[12:15] wow, bug filing time... print to pdf produces really strange output [12:15] haven't used that feature in forever === nixternal ditches the rest of the evening from school === apacheLAGger [n=me@N828P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-130.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] mhb: ping === jpetso_away [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:06] RadiantFire: From mhb icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable [01:06] --- mhb ping statistics --- [01:07] 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 5015ms [01:07] , pipe 3 [01:07] ;) [01:12] RadiantFire: mhb's not been online all night === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-130.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:19] mmm... exciting [01:19] hrm +3 errors from 1 packet? [01:19] i find that highly unlikely === mbiebl_ [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-bd6bcb3ca59aabe6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl_ [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-d275a5993d6c8d6a] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua_ [n=huahua@60.20.54.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl_ [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-1297f79c091eafd5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-130.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheCreationist [n=elyon@c-71-205-65-72.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:58] Is there any word on when the Konversation bug will be fixed? [01:58] Strange thing going on with Konversation. Every time I start it up, the server list shows up, but can't be closed (there are no buttons and the X doesn't close it either). Also, it keeps opening a title-less tab and says it can't connect. Anyone else having this issue? === TheCreationist [n=elyon@c-71-205-65-72.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:11] apacheLAGger: backports broke, but I seem to have found a way to get it through now so it should be compiled in an hour or so [02:13] Riddell: ok, thanks :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:19] is there any standard testing for kde? [02:21] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Long === n8k99 [n=nathan@64.61.17.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:27] apacheLAGger: is there a licence on the amarok 1.4.6 image? [02:29] Riddell: creative commons by-nc === apacheLAGger is wondering off to bed [02:31] gotta get at least 3 hours of sleep this night ^_^ [02:31] cya === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-130.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [02:41] Riddell: i meant for apps === n8k99 [n=nathan@64.61.17.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Paleo is now known as Paleo === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-129.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.180.17] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-003-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72677.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.54.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-255-40-7.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db441e5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-129.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-47.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor_ [n=sebi@p57AEEB8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech sighs as whiney is back [05:14] lol! coreymon really can't let it go :) [05:14] No but as long as he is willing to get educated [05:14] we'll see how willing he is :P [05:14] better than waiting til October and OMGWTHTh3yLiiieee!!!!1111 [05:14] no ponies? [05:15] BBQ! [05:15] mmmm, bbqed ponies [05:15] heheh [05:24] ahh, the good ol' kde on windows chat ey [05:25] nixternal: yeah :) [05:25] there is/was a windows port somewhere I think [05:25] it won't run natively, just like with macos, there are a couple of ports out there [05:25] since he didn't believe us in #kubuntu, he sought aid in #kde... but I think he got the point now :) [05:25] yeah [05:26] well, I think it's a bit of KDE marketing fault anyway... this misconception about cross-platform-ability [05:26] I'm not sure that was ever advertised as he sees it [05:26] nixternal: how's vista? hehehe [05:26] !nixternal [05:26] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [05:27] don't know, haven't tried it [05:27] DaSkreech: no. but a lot of the "foo will run on Windows because Qt 4 is now GPL on Windows" hype in most KDE posts/stories is also to blame [05:27] right now I want to kill Gutsy [05:27] Yeah [05:27] that is true [05:27] nixternal: you mean it isn't dead yet? :) [05:28] I can't browse the intarweb [05:28] hehe :P [05:28] that's always fun :P [05:28] I can describe it to you [05:29] better yet, I can demonstrate. === Jucato cuts off DaSkreech's internet connection [05:29] I have 56k internet ins in my imagination anyway === Jucato googles on DaSkreech's imagination [05:30] Jun 21 16:11:17 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.host_name [05:30] wth? [05:30] /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 [05:31] why do people do uploads that destroy stuff? [05:32] because it's fun? :) [05:33] to annoy you [05:34] retarded! [05:34] I would love to file a bug on it, but I can't [05:34] ashu18: ls repair [05:35] What? === Jucato looks for someone to eat [05:35] err... something === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:40] hrmm, I think I may have found it [05:40] dhcpcd wasn't installed (marked un) for some odd reason [05:41] it should be uninstalled. [05:41] it's in universe. === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-129.