| Daviey | "..make them jump when they.." | 12:27 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, yes :( | 12:27 |
| Daviey | superm1: can you use DataDirect? | 12:27 |
| superm1 | well zap2it == datadirect | 12:27 |
| Daviey | ah | 12:28 |
| superm1 | i'm willing to throw a few bucks in | 12:28 |
| Daviey | we have two xmltv providers in the UK. | 12:28 |
| superm1 | every few month | 12:28 |
| superm1 | if it comes to it | 12:29 |
| superm1 | for a commercial offering | 12:29 |
| Daviey | It seems their major issue is companies using it for profit | 12:29 |
| Daviey | i thought making users register stopped that :( | 12:29 |
| superm1 | well its not myth users | 12:30 |
| superm1 | from what i've read | 12:30 |
| superm1 | it was some others | 12:30 |
| Daviey | :`( | 12:30 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: Is the other one apart from RT bleb? | 12:31 |
| superm1 | reclusivemonkey, what is iMon? | 12:31 |
| reclusivemonkey | superm1: iMon is a set of IR remote products; http://www.soundgraph.com/ | 12:31 |
| Daviey | reclusivemonkey: yes | 12:32 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: Its a shame about ITV :-S I've never had any problems with RT, but its nice to have an alternative. | 12:32 |
| Daviey | prob with ITV? | 12:32 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: From the website; "ITV listings are now unavailable due to legal reasons. If/when I can arrange with ITV a machine readable, royalty free version of their listings they will return. Sorry for the inconvenience. More information is available in my diary. Piers Roberts has created a petition." | 12:33 |
| reclusivemonkey | Not that I watch anything on ITV ;-) | 12:33 |
| Daviey | that's awful | 12:34 |
| Daviey | mind you; if he was grabbing their html pages it might have caused issue | 12:35 |
| reclusivemonkey | ITV will be very advert driven... I imagine anything which might mean people not visiting their site they won't like... | 12:36 |
| Daviey | thing is, if you have their listings your more likely to watch their channel and see their ads. | 12:37 |
| Daviey | very short minded imo | 12:37 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: True, but I am not entirely surprised ITV don't see the bigger picture. | 12:39 |
| Daviey | i might email them with a sugestion | 12:39 |
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| rogue780 | did you all hear the horrible news for those of us in the US? | 03:04 |
| rogue780 | http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html | 03:06 |
| rogue780 | superm1, did you hear about this? | 03:08 |
| superm1 | rogue780, Yup | 03:26 |
| superm1 | its on /. | 03:26 |
| superm1 | and someone mentioned it in the channel late last night | 03:26 |
| superm1 | well late with respect to my time | 03:26 |
| rogue780 | what time zone are you in? | 03:30 |
| rogue780 | superm1, can US users use xmltv? what's gonna happen after septermber? | 03:31 |
| rogue780 | *september | 03:31 |
| superm1 | rogue780, CST | 03:32 |
| superm1 | rogue780, there is discussions going on | 03:32 |
| superm1 | for something to replace zap2it | 03:32 |
| superm1 | possibly a pay solution | 03:32 |
| superm1 | where you would pay $20-30 /yr | 03:32 |
| superm1 | rogue780, you might want to put a vote in here: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296 | 03:33 |
| rogue780 | how much bandwidth do you suppose a service like that would take? | 03:35 |
| superm1 | well I'm thinking it would more work out as a licensing deal | 03:35 |
| superm1 | for that same data | 03:35 |
| superm1 | TMS provides | 03:35 |
| superm1 | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275350 | 03:36 |
| superm1 | is the relevant thread where its all being discussed on the mailing list | 03:36 |
| rogue780 | I wonder if 2.244 TB/mo would be enough | 03:39 |
| superm1 | well its pretty hard to gauge | 03:40 |
| superm1 | because there is no "number" of the people using the product | 03:40 |
| superm1 | that has been defined anywhere at least | 03:40 |
| OpenMedia | $20-30 yr is reasonably low, US$5 a month. | 03:50 |
| OpenMedia | I suggested around NZ$5/month for data here and the feedback was quite negative. | 03:50 |
| OpenMedia | Question really is how much will it cost to license the data | 03:51 |
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| tuxie_fl | hi yall | 03:56 |
| Daviey | superm1: This is an automated message... | 04:06 |
| superm1 | hey Daviey | 04:06 |
| Daviey | Your not expecting me to use seeds for the individual themes? | 04:07 |
| Daviey | just the meta? | 04:07 |
| superm1 | automated? | 04:07 |
| superm1 | just the meta | 04:07 |
| superm1 | correct | 04:07 |
| Daviey | cool | 04:07 |
| superm1 | well the mythbuntu meta | 04:07 |
