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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released
=== Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 7 16:48:35 2007
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pwnguinsomeone suggested using a /boot partition to manage a dual boot between gutsy and feisty01:49
pwnguinhow do i get automagic grub configuring to work with that?01:49
johnnybuoyit should "just" work01:50
pwnguinwhat?01:50
pwnguinhow?01:50
johnnybuoyit finds the kernels and params them with default kernel opts specified in menu.lst01:50
johnnybuoywhen you install a new kernel01:50
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pwnguinthe challenge i think is when you have kernel updates from one system, then the other01:51
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johnnybuoywhy?01:51
pwnguini guess im not sure exactly what the kernel installer does to menu.lst01:52
pwnguinbut i suspect it redoes that01:52
johnnybuoyyes01:52
pwnguinhow does it know about kernels the other partition has?01:52
johnnybuoybut if all your kernels are on /boot it *should* work01:52
pwnguinhmm01:52
johnnybuoythat's the point of a /boot partition01:53
pwnguinjohnnybuoy: is this something you've done before?01:53
johnnybuoythen that partition gets mounted as /boot on both systems01:53
johnnybuoyyes01:53
pwnguini figured the point of a /boot partition was that some FS can't be used as root01:53
johnnybuoyactually, I just did it with a fedora test system01:53
pwnguinok, that eases my concerns a bit01:53
johnnybuoyBUT01:53
johnnybuoythe latest kernel will be booted as default if you don't set a savedefault option in menu.lst01:54
pwnguini figured it looked at the list of installed kernel packages, and since they've got different kernels, they'd fight. but if it's parsing /boot itself01:55
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johnnybuoyyes, it scans the /boot directory01:57
johnnybuoybut if you use different boot options for the different systems, it gets harder ;)01:57
pwnguini dont think i do01:57
pwnguinjust running gutsy and feisty on a laptop01:58
johnnybuoyyeah, it should work01:59
johnnybuoybut as I said, the default will be gutsy01:59
pwnguinthats what it is now01:59
johnnybuoyI haven't been able to use the savedefault option, which should help...01:59
pwnguinbecause it's newer?01:59
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johnnybuoyyep01:59
johnnybuoynewer = higher kernel version02:00
pwnguinor higher version, whatever02:00
johnnybuoy:)02:00
johnnybuoyyep02:00
pwnguinhmm. guess its time to resize partitions again02:01
johnnybuoyhah02:01
johnnybuoythat's fun02:01
johnnybuoyI hate partitions02:02
johnnybuoylvm is nice02:02
johnnybuoybut I haven't yet had time to fool with it02:02
pwnguinis there any requirement in linux regarding logical vs primary?02:02
johnnybuoyno02:02
johnnybuoynone02:02
johnnybuoyeven /boot can be a logical partition02:02
pwnguinok02:02
pwnguinit'll be tons of fun merging those two02:02
johnnybuoyhah02:03
johnnybuoyworking with PC partitions is always fun02:03
johnnybuoydon't forget to backup ;)02:03
pwnguinit's all ext302:03
pwnguinexcept for windows, which i wont be touching02:03
pwnguinand ive already backed up before last time ;)02:03
johnnybuoyyeah, right02:04
johnnybuoythere is a nice tool also02:04
johnnybuoyI can't remember the name, but it rescued me from a b0rked partition table problem02:04
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gnomefreakAnRkey: casper is the installer02:23
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AnRkeygnomefreak, sorry being a special person again02:47
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AnRkeygnomefreak, Thanks, I found the launchpad project and the devs02:58
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released
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vlowthertritium: might be worth a go, unless you are concerned about someone sitting there waiting to crack your WEP key. :)05:32
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crimsuntritium: does wpasupplicant itself work?05:34
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crimsunI gave up on NM a couple Ubuntu releases ago and haven't bothered to try it again05:35
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vlowthercrimsun: nm has worked fine for me in Feisty and Gutsy05:41
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vlowthermodulo recent package breakage. :)05:41
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crimsun23:34 < crimsun> tritium: does wpasupplicant itself work?05:43
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crimsun23:35 < crimsun> I gave up on NM a couple Ubuntu releases ago and haven't05:43
crimsun                 bothered to try it again05:43
tritiumthanks, crimsun.  I've not tried it by itself.  You're right.  I should...05:43
crimsunI prefer the interfaces(5) semantics05:44
crimsunhappy to walk you through it if you need assistance05:44
tritiumThanks, crimsun.  I'll give it a try on my own first.  It would be good to know.05:45
crimsuntritium: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz will be helpful05:46
tritiumcrimsun: okay, thanks!05:47