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] but with it uninstalled, I don't get resolution [05:43] is there something else that is supposed to be offering it? [05:44] (you're splitting the conversation between here and #edubuntu) [05:46] ya, so I have noticed..isn't that neat! [05:47] ok, speaking of lure and his nm changes, this just started today, well it seems yesterday/last night, but something kicked in this afternoon that is making me really notice it [05:47] I thought the nm changes came through a few days ago === bdmurray [n=bdmurray@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:50] Jucato: help :) [05:55] well, dhcpqfufua didn't fix the problem [05:56] ponies! [05:58] I implied it wouldn't, as it's a universe package and has nothing to do with it [05:59] I'd chase it down myself, but I hate NM and use interfaces(5) with if{up,down} anyhow. [06:02] NM has always been a champ for me...this really sucks [06:02] I uninstalled it, and it works.../me takes hammer to laptop [06:03] nixternal: what is going on? === nixternal grabs email before system dies again [06:03] life is much simpler with interfaces(5) and if{up,down} [06:03] heh [06:03] crimsun: that is the way I used to do, NM is hands free :) [06:03] then again, if everyone used it, it wouldn't be shiny, icon-y, and spiffy [06:04] well, I could always write a silly script to detect when eth0 is down, to bring eth1 up and vice versa [06:30] I've been working on the S/MIME by default part of the Gutsy KDE plan spec and it turns out that one of the major barriers (this is relative - it's not particularly major I don't think) is adding use-agent to the user's gpg.conf file. I'd appreciate a pointer towards where I should be looking to make a change for that. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:32] gnupg-agent? [06:32] argh, ya, gpg.conf [06:32] use-agent tells gpg to use gnupg-agent [06:32] been a while since I configured all of that [06:33] Yeah. So the question is, if I want that by default if you have kmail isntalled, where do I make that change? [06:38] there's gpgconf(1) in the gnupg2 source. [06:39] Yes, but kmail depends on gnupg, not gnupg2. Maybe it doesn't matter. I'll look at it. [06:40] Which (gnupg vs gnupg2) is another thing I wonder about, but I don't need to worry it for S/MIME since that's gpgsm. [06:40] or you could provide a graphical hook [06:41] "click here to configure s/mime for your user" -> executes /usr/foo/adduse-agent-hook [06:41] Hmmm. That would be a possibility, but not ideal. I want it to just work. [06:42] How do per user conf files get added/modified in KDE? First time I've hit this kind of question. [06:43] likely depends on the app. I'm not familiar with any particular KDE system. [06:44] and I need to go house hunting in Columbia and Silver Spring today, so it's Z time. [06:44] OK. I guess I'll have to do some actual research. === ScottK drove through both those places today. [06:44] crimsun: How long are you in the area for? [06:44] I'm in Columbia presently. [06:45] I'm here until approximately 5 PM Fri 22 June. [06:45] Ah. About 20 minutes from me. [06:45] Cool. [06:45] Good night then. [06:51] KConfig === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:50] Hobbsee: I am working on some of your universe merges since I am bored, as long as you don't mind [07:50] ksensors, and now I am taking a look at syslog-summary === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F757FD.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:51] right [07:51] dont bother @ syslog-summary [07:52] well it is a sync if you feel up to it [07:52] nixternal: what's the version number of each? [07:53] nixternal: it's not a sync. [07:53] not yet, anyway [07:53] syslog is 1.12 [07:53] version number screwups [07:53] orly [07:53] 1.12-0.1 is the current debian version [07:53] if you check the ubuntu diff, you'll already see the debian change applied in there [07:53] right, then it's not a sync yet. [07:54] the only thing in the patch was changelog enteries [07:54] do a dpkg --compare-versions on the two version numbers === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@C298b.