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kmonHi. There's a fix in mepis' grub that I'd love to have in ubuntu (since if make grub usable for intel core 2 duo macs. Anyone knows how to ask for this? or know the url of mepis deb-src apt packages? thanks12:33
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sladenkmon: file a bug report with the patch (so that it gets preserved), then talk to cjwatson if it's not already been included in the imported package from Debian12:35
kmonthe problem is that I have no clue where mephis has their apt sources packages12:35
kmonand as far as tribe 1, it's not included12:36
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kmonI've just asked in #mepis but no one answered12:37
kmonwell, that's not correct12:37
kmona gyu answered, saying he had no clue12:37
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kmonI've filled my comment on the debian bug.12:41
kmonand launchpad12:42
kmonhopefully someone can find mepis source packages :)12:42
kmontime for bed, thanks sladen12:42
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siretartdhsorry? it works for me. can you perhaps file a bugreport?01:17
LaserJocksiretart: what are you doing up so late? :-)01:20
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FujitsuOops. Laaaag.01:28
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ajmitchsiretart: how's debconf?01:31
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keescookjust so I understand usage patterns for xapian-dev, libept has it as a build-dep, but apt itself won't be using the xapian backends?05:16
keescookRiddell: ^^05:17
keescookRiddell: or better yet, which package is going to be using libept?05:19
StevenKThe only one I can think of is packagesearch.05:20
keescookStevenK: ah, cool.05:20
StevenKI've looked at doing the libept merge, it's ... interesting05:20
StevenKAnd the xapian stuff looks pretty broken, too.05:20
StevenKpinot needs to be transitioned due to xapian, but also makes use of libcurl3 and even better, boost, which is completly scragged.05:21
StevenKkeescook: I don't sound bitter, right? :-)05:22
keescookI just want to understand how often the xapian stuff is going to be running with root privs.05:22
StevenKkeescook: I couldn't say, sorry.05:26
StevenKAh ha!05:36
StevenKxapian-bindings needs a merge. Yoink!05:37
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fabbionemorning guys06:07
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mthaddonLaunchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is approx 30 mins06:36
nxvldoes anyone knows where can i find pitti?06:37
Hobbseenxvl: he's asleep at the moment - but here06:37
nxvlHobbsee: wich is his nickname?06:37
nxvloh ok, i understand06:37
nxvlhe's german, doesn't him?06:38
Hobbseehe's pitti on irc06:38
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nxvlso there it must be morning in a few ours mmm i will talk to him tomorrow06:39
fabbionenxvl: one hour more or less....06:40
nxvlfabbione: yes, but here it is 12 oclock almost, and i need to work early in the morning, so i need to sleep06:41
fabbionei suggest you send him an email then06:41
Hobbseemorning fabbione 06:41
fabbionehey Hobbsee 06:41
nxvlfabbione: yes, i have do it :D06:42
nxvli hate to work in corporate world using microsofts productus, but it make's me horney to develop free software :D06:43
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nxvldoes anybody know the package gnome-volume-manager?06:53
Hobbseeit exists.06:53
nxvli mean, if anybody know the source, if anybody has work with it06:54
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lifelessnxvl: I think you are asking that as a prelude to asking something else.06:56
lifelessnxvl: dont. Just ask the real question.06:56
nxvlthe thing is that im trying to fix the bug #10766806:57
nxvlbut i don't find where the code of the bug is06:57
nxvli'm new in this06:58
HobbseeLP isnt up.  doesnt help06:58
nxvli know06:58
nxvli have the bug open06:58
nxvli will paste it in pastebin06:58
nxvlthere it is07:01
fabbionenxvl: looking in the code is a learning curve.07:02
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fabbioneit can take some time to do it on your own, but once you get there, it will much easier to understand than just asking where the bug is :)07:02
nxvlfabbione: yes i have do it, but i've open the .glade and it looks diferent i thing it isn't about the gnome-volume-manager package07:03
fabbionenxvl: i didn't read the bug.. i am just giving you a hint :)07:03
nxvlfabbione: heh, ok thnx for the helo anyway :D07:04
nxvlwhat is a .desktop.in?07:06
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LaserJockit is a file that is built into a .desktop07:07
LaserJockwhich is generally a file used for menu entries07:08
LaserJockalthough it can be used for other things I think07:08
nxvlnow im sure, the bug isn't talking about that package07:08
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=== desrt *shock horror*
LaserJockdesrt: it's because LP is down07:15
Hobbseedesrt: idle?  nah.07:15
desrtoh.  thank goodness.  i was frightened for a moment.07:15
Hobbseedesrt: i cant talk to people forever - tehy seem to get bored of me :P07:15
LaserJockshe's connected bionicly to LP07:15
ajmitchor scared07:15
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=== Hobbsee has been being a proper girl.
Hobbseenow *that* should make you scared!07:16
=== desrt just got back from shopping
ajmitchit does07:16
fabbionemy eyes!07:16
desrti bought a shwarma.07:16
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fabbioneHobbsee shipping.. desrt shopping... 07:16
fabbioneare we all becoming girls? :P07:17
somerville33Hobbsee is... shipping?07:17
nxvlwhen automount makes an icon on my desktop, what package opens when i click on Properties on the "right-click" menu?07:17
desrtnxvl; nautilus...07:17
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Hobbseefabbione: haha07:17
Hobbseefabbione: you're next.07:17
nxvldesrt: thats when y click, not in propertins on right click07:18
desrtnxvl; i'm positive that nautilus is responsible for showing the properties dialog07:19
somerville33Wee... lp is back07:19
nxvldesrt: sure? ok, i will look on that code07:19
nxvlLP is up again07:22
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nxvlwell im going to sleep, please tell pitti to read mi mail (at ubuntu dot com) and/or answer me at launchpad (bug #107668)07:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107668 in gnome-volume-manager "Setting an invalid mount point can make a removeable media unaccessible" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10766807:30
nxvlsee you07:30
mthaddonLaunchpad is back up after code update - total downtime was 26 minutes07:30
Hobbseedesrt: you wouldnt happen to have a picture of quinn anywhere, would you?07:31
Hobbseemthaddon: yay, thankyou :)07:31
ajmitchHobbsee: now go attack that bug!07:31
desrtHobbsee; i would happen to.07:31
Hobbseedesrt: link?07:31
desrton flickr somewhere :p07:32
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Hobbseedesrt: that doesnt hlep07:32
Hobbseemorning pitti 07:32
nxvlthere he is07:32
StevenKpitti: Morning07:32
pittiGood morning07:32
desrtHobbsee; quinn was at DAM407:32
nxvlpitti: good morning07:32
pittihey StevenK 07:32
somerville33Morning pitti07:32
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nxvlpitti: i was looking for you07:33
pittiHobbsee: poking time for tribe-2 bugs?07:33
pittinxvl: hi07:33
Hobbseepitti: quite possibly.07:33
ajmitchhi pitti 07:33
nxvlpitti: i have send you an e-mail07:33
pittiajmitch! how are you?07:33
nxvlpitti: and post on LP bug #10766807:33
ajmitchpitti: good, how are you?07:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107668 in gnome-volume-manager "Setting an invalid mount point can make a removeable media unaccessible" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10766807:33
pittinxvl: right, I saw that yesterday, I think; still on my list...07:33
StevenKpitti: I've looked at libxapian13 cruft, one sync filed, one upload, and the third blows up violently.07:34
nxvlpitti: i have answer like an hour ago07:34
pittiStevenK: blows up?07:35
nxvlpitti: i was looking for the bug but is seems to me it isn't that package07:35
pittinxvl: ah, it's in gnome-mount07:36
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pittinxvl: that particular dialog is in /usr/share/gnome-mount/gnome-mount-properties.glade07:36
pittinxvl: and managed by /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-1.0/libgnome-mount.so07:36
StevenKpitti: Package in question is pinot, and is also affected by the libcurl3 and boost transitions. Boost is utterly, utterly stuffed, and I think pinot doesn't cope with the changed in xapian anyway.07:36
pittinxvl: I fixed the package in the bug07:36
nxvlpitti: so i don't need to fix it?07:37
pittiStevenK: so, candidate for the "*shrug* leave it broken" list?07:37
StevenKpitti: Not sure, I will have another look.07:37
pittinxvl: no, I mean I didn't fix the actual bug, I just changed the package name in the bug report :)07:37
StevenK  device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Cannot allocate memory07:38
StevenKHrm, neat.07:38
nxvlso i will try to fix it07:38
pittiasac: when do you plan the next ffox upload? bug 119814 is trivial to fix, and currently milestoned07:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119814 in firefox "/usr/share/doc/firefox/MPL missing in gutsy package" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11981407:38
pittinxvl: great! thanks a lot07:39
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nxvlbut i will do it tomorrow, now it's time for bet07:41
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nxvlbye to everyone07:42
nxvland thnx for the help07:42
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Luckyetheere is anyone here?08:33
Luckyei have some cuestion?08:33
pitti!ask | Luckye 08:33
ubotuLuckye: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)08:33
BurgundaviaLuckye: hello08:33
Luckyeis there some one who has used glade?08:33
Burgundaviathis channel really isn;t for developing software on Ubuntu08:34
BurgundaviaI recommend the #gnome-hackers or irc.gimp.net for that08:34
Luckyeand where is the channel?08:34
Burgundaviaon irc.gimp.net08:34
BurgundaviaLuckye: ^08:41
Luckyemy friend,08:47
Luckyei went to irc.gimp.net08:47
Luckyeand anyone could tell me some thing about that problem08:47
