[12:42] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200706132152.08248.jc%40root42.net&forum_name=basket-devel
[12:53] <apokryphos> nice, thanks for letting me know
[01:27] <gnomefreak> looks like libapt was updated, trying adept again
[01:28] <TheCreationist> I'm having a problem with my CD burner.  dmesg reports a problem with ata2 and makes boot time about 4 minutes as it keeps retrying.  Unplugging my cd burner solves that problem.
[01:28] <TheCreationist> What can I do to get my burner working again?  I understand it has to do with the new libata in Feisty (everything worked fine in Edgy)
[01:29] <Riddell> user questions in #kubuntu
[01:29] <TheCreationist> Riddell: They sent me here since it's an obvious bug.
[01:29] <gnomefreak> i saw that. TheCreationist you still have older kernel use it for now
[01:30] <TheCreationist> gnomefreak: I've tried booting with older kernels... same problem.
[01:30] <gnomefreak> TheCreationist: join me in #kubuntu
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I appologize for reffering him to this channel. I thought it was a bug.
[01:40] <Riddell> it might be, but it wasn't phrased like one
[01:40] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: it is a kernel bug afair
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> so if I find someone with a bug, should I generally refer them here?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> ha its building :)
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> huh?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> Riddell: did you hear back from kees on the libept?
[01:44] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you give me ~ 1 hour and ill have sources on revu for you for adept
[01:44] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: only if they are willing to be involved in development rather than just wanting their problem fixed, and we only do KDE stuff in this channel
[01:45] <Riddell> gnomefreak: not yet no
[01:45] <gnomefreak> ok
[01:45] <Riddell> gnomefreak: you fixed adept for new apt?
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok... will remember that!
[01:45] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:45] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: and of course it depends on how grumpy I'm feeling :)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> i did the binary build to test it now ill build sources for upload
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I'll plan for the worst(thought I don't know how bad that is);)
[01:55] <gnomefreak> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5679  adept is up
[01:55] <Riddell> gnomefreak: you're my hero
[01:55] <gnomefreak> :) anything i can help with
[01:56] <gnomefreak> still no good on debtags and i dont think kubuntu-desktop can be spun without it
[01:59] <gnomefreak> what else was there?
[02:02] <Riddell> with respect to what?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> the apt issue
[02:02] <gnomefreak> adept debtags there was a qt lib i thought
[02:03] <gnomefreak> or a lang pack
[02:04] <Riddell> qt-language-selector
[02:04] <Riddell> but that's a python-apt issue I guess
[02:04] <Riddell> mvo will sort
[02:05] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:06] <gnomefreak> amarok should build for hobbsee when she gets to it
[02:06] <Riddell> I've already built it
[02:06] <Riddell> will upload tomorrow if apachelogger lets me
[02:07] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, official release is around 16-20 CEST
[02:12] <Riddell> gnomefreak: you changed kubuntu_10_apport.diff ?
[02:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok, I'll upload around 15:00BST and try and get it through backports as soon as possible
[02:13] <gnomefreak> Riddell: no
[02:14] <Riddell> gnomefreak: what sources are you using then?  that's an old version of something
[02:14] <Riddell> or something's wrong anyway
[02:14] <Riddell> mm, too late at night
[02:14] <gnomefreak> adept-2.1.2ubuntu26
[02:14] <gnomefreak> changed it to ubuntu27 added changelog entry and built
[02:15] <gnomefreak> seems someone uploaded 27 already :(
[02:15] <gnomefreak> wth
[02:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: k, I'll ping you as soon as our release news is online
[02:15] <markey> heya :)
[02:15] <apachelogger> ahoy
[02:16] <markey> I'm like the only non-drunk amarok guy
[02:16] <markey> at this point
[02:16] <markey> so, feel free to direct questions to me ;)
[02:16] <Nightrose> drunk *g*
[02:16] <apachelogger> <-- totally drunk
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Riddell: im grabbing the ubuntu27 version that was uploaded within last 24 hours when we were waiting for libapt
[02:17] <apachelogger> on the other hand, can one get from tea drunken?
[02:17] <markey> depends on the amount of rum added
[02:17] <markey> avast!
[02:18] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you already built it on new libapt from what i see
[02:18] <Riddell> gnomefreak: that's the hope, but does it work?
[02:18] <Riddell> it couldn't open the database for me
[02:18] <Riddell> or manchicken
[02:18] <gnomefreak> not usre yet let me see
[02:18] <apachelogger> markey: 60-70% can't be too much
[02:18] <Riddell> hi markey, how's life?  coming to akademy?
[02:18] <gnomefreak> no
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Riddell: adept is source for all adept-* packages right?
[02:19] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes
[02:19] <gnomefreak> still wrong than
[02:19] <Riddell> what's wrong?
