[01:49] <pwnguin> someone suggested using a /boot partition to manage a dual boot between gutsy and feisty
[01:49] <pwnguin> how do i get automagic grub configuring to work with that?
[01:50] <johnnybuoy> it should "just" work
[01:50] <pwnguin> what?
[01:50] <pwnguin> how?
[01:50] <johnnybuoy> it finds the kernels and params them with default kernel opts specified in menu.lst
[01:50] <johnnybuoy> when you install a new kernel
[01:51] <pwnguin> the challenge i think is when you have kernel updates from one system, then the other
[01:51] <johnnybuoy> why?
[01:52] <pwnguin> i guess im not sure exactly what the kernel installer does to menu.lst
[01:52] <pwnguin> but i suspect it redoes that
[01:52] <johnnybuoy> yes
[01:52] <pwnguin> how does it know about kernels the other partition has?
[01:52] <johnnybuoy> but if all your kernels are on /boot it *should* work
[01:52] <pwnguin> hmm
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> that's the point of a /boot partition
[01:53] <pwnguin> johnnybuoy: is this something you've done before?
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> then that partition gets mounted as /boot on both systems
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> yes
[01:53] <pwnguin> i figured the point of a /boot partition was that some FS can't be used as root
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> actually, I just did it with a fedora test system
[01:53] <pwnguin> ok, that eases my concerns a bit
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> BUT
[01:54] <johnnybuoy> the latest kernel will be booted as default if you don't set a savedefault option in menu.lst
[01:55] <pwnguin> i figured it looked at the list of installed kernel packages, and since they've got different kernels, they'd fight. but if it's parsing /boot itself
[01:57] <johnnybuoy> yes, it scans the /boot directory
[01:57] <johnnybuoy> but if you use different boot options for the different systems, it gets harder ;)
[01:57] <pwnguin> i dont think i do
[01:58] <pwnguin> just running gutsy and feisty on a laptop
[01:59] <johnnybuoy> yeah, it should work
[01:59] <johnnybuoy> but as I said, the default will be gutsy
[01:59] <pwnguin> thats what it is now
[01:59] <johnnybuoy> I haven't been able to use the savedefault option, which should help...
[01:59] <pwnguin> because it's newer?
[01:59] <johnnybuoy> yep
[02:00] <johnnybuoy> newer = higher kernel version
[02:00] <pwnguin> or higher version, whatever
[02:00] <johnnybuoy> :)
[02:00] <johnnybuoy> yep
[02:01] <pwnguin> hmm. guess its time to resize partitions again
[02:01] <johnnybuoy> hah
[02:01] <johnnybuoy> that's fun
[02:02] <johnnybuoy> I hate partitions
[02:02] <johnnybuoy> lvm is nice
[02:02] <johnnybuoy> but I haven't yet had time to fool with it
[02:02] <pwnguin> is there any requirement in linux regarding logical vs primary?
[02:02] <johnnybuoy> no
[02:02] <johnnybuoy> none
[02:02] <johnnybuoy> even /boot can be a logical partition
[02:02] <pwnguin> ok
[02:02] <pwnguin> it'll be tons of fun merging those two
[02:03] <johnnybuoy> hah
[02:03] <johnnybuoy> working with PC partitions is always fun
[02:03] <johnnybuoy> don't forget to backup ;)
[02:03] <pwnguin> it's all ext3
[02:03] <pwnguin> except for windows, which i wont be touching
[02:03] <pwnguin> and ive already backed up before last time ;)
[02:04] <johnnybuoy> yeah, right
[02:04] <johnnybuoy> there is a nice tool also
[02:04] <johnnybuoy> I can't remember the name, but it rescued me from a b0rked partition table problem
[02:23] <gnomefreak> AnRkey: casper is the installer
[02:47] <AnRkey> gnomefreak, sorry being a special person again
[02:58] <AnRkey> gnomefreak, Thanks, I found the launchpad project and the devs
[05:32] <vlowther> tritium: might be worth a go, unless you are concerned about someone sitting there waiting to crack your WEP key. :)
[05:34] <crimsun> tritium: does wpasupplicant itself work?
