[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121450 in launchpad "no link from maintainer reassign page to maintainer page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121450
[12:52] <vprints> Does my karma decrease because of bugs that get solved ?
[12:53] <shawarma> vprints: Not directly, no.
[12:53] <vprints> Hmm
[12:53] <vprints> WHY is my karma constantly decreasing then :D
[12:54] <vprints> can't think of any other reason
[12:54] <shawarma> vprints: It decreases over time.
[12:54] <shawarma> vprints: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[12:54] <shawarma> vprints: "Everybody's Launchpad karma decays slightly over time, to reflect how recent your work has been." (Not from that page)
[12:55] <vprints> Okay
[12:55] <vprints> Thankyou
[12:55] <shawarma> np
[12:56] <vprints> Btw, I did search for "karma" term on launcpad search, but it gives no results
[12:56] <vprints> sad :)
[12:56] <vprints> (it still gives no results)
[12:56] <shawarma> Which search is that?
[12:57] <shawarma> vprints: By the way: Front page -> What's new -> third entry :)
[12:58] <vprints> meky
[12:58] <vprints> mkey
[12:58] <vprints> but still i'd expect an explanation when i type carma into LP search :)
[12:58] <vprints> well, according to my logic :P
[12:59] <shawarma> which search?
[12:59] <shawarma> The box on the front page?
[01:02] <vprints> Questions and answers for example
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #121460 in malone "Search for "duplicity" (product) produces lots of irrelevant results (like search for "duplicate")" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121460
[02:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[03:13] <nDuff> What restrictions are there on projects to be hosted on Launchpad? I've got a Win32-only GUI for OpenVPN (which, unlike the preexisting one, uses the management interface and so is Vista-compatible); I'm wondering, however, if a win32-only project is welcome.
[03:15] <nDuff> ...also, what exactly is a project's "title"? I've got a descriptive (and admittedly somewhat uncreative) name, and I don't really see anything that makes sense as a separate or additional descriptor -- but it seems to be mandatory.
[03:21] <bac> nDuff: your win32 project is definitely welcome if it is open source.
[03:21] <nDuff> bac: so it is; nifty.
[03:24] <bac> nDuff: look here for the various project descriptors in context: https://staging.launchpad.net/project-name
[03:24] <nDuff> I suppose the title and display name can match, then.
[03:25] <bac> yep
[03:28] <nDuff> hmm. Launchpad offers bzr hosting for the code... but since this is win32-targeted, I really ought to offer binaries too. Do I need my own hosting for that?
[03:28] <nDuff> (win32-targeted, and in a fairly obscure language [albeit one with a completely Free toolchain]  to boot)
[03:32] <LaserJock> I think recently launchpad as added the ability to host like tarballs
[04:18] <mpt> bug 1
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[04:38] <nDuff> I grok how to upload code to a private branch... but what do the URLs look like to merge something to the project's primary trunk?
[04:40] <mpt> thumper, ^^
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121480 in launchpad ""Why register?" text needs polishing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121480
[04:41] <thumper> nDuff: what do you mean by private branch?
[04:42] <nDuff> thumper: a branch with ~myusername in the URL.
[04:42] <thumper> nDuff: it also depends on wher the project's primary trunk branch is
[04:42] <thumper> nDuff: do you have an explicit example?
[04:43] <nDuff> thumper: my code is presently at sftp://charles-dyfis@bazaar.launchpad.net/~charles-dyfis/openvpnsocketgui/trunk; however, on the openvpnsocketgui page, the primary trunk (which apparently that *isn't*) shows up as not having anything uploaded.
[04:45] <nDuff> oh, wait.
[04:45] <nDuff> I think I just needed to select that branch as part of the "series detail" info for the trunk...
[04:46] <nDuff> okay -- that works; my bad.
[04:46] <thumper> ok
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #121483 in launchpad "[wish-list]  Search translations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121483
[06:36] <mthaddon> Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is approx 30 mins
[06:37] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: must be time to do some bugwork, then.
[06:37] <mthaddon> yep, it's that time again!
[06:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:51] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: GAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:53] <spiv> Hobbsee: use the email interface, they'll queue until LP is back up :)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> spiv: i can only read the title...but that's a good idea!
[06:53] <spiv> (also using email means you don't have to wait for the slow https pages to load...)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> spiv: ahhh..  now there's a thought.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> spiv: but didnt you know that i love standard 20 second launchpad loading times?
[06:56] <spiv> Hobbsee: if you're enjoying them, don't let me interfere! ;)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> spiv: heh.  where enjoying == has gottne used to, as it beats over a minute to load each page :P
[06:57] <Hobbsee> now *that* sucked.
[06:57] <spiv> Yep.
[06:57] <lifeless> Leave the light bulb, I enjoy sitting in the dark.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:01] <somerville33> How long is the downtown?
[07:01] <somerville33> lol
[07:01] <somerville33> *downtime
[07:02] <Hobbsee> [14:36]  <mthaddon> Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is approx 30 mins
[07:03] <somerville33> Sadly, it made me lose the edits I was making to a specification : (
[07:07] <Hobbsee> somerville33: ahh, you're not in #ubuntu-devel?
[07:08] <somerville33> I'm on a live-cd so I'm just using gaim to connect to a few channels.
[07:30] <mthaddon> Launchpad is back up after code update - total downtime was 26 minutes
[07:31] <jml> mthaddon: sweet
[07:35] <LaserJock> mthaddon: is this 1.1.6?
[07:35] <mthaddon> LasrJock: correct
[07:35] <mthaddon> s/LasrJock/LaserJock
[07:39] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: works nicely
[07:40] <LaserJock> should be quite a few nifty improvements
[09:22] <jamesh> yay for colours in bug listings
[09:29] <somerville32> How exciting :)
[09:30] <Fujitsu> It is a nice addition.
[09:30] <Fujitsu> What defines release criticality? Being targeted to that release?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: where?
