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=== Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: Mythbuntu Alpha 1: http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV" | ||
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superm1_ | jetsaredim, woah | 07:47 |
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superm1_ | this isn't good | 07:47 |
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superm1_ | jetsaredim, you might look here too http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275350 | 07:51 |
OpenMedia | Hmm. Looks like there is room for a commercial service. | 08:07 |
superm1_ | i wonder what a fair price point would be then | 08:13 |
OpenMedia | I've discussed that for people here in NZ, and most consider $0.00 a fair price for EPG data. | 08:39 |
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ubotu | New bug: #119212 in restricted-manager (main) "gutsy: restricted-manager crashed with IndexError in enable() (dup-of: 119562)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119212 | 11:41 |
ubotu | New bug: #121045 in restricted-manager (main) "restricted-manager crashed with IndexError in _mod_enabled() (dup-of: 119562)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121045 | 12:05 |
laga | re | 02:36 |
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superm1 | g'morning kids | 05:18 |
laga | morning dad | 05:19 |
laga | daddy, look at this: | 05:19 |
laga | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3322 | 05:19 |
laga | ^^ we should watch out for that. i dunno if it happens for us, though | 05:19 |
DaveMorris | whats mythwelcome? | 05:20 |
rogue780 | superm1, I figured out what the problem with mythbuntu on my sempron box was | 05:22 |
superm1 | laga, thinking about it. | 05:22 |
superm1 | rogue780, what was it? | 05:22 |
rogue780 | the burner I was using is crap | 05:23 |
laga | DaveMorris: it's a frontend for the whole acpi/nvram-wakeup stuff, so to speak | 05:23 |
rogue780 | I think | 05:23 |
rogue780 | I'm gonna test it out in a little bit | 05:23 |
superm1 | rogue780, there should be an ISO generated from last night | 05:23 |
superm1 | i haven't tested it yet, but it should good to go | 05:23 |
rogue780 | but same issue with the kubuntu dvd. it wouldn't boot right so I burned it from another computer and it worked fine. gonna download new mythbuntu build and try it out | 05:24 |
superm1 | laga I think this should stick to a WONTFIX for us too, because someone using mythbuntu wouldn't be using gnome | 05:25 |
superm1 | and most people using mythwelcome wont be in gnome | 05:25 |
laga | ok | 05:25 |
superm1 | laga, did you take your final yet? | 05:25 |
laga | yes | 05:25 |
laga | 4 out of 15 points. :) | 05:25 |
superm1 | well then your done, go drink some freedom :) | 05:26 |
laga | i already had some canned freedom but i had to stay sober enough to get my results :) | 05:26 |
superm1 | ah | 05:26 |
superm1 | so mythweb htaccess then now......? :) | 05:26 |
laga | yup | 05:27 |
laga | i have to play with kmediafactory first, though. :) | 05:27 |
superm1 | whats that? | 05:27 |
laga | it's a very simple dvd-making thingamajic. it can even use projectx automatically to take care of damaged DVB recordings | 05:28 |
laga | http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/damu0/software/kmediafactory/screenshots.html | 05:28 |
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superm1 | ah looks pretty neat | 05:30 |
laga | yup | 05:30 |
superm1 | i just realized yesterday that mytharchive could archive anything - not just recordings. so I spit SiCKO at it, and burned it to DVD format, and it re-encoded and all | 05:30 |
laga | yup | 05:31 |
laga | mytharchive is nice, but it can be rather buggy | 05:31 |
laga | and mythtranscode doesn't cope as well with broken DVB recordings as porjectx does | 05:31 |
superm1 | even after a mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode? | 05:31 |