| superm1 | not the themes meta | 04:07 |
| Daviey | erm | 04:07 |
| superm1 | the themes meta is a little more manageable | 04:08 |
| Daviey | mythtv-themes- extra | community | unoffical should use this new method? | 04:08 |
| superm1 | without needing to do seeds | 04:08 |
| superm1 | na not necessarily | 04:08 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu-standalone and mythbuntu-live need t to though | 04:08 |
| superm1 | hi tuxie_fl | 04:08 |
| Daviey | doh | 04:08 |
| Daviey | anyway; i'm going back to bed | 04:08 |
| superm1 | Daviey, oh okay | 04:09 |
| Daviey | nn | 04:09 |
| superm1 | night | 04:09 |
| Daviey | catch you tommorow | 04:09 |
| superm1 | k | 04:09 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, the cost I read was 12k/mo | 04:09 |
| superm1 | to license the whole chunk of data for the country | 04:09 |
| Daviey | btw - the first theme is ready for revu.. | 04:09 |
| superm1 | Ooh | 04:09 |
| superm1 | put it up | 04:09 |
| superm1 | an' illl look her over | 04:10 |
| Daviey | hmm.. my new key isn't sync with revu | 04:10 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, so that works out to needing 7.2e3 people for $20/yr | 04:10 |
| Daviey | i can scp it to pegasys quickly? | 04:11 |
| superm1 | yea that will work | 04:11 |
| Daviey | wait 1 | 04:11 |
| superm1 | just mkae sure its somewhere i can read | 04:12 |
| Daviey | superm1: you've got root! | 04:15 |
| superm1 | oh right | 04:15 |
| superm1 | hehe | 04:15 |
| Daviey | /storage/debian/tar.gz | 04:15 |
| Daviey | /storage/debian.tar.gz | 04:15 |
| superm1 | ok | 04:15 |
| superm1 | i'll post what i find with it in a pastebin for you | 04:15 |
| Daviey | top level of package is: debian/ && blootube-wide.tar.bz2 | 04:16 |
| Daviey | can you email me? | 04:16 |
| Daviey | i might miss it otherwise | 04:16 |
| Daviey | I won't be back 8-10 hours | 04:16 |
| superm1 | sure | 04:16 |
| Daviey | i didn't bother scp'ing the actual theme tho | 04:17 |
| Daviey | just the debian/ folder | 04:17 |
| Daviey | ttfn | 04:17 |
| superm1 | ok | 04:17 |
| superm1 | can you actually scp the orig | 04:17 |
| superm1 | it would be good | 04:17 |
| superm1 | so i can use lintian/linda | 04:17 |
| superm1 | or give me al link to the tar.gz u used | 04:17 |
| superm1 | for the orig | 04:17 |
| Daviey | okay.. | 04:17 |
| Daviey | erm | 04:18 |
| Daviey | i don't have an orig :( | 04:19 |
| superm1 | erm | 04:19 |
| superm1 | how did you do this then? | 04:19 |
| Daviey | i have blootube-wide.tar.bz2 | 04:19 |
| superm1 | okay i'll work out with you tomrorow then | 04:19 |
| superm1 | what needs to be done | 04:19 |
| superm1 | get to bed | 04:19 |
| superm1 | i'll look over the other stuf | 04:19 |
| Daviey | heh | 04:19 |
| Daviey | nn | 04:19 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | I just heard the bad news about zap2it, do we have other options? | 04:35 |
| superm1 | not yet tgm4883_laptop | 04:36 |
| superm1 | but it doesn't take effect until september | 04:36 |
| superm1 | so okay for now | 04:36 |
| tgm4883_laptop | :( | 04:36 |
| tgm4883_laptop | yea | 04:36 |
| superm1 | Daviey, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26537/ . I'll also email you that | 04:49 |
| superm1 | rogue780, you here still? | 04:53 |
| superm1 | i ran the latest ISO, and it appears to boot fine for me. only problem appears to be another annoying GLIB bug | 04:53 |
| superm1 | not too sure about it though | 04:53 |
| rogue780 | superm1, I'm here | 05:01 |
| superm1 | rogue780, so you said you had issues upon boot | 05:01 |
| superm1 | can you check your cd md5sum download? | 05:01 |
| superm1 | to make sure you got the whole thing right | 05:01 |
| rogue780 | superm1, any idea what might be causing one of my hauppauge pvr-150 has no audio? | 05:02 |
| superm1 | there is a md5sum listed on the site | 05:02 |
| superm1 | the card dying? | 05:02 |
| rogue780 | I verified the md5sum before I tried running it | 05:02 |
| rogue780 | yeah that's what I suspect...but I am trying to avoid dishing out another $60 | 05:02 |
| superm1 | well hauppauge is really good about RMA's | 05:02 |
| superm1 | my old roomate just replaced a pvr-500 | 05:03 |
| superm1 | that was less than a year old | 05:03 |
| superm1 | and broke | 05:03 |
| tuxie_fl | i have a 150 and I had to take external cable and connect to pvr out the the soundcad | 05:03 |
| superm1 | tuxie_fl, mpeg2 encoding cards shouldnt have an effect if you do that | 05:03 |
| superm1 | audio isn't output via the pvr-150 | 05:03 |
| rogue780 | maybe you had the wintv 401 or something? | 05:04 |
| tuxie_fl | oops sorry, I gave up on some other card with no audio and bought a 150 and sound is Ok. my mistake | 05:04 |
| tuxie_fl | maybe. I put the wintv into my windows box and it crashes all the time | 05:05 |