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dholbachgood morning08:55
pittihey dholbach 08:56
dholbachhiya pitti08:56
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LaserJockmorning pitti 09:05
pittihey LaserJock 09:05
LaserJocknice interview :-)09:05
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pittiHobbsee: he broke the 'do not touch static interfaces' fix of n-m09:05
Hobbseepitti: oh dear.09:05
StevenKI knew there was reason I didn't want to touch n-m.09:05
StevenKPeople wanting my blood if I broke it would be it.09:06
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BurgundaviaI had fun with n-m today09:07
Burgundaviamy wired port is physically busted09:07
Hobbseewell, knetworkmanager's wokring fine.09:08
Burgundaviaimagine the fun when n-m decided not to see my wireless card09:08
StevenKpitti: Do you have a second to help me with some C++ hell?09:08
pittiStevenK: I'm not a C++ expert, but what's up?09:09
StevenKpitti: I'm trying to patch pinot so it actually builds.09:09
LaserJockBurgundavia: oh, remember when I was having all kinds of freezes and weird things?09:09
LaserJockBurgundavia: and you told me to try removing NM09:09
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LaserJockI haven't had *any* issues since09:09
Burgundaviaironically I haven't had any issues since I told you09:09
StevenKpitti: It was calling stem_word(), but it seems the newer version of xapian changes that to operator(). So I replaced pStemmer->stem_word(blah) with pStemmer(blah), but it still gives me an error.09:10
pittihm, no idea really09:11
hungerStevenK: (*pStemmer)(blah)?09:11
StevenKhunger: Hrm, let me try that.09:12
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StevenKhunger: That did the trick, thanks!09:17
StevenKhunger: My question is, why do I need to (*blah) it?09:18
hungerpStemmer is a pointer.09:18
hungerStevenK: So (*pStemmer) dereferences that so you get the actual object.09:19
StevenKAh, so I need to dereference it.09:19
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hungerStevenK: And on that you call the operator().09:19
=== hunger thinks the operator() sucks when used with pointers... ruins the whole elegance of the original idea:-)
StevenKHeh, yes.09:20
StevenKpitti: Okay, if pinot builds, it should hit the archive before the publisher run, and if you process the sync I just filed, that's all of the xapian transitions, too.09:22
pittiStevenK: bug#?09:22
pittior package name?09:22
StevenKpitti: Heh, I was only kidding.09:22
StevenKpitti: Bug 12148809:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121488 in xapian-bindings "Please sync xapian-bindings (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12148809:23
pittihey, what happened to my stock replies?09:23
Hobbseepitti: they changed with the new LP09:24
StevenKpitti: pinot uploaded.09:25
StevenKLaunchpad supports stock replies?09:25
pittiStevenK: a greasemonkey script from keescook 09:26
pittiHobbsee: darn, it again forgets the status09:26
Hobbseepitti: statuses have changed a lot...09:26
Hobbseeand it's case sensitive09:27
pittiright, but it's the same problem I had yesterday09:27
pittizope.security.interfaces.ForbiddenAttribute: ('currentrelease', <Distribution at 0x2aaab2908f10>)09:27
=== pitti stares at sync-source
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pittiit's all seb128's fault!09:27
seb128hey pitti09:27
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seb128what did I do this time? ;)09:28
pitti$ sync-source -b stevenk -f xapian-bindings09:28
Fujitsuseb128: Everything.09:28
pittizope.security.interfaces.ForbiddenAttribute: ('currentrelease', <Distribution at 0x2aaab2908f10>)09:28
pittiyay new LP rollout09:28
pittihandy a week before tribe-2 release09:28
Hobbseepitti: indeed.09:30
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pittiHobbsee: ah, got it: if I first use "Fix%20Released", save, and then change it to "Fix Released", it works09:30
seb128too many status choices with the new version :/09:30
pittiHobbsee: apparently the first save attempt doesn't get along with spaces09:30
Hobbseepitti: go figure...it works fine with Fix Released here09:30
pittiright, it's just a workaround for the initial saving09:30
pittiand it's not clear at all which of the states are 'closed' ones09:31
pittiStevenK: so, "No milk^Wsync today"09:31
Hobbseepitti: can i have a pony instead?09:32
StevenKpitti: So it would seem.09:32
pittiStevenK: there's still http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/syncpackage, of course :)09:32
pittiStevenK: I wrote that ages ago when soyuz sync wasn't there yet09:33
Hobbseepitti: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+nominations yet?09:33
Hobbseepitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - left panel.  easy to get to now, too09:33
FujitsuThat view is nice, I saw it before.09:33
pittiHobbsee: oh, cool09:33
FujitsuIt even has proper permissions :D09:34
Hobbseewhere proper == ?09:34
FujitsuMOTU can accept/reject for {un,mult}iverse.09:34
Hobbseeah right09:36
pittiion_: got a minute to discuss r-m's modalias handling?09:41
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pittilook, another Hobbsee_!09:41
FujitsuAttack of the clone-sticks.09:41
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Hobbsee_ZOMG THEY'RE MULTIPLYING!  EVERYBODY HIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!09:43
=== Hobbsee_ decided that it was far saner to transfer 5gb via wired, rather than wireless, tyvm.
=== Fujitsu decided that it was saner to have irssi running on an external machine.
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Hobbseei prefer not to have private conversations, and logs, on other people's machines.09:44
Hobbseeelse i would, too09:45
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FujitsuI do most of that over XMPP, so it's not much of a problem.09:46
HobbseeFujitsu: LongPointyStick does that, though.09:46
FujitsuXMPP is Jabber.09:47
StevenKExtensible Messaging and Presence Protocol09:47
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Hobbseetrue.  i was more thinking "how does it work in this context"09:47
FujitsuIt works by me not PMing much, and talking to people over XMPP instead.09:48
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mvoRiddell: debtags complains that it needs libept-dev >= 0.5.2 but that appears to be not in the archive yet09:55
mvoRiddell: for me adept works now, recompile is enough, I do not get a error or anything on opening the cache09:56
dholbachhiya mvo09:59
mvohey dholbach10:01
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pittihi Tonio_ 10:14
pittiTonio_: current n-m breaks statically configured interfaces in /e/n/interfaces again10:14
Tonio_pitti: that was patched right ?10:16
Tonio_pitti: that's a part of the patches I didn't reapply, I have to ping the patcher for this10:16
pittiTonio_: in the previous version, yes10:16
pittiTonio_: Mithrandir or Keybuk presumably?10:16
Tonio_pitti: if you look in the package, there is a "non applied patches" folder for those that needed rewritting10:16
pittiah, ok10:16
Tonio_pitti: I guess it was fabionne10:17
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asacpitti: when is tribe-2 milestone release?10:29
fabbioneasac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule10:30
asacpitti: i have this MPL bug already committed locally ... wanted to fix one or two more bugs before upload10:30
fabbioneit's next week10:30
asacfabbione: thanks ;)10:30
fabbioneso it's possible that freeze will come soon10:30
pittiasac: next Thursday10:31
asacpitti: ok ... so is monday ok for you?10:33
pittiasac: sure, that's fine10:33
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dholbachgpocentek, mr_pouit: we can drop the gcalctool-gtk package as the libgnome dependency has been dropped upstream10:38
dholbachgpocentek, mr_pouit: I'll upload the new version now - can you make another upload of it and drop the -gtk package stuff and change your seeds?10:38
pittidholbach, gpocentek, mr_pouit: NB that you should keep the old package as transitional one until next LTS (or next release if that package wasn't in dapper)10:41
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siretartLaserJock: was just about to go to bed ;)10:59
siretartajmitch: great! - very different to UDS, but great!10:59
dholbachsiretart: do you know something about why bzr-builddeb is not installable atm?11:00
siretartdholbach: oh. damn. /me checks11:03
siretartdholbach: oh, right. we need to sync 0.16.2 from unstable to gutsy11:05
dholbachnice :)11:05
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siretartdholbach: I thought Etienne agreed to take care that a new upload of bzr doesn't break bzr-* packages :/11:06
geseris the auto-syncing from Debian already stopped?11:10
pittigeser: not yet11:12
geserpitti: will claws-mail be synced from Debian or should I reopen bug #118643?11:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118643 in Ubuntu "please sync claws-mail from debian unstable" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11864311:14
pittigeser: we'll sync it automatically11:15
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gesergood, because it didn't happen yet (it's a new package)11:17
seb128geser: new packages are not synced every day11:20
siretartdholbach: I need to merge python-debian for bzr-builddeb11:21
dholbachthanks siretart11:23
shawarmaIs it on purpose that there are no package description translations for e.g. feisty-updates ?11:24
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siretartdholbach: can you please request a sync of bzr-builddeb for me? (I only have a chroot at hand, I'm still at debconf)11:33
siretartdholbach: I just uploaded python-debian11:33
dholbachseb128: could you do a sync of bzr-builddeb (when you find the time)?11:34
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seb128dholbach: syncs are borked since the recent launchpad rollout11:34
seb128will do when that's fixed11:34
dholbachoh... :(11:35
dholbachthanks a lot seb12811:35
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seb128you're welcome11:35
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siretartseb128: would you hit be very hard if I did a fakesync? (upload it as 0.16.2build1)?11:36
seb128no, feel free, better to use a lower version than Debian though11:37
seb128~build1 maybe11:37
siretartok. thanks11:37
seb128so we can sync later11:37