tritiumI've ordered a new DSL modem that's on its way.  This will be a good opportunity to setup wpa.05:48
crimsunI use "WPA2 Personal" (AES)05:49
tritiumThen I think I'll try that too.05:50
Hobbseemmm...network mangler...05:55
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vlowtherI would make it the only method available, but I have this old laptop that uses an Orinoco chipset...06:05
vlowtherwhich my wife managed to dig up a driver for that made it talk WPA-PSK+TKIP06:06
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vlowtherit is one of those tiny Transmeta-based sharp boxes06:06
vlowtherand the sheer cuteness made me degrade local wireless security.06:07
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DanaGYou know what I think will be cool about Intel Turbo Memory?  Having an extra Mini-PCIe slot.06:19
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released
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corevettedoes anyone know why a 'sudo update-menus' doesn't work on gutsy?06:57
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DanaGHmm, http://product.cowon.com/product/product_Q5_feature.php08:09
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corevetteIs anyone else not able to change the background it Gutsy?08:45
crimsun(nautilus:16308): Eel-WARNING **: Error starting command 'gnome-appearance-properties '--show-page=background'': Failed to execute child process "gnome-appearance-properties" (No such file or directory)08:46
crimsunif you read `tail ~/.xsession-errors`, that's what you'll see08:46
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bonbonthejonwhy is adept trying to be removed in the latest bunch of updates?03:43
Hobbseelibapt stuff.  known.03:49
Hobbsee(api bump)03:49
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bonbonthejonHobbsee: ok, any idea when this will be fixed?03:55
Hobbseebonbonthejon: soon03:55
bonbonthejonok03:55
gnomefreakHobbsee: did mvo ever get back to anyone on what was wrong?03:56
gnomefreakHobbsee: adept and debtags both FTB03:56
Hobbseegnomefreak: no idea03:56
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Hobbseegnomefreak: manchicken's talking about it in k-d03:56
Hobbseeyeah.  it is.  always is.03:56
gnomefreakHobbsee: ok ty ill get with him on it03:56
gnomefreakthey are apt errors03:56
Hobbseeyes03:57
manchickenI'm not talking about adept being removed...03:57
manchickenI'm talking about dependency issues.03:57
gnomefreakmanchicken: i know03:57
gnomefreakbonbonthejon: was03:57
manchickenGotcha.03:58
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shirishguys, is anybody able to install libboost-date-time1.33.1 ?04:12
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masqueradeshirish, no here04:13
shirishmasquerade: does it say that the package is a virtual package?04:14
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shirishmasquerade: for it says that at my end, just confirming before I file a bug04:14
masqueradePackage libboost-date-time1.33.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.04:14
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shirishok04:15
shirishwhat about libboost-filesystem1.33.1 same ?04:15
shirishand libboost-regex1.33.104:15
masqueradeyep, all the same04:16
masqueradeI'm gonna guess and say 1.34.0 obsoleted them04:16
Hobbseethat's correct04:17
Hobbseelibboost is just stuffed though.04:17
shirishah ok04:18
shirishHobbsee: what does stuffed means here?04:18
Hobbseebroken04:18
Hobbseethere's a bug in debian about it04:19
shirishah thank you04:19
Hobbsee"it's stuffed" - technical term.04:19
shirishaha, do you have a link04:19
shirishsorry, not technical enough04:19
shirishmeaning I'm not technical enough to know that04:19
Hobbseeno04:20
Hobbseenot on me04:20
shirishah ok, lemme see if I can find it04:20
gnomefreaktheres a bug report on it and read the build-deps that i posted to it04:29
gnomefreak1.34.0is the version in gutsy04:29
gnomefreakhow is that obsolete?04:29
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shirishgnomefreak: I was asking about 1.33.104:34
shirishI didn't know there was a 1.34.0 sorry04:34
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shirishguys I have a crash file, which I want to file upstream, I know the crash file can be extracted but don't know how, anybody knows?06:24
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pwnguinis it feasible to dist-upgrade from a tribe CD?08:12
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coNPanyone using tilda?08:24
coNPwith latest libvte?08:24
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corevetteIs since Compiz Fusion runs on XGL or AIGLX, what is Gutsy going to run?09:20
PriceChildcorevette, compiz "fusion"?09:29
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crdlbPriceChild, compcomm's new name09:29
PriceChildcrdlb, never saw that coming :)09:29
corevettewhat he said09:29
PriceChildcorevette, compiz fusion is just compiz... so it works on the same?09:29
crdlbwell Amaranth said something about gutsy possibly going with Xgl09:30
PriceChildby default?09:30
PriceChildohhhhh that....09:30
PriceChildthat was very scary ideas...09:30
corevettePriceChild: compix merged with beryl a while ago09:30
PriceChildI remember them talking about it UDS09:30
PriceChildcorevette, "merged" in inverted brackets09:30