[05:35] <crimsun> I gave up on NM a couple Ubuntu releases ago and haven't bothered to try it again
[05:41] <vlowther> crimsun: nm has worked fine for me in Feisty and Gutsy
[05:41] <vlowther> modulo recent package breakage. :)
[05:43] <crimsun> 23:34 < crimsun> tritium: does wpasupplicant itself work?
[05:43] <crimsun> 23:34 -!- snax [n=snax@c-24-17-192-192.hsd1.wa.comcast.net]  has joined #ubuntu+1
[05:43] <crimsun> 23:35 < crimsun> I gave up on NM a couple Ubuntu releases ago and haven't
[05:43] <crimsun>                  bothered to try it again
[05:43] <tritium> thanks, crimsun.  I've not tried it by itself.  You're right.  I should...
[05:44] <crimsun> I prefer the interfaces(5) semantics
[05:44] <crimsun> happy to walk you through it if you need assistance
[05:45] <tritium> Thanks, crimsun.  I'll give it a try on my own first.  It would be good to know.
[05:46] <crimsun> tritium: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz will be helpful
[05:47] <tritium> crimsun: okay, thanks!
[05:48] <tritium> I've ordered a new DSL modem that's on its way.  This will be a good opportunity to setup wpa.
[05:49] <crimsun> I use "WPA2 Personal" (AES)
[05:50] <tritium> Then I think I'll try that too.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> mmm...network mangler...
[06:05] <vlowther> I would make it the only method available, but I have this old laptop that uses an Orinoco chipset...
[06:06] <vlowther> which my wife managed to dig up a driver for that made it talk WPA-PSK+TKIP
[06:06] <vlowther> it is one of those tiny Transmeta-based sharp boxes
[06:07] <vlowther> and the sheer cuteness made me degrade local wireless security.
[06:19] <DanaG> You know what I think will be cool about Intel Turbo Memory?  Having an extra Mini-PCIe slot.
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[06:57] <corevette> does anyone know why a 'sudo update-menus' doesn't work on gutsy?
[08:09] <DanaG> Hmm, http://product.cowon.com/product/product_Q5_feature.php
[08:45] <corevette> Is anyone else not able to change the background it Gutsy?
[08:46] <crimsun> (nautilus:16308): Eel-WARNING **: Error starting command 'gnome-appearance-properties '--show-page=background'': Failed to execute child process "gnome-appearance-properties" (No such file or directory)
[08:46] <crimsun> if you read `tail ~/.xsession-errors`, that's what you'll see
[03:43] <bonbonthejon> why is adept trying to be removed in the latest bunch of updates?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> libapt stuff.  known.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> (api bump)
[03:55] <bonbonthejon> Hobbsee: ok, any idea when this will be fixed?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> bonbonthejon: soon
[03:55] <bonbonthejon> ok
[03:56] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: did mvo ever get back to anyone on what was wrong?
[03:56] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: adept and debtags both FTB
[03:56] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no idea
[03:56] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: manchicken's talking about it in k-d
[03:56] <Hobbsee> yeah.  it is.  always is.
[03:56] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ok ty ill get with him on it
[03:56] <gnomefreak> they are apt errors
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:57] <manchicken> I'm not talking about adept being removed...
[03:57] <manchicken> I'm talking about dependency issues.
[03:57] <gnomefreak> manchicken: i know
[03:57] <gnomefreak> bonbonthejon: was
[03:58] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[04:12] <shirish> guys, is anybody able to install libboost-date-time1.33.1 ?
[04:13] <masquerade> shirish, no here
[04:14] <shirish> masquerade: does it say that the package is a virtual package?
[04:14] <shirish> masquerade: for it says that at my end, just confirming before I file a bug
[04:14] <masquerade> Package libboost-date-time1.33.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:15] <shirish> ok
[04:15] <shirish> what about libboost-filesystem1.33.1 same ?