[09:31] <Fujitsu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[09:31] <Fujitsu> Left portlet.
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah yes, that's just targetted to release
[09:33] <Hobbsee> ooh....
[09:33] <Hobbsee> i like this bit...
[09:33] <Fujitsu> What's so oohsome?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+nominations
[09:34] <Fujitsu> Yay for sane permissions!
[09:38] <somerville32> lol
[09:38] <somerville32> Dapper got released with 120 release-critical bugs?
[09:38] <somerville32> *130
[09:38] <Hobbsee> those were added later
[09:38] <Hobbsee> somerville32: people have been able to add random tasks for versions
[09:39] <Hobbsee> until it broke, or something
[09:39] <somerville32> ah
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121512 in malone "canTransitionToStatus should also return a reason" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121512
[10:23] <kompressor> lo all, how do i make my team to be a subteam of Ubuntu Translators in launchpad?
[10:23] <kompressor> lo ajmitch :)
[10:29] <carlos> kompressor: either open a ticket on answers.launchpad.net/rosetta or tell me here language and team name
[10:29] <kompressor> carlos will do just now thanx
[10:29] <carlos> ok
[10:31] <kompressor> carlos, i sent you an email earlier on the 13th about that ...did you get?
[10:31] <carlos> hmm, let me check...
[10:32] <carlos> Southern Sotho?
[10:32] <kompressor> carlos, yes
[10:32] <carlos> indeed, I missed it
[10:32] <kompressor> :-( well you cant miss it now...
[10:33] <carlos> kompressor: could you rename your team to ubuntu-l10n-st ?
[10:34] <kompressor> carlos, im on it now...
[10:34] <carlos> thanks
[10:34] <carlos> kompressor: the team is set now
[10:37] <kompressor> carlos, thanx the team is renamed now 
[10:37] <kompressor> :)
[10:37] <carlos> cool
[10:37] <kompressor> carlos, another issue is the plurals when i try to do some work
[10:37] <carlos> do you know that information?
[10:38] <kompressor> i'd probably know if i new exactly what is required ...the message given is not clear to me
[10:38] <kompressor> perhaps let me find one for an example
[10:38] <carlos> kompressor: please, take a look to https://help.launchpad.net/RosettaFAQ#head-168f69f965337a49d0ca9a0c69da7fee29100bd5
[10:38] <kompressor> ok
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #121519 in soyuz "sync-source aborts with ForbiddenAttribute" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121519
[10:49] <kompressor> carlos i think i understand...especially with the Polish example here http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_10.html#Plural-forms
[10:49] <carlos> kompressor: you can see other examples on https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages
[10:50] <carlos> well, there is only the expression formula per language
[10:50] <carlos> but I guess would help you if you have doubts
[10:50] <kompressor> so carlos i would have to describe how plurals are handled in my language..?
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121520 in rosetta "Language pages show merged accounts" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121520
[10:51] <carlos> kompressor: yeah
[10:51] <carlos> if you don't know how to write the formula, describe it to us and we will prepare it for you
[10:52] <kompressor> ok cool...let me check more on this and get back to you then
[10:52] <carlos> kompressor: ok
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121521 in launchpad "Launchpad teams have wikinames but there is no link to edit it" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121521
[12:20] <kompressor> ping carlos 
[01:06] <carlos> kompressor: pong
[01:07] <kompressor> carlos, i was about to post the information via a question in https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages
[01:07] <kompressor> let me just put it so you'll reply to it..
[01:08] <carlos> kompressor: as you wish. Do you have the formula?
[01:08] <kompressor> hmm im not sure its the right one ...but according to the examples you sent me to yes
[01:09] <carlos> ok
[01:09] <kompressor> carlos, actually im posting a description so you'll prepare it for me
[01:09] <carlos> ok
[01:09] <kompressor> https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/8524
[01:11] <carlos> kompressor: so
[01:11] <carlos> it's '0 faele' and '1 faele' ?
[01:11] <kompressor> it would be '0 difaele' 
[01:12] <carlos> so you have two different singular forms
[01:12] <carlos> is the same with plurals?
[01:12] <kompressor> yes 
[01:12] <carlos> is it 'difaele' for anything > 1?
[01:12] <kompressor> yes
[01:12] <carlos> ok
[01:12] <kompressor> notice the 'di'
[01:13] <carlos> oh
[01:13] <carlos> ok
[01:13] <carlos> so 
[01:13] <kompressor> but carlos 
[01:13] <carlos> the right formula is 
[01:13] <carlos> n != 1
[01:13] <kompressor> in other cases the di is substituted with 'ma' or 'me'
[01:14] <carlos> depending on the word or the number?
[01:14] <kompressor> depending on the word
[01:14] <carlos> that's fine
[01:14] <carlos> with tha formula
[01:14] <kompressor> like 1 person = 1 motho
[01:14] <kompressor> 2 people = 2 batho
[01:14] <carlos> you will get two fields when you are translating a message with plurals
[01:15] <kompressor> ok
[01:15] <carlos> so you will use 'di', 'ma' or 'me' depending on the context 
[01:15] <carlos> we don't do that automatically
[01:15] <kompressor> and 'ba'
[01:15] <kompressor> 'din'
[01:15] <carlos> ok, and 'ba' :-)
[01:15] <kompressor> and lastly 'ho'
[01:15] <kompressor> its what we call classes of the language
[01:16] <carlos> I see
[01:16] <kompressor> the singulars would be ...mo, le, se, n, bo ,and ho
[01:16] <carlos> kompressor: I just applied plural forms for Southern Sotho to Launchpad
[01:16] <kompressor> carlos, thanks
[01:17] <kompressor> at least ive shared a bit of the language with someone today
[01:17] <kompressor> :)
[01:18] <carlos> :-)
[01:18] <kompressor> carlos, going on...are you aware of translations we do at translate.org.za
[01:18] <kompressor> do you work together somehow?
