[12:27] "..make them jump when they.." [12:27] Daviey, yes :( [12:27] superm1: can you use DataDirect? [12:27] well zap2it == datadirect [12:28] ah [12:28] i'm willing to throw a few bucks in [12:28] we have two xmltv providers in the UK. [12:28] every few month [12:29] if it comes to it [12:29] for a commercial offering [12:29] It seems their major issue is companies using it for profit [12:29] i thought making users register stopped that :( [12:30] well its not myth users [12:30] from what i've read [12:30] it was some others [12:30] :`( [12:31] Daviey: Is the other one apart from RT bleb? [12:31] reclusivemonkey, what is iMon? [12:31] superm1: iMon is a set of IR remote products; http://www.soundgraph.com/ [12:32] reclusivemonkey: yes [12:32] Daviey: Its a shame about ITV :-S I've never had any problems with RT, but its nice to have an alternative. [12:32] prob with ITV? [12:33] Daviey: From the website; "ITV listings are now unavailable due to legal reasons. If/when I can arrange with ITV a machine readable, royalty free version of their listings they will return. Sorry for the inconvenience. More information is available in my diary. Piers Roberts has created a petition." [12:33] Not that I watch anything on ITV ;-) [12:34] that's awful [12:35] mind you; if he was grabbing their html pages it might have caused issue [12:36] ITV will be very advert driven... I imagine anything which might mean people not visiting their site they won't like... [12:37] thing is, if you have their listings your more likely to watch their channel and see their ads. [12:37] very short minded imo [12:39] Daviey: True, but I am not entirely surprised ITV don't see the bigger picture. [12:39] i might email them with a sugestion === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Ex-Chat"] === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5D408.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka__ [n=varkatop@p54A5F0DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:04] did you all hear the horrible news for those of us in the US? [03:06] http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html [03:08] superm1, did you hear about this? [03:26] rogue780, Yup [03:26] its on /. [03:26] and someone mentioned it in the channel late last night [03:26] well late with respect to my time [03:30] what time zone are you in? [03:31] superm1, can US users use xmltv? what's gonna happen after septermber? [03:31] *september [03:32] rogue780, CST [03:32] rogue780, there is discussions going on [03:32] for something to replace zap2it [03:32] possibly a pay solution [03:32] where you would pay $20-30 /yr [03:33] rogue780, you might want to put a vote in here: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296 [03:35] how much bandwidth do you suppose a service like that would take? [03:35] well I'm thinking it would more work out as a licensing deal [03:35] for that same data [03:35] TMS provides [03:36] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275350 [03:36] is the relevant thread where its all being discussed on the mailing list [03:39] I wonder if 2.244 TB/mo would be enough [03:40] well its pretty hard to gauge [03:40] because there is no "number" of the people using the product [03:40] that has been defined anywhere at least [03:50] $20-30 yr is reasonably low, US$5 a month. [03:50] I suggested around NZ$5/month for data here and the feedback was quite negative. [03:51] Question really is how much will it cost to license the data === tuxie_fl [n=joe813@165-238.207-68.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:56] hi yall [04:06] superm1: This is an automated message... [04:06] hey Daviey [04:07] Your not expecting me to use seeds for the individual themes? [04:07] just the meta? [04:07] automated? [04:07] just the meta [04:07] correct [04:07] cool [04:07] well the mythbuntu meta [04:07] not the themes meta [04:07] erm [04:08] the themes meta is a little more manageable [04:08] mythtv-themes- extra | community | unoffical should use this new method? [04:08] without needing to do seeds [04:08] na not necessarily [04:08] mythbuntu-standalone and mythbuntu-live need t to though [04:08] hi tuxie_fl [04:08] doh [04:08] anyway; i'm going back to bed [04:09] Daviey, oh okay [04:09] nn [04:09] night [04:09] catch you tommorow [04:09] k [04:09] OpenMedia, the cost I read was 12k/mo [04:09] to license the whole chunk of data for the country [04:09] btw - the first theme is ready for revu.. [04:09] Ooh [04:09] put it up [04:10] an' illl look her over [04:10] hmm.. my new key isn't sync with revu [04:10] OpenMedia, so that works out to needing 7.2e3 people for $20/yr [04:11] i can scp it to pegasys quickly? [04:11] yea that will work [04:11] wait 1 [04:12] just mkae sure its somewhere i can read [04:15] superm1: you've got root! [04:15] oh right [04:15] hehe [04:15] /storage/debian/tar.gz [04:15] /storage/debian.tar.gz [04:15] ok [04:15] i'll post what i find with it in a pastebin for you [04:16] top level of package is: debian/ && blootube-wide.tar.bz2 [04:16] can you email me? [04:16] i might miss it otherwise [04:16] I won't be back 8-10 hours [04:16] sure [04:17] i didn't bother scp'ing the actual theme tho [04:17] just the debian/ folder [04:17] ttfn [04:17] ok [04:17] can you actually scp the orig [04:17] it would be good [04:17] so i can use lintian/linda [04:17] or give me al link to the tar.gz u used [04:17] for the orig [04:17] okay.. [04:18] erm [04:19] i don't have an orig :( [04:19] erm [04:19] how did you do this then? [04:19] i have blootube-wide.tar.bz2 [04:19] okay i'll work out with you tomrorow then [04:19] what needs to be done [04:19] get to bed [04:19] i'll look over the other stuf [04:19] heh [04:19] nn === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:35] I just heard the bad news about zap2it, do we have other options? [04:36] not yet tgm4883_laptop [04:36] but it doesn't take effect until september [04:36] so okay for now [04:36] :( [04:36] yea [04:49] Daviey, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26537/ . I'll also email you that [04:53] rogue780, you here still? [04:53] i ran the latest ISO, and it appears to boot fine for me. only problem appears to be another annoying GLIB bug [04:53] not too sure about it though [05:01] superm1, I'm here [05:01] rogue780, so you said you had issues upon boot [05:01] can you check your cd md5sum download? [05:01] to make sure you got the whole thing right [05:02] superm1, any idea what might be causing one of my hauppauge pvr-150 has no audio? [05:02] there is a md5sum listed on the site [05:02] the card dying? [05:02] I verified the md5sum before I tried running it [05:02] yeah that's what I suspect...but I am trying to avoid dishing out another $60 [05:02] well hauppauge is really good about RMA's [05:03] my old roomate just replaced a pvr-500 [05:03] that was less than a year old [05:03] and broke [05:03] i have a 150 and I had to take external cable and connect to pvr out the the soundcad [05:03] tuxie_fl, mpeg2 encoding cards shouldnt have an effect if you do that [05:03] audio isn't output via the pvr-150 [05:04] maybe you had the wintv 401 or something? [05:04] oops sorry, I gave up on some other card with no audio and bought a 150 and sound is Ok. my mistake [05:05] maybe. I put the wintv into my windows box and it crashes all the time [05:06] rogue780, can you try a different input on it? [05:06] superm1, do you know the difference between hauppage 150 models 274 and 1042? [05:07] not atm. most of our stuff is packed up [05:09] Na i dont [05:09] ones newer? :) [05:09] well one's cheaper [05:11] well dont jump on buying the new one I say [05:11] see if hauppauge will do an RMA for you [05:11] I shall [05:11] you lose the card for 1.5 weeks and don't pay a dime [05:11] :) [05:11] I think I got it less than a year ago [05:12] great [05:13] I wonder if I need the receipt [05:13] don't think so [05:13] because they can determine by serial number [05:13] the man. date [05:15] sweet. well I've gotta go to bed now so, toodle-oo [05:15] night [05:16] how you doing superm1 [05:16] eh. been better. [05:17] bunch of things just aren't falling into place this evening as nicely as I had hoped [05:34] :( [05:34] no good [05:34] my laptop touch pad broke [05:35] when i left click the button gets stuck, i need super glue to find it but ofcourse i can't find the super glue [05:35] dell quality for ya [05:45] oh don't say that Xenocide === tgm4883_laptop says as he is typing on his dell laptop [05:46] haha [05:46] what kinda laptop [05:46] E1505 [05:46] bleh [05:46] too big for my taste [05:47] i had an xps1201 and it was an ok size but too thick [05:47] ah you got one of the nice small ones? [05:47] just got an x300 with a pentium M 1.2ghz I LOVE IT [05:47] i just use it for class, and i have a nice desktop [05:47] how big is the screen? [05:47] i got a docking station on ebay for my desk, with a dvd and cd burner in it [05:47] 12" non widescreen [05:47] inch thick [05:47] oh thats not terrible [05:47] not at all [05:47] no cd drive (which i love) [05:48] my brother has a viao with like a 7 in screen [05:48] too small for my taste [05:48] but it has a dvd burner in it [05:48] i have it maxed out with 1152 mb of ram, and swapped in a 7200rpm hdd which kills my batt life [05:48] i have no need for a cd drive when im in class === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === ahmadster [n=ahmad@c-24-19-192-177.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5FAD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:09] hi varka === Daviey [i=daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === loops [n=sean@bas1-london14-1096624287.