| superm1 | rogue780, can you try a different input on it? | 05:06 |
| rogue780 | superm1, do you know the difference between hauppage 150 models 274 and 1042? | 05:06 |
| rogue780 | not atm. most of our stuff is packed up | 05:07 |
| superm1 | Na i dont | 05:09 |
| superm1 | ones newer? :) | 05:09 |
| rogue780 | well one's cheaper | 05:09 |
| superm1 | well dont jump on buying the new one I say | 05:11 |
| superm1 | see if hauppauge will do an RMA for you | 05:11 |
| rogue780 | I shall | 05:11 |
| superm1 | you lose the card for 1.5 weeks and don't pay a dime | 05:11 |
| superm1 | :) | 05:11 |
| rogue780 | I think I got it less than a year ago | 05:11 |
| superm1 | great | 05:12 |
| rogue780 | I wonder if I need the receipt | 05:13 |
| superm1 | don't think so | 05:13 |
| superm1 | because they can determine by serial number | 05:13 |
| superm1 | the man. date | 05:13 |
| rogue780 | sweet. well I've gotta go to bed now so, toodle-oo | 05:15 |
| superm1 | night | 05:15 |
| Xenocide | how you doing superm1 | 05:16 |
| superm1 | eh. been better. | 05:16 |
| superm1 | bunch of things just aren't falling into place this evening as nicely as I had hoped | 05:17 |
| Xenocide | :( | 05:34 |
| Xenocide | no good | 05:34 |
| Xenocide | my laptop touch pad broke | 05:34 |
| Xenocide | when i left click the button gets stuck, i need super glue to find it but ofcourse i can't find the super glue | 05:35 |
| Xenocide | dell quality for ya | 05:35 |
| tgm4883_laptop | oh don't say that Xenocide | 05:45 |
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| Xenocide | haha | 05:46 |
| Xenocide | what kinda laptop | 05:46 |
| tgm4883_laptop | E1505 | 05:46 |
| Xenocide | bleh | 05:46 |
| Xenocide | too big for my taste | 05:46 |
| Xenocide | i had an xps1201 and it was an ok size but too thick | 05:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ah you got one of the nice small ones? | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | just got an x300 with a pentium M 1.2ghz I LOVE IT | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | i just use it for class, and i have a nice desktop | 05:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | how big is the screen? | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | i got a docking station on ebay for my desk, with a dvd and cd burner in it | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | 12" non widescreen | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | inch thick | 05:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | oh thats not terrible | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | not at all | 05:47 |
| Xenocide | no cd drive (which i love) | 05:47 |
| tgm4883_laptop | my brother has a viao with like a 7 in screen | 05:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | too small for my taste | 05:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | but it has a dvd burner in it | 05:48 |
| Xenocide | i have it maxed out with 1152 mb of ram, and swapped in a 7200rpm hdd which kills my batt life | 05:48 |
| Xenocide | i have no need for a cd drive when im in class | 05:48 |
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| loops | anyone know of a mythfrontend livecd ? | 03:59 |
| superm1 | loops, mythbuntu does | 04:00 |
| loops | really? great | 04:00 |
| superm1 | we're still working on it (Its alpha), but the mythfrontend should run in live mode | 04:00 |
| loops | i'll give it a try | 04:00 |
| superm1 | uses the same version of packages as Ubuntu does - so if your on trunk it won't work, but 0.20-fixes will | 04:01 |
| loops | still have someone who refuses linux on their laptop here.. and looking for a way to still let them use mythtv | 04:02 |
| loops | so if it works, it'll be exactly what i've been looking for | 04:03 |
| superm1 | loops, it should for non HD stuff | 04:03 |
| loops | well no HD signal here.. so that's not a problem | 04:03 |
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| xeno_ | superm1_, ibm just called :) | 05:19 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, you saw my notes about your packging? | 05:26 |
| Daviey | yes; but will be unable to make changes until i get home. :( | 05:29 |
| Daviey | thanks | 05:29 |
| superm1 | we're up on the forums community council tomorrow | 05:30 |
| superm1 | for the decision if we get a subforum | 05:30 |
| Daviey | O RLY | 05:30 |
| superm1 | we don't need to attend afaik | 05:30 |
| Daviey | did we approach them? | 05:30 |
| superm1 | they will discuss | 05:31 |
| superm1 | It was recommended that a proposal be drawn up now | 05:31 |
| superm1 | Since they only go through them once a month | 05:31 |
| superm1 | and to give us time in case it was declined to find an alternate provider | 05:31 |
| Daviey | If they decline, forum on mythbuntu.org :) | 05:32 |
