[07:47] <superm1_> jetsaredim, woah
[07:47] <superm1_> this isn't good
[07:51] <superm1_> jetsaredim, you might look here too http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275350
[08:07] <OpenMedia> Hmm. Looks like there is room for a commercial service.
[08:13] <superm1_> i wonder what a fair price point would be then
[08:39] <OpenMedia> I've discussed that for people here in NZ, and most consider $0.00 a fair price for EPG  data.
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #119212 in restricted-manager (main) "gutsy: restricted-manager crashed with IndexError in enable() (dup-of: 119562)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119212
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[02:36] <laga> re
[05:18] <superm1> g'morning kids
[05:19] <laga> morning dad
[05:19] <laga> daddy, look at this:
[05:19] <laga> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3322
[05:19] <laga> ^^ we should watch out for that. i dunno if it happens for us, though
[05:20] <DaveMorris> whats mythwelcome?
[05:22] <rogue780> superm1, I figured out what the problem with mythbuntu on my sempron box was
[05:22] <superm1> laga, thinking about it.
[05:22] <superm1> rogue780, what was it?
[05:23] <rogue780> the burner I was using is crap
[05:23] <laga> DaveMorris: it's a frontend for the whole acpi/nvram-wakeup stuff, so to speak
[05:23] <rogue780> I think
[05:23] <rogue780> I'm gonna test it out in a little bit
[05:23] <superm1> rogue780, there should be an ISO generated from last night
[05:23] <superm1> i haven't tested it yet, but it should good to go
[05:24] <rogue780> but same issue with the kubuntu dvd. it wouldn't boot right so I burned it from another computer and it worked fine. gonna download new mythbuntu build and try it out
[05:25] <superm1> laga I think this should stick to a WONTFIX for us too, because someone using mythbuntu wouldn't be using gnome
[05:25] <superm1> and most people using mythwelcome wont be in gnome
[05:25] <laga> ok
[05:25] <superm1> laga, did you take your final yet?
[05:25] <laga> yes
[05:25] <laga> 4 out of 15 points. :)
[05:26] <superm1> well then your done, go drink some freedom :)
[05:26] <laga> i already had some canned freedom but i had to stay sober enough to get my results :)
[05:26] <superm1> ah
[05:26] <superm1> so mythweb htaccess then now......?  :)
[05:27] <laga> yup
[05:27] <laga> i have to play with kmediafactory first, though. :)
[05:27] <superm1> whats that?
[05:28] <laga> it's a very simple dvd-making thingamajic. it can even use projectx automatically to take care of damaged DVB recordings
[05:28] <laga> http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/damu0/software/kmediafactory/screenshots.html
[05:30] <superm1> ah looks pretty neat
[05:30] <laga> yup
[05:30] <superm1> i just realized yesterday that mytharchive could archive anything - not just recordings.  so I spit SiCKO at it, and burned it to DVD format, and it re-encoded and all
[05:31] <laga> yup
[05:31] <laga> mytharchive is nice, but it can be rather buggy
[05:31] <laga> and mythtranscode doesn't cope as well with broken DVB recordings as porjectx does
[05:31] <superm1> even after a mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode?
[05:32] <laga> that part will give you most of the trouble :)
[05:32] <superm1> because i get the same problem with my HD recordings, and mpeg2->mpeg2 cleans it up
[05:32] <superm1> at least on -fixes...
[05:34] <laga> mpeg2->mpeg2 can fix some errors, yes, but projectx tends to do a better job here
[05:36] <laga> it'd be nice
[05:36] <superm1> well i can only assume that the guys who focus on mythtranscode have looked at the projectx code
[05:36] <superm1> for ideas
[05:37] <laga> AFAIK, cutting in projectx isn't as accurate as in mythtranscode. but i don't care if i lose a few frames here andb there. scorpi made a script that can be used as a drop-in replacement for mythtranscode --mpeg2, it'll use projectx
[05:37] <superm1> well thats pretty neat
[05:37] <superm1> his script feeds it a cutlist and all?
[05:38] <laga> i think so, yup
[05:38] <laga> oh
[05:38] <laga> it's not a replacement
[05:38] <laga> but still nifty
[05:38] <laga> http://home.arcor.de/scorpidnb/mythtv/mythcutprojectx
[05:39] <laga> he's on freenode, too
[05:40] <superm1> looks pretty innovative.  and it appears that it will even rebuild the frame list for myth for skipping around and such
[05:42] <laga> it's one of those things that should go into contrib/
[05:42] <superm1> is it going to ?