[04:15] <shirish> and libboost-regex1.33.1
[04:16] <masquerade> yep, all the same
[04:16] <masquerade> I'm gonna guess and say 1.34.0 obsoleted them
[04:17] <Hobbsee> that's correct
[04:17] <Hobbsee> libboost is just stuffed though.
[04:18] <shirish> ah ok
[04:18] <shirish> Hobbsee: what does stuffed means here?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> broken
[04:19] <Hobbsee> there's a bug in debian about it
[04:19] <shirish> ah thank you
[04:19] <Hobbsee> "it's stuffed" - technical term.
[04:19] <shirish> aha, do you have a link
[04:19] <shirish> sorry, not technical enough
[04:19] <shirish> meaning I'm not technical enough to know that
[04:20] <Hobbsee> no
[04:20] <Hobbsee> not on me
[04:20] <shirish> ah ok, lemme see if I can find it
[04:29] <gnomefreak> theres a bug report on it and read the build-deps that i posted to it
[04:29] <gnomefreak> 1.34.0is the version in gutsy
[04:29] <gnomefreak> how is that obsolete?
[04:34] <shirish> gnomefreak: I was asking about 1.33.1
[04:34] <shirish> I didn't know there was a 1.34.0 sorry
[06:24] <shirish> guys I have a crash file, which I want to file upstream, I know the crash file can be extracted but don't know how, anybody knows?
[08:12] <pwnguin> is it feasible to dist-upgrade from a tribe CD?
[08:24] <coNP> anyone using tilda?
[08:24] <coNP> with latest libvte?
[09:20] <corevette> Is since Compiz Fusion runs on XGL or AIGLX, what is Gutsy going to run?
[09:29] <PriceChild> corevette, compiz "fusion"?
[09:29] <crdlb> PriceChild, compcomm's new name
[09:29] <PriceChild> crdlb, never saw that coming :)
[09:29] <corevette> what he said
[09:29] <PriceChild> corevette, compiz fusion is just compiz... so it works on the same?
[09:30] <crdlb> well Amaranth said something about gutsy possibly going with Xgl
[09:30] <PriceChild> by default?
[09:30] <PriceChild> ohhhhh that....
[09:30] <PriceChild> that was very scary ideas...
[09:30] <corevette> PriceChild: compix merged with beryl a while ago
[09:30] <PriceChild> I remember them talking about it UDS
[09:30] <PriceChild> corevette, "merged" in inverted brackets
[09:31] <corevette> crdlb, PriceChild: Compiz Fusion works with XGL and AIGLX
[09:31] <corevette> PriceChild: For us ATI users, XGL is our only option
[09:31] <crdlb> yes indeed it does
[09:31] <PriceChild> I know...?
[09:31] <PriceChild> and no
[09:31] <PriceChild> many ati users get to use aiglx
[09:31] <crdlb> like me :D
[09:32] <coNP> how can you use that?
[09:32] <crdlb> because I have an old card supported by the free driver
[09:32] <coNP> wow, I might try free driver some day
[09:32] <corevette> ATI's newer cards don't support AIGLX
[09:36] <DanaG> Compiz Fusion?  I don't like that name.
[09:36] <DanaG> But so be it.
[09:37] <DanaG> And what about "Compiz" -- I know "comp" is for "composit{e,ing}", but what is "iz"?
[09:41] <hwilde> anybody have trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot?
[10:01] <hwilde> anybody have trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot?
[10:08] <shirish> guys does anybody know of anything other blogtk to do off-line blogging & then updating to the blog? Maybe with some wordpress space
[10:09] <theunixgeek> where can I get Tribe 1 of Gutsy?
[10:09] <shirish> theunixgeek: hang on
[10:10] <shirish> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/
[10:10] <theunixgeek> thanks
[10:10] <shirish> you're welcome
[10:10] <theunixgeek> my feisty got messed up, so im taking a look at the future of ubuntu ;)
[10:10] <hwilde> heh
[10:11] <shirish> theunixgeek: if you report the problems, then the possibility of less problems being in the newer version
[10:11] <shirish> if problems aren't reported, developers don't come to know
[10:11] <Saviq> hello, is it possible to have a pcmcia prism2 based card working under gutsy?
