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=== Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: Mythbuntu Alpha 1: http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV"
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superm1_jetsaredim, woah07:47
superm1_this isn't good07:47
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superm1_jetsaredim, you might look here too http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/27535007:51
OpenMediaHmm. Looks like there is room for a commercial service.08:07
superm1_i wonder what a fair price point would be then08:13
OpenMediaI've discussed that for people here in NZ, and most consider $0.00 a fair price for EPG  data.08:39
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ubotuNew bug: #119212 in restricted-manager (main) "gutsy: restricted-manager crashed with IndexError in enable() (dup-of: 119562)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11921211:41
ubotuNew bug: #121045 in restricted-manager (main) "restricted-manager crashed with IndexError in _mod_enabled() (dup-of: 119562)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12104512:05
lagare02:36
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superm1g'morning kids05:18
lagamorning dad05:19
lagadaddy, look at this:05:19
lagahttp://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/332205:19
laga^^ we should watch out for that. i dunno if it happens for us, though05:19
DaveMorriswhats mythwelcome?05:20
rogue780superm1, I figured out what the problem with mythbuntu on my sempron box was05:22
superm1laga, thinking about it.05:22
superm1rogue780, what was it?05:22
rogue780the burner I was using is crap05:23
lagaDaveMorris: it's a frontend for the whole acpi/nvram-wakeup stuff, so to speak05:23
rogue780I think05:23
rogue780I'm gonna test it out in a little bit05:23
superm1rogue780, there should be an ISO generated from last night05:23
superm1i haven't tested it yet, but it should good to go05:23
rogue780but same issue with the kubuntu dvd. it wouldn't boot right so I burned it from another computer and it worked fine. gonna download new mythbuntu build and try it out05:24
superm1laga I think this should stick to a WONTFIX for us too, because someone using mythbuntu wouldn't be using gnome05:25
superm1and most people using mythwelcome wont be in gnome05:25
lagaok05:25
superm1laga, did you take your final yet?05:25
lagayes05:25
laga4 out of 15 points. :)05:25
superm1well then your done, go drink some freedom :)05:26
lagai already had some canned freedom but i had to stay sober enough to get my results :)05:26
superm1ah05:26
superm1so mythweb htaccess then now......?  :)05:26
lagayup05:27
lagai have to play with kmediafactory first, though. :)05:27
superm1whats that?05:27
lagait's a very simple dvd-making thingamajic. it can even use projectx automatically to take care of damaged DVB recordings05:28
lagahttp://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/damu0/software/kmediafactory/screenshots.html05:28
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superm1ah looks pretty neat05:30
lagayup05:30
superm1i just realized yesterday that mytharchive could archive anything - not just recordings.  so I spit SiCKO at it, and burned it to DVD format, and it re-encoded and all05:30
lagayup05:31
lagamytharchive is nice, but it can be rather buggy05:31
lagaand mythtranscode doesn't cope as well with broken DVB recordings as porjectx does05:31
superm1even after a mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode?05:31
lagathat part will give you most of the trouble :)05:32
superm1because i get the same problem with my HD recordings, and mpeg2->mpeg2 cleans it up05:32
superm1at least on -fixes...05:32
lagampeg2->mpeg2 can fix some errors, yes, but projectx tends to do a better job here05:34
=== superm1 thinks to himself how humorous it would be if projectx and mythtranscode used a common code base to do their jobs (or at least equivalent algorithms considering projectx is java)
lagait'd be nice05:36
superm1well i can only assume that the guys who focus on mythtranscode have looked at the projectx code05:36
superm1for ideas05:36