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEB8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:59] Hi Hobbsee [07:59] was there an amarok package ? [07:59] yes [07:59] it's been uploaded to the archive [08:00] Ah === asimon [n=asimon@dslb-084-058-250-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:05] strigiapplet can be sync'd (bug 121682) [08:05] Launchpad bug 121682 in strigiapplet "Please synce strigiapplet (0.5.1-2) from Debian Unstable(main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121682 [08:05] didn't mean to post that here [08:06] nixternal: now, about this email... :P === Hobbsee ponders what to write back === nixternal shivers [08:07] No announcements? [08:07] nixternal: of course i'm going to say yes, you goose :P === nixternal still shivers [08:07] haha, you called me a goose, wtheck [08:08] man, Riddell has nothing but Universe syncs, except for KDevelop, and there is no way in hell I am touching that one [08:12] haha [08:13] it just looks scary [08:14] they usually do [08:14] it's a good question as to whether they are scary or not [08:14] I need to start working more with KDevelop so I can get it down and all of the functionality [08:14] I would like to start working on creating an app from scratch [08:20] that'd be cool [08:20] so would i. but that doesnt make it on the immediate todo list :( === jpetso_away [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais_ [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_away is now known as jpetso === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:15] oh my, so many people looking for me === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.116.152] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:32] hi ;) [09:33] mhb: you're popular [09:33] hi Tonio_ [09:33] yop Hobbsee :) [09:33] yop mhb ;) [09:35] mhb: I'm packaging the current kdesudo to make tests and make a point on the missing features [09:35] mhb: would be nice to have a mailing list too... [09:37] mhb: didn't you commit your latest changes ? [09:38] mhb: still revision 19 afaics [09:51] Tonio_: no, not yet [09:51] mhb: okay ;) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0FF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillai_ [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:30] Tonio_: I can commit today, if you want [10:31] mhb: please do ;) [11:00] Tonio_: done [11:05] mhb: perfect :) === rdale [n=rdale@158.Red-88-2-176.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549568E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:13] Riddell: have any kdebase package to upload ? I'll prepare one with a few fixes (mostly desktop files work) [11:17] Tonio_: don't think so [11:18] Riddell: great [11:19] Riddell: also, abou what we discussed during the meeting in spain, what aot including klamav to kubuntu ? [11:19] s/aot/about [11:20] hum, the all clamav part is in universe.... sounds a good idea, but as ubuntu doesn't have plans about clamav, it is hard to consider getting everything to main just for kde no ? ;) [11:20] grumble, more stuff of the CD [11:20] Riddell: we dropped kexi right ? :) we should have a good amount of free space now [11:21] the DVDs are horribly oversized [11:21] hehe ok ;) [11:22] Riddell: the dvd includes all the main stuff or what ? [11:28] all supported === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:57] Tonio_: for revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5682 [11:58] Riddell: reviewing [12:07] Riddell: uploaded [12:08] rocking [12:08] congratulations Nightrose [12:09] ;-) thx Riddell - will tell the developers [12:09] ah the REVU? coooool ;-) [12:10] thought you where speaking of the amarok-release [12:10] Nightrose: [12:10] congratulations on that too :) [12:10] hehe === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:11] now you need to wait for klogshow to pass source NEW then binary NEW then once its in the archive you need to install and test it still all works [12:11] cool will do that [12:12] aplg: wohooooo thx for your help [12:19] Czessi: kubuntu poster stand arrived thanks [12:29] nice [12:32] hope it will be on a good place at akademy === Jucato [n=Jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387D190.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [i=0Z3TxwVd@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello062178070021.24.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:49] crimsun: Thanks. I'll look at that. Good luck on the house hunting. === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-037.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned_ [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-154-30.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-037.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] Riddell: oh, so *that's* what you look like in a kilt. [03:19] Hobbsee: he was not in kilt at last UDS? strange... [03:19] Lure: no he wasnt. [03:19] Lure: but he was at debconf [03:19] Hobbsee: yep, debconf foto is great === Lure is lookign forward for akademy photos ;-) [03:19] :) === Jucato is looking forward to better akademy videos :) [03:21] :P === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E432.