[01:32] <budluva> anyone here have compiz fusion installed with gutsy?
[01:32] <budluva> and has anyone compiled packages for gutsy?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> budluva: you want #ubuntu-effects
[01:32] <budluva> gnomefreak thanks
[01:33] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:44] <DanaG> /usr/lib/games/quake2/quake2.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/games/quake2/ref_soft.so: undefined symbol: mouse_seteventhandler
[02:52] <jkimball4> Is anyone else experience poor graphics performance on Intel graphics with all updates installed?
[02:53] <jkimball4> also is it known that network-manager-openvpn doesn't list any ciphers atm?
[04:08] <lamalex> has anyone found a fix for gnash crashing X?
[04:09] <lamalex> s/reprot/report
[04:10] <lamalex> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474596&page=2 is at least a forum post
[04:10] <lamalex> I thought he had filed a bug report
[04:14] <RAOF> It's probably an OpenGL error.  That's been my number 1 cause of stupid crashes :)
[04:14] <lamalex> it only occurs with gnash installed viewing flash
[04:15] <lamalex> so maybe not a bug in gnash
[04:15] <lamalex> but a conflict between gnash and opengl
[04:15] <lamalex> doesn't gnash use opengl?
[04:17] <RAOF> Yes, gnash uses OpenGL.
[04:17] <RAOF> Not a conflict, but perhaps either a bug in the way gnash uses OpenGL, or that gnash exposes a bug in your opengl drivers :)
[04:17] <MugginsM> graphics drivers buggy!? say it ain't so!
[04:18] <lamalex> :) possible
[04:18] <RAOF> Shocking, but occasionally one does find a bug :)
[04:59] <alex_mayorga> any ideas on Bug #121111
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121111 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy Tribe 1 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121111
[05:11] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, do you get any errors?
[05:11] <johnnybuoy> tried turning splash off and checking the output?
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, oh, checking on launchpad, nvm
[05:13] <alex_mayorga> np
[05:14] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, do you have a dual-core machine?
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> this 1501 is dual-core?
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, can you try editing the kernel boot params to add "clocksource=acpi_pm" ?
[05:17] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, ?
[05:22] <johnnybuoy> ?-:
[05:23] <alex_mayorga> sorry, I'm back
[05:23] <alex_mayorga> yup, the laptop is dual core, AMD
[05:23] <johnnybuoy> ah...well, it might help
[05:24] <johnnybuoy> 2.6.22 kernel sometimes needs this option on dualcore
[05:24] <johnnybuoy> eg. fedora7
[05:24] <alex_mayorga> by editing boot parameters you mean press F6 and add it to the nosplash and stuff already there?
[05:24] <johnnybuoy> so it's worth a try
[05:24] <johnnybuoy> yes
[05:24] <alex_mayorga> got it, I'll reboot and try
[05:24] <johnnybuoy> (I could try, but I don't have a tribe1 iso at hand...
[05:24] <johnnybuoy> cool
[05:24] <alex_mayorga> thanks
[05:24] <johnnybuoy> good luck
[05:25] <johnnybuoy> check back a say if it worked
[05:25] <johnnybuoy> :)
[05:25] <alex_mayorga> will do
[05:38] <alex_mayorga> johnnybuoy, no joy :(
[05:38] <johnnybuoy> :(
[05:39] <johnnybuoy> well, that sucks
[05:39] <alex_mayorga> maybe I tried to much options, added the following: noapic nolapic acpi=off pnpbios=off clocksource=acpi_pm
[05:40] <alex_mayorga> funny enough the same CD works just great on an Inspiron 6400 (Intel based)
[05:40] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, heh
[05:41] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, how do you think clocksource=acpi_pm would work with acpi=off ???
[05:41] <alex_mayorga> out of n00bnes I guess :(
[05:41] <johnnybuoy> the other inspiron is dual-core too?
[05:42] <alex_mayorga> no it's not
[05:42] <alex_mayorga> so what should be my set of options for my next reboot :)
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> just add clocksource=acpi_pm
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> nothing else
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, ^
[06:03] <johnnybuoy> :)
[06:03] <johnnybuoy> good luck!
[06:13] <alex_mayorga> johnnybuoy, just chimming in to repor my lack of success
[06:14] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, well, sorry then...
[06:14] <johnnybuoy> it was worth a try tho...
