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That's been my number 1 cause of stupid crashes :) [04:14] it only occurs with gnash installed viewing flash [04:15] so maybe not a bug in gnash [04:15] but a conflict between gnash and opengl [04:15] doesn't gnash use opengl? === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:17] Yes, gnash uses OpenGL. [04:17] Not a conflict, but perhaps either a bug in the way gnash uses OpenGL, or that gnash exposes a bug in your opengl drivers :) [04:17] graphics drivers buggy!? say it ain't so! [04:18] :) possible [04:18] Shocking, but occasionally one does find a bug :) === lamalex hopes he doesn't have to start fighting with free radeon devs === alex_mayorga [n=Osito@189.156.199.173] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF31FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:59] any ideas on Bug #121111 [04:59] Launchpad bug 121111 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy Tribe 1 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121111 === jkimball4 [n=jerrid@pc006629.mbsc.unomaha.edu] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-65-174.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:11] alex_mayorga, do you get any errors? [05:11] tried turning splash off and checking the output? [05:12] alex_mayorga, oh, checking on launchpad, nvm [05:13] np [05:14] alex_mayorga, do you have a dual-core machine? [05:15] this 1501 is dual-core? [05:15] alex_mayorga, can you try editing the kernel boot params to add "clocksource=acpi_pm" ? === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:17] alex_mayorga, ? === kalpik [n=kalpik@122.162.164.11] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:22] ?-: [05:23] sorry, I'm back [05:23] yup, the laptop is dual core, AMD [05:23] ah...well, it might help [05:24] 2.6.22 kernel sometimes needs this option on dualcore [05:24] eg. fedora7 [05:24] by editing boot parameters you mean press F6 and add it to the nosplash and stuff already there? [05:24] so it's worth a try [05:24] yes [05:24] got it, I'll reboot and try [05:24] (I could try, but I don't have a tribe1 iso at hand... [05:24] cool [05:24] thanks [05:24] good luck [05:25] check back a say if it worked [05:25] :) [05:25] will do === alex_mayorga [n=Osito@189.156.199.173] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:38] johnnybuoy, no joy :( [05:38] :( [05:39] well, that sucks [05:39] maybe I tried to much options, added the following: noapic nolapic acpi=off pnpbios=off clocksource=acpi_pm [05:40] funny enough the same CD works just great on an Inspiron 6400 (Intel based) [05:40] alex_mayorga, heh [05:41] alex_mayorga, how do you think clocksource=acpi_pm would work with acpi=off ??? === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-068-209-133-121.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:41] out of n00bnes I guess :( [05:41] the other inspiron is dual-core too? [05:42] no it's not [05:42] so what should be my set of options for my next reboot :) === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cowbud [n=fuas@76.2.29.170] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] just add clocksource=acpi_pm [05:47] nothing else [05:47] alex_mayorga, ^ === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex_mayorga rebooting [06:03] :) [06:03] good luck! === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p5B15E41D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === alex_mayorga [n=Osito@189.156.199.173] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:13] johnnybuoy, just chimming in to repor my lack of success [06:14] alex_mayorga, well, sorry then... [06:14] it was worth a try tho... [06:14] when I tried your suggestion I just got to the second error on the initial bugger [06:15] yup, feel free to update bug #121111 with any insight you might share [06:15] Launchpad bug 121111 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy Tribe 1 CD don't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121111 [06:16] alex_mayorga, : [06:16] [0.240000] PCI: Cannot allocate region 7 of bridge 0000:00:05.0 [06:16] [0.240000] PCI: Cannot allocate region 8 of bridge 0000:00:05.0 [06:16] this one? [06:16] affirmative === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:17] alex_mayorga, well, if you ever try again, this option (the clocksource one) and pci=noacpi might help... [06:17] dell should make non-buggy bios [06:18] non-buggy bios'es? [06:18] I am sorry, such things do not exist. [06:19] I actually tried noapic clocksource=acpi_pm also, no joy === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:19] vlowther, heh [06:19] vlowther, just as non-buggy software doesn't [06:19] I've logged the tries on the bugger anyhow, FWIW [06:19] kool [06:19] do you think I shall bugg Dell as well? [06:20] well, is this a laptop that is sold with linux? [06:20] alex_mayorga: what system? [06:20] then yes, as they might want to support gutsy too [06:20] vlowther: Inspiron 