[01:26] (ScottK/#ubuntu-bugs) Unfortunately that leaves a lot of people actually fixing bugs out.
[01:26] (ScottK/#ubuntu-bugs) Not the way to make it easy to contribute.
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121259 in dpatch (main) "dpatch must depend on dpkg-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121259
[01:38] <rbs-tito> I'm working on a firefox bug, are the .js files written in javascript?
[01:43] <rbs-tito> http://www.pastebin.ca/577581 I have added the part starting with line 2, would this code work for adding a trailing slash to firefox bookmarks? It is in the addbookmark.js source file in firefox for bug 120720
[01:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120720 in firefox "Bookmark image icons" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120720
[01:44] <rbs-tito> make that http://www.pastebin.ca/577585
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121260 in devscripts (main) "devscripts must depend on fakeroot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121260
[02:00] <calc> anyone happen to know what package MgOpen Cosmetica font is in?
[02:01] <calc> duh i found it, heh /me hands himself apt-cache search
[02:04] <rbs-tito> this is scary, recompiling mozilla!
[02:04] <rbs-tito> *firefox
[02:04] <rbs-tito> I want to check if my patch works
[02:05] <calc> should security bugs be marked as critical?
[02:07] <bdmurray> not necessarily
[02:07] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: If my firefox patch works do I upload a .patch file, the same way I did with the others?
[02:09] <bdmurray> probably - the mozilla team does have their own workflow though
[02:09] <calc> ok
[02:10] <calc> i marked the one outstanding security bug in ooo as critical
[02:10] <calc> probably good to set it that way to make it stand out more
[02:10] <rbs-tito> Ah well, If I do it I'm sure they will be able to suss it out
[02:10] <calc> and it needs fixing asap so critical kind of implies that ;)
[02:10] <pochu> calc: also, if there's a CVE about it, you can mark it as security and mention the CVE
[02:12] <rbs-tito> Running diff on firefox is going to take years
[02:19] <keescook> calc: have you chated with doko about doing builds with the fix for that OOo CVE?
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #121262 in openssh (main) "ssh-copy-id is out-of-date" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121262
[02:22] <rbs-tito> compiling firefox is like pulling teeth
[02:31] <calc> Hobbsee: good evening
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hi calc
[02:33] <calc> Hobbsee: i think i managed to successfully triage around 110 bugs or so on OOo
[02:33] <calc> and close maybe ~ 50 but not really sure
[02:34] <Hobbsee> calc: yay!
[02:34] <calc> at least 20+ anyway, i didn't keep good track
[02:34] <calc> the overall number of bugs went down ~ 41 or so over that time period including new bugs filed
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121264 in Ubuntu "graphics acceleration is disabled on second X session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121264
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121265 in logwatch (universe) "logwatch should depend on exim4 instead of exim (which is exim3)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121265
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121266 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice does not start: abnormal early exit ..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121266
[03:00] <pdenapo> Hi
[03:00] <rbs-tito> hi
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121267 in update-manager (main) "a fatal error of dist-upgrade at Gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121267
[03:01] <pdenapo> I'm a bit disappointed by a bug in ubuntu: that it can't detect the serial mouse
[03:01] <pdenapo> the problem is reported at launchpad
[03:01] <pdenapo> it's important for the usability
[03:02] <pdenapo> but nobody seems to care
[03:02] <Hobbsee> does it have enough information?
[03:02] <pdenapo> I would sugest to add an option at boot time for using a serial mouse
[03:02] <Hobbsee> is it in the right place?
[03:03] <pdenapo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/9068
[03:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 9068 in xorg "Serial mice are not autodetected" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:03] <pdenapo> I mean, for advanced users like myself
[03:04] <pdenapo> of course I can edit the xorg.conf file by hand and kill the X server process
[03:04] <pdenapo> but it makes no sense to ask newbbies to do that
[03:05] <pdenapo> and in my county (Argentina) computers with serial mouse are still common
[03:05] <Hobbsee> i thought it already *did* detect serial mice
[03:05] <Hobbsee> did mine, last i checked
[03:06] <pdenapo> I've tested Ubuntu 7.04 and Kubuntu 7.04
[03:06] <pdenapo> and knoppix for example, does it fine
[03:09] <pdenapo> if the serial mouse fails to be detected, you cannot really use the live cd
[03:09] <pdenapo> that's why the bug is really serious
[03:09] <pdenapo> I think that autodection is great when it works
[03:09] <pdenapo> but can be catastrofic when it happends to fail
[03:10] <pdenapo> so I would suggest to add an option at boottime to bypass it
[03:11] <Hobbsee> erk.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> (darn getting pinged in 2 channels at the same time)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> pdenapo: i'd probably bring that up on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[03:12] <pdenapo> Hobbsee: I've tried to send a mail to ubuntu-devel
[03:13] <pdenapo> but as it is a closed mailing list
[03:13] <pdenapo> my mail was rejected
[03:13] <Hobbsee> moderated or rejected?
[03:13] <pdenapo> rejected by the moderator
[03:13] <Hobbsee> did they give a reason?
[03:13] <ajmitch> ubuntu-devel-discuss then
[03:14] <pdenapo> he sugest me to send it there
[03:14] <Hobbsee> then did you send it there?
[03:14] <pdenapo> however, I've done so... and I can't see my mail there
[03:15] <ScottK> pdenapo: Did you subscribe to the list?
[03:15] <pdenapo> no
[03:15] <pdenapo> I'm not a ubuntu developer
[03:15] <ScottK> pdenapo: devel-discuss is an open list.  You need to subscribe or your mail gets moderated.
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121269 in firefox (main) "certain youtube videos dont work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121269
[03:16] <pdenapo> I'm just wanted to point-oout one issue
[03:17] <pdenapo> I would apreciate if you could bring this issue in the ubuntu-devel list
[03:18] <pdenapo> I think that it is important for a distribution which goal is to be user-friendly
[03:18] <Hobbsee> i think it's been shown that it's inappropriate for the ubuntu-devel list, maybe?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> pdenapo: i'd probably wait till european day, then ask in #ubuntu-devel
[03:19] <Hobbsee> if you dont want to send it to a ML.