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siretartdholbach: okay, bzr-builddeb should work again in a few hours11:43
dholbachrock and roll11:43
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dholbachTheMuso: want to update gnome-speech?11:58
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TheMusodholbach: Ah yes. I wanted to be sure that recent additions to gnome-speech in Debian made it through binary new.12:04
dholbachah ok12:04
TheMusoWhat happens with new binary packages that are placed in the contrib section, but the source package is in main, when they are brought into Ubuntu?12:05
shawarmaajmitch: Are you planning to do the samba merge, by the way?12:05
ajmitchshawarma: I was going to, though I'm surprised that noone else picked it up since then12:06
Riddellmvo: yes, debtags is waiting on ept to get libxapian in main12:06
shawarmaajmitch: It just had your name written all over it :)12:06
ajmitchthere wasn't much to do, I think I had it mostly done & not at all tested12:06
ajmitchshawarma: you're the first person to even ask me about the merge :)12:06
shawarmaajmitch: Heh. 12:07
ajmitchah, I see I have to update for 3.0.25a-2 anyway12:10
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shawarmaWhat's the point in keeping kbd-chooser around in universe?12:14
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shawarmaHas the next [BH] ugDay been announced? I know it's the 27th, but has an announcement been made?01:07
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Keybukasac: ping?01:12
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KeybukTonio_: ping?01:13
Tonio_Keybuk: pong ?01:14
KeybukTonio_: why doesn't network-manager-gnome depend on network-manager?01:15
HawkeVhey guys, does a debug version of 2.6.17-10-generic (edgy) exist with the kernel memory leak detector patch implemented?01:17
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Tonio_Keybuk: I didn't investigate on that point01:17
Tonio_Keybuk: I kept the same depedancies as on the previous package01:17
KeybukTonio_: also why have you dropped the manual configuration patches?01:17
Tonio_Keybuk: I didn't drop them, but there was a problem to reapply them since the applet is now a separate tarball01:18
KeybukTonio_: you haven't; the feisty network-manager-gnome *does* depend on network-manager01:18
KeybukTonio_: why didn't you reapply them?01:18
asacKeybuk: i didn't do the last merge ...01:18
Keybukthere was a daemon and an applet patch01:18
Tonio_Keybuk: my C knowledge is very limited so I wanted to ping fabione, he wrote the patch in the first place01:18
Tonio_Keybuk: the patch mostly needs to be rewritten, as the code changed a lot, and I'm not a C coder myself...01:19
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Tonio_Keybuk: concerning the dependancies, I guess there is something wrong with network-manager-dev/shlibsdeps01:19
Keybukif you can't apply a patch, don't just drop it!01:19
asacKeybuk: is network manager code in bzr somewhere?01:20
Keybukin fact, you shouldn't have uploaded the merge without it -- instead handed the complete merge (without the patch) to someone who can fix it01:20
Keybukwe're now left with a network-manager regression against feisty01:20
Tonio_Keybuk: I didn't drop it, I put it in a "non-applied-patches" folder in the source package, waiting to ping the guy to rewrite it01:20
Keybukand we would not have been aware of it, had I not been reading -changes01:20
asacTonio_: ask me next time ... do you still have the original merge files ... so we can redo?01:20
Tonio_Keybuk: that was discussed with seb128 and pitti, that all the patches were not there etc...01:21
Tonio_asac: the original not applied patches are in the source package01:21
Tonio_Keybuk: I was about to ping the guys tomorrow to fix those patches issues01:21
KeybukTonio_: ok01:21
Tonio_Keybuk: concerning the depedancy, I have to investigate, but the easiest is to just reupload with a manually added dep01:22
Tonio_Keybuk: something changed in the -dev part and shlibsdeps seems not to get it...01:22
Tonio_Keybuk: I know the upload perfect, but we're in the dev cycle right ? :)01:22
Keybukit could be01:22
Keybuksure, we're in the dev cycle :)01:22
Keybukbut it is important that when an upload is made with a Todo, the Todo is announced somewhere public01:22
Tonio_Keybuk: was a first shot, then I'll ping the patchers to help on the patching part01:23
Keybukjust in case you're hit by a bus or something01:23
Keybukbest way is to make an obvious large note in the changelog01:23
Keybukor to mail ubuntu-devel with the note01:23
Tonio_Keybuk: the big problem was the nm-applet now splitted in another tarball01:23
Tonio_Keybuk: hehe, oki I'll send an email on -devel, probably tomorrow (no time today, emergency at work)01:23
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asacTonio_: ok, will you try get these patches reapplied and if you run into problems let me know?01:28
Tonio_asac: sure01:29
asacTonio_: great!01:29
Tonio_asac: as I'm not a gnome user myself, it'll be hard for me to test the patches, but I'll ping the guys that patched before, and the ml, that's the easiest way to get n-m working correctly in a short time I guess01:29
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shawarmaDid everyone else also get an lp e-mail about #121292 ?01:32
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ograshawarma, do i have to feel left out if not ?01:33
shawarmaBug 12129201:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121292 in ksudoku "test bug" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12129201:33
shawarmaogra: You're not missing out :)01:34
Keybukshawarma: not me01:34
shawarmaI'm just wondering since it didn't have the usual "You're receiving this e-mail because..." and i can't figure out why. I01:34
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ion_pitti: Yes.01:49
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Keybukhmm, ENOPITTI02:10
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Keybukpitti: aha!02:18
pittihi Keybuk 02:18
Keybukbcm firmware02:19
Keybukis there any particular reason that you need to rmmod/modprobe the module?02:19
Keybukor any particular reason you want it to fail on modprobe so you can modprobe again?02:19
pittiKeybuk: yes, it would be nice if we could make this effective without a reboot02:21
Keybukpitti: I have a much cuter solution02:22
pittiKeybuk: is there a 'poke this module again' call?02:22
mjg59Yes, you can detach/attach via sysfs02:22
pittiKeybuk: I mean, bug 121504 could still be implemented to reduce confusion, but if there's a 'reload' option, that would be nicer indeed02:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121504 in module-init-tools "test availability of firmware for bcm43xx" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12150402:23
NafalloMithrandir: around?02:23
kylempitti, the "correct" way to do this, would be to use modinfo to pull the MODULE_FIRMWARE fields out of the module and check for those.02:24
kylemthen it could be extended to all modules using firmware.02:24
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ion_pitti: Im online.02:25
Keybukpitti: it'd be worth testing to see whether unbind'ing and bind'ing to its devices causes a firmware reload02:25
pittikylem: hmm, modinfo bcm43xx|grep -i firmware is empty here02:25
kylempitti, well, conveniently enough, we can fix this. ;-)02:25
pittiKeybuk: testing now02:28
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pittiyay LP file downloads02:30
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AnAntHello, when is the next sync with Debian ?02:31
Keybukmvo: hmm, none of the alternate focus animations work for me02:32
pittiAnAnt: I would have done it tomorrow; right now the sync tool is broken, thoug02:32
Keybukmvo: they all just "fade"02:32
Keybukmvo: if I set it to "dodge", it sets it back to fade when I look again02:33
Keybukbug for racarr, I suspect :p02:33
pittiKeybuk: so, I removed the firmware, rebooted, and now are firmware-less02:33
mvoKeybuk: I have set "fade" to autoenable in the global config, I wonder if that causes this 02:33
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pittiKeybuk: what exactly do I have to poke now/02:35
Keybukpitti: 02:35
Keybukcd /sys/bus/pci/drivers/$BROADCOM02:35
pittiKeybuk: /sys/module/bcm43xx/drivers/pci:bcm43xx has some 'bind'/'unbind' files02:35
Keybukecho -n $PCIID > unbind02:36
Keybukecho -n $PCIID > bind02:36
Keybukthe pci id can be found by just "ls" :)02:36
pittiah, that one02:36
AnAntpitti: ok, I find that the package mutt in gutsy is sync'ed with a mutt version in experimental (not unstable)02:37
AnAntpitti: but it is sync'ed to an old version of mutt (1.5.16 is now out)02:37
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pittiAnAnt: no problem, that will autosync in the next run02:37
pittiKeybuk: 'echo 0001:10:12.0 | sudo tee unbind' gives me 'unbind: no such device'02:38
pitti'bind' as well02:38
Keybuk-n is important02:38
pittiah, sorry02:38
AnAntpitti: so will that sync update mutt to 1.5.16 ?02:38
Keybukand I'm not sure -n is compatible with tee ;)02:38
AnAntpitti: thanks02:38
pittiKeybuk: indeed, that works great02:38
Keybukpitti: does that reload the firmware02:38
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Keybukisn't Driver Core great? :)02:41
pittikeescook: *sniff* my fancy canned bug replies disapper with every reboot02:41
pittiso, let's turn this into r-m code 02:42
StevenKGrah. pinot failed to build on sparc, i386 and ppc. Funnily enough it managed to build on amd64 and ia64.02:42
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MithrandirNafallo: now I am02:49
NafalloMithrandir: PM :-)02:49
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pittiHobbsee: *poke* :)02:54
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Hobbseemust be alive then.02:54
xxxxx1hello Hobbsee 02:55
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Hobbseewater will do nothing.03:02
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Hobbseeheh, thanks03:02
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pittiso, one click to open restricted-manage, one to activate the firmware for bcm43xx, one to acknowledge dl'ing from the internet, and *plopp*, wifi is usable from r-m03:39
pittithat's almost too easy to stay an incentive to buy hardware with free drivers :)03:39
pittiKeybuk: thanks again for the bind trick :) it's codified in r-m now, in a pretty generic manner03:39