lagaAFAIK, cutting in projectx isn't as accurate as in mythtranscode. but i don't care if i lose a few frames here andb there. scorpi made a script that can be used as a drop-in replacement for mythtranscode --mpeg2, it'll use projectx05:37
superm1well thats pretty neat05:37
superm1his script feeds it a cutlist and all?05:37
lagai think so, yup05:38
lagaoh05:38
lagait's not a replacement05:38
lagabut still nifty05:38
lagahttp://home.arcor.de/scorpidnb/mythtv/mythcutprojectx05:38
lagahe's on freenode, too05:39
superm1looks pretty innovative.  and it appears that it will even rebuild the frame list for myth for skipping around and such05:40
lagait's one of those things that should go into contrib/05:42
superm1is it going to ?05:42
superm1is there a bug opened for it at least05:42
lagai don't know05:42
lagalet's see05:42
lagano, doesn't look like it05:49
superm1well i say get it added in then and file a bug :)05:57
lagait'd need some work before it could be committed05:59
lagakmediafactory seems to be working for me. finally.05:59
superm1:)05:59
lagashould be faster than mytharchive05:59
superm1does it do re-encoding natively?  Or still rely on third party utilities?06:00
lagai don't know if it actually re-encodes. :)06:01
lagai just hope my dvb recordings are DVD compliant.. which they are not sometimes06:01
superm1see my only thing is my HD recordings, I dont want them at DVD resolution06:02
superm1its such a loss06:02
lagadon't put them on a video DVD then :)06:02
superm1I don't.  Native mytharchive format, or just a file on a DVD burned via nerolinux usually06:02
laganerolinux? why is that?06:03
superm1it does UDF06:03
superm1so my files can be > 4 GB06:03
lagaah, are you using DL dvds?06:03
superm1well I try to make them fit on SL by cutting out commercials, credits, and unnecessary scenes - like a zoom in from far away with some boring music06:04
superm1or something to taht effect06:04
lagaDL is expensive...06:04
superm1but i've got a few that are still >4.3806:04
lagatcrequant?06:04
lagavamps?06:04
superm1what do those do?06:04
laga(no, i don't know how to use them)06:04
lagathe requantisize the mpeg to make it smaller06:05
lagamuch faster than transcoding06:05
superm1at a cost of quality though?06:05
lagaand no, i dont know how requantifoo works06:05
lagayup, but it's not that bad IMHO06:05
superm1I will for sure look at those at some point then06:05
superm1I toyed with mpeg2/ac3-> h264/ac3 transcode06:06
lagathat's got to be slow06:06
superm1and had some *amazing* video quality06:06
superm1but couldnt keep AV in sync06:06
superm1at least not on linux, I had a mac buddy and windows buddy that used VLC on windows/mac and they both played it perfectly06:06
superm1my 42 min long recordings were sitting a 1GB w/ a 1920x540p image06:07
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lagawell, h.264 didn't make the picture look better i guess :)06:08
superm1well actually -06:09
superm1when I did that transcode, I deinterlaced too06:09
superm1originally a 1920x1080i image06:09
lagadepends on the algorithm then and it shouldn't matter on a HD set :)06:09
superm1I forget what algorithm i was using when I did it via ffmpeg.  But when I do it during ordinary playback (pre transcode), I use bob06:10
lagabob is nice, it preservers temporal resolution06:10
lagai try not to deinterlace at all06:10
superm1on my TV.  It gives pretty good results usually06:10
superm1well i've got a progressive tv06:11
superm1so interlaced content isn't very friendly otherwise06:11
lagabut since i have DVB now and not all recordings are full PAL resolution, i can't keep using my PAL modeline stuff w/o deinterlacing. mythtv-vid branch might help06:11
superm1why did you need to use a modeline for PAL?06:12
lagasuperm1: you don't have to deinterlace if you match the refresh rate of the display to the video06:12
superm1oh on an interlaced TV you don't06:13
superm1that's pretty neat.  Had no idea06:13
lagano06:13
superm1just in general?06:14
lagaunless the tv-out encoder breaks $things. they seem to have their own idea about video timing and field order which doesn't have to be connected to the modeline in any way ;)06:14
lagawhy did i just say "no"? i have no clue, please disregard06:14
superm1mkay.  laga has gone crazy...06:15
