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| bspencer_ | agoliveira, thx | 12:38 |
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| agoliveira | bspencer_: My pleasure dude! BTW, are any of you going to the LinuxWorld Conference and Expo in SF? There will be a mobile track there. | 12:40 |
| tko | IMO hildon-desktop shouldn't depend on sapwood.. it might depend on any "hildon compatible" theme. if the theme uses sapwood the that theme needs to depend on gtk2-engines-sapwood | 12:40 |
| agoliveira | tko: That's an interesting idea. Tool bad I have no idea how to package this :P but we can plan something. | 12:41 |
| tko | agoliveira: we have our theme dependency in higher level metapackage | 12:42 |
| agoliveira | tko: Yes. I meant that I have no idea if we would keep this way or do it diferently. | 12:43 |
| tko | I'm remembering a discussion we had internally and I think we should probably add a virtual hildon-theme dependency and let plankton and other theme packages provide it | 12:44 |
| tko | but then again, it's just cosmetics... | 12:45 |
| Mithrandir | if hildon-desktop needs a theme (but doesn't care which) add a depends on sapwood | hildon-theme and have sapwood (and any other themes) provide hildon-theme. | 12:48 |
| tko | sapwood is just the engine | 12:52 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: I think that mix sapwood with the theme is not a good idea. | 01:02 |
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| jacob_ | BenC, i created /srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git, but i got error trying to push my changes | 01:17 |
| jacob_ | BenC, the error is error: remote 'refs/heads/origin' is not a strict subset of local ref 'refs/heads/origin'. maybe you are not up-to-date and need to pull first? | 01:18 |
| BenC | jacob_: how did you create jpan9-git-tree on zinc? | 01:19 |
| jacob_ | following the KernelGitGuide | 01:19 |
| BenC | jacob_: Are you trying to push your local Linus based tree to it? | 01:19 |
| BenC | or is your local tree based on our gutsy tree? | 01:19 |
| jacob_ | git-clone -l -n -s /srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git | 01:20 |
| jacob_ | yes, it is. i did a pull | 01:20 |
| BenC | No, I mean the tree you are pushing from | 01:20 |
| jacob_ | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git pull ssh://jpan9@kernel.ubuntu.com/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git | 01:20 |
| jacob_ | Already up-to-date. | 01:20 |
| BenC | ah, so you cloned, pulled, committed changes, and are trying to push? | 01:20 |
| BenC | well, I mean you cloned on zinc, cloned that locally, committed, and then push | 01:21 |
| jacob_ | the only glich might be i cloned from our local copy that rob created, | 01:21 |
| BenC | ah, that's it | 01:21 |
| jacob_ | before i got access to zinc | 01:21 |
| BenC | git-fetch origin; git-rebase origin | 01:21 |
| BenC | I rebase to Linux tree every so often (soon to be on a schedule) | 01:22 |
| BenC | so it throws off the history | 01:22 |
| BenC | s/Linux/Linus/ | 01:22 |
| BenC | not sure how your tree is, but might have to use full URI: git-fetch zinc.ubuntu.com:/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy master:ubuntu-gutsy; git-rebase ubuntu-gutsy | 01:24 |
| jacob_ | let me try | 01:24 |
| jacob_ | still have the same problem | 01:28 |
| jacob_ | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git-fetch jpan9@zinc.ubuntu.com:/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy master:ubuntu-gutsy; | 01:28 |
| jacob_ | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git-rebase ubuntu-gutsy | 01:28 |
| jacob_ | Current branch master is up to date. | 01:28 |
| jacob_ | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git push ssh://jpan9@kernel.ubuntu.com/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git | 01:28 |
| jacob_ | error: remote 'refs/heads/origin' is not a strict subset of local ref 'refs/heads/origin'. maybe you are not up-to-date and need to pull first? | 01:28 |
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| BenC | hmm..how can it be up-to-date and not be a subset :/ | 01:28 |
| BenC | oh, it's only complaining about origin | 01:29 |
| jacob_ | for got to pull again, so the push works now. thanks | 01:30 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: can you be around for an update on the mobile kernel, tomorrow, at 1600 UTC? | 01:33 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: luckily that happens to be an hour before I have 3 catch-up calls with kernel team | 01:43 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: this channel? | 01:43 |
| BenC | Oh, wait, tomorrow is Thu | 01:43 |
| BenC | ok, still open | 01:43 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: yes, as in about 16 hours. | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | great, thanks. | 01:44 |
| BenC | I'll invite amit too | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | update as in, I'd like an update on what's happening there, particularly with the spec. | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | Kyle is the drafter, but he's on VAC | 01:44 |
| BenC | amit is supposed to be taking things over, but I've talked to kyle a bit and should have some info for you | 01:45 |
| Mithrandir | ok, thanks. | 01:45 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: damnit, my head is mis calculating UTC to local...I have an engineering call tomorrow with a vendor at 16:00 UTC | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | can you get amitk up to speed and ask him to attend on behalf of the kernel team then? | 02:01 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: I'll email status to amit and let him present | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 02:01 |
| BenC | I can still sit in and try to answer while on the phone | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | if you could, that'd be great | 02:02 |
| bspencer | agoliveira: Mithrandir, tko : but the point Mithrandir made is a good one. Have the theme pkg provide hildon-theme | 02:14 |
| bspencer | and hildon-desktop dependsd on hildon-theme | 02:14 |
| bspencer | the plankton pkg would have the sapwood dependency | 02:14 |
| bspencer | (plankton being a nokia default theme) | 02:15 |
| Mithrandir | you want to have hildon-desktop depend on plankton-theme | hildon-theme though so it knows a reasonable default | 02:17 |
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| agoliveira | as a reasonable default, I agree. | 02:21 |
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| bspencer | Mithrandir, agoliveira : sure, until we have the MID-Ubuntu theme done. | 02:42 |
| bspencer | or whatever. | 02:42 |
| Mithrandir | sure, at that point we can flip the default | 02:44 |
| agoliveira | Ok, deal. | 02:47 |
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| bspencer | tko: moimart can you confirm that the latest svn is: http://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop/hildon-desktop/ ? | 03:09 |
| bspencer | agoliveira: where do we pull from for the hildon-1-0 pkg? | 03:10 |
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| bspencer | 134.134.16.127 | 03:19 |
| bspencer | (bob's IP adder) | 03:19 |
