[12:27] <Daviey> "..make them jump when they.."
[12:27] <superm1> Daviey, yes :(
[12:27] <Daviey> superm1: can you use DataDirect?
[12:27] <superm1> well zap2it == datadirect
[12:28] <Daviey> ah
[12:28] <superm1> i'm willing to throw a few bucks in
[12:28] <Daviey> we have two xmltv providers in the UK.
[12:28] <superm1> every few month
[12:29] <superm1> if it comes to it
[12:29] <superm1> for a commercial offering
[12:29] <Daviey> It seems their major issue is companies using it for profit
[12:29] <Daviey> i thought making users register stopped that :(
[12:30] <superm1> well its not myth users
[12:30] <superm1> from what i've read
[12:30] <superm1> it was some others
[12:30] <Daviey> :`(
[12:31] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: Is the other one apart from RT bleb?
[12:31] <superm1> reclusivemonkey, what is iMon?
[12:31] <reclusivemonkey> superm1: iMon is a set of IR remote products; http://www.soundgraph.com/
[12:32] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: yes
[12:32] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: Its a shame about ITV :-S I've never had any problems with RT, but its nice to have an alternative.
[12:32] <Daviey> prob with ITV?
[12:33] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: From the website; "ITV listings are now unavailable due to legal reasons. If/when I can arrange with ITV a machine readable, royalty free version of their listings they will return. Sorry for the inconvenience. More information is available in my diary. Piers Roberts has created a petition."
[12:33] <reclusivemonkey> Not that I watch anything on ITV ;-)
[12:34] <Daviey> that's awful
[12:35] <Daviey> mind you; if he was grabbing their html pages it might have caused issue
[12:36] <reclusivemonkey> ITV will be very advert driven... I imagine anything which might mean people not visiting their site they won't like...
[12:37] <Daviey> thing is, if you have their listings your more likely to watch their channel and see their ads.
[12:37] <Daviey> very short minded imo
[12:39] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: True, but I am not entirely surprised ITV don't see the bigger picture.
[12:39] <Daviey> i might email them with a sugestion
[03:04] <rogue780> did you all hear the horrible news for those of us in the US?
[03:06] <rogue780> http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html
[03:08] <rogue780> superm1, did you hear about this?
[03:26] <superm1> rogue780, Yup
[03:26] <superm1> its on /.
[03:26] <superm1> and someone mentioned it in the channel late last night
[03:26] <superm1> well late with respect to my time
[03:30] <rogue780> what time zone are you in?
[03:31] <rogue780> superm1, can US users use xmltv? what's gonna happen after septermber?
[03:31] <rogue780> *september
[03:32] <superm1> rogue780, CST
[03:32] <superm1> rogue780, there is discussions going on
[03:32] <superm1> for something to replace zap2it
[03:32] <superm1> possibly a pay solution
[03:32] <superm1> where you would pay $20-30 /yr
[03:33] <superm1> rogue780, you might want to put a vote in here: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296
[03:35] <rogue780> how much bandwidth do you suppose a service like that would take?
[03:35] <superm1> well I'm thinking it would more work out as a licensing deal
[03:35] <superm1> for that same data
[03:35] <superm1> TMS provides
[03:36] <superm1> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275350
[03:36] <superm1> is the relevant thread where its all being discussed on the mailing list
[03:39] <rogue780> I wonder if 2.244 TB/mo would be enough
[03:40] <superm1> well its pretty hard to gauge
[03:40] <superm1> because there is no "number" of the people using the product
[03:40] <superm1> that has been defined anywhere at least
[03:50] <OpenMedia> $20-30 yr is reasonably low, US$5 a month.
[03:50] <OpenMedia> I suggested around NZ$5/month for data here and the feedback was quite negative.
[03:51] <OpenMedia> Question really is how much will it cost to license the data
[03:56] <tuxie_fl> hi yall
[04:06] <Daviey> superm1: This is an automated message...
[04:06] <superm1> hey Daviey
[04:07] <Daviey> Your not expecting me to use seeds for the individual themes?
[04:07] <Daviey> just the meta?
[04:07] <superm1> automated?
[04:07] <superm1> just the meta
[04:07] <superm1> correct
[04:07] <Daviey> cool
[04:07] <superm1> well the mythbuntu meta
[04:07] <superm1> not the themes meta
[04:07] <Daviey> erm
[04:08] <superm1> the themes meta is a little more manageable
[04:08] <Daviey> mythtv-themes- extra | community | unoffical should use this new method?
