=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 7 16:48:35 2007 === #ubuntu+1 [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-24-5-168-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:49] someone suggested using a /boot partition to manage a dual boot between gutsy and feisty [01:49] how do i get automagic grub configuring to work with that? [01:50] it should "just" work [01:50] what? [01:50] how? [01:50] it finds the kernels and params them with default kernel opts specified in menu.lst [01:50] when you install a new kernel === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:51] the challenge i think is when you have kernel updates from one system, then the other === bkudria [i=foobar@mcha-aa-74-209-16-5.taconic.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bkudria [i=foobar@mcha-aa-74-209-16-5.taconic.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] [01:51] why? [01:52] i guess im not sure exactly what the kernel installer does to menu.lst [01:52] but i suspect it redoes that [01:52] yes [01:52] how does it know about kernels the other partition has? [01:52] but if all your kernels are on /boot it *should* work [01:52] hmm [01:53] that's the point of a /boot partition [01:53] johnnybuoy: is this something you've done before? [01:53] then that partition gets mounted as /boot on both systems [01:53] yes [01:53] i figured the point of a /boot partition was that some FS can't be used as root [01:53] actually, I just did it with a fedora test system [01:53] ok, that eases my concerns a bit [01:53] BUT [01:54] the latest kernel will be booted as default if you don't set a savedefault option in menu.lst [01:55] i figured it looked at the list of installed kernel packages, and since they've got different kernels, they'd fight. but if it's parsing /boot itself === Amaranth__ [n=travis@69.92.98.255] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:57] yes, it scans the /boot directory [01:57] but if you use different boot options for the different systems, it gets harder ;) [01:57] i dont think i do [01:58] just running gutsy and feisty on a laptop [01:59] yeah, it should work [01:59] but as I said, the default will be gutsy [01:59] thats what it is now [01:59] I haven't been able to use the savedefault option, which should help... [01:59] because it's newer? === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:59] yep [02:00] newer = higher kernel version [02:00] or higher version, whatever [02:00] :) [02:00] yep [02:01] hmm. guess its time to resize partitions again [02:01] hah [02:01] that's fun [02:02] I hate partitions [02:02] lvm is nice [02:02] but I haven't yet had time to fool with it [02:02] is there any requirement in linux regarding logical vs primary? [02:02] no [02:02] none [02:02] even /boot can be a logical partition [02:02] ok [02:02] it'll be tons of fun merging those two [02:03] hah [02:03] working with PC partitions is always fun [02:03] don't forget to backup ;) [02:03] it's all ext3 [02:03] except for windows, which i wont be touching [02:03] and ive already backed up before last time ;) [02:04] yeah, right [02:04] there is a nice tool also [02:04] I can't remember the name, but it rescued me from a b0rked partition table problem === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kunwon1 [n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === MetaBot [n=metabot@unaffiliated/ljl/bot/metabot] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thomax__ [n=thomas@217-148-245-213.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === KennethP [n=kpo@x1-6-00-0f-b5-65-5a-c3.k324.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:23] AnRkey: casper is the installer === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-66-139-196-107.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:47] gnomefreak, sorry being a special person again === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === joetheodd_ [i=joe@ACA7DD12.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] gnomefreak, Thanks, I found the launchpad project and the devs === blenderhead__ [n=blenderh@adsl-80-248-125.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === SEOmoz [n=SEOmoz@unaffiliated/seomoz] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 7 16:48:35 2007 === #ubuntu+1 [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.192.195] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF1937.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Pumpernickle is now known as Pumpernickel === os2mac [n=jim@114-41-178-69.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === os2mac [n=jim@114-41-178-69.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dannilionz [n=danni@149.254.200.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:32] tritium: might be worth a go, unless you are concerned about someone sitting there waiting to crack your WEP key. :) === Tigge [n=tigge@bacchus.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:34] tritium: does wpasupplicant itself work? === snax [n=snax@c-24-17-192-192.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:35] I gave up on NM a couple Ubuntu releases ago and haven't bothered to try it again === talon223 [n=talon223@r74-192-227-130.lfkncmta01.lfkntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === edgy [n=edgy@89.5.87.7] has joined #ubuntu+1 === talon223 [n=talon223@r74-192-227-130.lfkncmta01.lfkntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:41] crimsun: nm has worked fine for me in Feisty and Gutsy === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:41] modulo recent package breakage. :) === tritium lagged so badly, he wonders what he missed... === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.192.195] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:43] 23:34 < crimsun> tritium: does wpasupplicant itself work? [05:43] 23:34 -!