| bspencer | scratch | 03:19 |
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| bspencer | credit card number: 3234 2311 4444 2122 | 03:20 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: is your question about where to pull from where launchpad pulls from or what URL you should us to get the bzr checkout of what's in hildon-1-0? | 03:20 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir: I am working on adding new functionality to libhildondesktop | 03:21 |
| bspencer | I was working off source from maemo svn | 03:21 |
| bspencer | but wanted to be sure I was working on the tip. Then I was curious where we pull our source from. | 03:21 |
| Mithrandir | we have branched off their trunk at some point, but will regularly resynchronise with their trunk. | 03:22 |
| bspencer | how does the normal process work in this regard? | 03:22 |
| bspencer | I assume I send them my code, then ubuntu syncs now and then | 03:22 |
| Mithrandir | that's one way to do it, yes. | 03:22 |
| bspencer | but maybe I should be making changes to ubuntu code, then push it to them later | 03:23 |
| Mithrandir | or you could develop it in a bzr branch | 03:23 |
| Mithrandir | libhildondesktop is in hildon-desktop, right? | 03:23 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir: I like that. It means that my changes don't have to be accepted by Nokia immediately | 03:23 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: That would be the better way I guess. | 03:23 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Insomnia striking today? :) | 03:24 |
| bspencer | I think that libhildon-1-dev contains the "hildon-desktop" code. | 03:24 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: nah, debconf. Hacking. :-) | 03:24 |
| agoliveira | Guys, I'm leaving. See you tomorrow; | 03:25 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: something vaguely related to -mobile even; not necessary yet, but certainly for mobile stuff: exclusion support for dpkg. | 03:25 |
| bspencer | ciao | 03:25 |
| Mithrandir | see you, Adilson | 03:25 |
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| bspencer | moimart, you around? | 09:09 |
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| amitk | robr: Could you please check your patches with ./scripts/checkpatch.pl in the kernel directory, fix and repost them? | 12:34 |
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| ian_brasil | is there a meeting here soon..i am sure i remeber 16:00 today but could be wrong? | 05:23 |
| Mithrandir | you are correct | 05:24 |
| Mithrandir | 1600 UTC | 05:24 |
| Mithrandir | so in about 36 minutes | 05:24 |
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| ian_brasil | ok...i am not imagining things then, great | 05:26 |
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| Mithrandir | hm, so who are here already? | 05:57 |
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| kwwii | howdy | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: you and me both. 3.5 hours after a night of hacking isn't enough | 05:59 |
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| agoliveira | kwwii: Yo! How's the flight back? | 05:59 |
| agoliveira | No Intel people around? I know Bob is logged in. | 06:00 |
| Mithrandir | haven't seen them today. | 06:01 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: long but not too bad | 06:01 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Same. | 06:01 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: no customs problems? :-) | 06:01 |
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| Mithrandir | hi Charles | 06:03 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: No. I just passed trough. But I was well in the allowance anyway. | 06:03 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Not counting the watch, of course :P | 06:03 |
| kwwii | hehe, sweet - I picked up a camera in the meantime | 06:04 |
| |moimart| | im here :) | 06:04 |
| cfj | Hi - This is Charlie Johnson from Intel. Tollef misidentified me in his agenda. | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | cfj: oops, apologies. | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | cfj: seen Bob and the others yet? | 06:04 |
| cfj | They don't site close to me, so I haven't seen them | 06:04 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: I knew you wouldn't resist :) | 06:04 |
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| cfj | Are we expecting Tollef to be on to walk thru the agenda? | 06:06 |
| agoliveira | Yes, I guess so. | 06:06 |
| agoliveira | Tollef: Need any help? | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | I'm waiting a little bit to see if Bob and Rusty shows up | 06:07 |
| agoliveira | Ah, ok. | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | oh well, we'll start now and they can chime in later. | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - Hildon packaging update (Tollef Fog Heen/Adilson Oliveira) | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - Flash image creation (Rusty ) | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - Kernel and hardware support (Ben Collins) | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - UI, utilities (Bob Spencer) | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - Graphics (Charlie Spencer) | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - Build infrastructure (Tollef Fog Heen) | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - GNOME components (Bob Spencer) | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - Ownerless specs: - UI guide - Browser - Media player UI - Hardware media decoding - USB client - Development environment | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - Goals for the next week | 06:07 |
| agoliveira | Fine to me. | 06:08 |
| Mithrandir | anybody got any additions to the agenda? | 06:08 |
| cfj | Yes - MID Wireless Device Support & Kernel Patches for Thermal optimizations | 06:09 |
| agoliveira | I also would like Intel rep to talk about the devices a bit, just to let the others know the current situation. | 06:10 |
| agoliveira | If there is any new, of course. | 06:10 |
| cfj | Which type of devices? | 06:10 |
| cfj | Or do you mean platforms? | 06:10 |
| agoliveira | Sorry, platforms... | 06:10 |
| cfj | I can do that. | 06:10 |
| agoliveira | Cool. | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | ok, let's get started then. | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | Adilson, can you give us an update on the current state of the hildon packages? | 06:11 |
| agoliveira | Sure. | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | (relative to two weeks ago) | 06:11 |
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| rusty | I totally spaced on the Thursday morning irc meeting thing | 06:12 |
| ian_brasil | sorry...some talk about docs would be good too if there is time | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | rusty: my fault, I was supposed to send the mail a bit earlier, but debconf foiled me. | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | ian_brasil: good point. | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | rusty: any idea if Bob's showing up? | 06:13 |
