=== asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [12:38] agoliveira, thx [12:40] bspencer_: My pleasure dude! BTW, are any of you going to the LinuxWorld Conference and Expo in SF? There will be a mobile track there. [12:40] IMO hildon-desktop shouldn't depend on sapwood.. it might depend on any "hildon compatible" theme. if the theme uses sapwood the that theme needs to depend on gtk2-engines-sapwood [12:41] tko: That's an interesting idea. Tool bad I have no idea how to package this :P but we can plan something. [12:42] agoliveira: we have our theme dependency in higher level metapackage [12:43] tko: Yes. I meant that I have no idea if we would keep this way or do it diferently. [12:44] I'm remembering a discussion we had internally and I think we should probably add a virtual hildon-theme dependency and let plankton and other theme packages provide it [12:45] but then again, it's just cosmetics... [12:48] if hildon-desktop needs a theme (but doesn't care which) add a depends on sapwood | hildon-theme and have sapwood (and any other themes) provide hildon-theme. [12:52] sapwood is just the engine [01:02] Mithrandir: I think that mix sapwood with the theme is not a good idea. === sabotage is now known as sabotage_afk === jacob_ [n=jacob@jffwpr02.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [01:17] BenC, i created /srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git, but i got error trying to push my changes [01:18] BenC, the error is error: remote 'refs/heads/origin' is not a strict subset of local ref 'refs/heads/origin'. maybe you are not up-to-date and need to pull first? [01:19] jacob_: how did you create jpan9-git-tree on zinc? [01:19] following the KernelGitGuide [01:19] jacob_: Are you trying to push your local Linus based tree to it? [01:19] or is your local tree based on our gutsy tree? [01:20] git-clone -l -n -s /srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git [01:20] yes, it is. i did a pull [01:20] No, I mean the tree you are pushing from [01:20] jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git pull ssh://jpan9@kernel.ubuntu.com/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git [01:20] Already up-to-date. [01:20] ah, so you cloned, pulled, committed changes, and are trying to push? [01:21] well, I mean you cloned on zinc, cloned that locally, committed, and then push [01:21] the only glich might be i cloned from our local copy that rob created, [01:21] ah, that's it [01:21] before i got access to zinc [01:21] git-fetch origin; git-rebase origin [01:22] I rebase to Linux tree every so often (soon to be on a schedule) [01:22] so it throws off the history [01:22] s/Linux/Linus/ [01:24] not sure how your tree is, but might have to use full URI: git-fetch zinc.ubuntu.com:/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy master:ubuntu-gutsy; git-rebase ubuntu-gutsy [01:24] let me try [01:28] still have the same problem [01:28] jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git-fetch jpan9@zinc.ubuntu.com:/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy master:ubuntu-gutsy; [01:28] jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git-rebase ubuntu-gutsy [01:28] Current branch master is up to date. [01:28] jacob@putvin:~/localDev/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy$ git push ssh://jpan9@kernel.ubuntu.com/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git [01:28] error: remote 'refs/heads/origin' is not a strict subset of local ref 'refs/heads/origin'. maybe you are not up-to-date and need to pull first? === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [01:28] hmm..how can it be up-to-date and not be a subset :/ [01:29] oh, it's only complaining about origin [01:30] for got to pull again, so the push works now. thanks [01:33] BenC: can you be around for an update on the mobile kernel, tomorrow, at 1600 UTC? [01:43] Mithrandir: luckily that happens to be an hour before I have 3 catch-up calls with kernel team [01:43] Mithrandir: this channel? [01:43] Oh, wait, tomorrow is Thu [01:43] ok, still open [01:44] BenC: yes, as in about 16 hours. [01:44] great, thanks. [01:44] I'll invite amit too [01:44] update as in, I'd like an update on what's happening there, particularly with the spec. [01:44] Kyle is the drafter, but he's on VAC [01:45] amit is supposed to be taking things over, but I've talked to kyle a bit and should have some info for you [01:45] ok, thanks. [02:00] Mithrandir: damnit, my head is mis calculating UTC to local...I have an engineering call tomorrow with a vendor at 16:00 UTC [02:01] can you get amitk up to speed and ask him to attend on behalf of the kernel team then? [02:01] Mithrandir: I'll email status to amit and let him present [02:01] thanks [02:01] I can still sit in and try to answer while on the phone [02:02] if you could, that'd be great [02:14] agoliveira: Mithrandir, tko : but the point Mithrandir made is a good one. Have