| Daviey | which incidently, i'd prefer :) | 05:32 |
| laga | YARLY | 05:32 |
| superm1 | actually maybe we should attend if we can | 05:32 |
| Daviey | but ubuntu-forums is more accessible. | 05:32 |
| superm1 | its in #ubuntu-meeting | 05:32 |
| superm1 | tomorrow at 20:00 UTC | 05:32 |
| Daviey | I'll be there in anycase | 05:32 |
| laga | i'll join #ubuntu-meeting now so i won't forget | 05:33 |
| Daviey | superm1: Are you setting up a blog :) | 05:33 |
| Daviey | and you laga | 05:33 |
| superm1 | should I? | 05:33 |
| laga | why? | 05:33 |
| Daviey | yep | 05:33 |
| superm1 | I may not be able to be there right at 20:00, I have a RL meeting until 21:00, so hopefully i can make it | 05:34 |
| laga | superm1: um, did you want me to backport the mythweb auth stuff to 0.20? | 05:37 |
| superm1 | That was the plan :) | 05:38 |
| superm1 | if not, i'll do it | 05:38 |
| laga | heh | 05:38 |
| superm1 | as long as it works on yours | 05:38 |
| laga | my svn version needs some very minor polishing, eg flushing the password. | 05:38 |
| laga | most of the code should be reusable. | 05:38 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu's gui is all ready for the mythweb code to be used | 05:38 |
| laga | i'll try to get it done tonight, but no promises. | 05:38 |
| superm1 | so ya know :) | 05:38 |
| xeno_ | superm1, | 05:41 |
| xeno_ | you see that message? | 05:41 |
| superm1 | xeno_, which one? | 05:42 |
| xeno_ | oh i sent it to your other login | 05:42 |
| xeno_ | ibm just called me :) | 05:42 |
| superm1 | that was quick :) | 05:42 |
| xeno_ | yup, she sai dshe wants me, i have to talk to th elead programmer to see if its what i want to do then ill come in and get setup with HR | 05:42 |
| xeno_ | and she said she wants me to start ASAP | 05:42 |
| superm1 | well than I might be seeing you on sametime really soon :) | 05:42 |
| xeno_ | haha sounds good | 05:42 |
| xeno_ | cya | 05:42 |
| superm1 | cya | 05:43 |
| Daviey | Is openGL painter for frontend currently borked? | 05:50 |
| Daviey | tried it last night, and it just crashed out | 05:51 |
| superm1 | in 0.20-fixes or trunk? | 05:51 |
| Daviey | current feisty | 05:51 |
| superm1 | its fine | 05:51 |
| superm1 | i use it :) | 05:51 |
| superm1 | are you using a fglrx card? | 05:51 |
| Daviey | er | 05:52 |
| Daviey | dunno | 05:52 |
| Daviey | no, i'm using nvida free drivers | 05:52 |
| superm1 | you need to use proprietary ones | 05:52 |
| superm1 | for it to work | 05:52 |
| superm1 | for nvidia | 05:52 |
| Daviey | ah | 05:56 |
| laga | the free ones don't support opengl ;) | 05:56 |
| Daviey | isn't that a bug tho? | 05:56 |
| Daviey | shouldn't it test on launch? | 05:56 |
| Daviey | 'cause you pretty skrewed as you can't easily change it back | 05:56 |
| superm1 | well actually | 05:57 |
| superm1 | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt | 05:57 |
| laga | 17:55 < Falballa`> laga: 'painter' could be myth{frontend|tv-setup} -O ThemePainter=qt | 05:57 |
| laga | darn he was faster ;) | 05:57 |
| Daviey | heh; no database hacking needed | 05:57 |
| superm1 | the secret is not thinking - just typing | 05:57 |
| laga | the force is strong in this one | 05:58 |
| laga | superm1: kinda like coding? | 05:58 |
| superm1 | exactly | 05:58 |
| Daviey | all good providing you have a venus flytrap on your desk to catch all your bugs :) | 05:59 |
| Daviey | anyway, hometime yah | 05:59 |
| superm1 | cya Daviey | 05:59 |
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| laga | i have a venus fly trap in my room ;) | 06:09 |
| loops | superm1: i gave mythbuntu a shot. It doesn't seem to handle wireless passkeys, so i had to find an old network cable to go futher.. | 06:22 |
| loops | then got a myth protocol error.. i guess i am working with too new a version of myth backend :( | 06:22 |
| superm1 | loops, yea- its a fairly minimalistic setup, wireless can be configured - but its not an easy way | 06:22 |
| superm1 | loops, what version of myth are you running? | 06:23 |
| superm1 | whose packages? | 06:23 |
| loops | superm1, yeah.. i tried using iwconfig etc.. but read in man page that passkeys are not yet supported (which is how my router is setup) | 06:23 |
| loops | superml, i'm on gentoo right now | 06:23 |
| superm1 | then you should be on 0.20-fixes | 06:23 |
| superm1 | which is whats supported | 06:23 |
| loops | mythtv-0.20.1_p13344 | 06:23 |
| superm1 | yea there shouldnt be any reason for that not to work | 06:24 |
| loops | strange.. took a bit of fiddling to get mysql setup properly.. | 06:24 |
| loops | but once it was working it looked like everything was just-going-to-work | 06:24 |
| superm1 | double clicking the link on the desktop? | 06:24 |
| superm1 | should have asked for mysql info | 06:24 |