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pittis/usable from r-m/usable from network-manager/, of course03:40
StevenKpitti: Neat!03:40
cyberixHow will the default configuration for Effect-enabled desktop be generated?03:40
mjg59pitti: I'm a bit worried about doing it in r-m03:41
mjg59pitti: The freeness of the bcm firmware isn't very different to that of most firmware we distribute...03:42
cypherbiospitti: no need to restart nm-applet?03:42
pitticypherbios: nope03:42
cypherbiosthat's great03:42
pittimjg59: well, the difference that matters to us is that we cannot distribute the bcm firmware03:42
mjg59pitti: Eh. We can't really distribute the ipw2100 firmware, but we do it anyway :)03:43
mjg59The difference is that we have tacit approval to do so...03:43
mjg59I'm not sure that we have any guarantees that that extends to downstream distributors03:43
pitticypherbios: so far you had to restart NetworkManager and reload the module; nm-applet is the least complicated bit :)03:48
dholbachTheMuso: why don't you do the gnome-speech update to 0.4.14 at the same time?03:48
cypherbiospitti: in this case I think is better to tell the user he needs to restart the computer and ask if he wants to do it now. what do you think?03:49
pitticypherbios: that's what happened before with firmware, and still happens with video drivers03:50
pitticypherbios: but now, firmware installations don't need a restart of anything any more03:50
cypherbiossounds nice03:51
mvopitti: what does restriced-manager --check-composite do exactly? will it just check or will it modify the configuration?03:52
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pittimvo: if it needs one, it'll offer you to enable it03:53
Riddellkeescook: did you do the xapian review?03:54
pittimvo: in detail, if you start it as normal user with --check-composite, and you need the nvidia driver, it'll do 'gksu restricted-maanger --enable nvidia'03:54
pittiRiddell: yes, he did03:54
pittiRiddell: couple of issues, but nothing earth-shaking; these can be sorted out later03:55
pittiRiddell: if this stuff is urgent, go ahead and promote it now03:55
mvopitti: is the behaviour/exit codes documented somewhere?03:55
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Riddellpitti: thanks, it's only urgent because of the number of people telling me adept needs to be fixed :)03:56
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pittimvo: not really; it's just standard exit codes: 1 for failure or not necessary, 0 for installed successfully; but we can change this03:57
mvopitti: its fine, I will document it in the desktop-effects enable code03:58
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pittimvo: we probably need to tell apart the 'not needed' vs. 'failed to install' cases?03:59
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pittimvo: anyway, that code bit is quite small and in one place, so if you need to change r-m, just point me to a branch (or tell me what to change)04:00
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pittiStevenK: kick it with remove-package? :)04:04
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StevenKpitti: It's frankly, pissing me off. It builds on amd64 but not i38604:05
pittiStevenK: unless you actually care about that package, don't waste too much time on it04:05
StevenKI so don't.04:05
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pittiStevenK: cruft list on people updated, FYI04:27
StevenKpitti: Thanks, you rock.04:27
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gesermvo: Hi, how can I find out why update-manager doesn't want to update my gutsy system?04:32
geserwhen I click on "Install updates" only the dialog "Checking for Updates" appears and I'm back at the start04:33
seb128geser: does it happen if you run update-manager from a command line?04:33
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geserit doesn't matter if I do start update-manager from the console or the tray icon04:34
seb128k,I had the same bug the other day but it was happening only when using the tray icon04:35
Keybukis gnome-keyring broken?04:36
geserit tried starting update-manager from the console in hope to get some error message04:36
Keybukor is it gnome-gpg that's broken?04:36
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pittignome-gpg: gkr-secure-memory.c:653: gkr_secure_memory_free: Assertion `0 && "memory does does not belong to gnome-keyring"' failed.04:37
geserI tried now gksu update-manager and this works04:37
Keybukpitti: yeah, I get that too04:37
pittiKeybuk: however, it works for me04:37
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mvo__geser: know bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/12095704:38
Keybukoh, I see, it does actually work04:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120957 in update-manager "UpdateManager fails to fetch dist-upgrade tarball" [High,Fix committed]  04:38
KeybukI assumed with such an OMGTSIF error, it didn't work04:38
HobbseeKeybuk: what does OMGTSIF extract to?04:38
pittithe sky is falling?04:38
Hobbseecool!  let it fall!04:39
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gesermvo__: I'm already running gutsy, is it still the same bug?04:39
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KeybukHobbsee: more sky04:40
Keybukand then, after a while, no more sky04:40
mvo__geser: oh, that is a different one, can paste it04:41
Hobbseeooo :)04:41
HobbseeKeybuk: and what's there instead of teh sky?  :P04:41
KeybukHobbsee: nothing04:41
Keybukwell, mostly nothing, with stray bits of thing moving through it04:41
nxvl_pitti: hi again04:41
HobbseeKeybuk: way cool :P04:41
pittihi nxvl_ 04:41
nxvl_pitti: i'm trying to solve the bug, but i'm kind of lost04:42
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pittinxvl_: where's the obstruction?04:43
nxvl_pitti: tell me if i'm on the right way, i have open the .glade using glade-3, then i look for the name of the textbox and i i'm loking for it on the .c file04:43
gesermvo__: when I click on "Install updates" only the dialog "Checking for Updates" appears and I'm back at the start. it doesn't matter if I start update-manager from the console or the tray icon. using gksu update-manager from a console works.04:43
nxvl_pitti: but i only find the call for the GUI, not the main function of what is the program doing with it04:43
nxvl_pitti: y also don't find the "OK" button to see what happen when it's press04:44
pittinxvl_: the drive_mount_point_entry GtkEntry, right?04:44
gesermvo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26607/ that's all I get04:45
pittinxvl_: this is connected to mount_point_entry_changed()04:45
nxvl_pitti: no, the volume_mount_point_entry GtkEntry04:45
pittinxvl_: right, one for the drive, one for volume04:46
pittinxvl_: but they are both connected to mount_point_entry_changed()04:46
pittinxvl_: that's the function which reads the value from the input line and puts it into gconf04:47
nxvl_pitti: and how do i know that? just knowing or is any way to see it?04:47
pitti$ grep -r drive_mount_point_entry .04:47
pittinxvl_: there you see the gtk_signal_connect()04:47
mvo__geser: interessting, could you please file a bug04:47
pittiit's easy to find if you search for the entry widget name in ./src/gnome-mount-properties-view.c04:48
pittinxvl_: I think this should either print a warning dialog or just change a slash into an underscore or so, or maybe both04:48
gesermvo: will do04:49
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nxvl_pitti: i see the gtk_signal_connect, but don't see the function attach to it :S04:50
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nxvl_pitti: i see the gtk_signal_connect, but don't see the function attach to it :S04:51
pittieh, WTF? my xchat window disappeared into the void again04:51
pittinxvl_: if you said something after my last reply, I lost it04:51
nxvl_pitti: i knew it, so i repeeat it :D04:52
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StevenKpitti: It's a hint that you need to use irssi.04:52
Hobbseepitti: you shouldnt have named it martin.04:52
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pittiitz gtk bug04:52
pitti        gtk_signal_connect (glade_xml_get_widget (properties->xml, "volume_mount_point_entry"),04:53
pitti                            "changed",04:53
pitti                            GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC (mount_point_entry_changed),04:53
pitti                            properties);04:53
pittinxvl_: ^ here, 3rd line04:53
nxvl_with irssi there is no gtk bugs :D04:53
ion_stevenk: irssi is dead, long live irssi2. :-)04:53
Nafalloion_: huh? :-)04:53
ion_stevenk: Just kidding, its not ready for everyday usage yet.04:53
ion_But it will rule, when it gets there.04:53
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nxvl_pitti: ah ok, now i see it, thnx, now a little bug attacking04:55
nxvl_thnx a lot04:56
StevenKOh, thanks, metacity.04:56
pittinxvl_: you're welcome; happy hacking! :)04:56
StevenKPlease remove DOUBLE_CLICK_ from known macros04:57
gesermvo__: filed as bug #12158105:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121581 in update-manager "[gutsy]  update-manager doesn't update anymore" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12158105:01
nxvl_pitti: i need to check for every / or just the first one? i mean if it starts with a /05:01
mvo__geser: thanks!05:01
pittinxvl_: depends on what you want to do05:01
pittinxvl_: I'd recommend to replace all / with _ and give a warning dialog that / is not allowed05:02
pittinxvl_: there's g_string_replace() or so for that05:02
pittinxvl_: also, the label says 'mount point', that's really confusing05:03
pittinxvl_: it should be 'mount directory in /media' or so05:04
pittibut that's too long05:04
nxvl_pitti: so, change the / for _ and tell in the warning that / are not allowed and i'm changing it fot _?05:04
pittinxvl_: the user will see the replacement, just pointing out / is enough IMHO05:05
nxvl_pitti: "Mount point inside /media" sounds good to you?05:05
pittinxvl_: but the UI for that needs to be more clear05:05
pittinxvl_: the label would be quite long, wouldn't it?05:05
pittinxvl_: you should discuss that with David Zeuthen (upstream) on the mailing list05:05
pittiif we change strings, it shuold be done upstream so that we don't keep breaking translations05:06
nxvl_pitti: yes, it's very long :S05:06
pittinxvl_: 'mount point in /media' should still fit, though, the dialog layout is generous05:07