[04:08] <superm1> without needing to do seeds
[04:08] <superm1> na not necessarily
[04:08] <superm1> mythbuntu-standalone and mythbuntu-live need t to though
[04:08] <superm1> hi tuxie_fl
[04:08] <Daviey> doh
[04:08] <Daviey> anyway; i'm going back to bed
[04:09] <superm1> Daviey, oh okay
[04:09] <Daviey> nn
[04:09] <superm1> night
[04:09] <Daviey> catch you tommorow
[04:09] <superm1> k
[04:09] <superm1> OpenMedia, the cost I  read was 12k/mo
[04:09] <superm1> to license the whole chunk of data for the country
[04:09] <Daviey> btw - the first theme is ready for revu..
[04:09] <superm1> Ooh
[04:09] <superm1> put it up
[04:10] <superm1> an' illl look her over
[04:10] <Daviey> hmm.. my new key isn't sync with revu
[04:10] <superm1> OpenMedia, so that works out to needing 7.2e3 people for $20/yr
[04:11] <Daviey> i can scp it to pegasys quickly?
[04:11] <superm1> yea that will work
[04:11] <Daviey> wait 1
[04:12] <superm1> just mkae sure its somewhere i can read
[04:15] <Daviey> superm1: you've got root!
[04:15] <superm1> oh right
[04:15] <superm1> hehe
[04:15] <Daviey>   /storage/debian/tar.gz
[04:15] <Daviey>   /storage/debian.tar.gz
[04:15] <superm1> ok
[04:15] <superm1> i'll post what i find with it in a pastebin for you
[04:16] <Daviey> top level of package is:   debian/ && blootube-wide.tar.bz2
[04:16] <Daviey> can you email me?
[04:16] <Daviey> i might miss it otherwise
[04:16] <Daviey> I won't be back 8-10 hours
[04:16] <superm1> sure
[04:17] <Daviey> i didn't bother scp'ing the actual theme tho
[04:17] <Daviey> just the debian/ folder
[04:17] <Daviey> ttfn
[04:17] <superm1> ok
[04:17] <superm1> can you actually scp the orig
[04:17] <superm1> it would be good
[04:17] <superm1> so i can use lintian/linda
[04:17] <superm1> or give me al link to the tar.gz u used
[04:17] <superm1> for the orig
[04:17] <Daviey> okay..
[04:18] <Daviey> erm
[04:19] <Daviey> i don't have an orig :(
[04:19] <superm1> erm
[04:19] <superm1> how did you do this then?
[04:19] <Daviey> i have blootube-wide.tar.bz2
[04:19] <superm1> okay i'll work out with you tomrorow then
[04:19] <superm1> what needs to be done
[04:19] <superm1> get to bed
[04:19] <superm1> i'll look over the other stuf
[04:19] <Daviey> heh
[04:19] <Daviey> nn
[04:35] <tgm4883_laptop> I just heard the bad news about zap2it, do we have other options?
[04:36] <superm1> not yet tgm4883_laptop
[04:36] <superm1> but it doesn't take effect until september
[04:36] <superm1> so okay for now
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[04:49] <superm1> Daviey, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26537/  .  I'll also email you that
[04:53] <superm1> rogue780, you here still?
[04:53] <superm1> i ran the latest ISO, and it appears to boot fine for me.  only problem appears to be another annoying GLIB bug
[04:53] <superm1> not too sure about it though
[05:01] <rogue780> superm1, I'm here
[05:01] <superm1> rogue780, so you said you had issues upon boot
[05:01] <superm1> can you check your cd md5sum download?
[05:01] <superm1> to make sure you got the whole thing right
[05:02] <rogue780> superm1, any idea what might be causing one of my hauppauge pvr-150 has no audio?
[05:02] <superm1> there is a md5sum listed on the site
[05:02] <superm1> the card dying?
[05:02] <rogue780> I verified the md5sum before I tried running it
[05:02] <rogue780> yeah that's what I suspect...but I am trying to avoid dishing out another $60
[05:02] <superm1> well hauppauge is really good about RMA's
[05:03] <superm1> my old roomate just replaced a pvr-500
[05:03] <superm1> that was less than a year old
[05:03] <superm1> and broke
[05:03] <tuxie_fl> i have a 150 and I had to take external cable and connect to pvr out the the soundcad
[05:03] <superm1> tuxie_fl, mpeg2 encoding cards shouldnt have an effect if you do that
[05:03] <superm1> audio isn't output via the pvr-150
[05:04] <rogue780> maybe you had the wintv 401 or something?
[05:04] <tuxie_fl> oops sorry, I gave up on some other card with no audio and bought a 150 and sound is Ok. my mistake
[05:05] <tuxie_fl> maybe.  I put the wintv into my windows box and it crashes all the time
[05:06] <superm1> rogue780, can you try a different input on it?