1501 [06:21] hm - it could be worth a shot. [06:21] not sure if it's an Ubuntu laptop, no such thing exist in MX as we speak [06:21] MX? [06:21] acpi is broken in design [06:21] I'll take a look and see if there newer bios available [06:21] apple's pmu is soo much cooler [06:22] MX=Mexico=home [06:22] alex_mayorga: you might also want to ping http://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-desktops [06:22] ah.. [06:22] vlowther, thanks [06:23] once that get's nailed there's Bug #92088 next, love all the fun :) [06:23] Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088 [06:23] gah, broadcom wireless === vlowther invested in atheros cards a long time ago just to avoid broadcom wireless nics [06:24] I've got all the ugly components it seems [06:25] what should I be looking for an as easy Ubuntu as it gets when I shop for my next system? [06:25] alex_mayorga: intel stuff [06:25] Intel 3945, intel graphics [06:26] alex_mayorga: or something supported by atheros (see website for a list of cards) [06:26] NOT ATI. [06:26] :P [06:26] nvidia is OK, but avoid ATI like the plauge on a laptop [06:26] so a centrino 2 is it? === Hobbsee likes the core and core 2 duos. [06:26] centrino 2 will probably work fine. [06:26] point taken [06:26] as long as the gpu is not ATI [06:27] I'd like to put my bucks behind FOSS friendly companies [06:28] anyone else bitten by Bug #121228? [06:28] Launchpad bug 121228 in network-manager "Segfault retrieving passphrase for WiFi network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121228 [06:30] bye for now, bed time :) === DanaG sees that HP offers a C2D notebook, 17", with the option of Intel GMA, NVIDIA 8400, or NVIDIA 8600. [06:32] But... they force you to buy Vista. [06:32] Their business machines offer FreeDOS, but most have ATI. :( [06:33] DanaG, sue them to oblivion for that :D [06:33] whatever happened to customer choice [06:35] hah [06:35] what is freedos good for anyways? [06:35] Oh, another thing that's funny: the big deal with Expresscard vs. Cardbus. [06:35] For a while, HP had both. Now they have only Expresscard, just like Dell does. [06:35] But Gateway still has only Cardbus. Is that a good thing? It's up to the person who needs it. [06:36] I myself never needed to use any of thos :) === DanaG uses a cardbus Audigy. === alex_mayorga [n=Osito@189.156.199.173] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Adlai [n=adlaiff6@user-64-9-238-4.googlewifi.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === asimon_ [n=asimon@dslb-084-058-234-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-24-5-168-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === unfo [n=j@CPE000d8824ef4e-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === gonzoism [n=daddy@64.146.89.99] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RealMurphy [n=hacked@dynamic.aei.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:39] gonzoism, officially your question is offtopic here but i think nobody will mind if you ask it. [07:39] gonzoism, just tell them you're running on Ubuntu 7.04 === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:40] ... [07:40] unfo: that's...definetly not on topic for here. [07:40] i notice problems in feisty i never had with dapper or edgy [07:40] load average: 8.30, 4.99, 3.87 [07:40] this is a quiet chanel - most people are off doing other things [07:40] dma is off [07:40] and we arent running feisty here. [07:41] i get errors in dmesg about ide0 resets and stuff, and can paste if anyone likes. [07:42] i get the same errors on a new laptop and a pII box === bur[n] e1 [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:42] gonzoism, ok maybe it is off topic here. :( i apologize. [07:42] this right now is a p4 [07:42] oh. i saw him say that but mis-read it. === Sebastian [n=sb@p50887933.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] e1 [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === cowbud [n=fuas@76.2.29.170] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AlienX [n=theanswr@unaffiliated/alienx] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:00] Heh, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Leap+ahead+%28blue%29?content=59909 [08:00] "Leap Ahead". [08:00] There's also a brown one. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:09] thanks anyways === gonzoism [n=daddy@64.146.89.99] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-16-77.