25] <Otrayo> damn, its broken now
[02:26] <numist> sorry guys, incoming botnet
[02:26] <Otrayo> was working a few hours ago
[02:26] <Otrayo> Sayers, start up kwalletmanager, you'll see a picture of your wallet. right click -> change password
[02:26] <BloodyTux> whats +r
[02:26] <Otrayo> no need to create a new wallet
[02:26] <Otrayo> only registered users i think
[02:27] <BloodyTux> oh
[02:27] <BloodyTux> whos not registereD?
[02:27] <BloodyTux> how can you tell?
[02:28] <Otrayo> chanserv checks
[02:28] <ardchoille> BloodyTux: You're id'd, so you're registered :)
[02:28] <Otrayo> it sees if a nick is registered with nickserv and id'd and if it is lets the user in
[02:28] <crackhead_25> question: does anyone know how to restart the cups service?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> /etc/init.d/cupsys restart?
[02:28] <ardchoille> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart  ?
[02:29] <ardchoille> hehe, must be it
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> yep
[02:29] <BloodyTux> :)
[02:29] <BloodyTux> soooooooo...
[02:29] <BloodyTux> how do you build deb packages?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> 1packages
[02:30] <ardchoille> BloodyTux: I have just the url for you
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> !packages
[02:30] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[02:30] <ardchoille> BloodyTux: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> oh we are graced by the presence of a Kubuntu developer... Hobbsee!
[02:31] <BloodyTux> anyone else play?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> first life (tm) is enough..
[02:32] <Sayers> yes
[02:32] <Sayers> seccond life is to perverted anywho
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hiya nosrednaekim
[02:32] <BloodyTux> ???
[02:32] <BloodyTux> how?
[02:32] <khem> hey I am trying to run Thunderbird 2.0 on kubuntu 7.04 all I am getting is segfault any help ?
[02:33] <BloodyTux> sayers: how is it perverted
[02:33] <Otrayo> khem, there's nothing much you can do about a segmentation fault
[02:33] <Sayers> it is
[02:34] <BloodyTux> ??
[02:34] <khem> has anybody got it going on kubuntu
[02:34] <Otrayo> its usually a sign of a bug in the code, a segmentation fault usually means that an area of memory can't be accessed
[02:34] <Otrayo> khem, did you install the ubuntu package?
[02:35] <khem> Otrayo: thats the problem, ubuntu 7.04 comes with thunderbird 1.5 that works
[02:35] <khem> Otrayo: but I want 2.0 which I could not find a package
[02:35] <khem> Otrayo: do you have any pointers
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> khem: www.getdeb.net
[02:36] <Otrayo> khem, segmentation faults are a result of buggy code usually. i'd wait for an official package
[02:36] <khem> is there a backport for fiesty planned?
[02:36] <ardchoille> khem: Keep in mind that using any .deb package is dangerous to your system. You need to find .deb's which were built for an ubuntu system.
[02:37] <khem> ardchoille: yeah
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: khem: that link I posted b4 has packages for ubuntu of thunderbird 2.0
[02:37] <Otrayo> but why run thunderbird on a kde system. kmail as part of the kontact suite is a lot better imo
[02:37] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Yeah, getdeb is good, I was just wanting to give him a heads up about using any old deb
[02:38] <Otrayo> time for me to attempt some kde4 hacking
[02:38] <ardchoille> kmail is awesome.. as is the rest of the suite
[02:38] <Otrayo> and the suite is gonna get even better once kmobiletools is integrated
[02:38] <khem> ardchoille: I could not get IMAP filtering working as I wanted
[02:39] <khem> ardchoille: in thunderbird it would do filtering from IMAP folder to IMAP folder I could not do that with kmail
[02:39] <khem> if you guys have any hints for me I am all for kmail
[02:40] <khem> nosrednaekim: I did not see thunderbird 2 there :(
[02:40] <ardchoille> I feel like a dummy, I don't even know what imap is. I've used pop3 only
[02:40] <khem> nosrednaekim: do i have to register first on that site
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> khem: hmm thought they had it... no you don't
[02:40] <MaTiAz> What package do I need to apt-get to install X composite extension?
[02:40] <khem> beryl
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> MaTiAz: none.
[02:42] <BloodyTux> bbl
[02:42] <MaTiAz> Well, whenever I try to run Beryl, it crashes and launches the fallback window manager
[02:42] <MaTiAz> And the system compatibility test says "Checking for XComposite extension : failed"
[02:43] <RickKnight> Anyone here been able to successfully apply the openswan-2.4.4-linux-2.6.14.patch
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> MaTiAz: oh... do you have an ati card?
[02:43] <MaTiAz> nosrednaekim: No, the weird thing is that I have an Nvidia card so it should work fine, but on my lappy with an old ATI Mobility Radeon it works fine :D
[02:43] <MaTiAz> The drivers are correctly installed and DRI works fine
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> MaTiAz: you have the proprietary nvidia driver?
[02:44] <MaTiAz> Yeah
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> and do you have anything at the end of your xorg about composite being disabled?
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> MaTiAz: technically this should be over at #ubuntu-effects
[02:44] <MaTiAz> Ok
[02:44] <MaTiAz> Composite seems to be disabled :)
[02:45] <MaTiAz> Thanks :)
[02:45] <Minataku> The Sun Ultra 10, codename "ULTRA10" has been demoted from "Extended Provisionary" to "Failed Operational Testing" :(
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> yep.
[02:45] <crdlb> MaTiAz, what nvidia card is it?
[02:47] <MaTiAz> crdlb: Geforce 6200
[02:48] <crdlb> MaTiAz, then enabling composite should do it
[02:48] <crdlb> (if it were an older card, that wouldn't be enough)
[02:48] <MaTiAz> Yeah, works now
[02:48] <MaTiAz> Except for the title bars are missing :D
[02:48] <MaTiAz> But I remember solving that issue once... hmm
[02:48] <crdlb> MaTiAz, yeah you need to run a command
[02:48] <crdlb> join #beryl
[02:48] <MaTiAz> ok
[02:51] <Daisuke-Ido> addsomethingvisuals
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> ARGB?
[02:51] <Daisuke-Ido> that's it
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> something like tht
[02:51] <crdlb> AddARGBGLXVisuals
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> ahh.
[02:51] <Daisuke-Ido> yes!
[03:03] <RickKnight> Has anyone been able to successfully apply openswan-2.4.4-linux-2.6.14.patch?
[03:05] <jhutchins_lt> RickKnight: I think you're actually looking for someone who's failed to apply it and figured out why.
[03:05] <jhutchins_lt> RickKnight: Sorry, nobody here but us ducklings.
[03:07] <RickKnight> Jhutchins_it: Yes. Or SOmone who has applied and can help me figure out why I can't.
[03:09] <Olgem> Oh, thank god.
[03:09] <Olgem> :|
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah?
[03:10] <Olgem> When I restarted kubuntu, it booted me into command line mode. It says that kdm is running, but it wasn't working. So I just restarted kdm with sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start but that does nothing, and I have to ctrl+alt+f1 and use command line.
[03:10] <Olgem> Any ideas?
[03:10] <Olgem> :(
[03:11] <Otrayo> Olgem, what did you do before it stopped working?
[03:12] <Olgem> A lot, I installed it 14 days ago and had it running since then. Lots of software installs, but the most relevent thing I can think of was installing nvidia xorg drivers and having it auto-config my xorg.conf
[03:12] <Otrayo> and then it stopped working?
[03:12] <NamShubCMX>  Olgem: what does cat /var/log/XOrg.0.log tell you?
[03:12] <NamShubCMX> (look for the [EE]  lines)
[03:12] <Olgem> Well, if I had gnuscreen or something I could do that easily
[03:13] <Olgem> irssi :/
[03:13] <NamShubCMX> ctrl+alt+f2
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> INterestingly, I just had a complaint about the same exact thing.
[03:13] <NamShubCMX> return with ctrl+alt+f1
[03:13] <Olgem> thanks brb
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> Olgem: you have to do /etc/init.d/kdm restart, not start
[03:17] <Olgem> heh
[03:17] <Olgem> Ok, it failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module
[03:17] <Olgem> screens found, none with usable configuration
[03:17] <Olgem> fatal error: no screens found
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> Olgem: there ya go,
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> switch to the nv driver temorarily
[03:18] <Arwen> Olgem, your kernel module is b0rk3d then
[03:18] <Olgem> How would I switch to the nv driver :/
[03:19] <Arwen> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:19] <BloodyTux> back
[03:19] <Olgem> thanks, I'll try that.
[06:37] <a-865> is there some way to configure the automounter to never automatically eject a CD?
[06:39] <makuseru> !web development
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about web development - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <Bdonohue> Is there a KDE Folding@Home client?
[06:48] <Minataku> If there isn't, it doesn't have to be a KDE one
[06:49] <Bdonohue> I mean, is there a GUI client at all?
[06:49] <Bdonohue> Or a package, or just installing from source
[06:49] <Bdonohue> Because I'll go and do that, I was just wondering first.
[06:50] <Minataku> Does it really need a GUI client?
[06:50] <Minataku> I'd check their website
[06:50] <Minataku> I'm sure there's a bunch of clients there
[06:50] <rathel> Is there away to make a backup script that copys everything in a directory and puts it in like .tar.bz2 format? and if you run the script again It'll only overwrite the changed files? It was easy to make one with RAR on Windows, dunno where to begin here.
[06:51] <c1|freaky> man tar gives u all the info u need forthat
[06:51] <Bdonohue> Nah, not really, but there's only one console client.
[06:52] <Bdonohue> I just wanted some pretty visualization.
[06:52] <Minataku> Heehee
[06:52] <Minataku> Just get xscreensaver and the one that spins around the 3D chemicals :3
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> Minataku, some pretty interesting ones in there, huh :)
[06:53] <Bdonohue> Hahaha
[06:53] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Indeed
[06:53] <Bdonohue> I'm not too sure how happy I am with KDE... I just switched back today after using Gnome for three months.
[06:54] <Bdonohue> I think I need to do some customizing.
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> Bdonohue, that is one thing kde is good with
[06:55] <Minataku> The other thing it's good with is practically everything else
[06:55] <Bdonohue> I've been using Ubuntu since Hoary, haha, I've experimented, but went back to Gnome all the time. Hated flux, didn't mind KDE but things don't seem natural.
[06:55] <Minataku> But then it's easy to be better than GNOME
[06:55] <Minataku> (Sorry, I _hate_ GNOME)
[06:55] <Bdonohue> I definitely don't mind KDE, that said.
[06:56] <Bdonohue> But I think the biggest thing for me is when I'm using KDE I still have GTK programs I use, but if I'm using Gnome I never use QT stuff.
[06:56] <Bdonohue> Like I didn't even need it installed.
[06:56] <Bdonohue> Any of the libraries I mean.
[06:56] <Minataku> Heh
[06:56] <Minataku> That's because there's a lot of GTK programs
[06:56] <Minataku> Not as many Qt ones
[06:57] <Minataku> I must say, in my fresh install of Gentoo here, I'm much happier with GTK
[06:57] <Minataku> In my last install practically everything GTK would crash when doing any of the following actions:
[06:58] <Minataku> > Clicking buttons
[06:58] <Minataku> > Clicking other things
[06:58] <Minataku> > Thinking about the running application
[06:58] <Minataku> > Thinking about other applications
[06:58] <Minataku> > Thinking
[06:58] <Minataku> > Not thinking
[06:58] <Minataku> Or get your degree
[06:58] <Minataku> I mean, etc.
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> XD
[06:59] <Minataku> ^^
[07:00] <bob111> Argh.
[07:00] <bob111> I love random disconnects.
[07:00] <bob111> And how I can't use my nick now.
[07:00] <bob111> BLAH
[07:00] <bob111> Anyway, yeah.
[07:00] <Minataku> bob111: It'll ping out soon
[07:00] <Minataku> If it's registered you can ghost it
[07:00] <bob111> It is, but it won't let me change my nick to it.
[07:01] <bob111> How do I ghost?
[07:01] <Minataku> /msg nickserv ghost nickname password
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> guess it worked :)
[07:02] <Bdonohue> Good to go.
[07:02] <Bdonohue> Thanks.
[07:02] <Minataku> np
[07:03] <Bdonohue> I think the biggest thing about KDE in Ubuntu though is LACK OF CONTROL CENTER
[07:03] <Bdonohue> Haha
[07:03] <Bdonohue> If I could get that, I'd be happy.
[07:03] <hitmanWilly> Bdonohue, which one? system settings or kcontrol?
[07:04] <Bdonohue> Uhm the whole integrated panel thing that comes standard with KDE.
[07:04] <Bdonohue> Might be kControl.
[07:04] <Bdonohue> Nope.
[07:04] <Bdonohue> System Settings
[07:04] <Bdonohue> Nope
[07:04] <Bdonohue> KControl
[07:05] <crdlb> !enter | Bdonohue
[07:05] <ubotu> Bdonohue: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:05] <Bdonohue> Is crdlb a bot too?
[07:05] <Minataku> No
[07:05] <Bdonohue> Lol.
[07:05] <crdlb> that would be kind of pointless...
[07:05] <Minataku> I think the administration of the channel is just getting more hardassed
[07:05] <Bdonohue> Because, each line was a new development, haha.
[07:06] <Minataku> Probably got berated by Ubuntu HQ for being too nice
[07:06] <Bdonohue> I like this channel better, more things seem to get done.
[07:06] <Minataku> I've heard that #ubuntu is falling apart a bit
[07:07] <Minataku> Probably too strict
[07:07] <Bdonohue> Anyway, about KControl... The problem I had before was that although I could get it installed I couldn't get it integrated.
[07:07] <Bdonohue> Lol, at least you can get in there without registering your nick.
[07:07] <Rictoo> guys
[07:07] <Bdonohue> Yes?
[07:07] <Minataku> Rictoo: What did you break this time?
[07:07] <Minataku> j/k
[07:07] <Minataku> X3
[07:07] <Rictoo> I set up a webserver and I put all the http stuff in a folder called 'htdocs'. Is there a way I can put a folder on my desktop that will act like a tunnel to this folder?
[07:07] <Rictoo> So I can just put stuff into the folder on my desktop, and it will go to htdocs?
[07:08] <Bdonohue> Minataku, I'll let you take that one. *slinks away*
[07:08] <Minataku> A symlink
[07:08] <Rictoo> Minataku: -.-'
[07:08] <Rictoo> ok
[07:08] <Rictoo> ln?
[07:08] <Minataku> Yep
[07:08] <Rictoo> that's all? :O
[07:08] <Minataku> Don't ask me how to do it
[07:08] <Rictoo> Just like MAGICK???
[07:08] <Minataku> I _ALWAYS_ get it backwards
[07:08] <Bdonohue> Haha, I don't even know what a symlink is for.
[07:08] <Minataku> Rictoo: Pretty much
[07:08] <Minataku> A symlink to the folder is all
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> Minataku, nah, most of the extreme newbies end up in #ubuntu, and i think the ops/regulars get tired of it after awhile....
[07:09] <Jucato> Bdonohue: symlink is like Shortcuts in Windows (if you've used Windows)
[07:09] <Rictoo> Minataku: but I need to be sudo to edit the real htdocs folder
[07:09] <Jucato> basically a "soft" link to a file/folder
[07:09] <Bdonohue> But a little more complicated to set up, right?
[07:09] <Rictoo> so how would I make me not to need sudo to put stuff in this folder? (not smart, I know)
[07:09] <Minataku> Rictoo: In that case, you're kinda messed
[07:09] <Rictoo> ,meh
[07:09] <Minataku> I'd make an interim folder
[07:09] <Rictoo> ij
[07:09] <Rictoo> ok
[07:09] <Jucato> Bdonohue: nope. very easy. command line or GUI
[07:09] <Rictoo> interim folder?
[07:09] <Bdonohue> Ah.
[07:09] <Minataku> One you can put stuff in as nonroot
[07:09] <Bdonohue> Let me try.
[07:09] <Rictoo> rictoo@rictoo-desktop:~$ ln htdocs /opt/lampp/htdocs
[07:09] <Rictoo> ln: `htdocs': hard link not allowed for directory
[07:09] <Minataku> Then just mv to htdocs as root
[07:10] <Minataku> Or even better
[07:10] <Minataku> Set up a cronjob to do it automatically every so often
[07:10] <Jucato> Bdonohue: in KDE, you just drag and drop a file/folder, then from the popup that pops up (er.. redundant), choose "Link here"
[07:10] <Rictoo> haha
[07:10] <Minataku> X3
[07:10] <Rictoo> good idea
[07:10] <Rictoo> but
[07:10] <Rictoo> I'm confused, since I need to be root to do that
[07:10] <Rictoo> and is cron automatically root?
[07:10] <Rictoo> or what?
[07:10] <Minataku> I think cron runs things with root privs
[07:11] <Bdonohue> Oh, haha... I remember the old command somewhere in a menu that said "Create Symlink" and couldn't figure it out.
[07:11] <Bdonohue> No, it doesn't.
[07:11] <Minataku> If not, just manually move things from the interim folder every so often
[07:11] <Rictoo> :\
[07:11] <Rictoo> meh
[07:11] <Minataku> I don't think I even use cron at all
[07:11] <Jucato> Bdonohue: btw, what problem were you having with kcontrol/system settings?
[07:11] <Bdonohue> Jucato: I just would like to get it set up.
[07:11] <Rictoo> I'll just 'sudo mv file.ext /opt/xmampp/htdocs'
[07:11] <Rictoo> :P
[07:11] <Minataku> I think the only things that do are system-assigned tasks
[07:11] <Bdonohue> Minataku: I use it to start mplayer to wake me up.
[07:11] <Jucato> Bdonohue: in what sense? Press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol" doesn't work for you?
[07:12] <Bdonohue> It's just not integrated into the system as in other distributions. I mean, it's not default.
[07:13] <Minataku> Yeah, every one of my cronjobs were placed there by packages/system
[07:13] <Jucato> Bdonohue: could you explain a bit more?
