[01:29] <gnomefreak> night
[02:37] <gnomefreak> asac: why did you un mark bug 119038 as a dupe of bug 121352 they are same issue
[02:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119038 in enigmail "Key management broken after Thunderbird upgrade" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119038
[02:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121352 in thunderbird "OpenPGP Keymanagement does not work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121352
[04:34] <genti> one silly and hopefully simple question
[04:34] <genti> how to restore the certificate authorities in thunderbird?
[04:34] <genti> is there a file with all of them? uninstall, reinstall?
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago_> asac: just saw your message, will have to wait till friday. I'm quite swampped with my own things right now
[08:13] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: did you send the patch for py-lp-bugs' bzr main branch?
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, I didn't commit it though
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i sent the first email with a patch for bughelper. the second one is to py-lp-bugs
[08:21] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: OK, it's that today the state changes has been applied and I didn't see the update in py-lp-bugs :)
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i have the patch, but i don't know how to apply it or anything
[08:34] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: If you filed a bug then that's OK, it will be reviewed and when the confirm it just push it
[08:34] <hjmf> s/the/they
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> sure, i'll do that now
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> my internet is running sooooo slow, its hard to get anything done
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 121501
[08:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121501 in bughelper "bughelper is outdated due to LP update." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121501
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: ^^
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i need to update teh clue files
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 121503
[08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121503 in python-launchpad-bugs "python-launchpad-bugs is outdated due to LP update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121503
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> those two should be fix committed soon
[09:03] <DarkMageZ> hey, is there a way to do advanced firefox session management? like beable to save and restore sessions? so i can close/save firefox now. run afew hundred sessions and then load up this session?
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> afaik, no
[09:04] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: Is that patch against bzr main? This is how it should look
[09:04] <hjmf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26559/
[09:04] <hjmf> notice the set_status method
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> looking not
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: ah i see I missed a whole subroutine
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: maybe you want to show that to thekorn
[09:12] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: Can you just append a new patch with that part to your bug report. That will be enough I have no problem since I've already fixed it at home for  my scripts
[09:12] <hjmf> :)
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> will do
[09:14] <hjmf> ty
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: i'll credit you and it looks like bugnumbers may need a patch
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: good luck on your exams.
[10:39] <asac> ok states have changed ... but no states have been removed
[10:39] <asac> so we don't need to hurry to reinvent the wheel ;)
[10:41] <asac> DarkMageZ: there are extensions for sessions like you ask for iirc
[11:05] <DarkMageZ> i'll have to have a search around the addons area later. thanks.
[12:52] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[12:52] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 21 Jun 14:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers
[01:01] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i tested -trunk a bunch of times in kubuntu and it launches from menu for me, it takes its time but thats due to slow ass pc
[01:02] <gnomefreak> asac: that bug that we were testing yesterday, the laptop(slow pc) the site was around 60% CPU
[01:08] <gnomefreak> asac: wheree is gnash for feisty (where are you hosting it)
[01:08] <gnomefreak> !info gnash feisty
[01:08] <ubotu> gnash: free Flash movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1build1 (feisty), package size 117 kB, installed size 216 kB
[01:18] <gnomefreak> asac: what do you think about official backport for gnash? i can ask backports tea and get them source from the repo if its ok with you.
[01:27] <asac> i have no idea about how backports work
[01:27] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[01:27] <asac> gnomefreak: people.ubuntu.com/~asac/feisty-gnash/
[01:27] <asac> gnomefreak: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/feisty-gnash/
[01:37] <gnomefreak> ok as i was saying before i was killed :( http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/ is where it is
[01:42] <gnomefreak> thats odd :(
[01:42] <gnomefreak> anyway asac do you have any objection to moving meeting maybe a week or 2 later?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> hmmm seems power went out :(
[02:02] <asac> gnomefreak: dunno ... can't you be here?
[02:02] <asac> maybe hjmf as well ... and maybe Jen
[02:02] <gnomefreak> me and you hjmf_ is it afaik
[02:02] <gnomefreak> and you have a meeting right afterwards
[02:02] <asac> yeah ... but that was the idea ;)
[02:03] <gnomefreak> its fine with me if we hold it today just wanted to make sure it was good with you
[02:04] <asac> hjmf: ari said he has never been maintainer of any mplayer package
[02:04] <asac> hjmf: where did you get those lines from?