| superm1 | which you just enter and things should launch | 06:24 |
| loops | yes.. problem was on backend | 06:25 |
| superm1 | ah to make a remote frontend allowed to connect | 06:25 |
| loops | yes | 06:25 |
| loops | well.. i'm not confident that i have backend running properly for mythfrontend to connect | 06:25 |
| loops | which port should it use ? 6543 ? | 06:25 |
| superm1 | standard ports | 06:26 |
| superm1 | are 6543 | 06:26 |
| superm1 | and you used your ip address in mythtv-setup | 06:26 |
| superm1 | on the backend | 06:26 |
| superm1 | not 127.0.0.1 | 06:26 |
| superm1 | right? | 06:26 |
| loops | right.. | 06:26 |
| superm1 | in *both* boxes | 06:26 |
| loops | i changed that by hand in mysql | 06:26 |
| loops | hmm... oh | 06:26 |
| superm1 | open it in mythtv-setup | 06:26 |
| loops | are you speaking on frontend or back? | 06:26 |
| superm1 | you'll see what i mean | 06:26 |
| superm1 | on the backend | 06:26 |
| loops | okay.. 1 sec | 06:26 |
| superm1 | and you need to restart the backend after the changes | 06:27 |
| superm1 | to make them take effect | 06:27 |
| loops | right.. top box still had 127.0.0.1 | 06:27 |
| superm1 | that would be trouble | 06:28 |
| loops | running downstairs to try again :) brb | 06:28 |
| loops | superm1, much better :) | 06:42 |
| superm1 | loops, workin now :) | 06:42 |
| loops | superm1, tv viewing worked well (although a bit slow, said no XVideo surface found, falling back to shared mem) | 06:43 |
| superm1 | loops, what vid card? | 06:43 |
| loops | i'm not sure what's in that laptop.. i think its some nvidia card | 06:43 |
| superm1 | oh so it likely used the vesa driver | 06:43 |
| loops | anything to do about that? | 06:43 |
| superm1 | since proprietary drivers aren't activated on disk atm | 06:43 |
| loops | okay | 06:43 |
| loops | one other thing | 06:44 |
| superm1 | well in live mode, that is a bit of a trouble for us to sort out still | 06:44 |
| loops | when i try to go into program guide (S key) while watching tv... it crashed | 06:44 |
| loops | with long back trace... | 06:44 |
| loops | but i can't figure out how to capture it for you | 06:44 |
| loops | cut-n-paste doesn't seem to work.. | 06:44 |
| superm1 | on the newer alphas (than public alpha 1), we are activating proprietary drivers after install | 06:44 |
| superm1 | but still not in live mode | 06:44 |
| loops | sure.. understandable. | 06:45 |
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| superm1 | where did the backtrace get made? | 06:45 |
| superm1 | into a core dump? | 06:45 |
| loops | no.. it was a glib error (free more than once i think) | 06:45 |
| loops | i tried running mythfrontend 2> grabit | 06:46 |
| superm1 | loops, which alpha did you grab? | 06:46 |
| loops | but it still went to terminal screen rather than file | 06:46 |
| loops | Mythbuntu 7.04 x86 (Alpha: 06/03/2007) ISO | 06:46 |
| superm1 | interesting to see glib errors off that.... | 06:46 |
| loops | wish i knew how to capture it for u | 06:47 |
| superm1 | well i'm not too sure it will be helpful either way | 06:47 |
| superm1 | apport isn't active on that disk | 06:47 |
| superm1 | to make it a meaningful backtrace | 06:47 |
| loops | right | 06:47 |
| loops | it was all cryptic to me | 06:48 |
| superm1 | well all I an say is see if the 7.10 disks work better. we'll be announcing one within the next few weeks | 06:48 |
| superm1 | and apport will be on | 06:48 |
| superm1 | so we can catch your backtraces | 06:48 |
| loops | okay.. i'll keep on the lookout for that.. | 06:49 |
| loops | thanks for all your help | 06:49 |
| superm1 | you can consider too - making your roomate's laptop a dual boot | 06:49 |
| superm1 | one option could boot him right into mythbuntu or ubuntu and the other into his other os | 06:49 |
| loops | yeah.. i remember hearing something recently about being able to run linux on top of windows without having to reformat hard drive | 06:50 |
| superm1 | well *ubuntu installers can all resize a ntfs partition | 06:50 |
| loops | okay.. will see if i can talk her into it | 06:50 |
| superm1 | as long as its clean before you start | 06:50 |
| loops | would make life easier :) | 06:50 |
| superm1 | defrag | 06:50 |
| superm1 | chkdsk etc | 06:50 |
| loops | right.. understood | 06:50 |
| superm1 | ideally i'd like to have an option to use proprietary drivers in that live env, but there are a lot of barriers up in doing that | 06:53 |
| superm1 | people would be able to use the disks for HD frontends if said barriers can be overcome | 06:54 |
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| kruuli | superm1 had some more progress on my machine :> | 10:27 |
| kruuli | can now play movies in any player in 800x600 | 10:27 |
| kruuli | kinda accepted it wont go any higher .. wont be a problem anyway when i use it on my plasma | 10:27 |