[05:42] <superm1> is there a bug opened for it at least
[05:42] <laga> i don't know
[05:42] <laga> let's see
[05:49] <laga> no, doesn't look like it
[05:57] <superm1> well i say get it added in then and file a bug :)
[05:59] <laga> it'd need some work before it could be committed
[05:59] <laga> kmediafactory seems to be working for me. finally.
[05:59] <superm1> :)
[05:59] <laga> should be faster than mytharchive
[06:00] <superm1> does it do re-encoding natively?  Or still rely on third party utilities?
[06:01] <laga> i don't know if it actually re-encodes. :)
[06:01] <laga> i just hope my dvb recordings are DVD compliant.. which they are not sometimes
[06:02] <superm1> see my only thing is my HD recordings, I dont want them at DVD resolution
[06:02] <superm1> its such a loss
[06:02] <laga> don't put them on a video DVD then :)
[06:02] <superm1> I don't.  Native mytharchive format, or just a file on a DVD burned via nerolinux usually
[06:03] <laga> nerolinux? why is that?
[06:03] <superm1> it does UDF
[06:03] <superm1> so my files can be > 4 GB
[06:03] <laga> ah, are you using DL dvds?
[06:04] <superm1> well I try to make them fit on SL by cutting out commercials, credits, and unnecessary scenes - like a zoom in from far away with some boring music
[06:04] <superm1> or something to taht effect
[06:04] <laga> DL is expensive...
[06:04] <superm1> but i've got a few that are still >4.38
[06:04] <laga> tcrequant?
[06:04] <laga> vamps?
[06:04] <superm1> what do those do?
[06:04] <laga> (no, i don't know how to use them)
[06:05] <laga> the requantisize the mpeg to make it smaller
[06:05] <laga> much faster than transcoding
[06:05] <superm1> at a cost of quality though?
[06:05] <laga> and no, i dont know how requantifoo works
[06:05] <laga> yup, but it's not that bad IMHO
[06:05] <superm1> I will for sure look at those at some point then
[06:06] <superm1> I toyed with mpeg2/ac3-> h264/ac3 transcode
[06:06] <laga> that's got to be slow
[06:06] <superm1> and had some *amazing* video quality
[06:06] <superm1> but couldnt keep AV in sync
[06:06] <superm1> at least not on linux, I had a mac buddy and windows buddy that used VLC on windows/mac and they both played it perfectly
[06:07] <superm1> my 42 min long recordings were sitting a 1GB w/ a 1920x540p image
[06:08] <laga> well, h.264 didn't make the picture look better i guess :)
[06:09] <superm1> well actually -
[06:09] <superm1> when I did that transcode, I deinterlaced too
[06:09] <superm1> originally a 1920x1080i image
[06:09] <laga> depends on the algorithm then and it shouldn't matter on a HD set :)
[06:10] <superm1> I forget what algorithm i was using when I did it via ffmpeg.  But when I do it during ordinary playback (pre transcode), I use bob
[06:10] <laga> bob is nice, it preservers temporal resolution
[06:10] <laga> i try not to deinterlace at all
[06:10] <superm1> on my TV.  It gives pretty good results usually
[06:11] <superm1> well i've got a progressive tv
[06:11] <superm1> so interlaced content isn't very friendly otherwise
[06:11] <laga> but since i have DVB now and not all recordings are full PAL resolution, i can't keep using my PAL modeline stuff w/o deinterlacing. mythtv-vid branch might help
[06:12] <superm1> why did you need to use a modeline for PAL?
[06:12] <laga> superm1: you don't have to deinterlace if you match the refresh rate of the display to the video
[06:13] <superm1> oh on an interlaced TV you don't
[06:13] <superm1> that's pretty neat.  Had no idea
[06:13] <laga> no
[06:14] <superm1> just in general?
[06:14] <laga> unless the tv-out encoder breaks $things. they seem to have their own idea about video timing and field order which doesn't have to be connected to the modeline in any way ;)
[06:14] <laga> why did i just say "no"? i have no clue, please disregard
[06:15] <superm1> mkay.  laga has gone crazy...
[06:15] <laga> i was outputting directly from VGA to the RGB input of my TV. quality was great.
[06:15] <superm1> RGB=component input?
[06:15] <laga> that way, you have total control over the video timing
[06:15] <superm1> I thought component is YpYbYr
[06:15] <laga> nom RGB=something only available on SCART inputs in europe (and japan, afaik)
[06:16] <superm1> ah
[06:16] <laga> http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html
[06:16] <laga> ^^ works quite well although i have to re-do my cable. i'm not great at soldering.