laga | that part will give you most of the trouble :) | 05:32 |
superm1 | because i get the same problem with my HD recordings, and mpeg2->mpeg2 cleans it up | 05:32 |
superm1 | at least on -fixes... | 05:32 |
laga | mpeg2->mpeg2 can fix some errors, yes, but projectx tends to do a better job here | 05:34 |
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laga | it'd be nice | 05:36 |
superm1 | well i can only assume that the guys who focus on mythtranscode have looked at the projectx code | 05:36 |
superm1 | for ideas | 05:36 |
laga | AFAIK, cutting in projectx isn't as accurate as in mythtranscode. but i don't care if i lose a few frames here andb there. scorpi made a script that can be used as a drop-in replacement for mythtranscode --mpeg2, it'll use projectx | 05:37 |
superm1 | well thats pretty neat | 05:37 |
superm1 | his script feeds it a cutlist and all? | 05:37 |
laga | i think so, yup | 05:38 |
laga | oh | 05:38 |
laga | it's not a replacement | 05:38 |
laga | but still nifty | 05:38 |
laga | http://home.arcor.de/scorpidnb/mythtv/mythcutprojectx | 05:38 |
laga | he's on freenode, too | 05:39 |
superm1 | looks pretty innovative. and it appears that it will even rebuild the frame list for myth for skipping around and such | 05:40 |
laga | it's one of those things that should go into contrib/ | 05:42 |
superm1 | is it going to ? | 05:42 |
superm1 | is there a bug opened for it at least | 05:42 |
laga | i don't know | 05:42 |
laga | let's see | 05:42 |
laga | no, doesn't look like it | 05:49 |
superm1 | well i say get it added in then and file a bug :) | 05:57 |
laga | it'd need some work before it could be committed | 05:59 |
laga | kmediafactory seems to be working for me. finally. | 05:59 |
superm1 | :) | 05:59 |
laga | should be faster than mytharchive | 05:59 |
superm1 | does it do re-encoding natively? Or still rely on third party utilities? | 06:00 |
laga | i don't know if it actually re-encodes. :) | 06:01 |
laga | i just hope my dvb recordings are DVD compliant.. which they are not sometimes | 06:01 |
superm1 | see my only thing is my HD recordings, I dont want them at DVD resolution | 06:02 |
superm1 | its such a loss | 06:02 |
laga | don't put them on a video DVD then :) | 06:02 |
superm1 | I don't. Native mytharchive format, or just a file on a DVD burned via nerolinux usually | 06:02 |
laga | nerolinux? why is that? | 06:03 |
superm1 | it does UDF | 06:03 |
superm1 | so my files can be > 4 GB | 06:03 |
laga | ah, are you using DL dvds? | 06:03 |
superm1 | well I try to make them fit on SL by cutting out commercials, credits, and unnecessary scenes - like a zoom in from far away with some boring music | 06:04 |
superm1 | or something to taht effect | 06:04 |
laga | DL is expensive... | 06:04 |
superm1 | but i've got a few that are still >4.38 | 06:04 |
laga | tcrequant? | 06:04 |
laga | vamps? | 06:04 |
superm1 | what do those do? | 06:04 |
laga | (no, i don't know how to use them) | 06:04 |
laga | the requantisize the mpeg to make it smaller | 06:05 |
laga | much faster than transcoding | 06:05 |
superm1 | at a cost of quality though? | 06:05 |
laga | and no, i dont know how requantifoo works | 06:05 |
laga | yup, but it's not that bad IMHO | 06:05 |
superm1 | I will for sure look at those at some point then | 06:05 |
superm1 | I toyed with mpeg2/ac3-> h264/ac3 transcode | 06:06 |
laga | that's got to be slow | 06:06 |
superm1 | and had some *amazing* video quality | 06:06 |
superm1 | but couldnt keep AV in sync | 06:06 |
superm1 | at least not on linux, I had a mac buddy and windows buddy that used VLC on windows/mac and they both played it perfectly | 06:06 |
superm1 | my 42 min long recordings were sitting a 1GB w/ a 1920x540p image | 06:07 |
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laga | well, h.264 didn't make the picture look better i guess :) | 06:08 |
superm1 | well actually - | 06:09 |