[07:13] <Minataku> I have "rkhunter" that runs daily, it seems, and "chkrootkit" and "makewhatis" that run weekly
[07:13] <Bdonohue> Jucato: I'd rather not have System Settings there, I'd rather have kcontrol. But now that I think of it I can just change the command the link on the menu runs. *hits self with brick*
[07:13] <Jucato> Bdonohue: you can just Edit the K Menu, remove System Settings and put back Control Center :)
[07:13] <Bdonohue> Yeah.
[07:13] <Bdonohue> I just changed the command.
[07:14] <Jucato> anyway, both System Settings and KControl use the same modules...
[07:14] <Bdonohue> I like the label. Yeah, I knew that part, I just like how KControl is organized.
[07:14] <Bdonohue> More in one place rather than like a Windows control panel.
[07:15] <Bdonohue> Now for the hunt for a window decoration!
[07:15] <Bdonohue> There's a girl... Here... Now?
[07:15] <Bdonohue> Oh.
[07:16] <Bdonohue> That's the window decoration.
[07:16] <Bdonohue> OOPS! Sorry crdlb.
[07:16] <Jucato> :P
[07:16] <Bdonohue> Crystal seems to "blah"
[07:17] <Bdonohue> What is deKorator?
[07:17] <c1|freaky> how can i watch video files from the internet with kaffeine?
[07:18] <hitmanWilly> Bdonohue, you know, you can use a different wm under kde for some really interesting window decorations
[07:18] <Jucato> !changethemes | Bdonohue
[07:18] <ubotu> Bdonohue: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[07:18] <Jucato> Bdonohue: see the last link
[07:18] <Jucato> (Window Decoration section)
[07:19] <Bdonohue> hitmanWilly: I'm not interested in anything compositing though... They were nice in Gnome but I got annoyed with the whole thing.
[07:19] <Bdonohue> I know how to install window decorations, but thanks for the link :)
[07:19] <Jucato> Bdonohue: er... the link I pointed to explained about deKorator
[07:19] <Jucato> if you read it first, you would have noticed :)
[07:20] <Bdonohue> Oh.
[07:20] <Bdonohue> Sorry.
[07:20] <Bdonohue> So what would you suggest? Compiling themes, IceWM or deKorator?
[07:20] <hitmanWilly> Bdonohue, twm under kde, now that's interesting :P
[07:21] <Bdonohue> Haha
[07:21] <Jucato> Bdonohue: compile neither. they're available in our repository :)
[07:21] <Bdonohue> I meant native decorations.
[07:22] <Jucato> well, both are "native" decorations. but both allow you to use pixmaps to theme the window
[07:22] <Jucato> !info kwin-style-decorator
[07:22] <ubotu> Package kwin-style-decorator does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:22] <Jucato> !info kwin-style-dekorator
[07:22] <ubotu> kwin-style-dekorator: windows decoration for kde using user-supplied PNG files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1 (feisty), package size 173 kB, installed size 420 kB
[07:22] <Jucato> sorry... ^^^^
[07:22] <Jucato> in case you wanna play with it
[07:22] <Jucato> I forgot the package name that installs the kde icewm window decoration, but I think I mentioned it in the guide
[07:25] <Bdonohue> I. Hate. Wireless.
[07:26] <Jucato> better than nothing, though :)
[07:26] <Bdonohue> Definitely.
[07:26] <Bdonohue> Can I change the colour of a pixmap?
[07:27] <Jucato> hm.. a specific part/button? I think dekorator has some settings for that. otherwise, you can change the image... pixmaps are just small images in .xpm format (I think)
[07:28] <Bdonohue> Yeah, I'm not used to using window decorations like that, haha.
[07:29] <Bdonohue> Are dekorator themes installed to ~/.dekorator?
[07:29] <Jucato> ugh!!! I wish kmail had a "mark as read on the server when fetched" feature :(
[07:29] <Jucato> um.. can't recall. sorry
[07:29] <Jucato> you can check that or in ~/.kde/share/apps/dekorator (if the locaiton exists)
[07:36] <sparr> when i launch non-kde apps from desktop/panel shortcuts, i get a bouncing cursor icon and a useless button on my taskbar for like 30 seconds.  how can i avoid that?
[07:37] <Bdonohue> You know that "Hold the Button" game at www.holdthebutton.com?
[07:37] <Bdonohue> I've been cheating for the last 3 hours.
[07:38] <Jucato> sparr: if you want to turn off the bouncing cursor, press Alt+F2, type "kcontrol", go to Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback
[07:38] <Bdonohue> You just click on it, then right click before you let go of the left and use the menu as a bridge out of the flash window and then minimize it and send it to a far off desktop.
[07:39] <sparr> Jucato: omg thank you...  its been killing some of my games
[07:40] <Jucato> :)
[07:54] <Kprofthreat> Can anyone assist me with installing ndiswrapper a bit more in depth? I am on my Windows install now as it is the only one that works online. So any instruction- like what to download and steps to take in advance, is appreciated.
[08:36] <Chani> so, uh, I just came out of hibernation, and my battery monitor's gone all wonky. cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/* is hanging too
[08:37] <Chani> this worries me.
[08:45] <cj_> hello Jucato
[08:46] <Chani>  somehow kio seems messed up too.
[08:46] <Chani> and kontact was frozen for a long time.
[08:48] <Chani> oh darn. I forgot I have a lot more mail since that little gmail incident
[08:48] <kraut> moin
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> how can I check my memory CLI
[09:15] <crimsun> free -m
[09:15] <crimsun> although you haven't specified what type of memory...
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> how much RAM I have recognized by my system
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> that does the trick. thanks crimsun.
[09:17] <crimsun> grep LOWMEM -B1 /var/log/dmesg
[09:34] <epimeth> quiet morning....
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> thats a cool command.
[09:39] <epimeth> it was an observation
[09:39] <epimeth> :-)
[09:40] <epimeth> Admiral_Chicago: ... you know anything about configuring apache?
[09:41] <ksivaji> epimeth Admiral_Chicago hi
[09:41] <ksivaji> is there any animation software in kubuntu
[09:41] <epimeth> ksivaji: hi :-)
[09:41] <epimeth> ummm... probably?
[09:42] <epimeth> I dunno... not much of a designer/artist
[09:42] <ksivaji> !animation
[09:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about animation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <epimeth> !ktoon
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktoon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <epimeth> !info ktoon
[09:44] <ubotu> Package ktoon does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:45] <epimeth> ksivaji: a little web search brought up ktoon... take a look at that maybe?
[09:45] <ksivaji> epimeth ok thank u dear
[09:48] <DraxNS> hello
[09:48] <ksivaji> epimeth nope
[09:48] <DraxNS> anyone had luck with slmodem on feisty?
[09:48] <epimeth> hallo DraxNS... sorry, don't even know what that is
[09:48] <DraxNS> modem driver :-)
[09:49] <DraxNS> I have read miles of lines... and ended up confused... is there issue with alsa or with kernel....
[09:51] <epimeth> ksivaji: I'm behind a firewall... strange tho, I'd figure DCC should work
[09:51] <epimeth> DraxNS: there's *always* an issue with also *and* the kernel :-)
[09:51] <DraxNS> :-D
[09:52] <epimeth> DraxNS: stick around, someone should be able to help you... also, try ##linux
[09:52] <DraxNS> hmmm will try #Linux...
[09:52] <DraxNS> AFAIK there is no linmodems channel.. am I right/
[09:52] <DraxNS> ?
[09:54] <epimeth> dunno
[09:54] <epimeth> never had to, either :-)
[09:55] <illriginal> Does anyone know if this command: /home/illriginal/startberyl.sh @ start up is causing the File browser to start everytime I log on?!
[09:56] <epimeth> illriginal: that looks to be a script for starting beryl... pastebin its contents?
[09:57] <illriginal> k
[09:58] <illriginal> http://pastebin.ca/578333 epimeth
[10:03] <Chani> what do you do when kill -9 fails to kill something?
[10:03] <ksivaji> Chani  use sudo
[10:03] <illriginal> epimeth, what do you think?
[10:03] <Chani> o.0
[10:04] <Chani> really? it's being run as the same user
[10:04] <Chani> ksivaji: didn't work
[10:04] <Chani> kde4@doozer:~$ ps aux | grep cat
[10:04] <Chani> kde4     18176  0.0  0.0   2808   592 pts/6    D+   15:51   0:00 cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
[10:05] <ksivaji> Chani are u sure the process is running but cant be killed by "sudo kill -9  pid"
[10:05] <makuseru> how can i check in a term to see if i have a package installed
[10:05] <Chani> yes, I'm very sure.
[10:06] <Chani> kde4@doozer:~$ sudo kill -9 18176
[10:06] <Chani> Password:
[10:06] <Chani> kde4@doozer:~$ ps aux | grep cat
[10:06] <Chani> kde4     18176  0.0  0.0   2808   592 pts/6    D+   15:51   0:00 cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
[10:06] <makuseru> no flooding Chani
[10:07] <ksivaji> Chani press ctrl+esc u will get process table select the process to be killed and press kill button
[10:07] <Chani> ksivaji: um, no, that'll just end up going down the same path
[10:07] <Chani> maybe #gentoo will have some experience with this kind of thing
[10:08] <makuseru> how can i check in a term to see if i have a package installed
[10:09] <epimeth> illriginal: not sure... adesklets --nautilus sounds like it starts up nautilus buuuut it might just be starting the adesklets engine.  try adding a # before that line and restarting
[10:10] <ksivaji> makuseru "sudo apt-get install packagename" if it is already installed u will get message "packagename is already a new version"
[10:10] <illriginal> so I should take off --nautilus?
[10:10] <makuseru> ksivaji: i dont want it to install if it isnt
[10:13] <ksivaji> makuseru actually it will ask u that this package will consume this much size u want to install or not then u can say no
[10:13] <ksivaji> makuseru or press ctrl+c to terminate that
[10:14] <makuseru> ksivaji: thats not always true
[10:14] <makuseru> and i know there is a command to find out, but i dont remember it
[10:15] <ksivaji> makuseru may be
[10:15] <ksivaji> makuseru u know to first few character of that command ?
[10:15] <makuseru> no
[10:16] <makuseru> it was only lik 2 characters long
[10:16] <makuseru> like*
[10:19] <dranas> hi ppl
[10:20] <dranas> anyone on?
[10:21] <epimeth> yup :-)
[10:21] <dranas> hey i got a quick question, should i chence it and upgrae from edgy to fiesty?
[10:21] <dranas> chance*
[10:22] <dranas> oi im tired
[10:22] <dranas> lol
[10:22] <epimeth> ummm... maybe?
[10:22] <waylandbill> dranas: should be little risk and fiesty will update more than edgy.
[10:23] <epimeth> you might as well install it on another partition just to see if you like it or not
[10:23] <dranas> will i have to reinstall ndiswrapper and everything else?
[10:23] <waylandbill> edgy isn't LTS as dapper was. sooner or later updates will be next to non-existant I'd imagine.
[10:23] <dranas> i just hear bad things about fiesty
[10:24] <waylandbill> dranas: if you have a new install you would. An upgrade they'll just be put to latest versions.
[10:24] <epimeth> dranas: then let me be the first to say: I'm enjoying it thuroughly
[10:24] <dranas> ^_^
[10:24] <waylandbill> probably good things too. There's always nay-sayers.
[10:25] <oslo>  hi . "For Kernel 2.6 just load the ``usbnet.ko'' module into the kernel modprobe usbnet, it is already included." - How Can i do this ? DO you know ?
[10:25] <dranas> ok ill upgrade, should i do it via kubuntu update, or do it how the web site dictates?
[10:25] <epimeth> dranas: I'd suggest a fresh install
[10:25] <epimeth> dranas: many many people have been in here complaining about a broken update
[10:26] <dranas> well i had tried to install ubuntu fiesty a while back and i couldnt get it to install so i started with kubuntu dapper then upgraded to edgy
[10:27] <dranas> maybe ill just wait till they get the bugs worked out of the updater
[10:27] <dranas> i just switch from open suse today lol
[10:27] <dranas> its not to hard to get a hang of this
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: nope
[10:27] <dranas> suse gave me a bunch of trouble
[10:28] <dranas> and on kubuntu i actually got my printer to work
[10:29] <Kprofthreat> Can anyone help me? I'm trying to get ndiswrapper working, (already have driver and the tar.gz) but it needs the dependencies. I know the easiest way to get it working is a wired download, but that is not possible. Anyone know where I can download the dependencies for ndiswrapper?
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> ksivaji: have you checked out blender
[10:29] <dranas> oooo
[10:29] <epimeth> Admiral_Chicago: what nope?
[10:29] <dranas> i can show you
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> Kprofthreat: apt-get build ndiswrapper
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> err build-dep nidwrapper
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get build-dep ndiswrapper
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: about apace
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> configuring apache*
[10:30] <epimeth> ahhh
[10:30] <epimeth> lol
[10:30] <epimeth> took you a while
[10:30] <epimeth> :-)
[10:31] <ksivaji> Admiral_Chicago what is that blender
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i had my away message up
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> ksivaji:  Blender is an integrated 3d suite for modelling, animation, rendering,
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago>  post-production, interactive creation and playback (games)
[10:34] <ksivaji> Admiral_Chicago ok i will see and tell u
[10:35] <ksivaji> Admiral_Chicago can i open output file of blender in windows
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i think there is a windows port
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> yea there is
[10:58] <Gerrit> Hello
[11:02] <ksivaji> !Blender
[11:03] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[11:03] <Gerrit> When I tried to login on kdm this morning, my screen went blank and X would restart, and I would get back the login screen. It was resolved when I removed (renamed) my .xsession. There are two xmodmap-commands in my .xsession. Neither .xsession-errors nor /var/log/Xorg.0.log lists any errors. Where else can I look for errors caused by my two xmodmap-commands in .xsession? (they were: xmodmad /etc/xmodmap.conf; xmodmap -e 'keysym Menu = Multi_key'
[11:04] <alexicon> anyone in here use gnome?
[11:04] <alexicon> my music used to play when id hover over the icon in the file manager, now it doesnt seem to work..
[11:04] <alexicon> should probably go to #ubuntu but i dont like them as much :P
[11:05] <alexicon> and does anyone know of a good movie converter for psp??
[11:26] <Kprofthreat> Can anyone assist me with installing ndiswrapper? I'm using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn. I already know how to install my drivers, but the problem right now is ndiswrapper. BTW, I CANNOT use apt-get cause my comp doesn't have LAN ports. Anyway, here's a pastebin http://www.pastebin.ca/578471
[11:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Kprofthreat: ndiswrapper is on the liveCD afaik
[11:37] <Kprofthreat> I tried that, it didn't work either
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> ah, sorry then can't be of more help than that
[11:53] <ksivaji> how to see konqueror history
[11:54] <Jucato> ksivaji: press F9, then in the sidebar, click on History
[11:55] <ksivaji> Jucato ya i got it
[11:55] <ksivaji> 1 op
[11:56] <Jucato> yeah. freenode staff
[12:02] <Pensacola> what package do I need to install to make amarok play mp3 files in edgy?
[12:03] <Jucato> Pensacola: libxine-extracodecs
[12:03] <Pensacola> thx
[12:08] <ksivaji> Jucato is there any animation software for kubuntu (.deb)
[12:09] <ksivaji> Jucato like flash
[12:09] <Jucato> like Flash?none that I know off
[12:09] <Jucato> of*
[12:12] <Danker> Hi
[12:12] <Danker> How should I force package install with apt?
[12:13] <ksivaji>  Danker y do  u wnat to force
[12:13] <Danker> ?
[12:14] <Danker> I want to install package, without checking dependicies
[12:15] <ksivaji> use aptitude that is better in resolving dependencies
[12:26] <Gerrit> Hello. knode is missing from my menu, but /usr/share/menu/knode exists and has the correct content (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26399/). What's wrong?
[12:29] <Jucato> Gerrit: try running "kbuildsycoca --incremental" (just ignore the errors that come out) then check again
[12:35] <drarem> I've often wondered, why is it Konqueror doesn't want to open executable files as executables usually
[12:40] <Jucato> it depends on what kind of executable, what that executable is supposed to do
[12:42] <drarem> just run.. it's a compiled app, opengl
[12:43] <drarem> nautilus doesn't appear to have any probs with it
[12:48] <Jucato> I dunno. I can run glxgears by clicking on its icon in /usr/bin/..
[12:50] <drarem> drwxr-xr-x
[12:51] <drarem> is folder and file is:  -rwxr-xr-x
[12:53] <ardchoille> !info nvu
[12:53] <ubotu> Package nvu does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:53] <drarem> when i pull up the directory folder from the system menu and choose the home folder, it executes
[12:54] <drarem> when i launch home folder from my task bar, it won't
[12:54] <ardchoille> Anythig in the repos that is like nvu?
[12:56] <drarem> oops when i launch home folder from a panel, it wants to open exes as other types of files and not execute
[12:58] <Jucato> ardchoille: Quanta, although not exactly like nvu
[12:58] <Jucato> !nvu
[12:58] <ubotu> nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not in the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but add your name to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WaitingForNvuFeisty to be notified when packages are available.  See also !html.
[12:58] <Jucato> ardchoille: that too ^^^
[12:59] <MrVoid> Is it okay to install a app from source if the package in the repository is old, and can't be removed?  Will it break something to install a newer version from souce?
[01:03] <drarem> might as well remove my home folder button from my panel, it just causes confusion
[01:07] <drarem> add non-KDE application is what I used for the 'home' button, put in /usr/bin/konqueror and system:/home  - can't execute programs
[01:14] <dps> Can anyone tell me why openoffice starts with ROOT priveleges  if it's a user launching it?
[01:18] <drarem> don't know if I can help you, but are you sure it's root priviledges, have you looked at the directory/file permissions
[01:18] <ardchoille> Jucato: Thank you :)
[01:18] <dps> Well
[01:19] <dps> Openoffice starts as a root process
[01:19] <dps> i don't know why
[01:19] <dps> i did a normal kubuntu isntalation
[01:19] <dps> i get xlib errors saying root can't connect to my x--server
[01:19] <dps> ofc he can't... it's not supposed
[01:20] <dps> when i do a save i get root home access
[01:20] <dps> it's like... omg
[01:20] <drarem> it won't let me save a file in /etc/X11
[01:21] <dps> well, as user, on a console run soffice
[01:21] <dps> and see to who does the process belongs
[01:21] <dps> ps -ef | grep soffice
[01:22] <drarem> user 1000  ?