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] Jucato: better than what? [03:37] anyone use bzr bd --merge to build? [03:37] looking for a way to sign using that way [03:38] Riddell: the audio of the video last year... but I'm not demanding/expecting... just hoping against hope :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vprints [n=laur@213-35-233-223-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-255-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@N860P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] Jucato: we will have better cameras this year (or they /should/ be for the price) [04:49] yay! :) === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi-m [n=czessi@tmo-100-1.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:21] Riddell: Is there a reason why kmailcvt (which is just a file format converter AFAICT) is still part of kubuntu-desktop when neither kmail nor konversation are required? [05:21] I suspect someone asked for it once === huahua_ [n=huahua@60.20.51.173] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:22] Riddell: Konversation used to be part of kubuntu-desktop, right? [05:22] should still be so [05:23] OK. I'm not seeing it. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong... [05:23] apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | less [05:23] there for me [05:24] Riddell: Sorry. I can't type today. I meant Kontact, not Konversation. [05:24] Urghh.. Need more coffee I think [05:24] that's in recommends [05:30] Riddell: It looks to me like kmailcvt should have gotten demoted to recommends at the same time as you demoted kmail and kontact. It's pretty useless without those. [05:31] seems fair, I'll change the seeds now [05:31] OK. I won't file a bug then.... ;-) [05:32] nixternal: tribe 2 out next week, able to do your usual top job on a wiki page? [05:33] Riddell: What I'm hunting for at the moment (when I noticed that) was the right point in the packaging system to add an option to ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf if kmail is installed. It's needed for the S/MIME by default. [05:33] Riddell: I'd love a hint/suggestion. [05:34] ScottK: you can't edit files in home directories from packages (what if a new user is created etc) [05:34] ScottK: yay @ pinentry-qt === A_Mani999 [n=amani-ko@59.93.215.64] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:34] Riddell: OK. What do I pick on to get that done? [05:35] ScottK: there would need to be a global gnupg config file [05:35] even then it's dodgy, kmail should set it at runtime perhaps [05:36] Riddell: But then if gnupg gets started first, you'd also have to give it a HUP to notice the change and what problems might that cause... [05:41] Hobbsee: Have you got any ideas on this? To make S/MIME work we need use-agent in gpg.conf [05:42] ScottK: it's sticky. i'm assuming you'd need something like "install gpg support" inside kmail, with a sed. but that's very sucky. [05:43] Hobbsee: Alternatively, is there any harm in just making Ubuntu's gpg use-agent by default? It's well past being experimental now. [05:44] does gnupg-agent get auto-installed? [05:44] ScottK: might be a wise idea to ask seb128 about that - agents and such are still quite new to me too [05:44] oh, which reminds me - i wonder why they dont enable the ssh support for the gnupg-agent === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-073.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] Hobbsee: No, it doesn't. We have ssh-agent (or something close to that) for ssh. Isn't that enough? [05:45] ScottK: keychain? i'm nto sure which you're referring to [05:46] Hmmm. I don't recall now. I thought it was ssh-agent, but maybe it's all part of the same package and I've got it installed. === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] Remember, I'm old and forget stuff. [05:46] ssh-agent is mentioned elsewhere, but isnt in apt === ScottK has a process called ssh-agent that shows up when I ps -AF|grep agent, but I don't know what package installed it. [05:47] hi nosrednaekim [05:47] mhb: hey [05:48] Riddell: I'm trying to build kdemobiletools, but there is a hudge list of errors I don't understand... [05:48] nosrednaekim: what can I do for you? [05:48] ScottK: gnupg-agent, with the --ssh-enabled i suspect. or whatever ti is [05:48] Riddell: afaics, the header files are there, and there is no missing builddeps... [05:48] mhb: oh you caught Hobbsee and I talking yesterday? [05:48] Riddell: can you quickly have a look at http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/buildlog please ? [05:48] Hobbsee: For S/MIME it looks like a MIR for pinentry, getting the gpg.conf to say use-agent, and adjusting kmail depencies. I've got it sorted how to do it, now I need to figure how to package it. [05:48] mhb: I was wondering how the porting of restricted-manager to qt was going. [05:49] mhb: how's the restricted manager port going? [05:49] ScottK: sounds about right. i thought some of pinentry was already in main === ScottK will check again. [05:50] oh, no it isnt [05:50] nosrednaekim, Hobbsee: it hasn't started yet. Well, I'm going to start it soon. === Hobbsee nods [05:51] mhb: I'd like to help if that is possible [05:52] nosrednaekim: hmm, I'm not sure about that. [05:52] Riddell: please respond to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-June/000168.html [05:54] nosrednaekim: I'm paid as a part of SoC to do that, so I think I should be the one that does it [05:54] mhb: hmmm ok. === nosrednaekim wishes he were old enough to do summer of code [05:55] Riddell: I'm currently repackaging kdebluetooth to have the header files in it [05:55] nosrednaekim: how old are you? [05:55] Riddell: but that'll include a split with kdebluebluetooth, libkdebluetooth and libkdebluetooth-dev [05:55] 17 [05:55] Riddell: is that a big problem ? I just suspect we wll have to update the seeds right ? [05:55] nosrednaekim: If you want to hack on a Pyhon app, maybe Guidance upstream is looking for more help. [05:56] ScottK: ok. I guess they do need to port alot of stiff to qt4 [05:56] *stuff [05:56] nosrednaekim: wow [05:57] Hobbsee: :) [05:58] nosrednaekim: that means you're one year away from being eligible for SoC, right? [05:58] nosrednaekim: you could try next year's [05:58] mhb: I think you have to be in college, don't you? [05:58] nosrednaekim: nah [05:59] nosrednaekim: you just need to be a student [05:59] mhb: then i'll do it next year :) [05:59] that'll be fun summer job. [05:59] anyway, is there a channel for guidance or do I have to join their mailing list? [06:00] <_Sime_> you are on the channel [06:01] _Sime_: are you a developer for it? [06:03] _Sime_, sebas: oh, just to let you know, I haven't committed anything to grubconfig lately ( been busy with the Summer of Code), but I found a great guy ( xerosis ) who volunteered to hack on it. [06:04] Tonio_: no problem at all, but have you spoken to allee? [06:04] Riddell: how far is beta1 off? [06:04] (kde4)? [06:04] he doesn't have KDE SVN commit rights yet, so I'll commit once we (he) have something working [06:05] iirc, it should be published somewhere by now? [06:05] Hobbsee: not heard anything of it [06:05] my brain says the 24th. [06:05] it's late [06:05] 1 day off. 25th. [06:06] that's probably why. [06:06] nosrednaekim: You could always start with trying to figure guidance bugs in Kubuntu. [06:06] Riddell: nope, not yet, I'll of course do before any upload [06:06] Riddell: true that. it usually is. [06:06] Tonio_: what version are you packaging? [06:06] Riddell: how about the build issues, did you have a look ? [06:06] ScottK: ok [06:06] Tonio_: which build issue? [06:06] Riddell: of kmobiletools ? [06:07] Riddell: I'm not packaging a new version of kdebluetooth, just splitting the package, as kmobiletools requires kdebluetools headers [06:07] optional feature, but we have to use it ;) [06:07] ok [06:07] but allee is already looking at the new versions so ask him before doing too much [06:07] Riddell: on the other hand, I have a big build issue with the latest kmobiletools I don't understand [06:07] Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/buildlog [06:07] he has problems with them though [06:08] Riddell: looks like header files are missing, but the builddeps are there, and the include path seems to be correct so I don't understand.... === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:08] Riddell: hum okay [06:08] allee: ping when arround ;) [06:08] nosrednaekim: I also hacked a bit of guidance [06:08] Riddell: kdebluetooth shouldn't be a problem, the tricky part is kmobiletools.... [06:09] nosrednaekim: but only a tiny bit [06:09] Riddell: I think allee is looking towards to package the svn/dbus version of kdebluetooth, which is completly different packaging in fact :) [06:09] Tonio_: is it using the wrong version of qt? [06:09] Riddell: hum, I don't think so, let me look [06:10] mhb: I messed around with guidance power manager a little. [06:11] Riddell: I'll try to fix the qt includes path within the configure, we'll see [06:11] Riddell: we should have a compatible version of qt [06:12] Tonio_: I mean it might be picking up qt 4 headers when it wants qt 3 [06:12] although that shouldn't be possible [06:13] Riddell: builddep is libqt3-mt-dev..... [06:13] Riddell: no chance to pic up qt4, I'm building it in a chroot :) [06:13] nosrednaekim: if you want to have [06:13] nosrednaekim: your own project, I'm sure you could find one [06:14] nosrednaekim: qt3->qt4 plumbing gets boring often :o) boring, but necessary [06:14] Riddell: kde_qt_dirs="$QTDIR /usr/lib/qt3 /usr/lib/qt /usr/share/qt3" [06:14] Riddell: looks correct... [06:15] yes [06:15] Riddell: same for qt_incdir, /usr/includes/qt3 [06:15] I don't understand..... [06:15] mhb: yeah.. [06:16] Riddell: the only option is that the .h files are not included in the code, but that doesn't make sense, as the .cpp files failing are generated from the ui files, with qmake.... [06:16] Riddell: would it use qmake/qt4 ? [06:17] Riddell: no chance, no