[03:19] <pdenapo> european day?
[03:19] <pdenapo> what's that?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> devel-discuss sometimes takes a while for the moderation queue to clear, too
[03:19] <ajmitch> business hours in europe
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ...the day in europe.
[03:19] <pdenapo> ah.. ok
[03:19] <Hobbsee> @now germany
[03:19] <Hobbsee> @now berlin
[03:19] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: June 20 2007, 03:19:49 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 18 hours 40 minutes
[03:20] <pdenapo> thank you all for your help
[03:21] <pdenapo> I think that the development list should?'t be so closed...
[03:21] <pdenapo> this doesn't happend with other projects
[03:22] <Hobbsee> it happened because people abused it.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> and that's why -devel-discuss exists
[03:23] <pdenapo> it somewhat frustrating that just making a comment that could be useful for the improvement of Ubuntu is so hard
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121272 in xen-tools (universe) "xentools in feisty creates broken debootstrap'ed images" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121272
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121273 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kernel panic with dm-crypt/luks + lvm + xfs + ubuntu kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121273
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121274 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1 (restricted) "Gutsy fails to start X with fglrx / ATI Express 200M" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121274
[06:41] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:41] <RAOF> :)
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121275 in Ubuntu "Opening PCMan File Manager 0.3.2.2 Causes My Desktop to Alter and Lockup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121275
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121276 in Ubuntu "Quando se inicia o aMule as vezes ele no fica no systemtray, mas sim na rea de trabalho." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121276
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121277 in firefox (main) "gusty firefox memory corruption warning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121277
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121278 in ghostscript (main) "When navigating to folder with .eps a process "gs" will launch and consume apprx. 85% of physical memory and slow computer to crawling. (dup-of: 108159)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121278
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121279 in totem (main) "Totem playback choppy with H264" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121279
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121280 in update-manager (main) "Could not calculate the upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121280
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121281 in firefox (main) "Strange behavour after trying of picture viewing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121281
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121282 in gnome-panel (main) "Beryl doesnt start " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121282
[08:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:01] <SEOmoz> me too
[08:01] <SEOmoz> xD
[08:01] <Hobbsee> gnome-panel probably has an icon to start beryl
[08:02] <SEOmoz> ill take a look
[08:02] <crimsun> dude, Hobbsee boog!
[08:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hrm?
[08:02] <crimsun> I should name my package Hobbsee =] 
[08:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that could be fun
[08:05] <calc> bbl, bedtime 1am :)
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> since when is bedtime at 1am? it's that time here...
[08:09] <crimsun> (things are a bit different for Canonical employees.)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i suppose so.
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> (things are a bit different for unemployed students.)
[08:10] <crimsun> I definitely will miss this lifestyle
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i heard you were going to be on the road or something like that.
[08:11] <thekorn> good morning
[08:11] <crimsun> yes
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there thekorn
[08:12] <Admiral_Chicago> would bughelper need updating since launchpad will be using new bug states?
[08:12] <crimsun> almost certainly
[08:12] <thekorn> yes
[08:13] <crimsun> this throws a wrench into my bughelper hook plans, too.
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i may pull the latest code and make a patch for when launchpad goes down
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> may being the key word.
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> ah I have the code right in front of me, this *should* be easy
[08:19] <thekorn> speaking about new bug states: ehich are the new states and when will they be introduced?
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> thekorn: pulling the info now
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> info == the email
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> thekorn: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2007-June/000559.html
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm assuming 12 UTC
[08:25] <Hobbsee> thekorn: not quite yet - and that's not accurate
[08:26] <thekorn> Admiral_Chicago: thanks will have a look
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, looking at bughelper. we have 'Triaged' for example, that works
[08:27] <micahcowan> Do standby-node bugs go to linux-source?
[08:27] <micahcowan> *mode
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> 'Won'tFix' doesn't quite work because of the extra apostrophe, is there a way to do this in Python?
[08:28] <crimsun> micahcowan: the appropriate linux-source-2.6.foo, yes
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> like '"Don'tFix"'
[08:29] <micahcowan> crimsun, thanks. There's one filed against a BASIC IDE (gambas) for some reason :)
[08:29] <micahcowan> Have we decided yet what the deal is with the new states, and has the wiki been updated appropriately?
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121285 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Soft lockup when starting iwlwifi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121285
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> they have not been implemented yet afaik
[08:31] <crimsun> there is ongoing fervent discussion.
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i think the new states are very good
[08:31] <micahcowan> crimsun, yeah, that much I saw :)
[08:32] <micahcowan> I think Won't Fix and whatever the other one are good; Triaged I'm unsure of.
[08:32] <micahcowan> *other one was
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Here is a case: The mozilla team has various crashes. Some reproduceable, some not. we set all bugs with crash reports and good retraces as confirmed
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> some are one time crashes due to extensions, other reproduceable crashes
[08:33] <thekorn> Admiral_Chicago: you can escape chars like 'Won\'tFix'
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> we can use Triaged for bugs that have all the confirmed information but nothing to reproduce it. whereas reproduceable bugs are sent upsteam
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks thekorn, doing that now
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> reproduce bugs would be marked confirmed
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> patch sent
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121286 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Suspend resume with libata IDE disks disables DMA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121286
[08:42] <micahcowan> to what do I assign bugs related specifically to the Live CD (such as boot failure?)