[10:11] <Saviq> I can
[10:12] <Saviq> can't compile linux-wlan nor hostap
[10:12] <theunixgeek> wats new about gutsy? is there a features list?
[10:12] <shirish> there was an announcement sometime back
[10:12] <shirish> the big thing I guess is move to xorg 7.2
[10:12] <theunixgeek> where can i get it?
[10:12] <theunixgeek> that is, the list of features?
[10:13] <shirish> ah , hmmm.... lemme remember
[10:13] <shirish> there was a an e-mail on ubuntu-devel on lists.ubuntu.com
[10:13] <Saviq> http://ubuntu.com/testing
[10:13] <DigitalNinja> Does anyone know the date for the Gutsy release
[10:13] <theunixgeek> ok. il look there
[10:13] <shirish> October something (I think 10th)
[10:13] <hwilde> !gutsy
[10:13] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[10:14] <hwilde> see GutsyReleaseSchedule
[10:14] <DigitalNinja> thanks
[10:14] <Saviq> as the version number says: 7.10 as in 2007 october
[10:14] <Saviq> anything about prism2 support?
[10:15] <theunixgeek> shirish: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html
[10:15] <theunixgeek> the features
[10:15] <shirish> Saviq: perhaps you don't give the the ubuntu.com/testing link
[10:16] <Saviq> well sorry for that - it's always the first place I look for info on testing
[10:18] <shirish> Saviq: that's ok, although that site is broken, I'm posting about it.
[10:18] <shirish> hwilde: any idea when the move to FF3 would be taking place?
[10:18] <Saviq> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe1 well that one works :)
[10:19] <hwilde> shirish, any idea why I'm having trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot?
[10:19] <shirish> Saviq: not the tribe1 place, but the site as such
[10:19] <hwilde> shirish, move to FF3 because of 'unstable' complaints http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1084&Feed=RSS2
[10:19] <shirish> hwilde: no idea m8
[10:19] <theunixgeek> hey how do you change the startup screen?
[10:20] <theunixgeek> u know, the big ubuntu that pops up when u turn the machine on ;)
[10:20] <Saviq> !usplash
[10:20] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[10:20] <theunixgeek> i accidentaly chagned it to ubuntu studio splash :(
[10:20] <hwilde> shirish, have you tried safari it is awesome
[10:20] <theunixgeek> hwilde: its much better on os x
[10:20] <Saviq> ;] 
[10:20] <shirish> hwilde: nope, heard lot of reports of crashing hence haven't tried it
[10:21] <hwilde> me neither
[10:21] <hwilde> I heard it is good in windows tho
[10:21] <hwilde> but I can't even boot right now
[10:21] <theunixgeek> Saviq: THANK YOU!
[10:21] <theunixgeek> THANK YOU!
[10:21] <theunixgeek> THANK YOU!
[10:21] <hwilde> I have 6 USB ports and it loads about 2 or 3 then it assigns the same address to two of them and hangs
[10:21] <theunixgeek> THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!  I FINALLY HAVE THE DEFAULT BACK :d
[10:21] <hwilde> during boot
[10:21] <aguaithefreak> ubuntulog: where to see your log
[10:21] <theunixgeek> *: D
[10:22] <theunixgeek> :D
[10:22] <theunixgeek> :)
[10:22] <theunixgeek> wait, im flooding the channel... sorry
[10:23] <shirish> ubotu paste
[10:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:25] <hwilde> !flood
[10:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:25] <shirish> hwilde: dunno much but did see lot of base packages, esp. hardware driver packages being updated recently, dunno if something in there broke it.
