[08:24] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[08:24] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu
[08:59] <coreymon77> man
[08:59] <coreymon77> the ubuntu community council meeting still hasnt been announced
[08:59] <coreymon77> ?
[08:59] <highvoltage> @schedule
[08:59] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 20 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu
[08:59] <coreymon77> ive looked
[10:00] <ogra> meep meep
[10:00] <willvdl> meep
[10:00] <ogra> lets keep this short today :)
[10:00] <willvdl> ++
[10:01] <ogra> soo, lets get started ?
[10:02] <stgraber> good evening
[10:02] <willvdl> ogra, shoot
[10:02] <sbalneav> Present, teacher
[10:02] <nixternal> howdy
[10:02] <ogra> well, my update is sitting mainly on planet.ubuntu.com  today :)
[10:02] <ogra> for tech that is
[10:03] <sbalneav> \o/ for us.
[10:03] <RichEd> hi sbalneav , nixternal , stgraber
[10:03] <cliebow_> yay
[10:03] <ogra> yeah, sbalneav did some awesome work on ldm the ast days
[10:03] <RichEd> and scot scot scottie !
[10:03] <ogra> he deserves a lot cheering :)
[10:04] <ogra> thats a milestone breakthrough in LTSP  ....
[10:04] <sbalneav> I have a help item for the end of the meeting.
[10:04] <ogra> gutsy will get *very* intresting
[10:04] <sbalneav> Danka schoen.
[10:05] <ogra> byond the ltsp work i didnt do much this week, we all were up to our sholders in the guts of ltsp during the last 5-10 days :)
[10:05] <ogra> LaserJock made his main dev application finally ...
[10:06] <ogra> he can upload to main now and already started working on stuff :)
[10:06] <cliebow_> bbiab
[10:07] <ogra> well, anyway, nothing else comes to mind for tech stuff this week ... the CDs seem to look fine atm ...
[10:07] <ogra> any questions for tech ?
[10:08] <ogra> oki, documentation
[10:08] <ogra> anyone ?
[10:09] <ogra> hmm, quiet today
[10:09] <sbalneav> Umm, I've been doing a bit of piddling with the new ltsp
[10:09] <willvdl> sorry
[10:09] <nixternal> has it been decided on how to move forward with the layout yet on docs? i.e. topic based help?
[10:09] <willvdl> the recipe page is up
[10:09] <sbalneav> nothing's been uploaded to the svn yet.
[10:09] <willvdl> ++ for laserjock's suggestion
[10:09] <willvdl> although the proof is in the pudding
[10:10] <willvdl> nixternal, not yet
[10:10] <willvdl> I put the discussion page on the wiki
[10:10] <willvdl> but we need to decide how to handle TBH versus Recipes versus Handbook
[10:10] <sbalneav> Mmmm, pudding.
[10:10] <nixternal> OK, what is the #1 item to get taken care of for docs at this time?
[10:10] <willvdl> nixternal, structure :|
[10:11] <willvdl> as we discussed last time, TBH for us versus Ubuntu is an interesting question
[10:12] <nixternal> true. any plans to pull recipes in as a doc that can be installed locally?
[10:12] <willvdl> nixternal, the idea is mainly to get recipes
[10:12] <nixternal> gotcha
[10:12] <willvdl> contribution is the biggest thing
[10:12] <willvdl> the FAQ page is having some success
[10:13] <willvdl> I think we all like the idea of the handbook being a TBH structure but we need to leverage a good doc base to do it
[10:14] <nixternal> do we have a list of items that need to be added to this doc base? I just don't want to wait until the last minute and have nothing to show when it comes to freeze time
[10:15] <nixternal> I feel this has happened for the past 2 releases now, although we at least had a little bit to show for Feisty thanks to LaserJock
[10:15] <willvdl> nixternal, no we don't. we need contribs
[10:15] <willvdl> and sbalnaev
[10:16] <nixternal> k, what needs to be contributed? I will leave ltsp stuff to sbalneav for 2 reasons, 1) I am ignorant when it comes to ltsp, and 2) sbalneav is the mastah :)
[10:16] <willvdl> nixternal, essentially we have  technical references i.e. ltsp, gui management tools and any other edubuntu specific config or usage stuff
[10:17] <LaserJock> blah, busy day, sorry I'm late
[10:17] <willvdl> and then we have recipes which look at best practices, use cases, experiences
[10:17] <nixternal> welcome LaserJock
[10:17] <willvdl> LaserJock, just in time :)
[10:17] <RichEd> hi TaserJock
[10:20] <willvdl> I'm not up to speed with the thin client gui stuff
[10:20] <ogra> there is no chaneg yet
[10:20] <ogra> *change
[10:21] <willvdl> ogra, or tcm
[10:21] <ogra> TCM is still the same as in feisty, cbx33 seems to have lost interest
[10:22] <willvdl> nixternal, the best I can offer at the mo is to grab from a pool of 3rd party docs and integrate
[10:22] <ogra> i will keep it updated if anything changes wrt dependencies, but wont add any code this release
[10:22] <ogra> so if nobody steps up it wont change
[10:22] <ogra> eyond that there is no ltsp gui stuff yet ...