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corevettecrdlb, PriceChild: Compiz Fusion works with XGL and AIGLX09:31
corevettePriceChild: For us ATI users, XGL is our only option09:31
crdlbyes indeed it does09:31
PriceChildI know...?09:31
PriceChildand no09:31
PriceChildmany ati users get to use aiglx09:31
crdlblike me :D09:31
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coNPhow can you use that?09:32
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crdlbbecause I have an old card supported by the free driver09:32
coNPwow, I might try free driver some day09:32
corevetteATI's newer cards don't support AIGLX09:32
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DanaGCompiz Fusion?  I don't like that name.09:36
DanaGBut so be it.09:36
DanaGAnd what about "Compiz" -- I know "comp" is for "composit{e,ing}", but what is "iz"?09:37
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hwildeanybody have trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot?09:41
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hwildeanybody have trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot?10:01
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shirishguys does anybody know of anything other blogtk to do off-line blogging & then updating to the blog? Maybe with some wordpress space10:08
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theunixgeekwhere can I get Tribe 1 of Gutsy?10:09
shirishtheunixgeek: hang on10:09
shirishhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/10:10
theunixgeekthanks10:10
shirishyou're welcome10:10
theunixgeekmy feisty got messed up, so im taking a look at the future of ubuntu ;)10:10
hwildeheh10:10
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shirishtheunixgeek: if you report the problems, then the possibility of less problems being in the newer version10:11
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shirishif problems aren't reported, developers don't come to know10:11
Saviqhello, is it possible to have a pcmcia prism2 based card working under gutsy?10:11
SaviqI can10:11
Saviqcan't compile linux-wlan nor hostap10:12
theunixgeekwats new about gutsy? is there a features list?10:12
shirishthere was an announcement sometime back10:12
shirishthe big thing I guess is move to xorg 7.210:12
theunixgeekwhere can i get it?10:12
theunixgeekthat is, the list of features?10:12
shirishah , hmmm.... lemme remember10:13
shirishthere was a an e-mail on ubuntu-devel on lists.ubuntu.com10:13
Saviqhttp://ubuntu.com/testing10:13
DigitalNinjaDoes anyone know the date for the Gutsy release10:13
theunixgeekok. il look there10:13
shirishOctober something (I think 10th)10:13
hwilde!gutsy10:13
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+110:13
hwildesee GutsyReleaseSchedule10:14
DigitalNinjathanks10:14
Saviqas the version number says: 7.10 as in 2007 october10:14
Saviqanything about prism2 support?10:14
theunixgeekshirish: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html10:15
theunixgeekthe features10:15
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shirishSaviq: perhaps you don't give the the ubuntu.com/testing link10:15
Saviqwell sorry for that - it's always the first place I look for info on testing10:16
shirishSaviq: that's ok, although that site is broken, I'm posting about it.10:18
shirishhwilde: any idea when the move to FF3 would be taking place?10:18
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Saviqhttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe1 well that one works :)10:18
hwildeshirish, any idea why I'm having trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot?10:19
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shirishSaviq: not the tribe1 place, but the site as such10:19
hwildeshirish, move to FF3 because of 'unstable' complaints http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1084&Feed=RSS210:19
shirishhwilde: no idea m810:19
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theunixgeekhey how do you change the startup screen?10:19
theunixgeeku know, the big ubuntu that pops up when u turn the machine on ;)10:20
Saviq!usplash10:20
ubotuTo select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork10:20
theunixgeeki accidentaly chagned it to ubuntu studio splash :(10:20
hwildeshirish, have you tried safari it is awesome10:20
theunixgeekhwilde: its much better on os x10:20
Saviq;] 10:20
shirishhwilde: nope, heard lot of reports of crashing hence haven't tried it10:20
hwildeme neither10:21
hwildeI heard it is good in windows tho10:21
hwildebut I can't even boot right now10:21
theunixgeekSaviq: THANK YOU!10:21
theunixgeekTHANK YOU!10:21
theunixgeekTHANK YOU!10:21
hwildeI have 6 USB ports and it loads about 2 or 3 then it assigns the same address to two of them and hangs10:21
theunixgeekTHANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!  I FINALLY HAVE THE DEFAULT BACK :d10:21
hwildeduring boot10:21
aguaithefreakubuntulog: where to see your log10:21
theunixgeek*: D10:21
theunixgeek:D10:22
theunixgeek:)10:22
theunixgeekwait, im flooding the channel... sorry10:22
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shirishubotu paste10:23
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:23
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hwilde!flood10:25