[01:23] <dps> when i launch it it belongs to roor
[01:23] <dps> root
[01:23] <drarem> do you enter a password when you log in
[01:23] <dps> no
[01:24] <drarem> user 1000 = me, user 0 = root
[01:24] <dps> i open a console
[01:24] <dps> as user
[01:24] <dps> as write
[01:24] <dps> soffice
[01:24] <dps> i get
[01:24] <dps> lib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:24] <dps> Xlib: No protocol specified
[01:24] <drarem> how can you go in as a user on the same machine
[01:24] <drarem> as root
[01:25] <dps> I'm in kde with my user
[01:25] <dps> i run soffice and it starts as root
[01:25] <drarem> but you log in as root   ?
[01:25] <dps> no
[01:25] <dps> ofc not
[01:25] <dps> as dps
[01:25] <dps> my user
[01:26] <drarem> so you log in as dps when first booting with a password for your user
[01:27] <dps> yes
[01:27] <drarem> run office and it has authoritae
[01:27] <dps> yes
[01:27] <dps> i run office, normally
[01:27] <dps> when i do a save i see the root homedir
[01:27] <dps> and the soffice process belongs to root
[01:28] <dps> and when i do a save as, it crashes
[01:28] <dps> that's why i found this out
[01:28] <dps> it was crashing and i started looking at process and errors
[01:30] <drarem> I'm sorry, you are beyond me
[01:32] <drarem> some generic searches are turning up:  XAuthority or XDM Authorization
[01:33] <drarem> #linux might give you better results
[01:38] <Ryiel> !grub
[01:38] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:02] <tmbg> ah right. so it was grub that got wiped out, not lilo. I never paid it much attention before windows overwrote the bastard.
[02:03] <tmbg> well I mounted the kubuntu root drive at /mnt and everything is still there hunky dory, just missing grub.
[02:03] <Blu3-knibbles> that's what windows does
[02:03] <tmbg> the grub config files and menu and all that are there, it just doesn't GO when you try to boot the disk. how do you get grub back into the mbr?
[02:04] <tmbg> Blu3-knibbles: yeah I realize this.
[02:04] <Blu3-knibbles> is there a sources for pidgin?
[02:04] <tmbg> the reason I was thinking that I could get away with it, was that I have two disks. I installed windows on a completely separate physical drive.
[02:04] <Blu3-knibbles> just run grub and install it again
[02:04] <tmbg> just 'grub' and that's it?
[02:04] <tmbg> from the livecd?
[02:05] <Blu3-knibbles> grub> root (hd0,0)     [pick the right disk and partition for /boot/*
[02:05] <Blu3-knibbles> grub> setup (hd0)         [pick the right disk to put the boot loader on] 
[02:05] <tmbg> since I already have the config files, which one could I get the right disks from?
[02:05] <Blu3-knibbles> is it going on hda?  then the disk is most likely hd0
[02:06] <Blu3-knibbles> is /boot on the first partition?  then it's most likely hd0,0
[02:06] <Blu3-knibbles> that's what "right disk" means
[02:06] <tmbg> second partition. hd0,1 is what I have in my last grub config file
[02:06] <Blu3-knibbles> ok
[02:06] <Blu3-knibbles> root (hd0,1)
[02:06] <Blu3-knibbles> setup (hd0)
[02:07] <tmbg> will that create an entirely new boot menu?
[02:07] <tmbg> I sort of just wanted to restore what I had before, since it let me pick between windows and kubuntu
[02:07] <Imitation> Does anyone know an app to open/convert .cdr files (corel draw)?
[02:07] <Blu3-knibbles> no
[02:08] <Blu3-knibbles> that just puts grub back in the mbr
[02:08] <tmbg> ah sweet that's exactly what i needed.
[02:08] <Blu3-knibbles> doesn't change your grub config
[02:08] <Blu3-knibbles> imitation, sorry.  i don't
[02:08] <tmbg> Imitation: what have you tried?
[02:09] <Imitation> pretty much anything: gimp/incscape/image magick and every app i have on my pc
[02:10] <tmbg> Blu3-knibbles: Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+15 p (hd0,1)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst"... succeeded
[02:10] <tmbg> you rule, thanks
[02:10] <Blu3-knibbles> np :)
[02:11] <tmbg> it found everything no issues
[02:11] <Blu3-knibbles> now, anyone know where i can get a sources entry for pidgin? :)
[02:11] <tmbg> I'm not sure why that was so bloody hard to find online. I guess because i was a retard and thinking it was lilo and googling for the wrong thing for 45 minutes
[02:11] <Blu3-knibbles> heheh
[02:11] <tmbg> bbiaf.
[02:16] <Dannilion> How do I run a script at startup?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all :)
[02:18] <Dannilion> Morning BluesKaj
[02:18] <BluesKaj> hi Dannilion
[02:19] <BluesKaj> what's up?
[02:19] <Imitation> dabnnilion: to run it at startup of kde, just place it in your /home/<your-name/.kde/Autostart folder
[02:19] <Dannilion> will that work for sudo?
[02:19] <Dannilion> Nothing except having to restart my internet every time I reboot :p
[02:20] <Imitation> you'll have to edit /etc/sudoers so you can exec your script with sudo
[02:21] <Dannilion> humm
[02:21] <Dannilion> I'm going to try something first
[02:21] <tmbg> Blu3-knibbles, back in the installed kubuntu. thankies again. I knew there had to be some simple way.
[02:25] <Kprofthreat> Hello. I think this is a fairly common problem, but may anyone address it? My sound on Kubuntu has totally failed, none on Amarok, none at boot, nada.
[02:26] <Imitation> try ro turn the volume up in kmix ^^
[02:27] <Kprofthreat> Uh, yeah, it's up
[02:27] <BluesKaj> Kprofthreat,  did you have sound previously ?
[02:27] <Kprofthreat> =/ =] 
[02:27] <Kprofthreat> Yes
[02:27] <BluesKaj> upgraded your OS or kde ?
[02:28] <tmbg> Kprofthreat, test in system settings -> sound system?
[02:29] <Kprofthreat> Nothing
[02:29] <maddy> hiho
[02:29] <tmbg> and we're positive the speakers and such still work and have power and all?
[02:29] <maddy> what means by the output of dmesg 'usb 3-2: device not accepting address 5, error -62'?
[02:29] <Kprofthreat> No, not at all.
[02:29] <Kprofthreat> In fact
[02:30] <Kprofthreat> They may be playing tricks on me!
[02:30] <BluesKaj> check the hardware tab , make sure you use ALSA
[02:31] <tmbg> Kprofthreat, I've seen a lot of people kick the power cord to their speakers is all, heh.
[02:32] <Kprofthreat> Lol
[02:33] <Imitation> Kprofthread, so it worked in kubuntu before
[02:34] <Kprofthreat> Yes
[02:34] <Kprofthreat> Oh, and it is on ALSA btw.
[02:35] <BluesKaj> Kprofthreat,  in the konsole : alsamixer .Make sure the inputs - outputs arent muted "MM" ..to unmute type at highlighted controls settings should show "00"
[02:36] <BluesKaj> err,,type the letter "M"
[02:36] <BluesKaj> mute=MM unmuted=00
[02:36] <Kprofthreat> Yep, they are
[02:37] <BluesKaj> are?
[02:38] <Imitation> is your sound working in any other OS (not naming one) RIGHT NOW?
[02:38] <Kprofthreat> Yes
[02:40] <maddy> what means by the output of dmesg 'usb 3-2: device not accepting address 5, error -62'? nobody can help me? it's an USB bluetoothdongle
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Kprofthreat, is PCM enabled?
[02:44] <Kprofthreat> Yes
[02:44] <Kprofthreat> You mean from Alsamixer?
[02:44] <BluesKaj> yes
[02:44] <Kprofthreat> Yes
[02:47] <BluesKaj> ok I asked this before , but I dunno if you caught it ..in sys-settings/sound system/hardware/select the audio device / advanced linux sound architecture
[02:50] <Kprofthreat> I did
[02:50] <Kprofthreat> It's on Alsa
[02:52] <BluesKaj> ok relogin ... believe it or not :)
[02:52] <Kprofthreat> Lol
[02:52] <Kprofthreat> We'll give it a shot
[02:52] <Kprofthreat> I'm gonna probably crash anyway and then resume it later
[02:52] <Kprofthreat> Hehe
[02:52] <Kprofthreat> Brb
[02:52] <Kprofthreat> Ty
[02:53] <tmbg> I've had to do the relogin thing before on some distro to get my sound driver to re-verify the card's sample rate
[02:53] <BluesKaj> thank us when it works
[02:53] <tmbg> my sound wasn't dead, it was just broken. it would play 4x too fast
[02:53] <BluesKaj> wow
[02:54] <tmbg> it was some sort of weird thing with the polling happening during an interrupt and it would skew the measurement
[02:54] <BluesKaj> some amarok settings are like that too ,for example netradio streams
[02:56] <BluesKaj> the ones with the seldom used codecs ...not all but some ..kinda hit and miss
[03:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:06] <BluesKaj> hi
[03:08] <sweettooth> hey there, i have a question on using headphone, wonder if anyone can help me out
[03:08] <BluesKaj> sweettooth, just ask
[03:08] <sweettooth> im using an acer travelmate 3000 series, i tried plugging in my headset, the mic worked, but the earplug didn't
[03:09] <sweettooth> the speakers are working fine though, the thing is i wanted to make calls on Skype outside, and therefore i wanted to have the headphone working
[03:10] <xerosis> i'm trying to install dvd playback on amd64 feisty, and ideas?
[03:10] <sweettooth> one more thing, there is a mic on the laptop itself, but it wasn't working for some reasons, any ideas?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> sweettooth, in the konsole : alsamixer .Make sure the inputs - outputs arent muted "MM" ..to unmute type at highlighted controls settings should show "00"
[03:13] <BluesKaj> type M
[03:14] <BluesKaj> !libdvdcss2 | xerosis
[03:14] <ubotu> xerosis: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:14] <sweettooth> BluesKaj, i have three columns with "MM", IEC 958 (codec?) Caller ID, and Off-hook
[03:15] <tmbg> does the laptop have separate mic and earphone jacks?
[03:15] <sweettooth> can you tell me which one corresponds to my headset please?
[03:15] <BluesKaj> sweettooth, type M ..unmuted =00
[03:15] <sweettooth> tmbg, yes it does
[03:16] <tmbg> and that's how it's hooked up?
[03:16] <sweettooth> BluesKaj, I have unmuted all of them, but it still doesn't work
[03:16] <BluesKaj> sweettooth, unmute 'phone'
[03:17] <sweettooth> tmbg, what do you mean? i have a headset with separate plugs (mic and headphone from creative))
[03:17] <tmbg> that's what I was getting at.
[03:17] <BluesKaj> make sure you have volume sliders up as well
[03:17] <tmbg> sometimes there are switches inside jacks that turn off other inputs
[03:18] <sweettooth> BluesKaj, unfortunately i don't have 'phone'
[03:19] <sweettooth> it has only got Master, PCM, IEC958, Capture, Caller ID, Input Source, and Off-hook
[03:20] <sweettooth> and volume is maxxed
[03:20] <BluesKaj> sweettooth,..in sys-settings/sound system/hardware/select the audio device / advanced linux sound architecture
[03:20] <BluesKaj> don't max the vol
[03:20] <BluesKaj> 70% is fine
[03:21] <sweettooth> ok
[03:22] <Blu3-knibbles> some switches may need to be flicked (with kmix, alsamixer, etc) to get sound routed to the right place in your soundcard
[03:23] <sweettooth> BluesKaj, it still doesn't give me the "phone" :(
[03:23] <BluesKaj> no sweettooth , it doesn't exist on your setup
[03:24] <sweettooth> Blu3-knibbles, do you mean by plugging it in and out? i tried, but it doesn't seem to work
[03:24] <sweettooth> BluesKaj, so what shall i do now?
[03:24] <Blu3-knibbles> no, i mean with kmix, alsamixer, etc
[03:25] <BluesKaj> like Blu3-knibbles says check kmix (the spkeaker in the panel) and set the switches
[03:26] <Blu3-knibbles> set an mp3 playing repeatedly and play with the switches.
[03:26] <Blu3-knibbles> while [ 1 ] ; do mplayer ...list of mp3s or dir etc; sleep 1; done
[03:27] <sweettooth> heh ok, i will have a go with it first, thx for the help guys
[03:31] <sweettooth> btw, is there anyway i can see a log of my sound devices (logs of plugging in and out of the jacks)?
[03:33] <romudog> Anything is possible with Linux :)
[03:33] <romudog> I'm just waiting for it to grow legs and a body.
[03:33] <romudog> I think i'd probably take mine for a  walk.
[03:34] <BluesKaj> hey romudog :)
[03:34] <a-865> anyone know how to prevent spurious ejection of a music cd in the middle of being played in feisty?
[03:34] <romudog> Hey BluesKaj
[03:34] <romudog> a-865 Why not rip it?
[03:35] <a-865> a-865, just want to hear it, not store it, and HD is tiny anyway
[03:35] <a-865> romudog: just want to hear it, not store it, and HD is tiny anyway
[03:36] <romudog> a-865 lol ok i got massive hard drive cause i do video rendering and i started digitizing our home movies.
[03:36] <xerosis_> BluesKaj: any other ideas for DVDs?
[03:37] <BluesKaj> !codecs | xerosis_
[03:37] <ubotu> xerosis_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:37] <a-865> BluesKaj: I put in a music CD, start playing it with KsCD, and within a minute of start of play, the CD drawer opens
[03:37] <xerosis_> BluesKaj: I've got all the codecs and dvd gubbins, it's something else than that i think
[03:37] <sweettooth> BluesKaj, got the headset working, really need to fiddle with kmix a bit
[03:38] <BluesKaj> good sweettooth :)
[03:38] <romudog> xerosis: Whats the problem?
[03:38] <sweettooth> Blu3-knibbles, u were right, i fiddled with kmix and now it works, thx very much both of you
[03:39] <BluesKaj> xerosis_, what player are you using for dvd ?
[03:39] <xerosis_> kaffeine, but tried xine* mplayer...
[03:39] <a-865> BluesKaj: same thing happens with mplayer cdda://
[03:40] <BluesKaj> kaffeine uses the xine-engine by default , but it should work
[03:41] <BluesKaj> a-865, tried amarok ?
[03:42] <a-865> BluesKaj: tried mplayer and kscd because amarok didn't work
[03:42] <a-865> apt-get remove amarok
[03:42] <a-865> apt-get remove kaffeine
[03:43] <romudog> a-865: If your trying to play mp3's amarok needs the mp3 codec
[03:44] <a-865> romudog: mp3 & mpeg play fine, not coming from any music CD
[03:44] <BluesKaj> romudog, it plays cds , but for only a minute , then cd drawer opens
[03:44] <romudog> ooh
[03:44] <romudog> thats not good
[03:45] <Blu3-knibbles> you're welcome sweettooth
[03:45] <bonbonthejon> !gutsy
[03:45] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[03:58] <xanne> hello I am having a few problems
[04:00] <romudog> xanne !ask
[04:00] <romudog> !ask
[04:00] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:00] <rapid> what codec do i have to install to play dvds with kaffeine
[04:00] <bonbonthejon> !dvd
[04:00] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:00] <romudog> libdvdxss
[04:00] <romudog> css*
[04:02] <romudog> Can someone help me setup Freemind? It apparently cant find the JRE
[04:02] <xanne> hey i am having trouble with installing the ATI driver from ati.com it dumps during the install
[04:02] <romudog> dont install that one
[04:02] <romudog> install via repositories
[04:02] <romudog> !ati
[04:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:04] <rapid> this sucks
[04:05] <rapid> i want to play a dvd with kaffeine http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html supposed to help me with  that?
[04:05] <xanne> what is this restricted drivers manager
[04:06] <bonbonthejon> rapid: that page tells you what to install
[04:07] <romudog> Can someone help me setup Freemind? It apparently cant find the JRE
[04:07] <BluesKaj> romudog, what's freemind /
[04:08] <romudog> BluesKaj: Mind mapping software
[04:08] <BluesKaj> eeeuuuww , don't think i wanna go there :)
[04:08] <xanne> Can someone tell me waht this restricted driver manager is?
[04:08] <romudog> BluesKaj: Why not?
[04:09] <BluesKaj> just a joke , romudog
[04:09] <bonbonthejon> xanne: it will install restrictive drivers for some of your hardware
[04:09] <xanne> where is it?
[04:09] <rapid> bonbonthejon, can u please point me where?
[04:09] <xanne> and dont say system > administration >
[04:10] <bonbonthejon> rapid: on https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html, there is "DVD Playback", number one tells you the package
[04:11] <rapid> libdvdread3?
[04:11] <bonbonthejon> rapid: yeah
[04:12] <rapid> I ran sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
[04:12] <bonbonthejon> rapid: ok, did it instalL?
[04:12] <bonbonthejon> !dvd
[04:12] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:12] <rapid> yup
[04:12] <bonbonthejon> rapid: ok, how about installing libdvdcss2
[04:15] <rapid> anything else?
[04:15] <rapid> while i'm at it
[04:15] <xanne> whats the command to reconfigure xorg?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> xanne, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:16] <romudog> BluesKaj: You know much about Java to help me set this thing up?
[04:17] <rapid> hardware
[04:17] <BluesKaj> romudog, not really , but you prolly have the latest java installed, right ?
[04:17] <romudog> BluesKaj I have v5 and 6 i cant install freemind without 5
[04:18] <rapid> bonbonthejon, still not working mate
[04:18] <BluesKaj> romudog, what about other dependencies ?
[04:18] <romudog> BluesKaj I got those its a java problem
[04:18] <bonbonthejon> rapid: I've never tried watching a dvd on linux, so I am just telling you what the documentation says
[04:19] <rapid> ok
[04:19] <rapid> thanks
[04:19] <BluesKaj> romudog, does it have to run on a VM ?
[04:20] <romudog> BluesKaj: Its a java app so yes.