| agoliveira | We were able to put all the bits and pieces on the repository to one can use thme on Gutsy. There is a bugs yet but as a first set of packages is fine. I have being trying to reorganize them but it is just not feasible to mess this around right now. I fixing the -dev packages and will have it done probably today yet. | 06:13 |
| rusty | I bet he forgot... I have email from him till 2 in the morning | 06:13 |
| rusty | Has anyone tried to root cause the bug where clicking on the menu icon will crash hildon-desktop? | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: that sounds like great progress. So you can run a hildon desktop now and have applications display on it? | 06:14 |
| agoliveira | Yes :) | 06:14 |
| agoliveira | Since last week actually. | 06:14 |
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| Mithrandir | that's great; it should unblock the intel people who want to build stuff using hildon too, I hope. | 06:15 |
| ferulo | agoliveira: is there any packaging stuff in hildon bits that should be considered to be merged upstream? | 06:15 |
| rusty | Mithrandir, yes, we are good for app development | 06:15 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: what's left before we can consider the initial sprint for packages done? | 06:16 |
| agoliveira | ferulo: Right now, I guess not. | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | ferulo: probably all of it, I'd say. | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | more or less. | 06:16 |
| rusty | Mithrandir, but we do have a nasty bug where the desktop crashes when you click on the icon that should provide the application menu | 06:16 |
| agoliveira | I would prefer to mature it abit yet. | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | rusty: sounds like something that should be fairly easy to track down using valgrind. | 06:17 |
| ferulo | ok, so do you plan to submit bugs upstream or pointing us to relevant changes? or should we track your bzr repos? | 06:17 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: With the dev packages working, I think we are ok for a first round. | 06:17 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: ok, good. | 06:17 |
| rusty | Mithrandir, Horace (in Shanghi) was attempting to track it down last night. | 06:17 |
| Mithrandir | ferulo: I think we want to submit it as bugs upstream, but if you would rather track bzr that would of course make it even easier for us. | 06:18 |
| rusty | Mithrandir, i think with the gtk update from mid-last week, we dropped the a gtk patch that we depend on that allows custom file picker dialog windows | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, ok. | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | we need to fix that | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: can you check whether it's still there, and if not, talk to Daniel or Seb to get it back again? | 06:19 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Sure. | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | anybody got anything more about the packaging update? If not, we'll proceed to flash image creating | 06:20 |
| Mithrandir | creation, even | 06:20 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: IIRC, it is there yet but I'll double check it. | 06:20 |
| rusty | agoliveira, are you talking about the gtk patch? | 06:20 |
| agoliveira | Yes | 06:20 |
| rusty | agoliveira, if the patch is there then we have a new bug that you can reproduce by attempting to open any file picker | 06:21 |
| rusty | agoliveira, for example... open the dialog to set the background and pick the "browse" button, and watch hildon-desktop crash | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | ok, that needs to be fixed. | 06:22 |
| rusty | it's just that the bug showed up the first time i created a new chroot that used the new gtk | 06:22 |
| agoliveira | rusty: I'll see that as soon as we finish here. | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | rusty: can you give us an update on the image creation tools? | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | the spec's still drafting, what's missing there? | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, all of it, it seems. :-P | 06:23 |
| rusty | i'm behind on writting the spec | 06:23 |
| rusty | but the code is up in bzr | 06:23 |
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| Mithrandir | hi Bob | 06:23 |
| bspencer | hey | 06:23 |
| |moimart| | rusty: if the problem is in the hildon filechooser hildon-desktop can use gtkfilechooser | 06:23 |
| rusty | last week i created a new project called 'project-builder' | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | rusty: when do you think you can have the spec written up by? Do you need help with it? | 06:23 |
| bspencer | moimart, glad you are around | 06:23 |
| |moimart| | :) | 06:24 |
| rusty | Mithrandir, i planed on finishing it this week... i just need to make myself finish it | 06:24 |
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| bspencer | moimart, I sent you a reply with all the info I could think of to be useful | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | rusty: ok, good. Anything you need from anybody else for that to happen? | 06:24 |
| |moimart| | bspencer: ill have a look | 06:25 |
| rusty | Mithrandir, i think i'm good... as soon as I push another fix this morning then the tool can create images that boot on a samsung q1 ultra | 06:25 |
| rusty | well... other then i need to add a new package that contains the specific samsung configuration | 06:25 |
| bspencer | rusty, did you figure out the touchscreen config? | 06:26 |
| Mithrandir | rusty: that's really good news. | 06:26 |
| rusty | bspencer, no, i'm still having problems configuring the touchscreen | 06:26 |
| rusty | the new samsung device has some challenges... like a usb camera that doesn't seem to have a driver yet | 06:27 |
| rusty | and the wireless is the Atheros AR5006X... i'm not sure if a driver exist for that just yet | 06:27 |
| bspencer | wireless connectivity is overrated | 06:27 |
| bspencer | everybody is pugging in these days | 06:27 |
| bspencer | s/pugging/plugging | 06:28 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 06:28 |
| agoliveira | Isnst' this Atheros AR5006X the same as the macbooks? | 06:28 |
| rusty | I'm not sure... i haven't had time to investigate | 06:28 |
| agoliveira | If it is, there's drivers. | 06:29 |
| cfj | Rusty - Any update from Mauri as to when Q1 Ultras will ship to Canonical? | 06:29 |
| cfj | I keep hearing next week for the last 3 weeks. | 06:29 |
| rusty | We are got our first delivery of a few systems, and some more are starting to trickle in | 06:30 |
| rusty | We are looking into the right way to ship these devices without having the recipients having to pick up the import tax | 06:31 |
| === agoliveira cries thinking about 60% of a Q1 Ultra | ||
| rusty | so far... at the very least we will ship to a site in the specific location, and then reship domestic | 06:31 |
| cfj | Shipping knows how to do this. We shipped stuff to Tungsten Graphics all the time. (i.e. Alan is in the UK.) | 06:31 |