[02:19] <markey> Riddell: life is.. well I shouldn't complain ;) akademy, sadly not :(
[02:19] <markey> would love to but really can't this year
[02:20] <gnomefreak> adept depends on -manger -notifier -installer -batch but non of them are gonna be installed
[02:20] <gnomefreak> -updater also
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Riddell: what version of libapt-front* did  you build it against?
[02:21] <Riddell> gnomefreak: they'll need new debtags, which is waiting on new libept which is stuck in NEW because xapian thing needs to be in main
[02:21] <Riddell> sorry, stuck in needs-to-build, not NEW
[02:22] <Riddell> gnomefreak: hopefully the new one I uploaded today
[02:22] <gnomefreak> ok i have debtags ready to go once libept is fixed
[02:22] <Riddell> markey: hanging around with those sell-out last.fm types?
[02:22] <gnomefreak> 0.3.12ubuntu3 should be right
[02:22] <Riddell> I uploaded debtags
[02:23] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[03:23] <jjesse> nixternal: how is vista doing today for you?
[07:32] <DaSkreech> hi Jucato Hobbsee
[07:32] <nixternal> uh oh
[07:32] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:33] <nixternal> well Hobbsee, I have gone and done it...I applied for MOTU
[07:33] <Hobbsee> woo!
[07:33] <nixternal> or ow, depending on how you want to spell it :)
[07:34] <nixternal> and that is how you spell ow
[07:34] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Isn't there something about loving vast airy expanses making you not suitable?
[07:34] <nixternal> and another ow thanks to Hobbsee and crimsun
[07:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:35] <nixternal> did imbrandon give up on Kubuntu?
[07:36] <nixternal> oh, he is here, just not here
[07:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i think i pissed him off
[07:36] <nixternal> lol
[07:36] <nixternal> and how did you do that may I ask?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Perforation?
[07:37] <crimsun> (last I heard, he has some personal time with the ex and daughter, so he may be scarce until that reaches a beneficial conclusion.)
[07:37] <crimsun> (at least he mentioned that to me publicly in -motu)
[07:37] <nixternal> hopefully some good personal time
[07:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i got annoyed at him for not being around, nor mentioning to anyone that he was packaging amarok, so work was duplicated.
[07:38] <nixternal> ahhh, sounds like fun
[07:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: apparently it's expected that someone who appears to be active for 4 is assumed to be packaging this release of a piece of software, if they did the last - but didnt do any bug triage, or anything on it in the mean time.
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Amarok ships tomorrow right?
[07:39] <nixternal> now that is definitely a lot of fun
[07:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh yes.
[07:39] <crimsun> ah, humanity.  The eighth OSI layer.
[07:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and debates on "yes, i *am* the person who attempts ot keep track of how thinsg are going, so we dont miss major things, and so that we can give people stuff to do when they want it
[07:39] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: today in my TZ
[07:40] <DaSkreech> well technically it's tomorrow in my TZ as well
[07:40] <hunger_t> Could somebody please rebuild adept with the new apt?
[07:40] <nixternal> hunger_t: I thought it already had been done...though I heard something about a booged gcc today I think
[07:41] <DaSkreech> hi hunger_t
[07:41] <DaSkreech> nixternal: want to love Knotes?
[07:41] <nixternal> can I make knotes do like tomboy? :D
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Sure
[07:42] <nixternal> DaSkreech: what's up with knotes?
[07:42] <nixternal> besides the people using GNOME and having problems
[07:42] <DaSkreech> It's floating in a KDE PIM pool
[07:42] <DaSkreech> No one is stepping up to make it rethink it's place in KDE PIM or redo it for KDE4
[07:43] <DaSkreech> So right now it stands to be a KDE3 holdout
[07:44] <nixternal> [ nixternal]  I can one-click and a wiki will be there in 5 minutes
[07:44] <nixternal> [ red_herri]  !nixternal
[07:44] <nixternal> [     ubotu]  Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!
[07:44] <nixternal> [ red_herri]  well, you Are pointy clicky
[07:44] <nixternal> thanks Hobbsee!
[07:44] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:44] <nixternal> that trigger has made its way around freenode like it was free money
[07:45] <Hobbsee> !nixternal
[07:45] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!
[07:45] <nixternal> hehe
[07:45] <Hobbsee> !no nixternal is <reply> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[07:45] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[07:45] <nixternal> !no nixternal is <reply>The Kubuntu Mastah!
[07:45] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:46] <nixternal> damn, I can't edit anymore
[07:46] <Hobbsee> aww
[07:46] <nalioth> @lart nixternal
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hi nalioth
[07:46] <nixternal> I just got pwnd
[07:46] <nalioth> consider yourself larted, nixternal
[07:46] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:46] <nixternal> what a turdburgler
[07:47] <nixternal> wth is a turdburgler? my niece called me that the other day
[07:47] <nixternal> she is like 10
[07:47] <nixternal> kids these days
[07:47] <crimsun> it's just a preteen synonym for !nixternal
[07:47] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure you want to know
[07:47] <nixternal> hehe
[07:47] <nixternal> DaSkreech: is it bad?