lagai was outputting directly from VGA to the RGB input of my TV. quality was great.06:15
superm1RGB=component input?06:15
lagathat way, you have total control over the video timing06:15
superm1I thought component is YpYbYr06:15
laganom RGB=something only available on SCART inputs in europe (and japan, afaik)06:15
superm1ah06:16
lagahttp://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html06:16
laga^^ works quite well although i have to re-do my cable. i'm not great at soldering.06:16
lagait looks like i won't be having a dedicated frontend. my main box will be connected to the TV using the second VGA head.06:17
lagauses less power that way :)06:17
superm1but then you have to mess with some focus issues06:17
superm1you'll see06:17
superm1pretty neat howto there06:18
lagafocus issues? regarding keyboard?06:18
lagai can still run two separate X servers.. i think :)06:18
superm1well if mythfrontend isn't focused in front, many dialogs aren't accessible06:18
superm1so you can still use a lirc basd remote06:19
superm1but you'll run into a few oddities like that06:19
superm1if doing it in metacity with sep. X 'screens', metacity automatically gives focus to whatever screen your mouse is on06:19
lagaright now, i'm using two different "screens"; they're independent but i could map them using the "screen 1 leftof screen 2" stuff in serverlayout06:19
superm1so it can just be a matter of moving the mouse over when yo uwant to watch TV06:19
lagaheh06:20
superm1for a bit thats what i had to do06:20
lagai hate how the mouse would disappear on the left side of the screen06:20
superm1well put it somewhere you don't go a lot06:20
superm1like the bottom06:20
lagathere's got to be a solution that doesn't suck :)06:20
superm1x2x06:21
superm1only start it when you need it06:21
superm1and connect the 2 X displays via it06:21
lagai'll be using a lirc based remote and a normal IR keyboard. i jsut have to configure X correctly06:21
superm1if you do happen to get the 2 X 'servers' method to work though, I would like to hear about that06:21
lagado you have if it's possible to run two separate X servers... heheh06:21
lagaok :)06:21
superm1i'm imagining you would do one with normal /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gdm06:22
superm1and then the other would be a sep. init script that you started06:22
superm1that used a custom xorg.conf06:22
superm1to be sure not to access the same hardware (mouse keyboard etc)06:22
lagayes06:23
lagai just wonder if they can share the same vga card06:23
laga(nvidia(06:23
superm1but again, i'm not sure if you can split up a dual headed card like that06:23
superm1pretty doubtful06:23
superm1there was a post on nvnews.net06:23
superm1about it sometime back06:23
lagaah06:23
lagagotta check that06:23
superm1if my memory serves me right, I commented in it too06:23
Xenocideyo superm106:37
superm1hey Xenocide06:38
Xenocidei have a lead on a job at ibm06:38
Xenocidedoing ANT scripts06:38
superm1for this summer yet?06:38
Xenocideyup06:39
superm1wow vg06:39
superm1with what group?06:39
Xenocideunder my girlfriends dad, he works on tivoli06:39
superm1ah06:39
Xenocidei messed up though, sent in one resume, and i had to send a second one06:39
Xenocidebecause the first one i wrote in OO, and i opened it in word and the formatting was all off06:40
Xenocideso i look like an idiot06:40
superm1should do it as PDF06:40
superm1when you send it06:40
superm1generally06:40
Xenocideyea i thought about that later06:40
superm1its a more accepted format06:40
Xenocidehopefully that doesnt' kill it06:42
Xenocidelooking like i ahd to send two06:42
superm1if its your lady's dad, i'd say probably no06:42
Xenocidewell obviously he had to send them to someone else06:43
Xenocidehe said it was his peer manager06:43
Xenocidei don't know how ibm is organized06:43
Xenocideno he loves me06:43
superm1pm me what his name is and who he had to send it to.  I can tell you how they are organized06:43
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kruulielo08:05
DaveMorrisevening08:05
kruulimy problem seems special .. cant find anyone who has the same or something similar :p08:09
DaveMorristry the unichrome drivers that are in the repo's08:10
kruulikk08:11