[06:17] <laga> it looks like i won't be having a dedicated frontend. my main box will be connected to the TV using the second VGA head.
[06:17] <laga> uses less power that way :)
[06:17] <superm1> but then you have to mess with some focus issues
[06:17] <superm1> you'll see
[06:18] <superm1> pretty neat howto there
[06:18] <laga> focus issues? regarding keyboard?
[06:18] <laga> i can still run two separate X servers.. i think :)
[06:18] <superm1> well if mythfrontend isn't focused in front, many dialogs aren't accessible
[06:19] <superm1> so you can still use a lirc basd remote
[06:19] <superm1> but you'll run into a few oddities like that
[06:19] <superm1> if doing it in metacity with sep. X 'screens', metacity automatically gives focus to whatever screen your mouse is on
[06:19] <laga> right now, i'm using two different "screens"; they're independent but i could map them using the "screen 1 leftof screen 2" stuff in serverlayout
[06:19] <superm1> so it can just be a matter of moving the mouse over when yo uwant to watch TV
[06:20] <laga> heh
[06:20] <superm1> for a bit thats what i had to do
[06:20] <laga> i hate how the mouse would disappear on the left side of the screen
[06:20] <superm1> well put it somewhere you don't go a lot
[06:20] <superm1> like the bottom
[06:20] <laga> there's got to be a solution that doesn't suck :)
[06:21] <superm1> x2x
[06:21] <superm1> only start it when you need it
[06:21] <superm1> and connect the 2 X displays via it
[06:21] <laga> i'll be using a lirc based remote and a normal IR keyboard. i jsut have to configure X correctly
[06:21] <superm1> if you do happen to get the 2 X 'servers' method to work though, I would like to hear about that
[06:21] <laga> do you have if it's possible to run two separate X servers... heheh
[06:21] <laga> ok :)
[06:22] <superm1> i'm imagining you would do one with normal /etc/X11/xorg.conf and gdm
[06:22] <superm1> and then the other would be a sep. init script that you started
[06:22] <superm1> that used a custom xorg.conf
[06:22] <superm1> to be sure not to access the same hardware (mouse keyboard etc)
[06:23] <laga> yes
[06:23] <laga> i just wonder if they can share the same vga card
[06:23] <laga> (nvidia(
[06:23] <superm1> but again, i'm not sure if you can split up a dual headed card like that
[06:23] <superm1> pretty doubtful
[06:23] <superm1> there was a post on nvnews.net
[06:23] <superm1> about it sometime back
[06:23] <laga> ah
[06:23] <laga> gotta check that
[06:23] <superm1> if my memory serves me right, I commented in it too
[06:37] <Xenocide> yo superm1
[06:38] <superm1> hey Xenocide
[06:38] <Xenocide> i have a lead on a job at ibm
[06:38] <Xenocide> doing ANT scripts
[06:38] <superm1> for this summer yet?
[06:39] <Xenocide> yup
[06:39] <superm1> wow vg
[06:39] <superm1> with what group?
[06:39] <Xenocide> under my girlfriends dad, he works on tivoli
[06:39] <superm1> ah
[06:39] <Xenocide> i messed up though, sent in one resume, and i had to send a second one
[06:40] <Xenocide> because the first one i wrote in OO, and i opened it in word and the formatting was all off
[06:40] <Xenocide> so i look like an idiot
[06:40] <superm1> should do it as PDF
[06:40] <superm1> when you send it
[06:40] <superm1> generally
[06:40] <Xenocide> yea i thought about that later
[06:40] <superm1> its a more accepted format
[06:42] <Xenocide> hopefully that doesnt' kill it
[06:42] <Xenocide> looking like i ahd to send two
[06:42] <superm1> if its your lady's dad, i'd say probably no
[06:43] <Xenocide> well obviously he had to send them to someone else
[06:43] <Xenocide> he said it was his peer manager
[06:43] <Xenocide> i don't know how ibm is organized
[06:43] <Xenocide> no he loves me
[06:43] <superm1> pm me what his name is and who he had to send it to.  I can tell you how they are organized
[08:05] <kruuli> elo
[08:05] <DaveMorris> evening
[08:09] <kruuli> my problem seems special .. cant find anyone who has the same or something similar :p
[08:10] <DaveMorris> try the unichrome drivers that are in the repo's
[08:11] <kruuli> kk
[08:58] <DaveMorris> superm1: you thing which ckecks if your in the mythtv group comes up when your logged in as the mythtv user!