nxvl_i will post the patch for glade now05:08
pitticjwatson: WDYT about http://paste.stgraber.org/1725 for bug 114296?05:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114296 in restricted-manager "running restricted-manager before installation can break system" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11429605:10
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pitticjwatson: from looking at the other install scripts this should work05:10
Mithrandirevand: do you know what the plan wrt casper and who's going to maintain it forward is going to be?05:11
Mithrandirevand: since you're our installer person, it might make sense for you to grab it.05:11
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evandMithrandir: That's not something cjwatson has discussed with me yet.  But yes, I can see how that would make sense.05:13
ograMithrandir, i do a lot suff in initramfs recently for ltsp and the classmate ... if you dont find anybody i'd volunteer since i have to fiddle with it anyway for gutsy at least05:14
StevenKpitti: notification-daemon and python-gnome2-desktop uploaded, which (when they build) takes care of 3 out of 5 of the main cruft for the libwnck transition.05:14
Mithrandirevand: I've spoken with some of the debian-live people here at debconf and it would be good if they knew who they could talk with05:14
pittiStevenK: you rock05:15
StevenKpitti: :-)05:15
evandMithrandir: I'm not sure I follow.  You're more than welcome to give them my email address if they ask.05:15
Mithrandirevand: yes, that's more or less what I was planning05:16
pittikeescook: good morning05:18
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keescookpitti: bug replies> oh no! that's no good.  when you click "save changes" do they show up in about:config05:18
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pittikeescook: trying05:19
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pittikeescook: hm, what do I have to look for?05:20
pittikeescook: I defined one new reply now, 'bzrhead', but that substring doesn't exist in the search05:20
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keescookpitti: in the about:config Filter, put in "outflux"05:24
keescookit should show a mess of greasemonkey.scriptvals.http://outflux....05:24
pittikeescook: ah, yes, it's there05:25
pittikeescook: I guess it only searches keys, not values05:25
keescookhm... afaik, that should save.  the script is just using the internal greasemonkey config settings05:25
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keescookI don't see any setting to "forget" GM config items.  so if you quit and restart firefox those disappear?05:26
pittikeescook: no, that works; but it happened twice after a reboot05:27
pittikeescook: I'll turn off my computer in a bit when I leave, and turn it on again for today's meeting; I'll check it again then, I guess05:27
keescookhow very odd!05:28
keescooksome kind of strange firefox bug?05:28
pittino idea05:28
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Hobbseepitti: i do too!  occasionally05:29
Hobbseepitti: i've gottne worse since UDS though05:29
Hobbseepitti: and i did go to work tonight, so...05:29
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Keybukit seems to blip to 100% every couple of seconds05:30
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ion_keybuk: Does top or powertop help at all?05:31
Keybukion_: not really05:31
Keybuktop show snothing05:31
Keybukpowertop says USB, i915, ipw3945, powernowd and X05:32
davmor2how can I debug nm-applet please it is core dumping05:33
pittidavmor2: feisty? gutsy?05:33
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davmor2gutsy latest update05:33
pittidavmor2: hm, do you still happen to have the feisty kernel installed?05:34
davmor2no gutsy fresh install05:34
davmor2part of iso testing05:34
pittidavmor2: unfortunately the gutsy kernel doesn't work with apport still, so you cannot use the easy way05:34
asacpitti: what are you trying to do? greasescripts?05:35
pittiasac: yes, keescook's canned replies05:35
davmor2that's what I assumed as apport has report all core dumps before05:35
pittidavmor2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash05:36
pittidavmor2: i. e. install the -dbgsym packages and run nm-applet under gdb05:36
davmor2thanks I'll check it out05:36
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pittidavmor2: I gotta go now, please email me if you have questions (or just ask here)05:36
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asackeescook: do you have a problem ... or is it just pitti whose prefs are not persistent?05:37
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ograhmm, whats up with gutsy-changes ... ?05:40
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ograany known outages ? 05:40
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nosrednaekimcould anyone point me to the source code for how synaptic does it download scripts?05:41
seb128ogra: you might want to ask on the sysadmin chan 05:47
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nxvl_can someone point me to a manual of C regexp, or field valitation in C?05:47
mvo__nosrednaekim: do bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/synaptic/synaptic--main/ and gtk/rgmainwindow.cc: RGMainWindow::cbGenerateDownloadScriptClicked05:47
keescookasac: just pitti's prefs being non-presistent across reboots (!?)05:48
nosrednaekimmvo__: ok, thanks.05:48
gesernxvl: afaik libc has only wildmat matching, if you need more you should probably look at libpcre05:50
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nxvl_geser: i only need to look if there is a / on the string05:50
gesernxvl: that should be easy, it should be doable with one of the str* functions, looking now which one05:52
geserstrchr, strrchr, strchrnul - locate character in string05:53
nxvl_geser: thnx :D05:53
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nxvl_geser: where did you get that?05:53
geserfrom man strchr :) I remembered that there is a function for it and looked for it with "apropos str"05:55
nxvl_geser: thnx i will read it :D05:56
nxvl_geser: *HUGS*05:56
geserif you need it for a wide-char string (wchar_t) than the function is wcschr05:56
seb128any REVU admin around?05:56
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keescookRiddell: xapian-core> yup, I took a bunch of notes and said "okay" to pitti.  I wish they'd clean up their code a bit more -- it was not easy to read.  I worry there may be hidden issues with some of the database formats, but it would take a great deal more time to fish those out.05:58
Hobbseeseb128: yes05:59
asackeescook: but for you it works?05:59
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seb128Hobbsee: can you remove the current gtkglext gtkglextmm gnome-build update from there? gandalfn had problem with his uploads and he can't upload again06:00
seb128the diff and dsc have been uploaded correct but the orig didn't work06:01
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keescookasac: yeah, I'm fine -- multiple reboots, firefox upgrades, etc.  perhaps I'm just lucky?06:03
Hobbseeseb128: done06:03
seb128Hobbsee: thanks06:04
Hobbseeseb128: no problem06:05
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asackeescook: i guess pitti is just doomed ... or maybe he doesn't close firefox, but just reboots/restarts X?06:08
keescookdunno. pretty odd -- he said he'd test again once he was back.06:08
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HawkeVwhat extra debug does the debug rev of the 2.6.20-15 open up?06:17
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gesermvo: [17:36:57]              -*- pitti will be back for the meeting06:23
mvothanks geser06:24
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HawkeVi see06:27
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Riddellkeescook: ok, many thanks06:29
HawkeVi guess it was a pointless question anyway, since the debug kernel doesn't boot06:30
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tarzeaudoes #ubuntu-motu not exist anymore?07:13
keescooktarzeau: I'm on that channel -- works for me.07:15
tarzeaukeescook: thanks, suddenly it worked07:19
keescookcool :)07:20
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brycein the latest xorg, Debian has added a Depends on sparc-utils, however I'm wondering if I should move that to Suggests07:41
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bryce"sparc-utils | not+sparc,"07:42
tarzeaubryce: does it not build without it on sparc?07:42
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tarzeaubryce: got a version number/src package?07:42
brycetarzeau: sparc-utils is apparently used for detecting the correct resolution on sparc07:42
tarzeaubryce: at build-depends time, for who?07:43
bryceno, it's a Depends, not a Build-Depends07:43
kylemsparc-utils | not+sparc means it is only a Depends on sparc.07:43
tarzeauah sorry misread you07:44
kylemalthough, i've never seen that syntax before.07:44
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brycekylem: so should it be okay to leave as is?07:44
HawkeVhey guys, i have a 100% reproducable kernel memory-leak on x86_64, who do i need to speak to to get some help debugging it?07:45
tarzeauHawkeV: how to reproduce?07:46
tarzeauHawkeV: which kernel version exactly?07:46
NafalloHawkeV: #ubuntu-kernel ? :-)07:46
HawkeVi can reproduce it on 2.6.17-10 and 2.6.20-1507:46
HawkeVleak starts when i invoke /etc/cron.daily/find on a system with a large xfs partition that has a lot of data on it07:47
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brycehmm, guess I'll leave it as is until I know more07:51
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aquohmm, i don't understand where is the connectiong between germinate and the iso images ...08:07
aquohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization descibes customization only08:08
aquobut i am interested how the official images are created?08:08
aquoisn't this automatized?08:08
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j1mcaquo: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.gutsy/files08:09
j1mcthat's the link you need08:09
aquoyeah, so i am able to generate package lists, but is there a way building new install media from scratch without remastering a cd image?08:10
aquoare the official images just altered old versions of themself, or are they generated from scratch?08:10
aquo-old +new08:11