[05:06] <rogue780> superm1, do you know the difference between hauppage 150  models 274 and 1042?
[05:07] <rogue780> not atm. most of our stuff is packed up
[05:09] <superm1> Na i dont
[05:09] <superm1> ones newer? :)
[05:09] <rogue780> well one's cheaper
[05:11] <superm1> well dont jump on buying the new one I say
[05:11] <superm1> see if hauppauge will do an RMA for you
[05:11] <rogue780> I shall
[05:11] <superm1> you lose the card for 1.5 weeks and don't pay a dime
[05:11] <superm1> :)
[05:11] <rogue780> I think I got it less than a year ago
[05:12] <superm1> great
[05:13] <rogue780> I wonder if I need the receipt
[05:13] <superm1> don't think so
[05:13] <superm1> because they can determine by serial number
[05:13] <superm1> the man. date
[05:15] <rogue780> sweet. well I've gotta go to bed now so, toodle-oo
[05:15] <superm1> night
[05:16] <Xenocide> how you doing superm1
[05:16] <superm1> eh.  been better.
[05:17] <superm1> bunch of things just aren't falling into place this evening as nicely as I had hoped
[05:34] <Xenocide> :(
[05:34] <Xenocide> no good
[05:34] <Xenocide> my laptop touch pad broke
[05:35] <Xenocide> when i left click the button gets stuck, i need super glue to find it but ofcourse i can't find the super glue
[05:35] <Xenocide> dell quality for ya
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> oh don't say that Xenocide
[05:46] <Xenocide> haha
[05:46] <Xenocide> what kinda laptop
[05:46] <tgm4883_laptop> E1505
[05:46] <Xenocide> bleh
[05:46] <Xenocide> too big for my taste
[05:47] <Xenocide> i had an xps1201 and it was an ok size but too thick
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> ah you got one of the nice small ones?
[05:47] <Xenocide> just got an x300 with a pentium M 1.2ghz I LOVE IT
[05:47] <Xenocide> i just use it for class, and i have a nice desktop
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> how big is the screen?
[05:47] <Xenocide> i got a docking station on ebay for my desk, with a dvd and cd burner in it
[05:47] <Xenocide> 12" non widescreen
[05:47] <Xenocide> inch thick
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> oh thats not terrible
[05:47] <Xenocide> not at all
[05:47] <Xenocide> no cd drive (which i love)
[05:48] <tgm4883_laptop> my brother has  a viao with like a 7 in screen
[05:48] <tgm4883_laptop> too small for my taste
[05:48] <tgm4883_laptop> but it has a dvd burner in it
[05:48] <Xenocide> i have it maxed out with 1152 mb of ram, and swapped in a 7200rpm hdd which kills my batt life
[05:48] <Xenocide> i have no need for a cd drive when im in class
[11:09] <tuxie_fl> hi varka
[03:59] <loops> anyone know of a mythfrontend livecd ?
[04:00] <superm1> loops, mythbuntu does
[04:00] <loops> really? great
[04:00] <superm1> we're still working on it (Its alpha), but the mythfrontend should run in live mode
[04:00] <loops> i'll give it a try
[04:01] <superm1> uses the same version of packages as Ubuntu does - so if your on trunk it won't work, but 0.20-fixes will
[04:02] <loops> still have someone who refuses linux on their laptop here.. and looking for a way to still let them use mythtv
[04:03] <loops> so if it works, it'll be exactly what i've been looking for
[04:03] <superm1> loops, it should for non HD stuff
[04:03] <loops> well no HD signal here.. so that's not  a problem
[05:19] <xeno_> superm1_, ibm just called :)
[05:26] <superm1> Daviey, you saw my notes about your packging?
[05:29] <Daviey> yes; but will be unable to make changes until i get home. :(
[05:29] <Daviey> thanks
[05:30] <superm1> we're up on the forums community council tomorrow
[05:30] <superm1> for the decision if we get a subforum
[05:30] <Daviey> O RLY
[05:30] <superm1> we don't need to attend afaik
[05:30] <Daviey> did we approach them?
[05:31] <superm1> they will discuss
[05:31] <superm1> It was recommended that a proposal be drawn up now
[05:31] <superm1> Since they only go through them once a month
[05:31] <superm1> and to give us time in case it was declined to find an alternate provider
[05:32] <Daviey> If they decline, forum on mythbuntu.org :)
[05:32] <Daviey> which incidently, i'd prefer :)
[05:32] <laga> YARLY
[05:32] <superm1> actually maybe we should attend if we can
[05:32] <Daviey> but ubuntu-forums is more accessible.