[07:48] <nixternal> and if so, wth is a 10yo calling me that?
[07:48] <nixternal> next time she comes over to swim, I will make sure I over-clorinate the pool
[07:48] <nixternal> that will burn your eyes
[07:48] <DaSkreech> honestly children age like 8 months out of the womb
[07:48] <DaSkreech> It's really sad
[07:49] <nixternal> my daughter is 11 and she is getting boycrazy...I told her to simmer down, otherwise she will be in a Christian camp that is locked down
[07:51] <DaSkreech> ha ha that should blow up in your face :)
[07:51] <nixternal> right
[07:52] <nixternal> now that I think about, the Catholic schools here in Chicago, were the place to go
[07:52] <DaSkreech> http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/Netjean/IDKmyBFF.jpg
[07:52] <nixternal> well, for the last 11 years I feel that God blessed me with a daughter, and now he is getting even for my whicked ways as a teen
[07:53] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[07:53] <nixternal> she will like that one
[07:53] <nixternal> although, I have to google BFF to totally get it, but I have an idea
[07:53] <DaSkreech> I think that she just lets your consequences run it's course
[07:55] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Oh never seen that ad?
[07:55] <nixternal> I seen the commercial, where the mom gets all tongue tied
[07:56] <DaSkreech> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nIUcRJX9-o&NR=1
[07:56] <DaSkreech> The net is so sad these days :(
[07:56] <DaSkreech> I think it and it's there
[07:57] <nixternal> haha, I love it
[08:00] <nixternal> g'nite!
[09:20] <Nightrose> Hobbsee whenever you have time: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5653
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: you probably want to number that patch.  like, +++ klogshow-1.0.3/debian/patches/01_desktopfile.diff
[09:22] <Nightrose> k
[09:22] <Hobbsee> as the patches are usually chronologically ordered
[09:22] <Nightrose> thx will do that in a minute
[09:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:29] <Jucato> chop off the other one :)
[09:29] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering which to use
[09:29] <Hobbsee> as it looks like people have uploaded different bits to both of them
[09:29] <Hobbsee> oh, this one has a debian dir
[09:31] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: done but I ran into another problem - may take another minute ;-)
[09:31] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: take your time
[09:31] <Hobbsee> well, backup first.
[09:34] <Nightrose> ok here we go Hobbsee http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5680 ;-)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: see at the bottom of http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/klogshow-0706210320/klogshow_1.0.3-0ubuntu1.diff - the stuff that you did to make the patch is still applied
[09:36] <Hobbsee> you can use patch -p1 -r < debian/patches/01_<tab> to get rid of it
[09:36] <Nightrose> ok thx
[09:39] <mhb> good morning
[09:43] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: i get: "patch: **** malformed patch at line 4: [Desktop Entry] " - what can I do about that?
[09:43] <Hobbsee_> Nightrose: fix the patch :)
[09:45] <Jucato> what is breakfast? :)
[09:46] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:48] <Hobbsee> then dont do it?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> oh wait, then no one would :P
[09:49] <Jucato> yeah... some one has to do the dirty work :(
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: we have a new status now - WONTFIX - can mark most of the kde bugs like that, and file them upstream
[09:49] <Jucato> oooh
[09:49] <Jucato> can't we just have an UPSTREAM status? :)
[09:50] <Jucato> wontfix sounds.... oh well. not my place :)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> there are too many statuses already
[09:50] <Jucato> upstream has wontfix anyway :)
[09:50] <mhb> won'tfix wasn't a good decision
[09:50] <mhb> I mean for a label
[09:50] <Hobbsee> true
[09:50] <Hobbsee> hiya Lure
[09:50] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh there, you can ask mhb which branch  of kdesudo to use
[09:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: see ^
[09:51] <Jucato> * Hobbsee wonders why there are *2*  branches of kdesudo <Hobbsee> as it looks like people have uploaded different bits to both of them <--- mhb: see, too :)
[09:52] <Jucato> oh wait, there's such a thing as scrollback... :(
[09:52] <Lure> Hobbsee: hi
[09:52] <mhb> Jucato: there is , but only if you stay online, which I didn't do
[09:52] <Jucato> oh yeah.. didn't see you come in :)
[09:54] <mhb> Jucato: so who's asking about kdesudo? You or Hobbsee ?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> me
[09:54] <mhb> anyway...
[09:54] <Jucato> mhb: Hobbsee
[09:54] <Jucato> there's a new apt? O.o
[09:55] <hunger> Jucato: My aptitude says so... and wants to deinstall kubuntu-desktop since adept has a versioned dependecy on the old version.