| kruuli | only thing left is to make mythtv play movies .. as i wont atm | 10:28 |
| superm1 | mythvideo doesn't work? | 10:28 |
| kruuli | nope .. but havent really looked into that yet :) | 10:35 |
| reclusivemonkey | kruuli: mplayer will play pretty much anything you can throw at it. Just get mythvideo to use that and you should be fine | 10:35 |
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| Daviey | Internal player ftw | 10:38 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: Are you using mythtv on feisty? | 10:39 |
| Daviey | yep | 10:39 |
| Daviey | well frontend feisty backend edgy atm | 10:39 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: I need to organise a day off to update; my mythtv box is still on Edgy | 10:39 |
| Daviey | my fe just upgraded without issue | 10:40 |
| Daviey | backed i'm a little 'edgy' about upgrading so might do a fresh install | 10:40 |
| superm1 | Daviey, upgrade | 10:41 |
| superm1 | if it doesnt work for you, how can you advocate it for others? | 10:41 |
| Daviey | heh | 10:41 |
| Daviey | to be fair, i have borked the backend quite nicely | 10:41 |
| Daviey | apt seems broken | 10:41 |
| reclusivemonkey | I have a BE/FE combined in the lounge, I have a FE on this desktop, but the connection isn't always great. I'm not sure whether its the wireless or the BE doesn't have enough power. I'm definitely a reinstall man myself :-S | 10:41 |
| kruuli | reclusivemonkey: well mplayer plays in ubuntu but not in mythtv | 10:43 |
| Daviey | reclusivemonkey: it should just work. it really should. The only reason i'm not doing it is because i feel the current installation is 'dirty' | 10:43 |
| superm1 | reinstalling is for the weak | 10:43 |
| superm1 | tgm4883_, can tell you all about that :) | 10:43 |
| superm1 | Daviey, how do you break apt? | 10:43 |
| reclusivemonkey | superm1: or those with kids who would make your life hell if the "telly" wasn't working... | 10:43 |
| superm1 | my current myth install is a gentoo 2005.0->gentoo 2006.0->ubuntu dapper->ubuntu edgy->ubuntu feisty. The only formatting was between gentoo -> ubuntu, and the db and recordings followed with | 10:45 |
| reclusivemonkey | superm1: you have kids? did this coincide with gentoo --> ubuntu ? ;-) | 10:46 |
| superm1 | haha | 10:46 |
| superm1 | total down time was a matter of a day | 10:47 |
| laga | he has a life now ;) | 10:47 |
| superm1 | and thank goodness no kids here | 10:47 |
| reclusivemonkey | lol @ laga | 10:47 |
| kruuli | how old are you guys? .. just curious :> | 10:48 |
| Daviey | superm1: Using unoffical packages :) | 10:48 |
| superm1 | well at that time - yes | 10:48 |
| reclusivemonkey | when I had time to tinker, I was happy to try anything and learn on the way. Its always the path of least resistance now | 10:48 |
| reclusivemonkey | 34 | 10:48 |
| superm1 | kruuli, 21, turning 22 later this summer | 10:48 |
| kruuli | 24 here .. turning 25 in july :> | 10:48 |
| laga | <- 20, turning 21 next year | 10:49 |
| Daviey | The kids aren't an issue; it's the misses. She missed neighbours today (my fault) | 10:49 |
| laga | heh | 10:49 |
| OpenMedia | Bunch of children. | 10:49 |
| laga | well, a mythtress has to bear a lot with her geek | 10:49 |
| Daviey | oh yes.. very understandable | 10:49 |
| OpenMedia | Scary I was hacking code before most of you were born... Ok so I started coding at 11.. | 10:49 |
| kruuli | OpenMedia haha :> | 10:50 |
| laga | OpenMedia: back in the day when rubber boots were made from leather, huh? | 10:50 |
| OpenMedia | Thats the one :0 | 10:50 |
| Daviey | OpenMedia: bet you were a hardcore assembler for embedded devices by the age of 12 :) | 10:50 |
| OpenMedia | My good old ZX81.. Real coputing power | 10:50 |
| OpenMedia | Yup Z80 assembler at 12 | 10:51 |
| Daviey | Ahhh the specy' | 10:51 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: At first you get "You're not having a computer in the lounge", next thing, your b@lls are being busted because "the thing isn't working!" | 10:51 |
| OpenMedia | Heck I was doing embedded development using Linux 9 years ago. | 10:51 |
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| reclusivemonkey | OpenMedia: How old are you? | 10:52 |
| reclusivemonkey | My first computer was an Acorn Electron | 10:52 |
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| OpenMedia | 37 | 10:53 |
| reclusivemonkey | OpenMedia: Ah, the screech of code on cassette tape is music to your ears then ;-) | 10:54 |
| OpenMedia | Guys where is the gutsy mythbuntu iso | 10:54 |
| OpenMedia | Heck I could tell which game my brother was loading by the sound of the tape. | 10:54 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso | 10:56 |
| OpenMedia | Ah sorry found it.. | 10:56 |