[05:32] <superm1> its in #ubuntu-meeting
[05:32] <superm1> tomorrow at 20:00 UTC
[05:32] <Daviey> I'll be there in anycase
[05:33] <laga> i'll join #ubuntu-meeting now so i won't forget
[05:33] <Daviey> superm1: Are you setting up a blog :)
[05:33] <Daviey> and you laga
[05:33] <superm1> should I?
[05:33] <laga> why?
[05:33] <Daviey> yep
[05:34] <superm1> I may not be able to be there right at 20:00, I have a RL meeting until 21:00, so hopefully i can make it
[05:37] <laga> superm1: um, did you want me to backport the mythweb auth stuff to 0.20?
[05:38] <superm1> That was the plan :)
[05:38] <superm1> if not, i'll do it
[05:38] <laga> heh
[05:38] <superm1> as long as it works on yours
[05:38] <laga> my svn version needs some very minor polishing, eg flushing the password.
[05:38] <laga> most of the code should be reusable.
[05:38] <superm1> mythbuntu's gui is all ready for the mythweb code to be used
[05:38] <laga> i'll try to get it done tonight, but no promises.
[05:38] <superm1> so ya know :)
[05:41] <xeno_> superm1,
[05:41] <xeno_> you see that message?
[05:42] <superm1> xeno_, which one?
[05:42] <xeno_> oh i sent it to your other login
[05:42] <xeno_> ibm just called me :)
[05:42] <superm1> that was quick :)
[05:42] <xeno_> yup, she sai dshe wants me, i have to talk to th elead programmer to see if its what i want to do then ill come in and get setup with HR
[05:42] <xeno_> and she said she wants me to start ASAP
[05:42] <superm1> well than I might be seeing you on sametime really soon :)
[05:42] <xeno_> haha sounds good
[05:42] <xeno_> cya
[05:43] <superm1> cya
[05:50] <Daviey> Is openGL painter for frontend currently borked?
[05:51] <Daviey> tried it last night, and it just crashed out
[05:51] <superm1> in 0.20-fixes or trunk?
[05:51] <Daviey> current feisty
[05:51] <superm1> its fine
[05:51] <superm1> i use it :)
[05:51] <superm1> are you using a fglrx card?
[05:52] <Daviey> er
[05:52] <Daviey> dunno
[05:52] <Daviey> no, i'm using nvida free drivers
[05:52] <superm1> you need to use proprietary ones
[05:52] <superm1> for it to work
[05:52] <superm1> for nvidia
[05:56] <Daviey> ah
[05:56] <laga> the free ones don't support opengl ;)
[05:56] <Daviey> isn't that a bug tho?
[05:56] <Daviey> shouldn't it test on launch?
[05:56] <Daviey> 'cause you pretty skrewed as you can't easily change it back
[05:57] <superm1> well actually
[05:57] <superm1> mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[05:57] <laga> 17:55 < Falballa`> laga: 'painter' could be myth{frontend|tv-setup} -O ThemePainter=qt
[05:57] <laga> darn he was faster ;)
[05:57] <Daviey> heh; no database hacking needed
[05:57] <superm1> the secret is not thinking - just typing
[05:58] <laga> the force is strong in this one
[05:58] <laga> superm1: kinda like coding?
[05:58] <superm1> exactly
[05:59] <Daviey> all good providing you have a venus flytrap on your desk to catch all your bugs :)
[05:59] <Daviey> anyway, hometime yah
[05:59] <superm1> cya Daviey
[06:09] <laga> i have a venus fly trap in my room ;)
[06:22] <loops> superm1:  i gave mythbuntu a shot.   It doesn't seem to handle wireless passkeys, so i had to find an old network cable to go futher..
[06:22] <loops> then got a  myth protocol error..  i guess i am working with too new a version of myth backend :(
[06:22] <superm1> loops, yea- its a fairly minimalistic setup, wireless can be configured - but its not an easy way
[06:23] <superm1> loops, what version of myth are you running?
[06:23] <superm1> whose packages?
[06:23] <loops> superm1, yeah.. i tried using iwconfig etc.. but read in man page that passkeys are not yet supported  (which is how my router is setup)
[06:23] <loops> superml, i'm on gentoo right now
[06:23] <superm1> then you should be on 0.20-fixes
[06:23] <superm1> which is whats supported
[06:23] <loops> mythtv-0.20.1_p13344
[06:24] <superm1> yea there shouldnt be any reason for that not to work
[06:24] <loops> strange..  took a bit of fiddling to get mysql setup properly..
[06:24] <loops> but once it was working it looked like everything was just-going-to-work
[06:24] <superm1> double clicking the link on the desktop?