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:17] DanaG: pop quiz. should i get more ram? [08:18] How much do you have? === DanaG has always been a bit behind. [08:19] Had 256 when 512 was a good reasonable amount. [08:20] Had 512 when 1 gig was a good reasonable amount. [08:20] And now I have 1 gig, but don't need to move to 2 gigs even though it'd be better. === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:21] I wish I could have my system reserve a particular swap partition just for s2disk -- then have no normal swap. [08:21] DanaG: 1.5gb [08:21] thikning about going up to 2gb [08:21] If some app, like amarokcollectionscanner, crashes and starts gobbling RAM, which is a better behavior: [08:21] A: Crash when RAM runs out. [08:21] B: Go to swap, and bring the system to a grinding halt as the whole process moves to swap. [08:21] I'd go with A. [08:22] Newegg often has good deals on RAM, though sometimes of less well-known brands. [08:23] For example, a 1 gig DDR2-667 SODIMM for 38 bucks or so. === DanaG will go to bed on the half-hour. [08:24] G'bye. [08:24] er, not yet. [08:25] DanaG: i'm australian [08:25] and my amarok is not on crack. [08:25] That bug was fixed a while ago (t'was a bad-tags issue), but other things sometimes eat RAM. [08:26] Try this for fun: pass `yes` as a parameter to something, when you have a swap larger than your RAM. [08:26] Warning: it brings my system grinding to a near halt. [08:26] heh [08:26] i'll be right [08:26] Or use the /exec plugin in Gaim/Pidgin. [08:26] i like a working system === Hobbsee uses kubuntu [08:26] /exec [08:26] then again....i did manage to shut my machine down somehow by runninga piece of c++ code i wrote [08:27] oops, don't have that one installed. [08:27] One thing odd in Ubuntu, or at least on my system: going off the end of an array gives me zeroes / NULL, not segfaults. [08:27] I learned that when I moved my code to the solaris system the assignments were designed for. [08:27] Now I just edit over gnome-vfs and compile and run using ssh on that server. [08:28] good morning gibbon fans [08:28] hiya coNP [08:28] Fun to try some time: sudo cat > some_file [08:28] and then (if you have enough RAM), view that file in any editor or pager -- the slimmer, the better. [08:29] Or run strings on it, into another file, and look at that file. === DanaG is in pacific timezone. [08:30] (11:30:19 PM) ***DanaG is in pacific timezone. [08:30] Good night -- need sleep. 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NetworkAssistant seems to segfault after logging in on my laptop rendering it kinda useless. === obsethryl [n=cball@unaffiliated/obsethryl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _dennis_ [n=dennis@78-20-190-172.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jjchico [n=jjchico@valhalla.dte.us.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jjchico [n=jjchico@valhalla.dte.us.es] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.192.195] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ccooke [n=ccooke@spc1-walt5-0-0-cust591.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-51-44.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-51-44.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Bubble [i=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cecko [n=cecko@127.14.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu+1 === asimon [n=asimon@dslb-084-059-025-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-42-123.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu+1 === edgy [n=edgy@89.5.72.122] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.205.211.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-9-92.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === obsethryl [n=cball@unaffiliated/obsethryl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MacSlow [i=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 === serAphim [n=seraphim@e179131245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:37] Anyone alive yet? === motin [n=motin@c-2b96e255.19-15-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:40] hah: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40472 [03:40] Enverex: no we are all massmurdered === motin__ [n=motin@c-2b96e255.19-15-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:41] The last dist-upgrade I did last night broke NetworkManager it seems, it just Segfaults when trying to connect to my wireless network now [03:41] Enverex: its known [03:41] but not fixed? [03:42] What's the easiest way to fix it temportarily? [03:42] DanaG: join #ubuntu-offtopic if it has nothing to do with gutsy support [03:42] -t === acuster [n=acuster@AToulouse-256-1-114-91.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:42] Enverex: no it was just found lastnight [03:43] Is there any way to rollback to a previous version of NA though? [03:43] Enverex: if apt-cache show network-manager shows a lower version than you can sudo apt-get install network-manager=version [03:44] 0.6.5-0ubuntu2 is the broken version isnt it? === os2mac [n=jim@114-41-178-69.