[09:55] <Jucato> oh..
[09:56] <mhb> Hobbsee: there is the "trunk" version, which is the original "kdesudo" with extra patches from me, Tonio, fdoving and other folks
[09:57] <_marseillais_> hi
[09:57] <_marseillais_> http://blogs.gnome.org/seb128/2007/06/19/ubuntu-desktop-news/ will we use xdg-users-dir too in kubuntu ??
[09:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: and there is a experimental^2 version called "kdesu-trunk", where RadiantFire and me are trying to make a sudo frontend subclassed from the PtyProcess class, so it will be very easy to merge kdesu and kdesudo
[09:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: the latter doesn't work and it's for us two only
[09:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: the former is the only one you need to know
[10:05] <mhb> Hobbsee: of course, if you go crazy, suddenly start to learn all the crazy Pty-related stuff, you could help us with the latter, too :o)
[10:06] <hunger> mhb: Working with pty's always makes me want to trash this whole unix thing and switch to plan 9:-)
[10:07] <mhb> hunger: heh :o) I can imagine
[10:08] <hunger> _marseillais_: Looks messy, doesn't it?
[10:08] <_marseillais_> hunger, yep
[10:08] <_marseillais_> and most of all : there is no kde frontend
[10:09] <hunger> _marseillais_: I fail to see the need for that shell-script-hack... with or without a frontend.
[10:10] <_marseillais_> hunger, me too but perhaps it's easier for windows user... don't know
[10:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: right
[10:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: heh, i'll be right
[10:14] <_marseillais_> arf hunger ... it seems xdg-user-dir redepend on ubuntu-standard
[10:29] <_StefanS_> hi all
[10:29] <_StefanS_> mhb: you there+
[10:30] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_
[10:30] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[10:30] <mhb> _StefanS_: yup
[10:31] <_StefanS_> mhb: where in the process should the dpkg configure code be tied to ?
[10:31] <_StefanS_> mhb: just describe it to me :)
[10:32] <mhb> _StefanS_: right after the start, adept checks for dpkg being locked
[10:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: in pseudocode, something like this should follow:
[10:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: if(DpkgIsLocked) {
[10:33] <mhb> _StefanS_:   if(DpkgConfigureWillFix) {
[10:34] <mhb>     printf("running dpkg --configure will do.")
[10:34] <mhb> }
[10:34] <mhb> _StefanS_:   else{
[10:35] <mhb> _StefanS_:     printf("you may have more package managers running");
[10:35] <mhb> _StefanS_:   }
[10:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: }
[10:35] <_StefanS_> mhb: alright, I guess we need some sort of visual stuff to show what is happening ? (like the "install-packages thing" where you can wait till it finishes, and select details to see the console output
[10:35] <_StefanS_> ?
[10:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: (I mean, the dpkg --configure can take a while if you were doing a larger installation of packages.)
[10:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: actually, I created a python tool that runs a nice visual stuff, with show details and all
[10:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: its an envelope for adept?
[10:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: that fixes it with visual feedback
[10:37] <mhb> _StefanS_: in the current approach, adept should run this tool when it knows that it's needed
[10:37] <mhb> _StefanS_: so all I actually need is to pop-up a warning message with a "Fix" button
[10:37] <_StefanS_> mhb: uhm, can't it just do it internally in the code instead of relying on an external program ?
[10:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: you would launch a new process anyway. But if you volunteer to write a C++ equivalent, why not :o)
[10:39] <_StefanS_> mhb: sounds like a good project. I will look into it during the weekend
[10:39] <mhb> _StefanS_: truth is, we're already having a bit heterogenous environment with gdebi-kde written in python
[10:40] <_StefanS_> mhb: gdebi-kde ?
[10:40] <_StefanS_> ah I see ..
[10:40] <mhb> _StefanS_: basically a "dpkg -i" frontend
[10:40] <_StefanS_> yes got it.
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Well I'll just have a look on how to implement it, and if it turns out that its not worth containing it in adept itself, i will just call your program
[10:41] <_StefanS_> agree?
[10:41] <mhb> oaky
[10:41] <mhb> okay
[10:41] <mhb> _StefanS_: truth is, it took me about 1,5 hours to do it
[10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep, its pretty rapid in python..
[10:42] <mhb> _StefanS_: and I'd be happy if I could call that application too
[10:42] <mhb> _StefanS_: from gdebi-kde
[10:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: uhm so you need gdebi-kde to be able to "fix" also ?
[10:43] <_StefanS_> mhb: then there might be good merit for just having you "fix"-program being called by package managers
[10:43] <mhb> _StefanS_:yes, that's the original idea
[10:43] <_StefanS_> uhm ok..
[10:44] <_StefanS_> I will look at it, and get back during the weekend.
[10:44] <_StefanS_> have to do some regular (paid) work now :D
[10:44] <_StefanS_> (unfortunately..)