the theme pkg provide hildon-theme [02:14] and hildon-desktop dependsd on hildon-theme [02:14] the plankton pkg would have the sapwood dependency [02:15] (plankton being a nokia default theme) [02:17] you want to have hildon-desktop depend on plankton-theme | hildon-theme though so it knows a reasonable default === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:21] as a reasonable default, I agree. === vivijim [n=vivijim@189.13.207.130] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:42] Mithrandir, agoliveira : sure, until we have the MID-Ubuntu theme done. [02:42] or whatever. [02:44] sure, at that point we can flip the default [02:47] Ok, deal. === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:09] tko: moimart can you confirm that the latest svn is: http://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop/hildon-desktop/ ? [03:10] agoliveira: where do we pull from for the hildon-1-0 pkg? === feig [n=ejf3@c-24-63-185-215.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:19] 134.134.16.127 [03:19] (bob's IP adder) [03:19] scratch === rusty_ waits for bob to post other private information, like his atm number [03:20] credit card number: 3234 2311 4444 2122 [03:20] bspencer: is your question about where to pull from where launchpad pulls from or what URL you should us to get the bzr checkout of what's in hildon-1-0? [03:21] Mithrandir: I am working on adding new functionality to libhildondesktop [03:21] I was working off source from maemo svn [03:21] but wanted to be sure I was working on the tip. Then I was curious where we pull our source from. [03:22] we have branched off their trunk at some point, but will regularly resynchronise with their trunk. [03:22] how does the normal process work in this regard? [03:22] I assume I send them my code, then ubuntu syncs now and then [03:22] that's one way to do it, yes. [03:23] but maybe I should be making changes to ubuntu code, then push it to them later [03:23] or you could develop it in a bzr branch [03:23] libhildondesktop is in hildon-desktop, right? [03:23] Mithrandir: I like that. It means that my changes don't have to be accepted by Nokia immediately [03:23] bspencer: That would be the better way I guess. [03:24] Mithrandir: Insomnia striking today? :) [03:24] I think that libhildon-1-dev contains the "hildon-desktop" code. [03:24] agoliveira: nah, debconf. Hacking. :-) [03:25] Guys, I'm leaving. See you tomorrow; [03:25] agoliveira: something vaguely related to -mobile even; not necessary yet, but certainly for mobile stuff: exclusion support for dpkg. 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[05:24] you are correct [05:24] 1600 UTC [05:24] so in about 36 minutes === tko_ [n=tkomulai@jabber.hst.ru] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] [05:26] ok...i am not imagining things then, great === doko [i=doko@conference/debconf/x-c6257f8fdf1e923d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === |moimart| [n=kvirc@a88-115-27-99.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:57] hm, so who are here already? === agoliveira waives === amitk filling in for benc === agoliveira grumbles - I'm really need a good night sleep today! [05:58] howdy [05:59] agoliveira: you and me both. 3.5 hours after a night of hacking isn't enough === BenC is here, but on conf call === Snig178 [n=owen@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:59] kwwii: Yo! How's the flight back? [06:00] No Intel people around? I know Bob is logged in. [06:01] haven't seen them today. [06:01] agoliveira: long but not too bad [06:01] kwwii: Same. [06:01] agoliveira: no customs problems? :-) === cfj [n=cfj@jffwpr04.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:03] hi Charles [06:03] kwwii: No. I just passed trough. But I was well in the allowance anyway. [06:03] kwwii: Not counting the watch, of course :P [06:04] hehe, sweet - I picked up a camera in the meantime [06:04] <|moimart|> im here :) [06:04] Hi - This is Charlie Johnson from Intel. Tollef misidentified me in his agenda. [06:04] cfj: oops, apologies. [06:04] cfj: seen Bob and the others yet? [06:04] They don't site close to me, so I haven't seen them [06:04] kwwii: I knew you wouldn't resist :) === ferulo [n=fherrera@a88-115-27-99.