=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: Mythbuntu Alpha 1: http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV" === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Mon Jun 4 08:25:19 2007 === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5D304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:47] jetsaredim, woah [07:47] this isn't good === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1_] by ChanServ === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [requested] === mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1_] by ChanServ [07:51] jetsaredim, you might look here too http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275350 [08:07] Hmm. Looks like there is room for a commercial service. [08:13] i wonder what a fair price point would be then [08:39] I've discussed that for people here in NZ, and most consider $0.00 a fair price for EPG data. === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.173.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:41] New bug: #119212 in restricted-manager (main) "gutsy: restricted-manager crashed with IndexError in enable() (dup-of: 119562)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119212 [12:05] New bug: #121045 in restricted-manager (main) "restricted-manager crashed with IndexError in _mod_enabled() (dup-of: 119562)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121045 [02:36] re === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.173.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Paladine [n=Paladine@paladine.org.uk] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Leaving"] === spiderworm [n=spiderwo@blender/support/spiderworm] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:18] g'morning kids [05:19] morning dad [05:19] daddy, look at this: [05:19] http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3322 [05:19] ^^ we should watch out for that. i dunno if it happens for us, though [05:20] whats mythwelcome? [05:22] superm1, I figured out what the problem with mythbuntu on my sempron box was [05:22] laga, thinking about it. [05:22] rogue780, what was it? [05:23] the burner I was using is crap [05:23] DaveMorris: it's a frontend for the whole acpi/nvram-wakeup stuff, so to speak [05:23] I think [05:23] I'm gonna test it out in a little bit [05:23] rogue780, there should be an ISO generated from last night [05:23] i haven't tested it yet, but it should good to go [05:24] but same issue with the kubuntu dvd. it wouldn't boot right so I burned it from another computer and it worked fine. gonna download new mythbuntu build and try it out [05:25] laga I think this should stick to a WONTFIX for us too, because someone using mythbuntu wouldn't be using gnome [05:25] and most people using mythwelcome wont be in gnome [05:25] ok [05:25] laga, did you take your final yet? [05:25] yes [05:25] 4 out of 15 points. :) [05:26] well then your done, go drink some freedom :) [05:26] i already had some canned freedom but i had to stay sober enough to get my results :) [05:26] ah [05:26] so mythweb htaccess then now......? :) [05:27] yup [05:27] i have to play with kmediafactory first, though. :) [05:27] whats that? [05:28] it's a very simple dvd-making thingamajic. it can even use projectx automatically to take care of damaged DVB recordings [05:28] http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/damu0/software/kmediafactory/screenshots.html === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5D304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:30] ah looks pretty neat [05:30] yup [05:30] i just realized yesterday that mytharchive could archive anything - not just recordings. so I spit SiCKO at it, and burned it to DVD format, and it re-encoded and all [05:31] yup [05:31] mytharchive is nice, but it can be rather buggy [05:31] and mythtranscode doesn't cope as well with broken DVB recordings as porjectx does [05:31] even after a mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode? [05:32] that part will give you most of the trouble :) [05:32] because i get the same problem with my HD recordings, and mpeg2->mpeg2 cleans it up [05:32] at least on -fixes... [05:34] mpeg2->mpeg2 can fix some errors, yes, but projectx tends to do a better job here === superm1 thinks to himself how humorous it would be if projectx and mythtranscode used a common code base to do their jobs (or at least equivalent algorithms considering projectx is java) [05:36] it'd be nice [05:36] well i can only assume that the guys who focus on mythtranscode have looked at the projectx code [05:36] for ideas [05:37] AFAIK, cutting in projectx isn't as accurate as in mythtranscode. but i don't care if i lose a few frames here andb there. scorpi made a script that can be used as a drop-in replacement for mythtranscode --mpeg2, it'll use projectx [05:37] well thats pretty neat [05:37] his script feeds it a cutlist and all? [05:38] i think so, yup [05:38] oh [05:38] it's not a replacement [05:38] but still nifty [05:38] http://home.arcor.de/scorpidnb/mythtv/mythcutprojectx [05:39] he's on freenode, too [05:40] looks pretty innovative. and it appears that it will even rebuild the frame list for myth for skipping