[06:14] <alex_mayorga> when I tried your suggestion I just got to the second error on the initial bugger
[06:15] <alex_mayorga> yup, feel free to update bug #121111 with any insight you might share
[06:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121111 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy Tribe 1 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121111
[06:16] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, :
[06:16] <johnnybuoy> [0.240000]  PCI: Cannot allocate region 7 of bridge 0000:00:05.0
[06:16] <johnnybuoy> [0.240000]  PCI: Cannot allocate region 8 of bridge 0000:00:05.0
[06:16] <johnnybuoy> this one?
[06:16] <alex_mayorga> affirmative
[06:17] <johnnybuoy> alex_mayorga, well, if you ever try again, this option (the clocksource one) and pci=noacpi might help...
[06:17] <johnnybuoy> dell should make non-buggy bios
[06:18] <vlowther> non-buggy bios'es?
[06:18] <vlowther> I am sorry, such things do not exist.
[06:19] <alex_mayorga> I actually tried noapic clocksource=acpi_pm also, no joy
[06:19] <johnnybuoy> vlowther, heh
[06:19] <johnnybuoy> vlowther, just as non-buggy software doesn't
[06:19] <alex_mayorga> I've logged the tries on the bugger anyhow, FWIW
[06:19] <johnnybuoy> kool
[06:19] <alex_mayorga> do you think I shall bugg Dell as well?
[06:20] <johnnybuoy> well, is this a laptop that is sold with linux?
[06:20] <vlowther> alex_mayorga: what system?
[06:20] <johnnybuoy> then yes, as they might want to support gutsy too
[06:20] <alex_mayorga> vlowther: Inspiron 1501
[06:21] <vlowther> hm - it could be worth a shot.
[06:21] <alex_mayorga> not sure if it's an Ubuntu laptop, no such thing exist in MX as we speak
[06:21] <johnnybuoy> MX?
[06:21] <johnnybuoy> acpi is broken in design
[06:21] <alex_mayorga> I'll take a look and see if there newer bios available
[06:21] <johnnybuoy> apple's pmu is soo much cooler
[06:22] <alex_mayorga> MX=Mexico=home
[06:22] <vlowther> alex_mayorga: you might also want to ping http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-desktops
[06:22] <johnnybuoy> ah..
[06:22] <alex_mayorga> vlowther, thanks
[06:23] <alex_mayorga> once that get's nailed there's Bug #92088 next, love all the fun :)
[06:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[06:23] <vlowther> gah, broadcom wireless
[06:24] <alex_mayorga> I've got all the ugly components it seems
[06:25] <alex_mayorga> what should I be looking for an as easy Ubuntu as it gets when I shop for my next system?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorga: intel stuff
[06:25] <vlowther> Intel 3945, intel graphics
[06:26] <Hobbsee> alex_mayorga: or something supported by atheros (see website for a list of cards)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> NOT ATI.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:26] <vlowther> nvidia is OK, but avoid ATI like the plauge on a laptop
[06:26] <alex_mayorga> so a centrino 2 is it?
[06:26] <vlowther> centrino 2 will probably work fine.
[06:26] <alex_mayorga> point taken
[06:26] <vlowther> as long as the gpu is not ATI
[06:27] <alex_mayorga> I'd like to put my bucks behind FOSS friendly companies
[06:28] <vlowther> anyone else bitten by Bug #121228?
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121228 in network-manager "Segfault retrieving passphrase for WiFi network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121228
[06:30] <alex_mayorga> bye for now, bed time :)
[06:32] <DanaG> But... they force you to buy Vista.
[06:32] <DanaG> Their business machines offer FreeDOS, but most have ATI.  :(
[06:33] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, sue them to oblivion for that :D
[06:33] <alex_mayorga> whatever happened to customer choice
[06:35] <johnnybuoy> hah
[06:35] <johnnybuoy> what is freedos good for anyways?
[06:35] <DanaG> Oh, another thing that's funny: the big deal with Expresscard vs. Cardbus.
[06:35] <DanaG>  For a while, HP had both.  Now they have only Expresscard, just like Dell does.
[06:35] <DanaG> But Gateway still has only Cardbus.  Is that a good thing?  It's up to the person who needs it.
[06:36] <johnnybuoy> I myself never needed to use any of thos :)
[07:39] <unfo> gonzoism, officially your question is offtopic here but i think nobody will mind if you ask it.
[07:39] <unfo> gonzoism, just tell them you're running on Ubuntu 7.04
[07:40] <Hobbsee> ...