[08:42] <Hobbsee> linux-source-2.6.22, i guess
[08:42] <Hobbsee> maybe add another task for casper?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> not sure
[09:15] <dholbach> good morning
[09:16] <thekorn> hello dholbach
[09:16] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[09:17] <thekorn> dholbach: I'm just working on the py-lp-bugs changes wiki-page
[09:18] <dholbach> NICE
[09:18] <dholbach> hey Admiral_Chicago
[09:18] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: have the new states in LP have not landed yet, so we're not going to apply the patch just now
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> sounds good, just wanted to get that in before thekorn beat me to it
[09:20] <dholbach> right :)
[09:20] <thekorn> haha
[09:21] <Admiral_Chicago> dholbach: but the patch itself is valid?
[09:22] <dholbach> is it really "Won'tFix"?
[09:22] <dholbach> and don't we have other places where we check bug states too?
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> no i searched everything, nothing coded in like in bughelper
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> the file, not the package
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> it's "Won't Fix" according to the email
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> which I found odd.
[09:26] <dholbach> you write   "Won\'tFix"
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #121289 in update-manager (main) "OSError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121289
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> ah. my python skills are non-existant which is why I made that error.
[09:26] <dholbach> do we need changes in py-lp-bugs too?
[09:26] <thekorn> yes
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, let me check
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> yep. i'll make a patch for that too...
[09:28] <dholbach> Admiral_Chicago: good
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> wait a sec, I wrote. 'Won\'tFix in the patch to bughelper.
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> either way, i'll do the smae for py-lp-bugs
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> done.
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121290 in firefox (main) "Firefow Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121290
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121292 in ksudoku (universe) "test bug" [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121292
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121294 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org fails to render OpenType fonts at all" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121294
[10:08] <thekorn> dholbach: I added some lines to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/python-launchpad-bugs/API_changes
[10:08] <dholbach> nice
[10:08] <dholbach> i'll check it out in a bit
[10:08] <thekorn> will add some more later today,
[10:09] <thekorn> but have to leave now
[10:13] <dholbach> ok... see you
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121295 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "[gutsy]  vmware player kernel modules are missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121295
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121296 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  kink 0.2.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121296
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121297 in evince (main) "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in cairo_transform()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121297
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121298 in evince (main) "evince crashed with SIGSEGV in cairo_transform()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121298
[10:58] <pochu> Good morning folks!
[11:04] <coNP> hey pochu
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hiya pochu, coNP, cjwatson
[11:05] <coNP> hey Hobbsee
[11:06] <coNP> do you want to s/gibbon/fawn/?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> nah
[11:07] <Hobbsee> just run gutsy full time
[11:10] <Hobbsee> coNP: i say that...and then i try to hiberante a VM, and kdm appears to break.  tasty.
[11:10] <coNP> there is a support channel available for gutsy with nice people wanting to help :)
[11:11] <Hobbsee> hrm.  i wonder why.
[11:11] <Hobbsee> X breaks on the system i *dont* want it to break on.
[11:11] <coNP> file a bug against libx-brain-control
[11:12] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:13] <Hobbsee> coNP: then again, my feisty is so borkened anyway that i am running gutsy full time.
[11:13] <Hobbsee> although, if i fixed grub for feisty, it would probably boot
[11:13] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:13] <coNP> oh you run feisty on the host machine and gutsy in the VM?
[11:13] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.22-6-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3457 bogomips), HD: 34/71GB, RAM: 1052/1510MB, 130 proc's, 8.45h up
[11:14] <Hobbsee> this machine tripple boots, and there's a broken-x-enated gutsy in a VM
[11:14] <Hobbsee> so ther'es XP, gutsy, and feisty on here, + gutsy-vm
[11:14] <coNP> wow
[11:14] <Hobbsee> coNP: it's kinda crazy.  i moved to gutsy pretty early, because i just wasnt fixing the bugs if i couldnt see them staring me in the face.
[11:16] <coNP> we should update the whole triaging process in the wiki
[11:16] <coNP> because of the new bug states
[11:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:16] <Hobbsee> this is true
[11:16] <Hobbsee> but i'd prefer to see what they turn out to be, first.
[11:16] <Hobbsee> coNP: it's more "no excuses.  you can upload to the entire archive"
[11:17] <coNP> sure
[11:17] <coNP> what do you mean by upload?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> upload packages
[11:17] <Hobbsee> (to ubuntu)
[11:19] <coNP> oh, only if you have to appropriate group membership
[11:20] <coNP> s/to/the/
[11:20] <Hobbsee> coNP: true.  i'm a core dev
[11:20] <coNP> Hobbsee: not a long time ago, I guess, I remember the mail welcoming you aboard
[11:20] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> mvo: if your around did you find out adept FTB from what i saw its looking for a .la file that is no longer in gutsy (or ubuntu) not sure when it was pulled?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> mvo: debtags fail as well with an apt error or 2
[11:22] <gnomefreak> s/out adept/out why adept
[11:25] <Hobbsee> coNP: um...cds are usually 700mb right?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> 270156d5778097d3ffceecc58b94629e
[11:26] <Hobbsee> 270156d5778097d3ffceecc58b94629e
[11:26] <Hobbsee> hrm.  seems the same
[11:26] <Hobbsee> bigpond server must be on crack
[11:27] <coNP> :)
[11:27] <coNP> is it some kind of ubuntu?
[11:28] <coNP> was it an usb longpointystick?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> coNP: yeah, tribe 1 ubuntu
[11:30] <coNP> pbuilder is slow
[11:31] <RAOF> coNP: Yup.  It had an extendable pointing bit :)
[11:32] <crimsun> yay, alsa-driver triaged.  Time to write a cluefile, then off to the airport.
[11:33] <gnomefreak> way too early for airport :(
[11:35] <Hobbsee> grrr.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> please prozilla, dont kill my connection
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121299 in tilda (universe) "tilda does not show up with latest libvte" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121299
[11:43] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: is there a way to see what command kmenu uses to launch an app?