superm1 | when I did that transcode, I deinterlaced too | 06:09 |
superm1 | originally a 1920x1080i image | 06:09 |
laga | depends on the algorithm then and it shouldn't matter on a HD set :) | 06:09 |
superm1 | I forget what algorithm i was using when I did it via ffmpeg. But when I do it during ordinary playback (pre transcode), I use bob | 06:10 |
laga | bob is nice, it preservers temporal resolution | 06:10 |
laga | i try not to deinterlace at all | 06:10 |
superm1 | on my TV. It gives pretty good results usually | 06:10 |
superm1 | well i've got a progressive tv | 06:11 |
superm1 | so interlaced content isn't very friendly otherwise | 06:11 |
laga | but since i have DVB now and not all recordings are full PAL resolution, i can't keep using my PAL modeline stuff w/o deinterlacing. mythtv-vid branch might help | 06:11 |
superm1 | why did you need to use a modeline for PAL? | 06:12 |
laga | superm1: you don't have to deinterlace if you match the refresh rate of the display to the video | 06:12 |
superm1 | oh on an interlaced TV you don't | 06:13 |
superm1 | that's pretty neat. Had no idea | 06:13 |
laga | no | 06:13 |
superm1 | just in general? | 06:14 |
laga | unless the tv-out encoder breaks $things. they seem to have their own idea about video timing and field order which doesn't have to be connected to the modeline in any way ;) | 06:14 |
laga | why did i just say "no"? i have no clue, please disregard | 06:14 |
superm1 | mkay. laga has gone crazy... | 06:15 |
laga | i was outputting directly from VGA to the RGB input of my TV. quality was great. | 06:15 |
superm1 | RGB=component input? | 06:15 |
laga | that way, you have total control over the video timing | 06:15 |
superm1 | I thought component is YpYbYr | 06:15 |
laga | nom RGB=something only available on SCART inputs in europe (and japan, afaik) | 06:15 |
superm1 | ah | 06:16 |
laga | http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html | 06:16 |
laga | ^^ works quite well although i have to re-do my cable. i'm not great at soldering. | 06:16 |
laga | it looks like i won't be having a dedicated frontend. my main box will be connected to the TV using the second VGA head. | 06:17 |
laga | uses less power that way :) | 06:17 |
superm1 | but then you have to mess with some focus issues | 06:17 |
superm1 | you'll see | 06:17 |
superm1 | pretty neat howto there | 06:18 |
laga | focus issues? regarding keyboard? | 06:18 |
laga | i can still run two separate X servers.. i think :) | 06:18 |
superm1 | well if mythfrontend isn't focused in front, many dialogs aren't accessible | 06:18 |
superm1 | so you can still use a lirc basd remote | 06:19 |
superm1 | but you'll run into a few oddities like that | 06:19 |
superm1 | if doing it in metacity with sep. X 'screens', metacity automatically gives focus to whatever screen your mouse is on | 06:19 |
laga | right now, i'm using two different "screens"; they're independent but i could map them using the "screen 1 leftof screen 2" stuff in serverlayout | 06:19 |
superm1 | so it can just be a matter of moving the mouse over when yo uwant to watch TV | 06:19 |
laga | heh | 06:20 |
superm1 | for a bit thats what i had to do | 06:20 |
laga | i hate how the mouse would disappear on the left side of the screen | 06:20 |
superm1 | well put it somewhere you don't go a lot | 06:20 |
superm1 | like the bottom | 06:20 |
laga | there's got to be a solution that doesn't suck :) | 06:20 |
superm1 | x2x | 06:21 |
superm1 | only start it when you need it | 06:21 |
superm1 | and connect the 2 X displays via it | 06:21 |
laga | i'll be using a lirc based remote and a normal IR keyboard. i jsut have to configure X correctly | 06:21 |
superm1 | if you do happen to get the 2 X 'servers' method to work though, I would like to hear about that | 06:21 |
laga | do you have if it's possible to run two separate X servers... heheh | 06:21 |
laga | ok :) | 06:21 |