[01:18] <carlos> I know about translate.org.za
[01:19] <carlos> and we have use some of the converting tools provided by that project
[01:19] <carlos> although we don't share code between launchpad and pootle if that's what you mean
[01:20] <kompressor> ok
[01:21] <kompressor> next i want to change the countries in which Southern Sotho is spoken
[01:21] <kompressor> carlos, the language is also spoke in Lesotho
[01:21] <carlos> that will not be so fast
[01:21] <carlos> I don't have yet a direct way to change it
[01:21] <carlos> so I need to ask it to our DBA
[01:22] <kompressor> ok fine for now then
[01:22] <carlos> please, file a new ticket for that. I have a couple of those requests pending
[01:22] <kompressor> ok will file one
[01:22] <carlos> and I'm planning to do it anytime between today and tomorrow
[01:23] <kompressor> ok
[01:36] <shawarma> Can someone explain why I received an e-mail about bug 121292 ? I'm not the reporter, I'm not a member of ubuntu-bugs, kubuntu-members, nor kubuntu-council..
[01:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121292 in ksudoku "test bug" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121292
[01:39] <jtv> shawarma: usually it's because some team you are a member of is in turn a member of a team that is subscribed.
[01:40] <shawarma> jtv: I usually is, but not in this case.
[01:40] <jtv> hmmm
[01:40] <shawarma> Um.. Yes.
[01:40] <shawarma> sorry.
[01:40] <shawarma> I seem to be an indirect member of ubuntu-bugs..
[01:41] <shawarma> so... why am I not getting *all* bug mail?
[01:42] <jtv> I'm not really at home in this part of launchpad...  is there any pattern you can distinguish in what you do get?
[01:43] <shawarma> well. i've only gotten one unexpected e-mail and that was the one about 121292.
[01:46] <jtv> Again, I'm on very unfamiliar terroritory here, but could it be that ubuntu-bugs automatically gets subscribed to bugs now (but not before)?
[01:47] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, what does your email footer say?
[01:47] <shawarma> kiko-zzz: Nothing. "Test bug" and the url.
[01:48] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, huh? there's a rationale in every bug footer. 
[01:48] <shawarma> kiko-zzz: Well.. I can forward it to you. :)
[01:48] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, what does the X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale header say?
[01:48] <kiko-zzz> please forward with full headers
[01:48] <shawarma> Oh, didn't know about that one. gimme a sec.
[01:49] <shawarma> kiko-zzz: There's no such header.
[01:49] <shawarma> kiko-zzz: kiko@canonical.com?
[01:51] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, I think this is a piece of very old bugmail. like years old.
[01:51] <kiko-zzz> yes
[01:51] <shawarma> kiko-zzz: It's dated yesterday.
[01:51] <shawarma> kiko-zzz: Sent
[01:51] <shawarma> It *is* 2007, right?
[01:52] <carlos> shawarma: are you member of kubuntu-council or kubuntu-members  ?
[01:52] <shawarma> No.
[01:52] <shawarma> Ah... I think I see it now.
[01:53] <shawarma> I just noticed that the bug says it affected samba for which I'm bug contect... but why oh why doesn't it put that in the footer then?
[01:53] <kiko-zzz> it does
[01:53] <kiko-zzz> something's weird
[01:53] <shawarma> Theory:
[01:54] <carlos> shawarma: are you https://launchpad.net/~shawarma ?
[01:54] <shawarma> Maybe it decided to send me the e-mail and when it finally got around to sending it, the reason for which it wanted to send it was no longer true?
[01:54] <shawarma> carlos: Sure am.
[01:54] <kiko-zzz> looken
[01:54] <carlos> shawarma: you are member of ubuntu-bugs
[01:54] <carlos> shawarma: https://launchpad.net/~shawarma/+participation
[01:54] <carlos> Via MOTU, Ubuntu Development Team, Ubuntu QA Team.
[01:54] <kiko-zzz> carlos, but ubuntu-bugs has a mailing list contact address.
[01:54] <shawarma> carlos: Yes, but ubuntu-bugs is bug contact for all bugs, right? 
[01:54] <kiko-zzz> so that's not the reason.
[01:54] <carlos> kiko-zzz: oh, ok
[01:55] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, I know what happened. 
[01:55] <shawarma> \o/
[01:55] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, this is not regular bugmail -- it's a pseudo-new bug notification.
[01:55] <shawarma> Um... ok?
[01:55] <kiko-zzz> I thought we added rationales in that case, but obviously not
[01:56] <Fujitsu> Pseudo-new? As in, a new task?
[01:56] <shawarma> kiko-zzz: So it was because of the samba task?
[01:57] <kiko-zzz> yes.
[01:57] <kiko-zzz> ah I know why
[01:57] <kiko-zzz> it's not trivial to construct the rationales in this case
[01:59] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, it's possible to do but non-trivial. you can file a bug and let me know about it if you like
[02:00] <shawarma> I'm not sure what to put in it? "In some cases (which I don't know how to define) there's no rationale in the bug mails"?
[02:00] <shawarma> Would that actually be helpful at all? :)
[02:01] <kiko-zzz> shawarma, "Bug subscription notification does not include a rationale"
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121545 in malone "Bug subscription notification does not include a rationale" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121545
[02:11] <kiko-zzz> thanks shawarma 
[02:11] <shawarma> np
[02:18] <MagicFab_> mrevell, are this mornings announcements public ?
[02:22] <kiko-zzz> MagicFab_, they went to the fridge didn't they?
[02:23] <MagicFab_> kiko-zzz, not seing them there yet
[02:24] <MagicFab_> kiko-zzz, tx - will wait for confirmation :) I was waiting for some of the features, particularly answers / language - specific
[02:24] <kiko-zzz> and launchpad-users
[02:24] <kiko-zzz> and UWN
[02:25] <mrevell> MagicFab_: Hi, been at luch, sorry. Yes, the announcements are public. The Fridge announcement should be up soon, subject to the editorial review process.