[09:13] <Daviey> superm1: hey, do you have mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz anywhere?
[09:14] <rogue780> anyone knwo if the new mythbuntu build is based on gutsy or feisty?
[09:14] <Daviey> DaveMorris: did you document your migration method? ie backup db etc?
[09:14] <Daviey> rogue780: brand new one is gutsy
[09:14] <Daviey> or at least the dev branch is now gutsy
[10:13] <rogue780> when I try to boot w/the new build (well none of the builds worked...but this gave me an error at least) it says the following:
[10:13] <rogue780> * Preparing restricted drivers... 	[OK] 	
[10:13] <rogue780> * Starting basic networking ...		[OK] 
[10:13] <rogue780> * Starting kernel event manager... 	[OK] 
[10:13] <rogue780> * Loading hardware drivers...		[Failed] 
[10:42] <DaveMorris> Daviey: I never migrated really, I jsut stuck a new drive in, copyed over the recordings, then mounted in in the same place
[10:42] <Daviey> :`(
[10:43] <Daviey> i want a fresh install - but scared :)
[10:43] <Daviey> i now have limted spare hd's - there was a time i would just chuck another in there
[10:43] <Daviey> and keep the old as reference/backup
[11:13] <DaveMorris> http://graphics.stanford.edu/~monzy/DramainthePhD.mp3 <-- funny
[11:16] <Daviey> DaveMorris: can't listen atm; will do tho - thanks
[11:38] <superm1> rogue780, I'll try the new build as soon as I get home.  That shouldn't be coming up :(
[11:38] <superm1> DaveMorris, is the mythtv user in the mythtv group?
[11:38] <superm1> :)
[11:38] <superm1> Daviey, it should be on revu
[11:40] <superm1> Daviey, looks like someone cleaned up revu and pulled it off
[11:40] <superm1> thats a huge shame
[11:40] <superm1> i dont know that I still have it.  Once you took over i'm pretty sure I rm'ed it
[11:40] <superm1> keescook, did you get to look over the changes on the two bzr branches for mythtv and mythplugins as of yet?
[11:42] <Daviey> superm1: no worries
[11:42] <Daviey> orig is still there; wgettting that
[11:42] <Daviey> but 10K/s :(
[11:42] <superm1> on revu?
[11:42] <Daviey> yeah
[11:42] <superm1> i dont even see it on archived uploads
[11:42] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/mythtv-themes-unofficial-0705111500/mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz
[11:43] <keescook> superm1: sorry, I'm a terrible slacker.  :)  please do keep pinging me, but I'm still pretty swamped
[11:43] <superm1> oh lucky
[11:43] <superm1> vergy good
[11:43] <Daviey> taking hours!
[11:43] <superm1> keescook, :)
[11:43] <Daviey> Do i need to apply each diff; or just the latest?
[11:43] <superm1> just the latest
[11:44] <Daviey> nice :)
[11:44] <superm1> well latest diff.tar.gz
[11:44] <superm1> that is
[11:44] <superm1> not just "debdiff"
[11:44] <Daviey> oh
[11:45] <superm1> nonetheless - the latest should be there too
[11:45] <Daviey> so http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5114 - mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[11:45] <Daviey> ?
[11:45] <superm1> should be it
[11:45] <superm1> if thats the latest
[11:46] <Daviey> think so
[11:46] <Daviey> patch mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418.orig.tar.gz < mythtv-themes-unofficial_0.20070418-0ubuntu1.diff.gz  ?
[11:47] <Daviey> download just finished.. took nearly 3 hrs >:(
[11:47] <superm1> wow
[11:48] <superm1> well its for reasons like that to break it up i guess
[11:48] <superm1> into many packages
[11:48] <Daviey> yeah
[11:48] <superm1> like i said, see my packaging for mythbuntu-gdm-theme using cdbs
[11:48] <superm1> it makes lots of sense to use cdbs for something like this
[11:48] <DaveMorris> not sure, but it should be the onwer off, it was created by mythtv on a previous install
[11:49] <superm1> DaveMorris, that message should only come up if the user mythtv isn't in the group
[11:49] <superm1> which is a pretty weird situation nonetheless....
[11:49] <Daviey> superm1: patch $orig < *diff.gz didn't work
[11:50] <superm1> Daviey,
[11:50] <superm1> dpkg-source -x
[11:50] <superm1> *dsc
[11:50] <DaveMorris> ok, mythtv users wasn't in the mythtv group
[11:50] <superm1> DaveMorris, any idea why?