qt4 builddep...... I'm lost I must say [06:17] ScottK: whew.. plenty of bugs there to fix! i'll get to work ;) [06:18] nosrednaekim: I didn't think you'd be bored. Just remember that many of them relate to specific hardware/architectures so find one's you'll be able to reproduce/verify. [06:19] <_Sime_> nosrednaekim: sorry, I just ducked downstairs looking for food... Yes you are welcome to help hack on guidance. [06:19] Tonio_: put the sources somewhere and I can take a better look [06:20] Riddell: sure [06:21] Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/kmobiletools [06:21] Riddell: I am always able to do our release notes! [06:22] where be Lure! Network manager is broke! [06:23] it be working here . define broke? === Hobbsee pays networkmangler more money [06:24] heh [06:24] well I will see if it happens again today, but I would lose dns constantly [06:24] and when I shutdown network mangler, and did the ifup/ifdown stuff, I had no problems === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:01] nixternal: n-m has been broken for about a week now [07:01] it is weird, it just acted up last night [07:01] right now it is running fine [07:01] hmmm [07:02] nixternal: crimsu_n had problems 4days to a week ago with it maybe they fixed it? [07:02] I don't think so, because he was saying last night it is still broken === mbiebl [i=michael@conference/debconf/x-95c94991903206ad] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] not sure why it works for some and not others === cyt [n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@C298b.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:23] Nothing like a little power outage to brighten your day... Now back to the MIR for pinentry. [07:27] haha [07:27] fun stuff === Hobbsee crosses fingers [07:27] oh wait, it's not summer here [07:31] Hobbsee: wanna switch? [07:31] hate this heat [07:31] and bright light [07:32] I have something like 30'C or more inside [07:33] and I have kept curtains closed all day [07:33] hurts! === Arby [n=richard@82.153.8.93] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] Tm_T: yes please. === Hobbsee doenst like cold. === DaSkreech hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs DaSkreech === Hobbsee --> bed === hunger [n=tobias@p54A72677.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-095.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:09] http://www.videotopic.com/linux.html [08:19] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPinentry is ready for you to look at and tell me how I screwed it up. === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:21] ScottK: oh tsk [08:21] it's wiki.Kubuntu.org! [08:22] heh. [08:22] Hmmm [08:22] :) [08:23] Silly me. Sorry. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPinentry [08:24] ScottK: looks good to me [08:24] please add to queue and ping pitti [08:24] Riddell: Thanks. Over to you then. [08:24] I suspect it'll take some time to review [08:25] Right. [08:25] That's why I did it now. [08:25] I've added it to the queue. WIll ping pitti. Thanks. [08:30] thank you [08:30] Riddell: Do we need to do the bit in the MIR process about adding it as a depenency to a package in Main now? [08:30] it should be added to the seeds [08:31] Then that goes on the list for the discussion with pitti? [08:32] I can add it now [08:33] OK. Sounds good. Pitti's not on IRC now, so I guess I'll catch him next week. === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72677.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:53] Why doesn't the knetworkmanager connect me anymore? [08:54] well, not automatically at least. I plug in my network cable and it beeps but does not initialize the connection. === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-095.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [08:57] Tonio_'s the network manager man now === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] Riddell: I have to work a bit more on it.... at the moment I am just the knetworkmanager man, as I've always been :) [09:05] the gnome part is something that is very different from what I know :) [09:06] hunger_t: that's a known bug, we're waiting for a fix [09:06] it automatically goes on the plugin mode even if no cable is present.... [09:06] hunger_t: a fix will be there before gutsy is out for sure [09:26] Tonio_: Thanks for the update. [09:28] Tonio_: speaking of network mangler...I was having dns issues last night, and it wasn't 100% proven to be nm, however closing nm and using cli tools worked fine [09:29] nixternal: hum strange.... [09:29] nixternal: ping me if you can reproduce that [09:29] nixternal: did you do updates yesterday ? [09:29] yes [09:30] n-m doesn't like when dbus is restarted/reloaded sometimes :) [09:30] and after them is when I noticed some strangeness at school [09:30] Tonio_: that was the errors as a matter of fact, something to do with dbus === nixternal checks messages [09:30] in fact it is knetworkmanager that looses the connection to n-m via dbus [09:30]