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:06] Are we expecting Tollef to be on to walk thru the agenda? [06:06] Yes, I guess so. [06:07] Tollef: Need any help? [06:07] I'm waiting a little bit to see if Bob and Rusty shows up [06:07] Ah, ok. [06:07] oh well, we'll start now and they can chime in later. [06:07] - Hildon packaging update (Tollef Fog Heen/Adilson Oliveira) [06:07] - Flash image creation (Rusty ) [06:07] - Kernel and hardware support (Ben Collins) [06:07] - UI, utilities (Bob Spencer) [06:07] - Graphics (Charlie Spencer) [06:07] - Build infrastructure (Tollef Fog Heen) [06:07] - GNOME components (Bob Spencer) [06:07] - Ownerless specs: - UI guide - Browser - Media player UI - Hardware media decoding - USB client - Development environment [06:07] - Goals for the next week [06:08] Fine to me. [06:08] anybody got any additions to the agenda? [06:09] Yes - MID Wireless Device Support & Kernel Patches for Thermal optimizations [06:10] I also would like Intel rep to talk about the devices a bit, just to let the others know the current situation. [06:10] If there is any new, of course. [06:10] Which type of devices? [06:10] Or do you mean platforms? [06:10] Sorry, platforms... [06:10] I can do that. [06:11] Cool. [06:11] ok, let's get started then. [06:11] Adilson, can you give us an update on the current state of the hildon packages? [06:11] Sure. [06:11] (relative to two weeks ago) === rusty [n=rusty@jffwpr02.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:12] I totally spaced on the Thursday morning irc meeting thing [06:12] sorry...some talk about docs would be good too if there is time [06:12] rusty: my fault, I was supposed to send the mail a bit earlier, but debconf foiled me. [06:12] ian_brasil: good point. [06:13] rusty: any idea if Bob's showing up? [06:13] We were able to put all the bits and pieces on the repository to one can use thme on Gutsy. There is a bugs yet but as a first set of packages is fine. I have being trying to reorganize them but it is just not feasible to mess this around right now. I fixing the -dev packages and will have it done probably today yet. [06:13] I bet he forgot... I have email from him till 2 in the morning [06:14] Has anyone tried to root cause the bug where clicking on the menu icon will crash hildon-desktop? [06:14] agoliveira: that sounds like great progress. So you can run a hildon desktop now and have applications display on it? [06:14] Yes :) [06:14] Since last week actually. === sabotage confirms this [06:15] that's great; it should unblock the intel people who want to build stuff using hildon too, I hope. [06:15] agoliveira: is there any packaging stuff in hildon bits that should be considered to be merged upstream? [06:15] Mithrandir, yes, we are good for app development [06:16] agoliveira: what's left before we can consider the initial sprint for packages done? [06:16] ferulo: Right now, I guess not. [06:16] ferulo: probably all of it, I'd say. [06:16] more or less. [06:16] Mithrandir, but we do have a nasty bug where the desktop crashes when you click on the icon that should provide the application menu [06:16] I would prefer to mature it abit yet. [06:17] rusty: sounds like something that should be fairly easy to track down using valgrind. [06:17] ok, so do you plan to submit bugs upstream or pointing us to relevant changes? or should we track your bzr repos? [06:17] Mithrandir: With the dev packages working, I think we are ok for a first round. [06:17] agoliveira: ok, good. [06:17] Mithrandir, Horace (in Shanghi) was attempting to track it down last night. [06:18] ferulo: I think we want to submit it as bugs upstream, but if you would rather track bzr that would of course make it even easier for us. [06:18] Mithrandir, i think with the gtk update from mid-last week, we dropped the a gtk patch that we depend on that allows custom file picker dialog windows [06:18] hmm, ok. [06:18] we need to fix that [06:19] agoliveira: can you check whether it's still there, and if not, talk to Daniel or Seb to get it back again? [06:19] Mithrandir: Sure. [06:19] thanks. [06:20] anybody got anything more about the packaging update? If not, we'll proceed to flash image creating [06:20] creation, even [06:20] Mithrandir: IIRC, it is there yet but I'll double check it. [06:20] agoliveira, are you talking about the gtk patch? [06:20] Yes [06:21] agoliveira, if the patch is there then we have a new bug that you can reproduce by attempting to open any file picker [06:21] agoliveira, for example... open the dialog to set the background and pick the "browse" button, and watch hildon-desktop crash [06:22] ok, that needs to be fixed. [06:22] it's just that the bug showed up the first time i created a new chroot that used the new gtk [06:22] rusty: I'll see that as soon as we finish here. [06:22] rusty: can you give us an update on the image creation tools? [06:22] the spec's still drafting, what's missing there? [06:23] hmm, all of it, it seems. :-P [06:23] i'm behind on writting the spec [06:23] but the code is up in bzr === bspencer [n=bob@c-67-189-96-91.