[07:40] <Hobbsee> unfo: that's...definetly not on topic for here.
[07:40] <gonzoism> i notice problems in feisty i never had with dapper or edgy
[07:40] <gonzoism> load average: 8.30, 4.99, 3.87
[07:40] <Hobbsee> this is a quiet chanel - most people are off doing other things
[07:40] <gonzoism> dma is off
[07:40] <Hobbsee> and we arent running feisty here.
[07:41] <gonzoism> i get errors in dmesg about ide0 resets and stuff, and can paste if anyone likes.
[07:42] <gonzoism> i get the same errors on a new laptop and a pII box
[07:42] <unfo> gonzoism, ok maybe it is off topic here. :( i apologize.
[07:42] <gonzoism> this right now is a p4
[07:42] <gonzoism> oh. i saw him say that but mis-read it.
[08:00] <DanaG> Heh, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Leap+ahead+%28blue%29?content=59909
[08:00] <DanaG> "Leap Ahead".
[08:00] <DanaG> There's also a brown one.
[08:09] <gonzoism> thanks anyways
[08:17] <Hobbsee> DanaG: pop quiz.  should i get more ram?
[08:18] <DanaG> How much do you have?
[08:19] <DanaG> Had 256 when 512 was a good reasonable amount.
[08:20] <DanaG> Had 512 when 1 gig was a good reasonable amount.
[08:20] <DanaG> And now I have 1 gig, but don't need to move to 2 gigs even though it'd be better.
[08:21] <DanaG> I wish I could have my system reserve a particular swap partition just for s2disk -- then have no normal swap.
[08:21] <Hobbsee> DanaG: 1.5gb
[08:21] <Hobbsee> thikning about going up to 2gb
[08:21] <DanaG> If some app, like amarokcollectionscanner, crashes and starts gobbling RAM, which is a better behavior:
[08:21] <DanaG> A: Crash when RAM runs out.
[08:21] <DanaG> B: Go to swap, and bring the system to a grinding halt as the whole process moves to swap.
[08:21] <DanaG> I'd go with A.
[08:22] <DanaG> Newegg often has good deals on RAM, though sometimes of less well-known brands.
[08:23] <DanaG> For example, a 1 gig DDR2-667 SODIMM for 38 bucks or so.
[08:24] <DanaG> G'bye.
[08:24] <DanaG> er, not yet.
[08:25] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i'm australian
[08:25] <Hobbsee> and my amarok is not on crack.
[08:25] <DanaG> That bug was fixed a while ago (t'was a bad-tags issue), but other things sometimes eat RAM.
[08:26] <DanaG> Try this for fun: pass `yes` as a parameter to something, when you have a swap larger than your RAM.
[08:26] <DanaG> Warning: it brings my system grinding to a near halt.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:26] <Hobbsee> i'll be right
[08:26] <DanaG> Or use the /exec plugin in Gaim/Pidgin.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> i like a working system
[08:26] <DanaG> /exec
[08:26] <Hobbsee> then again....i did manage to shut my machine down somehow by runninga piece of c++ code i wrote
[08:27] <DanaG> oops, don't have that one installed.
[08:27] <DanaG> One thing odd in Ubuntu, or at least on my system: going off the end of an array gives me zeroes / NULL, not segfaults.
[08:27] <DanaG> I learned that when I moved my code to the solaris system the assignments were designed for.
[08:27] <DanaG> Now I just edit over gnome-vfs and compile and run using ssh on that server.
[08:28] <coNP> good morning gibbon fans
[08:28] <Hobbsee> hiya coNP
[08:28] <DanaG> Fun to try some time: sudo cat <whatever your swap partition is> > some_file
[08:28] <DanaG> and then (if you have enough RAM), view that file in any editor or pager -- the slimmer, the better.
[08:29] <DanaG> Or run strings on it, into another file, and look at that file.
[08:30] <DanaG> (11:30:19 PM) ***DanaG is in pacific timezone.
[08:30] <DanaG> Good night -- need sleep.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> night!
[11:52] <Enverex> Ok, that's a bad breakage. NetworkAssistant seems to segfault after logging in on my laptop rendering it kinda useless.
[03:37] <Enverex> Anyone alive yet?
[03:40] <DanaG> hah: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40472
[03:40] <Tm_T> Enverex: no we are all massmurdered
[03:41] <Enverex> The last dist-upgrade I did last night broke NetworkManager it seems, it just Segfaults when trying to connect to my wireless network now
[03:41] <gnomefreak> Enverex: its known
[03:41] <Enverex> but not fixed?
