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[12:38] <ardchoille> I feel this link should be posted in all ubuntu channels and possibly in the topics: http://tinyurl.com/ypjs7q
[12:40] <Pici> Did you read it? Its pretty bad PR for Ubuntu
[12:40] <ardchoille> Pici: Oh, in that case, belay my last. Sorry about that.
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[12:42] <mc44> "pushing IPv4 nonsense into the mainstream"
[12:42] <mc44> right...
[12:52] <mc44> wasn't eternaljoy banned?
[12:56] <nalioth> is he back?
[12:56] <mc44> in offtopic
[12:56] <mc44> and forums
[12:56] <Pici> the bantracker would agree that he was banned
[12:58] <PriceChild> seems like the one on nick was removed some time when ubotu wasn't around...
[12:59] <Pici> o.O that was back in 2006? I can almost swear I've seen him around since then
[01:00] <ubotu> qball called the ops in #ubuntuforums
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[01:28] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: eternaljoy has been being banned for the last year or so
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[03:14] <mneptok> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1764124/
[03:23] <jrib> he's looking at me!
[03:24] <mneptok> dunh dunh DUNNNNNH!
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[05:17] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, wols said: !ops lukealpha is trolling
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[06:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, wols said: !ops Penos is a spammer
[06:54] <nalioth> why isn't ubotu putting all the ops nicks into #ubuntu any more?
[06:55] <crdlb> because wols left out the |
[06:55] <nalioth> ah
[07:45] <ubotu> In #kubuntu-devel, nixternal said: !no nixternal is <reply>The Kubuntu Mastah!
[07:46] <nixternal> ;p
[07:48] <Pumpernickel> \o/
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[08:38] <ubotu> stefg called the ops in #ubuntu
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[10:48] <ubotu> oskude called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:49] <jrib> taken care of
[10:50] <nalioth> only in #ubuntu
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[10:55] <jrib> true
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[12:05] <crdlb> urgh!!!
[12:08] <gnomefreak> crdlb: urgh?
[12:08] <crdlb> envy :(
[12:08] <gnomefreak> cant be anyworse than "what is my motivation to do what you asked me to do"
[12:08] <gnomefreak> envy is garbage do it the easy way
[12:09] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: you mean with synaptic or restricted-manager?
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[12:09] <gnomefreak> either way i was thinking apt-get install but yeah those work too
[12:10] <gnomefreak> wish mvo would add if you see envy or automatix kill upgrade now and dont repeat untill gone
[12:10] <gnomefreak> to update-manager/apt dist-upgrade
[12:11] <ajmitch> can't
[12:11] <gnomefreak> why not?
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[12:11] <ajmitch> damage is already done
[12:11] <jrib> envy can't be that hard to undo can it?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: but it should run during scan
[12:11] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgrades
[12:11] <crdlb> jrib, it's impossible to undo
[12:11] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: yes, that part can be done
[12:11] <PriceChild> "Try to detect third party tools that may cause problems and refuse upgrade in this case (e.g. look into dpkg database and see if it was ever installed). This requires additional testing and research for common third party tools."
[12:11] <jrib> crdlb: what does it do?  I thought it just install the nvidia binary from nvidia.com
[12:12] <crdlb> yes and that screws with the l-r-m system in weird ways
[12:13] <gnomefreak> drivers from nvidia needs to build thier own restricted modules and with envy you lose the option to uninstall like you get with drivers package
[12:14] <gnomefreak> the install script has uninstall option
[12:14] <ajmitch> jrib: there are interesting things with nvidia packages like dpkg diversions, etc
[12:18] <jrib> I see, still seems like it could be reversed though
[12:18] <jrib> with automatix, there's so much it can do, that it's more difficult
[12:18] <ajmitch> then you force whoever hacks update-manager to put in workarounds & reversals for all sorts of 3rd party hacks
[12:19] <jrib> nah, just say "I've detected that you have used a 3rd party script which is likely to break upgrades and cannot continue.  Please undo what has been done"
[12:19] <nalioth> yes, automatix does irrecoverable things to Ubuntu
[12:20] <ajmitch> jrib: that's exactly what has been proposed
[12:20] <jrib> ajmitch: good idea then :)
[12:21] <ajmitch> does envy come as a package, or just as a script?
[12:22] <nalioth> what is envy?
[12:22] <crdlb> !envy
[12:22] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:22] <crdlb> ajmitch, it's a .deb
[12:22] <Burgundavia> installs ATI and Nvidia drivers
[12:22] <nalioth> not another one  <sigh>
[12:22] <jrib> ajmitch: packaged it seems
[12:22] <Burgundavia> and breaks computers
[12:22] <Burgundavia> nalioth: he is on place
[12:22] <Burgundavia> planet, rather
[12:23] <ajmitch> jrib: ok, that makes it far easier to detect if it's ever been on a system
[12:23] <mc44> people tend to try to install from the nvidia site, then try to use envy, then come to #ubuntu and say their nvidia doesn't work
[12:24] <crdlb> in that order :/
[12:24] <gnomefreak> ummmm its a .deb? if you can install that deb why cant you install nvidia-glx.deb
[12:24] <jrib> it's strange that "official" documentation is usually the last place people look