[02:04] <asac> gnomefreak: sure
[02:04] <asac> we will never be 100%
[02:04] <gnomefreak> true
[02:04] <asac> and people might drop in when they see schedule
[02:09] <hjmf> asac> hjmf: ari said he has never been maintainer of any mplayer package
 hjmf: where did you get those lines from?
[02:09] <hjmf> asac: just apt-get source mozilla-mplayer
[02:09] <hjmf> asac: that was in debian/control
[02:09] <hjmf> asac: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26583/
[02:10] <hjmf> @shedule madrid
[02:10] <hjmf> @schedule madrid
[02:10] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers
[02:11] <hjmf> I'll be in time for the meeting, though I'ml having a busy day
[02:11] <asac> oops
[02:11] <asac> that wasn't for you
[02:11] <asac> :)
[02:11] <asac> ok
[02:12] <asac> hjmf: heroic
[02:12] <asac> hjmf: see you later then
[02:13] <asac> hjmf: if the maintainer field looks like this now:
[02:13] <asac> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[02:13] <asac> Original-Maintainer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>
[02:13] <asac> then yes
[02:13] <asac> XSBC-Original-Maintainer that is of course
[02:13] <hjmf> Ok I'll look then
[02:13] <hjmf> asac: btw, I just fill a bug and that's all? or I do need to tag it some way?
[02:14] <hjmf> s/I do/do I
[02:14] <asac> hjmf: no ... you just file a bug against the source package ... explain that this is a debdiff prepared because of the firefox-addon spec (post link to its blueprints.launchpad.net page)
[02:15] <asac> and then you subscribe (not assign) ubuntu-universe-sponsors ... or ubuntu-main-sponsers
[02:15] <hjmf> asac: ok
[02:15] <asac> push the urls to me so i can review and ackknowledge ... so if i don't sponsor, someone else wil
[02:16] <asac> i willl drop a comment and milestone it for tribe-3 probably
[02:16] <asac> stating that this should not be uploaded before tribe-2 is out
[02:16] <asac> so we can finish most packages and push them right after tribe-2
[02:16] <asac> maybe i won't state that they should wait with upload
[02:16] <asac> if it gets in before tribe-2 ... no problem
[02:17] <asac> shouldn't do any harm anyway
[02:18] <asac> prevu?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> prevu is used to build packages for backports it sets up its own local repo and pbuilder it seems
[02:20] <asac> ah ... sounds cute
[02:22] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:23] <gnomefreak> if i had a .dsc than i wouldnt need prevu :(
[02:26] <hjmf> asac: ok I'll do it in a minute ;)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> this seems kind of ass backwards IMHO
[02:32] <asac> bug 121461
[02:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121461 in gtkmm2.4 "linking problem on i386 vs amd64" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121461
[02:41] <hjmf> asac: 121549
[02:42] <hjmf> asac: bug 121549
[02:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121549 in mplayerplug-in "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121549
[02:43] <hjmf> I'm off, probably till the meeting.
[02:43] <hjmf> cu
[02:43] <asac> hjmf: i still don't understand why you have to change maintainer
[02:43] <asac> did you start with most recent upload?
[02:44] <asac> in 3.40-5ubuntu1 i see with apt-cache show
[02:44] <hjmf> asac: I've download it again right now
[02:44] <asac> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[02:44] <asac> Original-Maintainer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>
[02:46] <hjmf> Des:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse mplayerplug-in 3.31+main-1ubuntu1 (dsc) [703B] 
[02:46] <hjmf> ...
[02:47] <hjmf> Maintainer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>
[02:47] <hjmf> asac: ^
[02:47] <hjmf> ?
[02:48] <hjmf> I'm going to review my /etc/apt/sources, but I thought they are OK
[02:49] <asac> hjmf: you should do this against feisty version (if they are not identical)
[02:49] <asac> s/feisty/gutsy/
[02:49] <hjmf> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe multiverse
[02:49] <hjmf> that's why then!