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121300 in python-mysqldb (main) "KeyError exception while trying to execute sql query" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121300
[11:45] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: from kmenueditor?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ok ill have him check it ty
[11:47] <crimsun> mm, bughelper is fun
[11:47] <crimsun> well, bughelper-data
[11:48] <crimsun> ok, committed.  Airport time.
[11:49] <mvo> gnomefreak: thanks for looking into this, I'm currently working on some compiz issues, then I will check it out again
[11:49] <pochu> wow! rock on :) http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[11:49] <gnomefreak> mvo: ty i have both ready to build :)
[11:49] <rbs-tito> Hi guys, if a bug ( bug 120837) is related to the proprietary ATI drivers there is nothing we can do about it right?
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120837 in xorg "When I log out from Ubuntu Feisty I get black screeen" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120837
[11:49] <pochu> So for next HugDay -> less than 30k bugs :)
[11:50] <rbs-tito> Cool
[11:50] <mvo> gnomefreak: cool! both are fixed? great! please upload the debdiff to some place then :)
[11:51] <gnomefreak> mvo: neither are
[11:51] <gnomefreak> mvo: both fail badly
[11:51] <pochu> rbs-tito: move it to linux-restricted-modules-2.6.x. I'm not sure whether we can do something, probably ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[11:51] <mvo> gnomefreak: oh, ok :/
[11:51] <pochu> rbs-tito: 2.6.20 is it's with Feisty
[11:51] <gnomefreak> debtags is failing with apt error
[11:51] <pochu> s/is/if/
[11:53] <rbs-tito> Yeah, 2.6.20
[11:53] <Hobbsee> pochu: oh nice!
[11:53] <pochu> :)
[11:54] <pochu> Hobbsee: can you close 100 kde bugs with 'WontFix' ;)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> pochu: quite likely.
[11:55] <pochu> Well, if you want to close more, I won't complain :)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> pochu: i wonder...can you close every bug in a source package, without listing all the numbers?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> any kde3 bug we can close with that, when kde4 comes out, i beleive
[11:55] <Hobbsee> or a lot of
[11:55] <pochu> I don't think so...
[11:55] <pochu> Hobbsee: though you can file a request in answers.launchpad.net/malone, I think.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> well.  the code will have changed a lot, so...
[11:56] <pochu> Maybe stub or someboy can do that directly in the DB
[11:56] <pochu> s/someboy/somebody/
[11:56] <pochu> My typing is weird today :/
[11:59] <pochu> Hehe, there are 794 bugs in the Edgy kernel, and I don't think we're going to fix much of them...
[12:00] <coNP> lol
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121301 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  gnome-mplayer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121301
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121302 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  gecko-media-player" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121302
[12:01] <Hobbsee> pochu: not really
[12:02] <Hobbsee> unless you're throwing them into debian
[12:02] <pochu> Hehe, right :)
[12:02] <pochu> That's what I do.
[12:02] <pochu> Though the NEW queue is slow... ;)
[12:03] <coNP> pochu: are you now merging bugs to debian?
[12:06] <rbs-tito> Is there a command to search files recursively for a string?
[12:07] <coNP> grep -r
[12:09] <rbs-tito> if I wanted to search all files in the current directory and subdirectories for a string what would I run?
[12:10] <pochu> coNP: I've uploaded a couple of new packages
[12:11] <coNP> pochu: to debian?
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121303 in tracker (universe) "libdeskbar-tracker has bad grammar in deskbar: "Listen music <file>"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121303
[12:11] <pochu> coNP: yep (and therefore to Ubuntu too)
[12:11] <coNP> pochu: wow I did not know you become a DD (or is it just work-in-progress?
[12:12] <pochu> coNP: I'm not a DD, but I have an sponsor :)
[12:12] <coNP> I see
[12:12] <pochu> You can maintain packages without being DD... In fact, that's the way to become a DD ;)
[12:22] <rbs-tito> bug 121303 patched for Feisty :D
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121303 in tracker "libdeskbar-tracker has bad grammar in deskbar: "Listen music <file>"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121303
[12:23] <Kmos> rbs-tito: i added patch tag to it
[12:24] <rbs-tito> Kmos: To the attachment?
[12:24] <rbs-tito> I thought I'd done it -shrug-
[12:25] <Hobbsee> is it a full debdiff?
[12:25] <rbs-tito> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8142348/tracker.patch
[12:26] <Kmos> Hobbsee: nop
[12:26] <Kmos> rbs-tito: no.. just the tag
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #93012 in restricted-manager "edits xorg.conf on unsuccessful package installation (dup-of: 108119)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93012
[12:27] <rbs-tito> Should I upload another patch for the Gutsy version?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> rbs-tito: send that to debian
[12:28] <rbs-tito> Hobbsee: Can I do that through launchpad? Or do I file a new bug report there?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> rbs-tito: seeing as we dont modify tha tpackage ourself
[12:28] <Hobbsee> no, file  anew bug report
[12:28] <Hobbsee> you can give the bug report of ours, though
[12:28] <rbs-tito> Ad debian/bugzilla?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> sorry?
[12:28] <rbs-tito> *At debians bugzilla ?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> at the debian bugtracker, yse.  last i knew they dont run bugzilla
[12:30] <Kmos> rbs-tito: use e-mail tracker@packages.debian.org to contact maintainer of the package
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121305 in coreutils (main) "id crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121305
[12:30] <rbs-tito> Kmos: So just email that? Or do  add it to debian bugs?
[12:30] <Kmos> rbs-tito: try to e-mail.
[12:31] <Kmos> with the patch attached
[12:33] <rbs-tito> Sent
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #107705 in restricted-manager "Requests restricted-modules package" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107705
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121307 in conquest (universe) "Merge conquest (8.2b-1) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121307
[12:36] <rbs-tito> I set that as unnasigned now right?
[12:36] <Kmos> rbs-tito: yes
[12:36] <Kmos> rbs-tito: after you finish your work, set it to unassigned
[12:37] <Kmos> and status to confirmed
[12:37] <rbs-tito> OK, but nothing will get done until Debian integrate it?