[10:44] <mhb> _StefanS_: does it mean you already have the "check if dpkg --configure is all we need" part done?
[10:45] <_StefanS_> mhb: nope not yet, but its almost copy-paste, so it should be easy enough
[10:45] <mhb> _StefanS_: that's true.
[10:45] <mhb> _StefanS_: well, enjoy the work .o)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: thanks ;) - I probably will until it starts annoying me :D
[10:46] <mhb> manchicken|away: _StefanS_ said he will look into that "dpkg --configure" adept check, so don't worry about that
[11:17] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: here we go again ;-) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5682
[01:05] <rdale> i'm having a problem with multiple version of the Qt4 libs on feisty. I have a qt 4.2.3 in /usr/lib, and a qt 4.3 in /opt/kde4. no matter how i set $LD_LIBRARY_PATH i always seem to get the one in /usr/lib
[01:05] <rdale> but when i do an 'ldd' on my lib it tells me i should get the one in /opt/kde4
[01:08] <Riddell> rdale: puzzling.  tried just removing qt 4.2.3?
[01:09] <rdale> yes, and it works fine
[01:36] <manchicken|away> mhb: If he can build adept in a way that runs :)
[01:36] <manchicken|away> mhb: Because nobody seems to be having much luck with that lately :)
[01:41] <mbiebl> Tonio_: hi
[01:41] <mbiebl> I've just been looking at the nm 0.6.5 package in gutsy
[01:42] <mbiebl> Why have you dropped the backend patch? I don't think it's obsolete
[01:42] <Tonio_> backend patch ?
[01:42] <Tonio_> which one is it ? there were many patches :)
[01:43] <mbiebl> 05-debian_backend.patch
[01:44] <mbiebl> I also think that "Dropped 13-rml-wpa-workarounds.patch, merged upstream" is a bit incorrect in the changelog.
[01:44] <mbiebl> the rml patch has always been inofficial and is not merged upstream.
[01:59] <Tonio_> mbiebl: strange I put that comment then.......
[02:00] <Tonio_> mbiebl: I'm at work now, but I'll have tomorrow to look into this, can we make a point then ?
[02:01] <mbiebl> Cool, would be great.
[02:01] <Tonio_> mbiebl: yep
[02:01] <mbiebl> Tonio_: Maybe I find some time tomorrow to also get the packages ready for Debian.
[02:01] <Tonio_> mbiebl: I must I didn't have a lot of time to package all of this, so I may have done one or 2 errors
[02:01] <mbiebl> So we can try the get the delta smaller again.
[03:53] <hunger> Could somebody please fix adept to install with the new apt?
[03:53] <Riddell> it needs kees to do a security review
[03:53] <Riddell> of xapian
[03:54] <Riddell> it's in my "blocked" items for the week
[03:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: Amarok release will be in a few minutes - just to warn you ;-)
[03:56] <LongPointyStick> Nightrose: hooray!
[03:56] <nixternal> woohoo
[03:56] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:56] <LongPointyStick> hiya
[03:56] <Nightrose> ;-) jea but wait a few more minutes
[03:56] <nixternal> hiya Riddell!
[03:56] <Nightrose> we are putting up the releasenotes
[03:56] <Riddell> Nightrose: thanks, I just uploaded, although it'll take a few hours to get into backports
[03:56] <nixternal> Nightrose: you messed up by telling us, now we can't wait!
[03:56] <Nightrose> hehe
[03:57] <Nightrose> Riddell: ok thx
[03:57] <nixternal> I am one who always thought amaroK, yes not Amarok, was a bit much. Somehow, someway, it is an app I cannot live without
[03:57] <hunger> What does amarok do?
[03:57] <nixternal> it plays tunes
[03:58] <hunger> Isen't that one of those music players?
[03:58] <nixternal> that is just 1/100th of what it does those
[03:58] <hunger> Ah, ok, that explains why I do not know it then;-)
[03:58] <Nightrose> hunger: it's a little more than that ;-)
[03:58] <Nightrose> visit amarok.kde.org
[03:58] <hunger> Nightrose: No need. I don't listen to music.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> who's up for fixing the install mp3 script?
[03:59] <Nightrose> not? how can you survive without music=
[03:59] <Hobbsee> oh cool - it's partially fixed, at least
[03:59] <nixternal> Hobbsee: point me to it with the LongPointyStick
[03:59] <hunger> Nightrose: I guess I saw it before... some annoying monster that keeps telling me I need a playlist for some reason or another.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's on hte milestoned list
[04:01] <nixternal> haha, I reported that one :)
[04:01] <hunger> Nightrose: I guess I'm kind of tone deaf or something...
[04:02] <Hobbsee> neat, an accepted mail :)
[04:02] <nixternal> accepted mail for what?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> amarok
[04:02] <nixternal> president of the world?
