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#ubuntu-meeting === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:23] @schedule shanghai [04:23] Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 22 Jun 02:00: Mozilla Team | 22 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 23:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 04:00: Xubuntu Developers === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:25] @schedule sydney [04:25] Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 22 Jun 04:00: Mozilla Team | 22 Jun 06:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jun 06:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 27 Jun 01:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 06:00: Xubuntu Developers [04:26] @schedule manila [04:26] Schedule for Asia/Manila: 22 Jun 02:00: Mozilla Team | 22 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jun 04:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 23:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 04:00: Xubuntu Developers [04:27] Hobbsee: i thought you were in Perth? [04:28] jsgotangco: ....nope [04:28] jsgotangco: i've never been to perth === jsgotangco wonders who was the one he has been talking to from perth *snicker* === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:32] not sure. === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6739D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A66781.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A66781.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=jack@p508D8554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === greg_g_ [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === greg_g__ [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:01] @schedule New_York [05:01] Schedule for America/New_York: 21 Jun 14:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers [05:03] Are we having this today? [05:03] @schedule Zurich [05:03] Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers === greg_g_ [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["later] === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66523.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.44] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [i=doko@conference/debconf/x-c6257f8fdf1e923d] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === laga [n=laga@mythwiki.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.99.167] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:37] @schedule montreal [05:37] Schedule for America/Montreal: 21 Jun 14:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.99.167] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A651BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A645DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:55] @schedule copenhagen [05:55] Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers [05:56] @schedule berlin [05:56] Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers [05:56] duh, i feel stupid now [05:59] ;-) === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.44] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === wmagliano [n=User@200.85.60.46] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:28] hola [06:29] alguien "habla" espaol? === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] [06:31] wmagliano: yo, pero mejor pregunta en #ubuntu-es === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67DD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A669A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:40] :D gracias === wmagliano [n=User@200.85.60.46] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A6792C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JenFraggle [n=jen@host217-43-183-130.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [i=doko@conference/debconf/x-b20c830e5a8d5de6] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Mozilla Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 21 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers === ace_suares [n=ace@fupi.suares.an] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:59] hi [08:00] hello [08:00] hi all :) [08:02] if you attend please add your name to the Wiki :) [08:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings [08:02] gnomefreak: yt? === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:04] sorry I can't stay people [08:05] done [08:06] cool ... lets wait another minute for gnomefreak ... who was pretty sure to be here ;) [08:06] ok === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.44] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:08] no worries === Admiral_Chicago afk. [08:08] have a good meeting everyone, feel free to sign up JenFraggle for everything [08:09] Admiral_Chicago: bye [08:09] bye bye === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:11] gnomefreak: 2 min :) === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-116-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:14] @schedules lisbon === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:15] ok so lets get started ;) [08:15] ok [08:15] we actually have a pretty long agenda for so little people in here ;) [08:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings [08:16] be gentle, it's my first time [08:16] JenFraggle: don't worry ;) [08:16] hjmf: you there? [08:16] yes [08:17] so ... first item would be: Mozilla Testing Team [08:17] apparently this item was pushed back from last meeting. [08:18] I think the idea was to better organize testing === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387EC3D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:18] is gnomefreak around? [08:18] and try to get people that could do that regularly closer to mozillateam [08:18] gnomefreak: apparently not [08:18] hjmf: ^^^ [08:19] i think we can skip directly to the tag review stuff ... which would involve bughelper clues and bug triagers :) [08:19] yes [08:19] ok [08:20] anyway ... just a few more words for the mozilla testing team [08:20] i think we should try to get the qa-team involved for that ... and setup something like a testplan [08:21] like currently exists for isotesting: [08:21] https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ [08:21] then we could post that to the qateam and receive feeback from them [08:22] yes it would be good to have some sort of organized & directed tests [08:22] its most important to track regressions for security/stability updates that go to stable release archives [08:22] with almost no testing atm [08:23] I imagine that those testers will go through the mt-needtest and mt-needtester bugs [08:23] too [08:24] hjmf: right ... but i think those are two distinct effords [08:24] what are they testing? [08:24] 1. ensure short term quality (e.g. hard regressions in uploads) [08:24] 2. ensure long term quality (e.g. try to reproduce et al) [08:24] JenFraggle: for 2. they are trying to reproduce bugs that are tagges as mt-needtester [08:25] for 1. we have to setup kind of a testplan to verify the most important features [08:25] i have setup something on the wiki [08:25] give me a few minutes sorry im running late [08:25] gnomefreak: hi :) [08:25] hi [08:25] hello [08:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA?highlight=%28mozillateam%29 [08:25] thats the testplan we currently have === finalbeta_ [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:26] to test if there are hard regressions directly before a release [08:26] imo we should split this up in 3-4 subtasks which will then can be tested and reviews submitted to something that is like current isotesting site (https://isotesting.stgraber.org) [08:26] so finally are we going to create a dedicated lp bug, or will it be more infomal? [08:27] hjmf: for what? [08:27] for testers [08:27] ah ... to announce that there is such a task available? [08:27] yes, that might an incentive [08:27] not sure [08:28] that is how i came across you, the firefox clue bug [08:28] hjmf: i think we should maintain existing tasks on a wiki page ... and have *one* generic bug titled 'various things todo in mozillateam' bug or something ;) [08:28] JenFraggle: what did attract you on that bug? [08:29] JenFraggle: how did you find it? [08:29] do you still remeember [08:29] i'll have a think [08:30] where are we? [08:30] gnomefreak: first point [08:30] testing team [08:30] read history ... i outlined the idea and what i think is the right way to go [08:30] ah good. ISO testing? [08:30] think it was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mentoring [08:30] the idea is to get something up which more or less like the isotesting site [08:30] asac: im ok with the idea [08:30] not 100% sure though [08:31] you mean your points 1-5 [08:31] maybe a new menu item on that site: "firefox" :) [08:31] JenFraggle: so you think its better to have many bugs with mentoring that outline each single task available [08:31] oh set up like the iso tester site [08:32] JenFraggle: ... or a single one that just points to a page that contains current tasks? [08:32] gnomefreak: yes look at it [08:32] https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ [08:32] not sure, i can see advantages and disadvantages to both [08:32] i have it === stgraber should turn off hilight on stgraber.org subdomains :) [08:33] stgraber: did you develop that site? [08:33] yes [08:33] stgraber: how much work to add another menu item like: mozilla or firefox ? [08:33] gonna be hard since its named ISo testing? [08:34] i think the important thing would be to have a good description as that is what gets people to look further at the bug [08:34] i will talk with heno anyway, just to know about the extent of making this a more general, test-collaboration page [08:34] gnomefreak: the idea is to make something more general out of the isotesting site ... maybe different subdomains for other things. [08:34] k [08:35] asac: We now have some ISO specific part, but it should be possible to use the existing way of testing ISO to test software, replacing ISOs by Softwares and then use the existing testcase system [08:35] asac: it shouldn't be a lot of work === gnomefreak likes it [08:35] stgraber: thats cool ... i will discuss things with heno [08:36] meanwhile we can do the bug with task to test idea === ace_suares [n=ace@fupi.suares.an] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:36] task/tasks [08:36] hjmf: right [08:37] is the plan to keep this inside mozillateam as is? [08:37] hjmf: i think we should have one open for "testcase verifier" [08:37] pointing them to the mt-needtester tag [08:37] and "testcase digger" ... people that hunt mt-needtestcase bugs to either produce a testcase or die [08:37] ok for me [08:38] ok ACTION: i will talk to heno how we can organize upload testing [08:38] anyone wants to open those bugs :) [08:38] ok ... i think i will do it too :) [08:38] next item [08:38] gnomefreak: ?? [08:39] huh oh sorry [08:39] someone called ops [08:39] gnomefreak: your agenda item: 'Ubuntu Forums' :) [08:39] I would like a couple of people to add forums to their jobs, I will go through the process im thinking about (this could be the start of a wider testing base). [08:40] k sounds related to the previous item ... but more specific: how can we get the forum involved in testing [08:40] ok i have a template of a post for ubuntu forums i will pastebin it in a few moments [08:41] here again, i think that heno wanted to establish a forum sub-community that is dedicated to help us with QA [08:41] the reasoning is to get people instrested in the team (jobs that need people to help out with, and so on). brb gonna post letter that i need ideas on [08:41] ok [08:42] http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/581823 this should explain better, it is open for ideas that were missed [08:43] any questions/idea shoot when you have time if you think its something that needs to be addressed now shoot [08:44] gnomefreak: actually i think that this would be a good text for the META job bug [08:44] asac: you want the meta bug added to this? [08:44] you can add it to some forum ... and get it sticky as well ... but maybe ask pricechild or other forum staff what would be the most appropriate way to make forum users aware of this [08:44] gnomefreak: i want a meta bug that summarized tasks we have atm [08:45] asac: already done just waiting on a link to give him [08:45] asac: only one task though i thought [08:45] metabug maintainence [08:45] gnomefreak: yes ... have one bug for each task, plus one general bug 'various tasks to do in mozilla-team' [08:46] hmmmm [08:46] gnomefreak: ok ... so this is already posted to forum? [08:46] asac: unless its missing anything somepne sees [08:47] someone [08:47] gnomefreak: yeah if you cut line lines and remove ***** [08:47] lines :) [08:47] then it looks good [08:47] lol [08:48] gnomefreak: please post a bug about this as well [08:48] its there to remind me [08:48] k remind me after meeting [08:48] gnomefreak: i am not really sure where to post, but thats your job to figure out :) [08:48] JenFraggle: hjmf anything? [08:48] gnomefreak: please add to wiki page as "decision" :) [08:48] to me looks good [08:48] asac: i already have it taken care of :) [08:49] gnomefreak: ok [08:49] ok next item? [08:49] however wait to post till the metabug is done [08:49] If possible i would like to either accept or decline the proposed memberships [WWW] Proposed Members [08:49] or you can edit it later? [08:49] gnomefreak: ok [08:49] hjmf: yeah please post the metabug :) [08:49] gnomefreak: i mean ;) [08:50] ok next item is: If possible i would like to either accept or decline the proposed memberships [WWW] Proposed Members [08:50] there aren't proposed members [08:50] done already [08:50] ah [08:50] gnomefreak: ah ;) [08:50] hjmf: i already got there.] [08:50] but [08:50] next item ... wiki cleanup ;) [08:50] we have alot of members that since accepted havent done anything [08:50] JenFraggle: have you read the wiki recently [08:50] JenFraggle: what are your comments? [08:50] gnomefreak: yes [08:50] asac: give me a minute to type im still a bit shakey [08:51] maybe we should remove some [08:51] gnomefreak: maybe post after the meeting [08:51] gnomefreak: when there is no hurry [08:51] hjmf: i was thinking that wanted to pass it here [08:51] hjmf: from the team? [08:51] asac: yes [08:51] yes [08:51] yeah ... how to remove ... what procedure to follow? [08:51] "click deactivate" [08:51] no activity for 3 month without any notice, that one is on holiday or seomthgin? [08:51] :) [08:51] some haven't done anything [08:51] asac: I've been having a look through and am thinking of what could be changed to be more newbie friendly. haven't had as much time as i would like to look at it at the moment === geser [i=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:52] asac: im more concerned about the people we accepted that havent done anything [08:52] JenFraggle: you think you can give us some comments on mailing list? [08:52] some accepted at the creation of the group that never appeared [08:52] JenFraggle: unless you have some initial comments at hand now :) ... then go ahead ;) [08:53] hjmf: yeah ... lets drop them [08:53] the states and tags pages need an update [08:53] gnomefreak: can you do? [08:53] yes [08:53] asac: nothing to hand at the moment, still in the reading through and thinking of what needs to be changed stage [08:53] JenFraggle: ok ... cool ... go ahead :) [08:53] ok JenFraggle asac what item are you on? [08:53] still the wiki cleanup [08:53] oh you went there already [08:54] i ? [08:54] trying to give a beginners perspective [08:54] gnomefreak: oh right ... anything for the forum we missed? [08:54] asac: im on proposed/inactive memebers [08:54] well finished now [08:54] gnomefreak: sorry [08:54] :) [08:54] its ok [08:54] gnomefreak: ah ... yeah [08:54] ok wiki clean up [08:55] so wiki... [08:55] gnomefreak: i think we decided to remove all that never appeared for now [08:55] asac: working on it [08:55] gnomefreak: ok [08:55] ok ... JenFraggle will help to provide a beginners view (maybe a beginners page?) [08:55] 2. i think I need to review the bugs/states page [08:56] I think many pages need a review and an update [08:56] but that is a topic on its own later this meeting :) [08:56] we need people to work on wikis badly, asac JenFraggle i like that idea [08:56] Beginner I can do, complicated stuff is beyond me at the moment [08:56] we need a how to bug traige is main page atm [08:56] i think the idea is: when you see that something is missing you add it on your own or take care that someone adds that content :) [08:56] ...sad to say that my english is too poor to be of any help in wiki improvement [08:56] JenFraggle: thats pretty fine. [08:57] Admiral_Chicago: said he was working on it but i havent seen it. maybe thats the place for beginner bug traige [08:57] hjmf: i don't think that english problems should stop you from editing it [08:57] JenFraggle: do what you know :) [08:57] hjmf: you can add the content ... others can clean up [08:57] just a reminder that as I'm British, anything I do will be in British English, not American ;o) [08:58] JenFraggle: hey ;) ... better then germanish :) [08:58] JenFraggle: to me that's better [08:58] JenFraggle: can be fixed :) [08:58] The Queen's English and all that [08:58] I'll try not to make it Cornish [08:59] me 'ansome [08:59] but please don't modify just to change spelling from english to american and vv :) [08:59] i wouldn't [08:59] if you touch content for other reasons ... do what you like ;) [08:59] if someone gets me a template to use i can fill in the stuff [08:59] gnomefreak: fill in what stuff? [09:00] asac: if someone pretty much sets up page i can fix it addd things to it. my problem is the beggining part of wikis i suck at [09:00] ah ok [09:01] so if hjmf drops some abbreviated content you can fill it with sentences for instance ;) [09:01] good [09:01] i don't know how to do the fancy lines and stuff [09:01] lol [09:01] i think that is enough for now ... again, if you see anything that is missing ... just add it [09:01] something that make sense :D [09:01] JenFraggle: you will see ... if you press edit just copy what you see elsewhere [09:01] always a bonus if it makes sense [09:01] ok mermbers cleaned up [09:01] asac: yes [09:02] looking anxiously [09:02] ok ... moving on? [09:02] ok [09:02] next [09:02] ME: Plugins/Extension Gutsy Day [09:02] i have the feeling that i don't have a big picture on what extension/plugins exists, which ones are broken for us et al. [09:03] you want to support all plugins? please god tell me i read that wrong [09:03] and i am pretty much lost because there are so many of them ... and i usually won't be able to identify a testcase so quickly ... because i mostly don't understand there use [09:03] so far we already have some bugs about extensions [09:04] gnomefreak: no ... i just want a big picture ... what extensions/plugins exist and which do work [09:04] maybe we can create a pool of thirdparty masterish reports [09:04] instead of reject them because of being third party addons [09:04] put all ones you want tested into a wiki page and ill be glad to pull and test. or something organized like that [09:05] what wasa decided about wiki cleanup? [09:05] gnomefreak: point is that doesn't scale much [09:05] gnomefreak: there is already such wiki page [09:05] gnomefreak: and how will you be able to identify a testcase for all [09:05] ? [09:05] the QA i think [09:05] hjmf: yes the QA page has a bunch of extensions [09:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA [09:06] its just plugins [09:06] acroread is nolonger supported [09:06] ... anyway ... i think before we can actually test something we need input from people who use those ... on how to test === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:06] it can be extended to extensions too [09:07] e.g. what url is a typical use-case ... and what to do there in order to test [09:07] hjmf: yes, but i think we should add extensions on demand, e.g. when a testcase is contributed ... otherwise the list will probably be infinite [09:08] any extension that has a bug attached to it [09:08] actually I would like to add some kind of survey to the forums (again!) :) [09:08] example clorozilla [09:08] e.g. people that use extension should take a minute and post how they use their extension somewhere [09:08] colorzilla even [09:08] gnomefreak: yeah ... but we just have a few extensions like that [09:09] asac: a few will get us started [09:09] yes ... but colorzilla has no testcase, because its just broken :) [09:09] I can use my retraces to dig e.g https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/120001/comments/4 [09:09] Launchpad bug 120001 