[02:49] <hjmf> asac: fixing
[02:50] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm guys i dont show mplayerplug-in in gutsy or feisty
[02:50] <hjmf> gnomefreak: mozilla-mplayer is the bin package
[02:51] <gnomefreak> asac: your version is gutsy
[02:51] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you have right version for feisty
[02:51] <hjmf> I'll post another debdiff for the gutsy version
[02:52] <asac> hmm ... for me the Maintainer field looks identical in apt-cache show ... even in feisty
[02:52] <asac> damn my keyboard is dying :/
[02:52] <gnomefreak> they are the same
[02:53] <asac> yes
[02:53] <gnomefreak> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[02:53] <gnomefreak> Original-Maintainer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>
[02:53] <gnomefreak> whats bad about that?
[02:53] <asac> nothing ... its just crazy that hjmf has a source that just has: Maintainer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>
[02:53] <asac> but still the maintainer shows up right in apt-cache
[02:55] <hjmf> asac: I don't understand why can that happen?!? :/
[02:55] <hjmf> the sources are updated
[02:56] <gnomefreak> hjmf: maybe there is an old dsc on the server?
[02:56] <hjmf> the server is the main one
[02:56] <hjmf> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[03:00] <hjmf> asac: gnomefreak I've sent a second debdiff
[03:00] <hjmf> I have to go
[03:00] <hjmf> I'm really late :/
[03:00] <hjmf> cu
[03:06] <gnomefreak> screw prevu
[03:06] <gnomefreak> way too much work to make it work
[03:08] <asac> hjmf: i unsubscribed main sponsors and subscribed universe (as mplayer is in universe)
[03:08] <asac> actually its in multiverse
[05:47] <bluekuja> heya guys
[05:48] <bluekuja> asac, gnomefreak , hjmf :)
[05:59] <asac> hey bluekuja
[05:59] <bluekuja> heya! :)
[05:59] <bluekuja> how are you alex?
[06:07] <asac> fine :)
[06:07] <asac> hjmf: what was the mozilla bug with your famous fix?
[06:10] <bluekuja> asac: which ubuntu version should I use if new debian revision is an NMU
[06:10] <bluekuja> debian (2.0.7-1.1)
[06:10] <bluekuja> ubuntu(?)
[06:11] <bluekuja> cannot use 2.0.7-1.1ubuntu1
[06:15] <asac> why not?
[06:15] <bluekuja> yeah, I can use it
[06:15] <asac> btw, what is about the debdiff you announce for a few days now ;)
[06:15] <bluekuja> :D
[06:16] <asac> ok ... so it didn't get lost somewhere
[06:16] <asac> then its fine
[06:16] <bluekuja> (for description right?)
[06:16] <bluekuja> I have to fix changelog in the debdiff
[06:16] <bluekuja> for that revision
[06:18] <bluekuja> asac: debdiff for description?
[06:24] <asac> bluekuja: i have no idea :) ... you told me multiple times if i can check a debdiff and always said: 'cool will let you know'
[06:24] <asac> for description, just fix it in bzr
[06:25] <asac> bluekuja: merge my latest changes to mozillateam branch and fix description. note it to *current* changelog entry in your "section"
[06:26] <bluekuja> lol
[06:26] <bluekuja> yeah :)
[06:26] <bluekuja> asac: I finish something
[06:26] <bluekuja> need to know why with that version
[06:26] <bluekuja> it doesnt get reported
[06:26] <bluekuja> correctly
[06:27] <bluekuja> on debdiff
[06:27] <asac> maybe you did waste your "original version" ?
[06:27] <asac> e.g. by spinning once with your changes, but with same changelog entry
[06:27] <bluekuja> mmm...
[06:27] <bluekuja> nope
[06:28] <bluekuja> in fact
[06:28] <bluekuja> it gets last ubuntu changelog
[06:28] <bluekuja> and mine get deleted
[06:28] <bluekuja> completely
[06:29] <asac> uff ... finally bzr-builddeb has been updated in gutsy ...yohoo
[06:29] <asac> i can build again :) without doing wierd things
[06:29] <bluekuja> lol
[06:29] <bluekuja> :D
[06:30] <asac> not funny ... was a real pita for the last 2 days
[06:30] <asac> imo bzr-builddeb should be promoted to main
[06:30] <bluekuja> mmm...