[03:42] <Enverex> What's the easiest way to fix it temportarily?
[03:42] <gnomefreak> DanaG: join #ubuntu-offtopic if it has nothing to do with gutsy support
[03:42] <Enverex> -t
[03:42] <gnomefreak> Enverex: no it was just found lastnight
[03:43] <Enverex> Is there any way to rollback to a previous version of NA though?
[03:43] <gnomefreak> Enverex: if apt-cache show network-manager  shows a lower version than you can sudo apt-get install network-manager=version
[03:44] <gnomefreak> 0.6.5-0ubuntu2 is the broken version isnt it?
[03:44] <Enverex> yes
[03:45] <gnomefreak> Enverex: if so than you will need to find a deb somewhere
[03:45] <DanaG> You can also dig around on mirrors.
[03:45] <DanaG> I seem to remember a mirror somewhere that had older things.... let me look.
[03:45] <Enverex> That's the only one I see. I'm surprised Ubuntu doesn't have multiple versions for issues like this. At least on Gentoo you can just tell it to install a different version :
[03:45] <Enverex> :/
[03:45] <gnomefreak> Enverex: maybe check /var/cache/apt
[03:45] <gnomefreak> for the older .deb
[03:46] <Enverex> Nope
[03:46] <DanaG> http://ftp.cica.es/mirrors/Linux/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/pool-ubuntu/
[03:46] <DanaG> They have back to 0.6.2.
[03:47] <DanaG> (main,n,network-manager)
[03:47] <Enverex> Isn't that i686 though?
[03:48] <DanaG> Oh, I'm not sure.
[03:48] <DanaG> I've only ever used 32-bit, since I don't have a 64-bit CPU.
[03:49] <Enverex> ah, its both
[04:19] <redheat> hi everyone
[04:20] <redheat> can someone help me please
[04:20] <Hobbsee> !someone
[04:20] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:20] <redheat> I'm using the new release of ubuntu..
[04:21] <Enverex> Feisty?
[04:21] <redheat> gutsy, and I'm facing
[04:21] <Enverex> Gutsy isn't released yet...
[04:21] <redheat> this problem of logging in or out of hte system
[04:21] <redheat> no, its alpha version is released
[04:22] <ToHellWithGA> released is a rather ambiguous term
[04:23] <ToHellWithGA> there has been a clumping of files to allow installation
[04:23] <Enverex> It's not released because the final version is the release hence why the versions before it are called RCs (Release Candidates)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Enverex: snapshots
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Enverex: not RC's.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Enverex: RC is later.  much later
[04:24] <Enverex> Hobbsee, Those were what I was referrring to...
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i figure
[04:24] <Hobbsee> d
[04:25] <Enverex> ... so why did you just incorrectly "correct" me?
[04:25] <Enverex> I said the versions before the final release are called RCs
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Enverex: but they're not
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Enverex: they're snapshot releases - they're not the RC.
[04:26] <aquo> hi
[04:26] <Hobbsee> ther'es only one RC for ubuntu
[04:27] <Hobbsee> and the RC is after all the snapshot (tribe) releases
[04:27] <Enverex> Hobbsee, What, the very last "pre-releases" before the actual release?
[04:27] <aquo>  I want to customize Ubuntu Feisty Fawn and generate install media with my own package set.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> aquo: #ubuntu
[04:27] <aquo> is there some document that explains the difference between ubuntu and http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Enverex: something like that, yeah.
[04:27] <Enverex> Hobbsee, I'm not talking about Gutsy NOW, I'm talking about immediately before release of the final one
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Enverex: ahhh, right.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule outlines it pretty well
[04:28] <Enverex> ugh, I'm just going to stop talking because no-one makes sense of anything I say
[04:28] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:28] <aquo> Hobbsee: Nobody is reacting on my question.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> aquo: we're not running gutsy here.
[04:28] <aquo> i am interested in topic like repository management, how packages get into the official distribution and where ubuntu differs from debian.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:29] <Hobbsee> aquo: you might be looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[04:29] <Hobbsee> er, s/gutsy/feisty/
[04:29] <aquo> hey, ok.
[04:29] <aquo> thank you
[04:37] <Agip> it's gutsy alpha?
[04:58] <kdubois_> what are the plans for beryl/comiz integration into gusty?