[10:23] <willvdl> cool
[10:23] <ogra> i'm hoping to get some done this release, but there was more important low level stuff first
[10:23] <ogra> that will get documented along development
[10:24] <ogra> i'm also working on ldm translatability ... probably something to point out to the translators
[10:24] <willvdl> well, in a nutshell we have the recipes which we should push on the MLs
[10:24] <willvdl> IMHO
[10:24] <ogra> right
[10:24] <willvdl> it's our best bet
[10:25] <ogra> there is also this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-May/001059.html
[10:25] <willvdl> if folks can write up their configs/experiences etc. it is _very_ valuable
[10:25] <ogra> i was hoping for a community member to step up and sort it
[10:25] <willvdl> ogra, saw that and it is bookmarked
[10:25] <ogra> probably i wasnt clear enough in the mail, since nobody stepped up for it ...
[10:26] <willvdl> I want to handle it in an attempt to move those docs from wiki.edu.org to help.u.c
[10:26] <willvdl> but time...
[10:26] <ogra> willvdl, well, its a trivial task we should give to some new contributor
[10:26] <ogra> its good to find your way in ...
[10:26] <willvdl> shweet
[10:27] <willvdl> damn it, reminds me I didn't finalise the bite sized task page
[10:27] <willvdl> urk
[10:28] <willvdl> shall we move to the website?
[10:35] <ogra> sure
[10:35] <willvdl> highvoltage, you here?
[10:35] <ogra> even pips1 is missing today
[10:35] <willvdl> ogra, we had a small problem with the server
[10:35] <RichEd> willvdl: he went to bed about 45 mins ago (highvoltage)
[10:35] <willvdl> it was running breezy
[10:35] <ogra> ouch
[10:35] <ogra> thats bad ...
[10:35] <ogra> was it upgraded now ?
[10:36] <willvdl> is said theyd have it done by today
[10:36] <ogra> oki
[10:36] <willvdl> wanted to check with highvoltage since I was on a plane
[10:36] <willvdl> anyhoo. once we have a stable webserver
[10:36] <willvdl> we can introduce the new template
[10:36] <ogra> cool
[10:36] <willvdl> then we can update front page docs and references
[10:36] <willvdl> a HIGH priority
[10:36] <RichEd> good stuff ...
[10:36] <ogra> do we have a public preview of the new stuff ?
[10:36] <ogra> css etc ?
[10:36] <willvdl> don't know without pips1 or highvoltage. I know there is a sandbox somoewhere
[10:36] <ogra> ok, next week then
[10:36] <willvdl> same server as the beta community site
[10:36] <ogra> ah
[10:36] <willvdl> ogra, it is my priority for tomorrow :)
[10:36] <RichEd> On a related note, Gerry (canonical PRO) and Joe (external PRO) will speak to me about a general edubuntu marketing campaign / plan ... either tomorrow or next thursday during a con call.
[10:36] <ogra> cool
[10:36] <RichEd> So we can reuse the updated information we put together ...
[10:36] <willvdl> excellent
[10:36] <RichEd> Seems like some decent enquiries are now coming in from the US ...
[10:36] <RichEd> (that v!$st@ stuff seems to be makking people nervous)
[10:36] <ogra> is that gerry carr ?
[10:36] <RichEd> Yep ... Gerry Carr, and they use Joe Eckhart to manage the journalist enquiries
[10:36] <ogra> ah, very cool, we met at linuxtag in berlin
[10:36] <RichEd> Gerry is UK based (in the office) and Joe is US consultant
[10:37] <ogra> anything else for docs ?
[10:38] <ogra> seems not ...
[10:38] <willvdl> nope. going to push recipes on the ML :)
[10:38] <ogra> since we skipped artwork ... just pro-forma ... anything for artwork ?
[10:39] <willvdl> not from me
[10:39] <ogra> seems not either ...
[10:39] <ogra> well, moving on then ...
[10:39] <ogra> community ?