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DaveMorrissuperm1: you thing which ckecks if your in the mythtv group comes up when your logged in as the mythtv user!08:58
Davieysuperm1: hey, do you have mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz anywhere?09:13
rogue780anyone knwo if the new mythbuntu build is based on gutsy or feisty?09:14
DavieyDaveMorris: did you document your migration method? ie backup db etc?09:14
Davieyrogue780: brand new one is gutsy09:14
Davieyor at least the dev branch is now gutsy09:14
rogue780when I try to boot w/the new build (well none of the builds worked...but this gave me an error at least) it says the following:10:13
rogue780* Preparing restricted drivers... [OK] 10:13
rogue780* Starting basic networking ...[OK] 10:13
rogue780* Starting kernel event manager... [OK] 10:13
rogue780* Loading hardware drivers...[Failed] 10:13
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DaveMorrisDaviey: I never migrated really, I jsut stuck a new drive in, copyed over the recordings, then mounted in in the same place10:42
Daviey:`(10:42
Davieyi want a fresh install - but scared :)10:43
Davieyi now have limted spare hd's - there was a time i would just chuck another in there10:43
Davieyand keep the old as reference/backup10:43
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DaveMorrishttp://graphics.stanford.edu/~monzy/DramainthePhD.mp3 <-- funny11:13
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DavieyDaveMorris: can't listen atm; will do tho - thanks11:16
superm1rogue780, I'll try the new build as soon as I get home.  That shouldn't be coming up :(11:38
superm1DaveMorris, is the mythtv user in the mythtv group?11:38
superm1:)11:38
superm1Daviey, it should be on revu11:38
superm1Daviey, looks like someone cleaned up revu and pulled it off11:40
superm1thats a huge shame11:40
superm1i dont know that I still have it.  Once you took over i'm pretty sure I rm'ed it11:40
superm1keescook, did you get to look over the changes on the two bzr branches for mythtv and mythplugins as of yet?11:40
Davieysuperm1: no worries11:42
Davieyorig is still there; wgettting that11:42
Davieybut 10K/s :(11:42
superm1on revu?11:42
Davieyyeah11:42
superm1i dont even see it on archived uploads11:42
Davieyhttp://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/mythtv-themes-unofficial-0705111500/mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz11:42
keescooksuperm1: sorry, I'm a terrible slacker.  :)  please do keep pinging me, but I'm still pretty swamped11:43
superm1oh lucky11:43
superm1vergy good11:43
Davieytaking hours!11:43
superm1keescook, :)11:43
DavieyDo i need to apply each diff; or just the latest?11:43
superm1just the latest11:43
Davieynice :)11:44
superm1well latest diff.tar.gz11:44
superm1that is11:44
superm1not just "debdiff"11:44
Davieyoh11:44
superm1nonetheless - the latest should be there too11:45
Davieyso http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5114 - mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz11:45
Daviey?11:45
superm1should be it11:45
superm1if thats the latest11:45
Davieythink so11:46
Davieypatch mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz < mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz  ?11:46
Davieydownload just finished.. took nearly 3 hrs >:(11:47
superm1wow11:47
superm1well its for reasons like that to break it up i guess11:48
superm1into many packages11:48
Davieyyeah11:48
superm1like i said, see my packaging for mythbuntu-gdm-theme using cdbs11:48
superm1it makes lots of sense to use cdbs for something like this11:48
DaveMorrisnot sure, but it should be the onwer off, it was created by mythtv on a previous install11:48
superm1DaveMorris, that message should only come up if the user mythtv isn't in the group11:49
superm1which is a pretty weird situation nonetheless....11:49
Davieysuperm1: patch $orig < *diff.gz didn't work11:49
superm1Daviey,11:50
superm1dpkg-source -x11:50
superm1*dsc11:50
DaveMorrisok, mythtv users wasn't in the mythtv group11:50
superm1DaveMorris, any idea why?11:50
DaveMorrishowever the onwer for the files is mythtv11:50
DaveMorrisposs coz I've had mythtv setup for 8 months or so and its been an upgrade11:50