[02:26] <MagicFab_> kiko-zzz, I see lp-users archive has the previous release notes email, not the current one 
[02:26] <MagicFab_> mrevell, tx.
[02:26] <kiko-zzz> MagicFab_, 1.1.6? it went out earlier today
[02:27] <MagicFab_> oups - wait, was looking at the wrong place :) -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-June/001611.html
[02:27] <MagicFab_> tx.!
[02:28] <kiko-zzz> yawn
[02:28] <kiko-zzz> catch you all later!
[02:36] <seb128> hey guys
[02:36] <kiko-zzz> hey ho
[02:36] <seb128> is the new "Incomplete" supposed to be used instead of Needs Info?
[02:37] <Fujitsu> It has just been renamed, so yes.
[02:37] <kiko-zzz> yes.
[02:37] <seb128> hum
[02:37] <seb128> I expect that will make quite some people not happy
[02:37] <kiko-zzz> it's actually an allusion to a bad religion song
[02:37] <seb128> but let's try
[02:37] <kiko-zzz> seb128, any and all status name changes will make some people unhappy.
[02:37] <seb128> it's also a bug rejection status on bugzilla
[02:37] <kiko-zzz> that's why I tried so hard to not let them happen!
[02:37] <kiko-zzz> on gnome bugzilla only
[02:38] <seb128> yeah, those are the people I deal with though
[02:38] <kiko-zzz> note also that our New is Bugzilla's CONFIRMED 
[02:38] <kiko-zzz> errr
[02:38] <Fujitsu> There was also the possibility of wider community discussion, and some warning.
[02:38] <kiko-zzz> note also that our New is Bugzilla's UNCONFIRMED
[02:38] <kiko-zzz> Fujitsu, there was discussion at 3 UDSs
[02:38] <seb128> and I would not be surprised if some go "why the heck are you closing my bug because I didn't specifiy the version I'm using"
[02:38] <kiko-zzz> not that I'm arguing it couldn't have been better
[02:38] <kiko-zzz> but there was discussion
[02:39] <seb128> k
[02:40] <seb128> I think I'll just not use it then ;)
[02:40] <seb128> there is enough other status
[02:40] <kiko-zzz> seb128, we do plan to automatically expire Incomplete bugs
[02:40] <seb128> it really strongly feels like rejecting the bug in my workflow
[02:41] <kiko-zzz> seb128, don't get attached to the word
[02:41] <seb128> and I expect other GNOME guys will feel the same
[02:41] <kiko-zzz> because the word is really not that important
[02:41] <seb128> well, communication with your userbase is important
[02:41] <kiko-zzz> and it's hard to please everybody.
[02:41] <kiko-zzz> better that you say "okay, we'll make it work"
[02:41] <kiko-zzz> than to say "this is the @@#!@ stupidest change I have ever seen IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!"
[02:42] <seb128> I didn't come to complain and I didn't say anything bad about the change
[02:43] <seb128> it's just unfortunate it uses the same terminology than the GNOME bugzilla to mean something else
[02:43] <kiko-zzz> it's unfortunate, yes. note the New versus UNCONFIRMED issue above. but there are many other differences from bugzilla, and I think it will work out in the end -- nothing irreconcilable
[02:43] <Fujitsu> Incomplete doesn't sound like it should be a closed state.
[02:44] <kiko-zzz> not to me either, Fujitsu 
[02:44] <seb128> new against unconfirmed will not bother people
[02:44] <seb128> giving their the impression we reject the bug when we ask a question might do
[02:44] <seb128> s/their/them
[02:44] <seb128> anyway let's try
[02:45] <seb128> if users start complaining "why the heck do you close the bug" I'll send them to you ;)
[02:46] <seb128> just curious, what was wrong about "Needs Info"?
[02:46] <kiko-zzz> ask the people arguing for it at UDS
[02:46] <kiko-zzz> I was against the rename
[02:46] <kiko-zzz> but now that it's done I think it's genial <wink>
[02:46] <seb128> right ;)
[02:47] <kiko-zzz> anyway I have a plane to catch
[02:47] <kiko-zzz> I miss you all
[02:47] <kiko-zzz> but will see you shortly
[02:48] <seb128> kiko-zzz: see you
[02:49] <seb128> kiko-zzz: looks like the "gaim bugs are autoreassigned to pidgin when changing the status" bug is fixed btw, thank for that ;)
[02:49] <kiko-zzz> seb128, yeah, that was all allenap's hard work
[02:49] <kiko-zzz> I can't take the blame for that at least!!
[02:49] <Fujitsu> The bug where it assumes it to be a binary?
[02:49] <kiko-zzz> yeah
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Good to hear.
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #121550 in launchpad "Bug search URLs don't accept empty field.status_upstream parameters anymore" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121550
[02:50] <kiko-zzz> gar
[02:52] <Hobbsee> shawarma: sorry.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> shawarma: it was a test bug, and i forgot about the email subscription for the teams.
[02:52] <kiko-zzz> Hobbsee, file test bugs on staging.launchpad.net please kthxbye
[02:54] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: no need to tell me i suck, thxbye.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> i know this.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: but point
[02:58] <Hobbsee> anyone want to have a go at me for anything else, while i'm at it?
[03:04] <MagicFab_> http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/archives/2007/06/21/new-launchpad-release-out-news-blog-online/
[03:04] <MagicFab_> gotta run!
[03:07] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I'll live :) 
[03:08] <Hobbsee> shawarma: oh good.  but will i?
[03:08] <shawarma> Hobbsee: You're the one with the scary stick..
[03:08] <Hobbsee> which is probably why no one's come and hounded me about that bug, prior to you.
[03:10] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I think you're right :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> yay...
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #121555 in rosetta "slovenian translations getting broken by the translation system" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121555
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121558 in rosetta "TraversalError in translation page" [Critical,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121558
[03:59] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting.  For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development.