[10:39] <willvdl> Jordan ++
[10:39] <RichEd> pips1 has been working on the community site ... he and i spoke during the week
[10:39] <willvdl> LaserJock, ++ I mean
[10:40] <ogra> willvdl, yeah
[10:40] <RichEd> not much to report ... just that pips1 is soldiering on
[10:40] <ogra> our developer community has grown by 100% in main :)
[10:40] <ogra> (edubuntu develpper community)
[10:41] <RichEd> \o/
[10:41] <ogra> well ... i think RichEd already went ahead with marketing before ...
[10:42] <ogra> :)
[10:42] <ogra> anything to add ?
[10:42] <RichEd> On the Management Side ... been busy with:
[10:42] <RichEd>  1) Intel and the Classmate PC
[10:42] <RichEd>  2) Edulinux Moodle project
[10:42] <RichEd>  3) Objectives planning for next 6 months
[10:42] <RichEd> That's all ... behind the scenes stuff ...
[10:43] <ogra> great :)
[10:43] <RichEd> Not too much of interest, except that Intel are working closer and close with *buntu
[10:43] <willvdl> ogra, did you get the classmate wireless driver?
[10:43] <ogra> willvdl, nope, still waiting for BenC
[10:43] <willvdl> cool
[10:44] <ogra> i *have* a selfbuilt drive i use in the image, but it lacks network-manager support which Bens apparently has
[10:44] <ogra> *driver
[10:44] <ogra> willvdl, well, not really
[10:45] <ogra> if justin would be more push we'd have a prob
[10:45] <ogra> *pushy
[10:45] <RichEd> ogra: for once it is the "contract people" who have held things up ...
[10:46] <willvdl> ?
[10:46] <ogra> RichEd, well, i couldnt do much on the image for more than a wek now since that blocks me ...
[10:46] <RichEd> the work you have done and from ben is good faith ... still no paperwork to back it up
[10:46] <ogra> and the people who are in charge know that but still dont get their asses up
[10:46] <RichEd> ^ needs to be formalised really ... so we can allocate time
[10:48] <willvdl> ogra, did any of the Eduvision guys contact you about classmate image?
[10:48] <ogra> willvdl, nope
[10:49] <ogra> nothing apart from your mail wehre you CCed me
[10:49] <willvdl> okie. will ping them again on the side.
[10:49] <willvdl> will be interested to see what they did on Classmate
[10:49] <willvdl> better yet, local phone call :)
[10:51] <willvdl> shall we wrap up?
[10:52] <willvdl> I'd like to make an urgent call for documentation writers
[10:52] <LaserJock> I'm planning on pushing out an edubuntu-docs soonish
[10:52] <willvdl> all contribs welcome!
[10:52] <LaserJock> probably this evening after work
[10:52] <sbalneav> I'll get more doco done once devel slacks off a bit.
[10:52] <willvdl> LaserJock, as usual, you're my new best friend
[10:53] <ogra_> hrm
[10:53] <ogra_> LaserJock had an item for the agenda and i think we're done with the general stuff
[10:53] <LaserJock> right now I'm working on patching gnome-panel to not show About Ubuntu when About Edubuntu is installed
[10:53] <LaserJock> ogra_: I did?
[10:53] <sbalneav> I have an item, when we're done everything important.
[10:54] <ogra_> LaserJock, sorry mixed you with sbalneav ... you ook so similar you two ... i always mix yu up :P
[10:54] <willvdl> All these americans look aliek
[10:54] <LaserJock> ogra_: haha
[10:54] <sbalneav> LaserJock: I'm flattered, I think you should be insulted.
[10:54] <LaserJock> willvdl: heah, he's Canadian
[10:54] <sbalneav> AMERCIAN?!?!?!
[10:54] <LaserJock> we don't claim him
[10:54] <sbalneav> Puleeeez
[10:54] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:54] <willvdl> argh. oops
[10:54] <sbalneav> :)
[10:55] <sbalneav> ok, here's my question.
[10:55] <sbalneav> WHY ARE MY *&*&%@*^% BLOG POSTS ALWAYS SCREWED UP?
[10:55] <ogra_> are they ?
[10:55] <sbalneav> Can someone PLEASE tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[10:55] <sbalneav> Yes
[10:56] <RichEd> (and bad language)
[10:56] <ogra_> sbalneav, your clock on the server is wrong ?
[10:56] <sbalneav> it's like my entire blog entry's in the title?
[10:56] <sbalneav> I'm using the google bloggy thing.
[10:56] <ogra_> no idea about that
[10:56] <sbalneav> If someone can figure it out, there's a beer in it for them in Boston.
[10:56] <sbalneav> :)
[10:56] <ogra_> i use a totally outdated blosxom setup
[10:57] <willvdl> sbalneav, you mena fridge or planet or what?