[04:20] <rapid> i coulda watched the movie by now
[04:20] <rapid> lol
[04:20] <rapid> cheers
[04:22] <BluesKaj> so what about Virtualbox , romudog , have you considered installing that, then installing java and Freemind there?
[04:22] <olgem> err, how do I have mouse drivers without having to configure xorg or at least no having to start x server?
[04:22] <romudog> BluesKaj: Virtual box requires another OS, Java is like a runtime enviroment.
[04:22] <olgem> Theres this text mode window manager called twin that utilizes the mouse
[04:23] <a-865> how do I make hdparm -d0 /dev/hdd survive a boot?
[04:24] <romudog> Brb
[04:24] <romudog> bk
[04:25] <BluesKaj> ok romudog check this out : http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[04:27] <BluesKaj> sorry romudog, hate to leave right now but family obligations require my presence
[04:28] <romudog> no problem
[04:28] <romudog> have fun
[04:28] <BluesKaj> bb in about 6-7 hrs
[04:39] <olgem> How come 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' fails to load anything and boots me right back to text mode, but startx starts up fine until it tries to load the desktop :/
[04:40] <olgem> Hey, where is that xserver error .log file located and what is it called? I remember seeing it in my home directory somewhere
[04:40] <a-865> olgem: u can find clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:06] <chrisq91> need some help with my sound
[05:06] <K-Ryan> That's my friend on his laptop.
[05:06] <K-Ryan> He's running feisty
[05:06] <chrisq91> indeed i am
[05:07] <K-Ryan> He's new to Kubuntu so he's going to need step by step help with it
[05:07] <K-Ryan> If someone could help him it would be appreciated
[05:07] <olgem> make sure you have enough SALSA for your ALSA
[05:07] <K-Ryan> ?
[05:08] <romudog> lol
[05:09] <romudog> Check mixers K-Ryan
[05:09] <K-Ryan> !mixers
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mixers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <K-Ryan> ?
[05:09] <Jucato> !sound
[05:09] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:09] <romudog> K-Ryan, Your having problem with your sound so check your mixers...click the speaker icon on the dock
[05:10] <K-Ryan> Oh those, no it's not those
[05:10] <K-Ryan> When I had checked in his system settings the sound card wasn't even recognized as being there
[05:10] <romudog> Maybe its built in...
[05:10] <romudog> Still just go check your mixers
[05:10] <K-Ryan> He says he did
[05:11] <romudog> okay well then check troubleshooting page
[05:11] <K-Ryan> !codecs
[05:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:12] <Gerrit> Bah, googleearth made my system hang :(
[05:12] <romudog> No 3d drivers?
[05:13] <Gerrit> I have Ati fglrx Radeon Mobility X700 with the propietry driver
[05:13] <roho> since i upgraded from edgy to feisty, i cannot get kdm to work.  there is a generic login (sort of like xdm?) and when i login, all i get is an xterm with no window decorations (can't be moved).  i tried to run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm' and chose kdm, but it doesn't do any good.  anyone have any ideas?
[05:13] <romudog> login via the cmd and type startx
[05:14] <roho> ok, but the next time i boot up, will kdm run?
[05:14] <sparrw> what packages do i need for my local webserver to be able to run perl cgi?
[05:14] <romudog> perl and cgi?
[05:14] <romudog> lol
[05:15] <roho> romudog: so will kdm run automatically after i do startx from the shell?
[05:15] <romudog> roho, No it will just start your desktop
[05:16] <sparrw> romudog: whats funny?
[05:16] <roho> well, i would like kdm to run automatically at startup
[05:16] <roho> x is running just fine
[05:16] <roho> but kde doesn't launch
[05:16] <romudog> roho, Startx starts kde
[05:16] <sparrw> roho: what would you want kdm to DO if you launched it with startx?
[05:17] <roho> i simply want kdm to run on boot as it did before.
[05:19] <roho> even if i reinstall kdm (or gdm for that matter), i still get a plain session
[05:19] <roho> or if i choose a different wm from the xdm prompt
[05:19] <romudog> roho, Check startup services maybe it isnt starting up
[05:19] <roho> could you elaborate a bit more?
[05:20] <chrisq91> i need help getting my sound workin
[05:20] <romudog> I would love to but the thing is i have many computers and data backups instantly so anytime i get a problem i format...windows i format once a week...
[05:20] <chrisq91> my soundcard is not being reconized
[05:20] <romudog> Try qunu.com they help tons!!! or Ubuntuforums.com
[05:21] <roho> that's why i don't use windows
[05:21] <olgem> chrisq91: what chipset is your soundcard
[05:21] <chrisq91> i dont know it came with my laptop
[05:21] <roho> romudog: ok, but next time someone has a problem and you don't know the answer, maybe it would be better to just not say anything.  thanks anyway.
[05:21] <romudog> Roho, I know enough about linux to suggest things. Ive been using it for years.
[05:22] <roho> so have i.
[05:22] <romudog> Roho, I know how to check things in kde but not via a console.
[05:22] <chrisq91> olgem is there anyway for me to check
[05:22] <romudog> So roho please dont be a smart @55
[05:22] <roho> i tried to be polite
[05:23] <olgem> chrisq91: I'm as much as a n00b as you, but I think you could google the brand and model number of the laptop and get specs.
[05:23] <roho> the answer to an honest question should not be "just format it"
[05:23] <romudog> Roho, No that wasnt my answer..thats just what i do.
[05:23] <olgem> looks like you two need to get a room
[05:23] <olgem> :>
[05:23] <roho> well, thanks anyway
[05:23] <romudog> what a twinkr
[05:24] <roho> you don't have to call names.  if i could have found help on the web, i wouldn't be here.
[05:24] <romudog> Try Qunu.com live chat support by people who know what they are doing unlike me :P
[05:25] <roho> thank you
[05:25] <roho> it's just really frustrating
[05:25] <roho> didn't mean to be an "@55"
[05:25] <romudog> roho...Sorry if i act like an ass tho
[05:25] <romudog> roho we cool?
[05:25] <roho> oui
[05:27] <olgem> whats the difference between etc/init.d/kdm start and startx
[05:27] <roho> they're all different scripts
[05:27] <roho> although i think start is an actual binary
[05:28] <romudog> startx reffers to the normal path that probably points to that eg where most binaries like roho says
[05:28] <roho> ultimately, the binary itself is "X" i believe
[05:28] <clever> !scanner
[05:28] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[05:30] <romudog> clever, My personal fav is Kooka it has OCR
[05:30] <clever> im just trying to scan a peice of paper
[05:30] <clever> and the drivers under xp are refusing to work:P
[05:30] <clever> down with windows:P
[05:31] <romudog> lol haha i agree my windows died so im a devoted Linux fan now.
[05:31] <clever> lol xsane opened my tv input card
[05:31] <romudog> llol
[05:31] <romudog> What tv card?
[05:31] <clever> got a frame of the tv instead of the paper
[05:31] <clever> bttv
[05:31] <clever> video highway extreme
[05:31] <clever> v4l driver interface
[05:31] <clever> frame grabber
[05:31] <romudog> kool hauppage pvr 150 for me
[05:32] <clever> nice
[05:32] <clever> this thing eats cpu massively to record:P
[05:32] <romudog> i cant get it workin
[05:32] <romudog> nope
[05:32] <romudog> Hardware encoder here
[05:32] <romudog> :P
[05:33] <roho> !forums
[05:33] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[05:35] <clever> romudog: lol scaner power cord was loose
[05:35] <clever> thats why i didnt see it
[05:35] <romudog> clever lmfao...."clever" fits :D
[05:35] <clever> the extension cord is crappy:P
[05:35] <Mariko[Linux] > I have a question - My wireless card isn't working, it's an intel wireless proset 3945, it shows up in restricted devices, but nowhere else.
[05:35] <romudog> lol
[05:35] <clever> now its doing something
[05:35] <Mariko[Linux] > Anybody?
[05:37] <romudog> !wireless
[05:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:37] <Mariko[Linux] > There's nothing there for my driver.
[05:37] <Mariko[Linux] > device*
[05:38] <Mariko[Linux] > It was working until I restarted
[05:38] <clever> my card was working fine until i upgraded to 7.04 and rebooted
[05:39] <Mariko[Linux] > Hmm..
[05:39] <clever> the driver got added to the blacklist because it caused some crashing
[05:39] <Mariko[Linux] > Did you ever manage to fix it?
[05:39] <clever> so the pc stoped autoloading the driver
[05:39] <clever> i could modprobe it and it worked fine so i just edited the blacklist and its 90% of what it was
[05:39] <clever> randomly crashes for 2-3 sec but recovers
[05:41] <Mariko[Linux] > Sorry about that
[05:41] <Mariko[Linux] > Did you ever manage to fix it?
[05:43] <clever> [20 10:39:42]  <clever> i could modprobe it and it worked fine so i just edited the blacklist and its 90% of what it was
[05:43] <clever> [20 10:39:49]  <clever> randomly crashes for 2-3 sec but recovers
[05:43] <clever> the blacklist is at  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:44] <Mariko[Linux] > What do I get rid of from it? -- My sound device is also not working properly
[05:45] <clever> you need to figure out which kernel module is the driver you need
[05:45] <Mariko[Linux] > ...How do I do that? :\
[05:45] <clever> and test it by loading it with modprobe
[05:45] <clever> dont know
[05:45] <Mariko[Linux] > :O
[05:45] <clever> whats the card called?
[05:45] <clever> maker/brand/model?
[05:45] <joe8891> hey guys im having a little trouble
[05:46] <joe8891> when i try using stuff on the ebay website i get force to the log in screen
[05:46] <joe8891> could it be a java issue?
[05:46] <Mariko[Linux] > clever: For which?
[05:46] <Mariko[Linux] > Wireless?
[05:46] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : wireless andor audio
[05:46] <Mariko[Linux] > Intel Proset Wireless 3945
[05:47] <clever> pci isa pcmcia usb?
[05:47] <joe8891> does any 1 know anyreason why when i use ebay the comp freezes for a sec then takes me to the login screen?
[05:48] <joe8891> could it get a java problem and if it is what should i do?
[05:48] <Mariko[Linux] > clever: Say what? :O
[05:48] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : how is the card connected to the pc?
[05:48] <Mariko[Linux] > It's a laptop
[05:48] <clever> card is part of the laptop?
[05:48] <Mariko[Linux] > Yes.
[05:48] <clever> probly pci then
[05:49] <Mariko[Linux] > Any ideas
[05:49] <Mariko[Linux] > ?
[05:49] <clever> looking
[05:49] <Mariko[Linux] > Okay, thanks.
[05:50] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : try running this in a terminal window "sudo modprobe -v ipw2100"
[05:50] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : that will load 1 of the 2 intel wifi drives i see
[05:51] <clever> then check to see if its listed by ifconfig or iwconfig
[05:51] <Mariko[Linux] > lo        no wireless extensions.
[05:51] <Mariko[Linux] > eth0      no wireless extensions.
[05:51] <clever> try loading ipw2200 then
[05:52] <Mariko[Linux] > nothing
[05:52] <clever> just spoted something else
[05:52] <Mariko[Linux] > Actually
[05:52] <Mariko[Linux] > insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko
[05:52] <Mariko[Linux] > FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[05:53] <clever> check dmesg|tail
[05:53] <Mariko[Linux] > ..?
[05:53] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : i also just spoted a ipw3945
[05:53] <Mariko[Linux] > Yeah, I know
[05:53] <Mariko[Linux] > But it won't compile for me
[05:53] <Mariko[Linux] > :\
[05:53] <clever> which sounds like a perfect fit for a Intel Proset Wireless 3945
[05:53] <Mariko[Linux] > It is
[05:53] <Mariko[Linux] > But it doesn't compile
[05:53] <Mariko[Linux] > With ieeesoandso kernel
[05:53] <clever> /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/ubuntu/wireless/ipw3945/ipw3945.ko
[05:54] <Mariko[Linux] > Plus, I already have ipw3945
[05:54] <joe8891> hey i have an anoeying little problem
[05:54] <clever> i see a allready compiled copy of the driver
[05:54] <Mariko[Linux] > Yes.
[05:54] <Mariko[Linux] > How to use it, though?
[05:54] <Mariko[Linux] > :\
[05:54] <joe8891> if i log out of kde then back in my mouse cusor dissapears
[05:54] <clever> sudo modprobe ipw3945
[05:54] <Mariko[Linux] > FATAL: Error inserting ipw3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/ubuntu/wireless/ipw3945/ipw3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[05:54] <Mariko[Linux] > 2007-06-20 11:54:40: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[05:54] <Mariko[Linux] > :<
[05:55] <clever> do dmesg|tail
[05:55] <clever> and read thru the few lines it spits out for anything that might be usefull
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > Everything seems useful.. so I'll paste.
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.328000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_rx
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_get_channel
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_channel_to_index
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_rx_mgt
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_get_geo
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol free_ieee80211
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_tx_frame
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_is_valid_channel
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol ieee80211_get_channel_flags
[05:55] <Mariko[Linux] > [ 2658.332000]  ipw3945: Unknown symbol alloc_ieee80211
[05:56] <Gerrit> !paste
[05:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:56] <Mariko[Linux] > :Z
[05:56] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : try sudo modprobe -v ieee80211_rtl
[05:56] <clever> then modprobe ipw3945
[05:56] <Mariko[Linux] > Same error as earlier
[05:57] <Mariko[Linux] > Can't find the network connection..
[05:58] <clever> cant think of anything else atm then:(
[05:58] <Mariko[Linux] > :<
[05:58] <clever> google arround for drivers that may help
[05:58] <Mariko[Linux] > Well, I have the ipw driver downloaded
[05:58] <Mariko[Linux] > But it won't compile
[05:58] <Mariko[Linux] > :\
[05:58] <chrisq91> need help gettin mp3 on amarok
[05:58] <clever> when i built the driver for my intel wifi card
[05:58] <clever> i needed to build the 80211 stack, ipw ,hotplug,and download the firmware
[05:59] <clever> but that wasnt on ubuntu
[05:59] <clever> when i put ubuntu on that pc everything worked without me even having to think of it:P
[05:59] <chrisq91> need help gettin mp3 on amarok
[05:59] <Mariko[Linux] > Well, you said something about blacklist..
[06:00] <clever> yeah at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but that only affects automatic loading
[06:00] <Mariko[Linux] > Mm
[06:00] <Mariko[Linux] > But what would I look for there?
[06:00] <clever> you could read it by doing 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist'
[06:01] <Mariko[Linux] > I don't see anything for wireless in there
[06:02] <chrisq91> how do i get mp3s to play on amarok
[06:02] <Mariko[Linux] > FATAL: Error inserting ipw3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/ubuntu/wireless/ipw3945/ipw3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[06:02] <Mariko[Linux] > Is it possible that that, alone, is the problem?
[06:03] <clever> the problem is that a symbol in that module isnt found
[06:03] <Mariko[Linux] > And.. what should I do about that? :\
[06:03] <clever> and dmesg listed off some of those
[06:03] <clever> most of which are in the ieee80211 area
[06:03] <chrisq91> how do i get mp3s to play on amarok
[06:03] <clever> so you need to get a ieee80211 module loaded first i think
[06:05] <Mariko[Linux] > YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[06:05] <Mariko[Linux] > :D
[06:05] <Mariko[Linux] > ieee80211 finally compiled.
[06:05] <Mariko[Linux] > And now it works, now just the sound card is the problem.
[06:05] <clever> what sound card?
[06:05] <Mariko[Linux] > How do I find that out? I'm not sure.
[06:06] <Mariko[Linux] > HDA something I think
[06:06] <clever> that sounds like a harddrive name
[06:06] <Mariko[Linux] > hmmm
[06:06] <Mariko[Linux] > How do I find it? :p
[06:06] <clever> lspci may help
[06:06] <clever> that would list all pci devices
[06:07] <clever> not shure if it can show things the drivers are missing for though
[06:07] <Mariko[Linux] > Hmm, I don't see the sound driver there - I also have sysinfo if that's needed
[06:07] <clever> lshw gives TONS of info(sudo lshw|less)
[06:07] <Mariko[Linux] > Ah.. it's in the blacklist
[06:07] <Mariko[Linux] > I see it
[06:07] <clever> ahh
[06:08] <clever> manualy load the driver(modprobe) to test it
[06:08] <clever> its probly on the blacklist because of some major problem it causes on some pc's
[06:08] <clever> if the pc crashes while booting because of the driver and its a laptop you cant exactly pull the card out to fix it:P
[06:08] <Mariko[Linux] > blacklist snd_intel8x0m
[06:08] <Mariko[Linux] > 
[06:08] <Mariko[Linux] > I think that's what effects it
[06:08] <clever> sudo modprobe -v snd_intel8x0m
[06:09] <chrisq91> how do i get mp3s to play on amarok
[06:09] <clever> then try using aplay on a file(locate mp3|head)
[06:09] <Mariko[Linux] > !paste
[06:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:09] <Mariko[Linux] > I'll pastebin this one. :P
[06:10] <clever> :)
[06:10] <clever> the locate command just gives a list of about 10 random mp3's it found
[06:10] <clever> for you to test aplay on
[06:10] <Mariko[Linux] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26445/plain/
[06:10] <Mariko[Linux] > I did try to test one..
[06:10] <Mariko[Linux] > Didn't go over well, I paste binned the results ^^
[06:10] <jhutchins> chrisq91: Amarok should play standard mp3's.
[06:11] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : that error looks like its saying that theres no sound card driver loaded
[06:11] <Mariko[Linux] > -_-
[06:11] <Mariko[Linux] > What do I do?
[06:11] <clever> lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0m
[06:11] <clever> any results?
[06:11] <chrisq91> it dosent when i try and play them it openes then dosent respond
[06:12] <Mariko[Linux] > clever: Yes, should I pastebin the results?
[06:12] <clever> yeah
[06:12] <Mariko[Linux] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26449/plain/
[06:13] <clever> looks like its loaded
[06:13] <Mariko[Linux] > Hmm
[06:13] <Mariko[Linux] > Loaded, but doesn't work? :\
[06:14] <clever> do ls /dev/dsp /dev/snd*
[06:14] <clever> which ones does it list?