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:59] anyone know of a mythfrontend livecd ? [04:00] loops, mythbuntu does [04:00] really? great [04:00] we're still working on it (Its alpha), but the mythfrontend should run in live mode [04:00] i'll give it a try [04:01] uses the same version of packages as Ubuntu does - so if your on trunk it won't work, but 0.20-fixes will [04:02] still have someone who refuses linux on their laptop here.. and looking for a way to still let them use mythtv [04:03] so if it works, it'll be exactly what i've been looking for [04:03] loops, it should for non HD stuff [04:03] well no HD signal here.. so that's not a problem === xeno_ [n=xeno@cpe-024-163-112-039.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:19] superm1_, ibm just called :) === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:26] Daviey, you saw my notes about your packging? [05:29] yes; but will be unable to make changes until i get home. :( [05:29] thanks [05:30] we're up on the forums community council tomorrow [05:30] for the decision if we get a subforum [05:30] O RLY [05:30] we don't need to attend afaik [05:30] did we approach them? [05:31] they will discuss [05:31] It was recommended that a proposal be drawn up now [05:31] Since they only go through them once a month [05:31] and to give us time in case it was declined to find an alternate provider [05:32] If they decline, forum on mythbuntu.org :) [05:32] which incidently, i'd prefer :) [05:32] YARLY [05:32] actually maybe we should attend if we can [05:32] but ubuntu-forums is more accessible. [05:32] its in #ubuntu-meeting [05:32] tomorrow at 20:00 UTC [05:32] I'll be there in anycase [05:33] i'll join #ubuntu-meeting now so i won't forget [05:33] superm1: Are you setting up a blog :) [05:33] and you laga [05:33] should I? [05:33] why? [05:33] yep [05:34] I may not be able to be there right at 20:00, I have a RL meeting until 21:00, so hopefully i can make it [05:37] superm1: um, did you want me to backport the mythweb auth stuff to 0.20? [05:38] That was the plan :) [05:38] if not, i'll do it [05:38] heh [05:38] as long as it works on yours [05:38] my svn version needs some very minor polishing, eg flushing the password. [05:38] most of the code should be reusable. [05:38] mythbuntu's gui is all ready for the mythweb code to be used [05:38] i'll try to get it done tonight, but no promises. [05:38] so ya know :) [05:41] superm1, [05:41] you see that message? [05:42] xeno_, which one? [05:42] oh i sent it to your other login [05:42] ibm just called me :) [05:42] that was quick :) [05:42] yup, she sai dshe wants me, i have to talk to th elead programmer to see if its what i want to do then ill come in and get setup with HR [05:42] and she said she wants me to start ASAP [05:42] well than I might be seeing you on sametime really soon :) [05:42] haha sounds good [05:42] cya [05:43] cya [05:50] Is openGL painter for frontend currently borked? [05:51] tried it last night, and it just crashed out [05:51] in 0.20-fixes or trunk? [05:51] current feisty [05:51] its fine [05:51] i use it :) [05:51] are you using a fglrx card? [05:52] er [05:52] dunno [05:52] no, i'm using nvida free drivers [05:52] you need to use proprietary ones [05:52] for it to work [05:52] for nvidia [05:56] ah [05:56] the free ones don't support opengl ;) [05:56] isn't that a bug tho? [05:56] shouldn't it test on launch? [05:56] 'cause you pretty skrewed as you can't easily change it back [05:57] well actually [05:57] mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt [05:57] 17:55 < Falballa`> laga: 'painter' could be myth{frontend|tv-setup} -O ThemePainter=qt [05:57] darn he was faster ;) [05:57] heh; no database hacking needed [05:57] the secret is not thinking - just typing [05:58] the force is strong in this one [05:58] superm1: kinda like coding? [05:58] exactly [05:59] all good providing you have a venus flytrap on your desk to catch all your bugs :) [05:59] anyway, hometime yah [05:59] cya Daviey === kruuli [i=kruuli@c-bcb772d5.013-36-73746f51.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:09] i have a venus fly trap in my room ;) [06:22] superm1: i gave mythbuntu a shot. It doesn't seem to handle wireless passkeys, so i had to find an old network cable to go futher.. [06:22] then got a myth protocol error.. i guess i am working with too new a version of myth backend :( [06:22] loops, yea- its a fairly minimalistic setup, wireless can be configured - but its not an easy way [06:23] loops, what version of myth are you running? [06:23] whose packages? [06:23] superm1, yeah.. i tried using iwconfig etc.. but read in man page that passkeys are not yet supported (which is how my router is setup) [06:23] superml, i'm on gentoo right now [06:23] then you should be on 0.20-fixes [06:23] which is whats supported [06:23] mythtv-0.20.1_p13344 [06:24] yea there shouldnt be any reason for that not to work [06:24] strange.. took a bit of fiddling to get mysql setup properly.. [06:24] but once it was working it looked like everything was just-going-to-work [06:24] double clicking the link on the desktop? [06:24] should have asked for mysql info [06:24] which you just enter and things should launch [06:25] yes.. problem was on backend [06:25] ah to make a remote frontend allowed to connect [06:25] yes [06:25] well.. i'm not confident that i have backend running properly for mythfrontend to connect [06:25] which port should it use ? 