[04:02] <nixternal> oh
[04:02] <Nightrose> ah ok - I listen to music all the time because it's so quiet in my flat without it
[04:03] <nixternal> I listen to Jono Bacon and the crew all of the time, because w/o them, Linux wouldn't be funny :)
[04:03] <Nightrose> hehe yea they are fun
[04:03] <nixternal> I have been hooked on listening to the last.fm neighbor feeds...I have found some really good music that way
[04:04] <nixternal> probably need to stop buying every CD I hear on there though ;p
[04:04] <Nightrose> *g*
[04:05] <ScottK> nixternal: You need to stop buying them entirely so you stop feeding the copyright criminals.
[04:05] <nixternal> well, I do believe that the artists are entitled to their money ($.20 per CD now I think)
[04:05] <nixternal> I can't believe how much the artists get ripped off by the record companies
[04:06] <nixternal> I tend to go to the used CD store down the street. I can buy all kinds of CDs for like $4 or $5
[04:06] <ScottK> nixternal: Not saying you should rip off the artists or do anything illegal.  Just don't buy the CDs except when artists sell them directly (or Magnatune, they're the exception to the rule).
[04:07] <ScottK> Used is not so bad.
[04:07] <nixternal> ya, I don't buy brand new except for Sammy Hagar
[04:08] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, he is reviewing my resume right now to work as a Business/Marketing manager in their small IT division at Cabo Wabo
[04:08] <nixternal> I made it clear I am more than willing to move to Cabo San Lucas to start work :)
[04:22] <ScottK> nixternal: Wow.  That'd be cool.
[04:27] <nixternal> heck ya it would. that would be my dream job
[04:27] <nixternal> I have been doing pesos to dollar conversion, and I figured it would be the first time I would make a million in one year, just not dollars :)
[04:29] <nixternal> base salary of like 800,000 pesos :)
[04:33] <nixternal> I love Cabo, both the town and the tequilla ;)
[04:33] <nixternal> we go down every October for the Mexican Meltdown and a week of ocean side golfing
[04:52] <Nightrose> Amarok 1.4.6 is released ;-) - releasenotes: http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/234 and digg: http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1_4_6_released_with_LOTS_of_improvements
[04:52] <Hobbsee> woo!!!!
[05:04] <rouzic> Hi all
[05:04] <nosrednaekim> hello all, are there any python applications that need porting for kubuntu, or need to be written?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: likely.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: I'd love to do something.
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> if its graphical, it has to be qt(though I doubt that should be an issue here)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> someone's doing the restricted manager, last i heard
[05:06] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: what do you see in ubuntu that's not in kubuntu, that you'd like to see?
[05:06] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: yeah, I was thinking about that..... but Riddell said it was taken by someone.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> i dont remember who, though
[05:07] <rouzic> amarok 1.4.6 is release for Kubuntu?
[05:07] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: hmm don't use ubuntu ;)
[05:07] <nosrednaekim> but lemme think about it..
[05:07] <Hobbsee> rouzic: yes.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: release notes and such might help
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: how about a font installer that gets fonts from the internet and lets users preview them? like the kde wallpaper Downloader from kdelook.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: you'd probably want something used a lot - and i think the font kcm module lets you do that in part at least, doesnt it?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> i was trying otu superkaramba earlier - the net searching seems slow
[05:09] <Hobbsee> also, you want to do something not obsoleted by kde4
[05:09] <nosrednaekim> it lets you install font's, but not easily find them
[05:09] <nosrednaekim> true.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:10] <Hobbsee> pick whatever :)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> obviosuly, the stuff that's going to be used the most tends to be the most worthwhile
[05:10] <Hobbsee> also there are some specs which are mostly gtk only
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bulletproofX is an eg of that :(
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> i'll keep think'n :)
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> I don't see why that can't be tied directly to X.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> me neither, but i know almost nothing of X :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: python...python...
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> amarok script?
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> for what?
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> you can write amarok scripts in python or ruby from what i've seen
[05:12] <nixternal> Hobbsee: bug 119598 - what do you think about a dialog similar to the install-mp3 one for Konqueror where people can easily disable ipv6 to speed up Konqueror when there are no ipv6 services used
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119598 in kubuntu-meta "[WISH]  A GUI checkbox for the KDE_NO_IPV6 setting" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119598
[05:13] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/amarok/+bug/58617
[05:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58617 in amarok "mp3 installation script crashes and/or hangs" [High,Confirmed] 
[05:14] <Nightrose> Riddell: amarok 1.4.6. is released - can you post the news on kubuntu.org or do we need to wait for the package?
[05:15] <Nightrose> Riddell: releasenotes are at http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/234
[05:15] <nixternal> Nightrose: wait for the package, then the pimpage comes!