- snax [n=snax@c-24-17-192-192.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:43] 23:35 < crimsun> I gave up on NM a couple Ubuntu releases ago and haven't [05:43] bothered to try it again [05:43] thanks, crimsun. I've not tried it by itself. You're right. I should... [05:44] I prefer the interfaces(5) semantics [05:44] happy to walk you through it if you need assistance [05:45] Thanks, crimsun. I'll give it a try on my own first. It would be good to know. [05:46] tritium: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz will be helpful [05:47] crimsun: okay, thanks! [05:48] I've ordered a new DSL modem that's on its way. This will be a good opportunity to setup wpa. [05:49] I use "WPA2 Personal" (AES) [05:50] Then I think I'll try that too. [05:55] mmm...network mangler... === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu+1 === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dannilionz [n=danni@149.254.200.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 === SmrtJustin [n=SmrtJust@72.241.32.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vlowther is a fan of WPA2 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.214.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:05] I would make it the only method available, but I have this old laptop that uses an Orinoco chipset... [06:06] which my wife managed to dig up a driver for that made it talk WPA-PSK+TKIP === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p5B15EC64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:06] it is one of those tiny Transmeta-based sharp boxes [06:07] and the sheer cuteness made me degrade local wireless security. === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.192.195] has joined #ubuntu+1 === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eobanb [n=eoban@CPE-72-128-87-129.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:19] You know what I think will be cool about Intel Turbo Memory? Having an extra Mini-PCIe slot. === Dannilionz [n=danni@149.254.200.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu+1.log [06:35] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You do not have channel operator access to [#ubuntu-boot] [06:35] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support) [06:35] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to #ubuntu-ops - Home of the operators for official K/X/Ed/Ubuntu channels. Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here" === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like. Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 1 released === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jun 7 16:48:35 2007 [06:35] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! === makuseru [n=max@210.113.40.24.aeneasdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] e1 [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] e1 [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.192.195] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dannilionz [n=danni@149.254.192.195] has joined #ubuntu+1 === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-35-79-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:57] does anyone know why a 'sudo update-menus' doesn't work on gutsy? === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5D304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === os2mac [n=jim@114-41-178-69.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@124-168-77-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === edgy [n=edgy@89.5.87.7] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088655C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sdgreen [n=sdgreen@S0106000d88f15d27.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-212-242.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:09] Hmm, http://product.cowon.com/product/product_Q5_feature.php === DanaG wants to see Linux on that thingy. === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-186-9-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-35-79-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:45] Is anyone else not able to change the background it Gutsy? 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[03:49] libapt stuff. known. [03:49] (api bump) === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:55] Hobbsee: ok, any idea when this will be fixed? [03:55] bonbonthejon: soon [03:55] ok [03:56] Hobbsee: did mvo ever get back to anyone on what was wrong? [03:56] Hobbsee: adept and debtags both FTB [03:56] gnomefreak: no idea === gnomefreak thinks it is libapt that is causing it [03:56] gnomefreak: manchicken's talking about it in k-d [03:56] yeah. it is. always is. [03:56] Hobbsee: ok ty ill get with him on it [03:56] they are apt errors [03:57] yes [03:57] I'm not talking about adept being removed... [03:57] I'm talking about dependency issues. [03:57] manchicken: i know [03:57] bonbonthejon: was [03:58] Gotcha. === os2mac [n=jim@114-41-178-69.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ubuntu_laptop [n=ubuntu_l@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zambezi [i=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.9] has joined #ubuntu+1 === merhojt [n=Jimmy@h62n3c1o885.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:12] guys, is anybody able to install libboost-date-time1.33.1 ? === aguaithefreak [n=aguai@125-225-113-95.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:13] shirish, no here [04:14] masquerade: does it say that the package is a virtual package? === assasukasse [n=agostino@host-84-222-186-91.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:14] masquerade: for it says that at my end, just confirming before I file a bug [04:14] Package libboost-date-time1.33.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package. === merhojt [n=Jimmy@h62n3c1o885.