[06:24] <superm1> should have asked for mysql info
[06:24] <superm1> which you just enter and things should launch
[06:25] <loops> yes.. problem was on backend
[06:25] <superm1> ah to make a remote frontend allowed to connect
[06:25] <loops> yes
[06:25] <loops> well.. i'm not confident that i have backend running properly for mythfrontend to connect
[06:25] <loops> which port should it use  ?  6543 ?
[06:26] <superm1> standard ports
[06:26] <superm1> are 6543
[06:26] <superm1> and you used your ip address in mythtv-setup
[06:26] <superm1> on the backend
[06:26] <superm1> not 127.0.0.1
[06:26] <superm1> right?
[06:26] <loops> right..
[06:26] <superm1> in *both* boxes
[06:26] <loops> i changed that by hand in mysql
[06:26] <loops> hmm...  oh
[06:26] <superm1> open it in mythtv-setup
[06:26] <loops> are you speaking on frontend or back?
[06:26] <superm1> you'll see what i mean
[06:26] <superm1> on the backend
[06:26] <loops> okay.. 1 sec
[06:27] <superm1> and you need to restart the backend after the changes
[06:27] <superm1> to make them take effect
[06:27] <loops> right.. top box still had 127.0.0.1
[06:28] <superm1> that would be trouble
[06:28] <loops> running downstairs to try again :) brb
[06:42] <loops> superm1, much better :)
[06:42] <superm1> loops, workin now :)
[06:43] <loops> superm1, tv viewing worked well  (although a bit slow, said no XVideo surface found, falling back to shared mem)
[06:43] <superm1> loops, what vid card?
[06:43] <loops> i'm not sure what's in that laptop.. i think its some nvidia card
[06:43] <superm1> oh so it likely used the vesa driver
[06:43] <loops> anything to do about that?
[06:43] <superm1> since proprietary drivers aren't activated on disk atm
[06:43] <loops> okay
[06:44] <loops> one other thing
[06:44] <superm1> well in live mode, that is a bit of a trouble for us to sort out still
[06:44] <loops> when i try to go into  program guide (S key) while watching tv... it crashed
[06:44] <loops> with long back trace...
[06:44] <loops> but i can't figure out how to capture it for you
[06:44] <loops> cut-n-paste doesn't seem to work..
[06:44] <superm1> on the newer alphas (than public alpha 1), we are activating proprietary drivers after install
[06:44] <superm1> but still not in live mode
[06:45] <loops> sure.. understandable.
[06:45] <superm1> where did the backtrace get made?
[06:45] <superm1> into a core dump?
[06:45] <loops> no.. it was a glib error (free more than once i think)
[06:46] <loops> i tried running   mythfrontend  2> grabit
[06:46] <superm1> loops, which alpha did you grab?
[06:46] <loops> but it still went to terminal screen rather than file
[06:46] <loops> Mythbuntu 7.04 x86 (Alpha: 06/03/2007) ISO
[06:46] <superm1> interesting to see glib errors off that....
[06:47] <loops> wish i knew how to capture it for u
[06:47] <superm1> well i'm not too sure it will be helpful either way
[06:47] <superm1> apport isn't active on that disk
[06:47] <superm1> to make it a meaningful backtrace
[06:47] <loops> right
[06:48] <loops> it was all cryptic to me
[06:48] <superm1> well all I an say is see if the 7.10 disks work better.  we'll be announcing one within the next few weeks
[06:48] <superm1> and apport will be on
[06:48] <superm1> so we can catch your backtraces
[06:49] <loops> okay.. i'll keep on the lookout for that..
[06:49] <loops> thanks for all your help
[06:49] <superm1> you can consider too - making your roomate's laptop a dual boot
[06:49] <superm1> one option could boot him right into mythbuntu or ubuntu and the other into his other os
[06:50] <loops> yeah..  i remember hearing something recently about being able to run linux on top of windows without having to reformat hard drive
[06:50] <superm1> well *ubuntu installers can all resize a ntfs partition
[06:50] <loops> okay.. will see if i can talk her into it
[06:50] <superm1> as long as its clean before you start
[06:50] <loops> would make life easier :)
[06:50] <superm1> defrag
[06:50] <superm1> chkdsk etc
[06:50] <loops> right.. understood
[06:53] <superm1> ideally i'd like to have an option to use proprietary drivers in that live env, but there are a lot of barriers up in doing that
[06:54] <superm1> people would be able to use the disks for HD frontends if said barriers can be overcome
[10:27] <kruuli> superm1 had some more progress on my machine :>
[10:27] <kruuli> can now play movies in any player in 800x600
[10:27] <kruuli> kinda accepted it wont go any higher .. wont be a problem anyway when i use it on my plasma
[10:28] <kruuli> only thing left is to make mythtv play movies .. as i wont atm
[10:28] <superm1> mythvideo doesn't work?