around and such [05:42] it's one of those things that should go into contrib/ [05:42] is it going to ? [05:42] is there a bug opened for it at least [05:42] i don't know [05:42] let's see [05:49] no, doesn't look like it [05:57] well i say get it added in then and file a bug :) [05:59] it'd need some work before it could be committed [05:59] kmediafactory seems to be working for me. finally. [05:59] :) [05:59] should be faster than mytharchive [06:00] does it do re-encoding natively? Or still rely on third party utilities? [06:01] i don't know if it actually re-encodes. :) [06:01] i just hope my dvb recordings are DVD compliant.. which they are not sometimes [06:02] see my only thing is my HD recordings, I dont want them at DVD resolution [06:02] its such a loss [06:02] don't put them on a video DVD then :) [06:02] I don't. Native mytharchive format, or just a file on a DVD burned via nerolinux usually [06:03] nerolinux? why is that? [06:03] it does UDF [06:03] so my files can be > 4 GB [06:03] ah, are you using DL dvds? [06:04] well I try to make them fit on SL by cutting out commercials, credits, and unnecessary scenes - like a zoom in from far away with some boring music [06:04] or something to taht effect [06:04] DL is expensive... [06:04] but i've got a few that are still >4.38 [06:04] tcrequant? [06:04] vamps? [06:04] what do those do? [06:04] (no, i don't know how to use them) [06:05] the requantisize the mpeg to make it smaller [06:05] much faster than transcoding [06:05] at a cost of quality though? [06:05] and no, i dont know how requantifoo works [06:05] yup, but it's not that bad IMHO [06:05] I will for sure look at those at some point then [06:06] I toyed with mpeg2/ac3-> h264/ac3 transcode [06:06] that's got to be slow [06:06] and had some *amazing* video quality [06:06] but couldnt keep AV in sync [06:06] at least not on linux, I had a mac buddy and windows buddy that used VLC on windows/mac and they both played it perfectly [06:07] my 42 min long recordings were sitting a 1GB w/ a 1920x540p image === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [06:08] well, h.264 didn't make the picture look better i guess :) [06:09] well actually - [06:09] when I did that transcode, I deinterlaced too [06:09] originally a 1920x1080i image [06:09] depends on the algorithm then and it shouldn't matter on a HD set :) [06:10] I forget what algorithm i was using when I did it via ffmpeg. But when I do it during ordinary playback (pre transcode), I use bob [06:10] bob is nice, it preservers temporal resolution [06:10] i try not to deinterlace at all [06:10] on my TV. It gives pretty good results usually [06:11] well i've got a progressive tv [06:11] so interlaced content isn't very friendly otherwise [06:11] but since i have DVB now and not all recordings are full PAL resolution, i can't keep using my PAL modeline stuff w/o deinterlacing. mythtv-vid branch might help [06:12] why did you need to use a modeline for PAL? [06:12] superm1: you don't have to deinterlace if you match the refresh rate of the display to the video [06:13] oh on an interlaced TV you don't [06:13] that's pretty neat. Had no idea [06:13] no [06:14] just in general? [06:14] unless the tv-out encoder breaks $things. they seem to have their own idea about video timing and field order which doesn't have to be connected to the modeline in any way ;) [06:14] why did i just say "no"? i have no clue, please disregard [06:15] mkay. laga has gone crazy... [06:15] i was outputting directly from VGA to the RGB input of my TV. quality was great. [06:15] RGB=component input? [06:15] that way, you have total control over the video timing [06:15] I thought component is YpYbYr [06:15] nom RGB=something only available on SCART inputs in europe (and japan, afaik) [06:16] ah [06:16] http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html [06:16] ^^ works quite well although i have to re-do my cable. i'm not great at soldering. [06:17] it looks like i won't be having a dedicated frontend. my main box will be connected to the TV using the second VGA head. [06:17] uses less power that way :) [06:17] but then you have to mess with some focus issues [06:17] you'll see [06:18] pretty neat howto there [06:18] focus issues? regarding keyboard? [06:18] i can still run two separate X servers.. i think :) [06:18] well if mythfrontend isn't focused in front, many dialogs aren't accessible [06:19] so you can still use a lirc basd remote [06:19] but you'll run into a few oddities like that [06:19] if doing it in metacity with sep. X 'screens', metacity automatically gives focus to whatever screen your mouse is on [06:19] right now, i'm using two different "screens"; they're independent but i could map them using the "screen 1 leftof screen 2" stuff in serverlayout [06:19] so it can just be a matter of moving the mouse over when yo uwant to watch TV [06:20] heh [06:20] for a bit thats what i had to do [06:20] i hate how the mouse would disappear on the left side of the screen [06:20] well put it somewhere you don't go a lot [06:20] like the bottom [06:20] there's got to be a solution that doesn't suck :) [06:21] x2x [06:21] only start it when you need it [06:21] and connect the 