| superm1 | OpenMedia, be wary though, something is bugging up glib | 10:56 |
| OpenMedia | Now quite awake yet here | 10:56 |
| OpenMedia | Heck its just for a play in virtualbox | 10:56 |
| superm1 | the installer is fairly functional now, but since glib is buggy, it doesnt always launch | 10:56 |
| superm1 | i've been trying to track it down (it happens with the upstream ubuntu installer too) | 10:57 |
| reclusivemonkey | Has anyone from the UK signed up to the BBC Archive Trial? | 11:00 |
| superm1 | rogue780, i think you might have encountered bug 106864 the other day | 11:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106864 | 11:01 |
| Daviey | reclusivemonkey: no; but wish i had | 11:02 |
| rogue780 | superm1, that sounds about right | 11:02 |
| Daviey | didn't hear about it until too late | 11:02 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: there's not that much on at the moment. 372 programs so far. Quite a varied bunch though | 11:02 |
| Daviey | booo. wish i was | 11:03 |
| Daviey | Is it using DRM? | 11:03 |
| superm1 | rogue780, so it is all gutsy round then. good to hear at least | 11:03 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: Can't see there being any issue with you using my log in; reclusive.monkey@gmail.com PIN: 580896 | 11:04 |
| reclusivemonkey | http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/trial | 11:04 |
| superm1 | reclusivemonkey, you shouldnt have posted that in this channel | 11:05 |
| superm1 | its logged | 11:05 |
| superm1 | you might want to change the pin and pm it to Daviey | 11:05 |
| reclusivemonkey | Daviey: nope WMV or RP | 11:05 |
| Daviey | yeah; might be an idea to change it if you can | 11:06 |
| Daviey | But thanks; i really appreciate it! | 11:07 |
| reclusivemonkey | superm1 Daviey TBH I don't think I'll use it much. Not sure I can change the pin... | 11:08 |
| superm1 | Daviey, I was thinking today after i spoke to loops | 11:08 |
| superm1 | what if 3 boot options were available | 11:08 |
| superm1 | 1) Install or Run Mythbuntu (Free Graphics Drivers) | 11:08 |
| superm1 | 2) Install or Run Mythbuntu (ATI Proprietary Graphics Driver) | 11:09 |
| superm1 | 3) Install or Run Mythbuntu (NVIDIA Proprietary Graphics Driver) | 11:09 |
| superm1 | and casper was used to append a part of the filesystem | 11:09 |
| superm1 | that included the appropriate piece | 11:09 |
| kruuli | 4) Install or Run Mythbuntu (Unichrome Driver) | 11:09 |
| kruuli | ^^ | 11:09 |
| Daviey | good idea | 11:10 |
| superm1 | I'm not sure how feasible it actually is | 11:10 |
| Daviey | but what if johnny doesn't know what is best? | 11:10 |
| superm1 | then he chooses Free | 11:10 |
| Daviey | okay | 11:10 |
| superm1 | i heard that casper could do such magic though | 11:10 |
| superm1 | because thats how you can save changesto flash drives | 11:10 |
| Daviey | maybe hold old though - i' certain they must be working on something dor this upstream | 11:11 |
| superm1 | well i asked in ubuntu-installer about it | 11:11 |
| superm1 | didnt get an answer | 11:11 |
| superm1 | cjwatson is out of town though | 11:11 |
| superm1 | he would be the most likely person to ask | 11:11 |
| Daviey | bbl 10 | 11:12 |
| rogue780 | superm1, has there been any consideration for unichrome drivers in mythbuntu? | 11:14 |
| superm1 | yes | 11:15 |
| superm1 | its on the horizon | 11:15 |
| superm1 | but have other things first | 11:15 |
| rogue780 | sweet | 11:15 |
| superm1 | someone needs to package it first if anything | 11:15 |
| superm1 | so if anyone wants to step up and do that | 11:15 |
| superm1 | i'll be glad to help revu it before hand | 11:15 |
| superm1 | cd | 11:15 |
| laga | su - | 11:16 |
| superm1 | root@#ubuntu-mythtv:> | 11:16 |
| rogue780 | I wish I knew how to package things | 11:18 |
| superm1 | rogue780, if you'd like to learn, there are plenty of people around that would be glad to help | 11:19 |
| superm1 | !packagingguide | 11:19 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 11:19 |
| superm1 | is a good start | 11:19 |
| rogue780 | thanks | 11:19 |
| superm1 | i've got a pretty good idea what it will take to pakcage these openchrome drivers | 11:19 |
| superm1 | just no time to execute that | 11:19 |
| superm1 | Daviey, come to think of it - if that idea works for proprietary drivers | 11:22 |
| superm1 | using casper | 11:22 |
| superm1 | that means that virtual machine accelerated drivers can be done too that way | 11:23 |
| superm1 | this can really be something neat | 11:23 |
| laga | "virtual machine accelerated drivers"? what do you mean? i think there'll be some kind of unified interface in the kernel | 11:24 |
| superm1 | well if you use virtual box | 11:24 |
| superm1 | or vmware | 11:24 |
| superm1 | they provide a "guest services" | 11:24 |