superm1 | i'm imagining you would do one with normal /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gdm | 06:22 |
superm1 | and then the other would be a sep. init script that you started | 06:22 |
superm1 | that used a custom xorg.conf | 06:22 |
superm1 | to be sure not to access the same hardware (mouse keyboard etc) | 06:22 |
laga | yes | 06:23 |
laga | i just wonder if they can share the same vga card | 06:23 |
laga | (nvidia( | 06:23 |
superm1 | but again, i'm not sure if you can split up a dual headed card like that | 06:23 |
superm1 | pretty doubtful | 06:23 |
superm1 | there was a post on nvnews.net | 06:23 |
superm1 | about it sometime back | 06:23 |
laga | ah | 06:23 |
laga | gotta check that | 06:23 |
superm1 | if my memory serves me right, I commented in it too | 06:23 |
Xenocide | yo superm1 | 06:37 |
superm1 | hey Xenocide | 06:38 |
Xenocide | i have a lead on a job at ibm | 06:38 |
Xenocide | doing ANT scripts | 06:38 |
superm1 | for this summer yet? | 06:38 |
Xenocide | yup | 06:39 |
superm1 | wow vg | 06:39 |
superm1 | with what group? | 06:39 |
Xenocide | under my girlfriends dad, he works on tivoli | 06:39 |
superm1 | ah | 06:39 |
Xenocide | i messed up though, sent in one resume, and i had to send a second one | 06:39 |
Xenocide | because the first one i wrote in OO, and i opened it in word and the formatting was all off | 06:40 |
Xenocide | so i look like an idiot | 06:40 |
superm1 | should do it as PDF | 06:40 |
superm1 | when you send it | 06:40 |
superm1 | generally | 06:40 |
Xenocide | yea i thought about that later | 06:40 |
superm1 | its a more accepted format | 06:40 |
Xenocide | hopefully that doesnt' kill it | 06:42 |
Xenocide | looking like i ahd to send two | 06:42 |
superm1 | if its your lady's dad, i'd say probably no | 06:42 |
Xenocide | well obviously he had to send them to someone else | 06:43 |
Xenocide | he said it was his peer manager | 06:43 |
Xenocide | i don't know how ibm is organized | 06:43 |
Xenocide | no he loves me | 06:43 |
superm1 | pm me what his name is and who he had to send it to. I can tell you how they are organized | 06:43 |
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kruuli | elo | 08:05 |
DaveMorris | evening | 08:05 |
kruuli | my problem seems special .. cant find anyone who has the same or something similar :p | 08:09 |
DaveMorris | try the unichrome drivers that are in the repo's | 08:10 |
kruuli | kk | 08:11 |
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DaveMorris | superm1: you thing which ckecks if your in the mythtv group comes up when your logged in as the mythtv user! | 08:58 |
Daviey | superm1: hey, do you have mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz anywhere? | 09:13 |
rogue780 | anyone knwo if the new mythbuntu build is based on gutsy or feisty? | 09:14 |
Daviey | DaveMorris: did you document your migration method? ie backup db etc? | 09:14 |
Daviey | rogue780: brand new one is gutsy | 09:14 |
Daviey | or at least the dev branch is now gutsy | 09:14 |
rogue780 | when I try to boot w/the new build (well none of the builds worked...but this gave me an error at least) it says the following: | 10:13 |
rogue780 | * Preparing restricted drivers... [OK] | 10:13 |
rogue780 | * Starting basic networking ...[OK] | 10:13 |
rogue780 | * Starting kernel event manager... [OK] | 10:13 |
rogue780 | * Loading hardware drivers...[Failed] | 10:13 |
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DaveMorris | Daviey: I never migrated really, I jsut stuck a new drive in, copyed over the recordings, then mounted in in the same place | 10:42 |
Daviey | :`( | 10:42 |
Daviey | i want a fresh install - but scared :) | 10:43 |
Daviey | i now have limted spare hd's - there was a time i would just chuck another in there | 10:43 |
Daviey | and keep the old as reference/backup | 10:43 |
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DaveMorris | http://graphics.stanford.edu/~monzy/DramainthePhD.mp3 <-- funny | 11:13 |