[03:59] <SteveA> Who is here today?
[03:59] <barry> me
[03:59] <mwhudson> me
[03:59] <sinzu1> me
[03:59] <Rinchen> me
[03:59] <salgado> me
[03:59] <bigjools> me
[03:59] <jamesh> me
[04:00] <carlos> me
[04:00] <stub> me
[04:00] <intellectronica> me
[04:00] <jtv> me
[04:00] <danilos> me
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:00] <statik> me
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <adeuring> mr
[04:00] <adeuring> me
[04:00] <cprov> me
[04:00] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <SteveA> == Apologies ==
[04:01] <SteveA>  * BjornT - vacation
[04:01] <SteveA>  * mpt - sleep (no blockers)
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Kiko - on a plane to london
[04:01] <SteveA>  * ddaa - vacation
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #121563 in launchpad "Launchpad 'build revision' footer is confusing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121563
[04:01] <allenap> me
[04:02] <SteveA> mwhudson: are you representing the whole launchpad-bzr team ?
[04:02] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:02] <mwhudson> i guess i am, though i haven't been given nor sought out anything to say by the others
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:03] <mwhudson> (something to go on the bzrlp team meeting agenda)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:03] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Launchpad News blog (mrevell)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Review MiniSpec concept (Joey)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Every team should go through their 1.1.6 milestone, verify that the bug is fixed in production, and mark the bug released by 1200 UTC Friday (kiko)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Blockers
[04:03] <SteveA> 
[04:03] <SteveA> mwhudson: yes.  If this split meeting thing isn't working
[04:03] <SteveA> mwhudson: then I'll ask the lp bzr team to attend the main team meeting
[04:03] <SteveA> Next meeting: same time next week.  Many Launchpad personnel will be in London then.
[04:04] <SteveA>  Actions from the last meeting
[04:04] <SteveA>  * stub to poke upstream developers about GIN limitations
[04:04] <stub> Poked, no response yet. May need to poke directly rather than via the mailing list.
[04:04] <SteveA> ok
[04:05] <SteveA> stub: does this need to remain on the agenda or not?
[04:05] <stub> whatever :)
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121567 in malone "AttributeError using old bookmarks in person bugs page" [Critical,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121567
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #121569 in launchpad-cscvs "svn import sometimes thinks that changes on trunk aren't on its branch" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121569
[04:05] <stub> Might as well drop it. There is a bug report we can track stuff if people are interested in the issue.
[04:05] <SteveA> I'll take that as a "not"
[04:05] <SteveA> ok
[04:05] <SteveA> what's the bug report?
[04:06] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:06] <matsubara> SteveA: bug 119780
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119780 in launchpad "GIN indexes cause some slow queries to fail entirely" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119780 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)
[04:06] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 121558, 121550, 121567
[04:06] <SteveA> thanks matsubara 
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121558 in rosetta "TraversalError in translation page" [Critical,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121558
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121550 in launchpad "Bug search URLs don't accept empty field.status_upstream parameters anymore" [Critical,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121550
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121567 in malone "AttributeError using old bookmarks in person bugs page" [Critical,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121567
[04:06] <stub> ta
[04:07] <matsubara> carlos: can you take that one (or anyone from the translation team)?
[04:07] <carlos> matsubara: is it due any recent change in production?
[04:07] <carlos> danilos: ?
[04:07] <carlos> danilos: is it related to any of your changes?
[04:07] <danilos> matsubara: it looks like a duplicate of one older bug
[04:07] <carlos> matsubara: sure, we will see who can handle it
[04:07] <matsubara> carlos: seems to be introduced by the rollout
[04:08] <danilos> carlos: isn't this the problem with missing reviewer data? but yes, I'll handle it, assigning to me
[04:08] <matsubara> allenap: you're already taking care of #121567, right? :)
[04:08] <matsubara> thanks danilos 
[04:08] <carlos> danilos: maybe
[04:08] <allenap> matsubara: Yep, I've just added a comment.
[04:09] <matsubara> adeuring: and you're handling 121550, right?
[04:09] <adeuring> yes
[04:09] <matsubara> ok, thanks.
[04:10] <matsubara> please get those fix cherrypicked asap. kiko pre approved them.
[04:10] <SteveA> matsubara: I'd like to mention the shipit bug that affected the order administration pages
[04:10] <matsubara> jtv: the translation page still timing out a lot in production. is there anything else missing from 30602?
[04:11] <SteveA> matsubara: I mailed the list + salgado about it this morning
[04:11] <matsubara> SteveA: salgado is on it already, AFAIK
[04:11] <jtv> matsubara: not a lot.  I think it'll take a schema change to solve this
[04:11] <SteveA> ok.  we need to get that fix, or the workaround, cherrypicked before the next actual real cherrypick
[04:11] <SteveA> otherwise my cowboyed workaround will be removed
[04:11] <salgado> SteveA, I'm on it right now
[04:11] <matsubara> thanks salgado 
[04:12] <SteveA> maybe note on the LaunchpadProductionStatus page that we should block cherrypicks
[04:12] <matsubara> jtv: should I re-open the 30602?
[04:12] <SteveA> until there's one that deals with the shipit issue
[04:12] <SteveA> mthaddon: what do you think?
[04:12] <mthaddon> SteveA: that sounds good
[04:12] <jtv> matsubara: I'll take care of it
[04:12] <SteveA> ok
[04:12] <matsubara> SteveA: roger that. I'll add a note to it.
[04:13] <matsubara> thanks jtv 
[04:13] <matsubara> I'm done here SteveA 
[04:13] <SteveA> thanks matsubara 
[04:13] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:13] <Rinchen> Thanks mthaddon for applying the cron items for bug 62612
[04:13] <ubotu> Bug 62612 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/62612 is private
[04:13] <mthaddon> sure
[04:13] <Rinchen>  Only 1 quick item for today. Bug 121363 - BjornT, who is best to take this one?