| rusty | cfj, you mean where we pickup the tax? | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | it seems like the image builder is having good progress, so I suggest we move onto the kernel and hardware support, as well as MID wireless device support & kernel patches for thermal optimisations. | 06:33 |
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| Mithrandir | and while I'm looking forward to getting my hand on a device, we can handle that after the meeting? | 06:33 |
| cfj | It has to do with how you designate the device. Something like claiming it is a prototype. | 06:33 |
| agoliveira | Agreed. | 06:33 |
| cfj | I can ask around to find out the details. | 06:33 |
| Mithrandir | BenC,amitk: kernel update? | 06:34 |
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| amitk | mithrandir: right. So there are two components | 06:34 |
| amitk | the UME kernel configuration and the actual LPIA patches | 06:34 |
| amitk | the kernel configuration is being worked on by Kyle who is on vacation this week. | 06:35 |
| jacob-laptop | amitk: hi, i put my git repo at /srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git | 06:35 |
| amitk | I hope to start working with him when he is back | 06:35 |
| agoliveira | amitk: When is this? | 06:36 |
| amitk | coming the the patches... jacob-laptop: I looked at those. | 06:36 |
| amitk | agoliveira: next week if I understood benc correctly | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: he'll be back Monday, I suspect, he's here at Debconf | 06:37 |
| agoliveira | Oh, fine. | 06:37 |
| cfj | How does it look getting the patches into the kernel for CD#2 at the end of the month? | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | what needs doing for the spec to be approved? | 06:37 |
| amitk | jacob-laptop: could you go over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide and clean up the patches accordingly | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | cfj: we'd need the patches this week, the latest. | 06:38 |
| BenC | Tribe-2 has a deadline of Tue | 06:38 |
| BenC | and I'm not sure we can make that, but we'll try | 06:38 |
| amitk | More specifically, read the Patch acceptance criteria | 06:38 |
| cfj | Jacob - What else needs to happen. We've had these patches for a bit? | 06:38 |
| BenC | bad part about the kernel is we have 3-4 dependent packages that have to be compiled behind it, so we need more lead time to do the upload than other packages | 06:39 |
| agoliveira | excuse me for one minute: someone is ringging... let me kick he/she out! | 06:40 |
| cfj | What's the minimum to allow it to boot & Run on a Menlow ?? (PATA, LPC, SMBUS ??) | 06:40 |
| jacob-laptop | i will do the clean up and some fixes, this was the initial version did in a hurry. | 06:40 |
| amitk | jacob-laptop: thanks | 06:40 |
| jacob-laptop | don't need any patch to boot. | 06:40 |
| jacob-laptop | but using pata patch will let you boot faster | 06:40 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: do you know if Kyle needs anything to complete the spec, or if it's just blocked on time? | 06:41 |
| jacob-laptop | it enables DMA | 06:41 |
| cfj | PATA, not a USB drive. | 06:41 |
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| amitk | mithrandir: I don't. But i think it was time. | 06:42 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 06:42 |
| Mithrandir | I can prod him gently when I see him next. | 06:42 |
| cfj | So again, is there anything else Intel needs to do for these core chipset patches ?? Is just Ubuntu/Canonical processing at this point? | 06:42 |
| jacob-laptop | there is no patch for ECHI USB | 06:43 |
| jacob-laptop | EHCI | 06:43 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Good idea... he's about twice your size :) | 06:43 |
| cfj | We don't have to wait for that. (EHCI) | 06:44 |
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| Mithrandir | cfj: you had an item about wireless device support and kernel patches for thermal optimisations. What is there to say about them? | 06:45 |
| jacob-laptop | cfj: we will continue developing patches for the chipset. No EHCI patch afaik. | 06:45 |
| amitk | jacob-laptop: Do you have a time estimate on the reworked patches? | 06:46 |
| jacob-laptop | Currently, those patches are only distributed to Ubuntu. | 06:46 |
| jacob-laptop | amitk: if you refer to the clean up, i can do it today. | 06:47 |
| cfj | Mithrandir: I can take the wireless and thermal topic to email. I'd rather address graphics today. | 06:47 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 06:47 |
| amitk | great | 06:47 |
| jacob-laptop | amitk: other than commit template what else should i do? | 06:48 |
| Mithrandir | jacob-laptop: I'm putting you up as responsible for cleaning up the patches so they are suitable for Ubuntu | 06:48 |
| Mithrandir | jacob-laptop: ok? | 06:48 |
| cfj | So again - Does Canonical need anything more from Intel as far as the core chipset patches ?? | 06:49 |
| amitk | jacob-laptop: actually, _before_ the template, you need to cleanup whitespace. Run the patches through the scripts mentioned on the link above | 06:49 |
| jacob-laptop | Mithrandir: ok. i will make sure patches follow the UbuntuKernelGuide | 06:49 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: can you answer cfj's question? | 06:50 |
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| amitk | cfj: if nothing else is required for boot, then nothing else is required from Intel. BenC might be able to correct me here... | 06:51 |
| Mithrandir | then I suggest we move on to UI and utilities; Bob? | 06:51 |
| bspencer | yes | 06:51 |
| bspencer | a quick status from last week | 06:51 |
| bspencer | perhaps you already discussed, sorry I was late | 06:52 |
| Mithrandir | what's the status, do you need help for getting the specs through to approved? | 06:52 |
| bspencer | we had a productive meeting with Nokia, which helped a lot | 06:52 |
| Mithrandir | no, we didn't. | 06:52 |
| bspencer | during the Desktop Architects meeting at googleplex | 06:52 |
| bspencer | I think for Hildon framework, most packages are in repo and working | 06:52 |
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| bspencer | although I think the -dev packages aren't quite there. | 06:52 |
| bspencer | at least I can't install hildon-desktop-dev yet | 06:53 |
| cfj | Mithrandir: I have to bail out of the meeting at the top of the hour. I can include graphics in my email with the other topics. | 06:53 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: Right, being taken care. | 06:53 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, said he would work on this a little this week, iirc | 06:53 |
| Mithrandir | cfj: ok, thanks. | 06:53 |
| bspencer | great. | 06:53 |
| bspencer | wrt the specs, I am delinquent but will repent | 06:53 |
| bspencer | I have the information for at least the main UI and have shared this with Ken and others, but need to update the site | 06:53 |
| Mithrandir | ok, good. | 06:54 |
| bspencer | utilities -- we should discuss | 06:54 |
| bspencer | not sure exactly what that entails, aside from getting the control panel and status bar working | 06:54 |
| bspencer | and writing some "how-to-create-a-plugin" documentation | 06:54 |