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:15] ok [04:15] what about libboost-filesystem1.33.1 same ? [04:15] and libboost-regex1.33.1 [04:16] yep, all the same [04:16] I'm gonna guess and say 1.34.0 obsoleted them [04:17] that's correct [04:17] libboost is just stuffed though. [04:18] ah ok [04:18] Hobbsee: what does stuffed means here? [04:18] broken [04:19] there's a bug in debian about it [04:19] ah thank you [04:19] "it's stuffed" - technical term. [04:19] aha, do you have a link [04:19] sorry, not technical enough [04:19] meaning I'm not technical enough to know that [04:20] no [04:20] not on me [04:20] ah ok, lemme see if I can find it [04:29] theres a bug report on it and read the build-deps that i posted to it [04:29] 1.34.0is the version in gutsy [04:29] how is that obsolete? === serAphim__ [n=seraphim@e179131245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:34] gnomefreak: I was asking about 1.33.1 [04:34] I didn't know there was a 1.34.0 sorry === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.9] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === r00tintheb0x [n=r00tinth@198.170.183.130] has joined #ubuntu+1 === r00tintheb0x_ [n=r00tinth@198.170.183.130] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Profichilla [n=linuxbox@dslb-082-083-131-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bipolar [n=bflong@216-164-162-138.pa.subnet.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.200.222] has joined #ubuntu+1 === r00tintheb0x [n=king@198.170.183.130] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra [n=zdra@190.237-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MacSlow [i=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RealMurphy [n=hacked@p57B90C79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5D304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra_ [n=zdra@252.33-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _dennis_ [n=dennis@78-20-190-172.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@124-168-77-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LjL [n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === merhojt [n=Jimmy@h62n3c1o885.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === acuster [n=acuster@min31-4-82-240-185-35.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.9] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:24] guys I have a crash file, which I want to file upstream, I know the crash file can be extracted but don't know how, anybody knows? === Mikelevel [n=MoVeWoRk@60.Red-80-25-210.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-6a972c66fb553902] has joined #ubuntu+1 === j_ack [n=jack@p508D818E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-fd8123416f9621c8] has joined #ubuntu+1 === obsethryl [n=cball@unaffiliated/obsethryl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-28-193.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === j_ack [n=jack@p508D818E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sittisal_ [n=sittisal@host40-102-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _dennis_ [n=dennis@78-20-190-172.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zambezi [i=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zaggynl [n=zaggynl@dsl-083-247-110-137.solcon.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mikelevel [n=MoVeWoRk@60.Red-80-25-210.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.9] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === RealMurphy [n=hacked@p57B90C79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MacSlow [i=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kalpik [n=kalpik@122.162.168.169] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kalpik_ [n=kalpik@122.162.165.57] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kalpik_ [n=kalpik@122.162.165.57] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kalpik_ [n=kalpik@122.162.165.57] has joined #ubuntu+1 === napsy_ [n=luka@BSN-77-126-125.static.dsl.siol.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === andi5 [n=ak47@p548B80EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-35-79-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === andi5 [n=ak47@p548B80EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [08:12] is it feasible to dist-upgrade from a tribe CD? === Zdra [n=zdra@252.33-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === karmue [n=karli@e178189061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:24] anyone using tilda? [08:24] with latest libvte? === j_ack [n=jack@p508D818E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu+1 === gourdin [n=adept@dau94-5-81-57-167-120.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pitfall [n=adept@dau94-5-81-57-167-120.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-76-29-9-184.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF_ [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eobanb [n=eoban@user-0c93gne.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Adlai [i=adlaiff6@nat/google/x-1b072cb5ddebe5bc] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _dennis_ [n=dennis@78-20-190-172.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pecisk_ [n=pecisk@purvc-69-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MacSlow [i=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dotpavan [n=pavan@d00-129-24-143-178.dhcp.unm.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ph0t0n [n=briossc@200.41.42.201] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:20] Is since Compiz Fusion runs on XGL or AIGLX, what is Gutsy going to run? [09:29] corevette, compiz "fusion"? === Kill_X [i=kill_x@p54A17424.