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121363 in malone "Order 'most recently closed' on 'Bugtask.id DESC' instead of 'BugTask.id'" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121363
[04:13] <mthaddon> we're at about 80% disk usage on drescher now
[04:13] <mthaddon> 106GB free
[04:13] <salgado> Rinchen, BjornT is on holidays
[04:14] <Rinchen> right. 
[04:14] <Rinchen> Ok, I'll deal with this on Monday when I see both Bjorn and Kiko
[04:14] <Rinchen> SteveA, done.
[04:14] <SteveA> you'll be able to see elmo there as well
[04:14] <SteveA> so a great time for an in-person meeting
[04:14] <Rinchen> yes indeed
[04:15] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:15] <SteveA> no new tags proposed
[04:15] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:15] <mthaddon> Main thing is the rollout
[04:16] <mthaddon> Mostly went to plan... which is good
[04:16] <mthaddon> Other than that, polishing the script monitoring, trying to move things along with the log analysis and a few other minor things
[04:17] <mthaddon> one thing I wanted to ask was that nightly.sh got interrupted last night during the update - is this a problem, or do we just let it run tomorrow?
[04:17] <SteveA> we shouldn't skip a nightly cron run because of a rollout
[04:17] <SteveA> or if we do need to, it should be announced in advance
[04:17] <SteveA> not accidental
[04:17] <mthaddon> so what should we do now?
[04:18] <stub> I'm not aware of anything that *has* to run nightly, so leaving it to tomorrow is fine imo
[04:18] <SteveA> leave it until tomorrow, but ensure people know that it's been skipped
[04:18] <stub> Probably the mirror prober is the most visible thing
[04:18] <mthaddon> I sent an email to the list to that effect
[04:18] <SteveA> ok, and everyone is here too
[04:18] <mthaddon> ok, that's all from operations
[04:18] <SteveA> so that's fine
[04:18] <SteveA> thanks
[04:18] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:18] <stub> Everything is groovy. Nothing to report.
[04:18] <SteveA> thanks
[04:18] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:19] <SteveA> nothing to report, says Rinchen 
[04:19] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:19] <mrevell> The bug status changes have caused some discussion in the Ubuntu community. 
[04:19] <mrevell> Henrik Omma (heno) reports that there has been some resistance to the changes, as people felt that restricting the "triaged" status to bug contacts/project owners could cause a bottle-neck.
[04:19] <SteveA> mrevell: any discussion in the upstream community?
[04:19] <mrevell> SteveA: Christin Theune from Zope says he likes the new statuses and thinks they make sense.
[04:19] <mrevell> It appears that heno and allenap have been able to reassure those who raised objections.
[04:19] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/BugStatuses explains what the renamed bug statuses are for, it introduces the two new statuses and their permissions restriction and it explains how we translate Bugzilla statuses to Launchpad statuses in external bug watches.
[04:20] <mrevell> This last point needs further work as it does not cover the custom statuses used by Gnome, OOo, Mozilla and so on. 
[04:20] <mrevell> This will follow but is complicated because we don't have a record of which custom statuses are from which project's Bugzilla.
[04:20] <mrevell> Thanks SteveA.
[04:20] <mrevell> No further feedback from upstreams yet.
[04:20] <SteveA> maybe this is a document we can keep along with bugwatch bug tracker registrations in launchpad
[04:20] <SteveA> I mean, we record the existence and URL for external bugtrackers
[04:21] <SteveA> so why not record a status mapping too, that we can explain to people
[04:21] <SteveA> BjornT, allenap: something for you to consider
[04:21] <mrevell> SteveA: Automatically generated?
[04:21] <mrevell> That would be good.
[04:21] <SteveA>  * Launchpad News blog (mrevell)
[04:21] <mrevell> The Launchpad News blog is ready at last!
[04:22] <mrevell> You can find it at http://news.launchpad.net/
[04:22] <mrevell> The blog will feature news from the team - for example: release details - as well as information on who is using Launchpad and tips on making the most of it.
[04:22] <mrevell> This is our opportunity to show what we're really proud of in Launchpad, to show people how to make better use of it and to explain our motivations. So, when we release a new feature, I'd love to have a blog post from the developers involved. I'll pester each of you for posts over the next few weeks!
[04:22] <mrevell> Thanks, back to you SteveA
[04:22] <SteveA> mrevell: I have some boring administrative questions about it
[04:22] <SteveA> who can add or edit articles?
[04:23] <SteveA> where do stories appear?  planet ubuntu?  anywhere else?
[04:23] <Rinchen> Can we get it linked from http://launchpad.net ?
[04:23] <mrevell> We - i.e. me and Chris Jones in sysadmin - have had some difficult with the admin interface in adding new users. However, the intention is that I, Elliot, you, kiko and rinchen have accounts. We can discuss whoever else might need an account
[04:24] <mrevell> Posts appear on Planet Ubuntu at present, nowhere else yet. I shall look into appropriate places and welcome suggestions.
[04:24] <mrevell> Rinchen: I'm going to file a bug, and again welcome suggestions.
[04:24] <SteveA> mrevell: so long as the team knows who to go to about it, that's fine
[04:24] <SteveA> mrevell: we should have a wiki page explaining what it is, and who can access it
[04:24] <mrevell> SteveA: Right, yes, so I'll be the first point of contact.
[04:24] <mrevell> SteveA: I'll create that.
[04:24] <SteveA> thanks
[04:24] <statik> mrevell: just thinking out loud, I wonder if planets of projects using launchpad might want to syndicate this blog
[04:25] <SteveA> +1 to Rinchen's proposal to mention it on the launchpad front page
[04:25] <SteveA> as a news item
[04:25] <SteveA> maybe we can have its RSS link somewhere too
[04:25] <mrevell> statik: Possibly, good idea, let's talk about it.
[04:25] <SteveA> time to move on
[04:25] <mrevell> SteveA: Yes, that would be good. I'll file a bug after the meeting.