[12:39] <rbs-tito> Hmm, this patching malarky is good fun!
[12:39] <Kmos> rbs-tito: yes, if they don't took too long
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121308 in linkchecker (universe) "Merge linkchecker (4.7-2) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121308
[12:41] <rbs-tito> bug 121310 is interesting
[12:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121310 in Ubuntu "capture checkbutton stuck" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121310
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121309 in Ubuntu "TCP hangs for most sites" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121309
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121310 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "capture checkbutton stuck" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121310
[01:02] <ubotu> New bug: #121311 in openoffice.org (main) "oo impress: hyperlinks no shortcut for editing hyperlinks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121311
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121314 in php4 (universe) "Please sync php4 (6:4.4.6-2) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121314
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121315 in qtstalker (universe) "qtstalker version bump needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121315
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121319 in evince (main) "evince crashed with SIGSEGV while selecting text" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121319
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121320 in libmtp (main) "Update needed for package libmtp5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121320
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121324 in firefox (main) "Image properties shows displayed width and height, not image's actual properties" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121324
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121323 in ubiquity (main) "we don't get persian tranlation install time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121323
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121326 in vips7.10 (universe) "lack of sound, can't install driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121326
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121327 in poppler (main) "pdflatex produces a symbol lookup failure since recent libpoppler upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121327
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121329 in Ubuntu "screen resolution problem after nvidia driver update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121329
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121333 in file-roller (main) "archive manager can not open any .tar or .rpm file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121333
[02:41] <Kmos> if a bug is in dapper, but it's fixed on feisty.. we should mark it as fix released, right ?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Kmos: yes
[02:43] <Kmos> Hobbsee: but there is something the bug reporter can do
[02:43] <Kmos> ?
[02:43] <Kmos> if he wants it fixed on dapper
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !responses | Kmos
[02:43] <ubotu> Kmos: response is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Kmos: see ^
[02:44] <Kmos> thanks
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121335 in Ubuntu "printer setup not complete, lpd does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121335
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #121337 in openldap2.3 (main) "openldap should enforce ubuntu's default password policy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121337
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121338 in Ubuntu "Sony DVD RW DRU-820A -- I/O errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121338
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #120826 in Ubuntu "totem crashs at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120826
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121339 in Ubuntu "Error: dependency is not satisfiable: vlc-nox when I try to install vlc in Feisty Fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121339
[03:27] <asimon> Oops, stupidly I linked a debian bug to the wrong launchpad bug (got the wrong browser tab). Is there a way to remove a 'also affects' entry? Or what should I do? Thanks. (bug #121324)
[03:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121324 in firefox "Image properties shows displayed width and height, not image's actual properties" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121324
[03:30] <Hobbsee> asimon: reject the task, if you can
[03:30] <Hobbsee> asimon: oh wait.  you can just go in and take out the debian url, then reject the task
[03:31] <asimon> Hobbsee: If I try to remove the debian url and save the changes I get a "There is a problem with the information you entered. Please fix it and try again.".
[03:32] <asimon> Hobbsee: Ah, I got it, thank you.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121341 in apport (main) "Kubuntu upgrade from Edgy to Fiesty failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121341
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121342 in qt-x11-free (main) "kdesktop doesn't resize after rotation with xrandr" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121342
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121343 in libjsw (universe) "Joystick Saitec ST30 detected as Wasp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121343
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121346 in Ubuntu "passwd username: UNIX pass in the recovery mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121346
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121347 in kdenetwork (main) "Kopete crashes consistently on exit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121347
[03:57] <gnomefreak> mvo: did you pick apart adept? its looking for a file that is no longer used in gutsy
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121349 in kdenetwork (main) "Showing empty groups auto-activates after a name search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121349
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121350 in Ubuntu "will not detect my cd-rw/dvd drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121350
[04:26] <exobuzz> maybe someone can set the importance of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/73788 - it's undecided, but i can tell you, i think having completely broken network profiles is actually rather important
[04:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 73788 in kdeadmin "Network profiles completely broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:27] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: gutsy too?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: and have you reported it upstream, and linked it to that bug report?
[04:29] <exobuzz> Hobbsee: gutsy and breezy.. is it up to the users to report it at every point ? surely you cant expect them to do everything ?
[04:29] <exobuzz> also, how do you know its not a ubuntu specific bug. ubuntu has changes against the network profiles perl stuff
[04:30] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: then check for it.  you can be a triager too.
[04:30] <exobuzz> it would cause some anger to report upstream a bug which is only on kubuntu
[04:30] <Hobbsee> then they send it back to us
[04:30] <Hobbsee> last i checked, we dont do anything specific to kdeadmin?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/devel/kde3.5.7/kdeadmin/kdeadmin-3.5.7/debian/patches$ ls
[04:30] <Hobbsee> 01_really_recognize_etch.diff
[04:31] <Hobbsee> 02_knetworkconf_recognize_allow-stanzas.diff
[04:31] <Hobbsee> 03_kcron_no_silent.diff
[04:31] <Hobbsee> common
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kubuntu_08_kpackage_sudo.diff
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kubuntu_10_knetworkconf_localhost.diff
[04:31] <Hobbsee> oh there's a little bit.  so could be kubuntu specific
[04:31] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: i think you missed the part about the developers, for the most part, not being paid - and so, with respect to time contraints, in the same boat as you are
[04:32] <exobuzz> i get the feeling with ubuntu/kubuntu new features and more important than bugs
[04:32] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: so no, i dont expect them to do everything - just enough to get the bug looked at by the right people.
[04:32] <exobuzz> i realise that,
[04:32] <Hobbsee> and if not, and no one else picks it up, then it sits there.