in firefox "[FEISTY] firefox crashed [@nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetDocument] [@GetJSContext] [@nsJSNPRuntime::OnPluginDestroy] " [High,Incomplete] [09:09] its more interesting to get testcases for things that work [09:09] I can ask for those extensions as they appear [09:09] for edgy and feisty of course [09:10] as gusty is autoretraced [09:10] hjmf: yeah getting all extension ids out of backtraces or reports is good [09:10] but actually i think we should work on the apport hook file ... so we get a list of installed extensions automatically [09:10] its written in python :) [09:11] ... have to look :) [09:11] and there is already an example which David developed once [09:11] bug 88506 [09:11] Launchpad bug 88506 in firefox "use apport hooks to get more "standard" information on intial bug submission" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88506 [09:13] we could use that hook to list all folders in /usr/lib/firefox/extensions/ ... as well as the extensions.ini file from the profile [09:13] at best attach extensions.ini + a list of foders in the profiles extensions folder as well [09:13] yes [09:14] example is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport/Hooks === Ju` [n=Ju@AAubervilliers-153-1-16-26.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:15] I'll work on it if nobody does [09:16] ... I dunno if Admiral_Chicago was working on it [09:16] i don't think so ... but maybe he wants to help as well [09:16] asac: ping me before we move on to next topic please [09:17] asac: where are the apport-hooks ? [09:17] ok cool ... i think i will push these plugin-testdays back a few weeks until i discussed with heno how to organize testing in general. [09:17] in the apport branch [09:17] no matter, I'll look [09:17] hjmf: no ... just in wiki [09:17] hjmf: we would have to ship them with firefox package [09:17] ah [09:17] ah ok [09:17] e.g. put that file somewhere [09:18] cool [09:18] that info will attached on crash reports and if people press report a bug in firefox help menu [09:18] gnomefreak: ok ... i think we are through this [09:18] next [09:18] ok [09:18] yes, I know that, but I thought it would be like clue files :) [09:18] nevermind :D [09:18] how about 2 days a month one wiki day and 1 bug day [09:18] since there were just two new states added, its not that pressing to adapt our tag/states policy imo [09:18] bug day can reside inside hugday [09:19] asac: but they were renamed [09:19] hjmf: yeah ... difference is that we ship it to every system while clue files are only pulled to people that want to use bughelper :) === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:19] asac: k [09:19] gnomefreak: you mean plugin-qaday? [09:20] asac: wiki clean up day and bug day and plugin-day if you wish [09:20] hjmf: if you have questions how this work ... just ask in mt channel ;) [09:20] gnomefreak: wow ... al at once? [09:20] asac: I think I got the idea :) [09:20] separate days [09:20] hjmf: i know :) [09:21] btw all clue files or hooks need to be redone with new status names since we no longer have needs info and such [09:21] gnomefreak: ok ... so you mean in collaboration with qa team? [09:21] gnomefreak: yeah ... needs info is gone [09:21] but that is all afaik [09:21] ah unconfirmed as well [09:21] and rejected [09:21] most are renamed [09:21] but i don't think we use them in clue files atm [09:21] JenFraggle: any idea`? [09:21] i think confirmed is only one left [09:22] that wont be a problem since is just a rename of states in most cases [09:22] yeah ... but taht just a single replace for each tag ... so don't bother :) [09:22] i haven't really had anything to do with tags so am not really sure [09:22] s/tag/state/ [09:22] JenFraggle: ah ok. [09:22] yeah ... but it probably is just a single replace [09:23] hjmf: you have a cluefile at hand? [09:23] yes [09:23] hjmf: how is the sytax to match state needs info? [09:23] looking [09:23] maybe we can add a compatibility layer in bughelper :) [09:23] e.g. just allow needs info to match incomplete as well :) [09:24] but since its just a replace, i am not sure if its worth the efford [09:24] though ... there are lots of clue files :) [09:24] statusNEEDSINFO [09:24] ? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71132.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:24] however Admiral_Chicago sent a patch today to bughelper [09:25] didn't see it though [09:25] hjmf: did it include compatibility? [09:25] Bug 121501 [09:25] Launchpad bug 121501 in bughelper "bughelper is outdated due to LP update." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121501 [09:25] becuse that sytax above is not an exact match anyway ... so implementing a graceful transition would be pretty easy imo [09:26] hmmm it doesn't touch any match metho [09:26] d [09:26] so is statusNEEDSINFO automatically guessed? [09:26] no idea really [09:26] from the status text? === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:26] appears so ... well then we just should adapt clue files for us === Ju` is now known as Ju [09:27] Admiral_Chicago: will you take care of fixing s/statusNEEDSINFO/statusINCOMPLETE/ in cluefiles? [09:27]