[06:15] <jhutchins> Do we know the speakers are working and connected to the correct jack?
[06:15] <Mariko[Linux] > This one's too small to pastebin
[06:15] <Mariko[Linux] > lol
[06:15] <Mariko[Linux] > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[06:15] <Mariko[Linux] > /dev/sndstat
[06:15] <Mariko[Linux] > /dev/snd:
[06:15] <Mariko[Linux] > seq  timer
[06:15] <clever> dont see any sound devices in there
[06:15] <chrisq91> jhutchins yep they are working
[06:15] <jhutchins> Does alsamixer work?  If we cat a file to /dev/snd, do we get noise?
[06:15] <clever> could be something new in dmesg (dmesg|tail -n 30)
[06:16] <chrisq91> yep
[06:16] <clever> Mariko[Linux] : that will show the last 30 instead of the normal last 10 so we have more info to look at:)
[06:16] <jhutchins> dmesg | less +G will make it searchable.
[06:16] <Mariko[Linux] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26450/plain/
[06:17] <clever> dont see much usefull in there atm
[06:18] <Mariko[Linux] > Hmm.
[06:19] <Mariko[Linux] > ACPI
[06:19] <Mariko[Linux] > Is that one my sound driver?
[06:19] <clever> acpi is for stuff like batery level and power buttons
[06:19] <Mariko[Linux] > Ah. \
[06:19] <Mariko[Linux] > :\*
[06:20] <clever> do 'acpi -V'
[06:20] <clever> youll see the cpu temp and batery level and time ,left on the batery
[06:20] <clever> usefull when your not plugged in
[06:20] <clever> also usefull sometimes is 'watch -d acpi -V'
[06:20] <Mariko[Linux] > lol
[06:20] <Mariko[Linux] > Cool.
[06:21] <clever> ctrl+c kills it
[06:21] <Mariko[Linux] > Yeah. :P
[06:21] <clever> watch is usefull for alot of things
[06:21] <clever> watch df -h shows free space and updates it
[06:21] <clever> the 'watch' itself will just keep running the given cmd and showing it every 2 seconds
[06:21] <clever> the -d causes it to highlight changes
[06:26] <Mariko[Linux] > I'm trying to reinstall alsa-driver, we'll see how it goes.
[06:28] <Gerrit> Using the same driver, Google-earth was slow but stable on my FC4 box and fast but unstable on Kubuntu. Apparantly, hardware-acceleration was turned on, but is instable.
[06:29] <Gerrit> How do I turn hardware-accelration off?
[06:30] <greg_g> is there a command in apt that shows the history of package installations?
[06:30] <greg_g> I read the man file, but nothing there, which leads me to believe no, but just checking
[06:30] <killermach> how do I fix vi ?
[06:30] <joe4444> anyone using 2 digital flat panel displays with nVidia TwinView and Feisty?  i had this working fine with Edgy but can't figure out why now my 7900GS can't even detect my 2nd monitor... (WW) NVIDIA(0): TwinView requested, but only 1 display devices found.
[06:31] <killermach> ubuntu is the only linux/unix distro I've used in years that makes me type "vim" to have a usable editor
[06:31] <joe4444> vi works "out of the box" for me
[06:31] <roho> me too
[06:31] <joe4444> plus you can just make an alias vi="vim"
[06:32] <killermach> joe4444, so you press "i" and it displays the word "INSERT"  in the lower left corner?
[06:32] <joe4444> no
[06:32] <joe4444> i do find that annoying
[06:33] <joe4444> i prefer vim on my CentOS server, but i'm not sure of the difference
[06:33] <killermach> if I'm in insert mode and I press backspace, I expect a backspace to inserted and do it's job
[06:33] <joe4444> but relative to the amount of work i do over ssh to my CentOS server, i rarely use vim with Ubuntu
[06:34] <Gerrit> Arsanerit takes over
[06:35] <Arsanerit> That's better.
[06:35] <Arsanerit> No more confusion.
[06:35] <killermach> joe4444, no.. I tried the alias when I first started running kubuntu/ubuntu, I need the editor to behave uniformly.. currently I have to type vim to get an interface that does not cause me to create mistakes but when I try vipw, I get the broken version
[06:35] <Arsanerit> Where can I disable hardware acceleration for google earth and other 3d applications?
[06:36] <joe4444> killermach: i don't know, sry... i just live with it when i have to do local file editing, which isn't often so i don't mind that much
[06:36] <killermach> joe4444, well then how to get vipw to be vimpw so the interface for the editor is uniform when ever I use it
[06:37] <jhutchins> killermach: I've never bothered with vimpw, I just us vi /etc/passwd or whatever.
[06:37] <killermach> I just don't understand why the difference from RHEL/CENTOS/Mandriva
[06:37] <killermach> jhutchins, there is no vimpw I tried  it
[06:38] <clever> greg_g: check the log file
[06:38] <clever> greg_g: i think its /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:38] <killermach> jhutchins, I've been using vipw since BSDi in 1996
[06:38] <joe4444> killermach: i bet it's just different default options in the vim config
[06:38] <greg_g> clever: *looks* thanks
[06:38] <clever> apt just uses dpkg to do all the work
[06:38] <killermach> joe4444, it is and I spent hours trying to fix it many time.. succeeded once and now cannot figure it out again
[06:39] <jhutchins> Actually, vimpw uses vim-minimal, basic vi.
[06:39] <greg_g> clever: yep, thats it, thanks
[06:39] <clever> theres also dpkg.log.1 i think which is a older copy
[06:39] <jhutchins> usermod might be a better option.
[06:39] <clever> number keeps going up as it gets older
[06:39] <killermach> jhutchins, when I type vimpw I get "bash: vimpw: command not found"
[06:40] <joe4444> killermach: shouldn't be too difficult to compare two configs and figure out what's missing for ubuntu's vim
[06:40] <killermach> how do I make vi behave like vim, I have no need for vi only vim
[06:40] <joe4444> alias vi='vim'
[06:40] <jhutchins> killermach: 1)vipw, 2) /usr/sbin/vipw, which means it's not in your path as a normal user.
[06:40] <joe4444> that's what i do for my web server
[06:41] <killermach> I tried copying and renaming them but apparently vi is looking at the command execution env var to determin that vim was not typed and behaves unlike vim anyway
[06:41] <joe4444> then i always get vim, unless i sudo b/c my root user has no alias
[06:42] <joe4444> alias vi='vim'   # try it
[06:42] <killermach> jhutchins, vipw works, I exit and type vimpw and get command not found
[06:42] <jhutchins> Having used mostly RH derived systems, they've always done the alias for me.
[06:42] <jhutchins> kiler sudo ln -s /usr/sbin/vipw /usr/sbin/vimpw
[06:43] <doobeh> I'm having GRUB issues, and I know why... I installed Kubuntu onto a 4gb memory stick (wanted to see how it would run-- pretty slow) but grub installed itself to the main hdd, and obviously pointed itself at files on the memory stick.. Now... If I try and start up the computer without the stick in, I get a grub 21 error, which equates to drive not found.. Anyone got any hints to get back to normality?
[06:43] <killermach> jhutchins, locate vipw finds binaries, man pages, etc, locate vimpw finds nothing
[06:43] <jhutchins> !find vimpw
[06:43] <ubotu> Package/file vimpw does not exist in feisty
[06:44] <killermach> see here.. I need to arrow up a row and it inserts capital B's, who uses that?
[06:45] <jhutchins> killermach: You have a termcap problem.
[06:46] <killermach> jhutchins, good.. then as long I can figure it out .. I can report it to the ubuntu dev team
[06:46] <Absorto> hello! where does one configure kdm in order to have it running without an X server?
[06:46] <jthomas> does anyone know why my computer might have HUNDREDS of open IP connections?  when I kick off everyone from my router (OpenWRT on Linksys) it says that I have upwards of 800 active IP connections; closing KTorrent drops this a lot but still I have over three hundred; KTorrent only lists having three connections/peers when its open.
[06:46] <jhutchins> Absorto: Not gonna happen.
[06:47] <Absorto> jhutchins, ofcourse it is!
[06:47] <Absorto> i just need to find where to set it up ;)
[06:47] <jthomas> Absorto: i'd ask in the kde forum or something
[06:47] <Absorto> jthomas, good idea.
[06:47] <jthomas> ;)
[06:47] <jhutchins> Absorto: No, kdm requires X.  It runs on top of it.
[06:48] <killermach> found the answer on RHEL vimrc has "set nocompatible        " Use Vim defaults (much better!)"
[06:48] <Absorto> jhutchins, no, one can run kdm without X and connect to it remotely :D
[06:48] <jhutchins> Absorto: If you say so.  Post a link to documentation for that if you ever find it.
[06:49] <Absorto> jhutchins, done it, just can't recall/config layout has changed.
[06:50] <joe4444> killermach: so all you needed was the nocompatible option?
[06:50] <killermach> well that didnt' exactly fix vi.. backspace still behaves like the delete key, I know how to use the delete key when I want that
[06:50] <killermach> joe4444, yes that fixed most of it
[06:50] <joe4444> good to know, thanks :)
[06:50] <killermach> I put it in the /etc/vim/vimrc file
[06:51] <joe4444> of course
[06:51] <joe4444> ...time to try one more xorg.conf before i give up on dual displays in Feisty and revert back to Edgy
[06:51] <killermach> it only backspaces over chars that I add, existing chars make the backspace stop
[06:51] <joe4444> yeah i noticed that
[06:52] <joe4444> very annoying
[06:52] <killermach> so I cannot press END to get to the end of a line and then backspace over the chars I don't want
[06:52] <killermach> annoying = stupid
[06:52] <joe4444> i'm using R a lot more now b/c of that
[06:52] <joe4444> try $ instead of END
[06:52] <joe4444> but yeah, it's stupid
[06:53] <joe4444> good luck
[06:53] <jhutchins> Absorto: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kdm/xdmcp-with-kdm.html
[06:53] <killermach> joe4444, here is my opinion .. fwiw, if I want an extremely complex editor, I can use ed, vi should be more FSE oriented
[06:54] <killermach> FSE = full screen editor
[06:54] <killermach> you guys remember.. that technology that made the commodore 64 so popular back in 1982
[06:55] <Absorto> jhutchins, yep. You can set up kdm to listen on port 177 and display on a remotely running X server, but with no local X.
[06:55] <LjL> you mean that extremely annoying terrible text-replacing editor that made BASIC even more a chore than it normally is?
[06:55] <jhutchins> Absorto: That's an astonishingly worthless link, sorry.
[06:55] <jhutchins> edlin
[06:57] <killermach> jhutchins, more in the RHEL vimrc file.. set bs=2 to allow backspacing over everything
[06:58] <killermach> also added set ruler to show cursor position all the time
[07:00] <killermach> jhutchins, well.. the best workaround is scp.. I can just sent the file to an RHEL box fix it, and send it back
[07:00] <banksey> Hey guys, When ever I try to play Vids on certain sites, I keep getting a msg saying Xine player not running, I've installed all the Xine apps I can from Adept, Anyone got any suggestions, Any help would be much apprciated :)
[07:02] <ksivaji> banksey http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/13-must-do-things-on-new-ubuntu-704.html
[07:03] <ksivaji> banksey http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[07:04] <banksey> Thank you ksivaji
[07:08] <clever> !cups
[07:08] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:11] <Absorto> hello! which package shoud I remove to get rid of all things gnome?
[07:12] <a-865> part of Firefox is Gnome
[07:12] <Absorto> so be gone firefox
[07:13] <a-865> I use KDE, and it doesn't kill me to have pieces of Gnome hiding under the covers
[07:13] <a-865> lotta stuff depends on pieces of Gnome
[07:14] <Absorto> I'll use kde and gnome too, but inside a xen domain. I want my dom0 to be as lean as possible, so I'm getting rid of everything.
[07:14] <a-865> hard to get rid of entirely
[07:14] <Absorto> I don't even need xorg.
[07:14] <a-865> I'd try starting with apt-get remove gnome-desktop
[07:14] <Absorto> but i gather if i apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop... that doesn't remove anything, i need the underlying dependency
[07:15] <clever> apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[07:15] <clever> that should list everything it depends on
[07:16] <Absorto> ubuntu-desktop, which is gnome, depends on all the gnome stuff, so you can just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and everything gets installed. But I need it the other way around, which is... apt-get remove some-basic-gnome-lib so that everything that depends on THAT gets removed.
[07:16] <clever> gtk-orphan
[07:16] <clever> that will list all things that arent held in by depends
[07:16] <kooji> Hello, I disabled the menubar in konq........how can I bring it back
[07:16] <clever> such as things which arent needed because ubuntu-desktop was removed
[07:18] <Absorto> clever, that's pretty clever :D
[07:19] <Absorto> i think libgnome2-0 is at the root of gnome
[07:19] <clever> i use it mostly to free up space on my box with 20mb free
[07:19] <clever> there was also a page on the ubuntu site about it
[07:29] <Jacko2007> hey
[07:30] <doml_> quick question: how come I have to register to join this channel?
[07:31] <deminemi> you don't i don't think
[07:31] <kooji> I had to register my nick also
[07:31] <doml_> [10:25]  [Channel]  You need to be identified to join that channel
[07:31] <Jacko2007> is there any way I can make an kubuntu based distrubution
[07:33] <Jacko2007> ?
[07:33] <deminemi> probably
[07:33] <deminemi> ubuntu is a debian based distro
[07:33] <neo2dot0> hallo. I would like to test kde4. I have installed the packages, but how do I log in? There is no new item in gdm
[07:33] <deminemi> so i don't see a reason you can't make a ubuntu based distro, i think linux mint is
[07:34] <imaginez> neo2dot0: kde4 has packages?
[07:34] <neo2dot0> yes
[07:35] <neo2dot0> I don't know whether they are supposed to work
[07:35] <imaginez> hmm from the liveCD I suppose? if it's the case.. I'd suggest you compile the svn instead.. you'll get better results
[07:35] <neo2dot0> but they are available
[07:35] <Jacko2007> so how do I get the stuff to make a debian distro
[07:35] <neo2dot0> imaginez: its just from the online repo
[07:35] <imaginez> neo2dot0: go on techbase.kde.org there's an howto on how to get a kde4 environment
[07:36] <imaginez> neo2dot0: if you don't know what you're doing.. don't install it.. kde4.0 is in alpha stage.. lots of stuff are missing READ: it will break your computer if you don't know what you're doing
[07:36] <neo2dot0> ok, thanks
[07:36] <Jacko2007> so how do I get the stuff to make a debian distro
[07:36] <imagine> Jacko2007: install the debian distro?
[07:37] <Jacko2007> no create one
[07:37] <imagine> Jacko2007: good luck install 20 cds :P
[07:37] <deminemi> or 2 DVD's
[07:37] <neo2dot0> yeah. it is just on a secondary machine.
[07:37] <Jacko2007> 20 cd's to make a distro!?
[07:38] <deminemi> to install a distro
[07:38] <imagine> hmm... 4 cds = 1 dvd so 2 dvds = 8 cds.. I'm missing something here?
[07:38] <deminemi> you need to have it to modify it to make it your own
[07:38] <Jacko2007> I meant to say to make a distro
[07:38] <deminemi> there are 2 4.11g dvds to install for deb 3.1
[07:38] <deminemi> not sure what it is now
[07:38] <Tm_T> imagine: btw you don't have to download all cs's, all you need is the first one
[07:39] <imagine> Tm_T: yeah I know ;P
[07:39] <imagine> but stil
[07:39] <Tm_T> still what?
[07:39] <Tm_T> imagine: Ubuntu is about the same size, we just don't share rest of packages in cd's
[07:39] <imagine> you're right
[07:40] <Tm_T> no, I'm left
[07:40] <imagine> Tm_T: whatever floats your boat mate
[07:40] <imagine> :)
[07:40] <Tm_T> I'm flyer, not sailor
[07:40] <Tm_T> or hum, was I crawler
[07:41] <imagine> I don't understand that Jacko dude...
[07:41] <imagine> he is probably new to OSS
[07:43] <Absorto> say... if I didn't need udev but did need ptys... could I just manually create device files the old fashioned way?
[07:43] <DexterF> !kmenu
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:43] <DexterF> !profiles
[07:43] <Absorto> !udev
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about profiles - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <DexterF> what's the command to re-read the kmenu when items were added?
[07:48] <DexterF> does kubuntu mess with konqueror profiles somehow?
[07:52] <leoski> Hey
[07:52] <leoski> How to update kubuntu 5.10 to 7.04
[07:52] <leoski> without downloading the cd itself
[07:52] <leoski> a sort of "automatic update"
[07:52] <crowbar> leoski: That's a pretty big version jump.  You might want to consider a reinstall with the cd...
[07:53] <a-865> I think there's a web page somewhere that explains it's a bad idea
[07:53] <leoski> Yeah, i read i should update to 6.xx and then to 7.04
[07:54] <DexterF> leoski: forget it. reinstall.
[07:54] <crowbar> leoski: That's the best way to do what you ask.  But what you ask is highly recommended against.  Change your source.list file to upgrade to 6.04, change it again to go to 6.10 then again to 7.04.    But the reinstall is what you should do.
[07:54] <DexterF> or go 5.10-6.06-6.10-7.04. if you're really willing to do so
[07:54] <a-865> if u have a separate home partition it's no big deal to install fresh
[07:55] <leoski> Yeah it is a hassle, but i want to atleast update it to 6.06. Just to learn how it's done.
[07:56] <crowbar> leoski: You change your /etc/apt/source.list file and replace the name of 5.10 (which i forget) with the name for 6.06 (Which i forget)    Then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:56] <a-865> 6.06 is breezy
[07:57] <crowbar> 5.10 is hoary?  that was so long ago.
[07:57] <leoski> Thanks crowbar... I'll search the details. If i have any more questions i'll post them here
[07:57] <leoski> thanks for the tips guys
[07:57] <leoski> 5.10 is fiesty or something liek that
[07:58] <faidillinger> how do i install flv player plz
[07:58] <Tm_T> humtidum
[07:58] <Tm_T> !feisty
[07:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:58] <crowbar> feisty is the current version leoski.  7.04
[07:58] <leoski> ups,. sorry :P
[07:58] <Tm_T> it's better to use version numbers
[08:11] <TheGateKeeper> how do you list users in a group?