[04:32] <allansv> I think i've a bug on ubuntu,
[04:32] <exobuzz> Hobbsee: i have posted bugs WITH patches however, and NOTHING has happened. what more can i do! :/
[04:33] <exobuzz> more than 1 years ago
[04:33] <allansv> mine data and audio cd/dvds are mounted as blank cds
[04:33] <ScottK> exobuzz: Have you posted a complete debdiff or just individual patches?
[04:33] <exobuzz> ScottK: patches against the individual files..
[04:33] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue ?
[04:33] <allansv> but system says that mine pc evend does not have a cd-drive
[04:33] <Hobbsee> (and did you tag them as patch?)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> with 30K of bugs, it's slightly hard to find things if people havent followed processes
[04:34] <ScottK> exobuzz: The answer to "what more can you do" is make a debdiff.  It reduces the amount of work someone who would have to upload has to do and so increases your odds.
[04:34] <exobuzz> thats because too much emphasis is put on new feature in ubuntu and not bugfixes
[04:34] <exobuzz> imho
[04:34] <calc> yea wrt upstream bugs don't report OOo bugs upstream unless you test with their version first... apparently they get annoyed at Ubuntu/Debian bugs
[04:34] <calc> ;)
[04:34] <ScottK> exobuzz: Remember that most developers (including Hobbsee and myself) are volunteers.  You can't force volunteers to work on anything.
[04:35] <exobuzz> ScottK: im not forcing. im making suggestions
[04:35] <Hobbsee> but for kde...it's different.  we dont modify much of kdeadmin
[04:35] <exobuzz> but.. there are SOME paid developers right ?
[04:35] <calc> and the paid developers tend to be stretched pretty thin
[04:35] <ScottK> exobuzz: For Main yes, for Universe, no.
[04:35] <exobuzz> they should do a 6 month "bug hunt/fix". instead of adding "mobile support" and other  badly thought out ideas
[04:35] <exobuzz> :/
[04:35] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: suggestions are better used in actually getting more people involved, or actually doing some work, rather than wand waving.
[04:35] <calc> exobuzz: if ubuntu wasn't kept up to date what keeps people using it over say OpenSUSE or Fedora, etc
[04:36] <ScottK> exobuzz: When you say "They should ..." I wonder how you expect that to work with volunteers...
[04:36] <exobuzz> debian is always out of date. and people use it :)
[04:36] <calc> exobuzz: a increasingly small number
[04:36] <exobuzz> ScottK: im referring to the few paid developers. there are some right ? :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: sure.  there's 1 talking to you
[04:36] <ScottK> Yes there are.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: there are 24 in the distro team, at last count.  remind me how many source packages there ar ein ubuntu?
[04:37] <zul> Hobbsee: more than one
[04:37] <Hobbsee> zul: talking to exobuzz now?
[04:37] <calc> heh there are 500+ bugs just on the package i maintain
[04:37] <coNP> Hobbsee: you mean, you are a volunteer?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> coNP: yes...
[04:37] <exobuzz> Hobbsee: are you capable of a conversation without being facetious and sarcastic ? :)
[04:38] <ScottK> exobuzz: Simmer down.  She's stating facts.
[04:38] <exobuzz> "remind me how many source packages there ar ein ubuntu?" serves no useful purpose.. i didnt say its a small project
[04:38] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: sarcastic?  i thought i was being quite honest, actually.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> no - but the ratio of packages to paid developers should make you think a little
[04:39] <Hobbsee> good luck, calc
[04:39] <exobuzz> why is it not ok to make a point like "i think emphasis should be on bug fixes". its just an idea.  just because its a project developed by volunteers, why can you not making suggestions/ideas without getting "stomped" on on irc
[04:39] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: you're not being stomped on.  you're just being told why it's very unlikely.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> i mean, if you want to shoot ideas out, you're welcome - thjere's a gutsy forum which no one takes terribly seriously, due to that
[04:40] <zul> exobuzz: because nothing would get done and then you would be complaining about everything is too old in ubuntu
[04:40] <Hobbsee> but this channel is for actually getting work done, rather than wand waving
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121351 in gst-fluendo-mpegdemux (universe) "some mpeg-ts files don't play (freeze on prerolling fase)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121351
[04:40] <persia> exobuzz: Apologies for the lost patches: the procedures have recently changed to try to reduce the time between patch submission and comment or review.  Testing with current releases or generating debdiffs can further reduce this time.  Arguing with developers about procedures is not likely to generate interest in solving specific reported issues.
[04:40] <exobuzz> zul: well.. perhaps a better balance is needed ?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: about the masses of kde bugs in launchpad - with the wontfix - can we get everything applicable filed upstream, and mark the launchpad lot as wont fix - pre KDE4?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: what right do you, or i, or anyone here, have to demand to create such a balance?
[04:41] <exobuzz> persia: no apology needed. ill read how to make a debdiff for next time.
[04:41] <exobuzz> see. im not demanding..
[04:41] <Hobbsee> it's open source - this is one of the quirks.
[04:41] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Makes sense.
[04:41] <exobuzz> its a suggestion/discussion
[04:41] <calc> there are on the order of 20-30K bugs reported per release
[04:41] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: conceded, but even still
[04:41] <ScottK> exobuzz: (violating my own rule here) it sounds like you are demanding.
[04:42] <calc> thats a lot of bugs to resolve in a ~ 6mo period
[04:42] <exobuzz> "how about". is a demand ?
[04:42] <exobuzz> comon..
[04:42] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: you can suggest - but only that - you cant actually say "you should do this" or "you must do this" - because none of us have to do what you say.
[04:42] <exobuzz> i didnt! :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> so you've suggested.  and you havent found much interest.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> but you've been told stuff that might be more useful
[04:42] <calc> about one bug every 15m
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: cool.  will post to the ML and such requesting it, soon.