| bspencer | but I will work on that too. | 06:54 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: About those docs you have being writting with Moises. Are you going to put it up? | 06:54 |
| bspencer | yes | 06:54 |
| agoliveira | Cool | 06:54 |
| bspencer | mainly they are just API description and a UML chart. | 06:54 |
| bspencer | and whatever I think I've learned. | 06:55 |
| Mithrandir | that's a good start | 06:55 |
| bspencer | I try to get these in by Monday evening. | 06:55 |
| bspencer | (not sure what the deadline is other than asap) | 06:55 |
| bspencer | that's all I have, unless there are questions. | 06:56 |
| Mithrandir | well, before we have the specs approved, we don't actually have a project plan, which is slightly problematic wrt an agreement between Canonical and Intel. | 06:56 |
| Mithrandir | as well as being problematic since we don't know what we need to do and have the tools we need to use for plannig | 06:56 |
| |moimart| | bspencer: it would be good to have those docs, because the releasing of our documentation is still open | 06:56 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir, good point. | 06:56 |
| bspencer | moimart, ok. | 06:57 |
| cfj | We should discuss project plan - A separate working meeting on that topic be good. | 06:57 |
| Mithrandir | the specs are really the project plan | 06:58 |
| Mithrandir | ok, Charlie has to go, so we'll skip the Graphics item on the agenda and move on to Build infrastructure. | 06:59 |
| cfj | We need to talk about actually schedules. When we expect the various items in the specs to be integrated. At least have targets. | 06:59 |
| tko | btw, we're slowly collecting ideas for hildon roadmap at http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/Roadmap .. if you have some ideas, especially if you're considering doing things yourself, feel free to add them there. we can then have a roadmap discussion at some point on hildon-list | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | cfj: ok, we can meet up early next week to discuss that? | 06:59 |
| bspencer | tko, thanks for the heads-up. we might like to propose something with our marquee (panel) and maybe an additional widget or two (off the top of my head). | 07:00 |
| cfj | I have to do: Two last comments : HW Media Accel and USB Client should be owned by me. (Charlie Johnson) and yes we can meet early next week. | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | I don't really have anything to report wrt build infrastructure, I've been on vacation and therefore haven't prodded the relevant people. Prodding will resume shortly and we should have a beginning archive by next week, I hope. | 07:00 |
| cfj | s/do/go/ | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | cfj: ok, thanks for your time. :-) | 07:00 |
| agoliveira | Bye cfj | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | which brings us back to Bob again, on the GNOME components. | 07:01 |
| |moimart| | bspencer: having open plugins is a very good idea as i told you | 07:01 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: the spec here is also empty; do you have a plan to share with us which can go into the spec? | 07:01 |
| bspencer | moimart, sure. | 07:02 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir, the spec was intended to describe what parts of Gnome mobile we would want to include in the distribution | 07:02 |
| bspencer | at this point I only know of the components that are needed by specific applications | 07:02 |
| bspencer | not sure if just includig all gnome mobile is desirable | 07:03 |
| bspencer | or if we take it an application at a time -- just including what they really need. | 07:03 |
| bspencer | but that may be the work of someone creating a product, not the distribution | 07:03 |
| bspencer | so I can write this spec quickly, just saying that it will have the gnome mobile components and include a picture from gnome.org/mobile | 07:03 |
| tko | bspencer: I was just about to say that depends on whether you're producing a platform or product | 07:03 |
| bspencer | comments? | 07:03 |
| bspencer | tko, agreed. | 07:04 |
| bspencer | this brings up a bigger question which is who/when do we decide what is part of this distribution? | 07:04 |
| Mithrandir | I've always had the impression of us being a platform more than just a product. | 07:05 |
| agoliveira | ... and so being able to be multiple products, etc | 07:06 |
| ian_brasil | Mithrandir: some of the recent feedback/e-mails to the list seem to back this up too | 07:06 |
| Mithrandir | I'm happy by basically deferring the decision to GMAE and pick their components and whatever extras we need | 07:07 |
| Mithrandir | does that sound good? | 07:07 |
| bspencer | it is the best we can do today. | 07:07 |
| bspencer | and we can adjust it as need dictates | 07:07 |
| Mithrandir | ok, can you write up the spec with that as the basis? | 07:08 |
| bspencer | yes | 07:08 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 07:08 |
| Mithrandir | any more on GNOME components? If not, we'll move on to documentation. | 07:08 |
| Mithrandir | ian_brasil: the floor is yours. :-) | 07:08 |
| ian_brasil | well i just wanted to find out about the best way to document things | 07:09 |
| ian_brasil | if there is something planned or not | 07:09 |
| ian_brasil | I have just been documenting things in an ad-hoc way so far | 07:09 |
| rusty | what kind of documentation are we talking about? | 07:10 |
| ian_brasil | so some planning will help for sure | 07:10 |
| ian_brasil | well for example there was some interest in pyphantom | 07:10 |
| ian_brasil | so i documeted the source code | 07:10 |
| ian_brasil | basically API documentation and user guides | 07:11 |
| ian_brasil | but more importantly how can it be done in a uniform way | 07:12 |
| ian_brasil | using as much available infrastructure as possible | 07:12 |
| Mithrandir | it sounds like something that should be taken upstream, so going with maemo prefers to use for API docs | 07:13 |
| rusty | I can definitely see a bunch of ad-hoc documentation written making it hard for people to find what they are looking for | 07:14 |
| rusty | like... what's up with this Samsung Q1 Ultra, what works, who is tackling what, etc. | 07:15 |
| ian_brasil | rusty: well it is sort of like this now...i just write up what takes my fancy basically which is good for me but maybe not for the whole UME | 07:15 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, though that's less about API docs and more about end-user docs, or developer docs | 07:15 |
| agoliveira | end-user docs? Product docs? | 07:16 |
| rusty | whatever the docs, i do recognizes from past projects that this could snow ball into a mass of random documents making it pretty unusable | 07:17 |
| Mithrandir | yes, I think we want to make sure we avoid that | 07:17 |
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| rusty | ian_brasil, so are you thinking on the lines of a structured ubuntu-mobile guide? | 07:18 |
| ian_brasil | well something like that yes | 07:18 |
| Mithrandir | I say just go for it; what do you need from the rest of us? | 07:19 |
| rusty | if we had that, then for the upstream API documentation we could at least have a standard way of linking to the upstream documentaion (be it gnome, maemo, etc) | 07:19 |