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aquoi don't want to include extra packages on my cds, i want to include less.08:13
aquowhere is the automatized connection between germinate and the cd-images?08:14
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Nafalloslomo: hi :-)08:14
aquomay anybody help me?08:16
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LaserJockaquo: it will be much easier for you to customize an existing image08:18
LaserJockaquo: but you can check the code at https://code.launchpad.net/debian-cd/08:19
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aquoLaserJock: Yes, but that is not the scripts that are used for Ubuntu, there must be modifications08:39
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Keybukaquo: generated from scratch each time, iirc08:45
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aquoKeybuk; how, where is the documentation?08:49
Keybukaquo: wiki.ubuntu.com, look under generating custom CD images08:51
aquono, that is just an description how to modify existing images.08:53
Keybukif you want to make an image from scratch, you want "debootstrap"08:53
aquoi doubt that the official images are generated this way.08:53
Keybukto generate CD lists from seeds, use germinate08:53
Keybukerr, why?08:53
aquothey take the old images and modify them?08:53
Keybukwhy not?08:54
Keybukgerminate generates package lists that you can feed into apt08:54
Keybukgerminate also generates the lists that mean the original debootstrap works08:54
aquoi managed the germinate part already ...08:55
Keybukso you just debootstrap a chroot, and then apt install the germinate lists you want08:55
Keybuk(I think debian-cd uses dpkg --set-selections/dselect for hysterical reasons, I'm not sure)08:55
aquoi just don't now to come from the lists to the cds ...08:55
Keybukyou'll have a chroot08:55
Keybukin that chroot will be an installed filesystem08:55
Keybukso just mksquashfs that and drop it into a CD, following the customisation howto bit08:55
aquodebian-cd package in baazar look like to be customized for etch, not for ubuntu08:56
Keybukif you change the kernel, see the appropriate bit of that doc08:56
KeybukI don't really understand what else you're looking for08:57
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aquoi really would like to see the exact script that are used to build the official images.08:57
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Keybukyou're assuming there is one08:57
LaserJockaquo: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/08:57
TheInfinityhmm ... has somebody here the patched pam_foreground.so: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-foreground/+bug/76364 ?08:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 76364 in libpam-foreground "authdaemond: dlerror: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so: undefined symbol: pam_set_data" [Undecided,Confirmed]  08:58
LaserJockaquo: I doubt you'll find a ton useful in there, but there it is08:58
Keybukiirc, there's just a bunch of random scripts that work together08:58
aquoKeybuk: have you ever build a image?08:58
Keybukaquo: yeah, loads of times; you just run the appropriate bit depending what change you made08:58
aquoyeah, but the changes won't be simply adding this or that package ...08:59
aquomy changes will change the install media in the amount xubuntu differs from ubuntu08:59
Keybukright, and xubuntu has a whole different script there, iirc09:01
LaserJockaquo: grab the bzr branch for ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd from cjwatson 09:01
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Keybukaquo: we really don't have a "make-me-a-cd-image -r xubuntu -l package-list" type script09:01
Keybukthere are plenty of community ones like that, but they're not "official"09:02
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aquoi first want to remaster just the offfical ubuntu images, for gaining knowledge how to do it ...09:02
Keybuksure, so see that customisation howto09:02
aquothe documentation for this seem spread all over the net09:02
Keybukthat tells you how to get an image, change bits of it, and then make a new one09:03
wolfeonaquo: that would be fun :)09:03
Keybukaquo: remember that Ubuntu never started from scratch09:03
aquoyes, but i don't wan't to change anything, i want to build the images from scratch09:03
Keybukwe started from Debian09:03
Keybukso we've never *had* to build things from scratch ;)09:03
wolfeonis there a link I missed?09:03
wolfeonI need to do it too.. since I need to build a custom iso for a business  :)09:04
LaserJockaquo: get http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/09:04
Keybukto do it from scratch, you want debootstrap, germinate, debian-cd and ubuntu-cdimage09:04
Keybukthere are far better community things to do this than we use :p09:04
LaserJockaquo: but seriously, you will mostly likey want to rebuild an existing image09:04
LaserJockthe LiveCD is relatively easy to modify09:05
aquoseriously, i don't want, because with this approach my changes will be valid for one branch (feisty) only09:05
wolfeonthe live cd just copies a base right? not debs and unpacking?09:06
LaserJockso you can just unpack the squashfs, do your modifications, and pack it back up. there are some additional things you need to do to get things installed right, but there is documentation for that09:07
aquoyes, and i want to exclude lots of packages, and packages that depend on them ...09:07
LaserJockthat's no problem09:08
wolfeonerrrr, where are fixes uploaded once a bug is fixed?09:08
wolfeonvia launchpad09:09
LaserJockit depends09:09
LaserJockif it's a fix in gutsy we just upload to gutsy09:09
wolfeonLaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/11295509:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112955 in vino "vino (vnc) keyboard mapping problem" [Low,Fix committed]  09:10
LaserJockif it's for a stable release (i.e. Feisty, Edgy, etc.) then it goes through a Stable Release Update procedure09:10
wolfeonright, where is the repos for the Feisty test updates? :)09:10
LaserJockthose are -proposed09:10
LaserJockwolfeon: but that bug will presumably be included in the next Gnome release in gutsy09:11
LaserJock*bug fix09:11
wolfeonwell its an embarrassig bug.. I'm converting a business to use Ubuntu.. :))09:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115655 in python-fam "using PyMem_DEL() instead of PyObject_FREE() causes python 2.5 to double free or corrupt" [Medium,Confirmed]  09:11
wolfeonI'm confused, how come my fix has not been sent to proposed?09:12
wolfeonfor feisty09:12
wolfeonits easy to load the package on my feisty servers, but what if I need people to use it on a stock feisty? :)09:12
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LaserJockwolfeon: it has been marked as "Incomplete" until the fix has entered gutsy09:13
wolfeonpitti: poke :)09:13
wolfeonLaserJock: o?09:13
LaserJockthe last comment09:13
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pittiwolfeon: hi09:13
wolfeono :) guess one can't rush things, heh.09:13
wolfeonI never did talk with upstream, does that mean after gutsy they will take debian's package again with the bug?09:14
wolfeonits also broken in debian still, heh.09:14
pittikeescook: hm, this time it didn't forget my bug responses; maybe a weird interaction with the LP update, or cosmic rays, or so09:16
LaserJockwolfeon: if you don't talk to upstream or Debian, then it does have a fair chance of not getting fixed there :-)09:16
LaserJockwolfeon: you should push to get your fix into gutsy09:16
LaserJockthen you can do the SRU to get it into Feisty09:17
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wolfeonLaserJock: there is a fix attached to the bug, how do I get it sent to gutsy?09:21
keescookpitti: yeah, no sure, it's kind of out of my script's control -- it's all up to GM to do the right thing.  hmpf09:22
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LaserJockwolfeon: the package is in Universe so you should subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team so they can sponsor the upload09:22
wolfeonall this just to get a small bug fixed :/09:23
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LaserJockwell, it could be worse I suppose09:31
LaserJockit's a matter of letting the right people know so they can upload your fixes09:32
LaserJockwe have thousands of small bugs09:32
wolfeonyeah :/09:32
wolfeonback to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/11295509:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112955 in vino "vino (vnc) keyboard mapping problem" [Low,Fix committed]  09:32
wolfeonlooking at "source package in ubuntu" it says "Initially uploaded to Ubuntu gutsy" does this mean it was *not* fixed in feisty?09:33
pittiis it only me, or do other people get weird rejection mails for gutsy-changes@ as well?09:33
Keybukusual practice is to *not* apply fixes to released distributions09:34
Keybukfeisty is as feisty was when feisty released09:34
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Keybukthat is, for us, what release means09:34
wolfeonif it was not fixed in feisty.. then VINO is broken on EVERY ubuntu desktop09:34
Keybukwe make exceptions for security fixes or other critical bug fixes09:34
wolfeonKeybuk: Wouldn't that bug be critical? since it doesn't map correctly on any 7.04 install?09:35
Keybukso what happens there is a fix is prepared and tested, and normally uploaded to gutsy first09:35
Keybukthe patch for the fix is then applied to the feisty package, and built09:35
wolfeonit was marked fixed, so nobody will pay any attention to it :)09:35
Keybukif successful, that is uploaded to the feisty-proposed distribution and tested there for several days09:35
wolfeonthen I better open the bug back up and mark it separately gutsy and feisty?09:35
Keybukand if it fixes the problem, and causes new ones, then it is uploaded to feisty-updates09:35
Keybukwolfeon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates09:36
Keybukwolfeon: especially see "Propose" :)09:36
geserpitti: I've also seen two rejections mails on the motu ML09:37
Keybuksince this fix has apparently occurred in GNOME, you may find it easier to get one of the developers participating in that bug to propose it for an SRU09:37
Keybuk(funny story...09:38
Keybuk someone asked me once why, after releasing edgy, we didn't fix bugs in it, and improve it further09:38
Keybuk I pointed out that we did, and just called it "feisty")09:38