[08:14] <a-865> cat /etc/group | grep nameofgroup
[08:14] <crowbar> TheGateKeeper: You can take a look at /etc/group and just scroll to the group  you want to check
[08:14] <crowbar> or that :P
[08:15] <TheGateKeeper> thanx crowbar
[08:16] <autoscum> hey people :)
[08:16] <TheGateKeeper> hmmm
[08:17] <TheGateKeeper> thanx also a-865
[08:17] <autoscum> i got a problem with changing keyboard layouts after editing xorg.conf. i restarted x, but i still cant change using alt+shift
[08:17] <autoscum> :/
[08:19] <ksivaji> !noapic
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about noapic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:20] <autoscum> !keyboard
[08:20] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[08:21] <autoscum> ^^
[08:21] <autoscum> <3 u, ubotu
[08:28] <doml_> !7.10 > doml_
[08:30] <kooji> !7.10
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 7.10 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <DexterF> what's a good place to ask techie questions? I have some weird NFS issues and haven't got any answers on the kub-dev-ml. try ubuntu-dev rather?
[08:31] <K-Ryan> kooji: you mean 7.04?
[08:31] <K-Ryan> or 6.10?
[08:31] <autoscum> uhm, also i cant run mozilla, no shortcut.. :P (noob) when i type it in run command it doesnt find it, im using 6.10
[08:32] <kooji> I was trying the trigger :)
[08:32] <autoscum> any suggestions ? :)
[08:32] <K-Ryan> there's no shortcut in the K Menu?
[08:32] <autoscum> nope o.0
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Strange
[08:32] <autoscum> very
[08:32] <K-Ryan> firefox/mozilla-firefox in the console did nothing?
[08:33] <K-Ryan> as in both of those
[08:33] <autoscum> nope
[08:33] <K-Ryan> Hrm
[08:33] <autoscum> firefox/mozilla-firefox?
[08:33] <K-Ryan> firefox or mozilla-firefox
[08:33] <K-Ryan> or mozilla_firefozx
[08:33] <K-Ryan> *x
[08:33] <kooji> quick q: if I mess up the x.org file configuring my monitor, can I access my data still
[08:33] <ScarFreewill> where does konqueror store its cache can i copy some thing that I streamed of youtube to a place in ~/ ?
[08:34] <autoscum> !mozilla
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mozilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <autoscum> uh
[08:34] <K-Ryan> Never used Firefox on here yet so I dunno
[08:34] <K-Ryan> autoscum: by mozilla you mean firefox right?
[08:34] <K-Ryan> !firefox
[08:34] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:34] <autoscum> yes
[08:34] <autoscum> oh, sorry :D
[08:34] <K-Ryan> Because there is thunderbird too
[08:34] <autoscum> i just migrated from windows :)
[08:34] <K-Ryan> Welcome to the other side
[08:34] <autoscum> and im not too bright yet xD
[08:34] <K-Ryan> It's ok
[08:34] <autoscum> yeah, but
[08:34] <autoscum> when i download it
[08:35] <autoscum> it's just an archive
[08:35] <K-Ryan> Well there's your problem
[08:35] <autoscum> Adept says that the package is installed
[08:35] <K-Ryan> Where did you download the archive?
[08:35] <autoscum> in /home/autoscum
[08:35] <K-Ryan> Err, from
[08:35] <yurimxpxman> does anybody know how to get the videos on foxnews.com to work?
[08:35] <autoscum> where should i extract it?
[08:35] <autoscum> oh
[08:35] <autoscum> mozilla.com
[08:35] <K-Ryan> The net?
[08:35] <autoscum> yep
[08:36] <K-Ryan> See for the most part we use the repositories
[08:36] <autoscum> yurimxpxman: you got flash?
[08:36] <K-Ryan> !repositories
[08:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:36] <yurimxpxman> autoscum: yes, the latest.
[08:36] <autoscum> yeah, packages
[08:36] <roho> !beryl
[08:36] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:36] <phpcode> How to play ogg files?
[08:36] <doml_> !ogg | phpcode
[08:36] <ubotu> phpcode: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:36] <yurimxpxman> autoscum: It won't work in Firefox on XP, either. My mom has to switch to IE to view it.
[08:36] <K-Ryan> phpcode: Double click one and it should open in amarok
[08:36] <TheGateKeeper> autoscum: http://www.pcmech.com/article/windows-to-ubuntu-transition-guide/page-2.htm
[08:36] <autoscum> yurimxpxman: dunno then :)
[08:37] <autoscum> TheGateKeeper: i've worked with kubuntu before.. :) i knew some basics
[08:37] <TheGateKeeper> autoscum: cool :-)
[08:37] <autoscum> TheGateKeeper: yep :) i've forgotten almost everything, tho.. as you can see. :(
[08:38] <autoscum> btw, im using 6.10, should i upgrade?
[08:38] <roho> i know there are beryl youtube videos, but are there beryl music videos?
[08:38] <K-Ryan> I recomend it
[08:38] <TheGateKeeper> autoscum: well this will keep you buisy: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/%28k%29ubuntunotes
[08:38] <autoscum> :p
[08:38] <autoscum> alright then
[08:38] <autoscum> !update
[08:38] <K-Ryan> Either stick with the latest or the LTS
[08:38] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[08:38] <autoscum> ^^
[08:39] <autoscum> i rly luv this bot
[08:39] <phpcode> K-Ryan: amarok doesn't play it. it only start and then stop. :s
[08:39] <autoscum> phpcode: download mp3 codecs
[08:39] <autoscum> !mp3
[08:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:39] <K-Ryan> phpcode: Do you hear anything? Amarok does attempt to open it right?
[08:39] <K-Ryan> autoscum: he said ogg
[08:39] <autoscum> oh
[08:39] <autoscum> !ogg
[08:39] <autoscum> then
[08:39] <K-Ryan> We did
[08:39] <autoscum> uh
[08:39] <K-Ryan> Give him a minute
[08:39] <autoscum> i used to play some ogg's before
[08:39] <TheGateKeeper> autoscum: look at my page for win32codecs
[08:40] <autoscum> aha
[08:41] <phpcode> K-Ryan: it tryes to play but only for a sec and then it stops.
[08:42] <K-Ryan> Can you hear any sound at all>?
[08:43] <TheGateKeeper> when is the next LTS btw?
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Not this next version, but the one after it I think
[08:43] <jhutchins> Hey, I've seen someone else who had that problem (plays then stops).
[08:43] <autoscum> btw, there is an option to upgrade from a CD right? :)
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Correct
[08:43] <K-Ryan> If you have the cd
[08:43] <autoscum> i'll just burn one tomorrow from the local internet cafe
[08:44] <phpcode> K-Ryan: no.
[08:44] <TheGateKeeper> 8.04 then?
[08:44] <autoscum> 7.04 looks really shiney <3 :P im a fool for shiney things
[08:44] <K-Ryan> The version number is year.month
[08:44] <K-Ryan> So assuming it stays on track at 6 month periods it would be 8.04 yes
[08:46] <autoscum> i still cant get mozilla running :(
[08:47] <autoscum> K-Ryan: can you send me the shortcut?
[08:47] <K-Ryan> Open up Adept and search for firefox
[08:47] <K-Ryan> autoscum: Shortcut?
[08:47] <K-Ryan> You need to install it from the repositories, I'll see if I can find the package for you
[08:49] <autoscum> K-Ryan: yeah, the shortcut to mozilla
[08:49] <autoscum> i know it sounds stupid
[08:49] <autoscum> but it should work :P
[08:49] <K-Ryan> I really don't know what you mean.
[08:49] <autoscum> the shortcut to mozilla firefox from your k-menu
[08:49] <K-Ryan> I don't have one because I don't have firefox
[08:50] <autoscum> oh :(
[08:50] <autoscum> okay, sorry then  :P
[08:50] <K-Ryan> And if you haven't installed firefox from the repositories that archive won't do you any good.
[08:50] <K-Ryan> In fact remove the archive =P
[08:50] <autoscum> well Adept tells me that firefox is installed
[08:51] <K-Ryan> Hold on I'm installing it right now
[08:51] <K-Ryan> K Menu > Internet
[08:51] <K-Ryan> Firefox shows up
[08:51] <kooji> autoscum, write "mozilla-firefox" in the console>>> What does that say
[08:52] <K-Ryan> For me, but then again I'm on Feisty
[08:52] <autoscum> kooji: bash: mozilla-firefox: command not found
[08:52] <K-Ryan> in konsole i just type "firefox"
[08:52] <K-Ryan> and it opens
[08:52] <K-Ryan> so in your console autoscum type in
[08:53] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get remove firefox && sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:53] <autoscum> thanks :)
[08:53] <K-Ryan> Does it work?
[08:53] <autoscum> Package firefox is not installed, so not removed
[08:53] <autoscum> o.0
[08:54] <K-Ryan> Well there ya' go
[08:54] <K-Ryan> Wait, you didn't type that line like that?
[08:54] <autoscum> i wasnt supposed to? :P
[08:54] <K-Ryan> I wanted you to put the whole line in including the && and after it
[08:54] <autoscum> yeah
[08:54] <autoscum> i did
[08:54] <K-Ryan> Oh, ok
[08:54] <K-Ryan> So it should be installing if not done installing
[08:55] <K-Ryan> Check K Menu > Internet for a shortcut
[08:55] <autoscum> no, it failed on remove
[08:55] <kooji> autoscum, just type in sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:55] <autoscum> it said that the package does not exits
[08:55] <K-Ryan> Do what kooji said
[08:55] <autoscum> uh.. E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:56] <autoscum> i should reboot :)
[08:56] <K-Ryan> No
[08:56] <autoscum> no? :p
[08:56] <K-Ryan> Rebooting is only for hardware changes
[08:56] <autoscum> i see :P
[08:56] <autoscum> what then?
[08:56] <K-Ryan> Hold on
[08:57] <kooji> autoscum you may have adept open while your trying to install from console, close adept if thats the case
[08:57] <autoscum> affirmative
[08:57] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[08:57] <K-Ryan> Thanks kooji, I wouldn't of thought of that
[08:58] <K-Ryan> autoscum: Try it now =P
[08:58] <kooji> np
[08:58] <autoscum> so.. it gave another error, lemme pastebin it
[08:58] <autoscum> http://pastebin.com/932848
[08:58] <autoscum> here
[08:59] <K-Ryan> Have you opened your repositories yet?
[08:59] <K-Ryan> The universe/multiverse/backports/restricted
[08:59] <autoscum> just a sec
[08:59] <autoscum> !repositories
[08:59] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:59] <autoscum> i think i forgot.. sorry :)
[08:59] <K-Ryan> It's okay
[09:00] <jhutchins> !firefox
[09:00] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[09:00] <jhutchins> A lot of distros still call it mozilla-firefox.
[09:00] <K-Ryan> The repos have it as "firefox"
[09:01] <autoscum> this tut is for 7.04
[09:01] <autoscum> oh
[09:01] <autoscum> hold on
[09:01] <autoscum> never mind :)
[09:03] <waylandbill> could be worse. could be iceweasel. :-)
[09:05] <K-Ryan> !love
[09:05] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[09:05] <K-Ryan> That where you got ice weasels from?
[09:05] <waylandbill> no. that's the name in Debian
[09:05] <K-Ryan> Oh, o.O
[09:07] <waylandbill> It's got to do with a conflict between Mozilla and Debian over the free status of the name and icons.
[09:08] <K-Ryan> But why go for the opposite of FireFox?
[09:09] <K-Ryan> Why not something like, FlameWolf
[09:09] <autoscum> okay, guys, still problems, i dont get it :/
[09:09] <K-Ryan> Or I don't know
[09:09] <K-Ryan> autoscum: Have you opened your repositories?
[09:09] <K-Ryan> If you don't know what I'm talking about then no you haven't
[09:09] <autoscum> yes
[09:09] <autoscum> i did
[09:09] <autoscum> http://pastebin.com/932859
[09:09] <autoscum> heres
[09:10] <autoscum> hold on im updating :)
[09:10] <K-Ryan> Yeah...
[09:10] <K-Ryan> Because this is saying something about breezy...
[09:10] <autoscum> nope, same @$%#
[09:10] <autoscum> yep
[09:10] <K-Ryan> go to your console and type the following
[09:11] <K-Ryan> Hold on let me get it...
[09:11] <K-Ryan> !sources
[09:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:11] <K-Ryan> Damn I can never remember that path, hold on
[09:11] <jhutchins> !easysources
[09:11] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:12] <jhutchins> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:12] <K-Ryan> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:12] <K-Ryan> type that in your console
[09:12] <autoscum> so then? :)
[09:12] <K-Ryan> pastebin that
[09:13] <K-Ryan> be sure not to change anything
[09:13] <autoscum> affirmative
[09:15] <namuch> anyone know why konqueror will only connect to the internet as root? this is a fresh install...
[09:15] <autoscum> http://pastebin.com/932863
[09:15] <Ash-Fox> namuch, nope.
[09:15] <autoscum> namuch: what the..? thats pretty wierd
[09:15] <jhutchins> namuch: Probably because you ran it as root in the first place and it created the preferences files as root-readable only.
[09:16] <K-Ryan> Yeah there's your problem
[09:16] <K-Ryan> You said you're running Edgy right?
[09:16] <autoscum> 6.10, yeah
[09:16] <K-Ryan> Everything says breezy
[09:16] <autoscum> oh
[09:16] <namuch> jhutchins: i wish it was that simple, but no
[09:16] <K-Ryan> Hold on I'll send you the list you'll need
[09:16] <jhutchins> namuch: Ah, well, I thought you didn't know why.
[09:17] <Ash-Fox> 'sudo chown username:username -R ~'
[09:17] <namuch> jhutchins: i verified all the files in my home have my ownership,
[09:17] <Ash-Fox> replace username with your username on the system.
[09:17] <jhutchins> namuch: Why would you run it as root anyway?
[09:17] <jhutchins> namuch: (I'm stalling for time, trying to think of things to test.)
[09:18] <jhutchins> namuch: Can you browse files locally with it?
[09:18] <jhutchins> namuch: What kind of internet connection do you have?
[09:18] <namuch> jhutchins: i never ran it as root, until i read a post on another forum while searching for answers that suggested i might be running into an as yet unsolved problem
[09:18] <K-Ryan> autoscum: I have no idea what you did but this is what you should replace it with
[09:18] <K-Ryan> http://pastebin.com/932873
[09:19] <namuch> jhutchins: it works fine when using it as a file manager, but barfs when attempting to connect to internet
[09:19] <autoscum> k, done
[09:19] <autoscum> should i restart anything?
[09:19] <K-Ryan> Save that then close kate
[09:19] <namuch> jhutchins: firefox works fine, kvirc is working (obviously)...
[09:19] <autoscum> kk
[09:19] <K-Ryan> then in your console "sudo apt-get update"
[09:20] <K-Ryan> then sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:20] <autoscum> wow
[09:20] <autoscum> it works ^^
[09:20] <jhutchins> namuch: What kind of internet connection do you have?
[09:20] <jhutchins> namuch: Can you browse files locally with it?
[09:20] <autoscum> thanks, K-Ryan ! :P
[09:20] <K-Ryan> That should do it
[09:20] <autoscum> all hail K-Ryan :p
[09:20] <K-Ryan> I'm guessing it worked.
[09:20] <autoscum> yep, updating :)
[09:20] <namuch> jhutchins: yep, internet connection is standard cable, i have a gentoo server that is my firewall if that's what you are asking
[09:20] <jhutchins> namuch: What happens if you create a new user and try to browse as that user?
[09:21] <namuch> jhutchins: :) tried that too, same thing happens
[09:21] <autoscum> wow, that's a lot of updates :)
[09:21] <kooji> does anyone know if I can change the background of the OSX menubar panel at top
[09:21] <jhutchins> namuch: How about ftp?
[09:22] <jhutchins> namuch: Or how about http:// to a raw IP instead of a hostname?
[09:22] <namuch> jhutchins: ftp from within konq works fine...
[09:22] <autoscum> K-Ryan: it failed to fetch some files from the CD-ROM
[09:22] <namuch> jhutchins: http://192.168.* breaks
[09:22] <autoscum> it says something about breezy badger o.0
[09:22] <K-Ryan> Yeah I figured that line would be troublesome
[09:22] <K-Ryan> Hold on a sec
[09:23] <namuch> jhutchins: think it's a borked permission on a kioslave?
[09:23] <jhutchins> namuch: Do you have any security settings or a firewall on the box? (not the exteral)
[09:23] <namuch> jhutchins: nope it's a fresh install, with nothing installed but the os (and now firefox and kvirc)
[09:24] <jhutchins> and kedsu konqueror you can browse just fine...
[09:24] <namuch> jhutchins: yep
[09:24] <namuch> jhutchins: there is a mention on linuxquestions.org (from a google hit), that has others having the same problem i am in the last week, but no answers as yet
[09:25] <jhutchins> namuch: Since you haven't invested much in configuring the box so far, you might consider just reinstalling.
[09:25] <K-Ryan> autoscum: put this in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" http://pastebin.com/932881
[09:25] <namuch> jhutchins: it's actually a virtual machine, so that's really not a problem, was just hoping to avoid doing that if the problem was solvable
[09:26] <jhutchins> namuch: You might get a bit deeper pool of knowledge on the forums.
[09:27] <jhutchins> namuch: Could it be something to do with the VM?
[09:27] <namuch> jhutchins: i would consider the vm, 'cept i'm not the only person out there with this problem
[09:28] <namuch> jhutchins: and, i've been using vmware/parallels for years now and never had compatibility issues.. ever
[09:28] <namuch> namuch: thanks for the help anyway, much appreciated
[09:29] <K-Ryan> namuch: did you just thank yourself? =P
[09:29] <namuch> yeah...:) clicked on wrong link
[09:29] <K-Ryan> =P
[09:30] <autoscum> K-Ryan: i'll be right back, my grandma cant cut a damn watermelon :)
[09:30] <K-Ryan> It's alright =P
[09:33] <autoscum> K-Ryan: that was one tough watermelon.. o.0 had to use my machete
[09:33] <K-Ryan> =P
[09:33] <jhutchins> autoscum: I hope you cleaned it.