[10:57] <sbalneav> On planet.
[10:57] <ogra_> and add my entries with vi as .txt files ot the data dir ...
[10:57] <ogra_> so dont ask me about blogging :)
[10:57] <RichEd> sbalneav: ask nixternal ? he's a fridge editor ?
[10:57] <sbalneav> nixternal: any idears?
[10:57] <willvdl> and LaserJock ...
[10:58] <willvdl> folks, shattered. going to bed. will pop minutes up tomorrow
[10:58] <sbalneav> I'm getting frightened of LaserJock.  I mean, he's now more powerful than Ollie.
[10:58] <nixternal> huh?
[10:58] <RichEd> or better still ... ask as a comment in your next post ... mention that you don't know why _xyz_ happens ... and offer that beer to the floor ?
[10:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I think not
[10:58] <sbalneav> I mean, they're both able to commit to main, but LaserJock's got access to Lasers as well.
[10:58] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I'm eeeeevvvverywhere
[10:59] <sbalneav> Main + Lasers = a force to be reckoned with.
[10:59] <willvdl> but does he have access to shark's with laserbeams on their frikkin heads?
[10:59] <LaserJock> of course
[10:59] <sbalneav> All he needs is a shark
[10:59] <willvdl> seabass will do
[10:59] <willvdl> illtempered of course
[11:00] <sbalneav> A very annoyed mackeral will do.
[11:00] <LaserJock> I'm doing an interdisciplinary reasearch study with an aquatic mammals group in the Biology dept.
[11:00] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:00] <sbalneav> lol
[11:00] <RichEd> LaserJock: is that how the mermaid abuse rumours got started ?
[11:00] <ogra_> lol
[11:01] <sbalneav> nixternal: my blog posts on planet are always mucked up
[11:01] <sbalneav> Something with the googly blogger thingymadoodle.
[11:01] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:01] <LaserJock> RichEd: I plead the 5th
[11:01] <willvdl> LaserJock, mackeral are hardly "nerdly", just "misunderstood"
[11:02] <nixternal> there is no telling with the planet
[11:02] <ogra_> to me it looks as if the clock is totally wrong first place ...
[11:02] <ogra_> scotty post was after mine but shows up way below
[11:02] <ogra_> *scotties post
[11:02] <sbalneav> Well, between my mucked up posts, and Scott James Remnant randomly re-posting every blog entry he's ever made, it makes for interesting reading :)
[11:03] <sbalneav> Yeah, I notice that.
[11:03] <ogra_> sbalneav, thats a bug of his blog software
[11:03] <sbalneav> Probably have to set a timezone somewhere.
[11:03] <LaserJock> I use wordpress.com and everything works wonderfully
[11:03] <ogra_> LaserJock, how boring
[11:04] <LaserJock> I know
[11:04] <LaserJock> I even migrated the blog
[11:04] <LaserJock> and it "Just Worked"
[11:04] <ogra_> bah
[11:05] <ogra_> anyway, anything else for the meeting ?
[11:05] <ogra_> going once ...
[11:05] <LaserJock> not particularly
[11:06] <ogra_> going twwwwice ...
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'll try to flex my new found powers this week
[11:06] <sbalneav> Can I be dismissed, teacher?
[11:06] <ogra_> adjourned ...
[11:06] <ogra_> !!
[11:06] <RichEd> thanks all
[11:06] <ogra_> thanks all
[11:06] <RichEd> have a good one
[11:06] <sbalneav> Bitte schoen
[11:06] <ogra_> you too
[11:07] <LaserJock> sbalneav: that's how it's spelled?
[11:07] <sbalneav> Well, it should be schon with an umlaut over the o
[11:07] <willvdl> sbalneav, buy a donkey
[11:07] <sbalneav> But when I turn my : key sideways, it doesn't work.
[11:07] <ogra> LaserJock, oe is the proper way to write 
[11:08] <RichEd> sbalneav: try harder ... twist your head perhaps ?
[11:08] <sbalneav> yeah, that thing.
[11:08] <willvdl> loose translation for "baie dankie"
[11:08] <RichEd> goodnight
[11:08] <sbalneav> Night
[11:08] <willvdl> sbalneav, you've got to turn your monitor with it
[11:08] <ogra> night
[11:08] <sbalneav> Ohhh, THAT's what I'm doing wrong.
[11:08] <LaserJock> phew
[11:09] <LaserJock> and they let you code?
[11:09] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:09] <sbalneav> Yes, apparently.
[11:09] <sbalneav> No accounting for taste.
[11:09] <sbalneav> :)