[10:35] <kruuli> nope .. but havent really looked into that yet :)
[10:35] <reclusivemonkey> kruuli: mplayer will play pretty much anything you can throw at it. Just get mythvideo to use that and you should be fine
[10:38] <Daviey> Internal player ftw
[10:39] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: Are you using mythtv on feisty?
[10:39] <Daviey> yep
[10:39] <Daviey> well frontend feisty backend edgy atm
[10:39] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: I need to organise a day off to update; my mythtv box is still on Edgy
[10:40] <Daviey> my fe just upgraded without issue
[10:40] <Daviey> backed i'm a little 'edgy' about upgrading so might do a fresh install
[10:41] <superm1> Daviey, upgrade
[10:41] <superm1> if it doesnt work for you, how can you advocate it for others?
[10:41] <Daviey> heh
[10:41] <Daviey> to be fair, i have borked the backend quite nicely
[10:41] <Daviey> apt seems broken
[10:41] <reclusivemonkey> I have a BE/FE combined in the lounge, I have a FE on this desktop, but the connection isn't always great. I'm not sure whether its the wireless or the BE doesn't have enough power. I'm definitely a reinstall man myself :-S
[10:43] <kruuli> reclusivemonkey: well mplayer plays in ubuntu but not in mythtv
[10:43] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: it should just work.  it really should.  The only reason i'm not doing it is because i feel the current installation is 'dirty'
[10:43] <superm1> reinstalling is for the weak
[10:43] <superm1> tgm4883_, can tell you all about that :)
[10:43] <superm1> Daviey, how do you break apt?
[10:43] <reclusivemonkey> superm1: or those with kids who would make your life hell if the "telly" wasn't working...
[10:45] <superm1> my current myth install is a gentoo 2005.0->gentoo 2006.0->ubuntu dapper->ubuntu edgy->ubuntu feisty.  The only formatting was between gentoo -> ubuntu, and the db and recordings followed with
[10:46] <reclusivemonkey> superm1: you have kids? did this coincide with gentoo --> ubuntu ? ;-)
[10:46] <superm1> haha
[10:47] <superm1> total down time was a matter of a day
[10:47] <laga> he has a life now ;)
[10:47] <superm1> and thank goodness no kids here
[10:47] <reclusivemonkey> lol @ laga
[10:48] <kruuli> how old are you guys? .. just curious :>
[10:48] <Daviey> superm1: Using unoffical packages :)
[10:48] <superm1> well at that time - yes
[10:48] <reclusivemonkey> when I had time to tinker, I was happy to try anything and learn on the way. Its always the path of least resistance now
[10:48] <reclusivemonkey> 34
[10:48] <superm1> kruuli, 21, turning 22 later this summer
[10:48] <kruuli> 24 here .. turning 25 in july :>
[10:49] <laga> <- 20, turning 21 next year
[10:49] <Daviey> The kids aren't an issue; it's the misses.  She missed neighbours today (my fault)
[10:49] <laga> heh
[10:49] <OpenMedia> Bunch of children.
[10:49] <laga> well, a mythtress has to bear a lot with her geek
[10:49] <Daviey> oh yes.. very understandable
[10:49] <OpenMedia> Scary I was hacking code before most of you were born... Ok so I started coding at 11..
[10:50] <kruuli> OpenMedia haha :>
[10:50] <laga> OpenMedia: back in the day when rubber boots were made from leather, huh?
[10:50] <OpenMedia> Thats the one :0
[10:50] <Daviey> OpenMedia: bet you were a hardcore assembler for embedded devices by the age of 12 :)
[10:50] <OpenMedia> My good old ZX81.. Real coputing power
[10:51] <OpenMedia> Yup Z80 assembler at 12
[10:51] <Daviey> Ahhh the specy'
[10:51] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: At first you get "You're not having a computer in the lounge", next thing, your b@lls are being busted because "the thing isn't working!"
[10:51] <OpenMedia> Heck I was doing embedded development using Linux 9 years ago.
[10:52] <reclusivemonkey> OpenMedia: How old are you?
[10:52] <reclusivemonkey> My first computer was an Acorn Electron
[10:53] <OpenMedia> 37
[10:54] <reclusivemonkey> OpenMedia: Ah, the screech of code on cassette tape is music to your ears then ;-)
[10:54] <OpenMedia> Guys where is the gutsy mythbuntu iso
[10:54] <OpenMedia> Heck I could tell which game my brother was loading by the sound of the tape.