wolfeonwell I want a stable version of software with fixes :P Else I'd have gone the unstable path a long time ago, heh.09:39
pittigeser: last mail on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/thread.html is from last night, that's suspicious09:41
Keybukwolfeon: what do you mean by "stable" ?09:42
wolfeonKeybuk: how can you tell which subscribers are developers in the bug list?09:42
wolfeonKeybuk: stable, just the same software which fixes are being made.09:42
geserpitti: do you know who admins the gutsy-changes ML and where the admins can be found?09:43
pittigeser: I just asked cprov09:44
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Keybukwolfeon: ask on the bug list :)09:44
Keybukor click on their names, and see which teams they are members of09:44
Keybukwolfeon: what if the bug fix *is* the new version of the software? :p09:45
zasfpitti: about your last email, if you pulled the entire branch, I guess it wasn't mirrored yet09:45
Keybukwolfeon: I mean that the other way around, obviously, but the point remains09:45
pittizasf: right09:45
zasfpitti: it normally takes a while, you should pull directly from my server09:45
pittizasf: btw, any reason why you don't push to LP directly?09:45
wolfeonKeybuk: sorry, I just dont use launchpad all that often. If I attach a comment, it gets pushed to some list like a forum or mailing list?09:45
pittizasf: ok, will switch to your URL then09:45
zasfI don't have rights :D09:46
Keybukwolfeon: it gets mailed to the people subscribed, yes09:46
wolfeonKeybuk: o, right :)09:46
zasfor maybe now that I joined the bugsquad maybe I have09:46
wolfeonjust flog me. I need more coffee.09:46
zasfit would be helpful to know that from an experienced person here09:47
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zasfpitti: UnlockableTransport: Cannot lock: transport is read only09:48
pittizasf: with sftp://?09:49
TheInfinityhmm ... is somebody with an 64 bit processor here who can compile https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-foreground/+bug/76364 ?09:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 76364 in libpam-foreground "authdaemond: dlerror: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so: undefined symbol: pam_set_data" [Undecided,Confirmed]  09:49
pittizasf: probably because it is a mirrored branch09:49
TheInfinitythis bug is since 6 month not fixed :(09:49
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keescookTheInfinity: why do you need an amd64 for that?09:51
keescook(i mean, it looks like a generic build problem)09:51
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TheInfinitybecause i have exacly this problem on an 64 bit server09:52
TheInfinityand i have no compile maschine - and the other users will kill me if i compile on this server ;)09:52
keescookheh, I will poke at it.09:52
zasfpitti: hum with sftp it goes one step further: Permission denied (publickey).09:52
zasfpitti: I'll set a key and see if taht is the problem09:52
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pittizasf: yes, you need to register a gpg key in LP for this to work09:53
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zasfpitti: nice, I'll do it soon09:53
TheInfinitykeescook: this means ... ? ;)09:54
keescookTheInfinity: I'll try to get it built, I mean.  :)09:54
TheInfinityokay ... thanks :)09:54
mrsn0TheInfinity with some instructions explaining how i can compile on gutsy 64 here if you like :)09:54
TheInfinityi dont know gutsy at all ;)09:55
mrsn0well feisty/gutsy whatever really09:55
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wolfeonKeybuk: I'm thankful I saved the instructions on updating a package from last bug. its just a deleteion of 3 lines of code :)09:55
mrsn0i have both in a vm09:55
wolfeon I'll just sent a patch to the bug tracker, heh.09:56
TheInfinityand: i am not that good in compiling and so on - but in this case i am not even ablte to try it ;)09:56
keescookKeybuk: do you know off-hand if libpam-foreground is actually an ubuntu-native package?  the changelog is not sane, especially when compared against the debian changelog.09:57
TheInfinitydebian has libpam-foreground 0.2 ...09:57
Keybukkeescook: I think it probably was at one point09:57
TheInfinity<-- has also watched debian pakages ;)09:57
mrsn0TheInfinity thats quite a conundrum then :p09:58
keescookKeybuk: I'm going to switch it to 0.3-0ubuntu1, is that sane?09:58
KeybukI don't see why not09:59
pittikeescook: it would be even better to get 0.3 into Debian; 0.2 doesn't work well...09:59
keescookpitti: sounds right, the orig split would be the first step09:59
dholbachpitti, keescook: do you want a MIR for a cursor theme?10:06
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pittidholbach: I'm fine with a quick package review and handling this without much fuss10:06
pittiMIRs are not really for packages which only ship five pngs...10:06
dholbachdmz-cursor-theme would be the package - I'd like to replace human-cursors-theme10:06
pittidholbach: please send me a tiny mail about it for me to not forget10:09
dholbachpitti: sure will - thanks a lot10:10
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keescookzomg pwnage via PNG!  ;)10:12
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dholbachmuuhuhahahaha :)10:14
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pittikeescook: mentally 0wned is not that far-fetched; just check out http://www.schaf.de/gal/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=30346&g2_serialNumber=2 :)10:20
pitti(and no, it's *not* an animated gif :) )10:21
keescookthat's nice, I hadn't seen that one before.  :)10:21
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pittikeescook: show this to anyone, and he'll tell you every password he knows10:22
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dholbachKeybuk: how did you fix that terminal shortcut? it's not in my shortcut capplet anymore10:29
Keybukdholbach: gconf-editor10:35
Keybukdholbach: /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/command_terminal10:35
KeybukI set it to "gnome-terminal"10:35
dholbachit's set to gnome-terminal already10:35
LaserJockpitti: gaaaah, you're going to make my brain explode :-)10:35
pittiLaserJock: do I?10:35
LaserJockpitti: that pick is very troublesome to the mind ;-)10:35
pittiLaserJock: MUHAHA PWNED10:35
Keybukdholbach: oh, that made my key work10:35
Keybukit works now10:35
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Keybukare you using today's compiz with the ccsmpthingy backend10:35
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Keybukor last week's with gconf backend?10:35
dholbachI'm up to date10:35
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mvodholbach: lets debug it tomorrow together :)10:35
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xxxxx1how can i silence console startup messages like is in the installer?10:38
xxxxx1for example..10:38
xxxxx1* Starting x... y... z...10:38
xxxxx1just show the kernel Booting message and later the login10:39
pittishawarma: so, about bug #119075: did you get a response from Sean or Christian already?10:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119075 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "Root password policy for mysql" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11907510:40
pittishawarma: I would really like to find a design that suits both Debian and us10:40
shawarmapitti: As i mentioned in the flood, I haven't had a chance to ask them yet. I didn't know it had been milestoned.10:40
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shawarmapitti: I was planning on doing it tomorrow or start of next week, actually.10:41
pittishawarma: right, no problem; how do you think we should fix this? 10:41
shawarmapitti: Ideally get MySQL to just grant full privs to a user with euid 0.10:41
shawarmapitti: And then remove the debian-sys-maint user.10:42
pittishawarma: right, that's what I prefer as well10:42
shawarmapitti: I'll see if I can strike up a conversation with a MySQL dev tomorrow?10:42
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shawarmapitti: That would be the coolest way around it, I think.10:42
pittishawarma: I suggest a bug report10:42
ograi dont actually know any mysql user who actually uses debian-sys-maint10:43
pittishawarma: so far my experience with mysql bugs has been relatively good, especially if it is raised upstream as well10:43
shawarmapitti: It's likely to be rejected on grounds of "we already have a documented way of resetting the password".10:43
shawarmaogra: Every user who ever shuts down his mysql server. Ever. :)10:43
pittishawarma: well, a pretty braindead one10:43
ograshawarma, oh10:43
shawarmapitti: Well, it's worth a try. I'll file a report about it tomorrow.10:44
shawarmaogra: But not directly, no.10:44
shawarmaogra: It's also used for /etc/init.d/mysql status10:44
keescookshawarma, pitti: looks like I can't just put xmms into flac -- it needs the whole library and "xmms-config" programs to compile.10:44
pittishawarma: hm, if you are concerned about Christian defending debian-sys-maint, then start it with upstream right away :)10:44
shawarmakeescook: Yes, I found that out too :)10:44
pittishawarma: however, Christian is pretty sane, and since this d-sys-maint is such an obvious and blunt hack, I hope he'll agree to that solution, too10:44
pittikeescook: erk10:45
ograshawarma, ah, i didnt know that10:45
keescookso, I think our only option is to cripple it.  if someone wants to build a flac-universe package, that's the only way I see this going.10:45
pittikeescook: I didnt' follow that, why does flac need xmms? shouldn't it be the other way ronud?10:45
keescookthe xmms-flac module is built in the flac source tree.10:45
keescookI tried hauling it into the xmms tree, but it was non-trivial, and I didn't feel comfortable blowing a whole bunch of time on it, since it's a universe package.10:46
pittikeescook: hm, but putting xmms code into the flac source sounds sooo wrong...10:47
keescookright, that won't fly at all.  I was hoping it was just going to be headers10:47
keescookbut, it's much deeper than that.10:47
pittikeescook: then it would be better to move that stuff into the xmms source, right?10:48
pittikeescook: anyway, maybe xmms2 has this solved more elegantly10:48
pittikeescook: if you need it for playing around, I can NEW it, it should be good now10:48