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:23] hi Bob [06:23] hey [06:23] <|moimart|> rusty: if the problem is in the hildon filechooser hildon-desktop can use gtkfilechooser [06:23] last week i created a new project called 'project-builder' [06:23] rusty: when do you think you can have the spec written up by? Do you need help with it? [06:23] moimart, glad you are around [06:24] <|moimart|> :) [06:24] Mithrandir, i planed on finishing it this week... i just need to make myself finish it === bspencer thinks moimart wishes he had left already [06:24] moimart, I sent you a reply with all the info I could think of to be useful [06:24] rusty: ok, good. Anything you need from anybody else for that to happen? [06:25] <|moimart|> bspencer: ill have a look [06:25] Mithrandir, i think i'm good... as soon as I push another fix this morning then the tool can create images that boot on a samsung q1 ultra [06:25] well... other then i need to add a new package that contains the specific samsung configuration [06:26] rusty, did you figure out the touchscreen config? [06:26] rusty: that's really good news. [06:26] bspencer, no, i'm still having problems configuring the touchscreen [06:27] the new samsung device has some challenges... like a usb camera that doesn't seem to have a driver yet [06:27] and the wireless is the Atheros AR5006X... i'm not sure if a driver exist for that just yet [06:27] wireless connectivity is overrated [06:27] everybody is pugging in these days [06:28] s/pugging/plugging [06:28] heh [06:28] Isnst' this Atheros AR5006X the same as the macbooks? [06:28] I'm not sure... i haven't had time to investigate [06:29] If it is, there's drivers. [06:29] Rusty - Any update from Mauri as to when Q1 Ultras will ship to Canonical? [06:29] I keep hearing next week for the last 3 weeks. [06:30] We are got our first delivery of a few systems, and some more are starting to trickle in [06:31] We are looking into the right way to ship these devices without having the recipients having to pick up the import tax === agoliveira cries thinking about 60% of a Q1 Ultra [06:31] so far... at the very least we will ship to a site in the specific location, and then reship domestic [06:31] Shipping knows how to do this. We shipped stuff to Tungsten Graphics all the time. (i.e. Alan is in the UK.) [06:32] cfj, you mean where we pickup the tax? [06:33] it seems like the image builder is having good progress, so I suggest we move onto the kernel and hardware support, as well as MID wireless device support & kernel patches for thermal optimisations. === jacob-laptop [n=jpan9@jffwpr02.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:33] and while I'm looking forward to getting my hand on a device, we can handle that after the meeting? [06:33] It has to do with how you designate the device. Something like claiming it is a prototype. [06:33] Agreed. [06:33] I can ask around to find out the details. [06:34] BenC,amitk: kernel update? === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:34] mithrandir: right. So there are two components [06:34] the UME kernel configuration and the actual LPIA patches [06:35] the kernel configuration is being worked on by Kyle who is on vacation this week. [06:35] amitk: hi, i put my git repo at /srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git [06:35] I hope to start working with him when he is back [06:36] amitk: When is this? [06:36] coming the the patches... jacob-laptop: I looked at those. [06:37] agoliveira: next week if I understood benc correctly [06:37] agoliveira: he'll be back Monday, I suspect, he's here at Debconf [06:37] Oh, fine. [06:37] How does it look getting the patches into the kernel for CD#2 at the end of the month? [06:37] what needs doing for the spec to be approved? [06:37] jacob-laptop: could you go over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide and clean up the patches accordingly [06:38] cfj: we'd need the patches this week, the latest. [06:38] Tribe-2 has a deadline of Tue [06:38] and I'm not sure we can make that, but we'll try [06:38] More specifically, read the Patch acceptance criteria [06:38] Jacob - What else needs to happen. We've had these patches for a bit? [06:39] bad part about the kernel is we have 3-4 dependent packages that have to be compiled behind it, so we need more lead time to do the upload than other packages [06:40] excuse me for one minute: someone is ringging... let me kick he/she out! [06:40] What's the minimum to allow it to boot & Run on a Menlow ?? (PATA, LPC, SMBUS ??) [06:40] i will do the clean up and some fixes, this was the initial version did in a hurry. [06:40] jacob-laptop: thanks [06:40] don't need any patch to boot. [06:40] but using pata patch will let you boot faster [06:41] amitk: do you know if Kyle needs anything to complete the spec, or if it's just blocked on time? [06:41] it enables DMA [06:41] PATA, not a USB drive. === agoliveira is back [06:42] mithrandir: I don't. But i think it was time. [06:42] ok [06:42] I can prod him gently when I see him next. [06:42] So again, is there anything else Intel needs to do for these core chipset patches ?? Is just Ubuntu/Canonical processing at this point? [06:43] there is no patch for ECHI USB [06:43] EHCI [06:43] Mithrandir: Good idea... he's about twice your size :) [06:44] We don't have to wait for that. (EHCI) === yerga [n=user@87.223.210.196] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:45] cfj: you had