[04:59] <kdubois_> if any :-D
[04:59] <Toma-> compiz-fusion mebbeh
[04:59] <Toma-> *hope*
[05:47] <frandavid100> hiya guys
[05:47] <frandavid100> when I upgraded my packages a couple days ago, nm-applet was removed and I haven't been able to install it ever since. Is that normal?
[05:49] <frandavid100> alright, nevermind, I just tried and it worked
[05:49] <frandavid100> sorry to bother!
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i thought it was installable now
[07:33] <aquo> ok, u
[07:34] <aquo> i had a look at garminate, can you tell me where i can find documentation for creating an own live-install cd for ubuntu with my own package set?
[08:21] <GatoLoko> hi
[08:22] <GatoLoko> since i upgraded to gutsy apport doesn't generate backtraces, is this a new normal behabior or i have something broken?
[08:56] <Peaker> python2.5 has a build-dep on emacs21 :P
[08:57] <johnnybuoy> haha
[09:17] <shirish> hi all, I have been having this error
[09:17] <shirish> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:17] <shirish> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
[09:18] <shirish> I have documented the same here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476172
[09:18] <shirish> and some of the responses have been helpful & I am able to use the system without rebooting.
[09:19] <shirish> although i have got also some more sympton of what might have caused should I report it or not?
[09:22] <lamalex> shirish, are you doing sudo with your apt-get?
[09:23] <johnnybuoy> shirish, sudo lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[09:23] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[09:23] <Peaker> what's the difference between fuser and lsof?
[09:23] <wifimonster> whats the best way for me to install pidgin?
[09:24] <shirish> lumalex: johnnybuoy: I was doing sudo aptitude update & sudo aptitude upgrade
[09:24] <lamalex> fuser lists the processes using it, lsof just lists what files are open
[09:24] <johnnybuoy> yes
[09:24] <lamalex> right?
[09:24] <masquerade> wifimonster, sudo apt-get install pidgin
[09:24] <lamalex> don't you need to do &&
[09:24] <shirish> lamalex:  johnnybuoy: sorry, lamalex
[09:24] <johnnybuoy> but I guess there is a background  process doing an update allready
[09:25] <shirish> lamalex: johnnybuoy: anyway there was an error while decompressing one of the packages, a gzip error
[09:25] <lamalex> shirish: np :P
[09:25] <wifimonster> masquerade: from where?
[09:26] <shirish> lamalex: johnnybuoy: the .gz error was during update & then doing upgrade, it  gave me the lock error
[09:26] <johnnybuoy> the gz error means the repo is borken
[09:26] <shirish> lamalex: johnnybuoy: I didn't do the lsof instead I just made a backup of that lock file
[09:26] <shirish> johnnybuoy: lamalex: yup
[09:26] <johnnybuoy> backup of a lock file?
[09:26] <johnnybuoy> wtf???
[09:26] <lamalex> haha
[09:27] <lamalex> i wasn't going to say anything
[09:27] <shirish> somebody recommended it
[09:27] <johnnybuoy> pff
[09:27] <johnnybuoy> :D
[09:27] <johnnybuoy> well, that guy should be shot in the head
[09:27] <lamalex> shirish: that person doesn't know what they're talking about
[09:27] <wifimonster> masquerade:: I mean what repository
[09:27] <lamalex> ... I'm not that pissed about it
[09:28] <shirish> johnnybuoy: lamalex: drats, anyway that *tip* worked otherwise whenever something like this happens, I've to reboot & then only the lock is no more.
[09:29] <shirish> johnnybuoy: lamalex: this is the post which the guy had said about just renaming the file to lock.bak which worked http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2869431&postcount=15
[09:29] <magic_ninja> !quicktime
[09:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:29] <shirish> johnnybuoy: lamalex: can you guys look at the file & see if you guys can find anything
[09:29] <johnnybuoy> shirish, just lsof the file, then you get the program that is using the file
[09:30] <johnnybuoy> no, this is a lock file
[09:30] <johnnybuoy> it means that an other program is using the dpkg database
[09:30] <johnnybuoy> so it's a very bad idea to move the file away
[09:30] <wifimonster> where can I find a pidgin package
[09:30] <lamalex> pidgin is included
[09:31] <lamalex> this is the gutsy support channel or is +1 overflow
[09:31] <johnnybuoy> :)
[09:31] <lamalex> phew
[09:31] <johnnybuoy> removing a lockfile is something even a newb should know not to do
[09:31] <lamalex> not going crazy
[09:32] <shirish> johnnybuoy: well, I'm still newbie in lot of things
[09:32] <shirish> johnnybuoy: lamalex: sudo lsof lock.bak
[09:32] <shirish> [sudo]  password for shirish:
[09:32] <shirish> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE    NODE NAME
[09:32] <shirish> apt-get 5606 root    5uW  REG   8,17    0 1075198 lock.bak
[09:32] <lamalex> ahaha then gutsy probably isn't for you
[09:32] <johnnybuoy> lock.bak???