[09:33] <autoscum> yep, i did
[09:34] <autoscum> there, its working :)
[09:34] <autoscum> oh, hold on
[09:34] <autoscum> it installed a few packs
[09:34] <autoscum> and same error
[09:34] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:34] <K-Ryan> you saved the new sources.list?
[09:34] <autoscum> yep
[09:35] <K-Ryan> What's the error say? No candidate blah blah blah?
[09:35] <K-Ryan> !info firefox
[09:35] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.4+1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9012 kB, installed size 28592 kB
[09:36] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[09:36] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: He does have to update after he saves the list and before he installs...
[09:37] <K-Ryan> I assumed he did
[09:37] <K-Ryan> autoscum: Did you?
[09:37] <autoscum> K-Ryan: sorry, im doing a lot of things at once. :/
[09:38] <K-Ryan> autoscum: It's ok, try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:38] <autoscum> http://pastebin.com/932891
[09:39] <autoscum> erm here's what it says when i sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:39] <K-Ryan> okay try this
[09:39] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get -f install firefox
[09:40] <rraajj> Hmm. What happened to Feisty's VCD support? I can't watch any of my VCDs. :(
[09:41] <autoscum> E: Broken packages
[09:41] <autoscum> what?!
[09:41] <K-Ryan> I have no idea
[09:41] <autoscum> http://pastebin.com/932897
[09:41] <autoscum> i did install -f with no pack
[09:41] <autoscum> it advised me to do so
[09:42] <K-Ryan> Open up Adept and find firefox
[09:42] <K-Ryan> Try to install it from there
[09:45] <dorshin> how can i learn my os version?
[09:45] <K-Ryan> !version
[09:45] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[09:45] <dorshin> thx K-Ryan
[09:45] <K-Ryan> No problem
[09:46] <autoscum> K-Ryan: it gives an error
[09:46] <autoscum> just a sec
[09:47] <autoscum> problem with downloading packages or the commit will break changes
[09:47] <K-Ryan> I dunno
[09:48] <K-Ryan> !easysources
[09:48] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:48] <K-Ryan> Try that I guess
[09:48] <kooji> !kopete
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <K-Ryan> !info kopete
[09:48] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 7108 kB, installed size 19632 kB
[09:48] <waylandbill> I was going to ask how ubotu couldn't know about kopete. :-D
[09:48] <kooji> is feisty using the latest kopete?
[09:49] <K-Ryan> Dunno
[09:49] <rraajj> No VCD playback is weird. :|
[09:49] <waylandbill> probably not latest cvs. maybe latest stable, but who knows.
[09:49] <K-Ryan> I've got version 0.12.4
[09:49] <autoscum> there, it generated sources.list
[09:49] <adz21c> 0.12.5
[09:49] <adz21c> here
[09:50] <autoscum> where was sources.list again? :/
[09:50] <K-Ryan>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:51] <waylandbill> 0.12.4 is for 3.5.6
[09:51] <autoscum> Reading package lists... Done
[09:51] <autoscum> :))))
[09:51] <K-Ryan> That would explain it
[09:51] <K-Ryan> autoscum: Does firefox work now?
[09:52] <waylandbill> also /etc/apt/sources.d don't forget.
[09:52] <K-Ryan> Wha?
[09:52] <autoscum> sources.d??
[09:53] <ace_suares> !pptp
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <ace_suares> !vpn
[09:53] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[09:53] <autoscum> waylandbill: what should i do with sources.d ?
[09:53] <autoscum> kate doesnt seem to want to open it
[09:54] <K-Ryan> There's a folder "sources.list.d"
[09:54] <autoscum> hold on :) i think it's gonna work this time ^^
[09:55] <K-Ryan> but nothing in that folder
[09:56] <K-Ryan> autoscum: Be sure to sudo apt-get update
[10:00] <autoscum> everything's okay
[10:00] <K-Ryan> And firefox works?
[10:00] <autoscum> but it still says broken packages :/
[10:01] <K-Ryan> try just sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:01] <jhutchins> sources.d is for an alternative method of configuring sources.
[10:01] <jhutchins> All of the standard sources are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:01] <K-Ryan> He's running edgy mind you
[10:02] <K-Ryan> So I don't know if the same applies
[10:02] <jhutchins> Yes.
[10:04] <asaup> hi all
[10:04] <K-Ryan> Hi there asaup
[10:04] <TheCreationist> I just upgraded from Edgy to Feisty and now startup takes a VERY long time.  I've posted the slowdown part of dmesg here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26482/  Could someone please take a look and see what I can do to fix it?
[10:04] <asaup> does anyone know any swf editor ??
[10:04] <TheCreationist> I also, once again, have no sound in Feisty after upgrading...
[10:04] <asaup> i want to edit a swf
[10:04] <K-Ryan> TheCreationist: I'm no expert but it looks like you're having trouble with a device
[10:05] <TheCreationist> K-Ryan: Yeah, I figured that.  Something to do with my hard drive, I think.
[10:05] <K-Ryan> Yeah looks like it
[10:05] <autoscum> K-Ryan: ah, @%#! mozilla :) i'll just use opera :D
[10:06] <K-Ryan> Sorry I don't really know what to do about that TheCreationist
[10:06] <K-Ryan> autoscum: It still doesn't work?
[10:06] <TheCreationist> K-Ryan: Any idea why my sound suddenly doesn't work?  I've checked alsamixer and nothing is muted.
[10:06] <K-Ryan> autoscum: This isn't a problem that will go away. If you don't have those packages other things are bound to be affected.
[10:06] <autoscum> yeah i noticed that
[10:06] <autoscum> skype doesnt wanna install as well
[10:07] <K-Ryan> TheCreationist: Not sure, sorry
[10:07] <autoscum> not that i like it much, there are ppl there that dont have any other contact with me :P
[10:09] <TheCreationist> I just upgraded from Edgy to Feisty and now startup takes a VERY long time.  I've posted the slowdown part of dmesg here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26482/  Could someone please take a look and see what I can do to fix it?
[10:12] <doml_> heh, I don't think thecreationist's system is very stable at all
[10:12] <doml_> try a kernel upgrade before you crash again
[10:13] <TheCreationist> doml_: I have the latest kernel
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> TheCreationist: I had the same problem with some distros..
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> never could trace it
[10:14] <TheCreationist> Feisty has never worked properly for me... but after a month or so since the last time I tried it, I thought the bugs I reported would have been fixed.
[10:15] <TheCreationist> So now I have very slow boot times and no sound...
[10:17] <autoscum> repeat: im having trouble with installing mozilla firefox in kubuntu 6.10 "E: Broken Packages"
[10:17] <RawSewage> ?
[10:17] <TheCreationist> autoscum: Try running sudo apt-get install -f
[10:17] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:17] <autoscum> i did
[10:17] <autoscum> that's when the error comes along (install firefox)
[10:17] <autoscum> install -f?
[10:17] <TheCreationist> autoscum: Did you run a 'sudo apt-get update' recently?
[10:18] <autoscum> 3 minutes ago
[10:18] <autoscum> :)
[10:18] <TheCreationist> autoscum: -f basically means to fix any installation issues.
[10:18] <autoscum> yes they're all fixed
[10:18] <autoscum> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 728 not upgraded.
[10:18] <RawSewage> reformat/reinstall
[10:19] <autoscum> RawSewage: that's kind of extreme =)
[10:19] <RawSewage> lol
[10:19] <autoscum> i installed kubuntu today
[10:19] <autoscum> i dont see any sence in doing that
[10:19] <RawSewage> this is a fresh install?
[10:19] <autoscum> otherwise i'd already have done it
[10:19] <autoscum> yep
[10:19] <autoscum> fresh install of kubuntu 6.10
[10:19] <RawSewage> is that Edgy
[10:19] <autoscum> here's what it says - http://pastebin.com/932931
[10:20] <RawSewage> I know it's irrelevant, but why not 7.04
[10:20] <autoscum> i didnt have a CD
[10:20] <autoscum> i migrated to linux today as well - windows totally pissed me off, almost destroyed the hard drive
[10:21] <RawSewage> 7.04 is so much easier
[10:21] <RawSewage> but anyway
[10:21] <autoscum> i know that, im gonna upgrade tomorrow
[10:21] <kenro> autoscum, Wait. How 'almost destroyed your hardrive'?
[10:21] <RawSewage> you did everything right, so I dont know what that error is
[10:22] <kenro> Bug in fdisk?
[10:22] <RawSewage> maybe theres a new FF today
[10:22] <autoscum> kenro: i know it sounds kind of ... dumb, but windows gave me a bsod, i rebooted, then it froze on boot and the hard drive started makeing wierd sounds
[10:22] <autoscum> then i rebooted again
[10:22] <autoscum> and it said that "hal.dll is missing"
[10:22] <autoscum> i got pissed off and erased my entire drive.. =)
[10:22] <autoscum> i gotta learn some anger management ^^
[10:23] <kenro> autoscum,  I suspect so. :)
[10:23] <jhutchins> autoscum: You might try this: apt-get clean to remove any bad packages, then apt-get -f install
[10:23] <RawSewage> do you know if youre using the 64-bit version
[10:23] <autoscum> no, im not using 64bits :)
[10:23] <RawSewage> switching to Linux is a good first step to anger management
[10:24] <autoscum> yea :p
[10:24] <autoscum> jhutchins: apt-get clean just completed without echoing anything
[10:24] <jhutchins> autoscum: You should be prepared to deal with the fact that it wasn't windows that was bad, it was the hard drive that is in the process of failing.
[10:24] <autoscum> no, its behaving fine now
[10:24] <jhutchins> autoscum: I just barely managed to recover the data from one that started out just like that.
[10:25] <kenro> My first 4 months using BSD/Linux, I was pulling my hair out cussing everyone online for all there were worth.
[10:25] <autoscum> xD
[10:25] <autoscum> that's the spirit, kenro
[10:25] <autoscum> haha
[10:25] <jhutchins> autoscum: Cool, just be prepared in case it is a hardware failure.
[10:25] <autoscum> im always ready :)
[10:25] <RawSewage> Horse Stance!
[10:25] <jhutchins> autoscum: so apt-get -f install?
[10:25] <kenro> By my 9th month I was thinking 'this wasn't as bad as I'd thought'.
[10:25] <autoscum> nothing
[10:26] <autoscum> 0/0
[10:26] <kenro> Anger management. pha. :P
[10:26] <jhutchins> RawSewage: I do horse stance with a real horse.
[10:27] <jhutchins> autoscum: Hrmn.
[10:27] <jhutchins> autoscum: Can you post the whole error, or pastebin it if it's more than a couple lines?
[10:27] <autoscum> okay
[10:35] <deminemi> does anyone know off hand where i can find the definition for struct pci_dev{ ?
[10:35] <deminemi> trying to find out how it works
[10:35] <autoscum> deminemi: did you try google? =) it knows a lot, you know :P
[10:35] <autoscum> the "define:" argument is really useful
[10:35] <kenro> jhutchins, I'd switched to *nix for just that reason. bsod>freeze-on-reboot>hdd-make-wierd-noises. But it was nothing compared to the wierd noises I made when I found out WinXP was 500 dollars.
[10:35] <autoscum> jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/932939
[10:35] <jhutchins> ...about 138,000 English pages for "struct pci_dev". (0.10 seconds)
[10:35] <deminemi> not define though
[10:36] <autoscum> not definate enough, huh...
[10:36] <autoscum> sorry, cant help you :)
[10:36] <deminemi> i am looking for where in the code struct pci_dev { appears, google has too many other things
[10:36] <deminemi> not definite at all :-
[10:36] <deminemi> :-\ *
[10:36] <deminemi> bah, i am just going to grep everything then >.<
[10:36] <jhutchins> firefox: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3) but 2.8.6-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[10:36] <autoscum> yeah, i saw that
[10:36] <jhutchins> That looks like a bad firefox package to me.
[10:36] <jhutchins> Oops... No, we need > 2.10.3...
[10:36] <autoscum> yeah
[10:36] <autoscum> so what should i do? apt-get?
[10:36] <jhutchins> pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:36] <bubu1uk> i got problem to play real video streams. when trying mplayer, it won't play, kaffeine thru xine plays video, no sound, kmplayer thru xine, same, thru mplayer plays ok for a few secs then starts loop, any ideas here?
[10:36] <autoscum> jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/932946
[10:36] <jhutchins> !real
[10:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:36] <jhutchins> bubu1uk: Install helix or realplayer 10.
[10:36] <jhutchins> !find libgtk2.0-0
[10:36] <ubotu> Found: libgtk2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0-dbg
[10:36] <bubu1uk> realplayer10 just shuts down/crashes when tryint to play thru that. vlc doesn't play as well.
[10:36] <jhutchins> !info libgtk2.0-0
[10:36] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.11-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 2481 kB, installed size 5372 kB
[10:36] <bubu1uk> can play all types of videos
[10:36] <jhutchins> autoscum: The qustion is, why isn't it installing that automatically?
[10:36] <bubu1uk> got all codesc installed
[10:36] <autoscum> cuz it's a default for feisty
[10:36] <autoscum> i dont know..
[10:36] <jhutchins> autoscum: Try aptitude install libgtk2.0-0
[10:36] <autoscum> should i apt-get it?
[10:36] <autoscum> kk
[10:36] <jhutchins> !info libgtk2.0-0 edgy
[10:37] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 (edgy), package size 2420 kB, installed size 5304 kB
[10:37] <autoscum> uh
[10:37] <autoscum> Unknown id: aptitude
[10:37] <jhutchins> apt-get then
[10:37] <autoscum> kk
[10:37] <deminemi> make sure to su or sudo
[10:37] <jhutchins> sudo, of couse.
[10:37] <autoscum> oh, hold on
[10:37] <autoscum> sorry :)
[10:37] <deminemi> sudo is yucky, <3 su
[10:38] <autoscum> okay it's done
[10:38] <autoscum> lemme try mozilla
[10:39] <autoscum> same...
[10:40] <autoscum> doing some more
[10:40] <autoscum> same %#@$...
[10:41] <autoscum> i think it should be a higher version
[10:41] <jhutchins> ok, it installed the 2.10.6 version, but is complaining still?  What's that line say now, the one with the versions.
[10:42] <autoscum> just a sec
[10:43] <autoscum> no, it installed the 2.0.0 version
[10:43] <autoscum> wtf is going on...
[10:45] <kenro> Anyone using gutsy yet?
[10:45] <autoscum> yay! it work'd
[10:45] <autoscum> i think
[10:46] <autoscum> uh, no
[10:46] <autoscum> it didnt
[10:46] <autoscum> :(
[10:46] <autoscum> im gonna go burn the 7.04 tomorrow
[10:46] <autoscum> and format everything ^^
[10:46] <autoscum> then it shouldnt be any trouble =)
[10:47] <autoscum> thanks for all the help guys :)
[10:50] <kenro> I'm having device lookup/linkage errors, but cannot find the exact bootup msg...
[10:52] <deminemi> is it a kernel message?
[10:52] <deminemi> dmesg will give you kernel messages
[10:52] <kenro> I get something in dmesg, but not sure how much help it can be.
[10:53] <kenro> pastebin?
[10:53] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I just got my sound working on my friend's laptop
[10:53] <kenro> #spam?
[10:53] <K-Ryan> pastebin it
[10:53] <K-Ryan> I still need to work on his wireless though
[10:54] <K-Ryan> I was in the middle of installing ndiswrapper yesterday although I couldn't find the bcm1390 driver I need though.
[10:54] <kenro> K-Ryan, What's the pastebin cmd?
[10:54] <K-Ryan> Know where I'd be able to get it?
[10:54] <deminemi> i would say google but i'm sure that isn't very useful "-\
[10:54] <K-Ryan> kenro: the link is in the channel topic
[10:54] <K-Ryan> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:55] <deminemi> you could try chacha.com , i use that when i can't find stuff, they are pretty good
[10:55] <kenro> K-Ryan, Oh OK, But I would forget ndis and just cut out the firmware.
[10:56] <kenro> extrat, that is
[10:56] <K-Ryan> kenro: I
[10:56] <K-Ryan> oops, hit enter early..
[10:56] <kooji> hi can I upgrade feisty to latest KDE
[10:56] <K-Ryan> I'm not experienced with the wireless drivers or driver editing at all
[10:57] <kenro> bcm43xx-fwcutter... I think is the name
[10:57] <K-Ryan> !ati
[10:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:58] <kenro> kooji, edit sources.list
[10:58] <kenro> kooji,  then update and dist-upgrade
[10:59] <kooji> actually I just want to upgrade to latest version of kopete
[10:59] <autoscum> err, another problem poped up
[10:59] <autoscum> xine is missing in amarok
[10:59] <autoscum> :/
[11:03] <K-Ryan> What is this restricted drivers manager thing in the graphics drivers tutorial?
[11:03] <K-Ryan> I don't have it and it sounds easy so I want it
[11:06] <kenro> someone check pastebin.
[11:06] <autoscum> why, what's wrong with patebin?
[11:07] <kenro> check ken'ro's post, please.
[11:07] <K-Ryan> !restricteddriversmanager
[11:07] <kenro> kenro's post
[11:07] <K-Ryan> !restricteddriversmanager
[11:07] <K-Ryan> !driversmanager
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about driversmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <K-Ryan> !restricteddrivers
[11:09] <kenro> K-Ryan, manages non-free hardware drivers
[11:09] <K-Ryan> I'm trying to setup fglrx
[11:09] <kenro> apt-cache and synaptic will tell everything.
[11:10] <kenro> You need xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:11] <K-Ryan> Then?
[11:11] <kenro> reboot, enjoy?
[11:11] <K-Ryan> No way is it that simple
[11:12] <kenro> Why not?
[11:12] <autoscum> !xine
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <K-Ryan> It was so much harder when I did it a while back for my Ati card
[11:12] <autoscum> !amarok
[11:12] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[11:12] <K-Ryan> Anyway I'll try the reboot and see if it works
[11:14] <kenro> success yet?