6543 ? [06:26] standard ports [06:26] are 6543 [06:26] and you used your ip address in mythtv-setup [06:26] on the backend [06:26] not 127.0.0.1 [06:26] right? [06:26] right.. [06:26] in *both* boxes [06:26] i changed that by hand in mysql [06:26] hmm... oh [06:26] open it in mythtv-setup [06:26] are you speaking on frontend or back? [06:26] you'll see what i mean [06:26] on the backend [06:26] okay.. 1 sec [06:27] and you need to restart the backend after the changes [06:27] to make them take effect [06:27] right.. top box still had 127.0.0.1 [06:28] that would be trouble [06:28] running downstairs to try again :) brb [06:42] superm1, much better :) [06:42] loops, workin now :) [06:43] superm1, tv viewing worked well (although a bit slow, said no XVideo surface found, falling back to shared mem) [06:43] loops, what vid card? [06:43] i'm not sure what's in that laptop.. i think its some nvidia card [06:43] oh so it likely used the vesa driver [06:43] anything to do about that? [06:43] since proprietary drivers aren't activated on disk atm [06:43] okay [06:44] one other thing [06:44] well in live mode, that is a bit of a trouble for us to sort out still [06:44] when i try to go into program guide (S key) while watching tv... it crashed [06:44] with long back trace... [06:44] but i can't figure out how to capture it for you [06:44] cut-n-paste doesn't seem to work.. [06:44] on the newer alphas (than public alpha 1), we are activating proprietary drivers after install [06:44] but still not in live mode [06:45] sure.. understandable. === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:45] where did the backtrace get made? [06:45] into a core dump? [06:45] no.. it was a glib error (free more than once i think) [06:46] i tried running mythfrontend 2> grabit [06:46] loops, which alpha did you grab? [06:46] but it still went to terminal screen rather than file [06:46] Mythbuntu 7.04 x86 (Alpha: 06/03/2007) ISO [06:46] interesting to see glib errors off that.... [06:47] wish i knew how to capture it for u [06:47] well i'm not too sure it will be helpful either way [06:47] apport isn't active on that disk [06:47] to make it a meaningful backtrace [06:47] right [06:48] it was all cryptic to me [06:48] well all I an say is see if the 7.10 disks work better. we'll be announcing one within the next few weeks [06:48] and apport will be on [06:48] so we can catch your backtraces [06:49] okay.. i'll keep on the lookout for that.. [06:49] thanks for all your help [06:49] you can consider too - making your roomate's laptop a dual boot [06:49] one option could boot him right into mythbuntu or ubuntu and the other into his other os [06:50] yeah.. i remember hearing something recently about being able to run linux on top of windows without having to reformat hard drive [06:50] well *ubuntu installers can all resize a ntfs partition [06:50] okay.. will see if i can talk her into it [06:50] as long as its clean before you start [06:50] would make life easier :) [06:50] defrag [06:50] chkdsk etc [06:50] right.. understood [06:53] ideally i'd like to have an option to use proprietary drivers in that live env, but there are a lot of barriers up in doing that [06:54] people would be able to use the disks for HD frontends if said barriers can be overcome === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === OpenMedia [n=sellis@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === reclusivemonkey [n=monkey@host86-133-225-36.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [10:27] superm1 had some more progress on my machine :> [10:27] can now play movies in any player in 800x600 [10:27] kinda accepted it wont go any higher .. wont be a problem anyway when i use it on my plasma [10:28] only thing left is to make mythtv play movies .. as i wont atm [10:28] mythvideo doesn't work? [10:35] nope .. but havent really looked into that yet :) [10:35] kruuli: mplayer will play pretty much anything you can throw at it. Just get mythvideo to use that and you should be fine === superm1 is more of a fan of xine. ac3 pass thru is generally easier ;) [10:38] Internal player ftw [10:39] Daviey: Are you using mythtv on feisty? [10:39] yep [10:39]