[10:26] <hwilde> shirish, yeah well it's been broke since 2.6.17 - i'm just hoping
[10:26] <shirish> hwilde: your best bet would either be in the forums with the log file attached or in-line or wait for some of the experts
[10:26] <hwilde> shirish, umm on that note how do I capture the log messages on bootup?  they are not in /var/log anywhere
[10:27] <shirish> hwilde: then its an old issue, I have had an issue with hdparm on 2.6.17 onwards, the fix is supposed to be released but no improvement as of yet
[10:27] <shirish> hang on
[10:35] <hwilde> what really blows my mind is that the livecd run just fine, but once installed it hangs on boot loading usb :/
[10:35] <shirish> hwilde: did you try any of the syslog ones in /var/log
[10:36] <hwilde> yeah I booted into the livecd, mounted the hd, and looked through /var/log and I cannot find the usb errors to pastebin them
[10:36] <shirish> hwilde: the /var/log would have logs like syslog etc. in compressed or uncompressed format, you might have to search a bit but eventually you might be able to get something.
[10:36] <shirish> hwilde: for e.g. I'm able to see my syslog pretty easy
[10:36] <hwilde> shirish, looks like that is disabled by default.  I will change and pastebin  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49925
[10:36] <hwilde> /etc/default/bootlogd   BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No
[10:36] <bur[n] er> /wc
[10:36] <bur[n] er> doh ;)
[10:36] <hwilde> it's not much, it's just disabled by default.
[10:39] <shirish> hwilde: there is also a bug which person experience
[10:40] <Saviq> ok I've managed to get it working
[10:40] <Saviq> if someone asks:
[10:40] <Saviq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-wlan-ng/+bug/114793
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114793 in linux-wlan-ng "linux-wlan-ng fails compilation against 2.6.20-15" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:42] <shirish> hwilde: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/98955
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98955 in upstart "logd not running" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:42] <DanaG> Suspend in Gutsy is broken for me.
[10:42] <hwilde> shirish, even with the bootlogd enabled, it does not catch the initial boot messages that I need.   I need low level stuff before rcS and rc2 execution
[10:43] <shirish> hwilde: no idea m8, maybe DanaG can help you, I'm just a simple user/tester
[10:45] <shirish> It's pushing 2 a.m. here guys time to sleep
[10:46] <hwilde> so is there a way to log the initial boot messages, before the rc messages in /var/log/boot ?
[10:46] <Saviq> well apart from that it doesn't build the _cs module it worked grrr
[10:48] <DanaG> I'm also just a tester, though I may sound like a developer sometimes.  :)
[10:50] <theunixgeek> The only difference I found in Gutsy is GParted and Printer Notification in the Applications menu and shorter window borders.... wow, such a change ;)
[10:54] <Dannilion> Hobbsee recommended I get Gutsy. Should I? (I don't mind a broken system :p)
[10:54] <hwilde> !topic
[10:54] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[10:55] <coNP>  /topic
[10:55] <hwilde> hmm
[10:56] <Dannilion> since Hobbsee was the person to set the topic, I guess so
[10:56] <hwilde> how do you make it say the topic
[10:56] <Dannilion> dunno. I just scrolled up
[10:56] <coNP> hwilde: it is okay
[10:56] <coNP> I just put a space accidentally before the slash
[10:57] <hwilde> so i've got multiple usb ports, and it just hangs on boot.  it looks like it is assigning the same address to multiple ports
[11:00] <Saviq> ok then....no prism2 support under gutsy\
[11:00] <Saviq> hostap doesn't build at all
[11:00] <Saviq> linux-wlan-ng does not build the _cs drivers
[11:00] <Saviq> not good
[11:06] <hwilde> Saviq, nobody replied here so you ask in #ubuntu   lol
[11:07] <Saviq> yes, 'cause I found out that the prism2_cs problem is not gutsy-specific
[11:07] <hwilde> yeah neither is mine but I just hope someone here might be working on the fix
[11:07] <hwilde> go atheros
[11:08] <Saviq> yeah well I'll have another card tomorrow, but I just can't believe that I can't get it to work
[11:09] <Saviq> and CONFIG_NET_RADIO disabled in the kernel? it's probably something obsolete and hostap-source is not up-to-date with that
[11:31] <crimsun> christ, what happened today?  NM exploded, bcm43xx exploded, ntfs-3g exploded...
[11:36] <crimsun> mm, "compact" in lilo.conf is causing a race condition on my machine, and thus sda -> sdc.  No wonder ntfs-3g exploded.