[05:15] <Nightrose> ok
[05:15] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: it appears to be broken for some people, and i dont know why
[05:15] <nixternal> I am sure there will be an edgy/feisty package deal in the announcement
[05:16] <Hobbsee> why edgy?
[05:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: could it be broken due to the bash/dash stuff?
[05:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: because I said it ;p
[05:16] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i've no idea.
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: it says upstream, so its not really a kubuntu script?
[05:17] <nixternal> I know a couple of my scripts I have written didn't work with dash, and have since then /bin/sh -> /bin/bash
[05:17] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: it's a kubuntu script
[05:17] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: afaik.
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: there is a bugs.kde.org bug for it.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> dunno why someoen decided to add the upstream watch
[05:17] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: yeah - but it's our bug
[05:17] <nixternal> I checked the changelog, and it doesn't state where the script started, however the first notice about the install-mp3 script in the changelog is Hobbsee making it executable
[05:18] <Hobbsee> it's our script - it only works on debian-based systems anyway, you'll notice
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: ok, I see.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> kubuntu, in fact - no adept anywhere else
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: that script is in bash.
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3
[05:21] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:21] <nixternal> should have kdialog run a progress bar and increase the progress after every step in the install process
[05:22] <Hobbsee> why does the script not use a killall amarok  && amarok in there too?
[05:22] <nosrednaekim> that script will fail if you don't have the multiverse enabled... could that be it?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> even a pkill, if it's having trouble dying
[05:23] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: universe.  and most will
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: right...
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: but have you checked with all the bug responders if they had universe enabled?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:24] <Hobbsee> i havent touched it much at all
[05:24] <Hobbsee> seeing as it just works here
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: never tested it myself... I just apt-get libxine-extracodecs right off
[05:26] <nixternal> universe is enabled by default since feisty, and the problem still existed
[05:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: where's the problem?  getting the dialog up and working, about installing the mp3 support, or after that, where amarok needs to be restarted, and you hit OK
[05:27] <nixternal> from the bug report, it seems the restarting portion tend to lock up
[05:27] <Hobbsee> it seems odd that it'd crash at the end of kdialog - but i still dont understand why we dont just killall amarok or something there, and restart it for the user
[05:27] <Hobbsee> even give a dialog box about what we're doing.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> seems odd that we're saying "you have to do this" instead of just doing it
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: nixternal: going to uninstall libxine-extracodecs to test it.
[05:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you don't have to hadd the shebang in the script (#!/bin/sh) if it is located in debian/* ?
[05:29] <nixternal> s/hadd/add
[05:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i've no idea
[05:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i think that was a bu
[05:29] <Hobbsee> g
[05:29] <Hobbsee> which was fixed
[05:29] <nixternal> hehe
[05:30] <Hobbsee> well, i fixed in my packages
[05:30] <Hobbsee> even though the changelog entry was already there
[05:30] <nixternal> hrmm, I just see "fixes" documented, no details though
[05:32] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: what would happen if they had a package manager open while they were running this script?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: then i believe it dies.
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: nicely?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: what really *should* happen is that it gets rewritten more robustly
[05:34] <Hobbsee> dont think so
[05:34] <Hobbsee> i mean, it's better than it was - but it's still rather...nasty
[05:34] <Hobbsee> and clearly doesnt work for some people
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> Why does it need adept/synaptic?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> to install libxine-ffmpeg
[05:37] <Hobbsee> (and download it first)
[05:37] <nosrednaekim> yeah, but why can't it just do apt-get?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: no, you're fine.  i asked the same question.  it was Riddell's preference, as apt-get looks nasty or something.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> as in, the kdesu dialog for it
[05:39] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: ah
[05:49] <Hobbsee> oops
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> the other thing i'm interested in is adding download scripts to Adept
[05:51] <ScottK> That doesn't sound encouraging.
[05:51] <ScottK> nosrednaekim: That wasn't directed at you.
[05:52] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: i know :)
[05:52] <ScottK> Just making sure...
[05:53] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> you're not using konversation? shame..
[05:55] <Tm_T> er?
[05:55] <Tm_T> what's shame on that?
[05:55] <Tm_T> just to make sure I don't make mistakes (;
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[05:55] <Tm_T> well, no real buttons in that sense at all
[05:56] <ScottK> point/pointy...
[05:56] <nosrednaekim> baseball bats are better
[05:56] <ScottK> Maybe, but Hobbsee specializes in sharp and pointy.
[05:57] <Tm_T> I wonder why...
[05:57] <nosrednaekim> you mean... i'm a TARGET?
[05:58] <Tm_T> more like, err, dead man
[05:58] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: i am
[05:59] <mhb> nosrednaekim: she's going to hit you with a pointy stick and label you as "wontfix"
[06:00] <nosrednaekim> Oh the humanity..
[06:00] <Tm_T> well that's more humane option
[06:01] <ScottK> Perhaps just to show the inherent superiority on Long Pointy Sticks over baseball bats.