| superm1 | pack | 11:24 |
| superm1 | that includes a higher performance networking and display driver | 11:24 |
| laga | virtualbox provides a better networking driver? i didn't know that | 11:24 |
| superm1 | oh indeed | 11:24 |
| laga | but you are right wrt the display driver | 11:24 |
| superm1 | well i know that vmware does the networking | 11:25 |
| superm1 | i'm pretty sure virtual box does too, but i'm not 100% on virtual box's networking | 11:25 |
| laga | vbox normally uses an AMD pcnet driver afaik | 11:26 |
| laga | heh | 11:27 |
| laga | FYI: i'm not working on mythweb, i'm packaging the perl bindings. i need them desperately | 11:27 |
| Daviey | virtual machines are great for demostrations; but i feel that is a minor feature requirement atm | 11:28 |
| superm1 | well its a pretty easy add if the casper stuff works for proprietary drivers | 11:29 |
| Daviey | true | 11:29 |
| Daviey | How much time delay do you suspect making a change like this at runtime will take? | 11:30 |
| superm1 | minimal | 11:31 |
| Daviey | cool | 11:31 |
| superm1 | think of it this way | 11:31 |
| superm1 | how long does that 380 meg image take to boot? | 11:31 |
| Daviey | fair point | 11:31 |
| laga | great. awesome, really. ./configure --prefix=/usr results in the perl bindings being installed to debian/mythtv/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/ | 11:31 |
| superm1 | you add another 40-50 megs more to it, and you'll have 40/380 or about a 10.5% increase | 11:31 |
| superm1 | wow why? | 11:32 |
| superm1 | broken upstream configure script? | 11:32 |
| laga | superm1: probably. i'll go through the last commits now to check if there is a fix. i don't want to svn up because of the latest ffmpeg merge | 11:33 |
| superm1 | ah | 11:33 |
| superm1 | laga, no network driver in virtual box additions | 11:33 |
| superm1 | its vmware only | 11:33 |
| Daviey | why avoid latest ffmpeg? | 11:34 |
| Daviey | is it borked? | 11:34 |
| laga | Daviey: not necessarily, but those merges tend to introduce new bugs | 11:34 |
| Daviey | ah | 11:34 |
| superm1 | they're teasing, hovering around 91-98 tickets this last week | 11:35 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, you better come back and get those themes in before running.... | 11:36 |
| superm1 | :) | 11:36 |
| Daviey | i'll take the laptop | 11:36 |
| superm1 | what about web access? | 11:37 |
| Daviey | hopefully there will be unsecured wifi / bluetooth to mobile :) | 11:37 |
| Daviey | don't fancy doing 100meg dputs tho :s | 11:38 |
| Daviey | OT: don't suppose any of you guys have any idea about Bug 121612 | 11:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121612 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[sata_sil] SATA PCI not working (chipset: SiI3512)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121612 | 11:38 |
| superm1 | can't say so | 11:40 |
| Daviey | :`( | 11:41 |
| kruuli | hey has anyone here ever played the game Just Cause? | 11:43 |
| laga | yup | 11:44 |
| laga | we do it all the time in #mythtv-users | 11:44 |
| laga | "why is my livetv broken | 11:44 |
| laga | " | 11:44 |
| laga | "just because" | 11:44 |
| Daviey | pmsl | 11:44 |
| kruuli | hah | 11:44 |
| laga | Daviey: at first, i thought you were making a PMS reference to the "just cause" thing | 11:45 |
| superm1 | well i play a similar game with my old roomate who happens to be a vegetarian. every time something goes wrong with him, his school, woemn, anything. i blame it all on him being a vegetarian. | 11:45 |
| kruuli | heh my gf is a vegetarian aswell .. i like bloody meat .. so its not a good match :> | 11:47 |
| superm1 | its a lot of fun to do, you should try it next time she starts complaining about something :) | 11:48 |
| Daviey | qemu virtualmachine provides rtl-8029 networking device | 11:48 |
| laga | just say "it's because you are a girl" | 11:48 |
| Daviey | kruuli: have you tried curing her? | 11:49 |
| Daviey | it can be overcome with support | 11:49 |
| Daviey | meat is *great* | 11:49 |
| kruuli | sure thing .. i still buy alot of meat cuting it up infront of her face .. always gets her in a good mood lol | 11:50 |
| rogue780 | I wonder what kind of a front end this would make: | 11:51 |
| reclusivemonkey | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/More-Like-DidgeriDont!.aspx | 11:51 |
| rogue780 | http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT-7001&Show=TechSpecs | 11:51 |
| superm1 | 366Mhz.....hmm | 11:52 |
| reclusivemonkey | * still kind of slow (366 MHz processor) <-- would that be enough for a FE? | 11:52 |
| superm1 | i'd say not a good one | 11:52 |
| laga | no | 11:52 |
| Daviey | rogue780: http://www.jadeintegration.com/images/ani_chippc.gif (animated gif) | 11:54 |
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