[10:56] <superm1> OpenMedia, http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso
[10:56] <OpenMedia> Ah sorry found it..
[10:56] <superm1> OpenMedia, be wary though, something is bugging up glib
[10:56] <OpenMedia> Now quite awake yet here
[10:56] <OpenMedia> Heck its just for a play in virtualbox
[10:56] <superm1> the installer is fairly functional now, but since glib is buggy, it doesnt always launch
[10:57] <superm1> i've been trying to track it down (it happens with the upstream ubuntu installer too)
[11:00] <reclusivemonkey> Has anyone from the UK signed up to the BBC Archive Trial?
[11:01] <superm1> rogue780, i think you might have encountered bug 106864 the other day
[11:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106864 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty boot fail "can't access tty" IDE SATA problem" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106864
[11:02] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: no; but wish i had
[11:02] <rogue780> superm1, that sounds about right
[11:02] <Daviey> didn't hear about it until too late
[11:02] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: there's not that much on at the moment. 372 programs so far. Quite a varied bunch though
[11:03] <Daviey> booo.  wish i was
[11:03] <Daviey> Is it using DRM?
[11:03] <superm1> rogue780, so it is all gutsy round then.  good to hear at least
[11:04] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: Can't see there being any issue with you using my log in; reclusive.monkey@gmail.com PIN: 580896
[11:04] <reclusivemonkey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/trial
[11:05] <superm1> reclusivemonkey, you shouldnt have posted that in this channel
[11:05] <superm1> its logged
[11:05] <superm1> you might want to change the pin and pm it to Daviey
[11:05] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: nope WMV or RP
[11:06] <Daviey> yeah; might be an idea to change it if you can
[11:07] <Daviey> But thanks; i really appreciate it!
[11:08] <reclusivemonkey> superm1 Daviey TBH I don't think I'll use it much. Not sure I can change the pin...
[11:08] <superm1> Daviey, I was thinking today after i spoke to loops
[11:08] <superm1> what if 3 boot options were available
[11:08] <superm1> 1) Install or Run Mythbuntu (Free Graphics Drivers)
[11:09] <superm1> 2) Install or Run Mythbuntu (ATI Proprietary Graphics Driver)
[11:09] <superm1> 3) Install or Run Mythbuntu (NVIDIA Proprietary Graphics Driver)
[11:09] <superm1> and casper was used to append a part of the filesystem
[11:09] <superm1> that included the appropriate piece
[11:09] <kruuli> 4) Install or Run Mythbuntu (Unichrome Driver)
[11:09] <kruuli> ^^
[11:10] <Daviey> good idea
[11:10] <superm1> I'm not sure how feasible it actually is
[11:10] <Daviey> but what if johnny doesn't know what is best?
[11:10] <superm1> then he chooses Free
[11:10] <Daviey> okay
[11:10] <superm1> i heard that casper could do such magic though
[11:10] <superm1> because thats how you can save changesto flash drives
[11:11] <Daviey> maybe hold old though - i' certain they must be working on something dor this upstream
[11:11] <superm1> well i asked in ubuntu-installer about it
[11:11] <superm1> didnt get an answer
[11:11] <superm1> cjwatson is out of town though
[11:11] <superm1> he would be the most likely person to ask
[11:12] <Daviey> bbl 10
[11:14] <rogue780> superm1, has there been any consideration for unichrome drivers in mythbuntu?
[11:15] <superm1> yes
[11:15] <superm1> its on the horizon
[11:15] <superm1> but have other things first
[11:15] <rogue780> sweet
[11:15] <superm1> someone needs to package it first if anything
[11:15] <superm1> so if anyone wants to step up and do that
[11:15] <superm1> i'll be glad to help revu it before hand
[11:15] <superm1> cd
[11:16] <laga> su -
[11:16] <superm1> root@#ubuntu-mythtv:>
[11:18] <rogue780> I wish I knew how to package things
[11:19] <superm1> rogue780, if you'd like to learn, there are plenty of people around that would be glad to help
[11:19] <superm1> !packagingguide
[11:19] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[11:19] <superm1> is a good start
[11:19] <rogue780> thanks
[11:19] <superm1> i've got a pretty good idea what it will take to pakcage these openchrome drivers
[11:19] <superm1> just no time to execute that
[11:22] <superm1> Daviey, come to think of it - if that idea works for proprietary drivers
[11:22] <superm1> using casper
[11:23] <superm1> that means that virtual machine accelerated drivers can be done too that way
[11:23] <superm1> this can really be something neat
[11:24] <laga> "virtual machine accelerated drivers"? what do you mean? i think there'll be some kind of unified interface in the kernel
[11:24] <superm1> well if you use virtual box
[11:24] <superm1> or vmware
[11:24] <superm1> they provide a "guest services"
[11:24] <superm1> pack
[11:24] <superm1> that includes a higher performance networking and display driver
[11:24] <laga> virtualbox provides a better networking driver? i didn't know that
[11:24] <superm1> oh indeed
[11:24] <laga> but you are right wrt the display driver
[11:25] <superm1> well i know that vmware does the networking
[11:25] <superm1> i'm pretty sure virtual box does too, but i'm not 100% on virtual box's networking
[11:26] <laga> vbox normally uses an AMD pcnet driver afaik
[11:27] <laga> heh
[11:27] <laga> FYI: i'm not working on mythweb, i'm packaging the perl bindings. i need them desperately
[11:28] <Daviey> virtual machines are great for demostrations; but i feel that is a minor feature requirement atm
[11:29] <superm1> well its a pretty easy add if the casper stuff works for proprietary drivers
[11:29] <Daviey> true
[11:30] <Daviey> How much time delay do you suspect making a change like this at runtime will take?