[04:25] <SteveA> thanks mrevell 
[04:25] <SteveA>  * How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry)
[04:25] <stub> Shouldn't we just replace 'whats new' on the front page with the rdf feed from the blog?
[04:25] <barry> Pre-implementation phone calls are going well.  Generally positive feedback.  We are no longer asking this question at the non-AU reviewers meeting.  Mission accomplished.  Ok, done.
[04:26] <SteveA> thanks barry 
[04:26] <SteveA>  * Review MiniSpec concept (Joey)
[04:26] <SteveA> actually, that was my item
[04:26] <Rinchen> I wanted to bring up the MiniSpec concept again for this meeting to ensure that everyone knows of it's existence. :-) 
[04:26] <SteveA> I just pimped it onto joey :-)
[04:27] <Rinchen> Steve and I have noticed over the last week that some folks were not aware of it's existence.
[04:27] <SteveA> quick poll: please say "I know about mini specs" if that's true, or "wow, tell me more!" if you don't know about them enough to write your own.
[04:27] <SteveA> I know about mini specs
[04:27] <mrevell> I know about mini specs
[04:27] <danilos> I know about mini specs
[04:27] <carlos> Rinchen: could you refresh our mind with a link to its template?
[04:27] <Rinchen> I know about mini specs.
[04:27] <stub> It sounds like what I use Malone for, but without the tracking and other features the bug tracker gives us.
[04:27] <jamesh> I know about mini specs
[04:27] <jtv> I know about mini specs
[04:27] <cprov> I know about mini specs.
[04:27] <mwhudson> i know about mini specs
[04:27] <barry> i know about mini specs
[04:27] <salgado> I know about mini specs
[04:27] <carlos> I know about mini specs (but not enough)
[04:27] <statik> I know about mini specs
[04:27] <flacoste> wow, tell me more!
[04:27] <Rinchen> https://launchpad.canonical.com/MiniSpecTemplate
[04:27] <stub> wow, tell me more!
[04:27] <matsubara> wow, tell me more!
[04:27] <sinzui> Wow, tell me more!
[04:27] <carlos> Rinchen: thanks
[04:28] <mthaddon> I know about mini specs
[04:28] <jsk> I know about mini specs
[04:28] <allenap> I know about mini specs
[04:28] <bac> i  know about mini specs
[04:28] <SteveA> mwhudson: please ensure the lpbzr team know about this
[04:28] <mwhudson> SteveA: ok
[04:28] <SteveA> thanks everyone
[04:28] <barry> i am using them for mailing list project.  they're a great way to split big specs into plannable pieces.  only problem is setting up all the cross-links to blueprints (it's a bit of a pita, but manageable)
[04:29] <SteveA> jsk, intellectronica; we should look to being able to write mini specs directly in the spec tracker
[04:29] <SteveA> with privacy if needed
[04:29] <mrevell> mini specs in the tracker would rock
[04:29] <SteveA> I'd like us to consider the idea of having a spec template
[04:29] <intellectronica> SteveA: that would be awesome
[04:29] <SteveA> like, there are particular sections in a mini spec -- a template
[04:30] <intellectronica> do we have a blueprint for that already?
[04:30] <SteveA> and it's been designed in a particular way to keep it brief, but ot the point
[04:30] <jsk> SteveA, intellectronica: we can raise a blueprint
[04:30] <SteveA> ok, that's all.  if you're in the "wow, tell me more!" camp, please talk with barry and / or Rinchen about mini specs.
[04:30] <SteveA> moving on
[04:30] <SteveA>  * Every team should go through their 1.1.6 milestone, verify that the bug is fixed in production, and mark the bug released by 1200 UTC Friday (kiko)
[04:30] <SteveA> This is a particular request from kiko in his role as Launchpad release manager
[04:31] <SteveA> mwhudson: something else in particular to ensure the whole lpbzr team knows about
[04:31] <SteveA> note that this is about 17 hours away
[04:31] <mwhudson> SteveA: i think tim at least must know about this one, he updated a bunch of bugs this morning (my time)
[04:31] <SteveA> it's important so that we can effectively plan our next cycle
[04:31] <mwhudson> SteveA: but, sure
[04:31] <SteveA> Rinchen: please mail the list about this too
[04:32] <SteveA> any questions on this item?
[04:32] <Rinchen> right o
[04:33] <SteveA> ok
[04:33] <SteveA> next section: blockers, reported by team
[04:33] <SteveA> like three team sentences, but only the "BLOCKED" portion.
[04:34] <SteveA> a one line report would look like: Management Team: not blocked.
[04:34] <mwhudson> launchpad-bazaar team: not blocked
[04:34] <salgado> FOAF: not blocked
[04:34] <matsubara> TEAM: Infrastructure: not blocked
[04:34] <jsk> blueprints: not blocked
[04:34] <barry> team mailing lists team: not blocked
[04:34] <allenap> bug-tracker team: not blocked.
[04:34] <flacoste> Answer Tracker: not blocked
[04:34] <cprov> Soyuz: not blocked 
[04:35] <jtv> Translations: not blocked
[04:35] <statik> commercial: not blocked
[04:35] <SteveA> ok, I think that's all
[04:35] <SteveA> We have a few more minutes
[04:35] <SteveA> so, I'll call for other items
[04:35] <SteveA> with a countdown
[04:36] <SteveA> Any other items, observations or issues?
[04:36] <SteveA> 10
[04:36] <Rinchen> Congratulations on 1.1.6!
[04:36] <SteveA> 9
[04:36] <mwhudson> the importd systems didn't get rolled out yesterday
[04:36] <SteveA> 8
[04:36] <SteveA> 7
[04:36] <SteveA> 6
[04:36] <SteveA> 5
[04:36] <SteveA> 4
[04:36] <SteveA> 3
[04:36] <SteveA> 2
[04:36] <mwhudson> i thought we decided that they would be rolled out with everything else, so i'm a little puzzled
[04:37] <mthaddon> mwhudson: that was an oversight on my part - will be looking at this later with you
[04:37] <SteveA> is that going to cause a problem?