| Mithrandir | sounds like a plan to me. | 07:20 |
| Mithrandir | ian_brasil: agreed? Can you write that up as a spec? | 07:20 |
| ian_brasil | well....i would like to use the django comment system for building the actual docs | 07:20 |
| ian_brasil | as it is so easy to get other peoples input | 07:21 |
| ian_brasil | but some help with the structure as well | 07:21 |
| ian_brasil | like what exactly to document | 07:21 |
| Mithrandir | I'm not familiar with it. | 07:21 |
| rusty | is it http://www.djangoproject.com/ ? | 07:21 |
| ian_brasil | no the django book...i put something here http://proddingthe.net/ as an experiment | 07:23 |
| ian_brasil | this is the django book code | 07:23 |
| ian_brasil | and it allows you to comment on individual parts within a chapter | 07:24 |
| Mithrandir | I suggest you raise it on the list and try to get people to contribute there; While I absolutely agree we need docs, I'm not sure what more we can get done in this meeting. | 07:24 |
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| === agoliveira thinks next time we need a smaller agenda or bigger time slot :) | ||
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: smaller agenda, hopefully | 07:24 |
| ian_brasil | ok...i will write up something then | 07:24 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 07:25 |
| Mithrandir | let's move on, then | 07:25 |
| Mithrandir | we have a bunch of ownerless specs | 07:25 |
| Mithrandir | this is obviously bad. | 07:25 |
| === bspencer hopes they won't become his... | ||
| kwwii | as far as the UI stuff goes, I could help keep it up to date etc. | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | - UI guide | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | - Browser | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | - Media player UI | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | - Hardware media decoding | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | - USB client | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | - Development environment | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | are the ones | 07:26 |
| bspencer | UI guide -- Bob/Ken | 07:26 |
| bspencer | Browser -- Bob | 07:26 |
| rusty | USB client -> c. Johnson | 07:26 |
| bspencer | Media player -- Bob | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | we need an assignee who's responsible for implmentation, and we need a drafter who is responsible for writing the spec | 07:27 |
| Mithrandir | they can be the same person. | 07:27 |
| Mithrandir | hardware media decoding and usb client are Charlies, I noted that earlier, yes. | 07:27 |
| kwwii | the UI guide part is kinda hard to decide on the implementation side, or? | 07:27 |
| Mithrandir | yes, it doesn't have an implementation, but it still needs to be completed | 07:28 |
| kwwii | but I'll sign up as drafter :-) | 07:28 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: you're both assignee and drafter on yours? | 07:28 |
| bspencer | you can make me assignee and implementor for: UI guide, Browser, Media Player UI. (Or Ken the implementor for UI guide) | 07:28 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir, yes, probably. Though Ken can help too. | 07:28 |
| Mithrandir | of course, it's just who's responsible, it doesn't mean others can't chime in. | 07:29 |
| agoliveira | Bob The (spec) Builder (sorry Bob, couldn't resist!) :) | 07:29 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: can you take the development environment? | 07:29 |
| bspencer | I'm fine with both assignments | 07:29 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Yes, why not | 07:29 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 07:29 |
| Mithrandir | then we're at the end of the agenda: Goals for next week | 07:30 |
| Mithrandir | I'd like to have a meeting in a week, if that works for people. | 07:30 |
| agoliveira | Have the specs would be nice. | 07:30 |
| Mithrandir | by then, I would like all specs to be written up and maybe not yet approved, but at least ready for approval | 07:30 |
| rusty | I'll be flying on Thursday | 07:30 |
| Mithrandir | ok, we can move it to Friday if that's better | 07:30 |
| rusty | works for me | 07:31 |
| rusty | i'll be irc'ing from the OLS floor | 07:31 |
| agoliveira | Friday same time is ok for me too. | 07:31 |
| kwwii | sounds fine | 07:31 |
| Mithrandir | should work fine for me too | 07:31 |
| Mithrandir | anybody have specs they don't think they'll have ready by the end of next week? | 07:32 |
| bspencer | good for me | 07:32 |
| rusty | I would really like to see all the init scripts in place such that you can boot a device that automatically startsup to the hildon desktop without having to manually do a buch of stuff | 07:32 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir, I might not have all 7 done, but I'll work on them | 07:32 |
| rusty | Mithrandir, I'm good for the image creation spec | 07:32 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: understood. | 07:32 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: it's better to have five done and two unstarted than seven mostly-done, IMO. | 07:33 |
| bspencer | ok. | 07:33 |
| Mithrandir | anybody got any more business? | 07:33 |
| rusty | Will anyone else be at OLS next week? | 07:33 |
| agoliveira | I ok. | 07:33 |
| rusty | I'm on the hook to host a BOF about mobile stuff | 07:34 |
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| Mithrandir | interesting; relay any interesting discussions back to us? | 07:34 |
| rusty | the schedule is wrong.. it talks about a paper that Tariq and I were going to write | 07:34 |
| amitk | rusty: what happened to the pm framework that intel was going to announce? | 07:34 |
| Mithrandir | ok, I think we're done with today's business; adjourned. | 07:34 |
| rusty | yeap, i'll report back any interesting stuff, and promote ubuntu-mobile | 07:34 |
| Mithrandir | you're of course free to discuss more here later, but I have to grab some food before I die of hunger. | 07:35 |
| amitk | Tariq mentioned it at UDS | 07:35 |
| agoliveira | Bye all. I have to rush to the bank but I'll be back asap. | 07:35 |
| ian_brasil | tchau | 07:35 |
| bspencer | tchuss | 07:35 |
| rusty | amitk, i don't know the latest status other then I know Tariq and Arjan have been shopping around the concepts some some initial design documentation to a bunch of individules | 07:35 |
| rusty | trying to get some mindshare | 07:36 |
| amitk | rusty: So nothing upcoming at OLS? | 07:36 |
| amitk | or PM-summit before? | 07:37 |
| rusty | well, Tariq had to cancel his trip at the last minute for personal reasons | 07:37 |
| rusty | amitk, i need to ping Tariq, but he is on vacation right now | 07:37 |
| amitk | right... | 07:38 |
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| rusty | question for the crowed... how do we see X starting on ubuntu-mobile? On a normal desktop you have gdm (or whatever kde uses) that is launched by a startup script and handles starting the user session. What do we want for an Ubuntu-Mobile device? | 08:43 |
| bspencer | moimart, are your there? i think I found my big | 08:46 |
| bspencer | bug | 08:46 |
| tko | direct login if there's only one user, login screen otherwise? or rule out multiuser cases? | 08:46 |