[04:43] <ScottK> exobuzz: Point me at one of your patches for a Universe package and I'll have a look.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK: like, after we get the fix in.  of course, the permissions wont affect kubuntu stuff
[04:43] <exobuzz> this is the point. i feel that anything i say you are "getting your back up" because a) you dont like the idea b) you don't like users sugesting how you should go.. but surely there is no need to be so confrontational.. i am ONLY making a few suggestions based on my own user experience
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK: seeing as kubuntu-members is a bug contact for all kubuntu packages that we know about - and those that arent are easily added.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> exobuzz: not really.  what i have a problem with is the people who come in and demand that "it should be done differently"
[04:44] <Hobbsee> which is effectively what youv'e tried to come here to do.
[04:44] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Yes, but you have people like me who aren't in kubuntu-members...
[04:44] <exobuzz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/57849
[04:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57849 in hotkey-setup "Add keycodes for wireless button on Acer Travelmate 8100" [Low,Confirmed] 
[04:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you *arent*?
[04:44] <ScottK> Hobbsee: No.  Ubuntu members and MOTU.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you're a part of k-m by association.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> last i checked
[04:45] <ScottK> OK.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ScottK: either way, being in ~ubuntu-dev also gives you powers, as it counts you as a "dev" in LP's eyes.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> if not, then i should fix that
[04:46] <exobuzz> Hobbsee: plesae note that in everything i have said. not once was i making a demand. i dont know why you got that idea..
[04:46] <exobuzz> i was only giving you my opinion.
[04:46] <calc> trying to fix bugs is already a priority
[04:46] <ScottK> exobuzz: hotkey-setup was in Main, so I can't upload it (that's why I said a universe package) and it's been removed in any case, so it's OBE.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ScottK: OBE?
[04:46] <exobuzz> calc: that's excellent then ;-)
[04:46] <ScottK> exobuzz: How about another?
[04:47] <ScottK> OBE = Overtaken By Events.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:47] <calc> its just that there are so many packages and bugs that they can't all get dealt with on a timely basis
[04:47] <exobuzz> ScottK: how are keys handled. actually the patch is less useful to me now i have network-manager anyway
[04:47] <ScottK> exobuzz: Dunno.  Just looked and saw that the package had been removed.
[04:48] <calc> which is part of the reason Hug Days exist to try to get rid of the backlog :)
[04:48] <ScottK> exobuzz: Nevermind.  I was looking at it wrong...
[04:49] <calc> ScottK: still in main though so takes a core dev to fix it
[04:49] <ScottK> exobuzz: The package is still there, but it's still in Main, so I can't help you.  Got one for a universe package.
[04:50] <calc> exobuzz: you might want to send that patch to the debian bts as well, perhaps debian would apply the patch faster than ubuntu core dev
[04:50] <exobuzz> ScottK: sorry. none with a patch :)
[04:50] <ScottK> OK.  I'd suggest you do one of two things on that one:
[04:51] <ScottK> 1.  File a bug with Debian since Ubuntu uses their package unmodified and attach your patch.  You've possibly got a better shot there.
[04:51] <exobuzz> yeh i didnt realise that. will do. thanks
[04:51] <ScottK> 2.  Turn your patch into a proper debdiff and attach that.
[04:52] <exobuzz> will learna nd do that :)
[04:52] <ScottK> exobuzz: If you file the bug in Debian, please link that bug report to the Ubuntu report in LP so the Ubuntu bug will be linked.
[04:52] <exobuzz> k
[04:53] <exobuzz> can i just clarfy, i appreciate everyones work here. i really at no time was attempting to be "critical" of any of your work. Just wanted to share some of my views on it. I think its always good to hear the views of those who use your software.
[04:53] <exobuzz> well. i know i listen to my users :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> it is, yes.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> poor calc.
[04:55] <exobuzz> calc: not enough days in the year :-)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> calc: kde's worse.
[04:55] <persia> exobuzz: If you have trouble making a debdiff, you can also add the "patch" tag (if you have not already) to request someone else to make a debdiff, but as previously noted, there's no promise that anyone actually will.  Also, when sending a bug report to Debian, only include the patch: Debian doesn't prefer debdiffs.
[04:55] <exobuzz> persia: im sure i can do it. i just need to read how ;-)
[04:55] <exobuzz> i will rtfm
[04:56] <exobuzz> thanks though
[04:56] <calc> Hobbsee: oh i know... i was the debian kde maintainer for about 3-4 years ;)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:57] <Hobbsee> point
[04:57] <exobuzz> calc: i wouldnt want that job :)
[04:57] <persia> exobuzz: The Preparing New Revisions section of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing has some instructions.  Best of luck.
[04:57] <calc> <- is a glutton for punishment ;)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> calc: so it seems :P
[04:57] <Hobbsee> calc: next it'll be X as well?
[04:57] <calc> exobuzz: heh, well it helps lots of people, and someone's got to do it
[04:57] <exobuzz> calc: . mind you.. maintaining X i reckon is almost as bad :-)
[04:57] <calc> Hobbsee: X will be a while i need to learn about video stuff
[04:57] <zul> calc: could be worse
[04:57] <calc> Hobbsee: daniels helped me on kde and then went on to X stuff
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:58] <Hobbsee> calc: ahh, i see.
[04:58] <calc> Hobbsee: hear he is working for Nokia now on their handhelds
[04:58] <Hobbsee> calc: nwo that would be interesting....
[04:58] <calc> Hobbsee: daniels worked for ubuntu/canonical for a while too
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:58] <exobuzz> daniel stone ?