[09:32] <shirish> I renamed the file lock to lock.bak
[09:32] <lamalex> that's his backup
[09:32] <johnnybuoy> yeah, why do you use gutsy then?
[09:33] <johnnybuoy> lol
[09:33] <lamalex> shirish: is apt still locked?
[09:33] <johnnybuoy> move it back and kill that process
[09:33] <shirish> lamalex: nope
[09:33] <johnnybuoy> no, cause it checks for lock and not lock.back
[09:33] <johnnybuoy> lock.bak
[09:33] <johnnybuoy> move the lockfile back and kill that process
[09:33] <shirish>  mv lock.bak lock
[09:33] <shirish> mv: overwrite `lock', overriding mode 0640?
[09:33] <shirish> johnnybuoy: which process?
[09:34] <johnnybuoy> first kill all apt processes
[09:34] <johnnybuoy> apt-get 5606 root    5uW  REG   8,17    0 1075198 lock.bak
[09:34] <johnnybuoy> for one
[09:34] <johnnybuoy> and the other one that's using lock
[09:34] <johnnybuoy> and only run ONE apt process at a time
[09:35] <johnnybuoy> lock-checking isn't implemented for nothing, there is a reason for it
[09:35] <johnnybuoy> and if you are a newB, I'd advise you to install feisty
[09:35] <shirish>  sudo killall apt apt-get aptitude
[09:35] <shirish> aptitude: no process killed
[09:36] <shirish> johnnybuoy: As I said before, I can live with breakage, and would like to report when things are not working
[09:36] <johnnybuoy> your choice
[09:37] <johnnybuoy> but if you report stuff like this, then you are not helping the community.
[09:37] <lamalex> shirish: breakage can often mean a non-functioning system. gutsy is very early in the development cycle
[09:37] <shirish> johnnybuoy: sorry, but that's the reason why I put in the gutsy forum, so some of the experts can diagnoze stuff
[09:37] <shirish> lamalex: true
[09:38] <magic_ninja> whats the package for quicktime
[09:38] <johnnybuoy> okay, I'm cool, you do whatever you want...
[09:38] <lamalex> if you really want to play with gutsy, give it like, 5-10gb of your hard drive
[09:38] <johnnybuoy> magic_ninja, libquicktime?
[09:38] <lamalex> and put feisty on the rest
[09:38] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[09:38] <lamalex> that way you have a functioning system and a fun development play toy
[09:38] <shirish> lamalex: actually, put 2 partitions, one for / & one for /home 80 GB in between them
[09:39] <lamalex> shirish: i don't care how you do it ;)
[09:39] <shirish> lamalex: It's ok even if there is no functioning system sometimes as far as I can learn something from it.
[09:39] <shirish> lamalex: yup, I know sorry
[09:39] <lamalex> haha =P
[09:40] <shirish> the way I look at it, unless I don't get into probs I wouldn't come to know stuff, even though they might not mean so much at this point in time
[09:40] <shirish> but still doing stuff, one does learn & there is no 2 ways about it.
[09:41] <lamalex> no i absolutely agree
[09:41] <lamalex> but to most people a working computer is also needed
[09:41] <DanaG> I mean, comp is for compositing, but what is "iz"?
[09:41] <DanaG> comPIZZ
[09:41] <lamalex> i like coryl
[09:41] <DanaG> COMP-iz.
[09:42] <johnnybuoy> coryl@LOL
[09:42] <johnnybuoy> compositing iz fusion?
[09:42] <johnnybuoy> compiz-fun ;)
[09:42] <shirish> lamalex: that is also true, once I figure out a good guide how to do so i have 2 different /, / & 2 different /home, home & be able to distinguish between them, I would do that.
[09:43] <shirish> one for feisty & one for gutsy each dunno which is the right place for that though.