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:29] PriceChild, compcomm's new name [09:29] crdlb, never saw that coming :) [09:29] what he said [09:29] corevette, compiz fusion is just compiz... so it works on the same? [09:30] well Amaranth said something about gutsy possibly going with Xgl [09:30] by default? [09:30] ohhhhh that.... [09:30] that was very scary ideas... [09:30] PriceChild: compix merged with beryl a while ago [09:30] I remember them talking about it UDS [09:30] corevette, "merged" in inverted brackets === PriceChild doesn't like xgl.. [09:31] crdlb, PriceChild: Compiz Fusion works with XGL and AIGLX [09:31] PriceChild: For us ATI users, XGL is our only option [09:31] yes indeed it does [09:31] I know...? [09:31] and no [09:31] many ati users get to use aiglx [09:31] like me :D === PriceChild highfives crdlb [09:32] how can you use that? === coNP has ATI and wants compiz... [09:32] because I have an old card supported by the free driver [09:32] wow, I might try free driver some day [09:32] ATI's newer cards don't support AIGLX === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:36] Compiz Fusion? I don't like that name. [09:36] But so be it. [09:37] And what about "Compiz" -- I know "comp" is for "composit{e,ing}", but what is "iz"? === j_ack [n=jack@p508D818E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hwilde [n=hwilde@71.16.69.162] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:41] anybody have trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot? === motin [n=motin@c-2b96e255.19-15-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra [n=zdra@252.33-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jshaffer [n=john@tx-65-41-69-13.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DigitalNinja [n=dhull@157-157-237-24-mvl.ewc.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === serAphim [n=seraphim@e179131245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === linxeh_ [n=linx@87.86.206.82] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === der0b [n=s0d_0ff@c-66-31-142-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fuoco [n=gad@87.69.68.130.cable.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:01] anybody have trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot? === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.9] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:08] guys does anybody know of anything other blogtk to do off-line blogging & then updating to the blog? Maybe with some wordpress space === theunixgeek [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:09] where can I get Tribe 1 of Gutsy? [10:09] theunixgeek: hang on [10:10] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/ [10:10] thanks [10:10] you're welcome [10:10] my feisty got messed up, so im taking a look at the future of ubuntu ;) [10:10] heh === Saviq [n=michal@sawicz.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:11] theunixgeek: if you report the problems, then the possibility of less problems being in the newer version === Zambezi [i=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:11] if problems aren't reported, developers don't come to know [10:11] hello, is it possible to have a pcmcia prism2 based card working under gutsy? [10:11] I can [10:12] can't compile linux-wlan nor hostap [10:12] wats new about gutsy? is there a features list? [10:12] there was an announcement sometime back [10:12] the big thing I guess is move to xorg 7.2 [10:12] where can i get it? [10:12] that is, the list of features? [10:13] ah , hmmm.... lemme remember [10:13] there was a an e-mail on ubuntu-devel on lists.ubuntu.com [10:13] http://ubuntu.com/testing [10:13] Does anyone know the date for the Gutsy release [10:13] ok. il look there [10:13] October something (I think 10th) [10:13] !gutsy [10:13] Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1 [10:14] see GutsyReleaseSchedule [10:14] thanks [10:14] as the version number says: 7.10 as in 2007 october [10:14] anything about prism2 support? [10:15] shirish: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html [10:15] the features === theunixgeek [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [10:15] Saviq: perhaps you don't give the the ubuntu.com/testing link [10:16] well sorry for that - it's always the first place I look for info on testing [10:18] Saviq: that's ok, although that site is broken, I'm posting about it. [10:18] hwilde: any idea when the move to FF3 would be taking place? === wolki [n=wolki@client418.sg.fr.studentenwohnheim-bw.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:18] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe1 well that one works :) [10:19] shirish, any idea why I'm having trouble with multiple USB ports locking up on boot? === theunixgeek [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:19] Saviq: not the tribe1 place, but the site as such [10:19] shirish, move to FF3 because of 'unstable' complaints http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1084&Feed=RSS2 [10:19] hwilde: no idea m8 === Bubble [i=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:19] hey how do you change the startup screen? [10:20] u know, the big ubuntu that pops up when u turn the machine on ;) [10:20] !usplash [10:20] To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork [10:20] i accidentaly chagned it to ubuntu studio splash :( [10:20] shirish, have you tried safari it is awesome [10:20] hwilde: its much better on os x [10:20] ;] [10:20] hwilde: nope, heard lot of reports of crashing hence haven't tried it [10:21] me neither [10:21] I heard it is good in windows tho [10:21] but I can't even boot right now [10:21] Saviq: THANK YOU! [10:21] THANK YOU! [10:21] THANK YOU! [10:21] I have 6 USB ports and it loads about 2 or 3 then it assigns the same address to two of them and hangs [10:21] THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!! I FINALLY HAVE THE DEFAULT BACK :d [10:21] during boot [10:21] ubuntulog: where to see your log [10:21] *: D [10:22] :D [10:22] :) [10:22] wait, im flooding the channel... sorry === theunixgeek [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === dotpavan [n=pavan@d00-129-24-143-178.dhcp.unm.edu] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] [10:23] ubotu paste [10:23] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) === MacSlow [i=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:25] !flood [10:25] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [10:25] hwilde: dunno much but did see lot of base packages, esp. hardware driver packages being updated recently, dunno if something in there broke it. [10:26] shirish, yeah well it's been broke since 2.6.17 - i'm just hoping [10:26] hwilde: your best bet would either be in the forums with the log file attached or in-line or wait for some of the experts === hwilde is waiting... [10:26] shirish, umm on that note how do I capture the log messages on bootup? they are not in /var/log anywhere [10:27] hwilde: then its an old issue, I have had an issue with hdparm on 2.6.17 onwards, the fix is supposed to be released but no improvement as of yet [10:27] hang on [10:35] what really blows my mind is that the livecd run just fine, but once installed it hangs on boot loading usb :/ [10:35] hwilde: did you try any of the syslog ones in /var/log [10:36] yeah I booted into the livecd, mounted the hd, and looked through /var/log and I cannot find the usb errors to pastebin them [10:36] hwilde: the /var/log would have logs like syslog etc. in compressed or uncompressed format, you might have to search a bit but eventually you might be able to get something. [10:36] hwilde: for e.g. I'm able to see my syslog pretty easy [10:36] shirish, looks like that is disabled by default. I will change and pastebin http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49925 [10:36] /etc/default/bootlogd BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:36] /wc [10:36] doh ;) === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === shirish reads the whole thread about boot log [10:36] it's not much, it's just disabled by default. [10:39] hwilde: there is also a bug which person experience [10:40] ok I've managed to get it working [10:40] if someone asks: [10:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-wlan-ng/+bug/114793 [10:40] Launchpad bug 114793 in linux-wlan-ng "linux-wlan-ng fails compilation against 2.6.20-15" [Undecided,Confirmed] === bipolar_ [n=bflong@216-164-162-138.pa.subnet.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:42] hwilde: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/98955 [10:42] Launchpad bug 98955 in upstart "logd not running" [Medium,Confirmed] [10:42] Suspend in Gutsy is broken for me. [10:42] shirish, even with the bootlogd enabled, it does not catch the initial boot messages that I need. I need low level stuff before rcS and rc2 execution [10:43] hwilde: no idea m8, maybe DanaG can help you, I'm just a simple user/tester [10:45] It's pushing 2 a.m. here guys time to sleep === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.4.9] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.140.212.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:46] so is there a way to log the initial boot messages, before the rc messages in /var/log/boot ? [10:46] well apart from that it doesn't build the _cs module it worked grrr [10:48] I'm also just a tester, though I may sound like a developer sometimes. :) === theunixgeek [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:50] The only difference I found in Gutsy is GParted and Printer Notification in the Applications menu and shorter window borders.... wow, such a change ;) === theunixgeek [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [10:54] Hobbsee recommended I get Gutsy. Should I? (I don't mind a broken system :p) [10:54] !topic [10:54] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [10:55] /topic === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:55] hmm [10:56] since Hobbsee was the person to set the topic, I guess so [10:56] how do you make it say the topic [10:56] dunno. I just scrolled up [10:56] hwilde: it is okay [10:56] I just put a space accidentally before the slash === \x6e\x65\x72\x64 [n=gaucho@200-203-65-202.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:57] so i've got multiple usb ports, and it just hangs on boot. it looks like it is assigning the same address to multiple ports [11:00] ok then....no prism2 support under gutsy\ [11:00] hostap doesn't build at all [11:00] linux-wlan-ng does not build the _cs drivers === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:00] not good === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:06] Saviq, nobody replied here so you ask in #ubuntu lol === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:07] yes, 'cause I found out that the prism2_cs problem is not gutsy-specific [11:07] yeah neither is mine but I just hope someone here might be working on the fix [11:07] go atheros [11:08] yeah well I'll have another card tomorrow, but I just can't believe that I can't get it to work [11:09] and CONFIG_NET_RADIO disabled in the kernel? it's probably something obsolete and hostap-source is not up-to-date with that === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === motin [n=motin@81-226-245-199-no46.business.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === snax [n=snax@c-24-17-192-192.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-223-188.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu+1 === joetheodd__ [i=joe@ACA7DD12.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:31] christ, what happened today? NM exploded, bcm43xx exploded, ntfs-3g exploded... === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-124.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:36] mm, "compact" in lilo.conf is causing a race condition on my machine, and thus sda -> sdc. 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