an item about wireless device support and kernel patches for thermal optimisations. What is there to say about them? [06:45] cfj: we will continue developing patches for the chipset. No EHCI patch afaik. [06:46] jacob-laptop: Do you have a time estimate on the reworked patches? [06:46] Currently, those patches are only distributed to Ubuntu. [06:47] amitk: if you refer to the clean up, i can do it today. [06:47] Mithrandir: I can take the wireless and thermal topic to email. I'd rather address graphics today. [06:47] ok [06:47] great [06:48] amitk: other than commit template what else should i do? [06:48] jacob-laptop: I'm putting you up as responsible for cleaning up the patches so they are suitable for Ubuntu [06:48] jacob-laptop: ok? [06:49] So again - Does Canonical need anything more from Intel as far as the core chipset patches ?? [06:49] jacob-laptop: actually, _before_ the template, you need to cleanup whitespace. Run the patches through the scripts mentioned on the link above [06:49] Mithrandir: ok. i will make sure patches follow the UbuntuKernelGuide [06:50] amitk: can you answer cfj's question? === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:51] cfj: if nothing else is required for boot, then nothing else is required from Intel. BenC might be able to correct me here... [06:51] then I suggest we move on to UI and utilities; Bob? [06:51] yes [06:51] a quick status from last week [06:52] perhaps you already discussed, sorry I was late [06:52] what's the status, do you need help for getting the specs through to approved? [06:52] we had a productive meeting with Nokia, which helped a lot [06:52] no, we didn't. [06:52] during the Desktop Architects meeting at googleplex [06:52] I think for Hildon framework, most packages are in repo and working === agoliveira sighs remembering the food... [06:52] although I think the -dev packages aren't quite there. [06:53] at least I can't install hildon-desktop-dev yet [06:53] Mithrandir: I have to bail out of the meeting at the top of the hour. I can include graphics in my email with the other topics. [06:53] bspencer: Right, being taken care. [06:53] agoliveira, said he would work on this a little this week, iirc [06:53] cfj: ok, thanks. [06:53] great. [06:53] wrt the specs, I am delinquent but will repent [06:53] I have the information for at least the main UI and have shared this with Ken and others, but need to update the site [06:54] ok, good. [06:54] utilities -- we should discuss [06:54] not sure exactly what that entails, aside from getting the control panel and status bar working [06:54] and writing some "how-to-create-a-plugin" documentation [06:54] but I will work on that too. [06:54] bspencer: About those docs you have being writting with Moises. Are you going to put it up? [06:54] yes [06:54] Cool [06:54] mainly they are just API description and a UML chart. [06:55] and whatever I think I've learned. [06:55] that's a good start [06:55] I try to get these in by Monday evening. [06:55] (not sure what the deadline is other than asap) [06:56] that's all I have, unless there are questions. [06:56] well, before we have the specs approved, we don't actually have a project plan, which is slightly problematic wrt an agreement between Canonical and Intel. [06:56] as well as being problematic since we don't know what we need to do and have the tools we need to use for plannig [06:56] <|moimart|> bspencer: it would be good to have those docs, because the releasing of our documentation is still open [06:56] Mithrandir, good point. [06:57] moimart, ok. [06:57] We should discuss project plan - A separate working meeting on that topic be good. [06:58] the specs are really the project plan [06:59] ok, Charlie has to go, so we'll skip the Graphics item on the agenda and move on to Build infrastructure. [06:59] We need to talk about actually schedules. When we expect the various items in the specs to be integrated. At least have targets. [06:59] btw, we're slowly collecting ideas for hildon roadmap at http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/Roadmap .. if you have some ideas, especially if you're considering doing things yourself, feel free to add them there. we can then have a roadmap discussion at some point on hildon-list [06:59] cfj: ok, we can meet up early next week to discuss that? [07:00] tko, thanks for the heads-up. we might like to propose something with our marquee (panel) and maybe an additional widget or two (off the top of my head). [07:00] I have to do: Two last comments : HW Media Accel and USB Client should be owned by me. (Charlie Johnson) and yes we can meet early next week. [07:00] I don't really have anything to report wrt build infrastructure, I've been on vacation and therefore haven't prodded the relevant people. Prodding will resume shortly and we should have a beginning archive by next week, I hope. [07:00] s/do/go/ [07:00] cfj: ok, thanks for your time. :-) [07:00] Bye