superm1hm11:50
DaveMorrisyou think we can use https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ for mythbuntu?11:50
superm1even so, edgy packages should have handled that11:51
superm1looks interesting DaveMorris11:51
superm1you know how its run?11:51
superm1or who runs it?11:51
Davieysuperm1: that worked, thanks11:51
DaveMorrisjust found a link to it from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Procedures (at the bottom)11:51
superm1ah11:51
DaveMorriscan someone proof read http://www.mythbuntu.org/gettinginvolved and http://www.mythbuntu.org/testingreporting for me please11:57
Davieygettinginvolved looks sane11:59
Davieyerm; any news on our mailinglist?11:59
superm1the last i heard of it was shuttleworth saying that a new system for mailing lists is coming in 6 months12:00
superm1but no other luck12:00
Davieywtf12:00
DavieyWe won't add significant load to the current system!12:01
superm1well the new system is based off LP12:01
superm1i guess12:01
Davieyah12:01
superm1and it makes it easy for any team to make a list12:01
superm1not that its a difficult procedure for them to just do this for us already12:01
Davieythat being the case; we need to set up @mythbuntu.org ML12:02
superm1i dont know what the appropriate thing to do at this point is12:02
Davieyimbrandon: ping12:02
imbrandonDaviey: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.12:02
superm1did imbrandon ever get the multi alias stuff setup?12:02
Davieyhe has a new toy eh?12:02
DaveMorriscan I send via my mythbuntu addy?12:02
superm1yes12:02
DavieyDaveMorris: yeah, just spoof using your client12:02
superm1gmail makes spoofing each (TM)12:03
Davieyreally?!12:03
superm1as long as you prove you own the spoofed address that is :)12:03
Davieyah12:03
DaveMorrishow can I spoof in thunderbird then?12:04
Davieywhen i was at uni i sent a spoofed email to a friend telling him he was kicked off the course.  I justified it, and he believed it :)12:04
superm1haha12:04
DavieyDaveMorris: just change the from address in the account settings12:05
reclusivemonkeyDaviey: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals, working on different aspects of the distribution, giving advice and technical support, and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience. Should read: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals working on different aspects of the distribution giving advice, technical support and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience.12:05
Davieyor better, make a new one based off your current smtp settings and change the from address.12:05
Davieyreclusivemonkey: thanks12:05
DavieyDaveMorris: that way you can use the pull down to select who it is from :)12:06
=== Daviey feels launchpad should offer paid referals :)
reclusivemonkeyDaviey: Lose the second comma in the Documentation paragraph as well. Periods on the end of all the paragraphs and then its fine =] 12:07
DaveMorrisDaviey: you changing the page or shall I?12:07
Davieyreclusivemonkey: i think you want to direct it to DaveMorris :)12:07
reclusivemonkeywhoops, sorry my bad Daviey12:07
DavieyDaveMorris: you might aswell :)12:07
Davieyreclusivemonkey: np12:07
Davieyafkb for 1012:08
DaveMorristhanks reclusivemonkey12:09
reclusivemonkeyDaveMorris: np. On the testing page, on the Downloading images, "Once download check the md5sum!" should be "downloaded"12:09
reclusivemonkeyAll reads pretty well. Can I ask if anyone here has any experience of using iMon products with MythTV?12:12
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DaveMorrisafraid not12:13
reclusivemonkeyI have a one year old son and he seems to be constantly drawn to the IR keyboard!12:15
Davieywhy are children attracted to the power button? grr12:22
Davieysuperm1: you've heard about zap2it?12:24
Davieywill that cause you problems?12:24
reclusivemonkeyDaviey: I can have at least 100 toys in the living room, and he'll go straight towards what he's not supposed to touch!12:25
Davieyyep.. there's been a recent disscusion about this on my LoCo mailing list.12:26
=== Daviey feels like putting a video that will make the jump when the press it :)
Davieyi'm so cruel12:26

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