[11:14] <K-Ryan> No I logged on on my desktop
[11:14] <K-Ryan> Just looking for something briefly
[11:14] <K-Ryan> !beryl
[11:14] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:15] <kenro> !what about the scrollwheel control if you use synaptic touchpad?
[11:16] <doml_> !touchpad
[11:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <autoscum> !mp3
[11:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:17] <kenro> Anyway, my mouse spontaneously switches windows as though it had a bad mousewheel driver, but it doesn't even have a mousewheel. How to fix?
[11:18] <kenro> And has anyone checked my bootlog issue?
[11:19] <kenro> I'm using gutsy...
[11:20] <autoscum> .. adept is gone o.0
[11:20] <autoscum> wtf?!?!
[11:20] <darkrift411> i cant even get a movie to play without skipping.... ive recently restarted x, is there anything i can do? processes i can kill or something?
[11:20] <kenro> Stay with synaptic/aptitude. Forget adept.
[11:20] <autoscum> alright
[11:21] <Jucato> autoscum: what do you mean byadept being gone?
[11:21] <autoscum> well
[11:21] <autoscum> it's gone from the menu
[11:21] <autoscum> and
[11:21] <autoscum> when i type adpet in "Rum command..." it says that it doesnt exist
[11:21] <kenro> Adept gave me problems, too. I had to get rid of it, never used it anyway. ;)
[11:22] <Jucato> autoscum: the name of the command is "adept_manager" (Adept Manager) or "adept_installer" (Add/Remove Programs)
[11:23] <autoscum> nope, none work
[11:23] <autoscum> :/
[11:23] <kenro> autoscum, Next time you get such error, double check with ls /usr/bin|grep (suspected name)
[11:24] <K-Ryan> Okay, he may have fglrx on the laptop now except beryl isn't working
[11:24] <autoscum> okay.. i dont think i will come across anything like that, tomorrow im formatting and installing 7.04
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> use synaptic
[11:24] <autoscum> it seems better
[11:24] <autoscum> i got faith in the devs =)
[11:25] <kenro> Blid Faith were a great 60's rock group, but I wouldn't take it much farther.
[11:26] <kenro> Blind Faith
[11:27] <kenro> Can anyone help me prove myself a hypocrit and assist me with my mouse problem?
[11:27] <autoscum> im guessing - no
[11:27] <autoscum> :p
[11:28] <kenro> waa
[11:28] <autoscum> hey dont worry
[11:28] <kenro> sob
[11:28] <autoscum> i cant even listen to music
[11:28] <autoscum> >>
[11:28] <kenro> Which kernel?
[11:28] <autoscum> eh?
[11:28] <autoscum> amarok
[11:28] <autoscum> with gstreamer
[11:28] <autoscum> no xine...
[11:28] <kenro> kernel version
[11:29] <autoscum> of what? :p
[11:29] <kenro> the kernel
[11:29] <autoscum> main kernel?
[11:29] <autoscum> dunno
[11:29] <autoscum> (main kernel.. wtf am i talking about)
[11:29] <kenro> uname -a
[11:29] <K-Ryan> !ati
[11:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:30] <autoscum> Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:30] <autoscum> i686 ?!
[11:30] <Jucato> autoscum: what media format can't you listen to? installed libxine-extracodecs already?
[11:30] <kenro> I think this is the root of All your problems. You need at least 2.6.20.
[11:31] <autoscum> yeah, i did
[11:31] <autoscum> i cant listen to mp3
[11:31] <autoscum> i just dont have the xine engine
[11:31] <autoscum> if i did
[11:31] <autoscum> i'd be listening
[11:32] <kenro> What happenes when you install amarok-xine?
[11:32] <Jucato> autoscum: xine engine is installed by default
[11:32] <Jucato> try checking if amarok is using it
[11:33] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure Amarok -> Engine
[11:33] <autoscum> i know
[11:33] <autoscum> i checked
[11:33] <autoscum> it's only one engine there
[11:33] <autoscum> gstreamer
[11:33] <kenro> What happenes when you install amarok-xine?
[11:33] <Jucato> O.o
[11:33] <autoscum> apt-get?
[11:34] <autoscum> E: Broken packages
[11:34] <autoscum> that's what happens
[11:34] <autoscum> with apt-get
[11:35] <kenro> Remove and purge all amarok and xine pkgs, re-install.
[11:35] <autoscum> apt-get remove, right?
[11:35] <Artemis3> does anyone knows what to do with adept when a package asks a question but you can't answer it?
[11:35] <kenro> apt-get remove --purge
[11:35] <autoscum> Artemis3: i'd laugh my %#@ out :p
[11:36] <technopaper> Does anyone know what the latest kernel upgrade did to Ubunutu?
[11:36] <Artemis3> autoscum, done...
[11:36] <autoscum> okay..
[11:36] <autoscum> now restart adept
[11:36] <autoscum> and try again
[11:36] <technopaper> I used the automatic update thing and now kdm won't start :(
[11:36] <autoscum> kenro: okay... now apt-get install amarok-xine ?
[11:37] <autoscum> or only amarok
[11:37] <Artemis3> you know, the show details shows you like 5 lines of terminal and then the package shows a dialog you are supposed to answer but you cant
[11:37] <kenro> autoscum, What is the respective pkg desc?
[11:37] <autoscum> Artemis3: yeah.. must be a bug (thanks to me - mr. obvious) im afraid i cant help you
[11:37] <autoscum> kenro: talk in cmd's :)) im new
[11:38] <Artemis3> ok iwas hoping there was a way to fix it, like installing a missing package or something different than using apt-get in a terminal...
[11:39] <kenro> In that case, try kde{gk}su synaptic
[11:39] <autoscum> kenro: the respective pkg desc?
[11:39] <kenro> Heh. :) Just use synaptic. It'll show everything you need to know.
[11:39] <Artemis3> hmm
[11:40] <kenro> amarok-engines and amarok-xine... install these.
[11:40] <illriginal> Does anyone know how to port a windows theme onto linux metacity/gtk?
[11:40] <autoscum> kk
[11:41] <autoscum> idiot errors again
[11:41] <autoscum> im gonna be up all night fixing errors.. >>
[11:41] <autoscum> and flooding pastebin ofcourse
[11:42] <autoscum> kenro: http://pastebin.com/932991 here
[11:44] <kenro> What distr you are using?
[11:45] <autoscum> Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-9-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:14:36 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:45] <autoscum> 6.10 in other words..
[11:45] <kenro> I'm getting the idea behind pastebin... Could someone check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for me?
[11:46] <autoscum> what's to check?
[11:46] <autoscum> its workin
[11:46] <Jucato> kenro: you need to give the URL that is produced when you clicked on the paste button there
[11:46] <kenro> That's your Linkernel version, not the distr.
[11:47] <kenro> Jucato, Yeah. I'm still learning it.
[11:47] <kenro> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26492/
[11:47] <autoscum> kenro: im using kubuntu 6.10
[11:47] <kenro> Andwant the latest apps?
[11:48] <autoscum> i dont want the latest apps
[11:48] <autoscum> i want an amarok with xine
[11:48] <autoscum> so i'd have something to do until tomorro
[11:48] <autoscum> w
[11:48] <autoscum> :p
[11:49] <XVampireX> Hi
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: why are you running a 2.6.12 kernel? 6.10 should have a .17 kernel
[11:50] <autoscum> i have no idea
[11:50] <autoscum> i just installed it today
[11:50] <kenro> I dunno, then. Looks to me like that edgy repo wasn't put together right.
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: did you upgrade
[11:50] <autoscum> cuz windows crapped up and pissed me off
[11:50] <XVampireX> I need help, getting my new uber PC tomorrow or friday, don't know which version of linux (kubuntu Feisty Fawn) I should get, 64bit or 32bit
[11:50] <autoscum> no, i didnt
[11:50] <XVampireX> Currently using 32bit kubuntu feisty fawn
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: have you ever used linux b4?
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> how long?
[11:50] <XVampireX> I've been using it for about 1 year and a half
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: how much RAM does your new computer have?
[11:51] <XVampireX> plenty
[11:51] <XVampireX> 2gb of DDR2 800mhz ram
[11:51] <SlimeyPete> XVampireX: 32bit is usually the bst bet. It still has better software/driver support.
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: well, go 64 bit if you want bragging rights and a little hard work.
[11:51] <kenro> XVampireX, I'm using Teh Gibbon for 3 weeks.
[11:52] <XVampireX> Can you tell me exactly what I will have problems with 64bit on my hardware?
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: sounds like you have a messed up install somehow
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: mostly codecs, FLash, sometimes drivers
[11:52] <XVampireX> but they are overall easy to setup, right?
[11:52] <autoscum> nosrednaekim: yaeh, i kinda noticed that =)
[11:52] <XVampireX> will I have improved performance with 64bit?
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> and lots of unsupported apps like 32bit skype acrobat reader and such (they're the worst problem)
[11:53] <XVampireX> I won't be able to run them?
[11:53] <kenro> autoscum, Once, I got duplicate pkgs ugrading from Eft to Fawn.
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: since you don't have 3gigs of ram or more.. I'd say no
[11:53] <autoscum> XVampireX: just use 32bits and keep it simple :)
[11:53] <kenro> Screwed me all up.
[11:53] <SlimeyPete> XVampireX: no, not really.The performance differnce (for desktop software) will be negliible.
[11:53] <XVampireX> nosrednaekim: I have Quad Core though :P
[11:53] <autoscum> kenro: that real bad :p
[11:53] <XVampireX> and what is the difference between DVD and CD?
[11:54] <kenro> Number of pkgs?
[11:54] <RawSewage> Compiz Fusion is the final name of Compiz+Beryl
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: are you sure you gave it an edgy repository not a hoary hedgehog repo?
[11:54] <XVampireX> RawSewage: Yes
[11:54] <RawSewage> ok
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> XVampireX: DVD has lots f packages on the CD so it's useful if you have no net connection
[11:54] <autoscum> nosrednaekim: yeah, i generated a source list
[11:54] <Dragnslcr> RawSewage- bleh, is that official?
[11:54] <autoscum> !easysources
[11:54] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:54] <XVampireX> SlimeyPete: But I do :D
[11:54] <RawSewage> Dragnslcr, I saw it on Digg
[11:54] <Dragnslcr> I liked Coral
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> XVampireX: so get the CD instead :)
[11:54] <RawSewage> Coral is good
[11:54] <XVampireX> I saw it on digg too, there's also this video, hehe :P
[11:54] <Dragnslcr> I wonder if anybody suggested Corundum
[11:55] <XVampireX> so 32bit feisty on CD, right?
[11:55] <autoscum> btw, how can i check my distro version? cuz im not sure on what im using
[11:55] <RawSewage> what about Compyll  , like Compile
[11:55] <autoscum> im suspecting im using 5.10 o.o
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:55] <autoscum> omg
[11:55] <SlimeyPete> XVampireX: yeah, I'd vote for that
[11:55] <XVampireX> Alright then
[11:55] <autoscum> yeah, i must have picked up an old cd, for @$#% sake
[11:55] <autoscum> where can i check it?
[11:55] <XVampireX> I'll still have good performance, right?
[11:56] <SlimeyPete> XVampireX: yes
[11:56] <XVampireX> good
[11:56] <RawSewage> autoscum, lol
[11:56] <autoscum> !checkversion
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about checkversion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: but then we'd have all the know off names, emerald would become polyp, etc
[11:56] <Dragnslcr> I made the mistake of installing the amd64 version
[11:56] <RawSewage> 5.1 is ancient
[11:56] <autoscum> RawSewage: i know :D
[11:56] <autoscum> so .. the version?
[11:56] <RawSewage> you should just do a freah install
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:56] <XVampireX> RawSewage: 5.10 not 5.1
[11:56] <RawSewage> of 7.04
[11:56] <Dragnslcr> If you have a DVD burner, discs you aren't using otherwise, and an extra day for downloading, I would get the DVD
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: I'll have that verdict in a moment
[11:57] <RawSewage> XVampireX, oh yeah, that would be january
[11:57] <XVampireX> :P
[11:57] <Dragnslcr> autoscum- look for dapper, edgy, or feisty in your sources.list
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: of you would pastebin that file..
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> *if
[11:57] <Dragnslcr> If none of those are there, your version is really old
[11:57] <Dragnslcr> 5.10 was Hoary, wasn't it?
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> yeah I think so
[11:58] <autoscum> http://pastebin.com/933004
[11:58] <autoscum> here's my sources.list
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> ok, thanks
[11:58] <autoscum> it's a generated one
[11:58] <autoscum> for 6.10
[11:58] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, edgy
[11:58] <autoscum> from source-o-matic
[11:58] <Dragnslcr> Which is 6.10
[11:58] <XVampireX> 20gb for main partition is good, right?
[11:58] <autoscum> you're not listening to me..
[11:58] <autoscum> !easysources
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> then why do you have a 2.6.12 kernel?
[11:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: if you have a separate /hom, yeah
[11:59] <autoscum> because im using an outdated distro! cuz im a dumbass and i dont label the version on the CD's
[11:59] <autoscum> im sorry for all the trouble
[11:59] <XVampireX> nosrednaekim: Yeah, what I'm talking about :P
[11:59] <autoscum> im gonna go look for the 6.10
[12:00] <XVampireX> right now I have 10gb for root but it's not enough I think
[12:00] <XVampireX> and I'm getting a huge 500gb harddisk (250gb*2)
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: thats ok...no problem! just go get the fiesty CD
[12:00] <XVampireX> instead of 40gb that I have now :P
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: no, look for 7.04
[12:01] <autoscum> nosrednaekim: it's 1 am here :P i cant get to it, i dont know crap about burning images with linux
[12:01] <autoscum> and i dont have any cd's either
[12:01] <autoscum> :(
[12:01] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: yeah 20 should be fine
[12:01] <nosrednaekim> i'm using 6 right now
[12:01] <Dragnslcr> K3b can burn iso's can't it?
[12:01] <SlimeyPete> "cdrecord <device path> <iso filename>"
[12:01] <XVampireX> autoscum: you live in Israel?
[12:01] <SlimeyPete> or just "k3b" ;)
[12:01] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: yeah.
[12:01] <autoscum> XVampireX: Bulgaria :) same timezone
[12:02] <XVampireX> Ah, okey
[12:02] <XVampireX> the IP also reminds me of israel
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: its VERY VERY easy
[12:02] <autoscum> nosrednaekim: i dont doubt that, but scince i might not find an empty cd...
[12:02] <autoscum> i'll look anyway :p
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> k
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: so what kind of hardware are you putting in this super-PC?
[12:04] <autoscum> nosrednaekim: i found the 6.10 cd by accident
[12:04] <autoscum> :P
[12:05] <autoscum> should i install it and update now
[12:05] <autoscum> or wait till tomorrow to get a cd
[12:06] <XVampireX> nosrednaekim: Quad Core, geforce 8800 GTX, 2gb of OCZ DDR2 Ram clocked at 800mhz, etc...
[12:06] <RawSewage> CD fresh install
[12:06] <XVampireX> Kandalf Full Tower Case ;)
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: sweet... you should throw a couple WD raptors in there in RAID0
[12:07] <RawSewage> autoscum, if you upgrade from 6 to 7, youll end up downloading hundreds of mb anyway
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: that sould be fine if you feel up to it!
[12:07] <XVampireX> 250GB Sata2 * 2 HDDs
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> yeah, his problem is no CD.
[12:07] <autoscum> well, i dont mind waiting :)
[12:07] <autoscum> and i got a fast connection
[12:07] <RawSewage> do you have a USB thing
[12:07] <XVampireX> Yeah I wanted a Raptor at fast but it's too expensive supposedly, I'll get one at some point.
[12:07] <autoscum> flash memory
[12:07] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: are you familiar with the western digital raptors?
[12:07] <RawSewage> flash memory
[12:07] <XVampireX> Yes
[12:07] <autoscum> nope, i lost it :(
[12:08] <XVampireX> 10,000 RPM
[12:08] <XVampireX> and some 74GB
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: $150 for 74gigs.
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> like $250 for the 150
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> but they are mad fast
[12:08] <autoscum> :p
[12:08] <kenro> Anyone have suggestions for the best panel applet power manager?
[12:08] <XVampireX> I know
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> if you have a quad core, you owe it to yourself
[12:08] <autoscum> okay, so that's it
[12:08] <XVampireX> I'm having the Sata2 in RAID too
[12:08] <autoscum> im goin to instal 6.10 now
[12:08] <autoscum> install
[12:09] <RawSewage> good willpower
[12:09] <autoscum> if you guys are still here in 30 minutes
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> kenro: guidance!
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: RAID0?
[12:09] <autoscum> i'll report :)
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> autoscum: we will
[12:09] <autoscum> kk, later :)
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> hey.. report while you are installing!
[12:09] <nosrednaekim> :-D
[12:09] <autoscum> xD
[12:09] <autoscum> later :P
[12:09] <XVampireX> nosrednaekim: I think, yeah.
[12:10] <nosrednaekim> that should be pretty fast,
[12:10] <XVampireX> Yes
[12:10] <nosrednaekim> XD
[12:10] <XVampireX> so isn't that a super PC? :D
[12:10] <kenro> nosrednaekim, That's a pkg?
[12:10] <XVampireX> I already bought it just waiting it to be ready
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> kenro: package?
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: oh yeah.!
[12:11] <kenro> nosrednaekim,  I asked for a pkg.
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> WHAT NOW?
[12:11] <autoscum> uh...
[12:11] <XVampireX> who said they have gutsy gibbon installed?
[12:11] <autoscum> its not bootable
[12:11] <autoscum> lol
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> kenro: for what?
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> XVampireX: just a test release
[12:11] <kenro> Anyone have suggestions for the best panel applet power manager?
[12:11] <XVampireX> Would love to know what the major changes
[12:12] <XVampireX> that could be seen
[12:12] <nosrednaekim> kenro: guidance-power0manager is the default powermanager
[12:13] <carrot_> How can I install flash for firefox on my 64bit machine?
[12:13] <nosrednaekim> carrot_: nspluginwrapper
[12:13] <kenro> nosrednaekim, OK, but does it have a qtsey little icon monitoring the battery power leel?
[12:13] <kenro> s/leel/level