[09:43] <gnomefreak> guys can you please stay on topic
[09:44] <lamalex> shirish, you only have 1 / at a time
[09:44] <pwnguin> DanaG: i figure its like trapeeze: magical acrobatics of graphics
[09:45] <pwnguin> so is there a place that documents how gnome power manager is supposed to work?
[09:45] <johnnybuoy> no
[09:45] <johnnybuoy> don't even try
[09:45] <shirish> lamalex: of course, what I meant was a way that GRUB can know I have 4 partiitions, & associating one with feisty & one with gutsy so I can boot how I want
[09:45] <johnnybuoy> what is the question?
[09:46] <johnnybuoy> pwnguin, ^
[09:46] <lamalex> shirish, that's done automatically
[09:46] <pwnguin> johnnybuoy: the question is how to profile the battery
[09:46] <johnnybuoy> profile?
[09:46] <johnnybuoy> explain that?
[09:46] <pwnguin> since policy actions are disabled until it's been profiled according to the tooltip
[09:47] <pwnguin> johnnybuoy: thats exactly my question :P
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> ah!
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> pwnguin, okay, i got it
[09:47] <shirish> lamalex: ok will try to post this in the forum, the proper way to do it, so I can have both on the same hdd & can co-exist.
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> just turn off automatic suspending etc. when the batt is empty
[09:47] <pwnguin> i ran the battery out a couple nights ago, need to try it again
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> and run the machine on battery
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> then gpm will know how long your batt works
[09:47] <pwnguin> but i was wondering if that was actually explained anywhere
[09:48] <johnnybuoy> there is a bugreport somewhere...
[09:48] <johnnybuoy> launchpad
[09:48] <pwnguin> since it seems to be a new gnome feature
[09:48] <johnnybuoy> "feature"
[09:48] <johnnybuoy> it desn't really work...
[09:49] <johnnybuoy> i did it once
[09:49] <johnnybuoy> but after that gpm still showed I onlt had 1:50 of battery time
[09:49] <johnnybuoy> only*
[09:49] <pwnguin> i saw a bug about unsetting a variable via gconf
[09:52] <shirish> guys has gnash been taking out of the repository?
[09:53] <shirish> shirish@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search gnash
[09:53] <shirish> shirish@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search mozilla-plugin-gnash
[11:04] <conn> hi, I'm noticing a potentially serious issue with Gutsy. I have a laptop, an Inspiron 510m. About 20 minutes from first boot, the laptop heats up considerably; the CPU ranges from 35-50 celcius, but the hard drive's temp always rises to above 50 celcius. That's within normal operating conditions for the drive, but the underside of the casing feels much hotter than it should - and the hottest area is actually the ram compartment...
[11:04] <conn> I rebooted into XP and the laptop has cooled down considerably, so I think it's a software issue in Gutsy
[11:04] <conn> I don't remember it happening in Feisty or previous releases, either
[11:05] <johnnybuoy> strange, for me linux has always been ice cool compared to windoze
[11:10] <masquerade> conn, here's an important question, in gutsy, do your fans run?
[11:47] <greg_g> here is a general ubuntu (maybe any linux distro) question: why if there is a newer version of an application (take liferea for example) is it not available in the repository.  See this bug for reference: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/121598
[11:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121598 in liferea "Negative amount of unread items" [Low,Incomplete] 
[11:48] <pwnguin> greg_g: it's a matter of testing, for one
[11:48] <pwnguin> stable release planning allows time for bug fixes
[11:49] <greg_g> right
[11:49] <greg_g> but some programs are updated with newer version correct?
[11:49] <greg_g> (before the next distro release)
[11:49] <pwnguin> some? which programs aren't updated with a newer version?
[11:49] <pwnguin> i think you mean some bugs are fixed in newer releases
[11:50] <greg_g> the program version number
[11:50] <greg_g> liferea for example: Ubuntu Feisty has 1.2.10c, but Ubuntu Gutsy (which is still under development) has 1.2.17.
[11:50] <pwnguin> ok
[11:51] <greg_g> I may have stated it incorrectly, but I that is what I mean, newer versions of a program in the current repo
[11:52] <greg_g> and there are bug fixes in 1.2.17 that effect me.. yes, I could install a .deb but does it not help ubuntu to have the latest (stable) version of a program in its distro?