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| moimart | bspencer: im here | 08:47 |
| moimart | bspencer: what was it? | 08:47 |
| agoliveira | rusty: I'm with tko on that. | 08:49 |
| rusty | this makes me think we need some kind of simple desktop manager (or whatever the right name is) | 08:50 |
| bspencer | moimart, my code wasn't running | 08:50 |
| bspencer | :-\ | 08:50 |
| moimart | oops :) | 08:51 |
| moimart | what did you do for not getting it running? | 08:51 |
| rusty | agoliveira, or... maybe something like this already exists? | 08:51 |
| bspencer | now I see transparency and my panel, but it crashes about 1sec after display | 08:51 |
| bspencer | I just got that and am trying to figure out the backtrace. | 08:51 |
| moimart | cool | 08:52 |
| moimart | tomorrow ill take a look at the code you sent me | 08:52 |
| bspencer | very. I'll send you new code tonight if I get stuck. | 08:52 |
| moimart | ok even better :) | 08:52 |
| agoliveira | rusty: It deppends on what you want. You can just auto-login to a default account and start the enviromment right away. | 08:53 |
| rusty | agoliveira, and how do we do that? | 08:54 |
| rusty | agoliveira, are you just suggesting writing a startup script that calls startx with a .xinitrc file in the user directory that launches the session elements? | 08:55 |
| agoliveira | rusty: Well, I'm a little rusty (pun intended :) ) on that but back in the old days one could tap into inittab to do that. | 08:55 |
| rusty | agoliveira, but... with inittab you were calling a display manager... not just directly starting X | 08:56 |
| rusty | display manager... that's the term i was looking for before | 08:56 |
| agoliveira | rusty: IIRC it wasn't that way before but, as I said, I don't know how this is done nowadays. | 08:57 |
| rusty | in current ubuntu (at least in feisty and gutsy), you have a GNOME Display Manager init script | 08:58 |
| rusty | in the past you had something like "x:5:once:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon" in inittab | 08:58 |
| rusty | where prefdm would just find the correct display manager | 08:59 |
| agoliveira | rusty: Yes, GDM is there | 08:59 |
| rusty | but i'm guessing gdm is a bit overkill for what we need | 09:00 |
| agoliveira | rusty: exactly, just a startx of some form should suffice. | 09:01 |
| rusty | I'm tempted to just go an create a super simple display manager that for now is just a init script that sources stuff in a standard location (to allow other packages to add whatever), reads a config file (to get things like 'auto login bob), and then calls startx | 09:01 |
| tko | gpe had a login screen of sorts.. no idea how reusable it might be | 09:02 |
| agoliveira | rusty: I guess that would be ok. | 09:02 |
| jacob-laptop | BenC, amitk, i am trying to tag the release for poulsbo patches, it gave me the following error, can you take a look? | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/jpan9-git-tree$ git-tag -s -m Ubuntu-2.6.22-6.21 Ubuntu-2.6.22-6.21 | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | gpg: skipped "jacob <jacob@putvin.dp.intel.com>": secret key not available | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | gpg: signing failed: secret key not available | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | failed to sign the tag with GPG. | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/jpan9-git-tree$ git-tag -s -m Ubuntu-2.6.22-6.21 Ubuntu-2.6.22-6.21 | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | gpg: skipped "jacob <jacob@putvin.dp.intel.com>": secret key not available | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | gpg: signing failed: secret key not available | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | failed to sign the tag with GPG. | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/jpan9-git-tree$ gpg --list-keys jacob | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | pub 1024D/DEF6F140 2007-06-21 | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | uid jacob pan (public key) <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com> | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | sub 2048g/B2A1D012 2007-06-21 | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | pub 1024D/3192912B 2007-06-21 | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | uid jacob (public key) <jacob@putvin.dp.intel.com> | 09:11 |
| jacob-laptop | sub 2048g/A9EB4A9D 2007-06-21 | 09:11 |
| tko | umm, you're missing the secret key | 09:12 |
| tko | gpg --list-secret-keys | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/jpan9-git-tree$ gpg --list-secret-keys | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | /home/jacob/.gnupg/secring.gpg | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | ------------------------------ | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | sec 1024D/DEF6F140 2007-06-21 | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | uid jacob pan (public key) <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com> | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | ssb 2048g/B2A1D012 2007-06-21 | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | sec 1024D/3192912B 2007-06-21 | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | uid jacob (public key) <jacob@putvin.dp.intel.com> | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | ssb 2048g/A9EB4A9D 2007-06-21 | 09:13 |
| jacob-laptop | tko: does it look right? | 09:14 |
| tko | other that the difference of " (public key)" can't really see a problem.. I don't know how git picks the key | 09:15 |
| tko | you could try passing "-u 3192912B" to git-tag | 09:16 |
| jacob-laptop | tko: did you use "gpg --gen-key " ? | 09:16 |
| tko | I haven't used git with gp | 09:16 |
| tko | g | 09:16 |
| jacob-laptop | tko: it is in ubuntu kernel guide, it suggest tag the release for submitting patches | 09:17 |
| jacob-laptop | ok, i used -u option in git tag and it works | 09:20 |
| jacob-laptop | jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/jpan9-git-tree$ git-tag -u jacob -s -m Ubuntu-2.6.22-6.21 Ubuntu-2.6.22-6.21 | 09:20 |
| jacob-laptop | You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for | 09:20 |
| jacob-laptop | user: "jacob pan (public key) <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com>" | 09:20 |
| jacob-laptop | 1024-bit DSA key, ID DEF6F140, created 2007-06-21 | 09:20 |
| jacob-laptop | tko: thanks | 09:20 |
| tko | uhh.. stupid git.. it should know to skip the realname of the mail address IMO | 09:20 |
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| BenC | jacob-laptop: you don't tag releases | 09:37 |
| BenC | jacob-laptop: we'll tag them when we do an upload | 09:37 |
| BenC | jacob-laptop: tagging is for uploading to the archive...to submit patches, just commit them and send a pull request to kernel-team | 09:38 |
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| agoliveira | BIG FAT WARNING: There's a bug in the hildon-desktop package. If you install it on a real Gutsy, it will send your menus to heck. I just screwd up my notebook. | 09:59 |
| stgraber | agoliveira: really ? When does that happen ? | 09:59 |
| stgraber | I installed it on my gutsy test computer a minute ago and it seems to work | 10:00 |