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Daviey | DaveMorris: can't listen atm; will do tho - thanks | 11:16 |
superm1 | rogue780, I'll try the new build as soon as I get home. That shouldn't be coming up :( | 11:38 |
superm1 | DaveMorris, is the mythtv user in the mythtv group? | 11:38 |
superm1 | :) | 11:38 |
superm1 | Daviey, it should be on revu | 11:38 |
superm1 | Daviey, looks like someone cleaned up revu and pulled it off | 11:40 |
superm1 | thats a huge shame | 11:40 |
superm1 | i dont know that I still have it. Once you took over i'm pretty sure I rm'ed it | 11:40 |
superm1 | keescook, did you get to look over the changes on the two bzr branches for mythtv and mythplugins as of yet? | 11:40 |
Daviey | superm1: no worries | 11:42 |
Daviey | orig is still there; wgettting that | 11:42 |
Daviey | but 10K/s :( | 11:42 |
superm1 | on revu? | 11:42 |
Daviey | yeah | 11:42 |
superm1 | i dont even see it on archived uploads | 11:42 |
Daviey | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/mythtv-themes-unofficial-0705111500/mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz | 11:42 |
keescook | superm1: sorry, I'm a terrible slacker. :) please do keep pinging me, but I'm still pretty swamped | 11:43 |
superm1 | oh lucky | 11:43 |
superm1 | vergy good | 11:43 |
Daviey | taking hours! | 11:43 |
superm1 | keescook, :) | 11:43 |
Daviey | Do i need to apply each diff; or just the latest? | 11:43 |
superm1 | just the latest | 11:43 |
Daviey | nice :) | 11:44 |
superm1 | well latest diff.tar.gz | 11:44 |
superm1 | that is | 11:44 |
superm1 | not just "debdiff" | 11:44 |
Daviey | oh | 11:44 |
superm1 | nonetheless - the latest should be there too | 11:45 |
Daviey | so http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5114 - mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 11:45 |
Daviey | ? | 11:45 |
superm1 | should be it | 11:45 |
superm1 | if thats the latest | 11:45 |
Daviey | think so | 11:46 |
Daviey | patch mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz < mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz ? | 11:46 |
Daviey | download just finished.. took nearly 3 hrs >:( | 11:47 |
superm1 | wow | 11:47 |
superm1 | well its for reasons like that to break it up i guess | 11:48 |
superm1 | into many packages | 11:48 |
Daviey | yeah | 11:48 |
superm1 | like i said, see my packaging for mythbuntu-gdm-theme using cdbs | 11:48 |
superm1 | it makes lots of sense to use cdbs for something like this | 11:48 |
DaveMorris | not sure, but it should be the onwer off, it was created by mythtv on a previous install | 11:48 |
superm1 | DaveMorris, that message should only come up if the user mythtv isn't in the group | 11:49 |
superm1 | which is a pretty weird situation nonetheless.... | 11:49 |
Daviey | superm1: patch $orig < *diff.gz didn't work | 11:49 |
superm1 | Daviey, | 11:50 |
superm1 | dpkg-source -x | 11:50 |
superm1 | *dsc | 11:50 |
DaveMorris | ok, mythtv users wasn't in the mythtv group | 11:50 |
superm1 | DaveMorris, any idea why? | 11:50 |
DaveMorris | however the onwer for the files is mythtv | 11:50 |
DaveMorris | poss coz I've had mythtv setup for 8 months or so and its been an upgrade | 11:50 |
superm1 | hm | 11:50 |
DaveMorris | you think we can use https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ for mythbuntu? | 11:50 |
superm1 | even so, edgy packages should have handled that | 11:51 |
superm1 | looks interesting DaveMorris | 11:51 |
superm1 | you know how its run? | 11:51 |
superm1 | or who runs it? | 11:51 |
Daviey | superm1: that worked, thanks | 11:51 |
DaveMorris | just found a link to it from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Procedures (at the bottom) | 11:51 |
superm1 | ah | 11:51 |
DaveMorris | can someone proof read http://www.mythbuntu.org/gettinginvolved and http://www.mythbuntu.org/testingreporting for me please | 11:57 |
Daviey | gettinginvolved looks sane | 11:59 |