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:25
shirishhwilde: dunno much but did see lot of base packages, esp. hardware driver packages being updated recently, dunno if something in there broke it.10:25
hwildeshirish, yeah well it's been broke since 2.6.17 - i'm just hoping10:26
shirishhwilde: your best bet would either be in the forums with the log file attached or in-line or wait for some of the experts10:26
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hwildeshirish, umm on that note how do I capture the log messages on bootup?  they are not in /var/log anywhere10:26
shirishhwilde: then its an old issue, I have had an issue with hdparm on 2.6.17 onwards, the fix is supposed to be released but no improvement as of yet10:27
shirishhang on10:27
hwildewhat really blows my mind is that the livecd run just fine, but once installed it hangs on boot loading usb :/10:35
shirishhwilde: did you try any of the syslog ones in /var/log10:35
hwildeyeah I booted into the livecd, mounted the hd, and looked through /var/log and I cannot find the usb errors to pastebin them10:36
shirishhwilde: the /var/log would have logs like syslog etc. in compressed or uncompressed format, you might have to search a bit but eventually you might be able to get something.10:36
shirishhwilde: for e.g. I'm able to see my syslog pretty easy10:36
hwildeshirish, looks like that is disabled by default.  I will change and pastebin  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4992510:36
hwilde/etc/default/bootlogd   BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No10:36
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bur[n] er/wc10:36
bur[n] erdoh ;)10:36
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hwildeit's not much, it's just disabled by default.10:36
shirishhwilde: there is also a bug which person experience10:39
Saviqok I've managed to get it working10:40
Saviqif someone asks:10:40
Saviqhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-wlan-ng/+bug/11479310:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114793 in linux-wlan-ng "linux-wlan-ng fails compilation against 2.6.20-15" [Undecided,Confirmed] 10:40
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shirishhwilde: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/9895510:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98955 in upstart "logd not running" [Medium,Confirmed] 10:42
DanaGSuspend in Gutsy is broken for me.10:42
hwildeshirish, even with the bootlogd enabled, it does not catch the initial boot messages that I need.   I need low level stuff before rcS and rc2 execution10:42
shirishhwilde: no idea m8, maybe DanaG can help you, I'm just a simple user/tester10:43
shirishIt's pushing 2 a.m. here guys time to sleep10:45
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hwildeso is there a way to log the initial boot messages, before the rc messages in /var/log/boot ?10:46
Saviqwell apart from that it doesn't build the _cs module it worked grrr10:46
DanaGI'm also just a tester, though I may sound like a developer sometimes.  :)10:48
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theunixgeekThe only difference I found in Gutsy is GParted and Printer Notification in the Applications menu and shorter window borders.... wow, such a change ;)10:50
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DannilionHobbsee recommended I get Gutsy. Should I? (I don't mind a broken system :p)10:54
hwilde!topic10:54
ubotuPlease read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic10:54
coNP /topic10:55
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hwildehmm10:55
Dannilionsince Hobbsee was the person to set the topic, I guess so10:56
hwildehow do you make it say the topic10:56
Danniliondunno. I just scrolled up10:56
coNPhwilde: it is okay10:56
coNPI just put a space accidentally before the slash10:56
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hwildeso i've got multiple usb ports, and it just hangs on boot.  it looks like it is assigning the same address to multiple ports10:57
Saviqok then....no prism2 support under gutsy\11:00
Saviqhostap doesn't build at all11:00
Saviqlinux-wlan-ng does not build the _cs drivers11:00
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Saviqnot good11:00
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hwildeSaviq, nobody replied here so you ask in #ubuntu   lol11:06
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Saviqyes, 'cause I found out that the prism2_cs problem is not gutsy-specific11:07
hwildeyeah neither is mine but I just hope someone here might be working on the fix11:07
hwildego atheros11:07
Saviqyeah well I'll have another card tomorrow, but I just can't believe that I can't get it to work11:08
Saviqand CONFIG_NET_RADIO disabled in the kernel? it's probably something obsolete and hostap-source is not up-to-date with that11:09
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crimsunchrist, what happened today?  NM exploded, bcm43xx exploded, ntfs-3g exploded...11:31
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crimsunmm, "compact" in lilo.conf is causing a race condition on my machine, and thus sda -> sdc.  No wonder ntfs-3g exploded.11:36
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