[06:07] <nosrednaekim> OUch
[06:11] <nosrednaekim> The one thing that kubuntu has that ubuntu doesn't have is a nice powermanager.
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: I found out who is doing the restricted-manager, its martin Bohm
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: oh cool
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> mhb perhaps?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> mhb: how's it going?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> seems to be still under review
[06:19] <Hobbsee> what, teh spec?
[06:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah, it seems
[06:19] <nosrednaekim> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-restricted-manager
[06:19] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[06:19] <Hobbsee> they may or may not be updated
[06:20] <nosrednaekim> what may be updated? the page?
[06:21] <nosrednaekim> (or may not)
[06:28] <nixternal> woohoo, so far 1 +1 ;p
[06:29] <nixternal> thanks ScottK...didn't even know that list really existed until looking at the new lists theme
[06:30] <ScottK> nixternal: Which list?
[06:30] <nixternal> motu-council
[06:32] <ScottK> Ah.  Yeah.  I didn't subscribe until AFTER I'd sent my application in.  That was a bit of a nuisance... "Hi, I'm very sharp and know what I'm doing so I should be a MOTU, but I forgot to subscribe to the list before I applied, so please let my application out of the moderation queue."
[06:33] <raphink> digikam 0.9.2 is out :)
[06:43] <rouzic> raphink: :D
[06:43] <raphink> if anyone feels like updating the package
[06:43] <raphink> ;)
[06:47] <DaSkreech> What are the names of the machines that were suppoed to be distributed around africa where you can bring a CD or a DVD and burn your own Distro?
[06:49] <nixternal> freedom toasters
[06:51] <Mez> indeed nixternal
[06:51] <nixternal> hiya Mez
[06:53] <DaSkreech> http://www.freedomtoaster.org
[07:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I just successfully signed my first S/MIME message using Kmail (per our KDE Gutsy goals).  Looks like some config changes and maybe moving stuff from recommends to depends.  I'm now working on figuring the minimum change set to get it to work.
[07:21] <Riddell> ScottK: great
[08:18] <rouzic> when amarok 1.4.6 for Kubuntu? :(
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Are we supposed to ssh into people's machines to fix it?
[08:34] <ScottK> Fix what?
[08:36] <DaSkreech> ScottK: CDs won't mount s/he says
[08:36] <ScottK> Oh
[08:37] <DaSkreech> unionfs complains about the user I thin
[08:50] <DaSkreech> ScottK: have 20 minutes ?
[08:50] <ScottK> I'll be here for the next 20 minutes and can give you some of my attention, but can't give you dedicated focus.
[08:52] <DaSkreech> ScottK: K this user is irate and  i wont be here in 10 minutes
[08:54] <DaSkreech> ScottK: me either much
[08:55] <DaSkreech> ScottK: it's ok his mom told him to go to bed
[08:55] <DaSkreech> ScottK: I'll see him tomorrow
[08:56] <xerosis> mhb: around?
[09:06] <ScottK> Riddell: For S/MIME by default pinentry-qt will need a MIR.  Are you up for being the core-dev to sponsor it?
[09:07] <ScottK> DaSkreech: JFTR, as a rule I don't volunteer deal with irate users.  If they want me to volunteer to help them they need to be polite.
[09:08] <DaSkreech> ScottK: yeah not so much irate as really unhelpful.
[09:08] <DaSkreech> doesn't want to type commands
[09:08] <ScottK> DaSkreech: If it's because of ignorance, I'm OK with that, but if they won't even try, there's no point.
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah that was pointed out :)
[09:44] <TheInfinity> hmm ... is somebody here with an 64 bit processor? i need a package compiled in 64bit ...
[09:45] <TheInfinity> official bug in ubuntu since more then 6 month :(
[10:02] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, sure
[10:02] <Riddell> ScottK: what source package is it in?
[10:03] <ScottK> Riddell: It's in pinentry
[10:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I sent mail to kubuntu-devel on the topic
[10:05] <ScottK> Riddell: The part I'm not sure of is kubuntu only needs the one binary, not all of them.
[11:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu news about amarok release can go live now? ... seems like the packages are online
[12:06] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: packages were released in gutsy atleast
[12:06] <apachelogger> oh, indeed, they are gutsy
[12:06] <apachelogger> can't think clearly right now :P
[12:08] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:10] <RadiantFire> which reminds me, where should I send the survey they asked for?
[12:10] <RadiantFire> do you know apachelogger?
[12:13] <apachelogger> RadiantFire:
[12:13] <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/User:Apachelogger/User_Survey
[12:13] <apachelogger> amarok-survey@googlegroups.com
[12:13] <RadiantFire> thank you
[12:13] <RadiantFire> oh, I didn't see the link
[12:13] <RadiantFire> doh!