[11:50] <DaveMorris> however the onwer for the files is mythtv
[11:50] <DaveMorris> poss coz I've had mythtv setup for 8 months or so and its been an upgrade
[11:50] <superm1> hm
[11:50] <DaveMorris> you think we can use https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ for mythbuntu?
[11:51] <superm1> even so, edgy packages should have handled that
[11:51] <superm1> looks interesting DaveMorris
[11:51] <superm1> you know how its run?
[11:51] <superm1> or who runs it?
[11:51] <Daviey> superm1: that worked, thanks
[11:51] <DaveMorris> just found a link to it from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community/Procedures (at the bottom)
[11:51] <superm1> ah
[11:57] <DaveMorris> can someone proof read http://www.mythbuntu.org/gettinginvolved and http://www.mythbuntu.org/testingreporting for me please
[11:59] <Daviey> gettinginvolved looks sane
[11:59] <Daviey> erm; any news on our mailinglist?
[12:00] <superm1> the last i heard of it was shuttleworth saying that a new system for mailing lists is coming in 6 months
[12:00] <superm1> but no other luck
[12:00] <Daviey> wtf
[12:01] <Daviey> We won't add significant load to the current system!
[12:01] <superm1> well the new system is based off LP
[12:01] <superm1> i guess
[12:01] <Daviey> ah
[12:01] <superm1> and it makes it easy for any team to make a list
[12:01] <superm1> not that its a difficult procedure for them to just do this for us already
[12:02] <Daviey> that being the case; we need to set up @mythbuntu.org ML
[12:02] <superm1> i dont know what the appropriate thing to do at this point is
[12:02] <Daviey> imbrandon: ping
[12:02] <imbrandon> Daviey: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[12:02] <superm1> did imbrandon ever get the multi alias stuff setup?
[12:02] <Daviey> he has a new toy eh?
[12:02] <DaveMorris> can I send via my mythbuntu addy?
[12:02] <superm1> yes
[12:02] <Daviey> DaveMorris: yeah, just spoof using your client
[12:03] <superm1> gmail makes spoofing each (TM)
[12:03] <Daviey> really?!
[12:03] <superm1> as long as you prove you own the spoofed address that is :)
[12:03] <Daviey> ah
[12:04] <DaveMorris> how can I spoof in thunderbird then?
[12:04] <Daviey> when i was at uni i sent a spoofed email to a friend telling him he was kicked off the course.  I justified it, and he believed it :)
[12:04] <superm1> haha
[12:05] <Daviey> DaveMorris: just change the from address in the account settings
[12:05] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals, working on different aspects of the distribution, giving advice and technical support, and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience. Should read: The Mythbuntu community consist of individuals working on different aspects of the distribution giving advice, technical support and helping to promote Mythbuntu to a wider audience.
[12:05] <Daviey> or better, make a new one based off your current smtp settings and change the from address.
[12:05] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: thanks
[12:06] <Daviey> DaveMorris: that way you can use the pull down to select who it is from :)
[12:07] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: Lose the second comma in the Documentation paragraph as well. Periods on the end of all the paragraphs and then its fine =] 
[12:07] <DaveMorris> Daviey: you changing the page or shall I?
[12:07] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: i think you want to direct it to DaveMorris :)
[12:07] <reclusivemonkey> whoops, sorry my bad Daviey
[12:07] <Daviey> DaveMorris: you might aswell :)
[12:07] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: np
[12:08] <Daviey> afkb for 10
[12:09] <DaveMorris> thanks reclusivemonkey
[12:09] <reclusivemonkey> DaveMorris: np. On the testing page, on the Downloading images, "Once download check the md5sum!" should be "downloaded"
[12:12] <reclusivemonkey> All reads pretty well. Can I ask if anyone here has any experience of using iMon products with MythTV?
[12:13] <DaveMorris> afraid not
[12:15] <reclusivemonkey> I have a one year old son and he seems to be constantly drawn to the IR keyboard!
[12:22] <Daviey> why are children attracted to the power button? grr
[12:24] <Daviey> superm1: you've heard about zap2it?
[12:24] <Daviey> will that cause you problems?
[12:25] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: I can have at least 100 toys in the living room, and he'll go straight towards what he's not supposed to touch!
[12:26] <Daviey> yep.. there's been a recent disscusion about this on my LoCo mailing list.
[12:26] <Daviey> i'm so cruel