[04:58] <calc> exobuzz: yes
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:58] <exobuzz> aah
[04:59] <calc> i think i am going to make a OOo common bugs page or something like that
[04:59] <calc> since so many bugs filed against it are dupes of long unfixed bugs
[04:59] <calc> like SMB/NFS locking issues, etc
[05:00] <Hobbsee> youcould just fix them too.   *g*
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121352 in thunderbird (main) "OpenPGP Keymanagement does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121352
[05:03] <bdmurray> calc: OOo common bugs would be great
[05:03] <calc> Hobbsee: even upstream hasn't figured out how to do that after 2 years
[05:03] <calc> Hobbsee: i doubt i could figure it out heh ;)
[05:04] <calc> its a well known and well duplicated bug upstream, heh
[05:04] <calc> its set as target for OOo 2.3, don't know if that really means anything though
[05:07] <Hobbsee> heh, right
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121354 in gnome-media (main) "No "Master" Volume in Ubuntu?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121354
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #121358 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121358
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #121359 in Ubuntu "firefox/flash + amarok: no sound in flash video, then ff crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121359
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121361 in linux-meta (main) "pwc webcam driver does assign group video thate does not exist to /dev/video0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121361
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #121362 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-applet thinks it's connected to the wired network, when it's connected to the wireless network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121362
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #121364 in Ubuntu "Nautilus WMF file view memory loss" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121364
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121366 in Ubuntu "DVD ROM is missing in the U704  2.6.20-16-generic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121366
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #121365 in libcompizconfig (universe) "active plugin list not read from the backend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121365
[06:09] <calc> any kubuntu people here?
[06:10] <calc> i'm throwing a bug that way
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121367 in exaile (universe) "exaile crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121367
[06:12] <calc> gar!
[06:12] <calc> integrity error in launchpad
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121368 in Ubuntu "Can't execute a .bin file in kubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121368
[06:20] <calc> anyone else messing with bugs? if so are you getting integrity errors as well?
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121371 in irda-utils (main) "irda-utils error when starting the initscript" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121371
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121372 in compiz (main) "Bug migrating active plugins from gconf to ccp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121372
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121373 in openoffice.org (main) "files from ms-word XP does not open on Openoffice 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121373
[06:33] <ScottK> calc: No errors here.
[06:34] <calc> ScottK: ok, must be this bug doesn't like me
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121377 in network-manager-applet (main) "[gutsy]  network-manager-gnome should depend on network-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121377
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121381 in ldap-account-manager (universe) "php5-mcrypt problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121381
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #121379 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror Crashed upon KDE session startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121379
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121383 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Custom DSDT not loading with kernel 2.6.22-6-generic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121383
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121385 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Touchpad doesn't work after suspend on amilo1520" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121385
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121386 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  krdm" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121386
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121387 in Ubuntu "software-properties-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121387
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #121393 in openoffice.org (main) "Impress can't open a document while in windows it can" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121393
[07:25] <asac> hmmm ... bug 94702 appears to have merged in duplicates that are no duplicates
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94702 in gnash "[apport]  gnash crashed with SIGSEGV in gnash::SWF::SWFHandlers::ActionCallMethod()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94702
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121398 in python-scipy (universe) "Python-scipy 0.5.2-9ubuntu2 built without umfpack module" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121398
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121374 in fail2ban (universe) "Denial of service through log injection in fail2ban" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121374
[07:41] <ScottK> asac: Then un-duplicate them.
[07:42] <asac> yeah
[07:42] <asac> already done
[07:42] <ScottK> OK
[07:43] <asac> i just thought that auto-dupe detection did merge bad bugs ... but i found out that the bad one was merged by human ... so not a problem
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121283 in debian-installer (main) "kakosi" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121283
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121400 in Ubuntu "app-get turned on and is eating 87% of the CPU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121400
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121401 in dosemu (multiverse) "Sync dosemu (1.4.0+svn.1828-1) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121401
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121402 in jmp (multiverse) "Sync jmp (0.51-1) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121402
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121403 in xen-source (universe) "Beagle CPU problems with Xen kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121403
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121404 in ufraw (universe) "Sync ufraw (0.11-2) from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121404
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #121406 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) ""BIOS Bug" while booting and later on a lot of "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121406
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #120348 in Ubuntu "security updates corrupt - feisty" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120348
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121407 in gw-fonts-ttf (universe) "Installing this package ruins other fonts, like monospace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121407
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121409 in gnome-nettool (main) "Wi-fi missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121409
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121321 in pam (main) "root login possible on console without auth check" [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121321
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #121410 in gnome-panel (main) "Gnome top panel position changed at startup to the bottom" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121410
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121411 in eclipse (universe) "eclipse asks for manual creation of eclipseextension" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121411
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121412 in nautilus (main) "unknown popup when unmounting floppy" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121412
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121413 in firefox (universe) "eclipse reports memory corruption, crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121413
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121414 in gnome-themes (main) "Thin themed icons missing from gnome-theme-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121414
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #121415 in Ubuntu "[gutsy]  wireless doesn't work after booting with wireless switch off" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121415
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121416 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "suspend can take minutes with yenta_socket loaded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121416
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121417 in Ubuntu "USB IRDA - connection dies " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121417
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121420 in egroupware (universe) "Wishlist: New stable egroupware release available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121420
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121421 in Ubuntu "Bluetooth Error in Feisty Fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121421
[10:07] <pochu> bluekuja: the patch you added to tracker is wrong.
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121422 in Ubuntu "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121422
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121423 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "skge driver causes TCP download failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121423
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121424 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox crashes upon launch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121424
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121425 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV on close" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121425
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #121429 in nautilus (main) "I can't eject Iomega external HD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121429
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121418 in Ubuntu "Delete account" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121418
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #121433 in Ubuntu "drum sound at start up only sometimes works" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121433
[10:52] <calc> what should be done about auto-imported debian bugs?
[10:53] <calc> hmm this particular bug is a non-bug anyway so i can reject it
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121438 in banshee (universe) "Banshee crashs on start up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121438
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121439 in network-manager (main) "[Gutsy] Network Manager Applet can't connect wireless with ipw3945 driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121439
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #121440 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes while trying to save an MPEG file (Save Link)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121440
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #121441 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql-server-5.0: "replace" binary man page is non-free" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121441
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121146 in bzr-email "Feature Request: Allow more than one attempt to enter SMTP password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121146