[06:30] <bluekuja> it's quite usefull
[06:31] <bluekuja> and works well
[06:32] <asac> afaik its the suggested way of building packages with bzr
[06:32] <asac> build packages and bzr are core features of ubuntu devs ... so main ;)
[06:32] <asac> but maybe its just me
[06:32] <bluekuja> mmm...siretart use it too
[06:32] <bluekuja> he maintains it
[06:32] <asac> lots of ubuntu devs should use it
[06:33] <bluekuja> ^^
[06:33] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:33] <bluekuja> with time
[06:33] <bluekuja> everyone will use it
[06:35] <bluekuja> asac: news for libagg?
[06:35] <asac> bluekuja: i thought that was already clear ... go!
[06:35] <asac> prepare update and test if gnash build against it :)
[06:35] <asac> e.g. to latest upstream version
[06:35] <bluekuja> if not?
[06:36] <asac> then we have a problem :)
[06:36] <bluekuja> ^^
[06:36] <asac> but it should
[06:36] <asac> otherwise we have to investigate
[06:36] <asac> ;)
[06:36] <bluekuja> ok
[06:36] <bluekuja> we loves investigating
[06:36] <bluekuja> so ^^
[06:37] <asac> i hate to investigate ;)
[06:37] <asac> better ... just works (TM)
[06:38] <bluekuja> lol
[06:38] <bluekuja> asac: do you have upstream link?
[06:38] <asac> no
[06:39] <asac> i was on their site ... latest is 2.5 i th8ink
[06:39] <asac> e.g. current+=0.1
[06:39] <asac> bluekuja: should be in copyright file of package
[06:39] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:39] <bluekuja> gonna go there
[06:39] <asac> otherwise its a policy bug ;)
[06:40] <bluekuja> yup
[06:40] <bluekuja> ^^
[06:53] <asac> bluekuja: will you be at mozillateam meeting? ;)
[06:53] <asac> @schedule berlin
[06:53] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers
[06:53] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:53] <bluekuja> :)
[06:53] <bluekuja> asac, I start using the existing package
[06:54] <bluekuja> e.g I dont change files like copyright
[06:54] <bluekuja> etc
[06:55] <bluekuja> asac: I change maintainer stuff et all
[06:55] <bluekuja> openoffice team has in fact orphaned it right?
[06:57] <bluekuja> asac: should I remove co-maintainers too?
[06:58] <asac> who are co-maintainers?
[06:58] <bluekuja> Rene Engelhard <rene@debian.org>, Chris Halls <halls@debian.org>
[06:58] <asac> openoffice team doesn't want it anymore ... i guess all Uploaders would be openoffice team members
[06:58] <asac> then probably you can remove all
[06:58] <bluekuja> ok
[06:59] <asac> while you finish the rest you might wanna send mail asking all but rene (who already confirmed that he doesn't want to do it) if they want to contribute to libagg maintenance in the future
[07:01] <bluekuja> ok
[07:02] <bluekuja> asac: package is ready with new upstream version
[07:02] <bluekuja> now, I build
[07:02] <bluekuja> and test with gnas
[07:02] <bluekuja> *gnash
[07:07] <asac> bluekuja: you have to respin gnash ... and change to use agg renderer
[07:07] <asac> to test
[07:07] <bluekuja> explain this better
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: it works, just very very low
[07:07] <asac> you will figure out
[07:08] <bluekuja> :D
[07:08] <asac> bluekuja: tweak rules of gnash to --disable-klash and use renderer=agg
[07:08] <asac> e.g. --enable-renderer=agg
[07:08] <bluekuja> ok
[07:08] <asac> bluekuja: have fun :)
[07:08] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:08] <asac> out till meeing
[07:08] <asac> meeting
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: feel free to commit your patch to py-lp-bugs
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> i still need to fix the bughelper one
[07:58] <asac> @schedule
[07:58] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00: Xubuntu Developers
[07:58] <asac> @now
[07:58] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 21 2007, 17:58:52 - Current meeting: Mozilla Team
[07:59] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: OK
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: it was applied by dholdbach, i saw it.
[08:04] <hjmf> ah OK
[09:34] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Mozilla/20070621 anyone care to add minutes (parts of meeting to it)?