2 X displays via it [06:21] i'll be using a lirc based remote and a normal IR keyboard. i jsut have to configure X correctly [06:21] if you do happen to get the 2 X 'servers' method to work though, I would like to hear about that [06:21] do you have if it's possible to run two separate X servers... heheh [06:21] ok :) [06:22] i'm imagining you would do one with normal /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gdm [06:22] and then the other would be a sep. init script that you started [06:22] that used a custom xorg.conf [06:22] to be sure not to access the same hardware (mouse keyboard etc) [06:23] yes [06:23] i just wonder if they can share the same vga card [06:23] (nvidia( [06:23] but again, i'm not sure if you can split up a dual headed card like that [06:23] pretty doubtful [06:23] there was a post on nvnews.net [06:23] about it sometime back [06:23] ah [06:23] gotta check that [06:23] if my memory serves me right, I commented in it too [06:37] yo superm1 [06:38] hey Xenocide [06:38] i have a lead on a job at ibm [06:38] doing ANT scripts [06:38] for this summer yet? [06:39] yup [06:39] wow vg [06:39] with what group? [06:39] under my girlfriends dad, he works on tivoli [06:39] ah [06:39] i messed up though, sent in one resume, and i had to send a second one [06:40] because the first one i wrote in OO, and i opened it in word and the formatting was all off [06:40] so i look like an idiot [06:40] should do it as PDF [06:40] when you send it [06:40] generally [06:40] yea i thought about that later [06:40] its a more accepted format [06:42] hopefully that doesnt' kill it [06:42] looking like i ahd to send two [06:42] if its your lady's dad, i'd say probably no [06:43] well obviously he had to send them to someone else [06:43] he said it was his peer manager [06:43] i don't know how ibm is organized [06:43] no he loves me [06:43] pm me what his name is and who he had to send it to. I can tell you how they are organized === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.173.5] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.173.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.173.5] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.173.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === kruuli [i=kruuli@c-bcb772d5.013-36-73746f51.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:05] elo [08:05] evening [08:09] my problem seems special .. cant find anyone who has the same or something similar :p [08:10] try the unichrome drivers that are in the repo's [08:11] kk === OpenMedia [n=sellis@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:58] superm1: you thing which ckecks if your in the mythtv group comes up when your logged in as the mythtv user! [09:13] superm1: hey, do you have mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz anywhere? [09:14] anyone knwo if the new mythbuntu build is based on gutsy or feisty? [09:14] DaveMorris: did you document your migration method? ie backup db etc? [09:14] rogue780: brand new one is gutsy [09:14] or at least the dev branch is now gutsy [10:13] when I try to boot w/the new build (well none of the builds worked...but this gave me an error at least) it says the following: [10:13] * Preparing restricted drivers... [OK] [10:13] * Starting basic networking ... [OK] [10:13] * Starting kernel event manager... [OK] [10:13] * Loading hardware drivers... [Failed] === Xenocide [n=xeno@cpe-024-163-112-039.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [10:42] Daviey: I never migrated really, I jsut stuck a new drive in, copyed over the recordings, then mounted in in the same place [10:42] :`( [10:43] i want a fresh install - but scared :) [10:43] i now have limted spare hd's - there was a time i would just chuck another in there [10:43] and keep the old as reference/backup === reclusivemonkey [n=monkey@host86-133-225-36.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:13] http://graphics.stanford.edu/~monzy/DramainthePhD.mp3 <-- funny === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:16] DaveMorris: can't listen atm; will do tho - thanks [11:38] rogue780, I'll try the new build as soon as I get home. That shouldn't be coming up :( [11:38] DaveMorris, is the mythtv user in the mythtv group? [11:38] :) [11:38] Daviey, it should be on revu [11:40] Daviey, looks like someone cleaned up revu and pulled it off [11:40] thats a huge shame [11:40] i dont know that I still have it. Once you took over i'm pretty sure I rm'ed it [11:40] keescook, did you get to look over the changes on the two bzr branches for mythtv and mythplugins as of yet? [11:42] superm1: no worries [11:42] orig is still there; wgettting that [11:42] but 10K/s :( [11:42] on revu? [11:42] yeah [11:42] i dont even see it on archived uploads [11:42] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/mythtv-themes-unofficial-0705111500/mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz [11:43] superm1: sorry, I'm a terrible slacker. :) please do keep pinging me, but I'm still pretty swamped [11:43] oh lucky [11:43] vergy good [11:43] taking hours! [11:43] keescook, :) [11:43] Do i need to apply each diff; or just the latest? [11:43] just the latest [11:44] nice :) [11:44] well latest diff.tar.gz [11:44] that is [11:44] not just "debdiff" [11:44] oh [11:45] nonetheless - the latest should be there too [11:45] so http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5114 - mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [11:45] ? [11:45] should be it [11:45] if thats the latest [11:46] think so [11:46] patch mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz < mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz ? [11:47] download just finished.. took nearly 3 hrs >:( [11:47] wow [11:48] well its for reasons like that to break it up i guess [11:48] into many packages [11:48] yeah [11:48] like i said, see my packaging for mythbuntu-gdm-theme using cdbs [11:48] it makes lots of sense to use cdbs for something like this [11:48] not sure, but it should be the onwer off, it was created by mythtv on a previous install [11:49] DaveMorris, that message should only come up if the user mythtv isn't in the group [11:49] which is a pretty weird situation nonetheless.... [11:49] superm1: patch $orig < *diff.gz didn't work [11:50] Daviey, [11:50] dpkg-source -x [11:50] *dsc [11:50] ok, mythtv users wasn't in the mythtv group [11:50] DaveMorris, any idea why? [11:50] however the onwer for the files is mythtv [11:50] poss coz I've had mythtv setup for 8 months or so and its been an upgrade [11:50] hm [11:50] you think we can use https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ for mythbuntu? [11:51] even so, edgy packages should have handled that [11:51] looks interesting DaveMorris [11:51] you know how its run? [11:51] or who runs it? [11:51] superm1: that worked, thanks [11:51] just found a link to it from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Procedures (at the bottom) [11:51] ah [11:57] can someone proof read http://www.mythbuntu.org/gettinginvolved and http://www.mythbuntu.org/testingreporting for me please [11:59] gettinginvolved looks sane [11:59] erm; any news on our mailinglist? [12:00] the last i heard of it was shuttleworth saying that a new system for mailing lists is coming in 6 months [12:00] but no other luck [12:00] wtf [12:01] We won't add significant load to the current system! [12:01] well the new system is based off LP [12:01] i guess [12:01] ah [12:01] and it makes it easy for any team to make a list [12:01] not that its a difficult procedure for them to just do this for us already [12:02] that being the case; we need to set up @mythbuntu.org ML [12:02] i dont know what the appropriate thing to do at this point is [12:02] imbrandon: ping [12:02] Daviey: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [12:02] did imbrandon ever get the multi alias stuff setup? [12:02] he has a new toy eh? [12:02] can I send via my mythbuntu addy? [12:02] yes [12:02] DaveMorris: yeah, just spoof using your client [12:03] gmail makes spoofing each (TM) [12:03] really?! [12:03] as long as you prove you own the spoofed address that is :) [12:03] ah [12:04] how can I spoof in thunderbird then? [12:04] when i was at uni i sent a spoofed email to a friend telling him he was kicked off the course. I justified it, and he believed it :) [12:04] haha [12:05] DaveMorris: just change the from address in the account settings [12:05] Daviey: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals, working on different aspects of the distribution, giving advice and technical support, and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience. Should read: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals working on different aspects of the distribution giving advice, technical support and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience. [12:05] or better, make a new one based off your current smtp settings and change the from address. [12:05] reclusivemonkey: thanks [12:06] DaveMorris: that way you can use the pull down to select who it is from :) === Daviey feels launchpad should offer paid referals :) [12:07] Daviey: Lose the second comma in the Documentation paragraph as well. Periods on the end of all the paragraphs and then its fine =] [12:07] Daviey: you changing the page or shall I? [12:07] reclusivemonkey: i think you want to direct it to DaveMorris :) [12:07] whoops, sorry my bad Daviey [12:07] DaveMorris: you might aswell :) [12:07] reclusivemonkey: np [12:08] afkb for 10 [12:09] thanks reclusivemonkey [12:09] DaveMorris: np. On the testing page, on the Downloading images, "Once download check the md5sum!" should be "downloaded" [12:12] All reads pretty well. Can I ask if anyone here has any experience of using iMon products with MythTV? === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:13] afraid not [12:15] I have a one year old son and he seems to be constantly drawn to the IR keyboard! [12:22] why are children attracted to the power button? grr [12:24] superm1: you've heard about zap2it? [12:24] will that cause you problems? [12:25] Daviey: I can have at least 100 toys in the living room, and he'll go straight towards what he's not supposed to touch! [12:26] yep.. there's been a recent disscusion about this on my LoCo mailing list. === Daviey feels like putting a video that will make the jump when the press it :) [12:26] i'm so cruel