keescookI haven't looked at xmms2 yet.  should I really spend time getting the flac module into the xmms package, especially since upstream devel is dead?10:49
ogranot really ... its sad to cripple it but its likely to die anyway10:49
keescookogra: do you use xmms with flac support?  I personally don't.10:49
pittikeescook: no, please don't waste time on that10:50
ograupstream is always a great excuse10:50
pittiogra: what about xmms2?10:50
ograno, i dont but xmms is still one of the most popular players10:50
ograpitti, i'm RB user :) 10:50
pittiogra: so am I10:50
ograbut many edubuntu users prefer xmms because its a low ressource thing10:50
keescookyeah, I still use it too.  :P10:51
keescookIt seems that the popcon voting for "xmms-flac" isn't sane10:51
keescookit reads out at "0" but I can't believe it.10:51
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pittikeescook: ^10:53
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ograi'd fear MrHide here 10:53
ograor was it Hyde ?10:54
keescookokay, good, we can point people at xmms2, then, I guess.10:54
Keybukor a media player for grown-ups10:55
keescookKeybuk: heh. :)10:55
ografor pairs10:55
pittiKeybuk: if there is an accident in the archive and xmms inadvertedly *cough* gets kicked off the archive, can I blame cprov?10:56
pitti(the stories about years-old unfixed security holes are scary...)10:56
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shawarmaWe can just remove xmms and put it a picture of xmms instead, file a bug about "XMMS ui un-responsive" and mark every other xmms bug a duplicate of that one.10:57
shawarma2. ?10:57
mdke_very clever10:57
shawarma3. Profit!10:57
mdke_can we have a list going of apps to do that to?10:58
shawarmaThey'll never know. :)10:58
shawarmamdke_: What else do you feel like getting rid of? :)10:58
Burgundavia<troll> KDE-* </troll>10:58
pittishawarma: OO.o *duck*10:58
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shawarmaThat will free up *LOADS* of space on the LiveCD as well.10:59
pittishawarma: well, it's unresponsive enough already *ducking even lower*10:59
shawarmapitti: LOL10:59
ajmitchBurgundavia: too obvious10:59
Burgundaviaajmitch: I just woke up11:00
shawarmaBurgundavia: That's what they all say.11:00
Burgundaviawell, at least it was on purpose11:01
keescookokay, xmms-dev removed from flac.11:01
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pittikeescook: great; really this sounds a bit like glibc: Build-Depends: firefox11:03
Keybukmdke_: nobody would notice11:03
ion_pitti: :-D11:04
shawarmaBurgundavia: :)11:04
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ograbah, lamers ... firefox ... openoffice ... tsk11:05
ogratake GDM !11:05
ograthat solves it one and for all11:05
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keescookpitti: agh! I keep alt-tabbing through my firefox windows and getting my eyes freaked out by that image.  I need to close that tab.  ;)11:06
zasfpitti:good night everybody11:07
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zasfgood night everybody11:07
pittibye zasf 11:07
keescookbryce: where is the amd driver thingy you mentioned?11:07
brycekeescook, http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/11:07
brycesorry, I'd assumed there was a link in the email11:08
pittikeescook: I told you -- security vulns in images :)11:09
bryceI'm hoping to have all the x drivers updated for tribe2... just a few left to go11:10
ograany chance for openchrome ? 11:10
nxvlwich package contains glibc.h?11:11
keescookbryce: so this amd driver is not in Debian yet?11:11
brycekeescook, not yet11:11
brycekeescook, I emailed the packager to ask for an eta on when it'll appear in debian, but no response11:11
bryce(or maybe response never made it through spam filter... ;-)11:12
bryceogra: yes, let me look11:12
keescookDate: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:15:42 +030011:12
keescookThe package is now sitting in NEW.11:12
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ubotuDebian bug 400748 in wnpp "RFP: xserver-xorg-video-amd -- X.org X server -- AMD Geode GX/LX display driver" [Wishlist,Open]  11:12
keescookbryce: and this line is right?11:13
keescook+Provides: xserver-xorg-video-1.011:13
keescookI know there were ubuntu-specific changes for this stuff in other video drivers11:13
pittiRiddell: libept/sparc failed with a bus error, ominous; did you see this before? shall I try a give-back?11:14
bryceyep, that's there so binary l-r-m drivers, etc. can let X know that the video driver requirement is satisfied11:14
keescookokay, but the -1.0 vs no suffix is correct?  (i.e. the changelog mentions changing this around)11:14
brycehmm, I've never seen -1.0 appended there11:15
keescookpitti: how do I snag a dsc/orig/etc out of debian's NEW?  the new list is just an HTML report, and I can't find it in the pools11:17
pittikeescook: there's no public way to do that AFAIK11:17
pittikeescook: pinging Joerg in #debian-devel or so :)11:17
pittikeescook: TBH I was a bit nervous about publishing our source NEW queue, too11:18
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pittiafter all, that might be stuff that is not redistributable, so it shouldn't be too official11:18
keescookbryce: cool, once you get the Provides: line sorted out, just point me at your resulting -amd package.11:18
pittixmms2 binary-NEWed (phew), so have fun playing around with it11:19
keescookpitti: cool.  I will let ogra investigate xmms2.  :)11:19
ogragah ... i talk to much ... voluntold again ...11:20
shawarmapitti: Mysql bug 2928711:21
bryceogra, the -via driver is already on my todo list; is a new -unichrome driver also needed?11:22
shawarmapitti: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=2928711:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 29287 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "Fails to clone display to external video (dup-of: 36768)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2928711:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 36768 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[dapper]  Cannot switch external vga-out / LCD" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3676811:22
ograbryce, no, only the yet unpackaged openchrome 11:22
pittiRiddell: ah, libept is in binary NEW11:22
pittiRiddell: that explains a lot :)11:22
shawarmaubotu: No, I was talking about an *upstream* bug. Sheesh!11:22
pittiRiddell: given-back on sparc, let's cross fingers11:23
keescookokay, kdeutils uploaded to drop xmms-dev.  that's it, afaik.11:24
bryceogra, oh, the openchrome driver that doesn't have a package?  hrm11:24
keescookwith xmms out and evms out, gtk1 can go too11:24
bryceogra, well not likely to be done by tribe2... but I'll put it on my todo list to look into it11:24
ograbryce, i dont care about tribes :)11:24
ograonly about final :)11:24
pittishawarma: thanks, sounds good11:25
pitti-- gutsy/main build deps on libgtk1.2-dev:11:25
pittikeescook: ^11:25
shawarmaWe'll see where it goes. I took a quick peek at the mysql code, and although my C++-fu is weak, it didn't look entire unmanageable.11:25
keescookpitti: oh dang.11:26
pittigosh, not having -changes is really awkward11:26
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ograKeybuk, any chance for initramfs-tools 0.88 before tribe2 ? 11:27
Keybukwhat do you want in 0.88?11:28
ografixed netbooting11:28
ograoption root-path ""; doesnt work for us11:28
KeybukI see11:28
ograoption root-path "/opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386"; does 11:28
ogra0.88 has a fix for that11:28
Keybukand why doesn't it work for you?11:28
Keybukerr, we're upstream for initramfs-tools11:29
ograbecause the variable handling in the nfsroot script is broken11:29
ograwell the fix is in debian11:29
Keybukso it needs a merge?11:29
ograi can move it over indeed11:29
Keybukthat seems like the best plan, if you've already found the fix11:29
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Keybukpatch is your friend ;)11:29
ogra<-- was lazy waiting for a merge :)11:29
Keybukinitramfs-tools rarely gets merged11:29
ograoki, i'll fix it then :)11:30
ograwell mom lists it11:30
Keybukwe tend to leave it alone unless we either want something from Debian, or Jeff has a lazy day11:30
pittiRiddell: libept failed again on sparc11:32
pittiRiddell: it's a bit awkward to binary-NEW stuff that's FTBFS on some arches, but I'll do it anyway since it blocks you11:32
pittikeescook: libdv> for libdv-bin, I suppose? some GUI frontend11:34
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keescooklet's make it non-responsive :)11:35
pittikeescook: libdv-bin is in universe, though, so if they still didn't port it to gtk2, we could just drop -bin, or ./configure --without-gtk or so11:35
pitti-- gutsy/main build deps on libsmpeg-dev:11:36
pittijust one11:36
keescookwhere are you getting the dep output from?11:37
pittikeescook: checkrdepends11:37
pittikeescook: conveniently runnable on rookery (it has a local mirror)11:37
pittikeescook: did you already fix 11:38
pitti-- gutsy/main build deps on xmms-dev:11:38
pitti(it has flac, too, but you did that already, AFAIUI)11:38
pittikeescook: cool11:38
pittikeescook: so tomorrow xmms should be in anastacia11:38
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keescookI'm bummed about gtk1.2 -- I thought evms and xmms were it.  s'okay.11:39
pittiRiddell: ept NEWed, so debtags should build everywhere except on sparc; can you please look into the sparc ftbfs for libept?11:41
brycekeescook, ok it looks like xserver-xorg-video-1.0 is valid:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/x11/xserver-xorg.  Also I found that -i810 and -unichrome provide xserver-xorg-video-1.011:42
keescookbryce: ah! very good. then I'll just upload it as-is.11:43
bryceyay, another one down.  Now back to -nv.11:44
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keescookbryce: whoa, is this an i386-only driver?11:49
keescookit fails on all but i38611:50
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bryceI think the amd video is an onboard chip for amd mboards11:50
brycelemme doublecheck...11:51
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keescookthat's going to keep it out of Debian; I adjusted the control file to build only on i38611:54
brycekees, yeah - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_(processor) x86 only11:54
wasabiUm... any idea how to add static routes with network manager?11:56
wasabiguess it doesn't support that. =/11:56
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