[09:38] <asac> hjmf: can you addyourselv to the meeting page?
[09:38] <asac> ok ... i have to get some rest for a few minutes
[09:42] <asac> gnomefreak: if you ping me i will add short decision summary for each point
[09:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i did most
[09:42] <asac> e.g. yeah now saw that
[09:42] <asac> great
[09:42] <asac> ... will fill the rest then :)
[09:42] <gnomefreak> ok
[09:42] <gnomefreak> where did you want me to post this forums post?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> on the meta bug?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> or a separate bug?
[09:43] <asac> gnomefreak: what meta bug do you refer to ... bug number>?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> asac: its your bug i dont have a number (the meta bug maintainer?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> bug
[09:44] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... thats for MASTER bug maintainer ... which is a dedicated task
[09:44] <bluekuja> heya
[09:44] <hjmf> asac: at attending?
[09:44] <bluekuja> asac: package is done
[09:44] <gnomefreak> so you just want me to add that task to the post for forums?
[09:44] <bluekuja> now testing gnash
[09:44] <asac> please post a new bug ... with title like 'on various things to do in mozillateam' :)
[09:44] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[09:44] <bluekuja> asac: where do you want it?
[09:44] <gnomefreak> k
[09:44] <asac> hjmf: yeah
[09:44] <asac> bluekuja: please test first
[09:45] <bluekuja> yeah, testing
[09:45] <asac> if it works ... lets fix gnash as well to use agg renderer ;)
[09:45] <asac> bluekuja: build with --disable-klash and --enable-renderer=agg for now
[09:45] <asac> bluekuja: see debian/rules
[09:45] <bluekuja> yeah already done
[09:45] <bluekuja> ^^
[09:45] <asac> bluekuja: gnash build ?
[09:45] <asac> with the new lib?
[09:45] <bluekuja> getting B-D
[09:46] <asac> k
[09:46] <gnomefreak> asac: whats the bug number of the above bug
[09:46] <asac> gnomefreak: which bug?
[09:46] <asac> the master bug job?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> master meta bug maintainer
[09:46] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:46] <asac> gnomefreak: should be available through mentoring link on mozillateam page ...
[09:46] <asac> lets ese
[09:47] <asac> yeah
[09:47] <asac> https://launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/+mentoring
[09:48] <asac> ok ... off till meeting ... then meeting ... then probably back for another hour or so :)
[10:01] <asac> ok meeting boots ;)
[10:01] <gnomefreak> forums done
[10:02] <gnomefreak> sort of
[10:16] <asac> please drop a link here if you posted :)
[10:16] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:16] <asac> so i can follow discussion ;)
[10:18] <gnomefreak> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2888737
[10:19] <gnomefreak> when i see pricechaild i have him move it and sticky it
[10:19] <gnomefreak> child
[10:20] <gnomefreak> ok im off for a while i have to get some running around done before dinner
[10:35] <asac> bug 119075
[10:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119075 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "Root password policy for mysql" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119075
[10:41] <bluekuja> asac: goodnight
[10:41] <bluekuja> see you tomorrow
[10:41] <bluekuja> so we can finish
[10:41] <bluekuja> ;)
[10:41] <asac> bluekuja: night ... did it work?
[10:42] <bluekuja> asac: I got a dep problem
[10:42] <bluekuja> in pbuilder
[10:42] <bluekuja> e.g need to update all
[10:42] <bluekuja> and now cant do it
[10:42] <bluekuja> coz I really need to sleep
[10:42] <bluekuja> :)
[10:42] <asac> yeah ... you need to update build-depends in gnash i guess
[10:42] <asac> bluekuja: sleep well
[10:42] <bluekuja> yup
[10:42] <bluekuja> asac: thanks! you too!
[10:42] <bluekuja> :)
[10:43] <bluekuja> cu tomorrow
[10:43] <bluekuja> :)
[10:50] <asac> ok meeting done ... now some phone stuff
[10:51] <asac> then rest i guess :)
[11:47] <asac> any forum post yet?