[11:52] <greg_g> (granted, the bug is simple and easy, and not critical, just an annoyance)
[11:52] <pwnguin> the thing is that in the general case, backporting brings in new features
[11:53] <pwnguin> which may break things
[11:53] <greg_g> define backporting (sorry)
[11:53] <pwnguin> bringing a new version of software found in gutsy to feisty
[11:53] <greg_g> I've seen the term before, seen the separate repo option for it.. but never really "got it"
[11:53] <greg_g> ok
[11:53] <pwnguin> for example, if firefox released a new version after the stable was released
[11:54] <pwnguin> generally, the philosophy is that stable releases are version frozen
[11:54] <greg_g> right, but that only happens when the next distro release is made?
[11:54] <greg_g> ok
[11:54] <pwnguin> backports occasionaly happen, but not often
[11:54] <pwnguin> for example bringing in a new firefox could fix bugs but break extensions already installed
[11:55] <pwnguin> but the fact of the matter is that there's only so much developer time in the world
[11:55] <greg_g> so it is testing that limits it.  What if there was a package maintainer for such things?
[11:55] <greg_g> right
[11:55] <pwnguin> then you'd be using debian ;)
[11:56] <pwnguin> in a lot of ways, ubuntu's release system feels targetted for server environments
[11:56] <pwnguin> where you dont want to discover that the new version of apache changed a config setting
[11:56] <greg_g> yeah
[11:57] <greg_g> ok, thanks for clearing it up for me
[11:58] <pwnguin> i mean, it sounds like you want something slightly different
[11:58] <greg_g> it had just been a nagging thing in my head for a while(this in general, not in particular to liferea)
[11:58] <pwnguin> Debian's system is different
[11:58] <greg_g> how so?
[11:59] <pwnguin> think of packages as streams of data or rivers of programs
[11:59] <pwnguin> new versions arrive in unstable
[11:59] <greg_g> really, Ubuntu is my first linux distro I stayed with for more than 1 month (always back to windows for one reason or another, mainly "security blanket")
[11:59] <greg_g> ahh, ok
[12:00] <pwnguin> unstable is the place where the most severe testing occurs
[12:00] <greg_g> that makes sense
[12:00] <pwnguin> after ten days, if nothing  horrible happens
[12:00] <pwnguin> it gets dropped into "testing"
[12:00] <pwnguin> these are platforms, similar the difference between feisty and gutsy
[12:01] <pwnguin> the difference is that gutsy is far more prone to break than Debian unstable
[12:01] <greg_g> right
[12:01] <greg_g> why is that? (that kind of doesn't make sense to me)
[12:01] <pwnguin> greg_g: because some things are harder than others
[12:01] <pwnguin> changing over the compiler for example
[12:01] <pwnguin> usually means changing glibc
[12:02] <pwnguin> which just about every program uses
[12:02] <pwnguin> so for a short while things may not be in a consistant state; i dont know if the mirrors block that or what
[12:02] <greg_g> ok, I guess it does make sense, with gutsy everything is changing NOW, but with unstable, it is more incremental, does that make sense?
[12:03] <pwnguin> the other thing is that the development version is where new work happens
[12:03] <pwnguin> maybe you're redoing init
[12:03] <greg_g> right
[12:03] <pwnguin> and so not everything works; you dont want to support people that broke their install
[12:03] <greg_g> so maybe Ubuntu should have a in-between platform :)
[12:04] <pwnguin> actually, there kind of is
[12:04] <greg_g> ?
[12:04] <pwnguin> it's called -proposed
[12:04] <pwnguin> after the X.org screwup that coulnd't have possibly worked demonstrated that someone didn't test their upload
[12:04] <pwnguin> they decided to use a short delay system called -proposed
[12:05] <pwnguin> i dont know which packages hit that repo when thouhg
[12:05] <gnomefreak> guys can you please move this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:05] <greg_g> sorry gnomefreak
[12:06] <pwnguin> gnomefreak: I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but what's the motivation?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: please move it to offtopic channel
[12:06] <gnomefreak> that should be enough motivation :)
[12:07] <pwnguin> i seem to run into this division of attention thing repeatedly =(
[12:08] <greg_g> ok, so we can stop talking about it pwnguin, is there a specific webpage/item I should look at about -proposed?
[12:11] <pwnguin> greg_g: im not sure there is one =/
[12:12] <greg_g> yeah, I can't find anything through google or the ubuntu-forums, which is why I asked
[12:12] <pwnguin> actually, im on an edgy worstation currently, but check the help section in software sources
[12:12] <pwnguin> that admin gui app
[12:14] <greg_g> thanks
[12:14] <greg_g> I'll work on it from here, back to on-topic discussions