[11:31] <superm1> minimal
[11:31] <Daviey> cool
[11:31] <superm1> think of it this way
[11:31] <superm1> how long does that 380 meg image take to boot?
[11:31] <Daviey> fair point
[11:31] <laga> great. awesome, really. ./configure --prefix=/usr results in the perl bindings being installed to debian/mythtv/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/
[11:31] <superm1> you add another 40-50 megs more to it, and you'll have 40/380 or about a 10.5% increase
[11:32] <superm1> wow why?
[11:32] <superm1> broken upstream configure script?
[11:33] <laga> superm1: probably. i'll go through the last commits now to check if there is a fix. i don't want to svn up because of the latest ffmpeg merge
[11:33] <superm1> ah
[11:33] <superm1> laga, no network driver in virtual box additions
[11:33] <superm1> its vmware only
[11:34] <Daviey> why avoid latest ffmpeg?
[11:34] <Daviey> is it borked?
[11:34] <laga> Daviey: not necessarily, but those merges tend to introduce new bugs
[11:34] <Daviey> ah
[11:35] <superm1> they're teasing, hovering around 91-98 tickets this last week
[11:36] <superm1> Daviey, you better come back and get those themes in before running....
[11:36] <superm1> :)
[11:36] <Daviey> i'll take the laptop
[11:37] <superm1> what about web access?
[11:37] <Daviey> hopefully there will be unsecured wifi / bluetooth to mobile :)
[11:38] <Daviey> don't fancy doing 100meg dputs tho :s
[11:38] <Daviey> OT: don't suppose any of you guys have any idea about Bug 121612
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121612 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[sata_sil]  SATA PCI not working (chipset: SiI3512)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121612
[11:40] <superm1> can't say so
[11:41] <Daviey> :`(
[11:43] <kruuli> hey has anyone here ever played the game Just Cause?
[11:44] <laga> yup
[11:44] <laga> we do it all the time in #mythtv-users
[11:44] <laga> "why is my livetv broken
[11:44] <laga> "
[11:44] <laga> "just because"
[11:44] <Daviey> pmsl
[11:44] <kruuli> hah
[11:45] <laga> Daviey: at first, i thought you were making a PMS reference to the "just cause" thing
[11:45] <superm1> well i play a similar game with my old roomate who happens to be a vegetarian.  every time something goes wrong with him, his school, woemn, anything.  i blame it all on him being a vegetarian.
[11:47] <kruuli> heh my gf is a vegetarian aswell .. i like bloody meat .. so its not a good match :>
[11:48] <superm1> its a lot of fun to do, you should try it next time she starts complaining about something :)
[11:48] <Daviey> qemu virtualmachine provides rtl-8029 networking device
[11:48] <laga> just say "it's because you are a girl"
[11:49] <Daviey> kruuli: have you tried curing her?
[11:49] <Daviey> it can be overcome with support
[11:49] <Daviey> meat is *great*
[11:50] <kruuli> sure thing .. i still buy alot of meat cuting it up infront of her face .. always gets her in a good mood lol
[11:51] <rogue780> I wonder what kind of a front end this would make:
[11:51] <reclusivemonkey> http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/More-Like-DidgeriDont!.aspx
[11:51] <rogue780> http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT-7001&Show=TechSpecs
[11:52] <superm1> 366Mhz.....hmm
[11:52] <reclusivemonkey> * still kind of slow (366 MHz processor) <-- would that be enough for a FE?
[11:52] <superm1> i'd say not a good one
[11:52] <laga> no
[11:54] <Daviey> rogue780: http://www.jadeintegration.com/images/ani_chippc.gif  (animated gif)