Daviey | erm; any news on our mailinglist? | 11:59 |
superm1 | the last i heard of it was shuttleworth saying that a new system for mailing lists is coming in 6 months | 12:00 |
superm1 | but no other luck | 12:00 |
Daviey | wtf | 12:00 |
Daviey | We won't add significant load to the current system! | 12:01 |
superm1 | well the new system is based off LP | 12:01 |
superm1 | i guess | 12:01 |
Daviey | ah | 12:01 |
superm1 | and it makes it easy for any team to make a list | 12:01 |
superm1 | not that its a difficult procedure for them to just do this for us already | 12:01 |
Daviey | that being the case; we need to set up @mythbuntu.org ML | 12:02 |
superm1 | i dont know what the appropriate thing to do at this point is | 12:02 |
Daviey | imbrandon: ping | 12:02 |
imbrandon | Daviey: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 12:02 |
superm1 | did imbrandon ever get the multi alias stuff setup? | 12:02 |
Daviey | he has a new toy eh? | 12:02 |
DaveMorris | can I send via my mythbuntu addy? | 12:02 |
superm1 | yes | 12:02 |
Daviey | DaveMorris: yeah, just spoof using your client | 12:02 |
superm1 | gmail makes spoofing each (TM) | 12:03 |
Daviey | really?! | 12:03 |
superm1 | as long as you prove you own the spoofed address that is :) | 12:03 |
Daviey | ah | 12:03 |
DaveMorris | how can I spoof in thunderbird then? | 12:04 |
Daviey | when i was at uni i sent a spoofed email to a friend telling him he was kicked off the course. I justified it, and he believed it :) | 12:04 |
superm1 | haha | 12:04 |
Daviey | DaveMorris: just change the from address in the account settings | 12:05 |
reclusivemonkey | Daviey: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals, working on different aspects of the distribution, giving advice and technical support, and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience. Should read: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals working on different aspects of the distribution giving advice, technical support and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience. | 12:05 |
Daviey | or better, make a new one based off your current smtp settings and change the from address. | 12:05 |
Daviey | reclusivemonkey: thanks | 12:05 |
Daviey | DaveMorris: that way you can use the pull down to select who it is from :) | 12:06 |
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reclusivemonkey | Daviey: Lose the second comma in the Documentation paragraph as well. Periods on the end of all the paragraphs and then its fine =] | 12:07 |
DaveMorris | Daviey: you changing the page or shall I? | 12:07 |
Daviey | reclusivemonkey: i think you want to direct it to DaveMorris :) | 12:07 |
reclusivemonkey | whoops, sorry my bad Daviey | 12:07 |
Daviey | DaveMorris: you might aswell :) | 12:07 |
Daviey | reclusivemonkey: np | 12:07 |
Daviey | afkb for 10 | 12:08 |
DaveMorris | thanks reclusivemonkey | 12:09 |
reclusivemonkey | DaveMorris: np. On the testing page, on the Downloading images, "Once download check the md5sum!" should be "downloaded" | 12:09 |
reclusivemonkey | All reads pretty well. Can I ask if anyone here has any experience of using iMon products with MythTV? | 12:12 |
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DaveMorris | afraid not | 12:13 |
reclusivemonkey | I have a one year old son and he seems to be constantly drawn to the IR keyboard! | 12:15 |
Daviey | why are children attracted to the power button? grr | 12:22 |
Daviey | superm1: you've heard about zap2it? | 12:24 |
Daviey | will that cause you problems? | 12:24 |
reclusivemonkey | Daviey: I can have at least 100 toys in the living room, and he'll go straight towards what he's not supposed to touch! | 12:25 |
Daviey | yep.. there's been a recent disscusion about this on my LoCo mailing list. | 12:26 |
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Daviey | i'm so cruel | 12:26 |
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