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:44] yes [03:45] Enverex: if so than you will need to find a deb somewhere [03:45] You can also dig around on mirrors. [03:45] I seem to remember a mirror somewhere that had older things.... let me look. [03:45] That's the only one I see. I'm surprised Ubuntu doesn't have multiple versions for issues like this. At least on Gentoo you can just tell it to install a different version : [03:45] :/ [03:45] Enverex: maybe check /var/cache/apt [03:45] for the older .deb [03:46] Nope [03:46] http://ftp.cica.es/mirrors/Linux/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/pool-ubuntu/ [03:46] They have back to 0.6.2. [03:47] (main,n,network-manager) [03:47] Isn't that i686 though? [03:48] Oh, I'm not sure. [03:48] I've only ever used 32-bit, since I don't have a 64-bit CPU. [03:49] ah, its both === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jaaroo [n=jaro@x53.mykey.cz] has joined #ubuntu+1 === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.205.211.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sittisal [n=sittisal@host91-33.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@d7-251.rb4.clm.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bipolar [n=bflong@216-164-162-138.pa.subnet.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-69-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|laptop [n=Ronald@rijnlaan.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === redheat [n=redheat@196.205.210.178] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:19] hi everyone [04:20] can someone help me please [04:20] !someone [04:20] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [04:20] I'm using the new release of ubuntu.. [04:21] Feisty? [04:21] gutsy, and I'm facing [04:21] Gutsy isn't released yet... [04:21] this problem of logging in or out of hte system [04:21] no, its alpha version is released [04:22] released is a rather ambiguous term [04:23] there has been a clumping of files to allow installation [04:23] It's not released because the final version is the release hence why the versions before it are called RCs (Release Candidates) [04:24] Enverex: snapshots [04:24] Enverex: not RC's. [04:24] Enverex: RC is later. much later [04:24] Hobbsee, Those were what I was referrring to... [04:24] i figure [04:24] d [04:25] ... so why did you just incorrectly "correct" me? [04:25] I said the versions before the final release are called RCs [04:26] Enverex: but they're not === aquo [n=aquo@dslb-088-073-202-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:26] Enverex: they're snapshot releases - they're not the RC. [04:26] hi [04:26] ther'es only one RC for ubuntu [04:27] and the RC is after all the snapshot (tribe) releases [04:27] Hobbsee, What, the very last "pre-releases" before the actual release? [04:27] I want to customize Ubuntu Feisty Fawn and generate install media with my own package set. [04:27] aquo: #ubuntu [04:27] is there some document that explains the difference between ubuntu and http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/? [04:27] Enverex: something like that, yeah. [04:27] Hobbsee, I'm not talking about Gutsy NOW, I'm talking about immediately before release of the final one [04:27] Enverex: ahhh, right. [04:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule outlines it pretty well [04:28] ugh, I'm just going to stop talking because no-one makes sense of anything I say [04:28] lol [04:28] Hobbsee: Nobody is reacting on my question. [04:28] aquo: we're not running gutsy here. [04:28] i am interested in topic like repository management, how packages get into the official distribution and where ubuntu differs from debian. [04:28] ahhh [04:29] aquo: you might be looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment [04:29] er, s/gutsy/feisty/ [04:29] hey, ok. [04:29] thank you === serAphim__ [n=seraphim@e179131203.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agip [n=Agip@201.200.213.54] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:37] it's gutsy alpha? === Toma- [n=e17@124-168-77-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sebast1an [n=sb@p5088518F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === j_ack [n=jack@p508D8554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian === masquerade [n=mirashii@c-71-200-27-82.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === obsethryl [n=cball@unaffiliated/obsethryl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kdubois_ [n=fd@adsl-71-148-47-118.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:58] what are the plans for beryl/comiz integration into gusty? [04:59] if any :-D [04:59] compiz-fusion mebbeh [04:59] *hope* === greg_g_ [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === greg_g__ [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@rijnlaan.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eMaX_ [n=emax@107.59.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.205.211.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DreamThi1f [n=mathias@gateway.3vilh4x0r.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _dennis_ [n=dennis@78-20-190-172.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@d7-251.rb4.clm.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === merhojt [n=Jimmy@h17n5c1o885.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === frandavid100 [n=david@84.126.254.