cfj [07:01] which brings us back to Bob again, on the GNOME components. [07:01] <|moimart|> bspencer: having open plugins is a very good idea as i told you [07:01] bspencer: the spec here is also empty; do you have a plan to share with us which can go into the spec? [07:02] moimart, sure. [07:02] Mithrandir, the spec was intended to describe what parts of Gnome mobile we would want to include in the distribution [07:02] at this point I only know of the components that are needed by specific applications [07:03] not sure if just includig all gnome mobile is desirable [07:03] or if we take it an application at a time -- just including what they really need. [07:03] but that may be the work of someone creating a product, not the distribution [07:03] so I can write this spec quickly, just saying that it will have the gnome mobile components and include a picture from gnome.org/mobile [07:03] bspencer: I was just about to say that depends on whether you're producing a platform or product [07:03] comments? [07:04] tko, agreed. [07:04] this brings up a bigger question which is who/when do we decide what is part of this distribution? [07:05] I've always had the impression of us being a platform more than just a product. [07:06] ... and so being able to be multiple products, etc [07:06] Mithrandir: some of the recent feedback/e-mails to the list seem to back this up too [07:07] I'm happy by basically deferring the decision to GMAE and pick their components and whatever extras we need [07:07] does that sound good? [07:07] it is the best we can do today. [07:07] and we can adjust it as need dictates [07:08] ok, can you write up the spec with that as the basis? [07:08] yes [07:08] thanks [07:08] any more on GNOME components? If not, we'll move on to documentation. [07:08] ian_brasil: the floor is yours. :-) [07:09] well i just wanted to find out about the best way to document things [07:09] if there is something planned or not [07:09] I have just been documenting things in an ad-hoc way so far [07:10] what kind of documentation are we talking about? [07:10] so some planning will help for sure [07:10] well for example there was some interest in pyphantom [07:10] so i documeted the source code [07:11] basically API documentation and user guides [07:12] but more importantly how can it be done in a uniform way [07:12] using as much available infrastructure as possible [07:13] it sounds like something that should be taken upstream, so going with maemo prefers to use for API docs [07:14] I can definitely see a bunch of ad-hoc documentation written making it hard for people to find what they are looking for [07:15] like... what's up with this Samsung Q1 Ultra, what works, who is tackling what, etc. [07:15] rusty: well it is sort of like this now...i just write up what takes my fancy basically which is good for me but maybe not for the whole UME [07:15] yeah, though that's less about API docs and more about end-user docs, or developer docs [07:16] end-user docs? Product docs? [07:17] whatever the docs, i do recognizes from past projects that this could snow ball into a mass of random documents making it pretty unusable [07:17] yes, I think we want to make sure we avoid that === ian_brasil nods vigorously [07:18] ian_brasil, so are you thinking on the lines of a structured ubuntu-mobile guide? [07:18] well something like that yes [07:19] I say just go for it; what do you need from the rest of us? [07:19] if we had that, then for the upstream API documentation we could at least have a standard way of linking to the upstream documentaion (be it gnome, maemo, etc) [07:20] sounds like a plan to me. [07:20] ian_brasil: agreed? Can you write that up as a spec? [07:20] well....i would like to use the django comment system for building the actual docs [07:21] as it is so easy to get other peoples input [07:21] but some help with the structure as well [07:21] like what exactly to document [07:21] I'm not familiar with it. [07:21] is it http://www.djangoproject.com/ ? [07:23] no the django book...i put something here http://proddingthe.net/ as an experiment [07:23] this is the django book code [07:24] and it allows you to comment on individual parts within a chapter [07:24] I suggest you raise it on the list and try to get people to contribute there; While I absolutely agree we need docs, I'm not sure what more we can get done in this meeting. === doko [i=doko@conference/debconf/x-b20c830e5a8d5de6] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira thinks next time we need a smaller agenda or bigger time slot :) [07:24] agoliveira: smaller agenda, hopefully [07:24] ok...i will write up something then [07:25] thanks [07:25] let's move on, then [07:25] we have a bunch of ownerless specs [07:25] this is obviously bad. === bspencer hopes they won't become his... [07:26] as far as the UI stuff goes, I could help keep it up to date etc. [07:26] - UI guide [07:26] - Browser [07:26]