[04:37] <SteveA> ok
[04:37] <mwhudson> no, there's one change i'm waiting on but it's low priority
[04:37] <SteveA> 1
[04:37] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:37] <SteveA> thank you everyone
[04:39] <intellectronica> SteveA: bigjools next to me is having wifi issues. he participated behind my back, knows about mini specs, etc'...
[04:39] <SteveA> thanks intellectronica 
[04:39] <SteveA> btw, has everyone met intellectronica yet?
[04:39] <SteveA> welcome to the Launchpad team. 
[04:40] <SteveA> intellectronica is tom, who is working on the blueprints tracker with jsk 
[04:41] <jamesh> intellectronica: welcome to the team
[04:41] <statik> intellectronica: welcome! our nicks seem to go together ;)
[04:42] <intellectronica> statik: lol
[04:47] <mwhudson> hi intellectronica!
[04:50] <stub> Rinchen, SteveA: Infrastructure call today?
[04:53] <Rinchen> stub, SteveA, jamesh - might be helpful to talk about 1.1.7 objectives.
[04:54] <Rinchen> being the taskmaster I am
[05:00] <stub> Someone with a modern Skype client want to start the conf call? I seem to be limited to 5 participants.
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #121579 in rosetta "English is displaying in the bar graphs of sourcepackages in series" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121579
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #121582 in rosetta "Duplicate msgsets in +translate" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121582
[05:12] <carlos> stub: let me start it
[05:12] <carlos> although I don't have my headset here
[05:12] <carlos> so maybe you will get some echo
[05:24] <siretart> is there a list for foreign bugtrackers malone is able to link to?
[05:25] <carlos> siretart: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers
[05:25] <carlos> it's linked from https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[05:36] <siretart> thanks
[05:52] <cr3> can someone clarify the url scheme used on launchpad, specifically what is the deciding factor for using '+' in the path?
[05:54] <flacoste> cr3: to avoid namespace conflits
[05:54] <mwhudson> approximately speaking, names without +'s name objects and names with +'s name views on objects
[05:55] <cr3> flacoste: so when you have foo/<id> and foo/bar, you'd use foo/+bar in order to distinguish the two assuming <id> cannot start with '+'?
[05:56] <cr3> mwhudson: doesn't ~ also name view on objects?
[05:56] <flacoste> cr3: we use +name for system names
[05:56] <flacoste> cr3: you are talking about the standard zope3 @@ view namespace prefix
[05:57] <cr3> flacoste: it seemed like +name was for action names, like projects/+new
[05:57] <cr3> is "new" a system name?
[05:58] <flacoste> cr3: yes, to distinguish from a projet named "new" for example
[06:00] <cr3> flacoste: what if I created a project named "people", wouldn't that conflict with launchpad.net/<project_name>
[06:00] <cr3> to be consistent, wouldn't that mean that "people" should be prefixed with "+"
[06:01] <flacoste> cr3: we have a top-level name blacklist
[06:01] <flacoste> cr3: and yes, it could be argued that +people would have been the way to go
[06:01] <cr3> heh, I can't wait till a new top-level item is added which conflicts with an existing product name :)
[06:02] <cr3> "sorry, we can't implement launchpad.net/orphanage because a product by that name already exists"... so, no orphanage for the children :(
[06:03] <cr3> ok, I'm being pedantic, but I can appreciate that keeping things simple is also a concern and /people certainly looks better than /+people
[06:47] <jbailey> Is there an "I know I'm a member of this team, but I really don't give a crap about the bugs, please don't email me" option?
[06:48] <pochu> I don't think so.
[06:49] <pochu> You can leave the team though :p
[06:50] <jbailey> Sadly I can't, as some team memberships for me are a work obligation (obDisclosure: I work for Canonical)
[06:52] <pochu> Maybe ask the team owner to set up a ML, and don't join it ;)
[06:52] <matsubara-lunch> jbailey: currently we don't offer an option to fine grain email notification. You could filter bugmail using the rationale headers: https://help.launchpad.net/LaunchpadMessageRationale
[06:53] <jbailey> matsubara-lunch: Thanks for that.  I'll see if I Can beat gmail into filtering on arbitrary headers.
[07:03] <clahey> Hey everybody!
[07:04] <clahey> We use launchpad for translations and we're getting some weird results because of variable names embedded in the strings getting translated and stuff like that.
[07:05] <clahey> Is there some way we can leave notes for people about what translations need to not happen?
[07:08] <jtv> clahey: you mean variable names in substitutions?
[07:08] <jtv> I think that's a matter of communication among translators.
[07:15] <clahey> jtv: I mean variable names that are embedded in code.
[07:15] <clahey> Like "Appending to $log"
[07:15] <clahey> If they translate $log to $Journal or something, than it will cause an error because that variable doesn't exist.
[07:16] <jtv> Right.  Translators must have some idea of when not to touch something.
[07:16] <jtv> And programmers must be clear too, of course.
[07:16] <clahey> As programmers, how do we make it more clear?
[07:16] <clahey> We're getting translations like that out of the system?
[07:16] <clahey> That last one's not a question.
[07:17] <jtv> You shouldn't really get an error from this, just misleading output
[07:19] <jtv> If a string in a program is significant to the program, it can't be translatedso it shouldn't be marked as translatable.
[07:20] <jtv> But I'm afraid a bit of knowledge about "don't touch words that begin with a single dollar sign" is necessary for translators as well.
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121602 in malone "Bugs with several (distro-) tasks are hard to find once the "main" bug is closed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121602
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #121606 in soyuz "changelog-closes-bugs does not work any more since today's rollout" [Critical,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121606
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #121608 in blueprint "DB constraint triggered adding a new blueprint with status obsolete" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121608
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