[11:47] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^ ?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> i gave you link already
[11:48] <asac> oh sorry
[11:48] <asac> what time about?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> 16:18 <      gnomefreak > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2888737
[11:48] <asac> e.g. how many hours before?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:48] <gnomefreak> hour and half ago
[11:48] <asac> cool ... looks good
[11:49] <asac> gnomefreak: thought you have mozillateam emblem
[11:49] <gnomefreak> asac: not yet
[11:49] <gnomefreak> i just sent another email
[11:50] <asac> ok
[11:50] <gnomefreak> i just sent 2 icons for him to choose from both free licence asaik
[11:50] <asac> gnomefreak: how about stickyness? ... or let the entry swim for some time
[11:50] <asac> afaik, its read by more people as sticky notes are often overlooked
[11:51] <gnomefreak> pricechild is working on that as we speak
[11:51] <asac> gnomefreak: rock
[11:52] <gnomefreak> asac: let me know what way we want to go with beginners wiki. when you get time
[11:53] <asac> gnomefreak: i think its on track ... for now it looks more like the start of a beginners page for bug triage though
[11:53] <asac> e.g. not much content outside of bug
[11:53] <asac> and we definitly should add more paragraphs on our workflow
[11:53] <asac> so people understand what is needed to get from mt-needtestcase to mt-needtester state for instance
[11:54] <asac> but better add that content once the state/tag thing is over ... but should not make much
[11:54] <asac> a difference for the overall bug workflow we have
[11:55] <asac> its just that we move bugs that are ready for processing to triaged instead of in progress
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i think the beginner page should be a short intro to everything and links to more in depth how to
[11:55] <asac> and then the developer actually working on it will set in progress
[11:55] <asac> gnomefreak: right .. but lest first add the content on bugs
[11:55] <gnomefreak> asac: right
[11:55] <asac> then add other content and promote it to more top-level place
[11:55] <asac> e.g. on frontpage or something
[11:56] <asac> a simple instruction of a beginner for tags would be worth its weight in gold i guess
[11:56] <asac> in order to make it easy to start triaging
[11:56] <gnomefreak> asac: true
[11:56] <gnomefreak> s/ass/as
[11:56] <asac> yes right
[11:57] <asac> i think we should have a simple beginners page that gives a high level view on what has to be done for each state/tag combination that are suitable for beginners
[11:57] <asac> then a more detailed paget that comes up with good examples of bugs triaged properly for that state/tag combination ...
[11:57] <asac> but thats just me
[11:57] <asac> open for any suggestions
[11:58] <gnomefreak> lets see what Admiral_Chicago has come up with i will help jen with whatever she needs help with and once we have more of a beginners page i will be glad to make the wiki or show her how
[11:59] <asac> gnomefreak: actually i think we can attract testers from forum if regularaly call for testing specific preview releases
[11:59] <asac> e.g. like the one i plan to do right after tribe-2
[11:59] <asac> but lets think about it tomorrow
[11:59] <asac> :)
[11:59] <gnomefreak> i wanna take what time i have over the weekend if any and look at wikis. but might not beablet o till monday or tuesday
[12:00] <gnomefreak> i have to fix well(2 days) and have a birthday sometime this weekend(for myself)
[12:00] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... anyway, would be great if you could fast track a firefox build for preview archive in case i come up with something usable ;)
[12:00] <asac> gnomefreak: birthday? when?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> asac: what do you want the build of?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> asac: sunday
[12:00] <asac> latest firefox ubuntu-2.0.0.x branch
[12:00] <asac> but i will land more stuff tomorrow
[12:00] <asac> for that build
[12:01] <gnomefreak> ok this weekend i can set this to build it
[12:01] <gnomefreak> while im working and upload at night
[12:01] <asac> yeah ... i will push orig tarball and amd64 build so you can just grab latest bzr and spin
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: cool ... i will let you know ;)
[12:02] <asac> you think Community Cafe is a good place to call for testing stuff?
[12:02] <asac> or better gutsy?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: it will be moved if needed. i didnt put it there sd-pliskin did
[12:02] <gnomefreak> and pricechild is working on it
[12:02] <gnomefreak> place and sticky or not
[12:03] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[12:04] <gnomefreak> ill let you know what happens
[12:04] <asac> i think let it swim and if it sacks down too early make it sticky
[12:04] <asac> (but thats just me)
[12:04] <asac> yeah
[12:11] <asac> ok off for today ;)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> ok night