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] hiya guys === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] when I upgraded my packages a couple days ago, nm-applet was removed and I haven't been able to install it ever since. Is that normal? [05:49] alright, nevermind, I just tried and it worked [05:49] sorry to bother! === frandavid100 [n=david@84.126.254.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [05:49] i thought it was installable now === Enverex [i=Ragnarok@unaffiliated/enverex] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Kill_X [i=kill_x@p54A16D65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zaggynl [n=zaggynl@dsl-083-247-110-137.solcon.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.205.211.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fuoco [n=gad@87.69.68.130.cable.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Dannilion [n=danni@149.254.200.218] has joined #ubuntu+1 === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:33] ok, u [07:34] i had a look at garminate, can you tell me where i can find documentation for creating an own live-install cd for ubuntu with my own package set? === kalpik [n=kalpik@122.163.228.29] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Adlai [i=adlaiff6@nat/google/x-987d6617d93a278e] has joined #ubuntu+1 === dotpavan [n=pavan@d00-129-24-143-178.dhcp.unm.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jkimball4 [n=jerrid@ip24-252-32-248.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@a81-197-38-57.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === dotpavan [n=pavan@d00-129-24-143-178.dhcp.unm.edu] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === Snake007uk [n=k@mail.linuxcraft.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === GatoLoko [n=GatoLoko@76.Red-88-15-162.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:21] hi [08:22] since i upgraded to gutsy apport doesn't generate backtraces, is this a new normal behabior or i have something broken? === finalbeta_ [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === karmue [n=karli@e178184232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ronald|Laptop [n=ronald@ip51-232-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === r00tintheb0x [n=r00tinth@198.170.183.130] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Peaker [n=Peaker@84.94.149.97.cable.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:56] python2.5 has a build-dep on emacs21 :P === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.140.212.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:57] haha === serAphim [n=seraphim@e179143053.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra [n=zdra@252.33-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.30.191] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:17] hi all, I have been having this error [09:17] E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [09:17] E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? [09:18] I have documented the same here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476172 [09:18] and some of the responses have been helpful & I am able to use the system without rebooting. [09:19] although i have got also some more sympton of what might have caused should I report it or not? === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:22] shirish, are you doing sudo with your apt-get? [09:23] shirish, sudo lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock [09:23] ;) [09:23] what's the difference between fuser and lsof? === wifimonster [n=andrew@81-86-251-23.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:23] whats the best way for me to install pidgin? [09:24] lumalex: johnnybuoy: I was doing sudo aptitude update & sudo aptitude upgrade [09:24] fuser lists the processes using it, lsof just lists what files are open [09:24] yes [09:24] right? [09:24] wifimonster, sudo apt-get install pidgin [09:24] don't you need to do && [09:24] lamalex: johnnybuoy: sorry, lamalex [09:24] but I guess there is a background process doing an update allready [09:25] lamalex: johnnybuoy: anyway there was an error while decompressing one of the packages, a gzip error [09:25] shirish: np :P [09:25] masquerade: from where? === jaaroo [n=jaro@x53.mykey.cz] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:26] lamalex: johnnybuoy: the .gz error was during update & then doing upgrade, it gave me the lock error [09:26] the gz error means the repo is borken [09:26] lamalex: johnnybuoy: I didn't do the lsof instead I just made a backup of that lock file [09:26] johnnybuoy: lamalex: yup [09:26] backup of a lock file? [09:26] wtf??? [09:26] haha [09:27] i wasn't going to say anything [09:27] somebody recommended it [09:27] pff [09:27] :D [09:27] well, that guy should be shot in the head [09:27] shirish: that person doesn't know what they're talking about [09:27] masquerade:: I mean what repository [09:27] ... I'm not that pissed about it [09:28] johnnybuoy: lamalex: drats, anyway that *tip* worked otherwise whenever something like this happens, I've to reboot & then only the lock is no more. [09:29] johnnybuoy: lamalex: this is the post which the guy had said about just renaming the file to lock.bak which worked http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2869431&postcount=15 [09:29] !quicktime [09:29] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [09:29] johnnybuoy: lamalex: can you guys look at the file & see if you guys can find anything [09:29] shirish, just lsof the file, then you get the program that is using the file [09:30] no, this is a lock file [09:30] it means that an other program is using the dpkg database [09:30] so it's a very bad idea to move the file away [09:30] where can I find a pidgin package [09:30] pidgin is included [09:31] this is the gutsy support channel or is +1 overflow [09:31] :) === lamalex looks at topic [09:31] phew [09:31] removing a lockfile is something even a newb should know not to do [09:31] not going crazy [09:32] johnnybuoy: well, I'm still newbie in lot of things [09:32] johnnybuoy: lamalex: sudo lsof lock.bak [09:32] [sudo] password for shirish: [09:32] COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME [09:32] apt-get 5606 root 5uW REG 8,17 0 1075198 lock.bak [09:32] ahaha then gutsy probably isn't for you [09:32] lock.bak??? [09:32] I renamed the file lock to lock.bak [09:32] that's his backup [09:32] yeah, why do you use gutsy then? [09:33] lol [09:33] shirish: is apt still locked? [09:33] move it back and kill that process [09:33] lamalex: nope [09:33] no, cause it checks for lock and not lock.back [09:33] lock.bak [09:33] move the lockfile back and kill that process [09:33] mv lock.bak lock [09:33] mv: overwrite `lock', overriding mode 0640? [09:33] johnnybuoy: which process? [09:34] first kill all apt processes [09:34] apt-get 5606 root 5uW REG 8,17 0 1075198 lock.bak [09:34] for one === mirak [n=mirak@m60.net81-64-221.noos.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:34] and the other one that's using lock [09:34] and only run ONE apt process at a time [09:35] lock-checking isn't implemented for nothing, there is a reason for it [09:35] and if you are a newB, I'd advise you to install feisty [09:35] sudo killall apt apt-get aptitude [09:35] aptitude: no process killed [09:36] johnnybuoy: As I said before, I can live with breakage, and would like to report when things are not working [09:36] your choice [09:37] but if you report stuff like this, then you are not helping the community. [09:37] shirish: breakage can often mean a non-functioning system. gutsy is very early in the development cycle [09:37] johnnybuoy: sorry, but that's the reason why I put in the gutsy forum, so some of the experts can diagnoze stuff [09:37] lamalex: true [09:38] whats the package for quicktime [09:38] okay, I'm cool, you do whatever you want... [09:38] if you really want to play with gutsy, give it like, 5-10gb of your hard drive [09:38] magic_ninja, libquicktime? [09:38] and put feisty on the rest [09:38] yeah [09:38] that way you have a functioning system and a fun development play toy [09:38] lamalex: actually, put 2 partitions, one for / & one for /home 80 GB in between them === LinAsH [n=missmagu@89.241.212.20] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-223-188.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:39] shirish: i don't care how you do it ;) [09:39] lamalex: It's ok even if there is no functioning system sometimes as far as I can learn something from it. [09:39] lamalex: yup, I know sorry [09:39] haha =P [09:40] the way I look at it, unless I don't get into probs I wouldn't come to know stuff, even though they might not mean so much at this point in time [09:40] but still doing stuff, one does learn & there is no 2 ways about it. [09:41] no i absolutely agree [09:41] but to most people a working computer is also needed === DanaG dislikes the name "Compiz Fusion". [09:41] I mean, comp is for compositing, but what is "iz"? [09:41] comPIZZ [09:41] i like coryl [09:41] COMP-iz. [09:42] coryl@LOL [09:42] compositing iz fusion? [09:42] compiz-fun ;) [09:42] lamalex: that is also true, once I figure out a good guide how to do so i have 2 different /, / & 2 different /home, home & be able to distinguish between them, I would do that. [09:43] one for feisty & one for gutsy each dunno which is the right place for that though. [09:43] guys can you please stay on topic [09:44] shirish, you only have 1 / at a time [09:44] DanaG: i figure its like trapeeze: magical acrobatics of graphics [09:45] so is there a place that documents how gnome power manager is supposed to work? [09:45] no [09:45] don't even try [09:45] lamalex: of course, what I meant was a way that GRUB can know I have 4 partiitions, & associating one with feisty & one with gutsy so I can boot how I want [09:45] what is the question? [09:46] pwnguin, ^ [09:46] shirish, that's done automatically [09:46]