| agoliveira | stgraber: Just now. I have being using chroots so far and was all ok. | 10:00 |
| agoliveira | stgraber:Well, I'll see later. Meeting now. | 10:01 |
| matt_c | agoliveira: ahh I thought that might have been unrelated to ubuntu-mobile, thanks for the heads up :) | 10:07 |
| agoliveira | matt_c: No it's bug in the hildon-desktop package. It's replacing the gnome menus. I'll fix that until tomorrow. | 10:09 |
| matt_c | agoliveira: no problem at all, I was just checking it out inside a VM. | 10:09 |
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| cfj | Ben and/or Jacob: Did the patches get in?? | 10:16 |
| anode | newbie question: what's the best way to download the code and start playing with it? | 10:21 |
| agoliveira | anode: For the source, launchpad. | 10:21 |
| matt_c | anode: I was playing with it last night by downloading gutsy tribe 1, installing ubuntu-mobile and then running it over on a Xephyr session | 10:22 |
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| agoliveira | anode: If you just want start and play, check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure | 10:23 |
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| matt_c | Indeed, that's what I used after apt-get installing ubuntu-mobile | 10:24 |
| anode | thanks agoliveira and matt_c, starting to make sense now. | 10:24 |
| anode | what's the main expected target hardware? Intel devices or nokia? | 10:26 |
| anode | I have a nokia n800 | 10:26 |
| agoliveira | anode: For now, Intel LPIA | 10:28 |
| jacob-laptop | Ben, cfj , i tagged and uploaded kernel git, I also sent an email to kernel-team for you to pull | 10:28 |
| matt_c | I'm excited about running ubuntu-mobile on plain old x86 hardware. | 10:35 |
| happycube | i can't wait to get something silverthorne based | 10:35 |
| happycube | ^ 45nm pentium-m, 2w, 2500 dies/300mm wafer | 10:35 |
| anode | so is anyone testing with a nokia n800? | 10:35 |
| happycube | i don't think nokia releases enough info to do a fully independent build | 10:35 |
| happycube | there are parts of the hw that are closed :( | 10:35 |
| happycube | or *were* | 10:35 |
| happycube | ^ can someone fact-check that? | 10:35 |
| anode | happycube: which parts are closed? Or were? | 10:35 |
| etrunko | happycube, anode: there is an independent initiative following the openmoko model | 10:37 |
| happycube | sweet - website? | 10:37 |
| happycube | i'd love to have an independent build on my 770 | 10:37 |
| etrunko | http://osmtc.indt.org/projects/mamona | 10:37 |
| lucasr | etrunko, couldn't track be less ugly? | 10:38 |
| etrunko | lucasr: don't think so | 10:39 |
| lucasr | etrunko, :-) | 10:39 |
| etrunko | it's just the default theme | 10:39 |
| etrunko | :) | 10:39 |
| etrunko | our designers are too busy atm | 10:39 |
| lucasr | etrunko, everyone just uses this default theme | 10:39 |
| lucasr | :-) | 10:39 |
| etrunko | lucasr: heh | 10:39 |
| etrunko | happycube: vivijim has blogged about a presentation he did this week. it's in planet maemo | 10:40 |
| anode | I take it there are a lot of intel guys and gals around here? | 10:41 |
| rusty | yeap... a few of us | 10:41 |
| lucasr | this channel is getting really crowded | 10:43 |
| happycube | i've been thinking about intel's 2008 lineup... this segment could really explode ;) | 10:44 |
| happycube | esp if you count asus eee's and things like that... | 10:44 |
| anode | so if anyone outside intel wants to contribute, what _available_ embedded hardware is there to run on ? | 10:47 |
| matt_c | anode: an old Pentium laptop? :) | 10:47 |
| rusty | the existing lineup of what vendors have called UMPC's | 10:48 |
| anode | matt_c: my pockets are too small | 10:48 |
| matt_c | heh | 10:48 |
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| anode | rusty: the "I'll try to run Vista if it kills me, or burns your hand" UMPCs. Though the idea was to use cool efficient linux to get away from those beasts.... | 10:50 |
| happycube | yeah | 10:50 |
| happycube | they can probably be reprogrammed | 10:50 |
| happycube | i hope amd can get something together for this space - we need the competition - but they won't and maybe even can't! | 10:51 |
| rusty | the existing UMPC's are pretty bulky and the battery life sucks... but they help our for GUI / infrastructure development | 10:51 |
| happycube | they're talking about an answer to santa rosa next year, lol... and of course no linux user would want it because they won't support linux anywhere near as well ;) | 10:51 |
| matt_c | Via's new *-ITX is pretty small too. | 10:51 |
| happycube | yeah | 10:51 |
| happycube | i think via's closer... silverthorne screams "c7 killer" | 10:51 |
| happycube | via should've gone to integrated north bridges a year ago... they have a nice small-footprint cpu and a huge nb by comparison | 10:52 |
| agoliveira | I've heard some horror histories about linux on C7. Never got my hand one one tough. | 10:52 |
| happycube | i haven't tried either | 10:52 |
| matt_c | I have an old mini-itx that ran debian well | 10:53 |
| happycube | i sooo wish via was selling mini-itx boards for $50-100 | 10:53 |
| happycube | when they first came out the boards were dirt cheap... but they never came down and the rest of the world did | 10:54 |
| happycube | asus has a box with mobo+case+psu for $75 at 'egg | 10:54 |
| happycube | (unfortunatly via cheaped on capacitors... epia-original had sanyo... epia-m had gsc... near 100% failure rate!) | 10:55 |
| happycube | they got better eventually, but ouch. | 10:55 |
| happycube | (re gsc... i don't think sanyo had a bad batch ;) ) | 10:56 |
| happycube | anyhow i'm looking forward to $200 laptops and $400-500 ultramobiles | 10:56 |
| ppc | where can i find general architecure / sys design or something like about ubuntu mobile please ? | 11:21 |
| ppc | hello | 11:22 |
| anode | so is ubuntu-mobile definitely intel only or do nokia n800 owners have a place here ? | 11:23 |
| etrunko | anode: i think we have a place here because they share (almost) the same infrastructure | 11:24 |
| rusty | anode, the initial focus is on LPIA hardware, but the project is not exclusive to x86 architectures.... btw, wouldn't the first step be getting a ubuntu arm port? | 11:24 |
| rusty | etrunko, that is true | 11:25 |
| tko | putting money where the mouth is or something.. :) | 11:25 |
| anode | seems to me that since the n800 is out there already a port should not be too hard | 11:26 |
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| _gpg_ | got disconnecfed | 11:30 |
| _gpg_ | i was asking where can i find any syste/module designs or system architecure of ubuntu mobile | 11:31 |
| _gpg_ | i'm working on realtime embedded systems for automative systems and wanted to contribute to gnome mobile, the mailing list seems to be discontinued | 11:32 |
| tko | _gpg_: which list? | 11:33 |
| _gpg_ | tko gnome for mobile device mobile-devel-list@gnome.org | 11:34 |
| tko | oh, it's just quiet | 11:34 |
| _gpg_ | tko the latests one i read wasnt encouraging | 11:35 |
| _gpg_ | well | 11:35 |
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| _gpg_ | good night | 11:45 |
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