[12:15] <RadiantFire> wow, bug filing time... print to pdf produces really strange output
[12:15] <RadiantFire> haven't used that feature in forever
[01:03] <RadiantFire> mhb: ping
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> RadiantFire: From mhb icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> --- mhb ping statistics ---
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 5015ms
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> , pipe 3
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[01:12] <xerosis_> RadiantFire: mhb's not been online all night
[01:19] <RadiantFire> mmm... exciting
[01:19] <RadiantFire> hrm +3 errors from 1 packet?
[01:19] <RadiantFire> i find that highly unlikely
[01:58] <TheCreationist> Is there any word on when the Konversation bug will be fixed?
[01:58] <TheCreationist> Strange thing going on with Konversation.  Every time I start it up, the server list shows up, but can't be closed (there are no buttons and the X doesn't close it either).  Also, it keeps opening a title-less tab and says it can't connect.  Anyone else having this issue?
[02:11] <Riddell> apacheLAGger: backports broke, but I seem to have found a way to get it through now so it should be compiled in an hour or so
[02:13] <apacheLAGger> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[02:19] <xerosis_> is there any standard testing for kde?
[02:21] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Long
[02:27] <Riddell> apacheLAGger: is there a licence on the amarok 1.4.6 image?
[02:29] <apacheLAGger> Riddell: creative commons by-nc
[02:31] <apacheLAGger> gotta get at least 3 hours of sleep this night ^_^
[02:31] <apacheLAGger> cya
[02:41] <xerosis_> Riddell: i meant for apps
[05:14] <Jucato> lol! coreymon really can't let it go :)
[05:14] <DaSkreech> No but as long as he is willing to get educated
[05:14] <Jucato> we'll see how willing he is :P
[05:14] <DaSkreech> better than waiting til October and OMGWTHTh3yLiiieee!!!!1111
[05:14] <ajmitch> no ponies?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> BBQ!
[05:15] <ajmitch> mmmm, bbqed ponies
[05:15] <Jucato> heheh
[05:24] <nixternal> ahh, the good ol' kde on windows chat ey
[05:25] <Jucato> nixternal: yeah :)
[05:25] <nixternal> there is/was a windows port somewhere I think
[05:25] <nixternal> it won't run natively, just like with macos, there are a couple of ports out there
[05:25] <Jucato> since he didn't believe us in #kubuntu, he sought aid in #kde... but I think he got the point now :)
[05:25] <DaSkreech> yeah
[05:26] <Jucato> well, I think it's a bit of KDE marketing fault anyway... this misconception about cross-platform-ability
[05:26] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure that was ever advertised as he sees it
[05:26] <Jucato> nixternal: how's vista? hehehe
[05:26] <DaSkreech> !nixternal
[05:26] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[05:27] <nixternal> don't know, haven't tried it
[05:27] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no. but a lot of the "foo will run on Windows because Qt 4 is now GPL on Windows" hype in most KDE posts/stories is also to blame
[05:27] <nixternal> right now I want to kill Gutsy
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:27] <DaSkreech> that is true
[05:27] <Jucato> nixternal: you mean it isn't dead yet? :)
[05:28] <nixternal> I can't browse the intarweb
[05:28] <Jucato> hehe :P
[05:28] <Jucato> that's always fun :P
[05:28] <DaSkreech> I can describe it to you
[05:29] <Jucato> better yet, I can demonstrate.
[05:29] <DaSkreech> I have 56k internet ins in my imagination anyway
[05:30] <nixternal> Jun 21 16:11:17 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.host_name
[05:30] <nixternal> wth?
[05:30] <nixternal> /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1
[05:31] <nixternal> why do people do uploads that destroy stuff?
[05:32] <Jucato> because it's fun? :)
[05:33] <ajmitch> to annoy you
[05:34] <nixternal> retarded!
[05:34] <nixternal> I would love to file a bug on it, but I can't
[05:34] <DaSkreech> ashu18: ls repair
[05:35] <DaSkreech> What?
[05:35] <Jucato> err... something
[05:40] <nixternal> hrmm, I think I may have found it
[05:40] <nixternal> dhcpcd wasn't installed (marked un) for some odd reason
[05:41] <crimsun> it should be uninstalled.
[05:41] <crimsun> it's in universe.
[05:42] <nixternal> but with it uninstalled, I don't get resolution
[05:43] <nixternal> is there something else that is supposed to be offering it?
[05:44] <crimsun> (you're splitting the conversation between here and #edubuntu)
[05:46] <nixternal> ya, so I have noticed..isn't that neat!
[05:47] <nixternal> ok, speaking of lure and his nm changes, this just started today, well it seems yesterday/last night, but something kicked in this afternoon that is making me really notice it
[05:47] <nixternal> I thought the nm changes came through a few days ago
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: help :)
[05:55] <nixternal> well, dhcpqfufua didn't fix the problem
[05:56] <DaSkreech> ponies!
[05:58] <crimsun> I implied it wouldn't, as it's a universe package and has nothing to do with it
[05:59] <crimsun> I'd chase it down myself, but I hate NM and use interfaces(5) with if{up,down} anyhow.
[06:02] <nixternal> NM has always been a champ for me...this really sucks
[06:02] <nixternal> I uninstalled it, and it works.../me takes hammer to laptop
[06:03] <bdmurray> nixternal: what is going on?
[06:03] <crimsun> life is much simpler with interfaces(5) and if{up,down}
[06:03] <bdmurray> heh
[06:03] <nixternal> crimsun: that is the way I used to do, NM is hands free :)
[06:03] <crimsun> then again, if everyone used it, it wouldn't be shiny, icon-y, and spiffy
[06:04] <nixternal> well, I could always write a silly script to detect when eth0 is down, to bring eth1 up and vice versa
[06:30] <ScottK> I've been working on the S/MIME by default part of the Gutsy KDE plan spec and it turns out that one of the major barriers (this is relative - it's not particularly major I don't think) is adding use-agent to the user's gpg.conf file.  I'd appreciate a pointer towards where I should be looking to make a change for that.
[06:32] <nixternal> gnupg-agent?
[06:32] <nixternal> argh, ya, gpg.conf
[06:32] <nixternal> use-agent tells gpg to use gnupg-agent
[06:32] <nixternal> been a while since I configured all of that
[06:33] <ScottK> Yeah.  So the question is, if I want that by default if you have kmail isntalled, where do I make that change?
[06:38] <crimsun> there's gpgconf(1) in the gnupg2 source.
[06:39] <ScottK> Yes, but kmail depends on gnupg, not gnupg2.  Maybe it doesn't matter.  I'll look at it.
[06:40] <ScottK> Which (gnupg vs gnupg2) is another thing I wonder about, but I don't need to worry it for S/MIME since that's gpgsm.
[06:40] <crimsun> or you could provide a graphical hook
[06:41] <crimsun> "click here to configure s/mime for your user" -> executes /usr/foo/adduse-agent-hook
[06:41] <ScottK> Hmmm.  That would be a possibility, but not ideal.  I want it to just work.
[06:42] <ScottK> How do per user conf files get added/modified in KDE?  First time I've hit this kind of question.
[06:43] <crimsun> likely depends on the app.  I'm not familiar with any particular KDE system.
[06:44] <crimsun> and I need to go house hunting in Columbia and Silver Spring today, so it's Z time.
[06:44] <ScottK> OK.  I guess I'll have to do some actual research.
[06:44] <ScottK> crimsun: How long are you in the area for?
[06:44] <crimsun> I'm in Columbia presently.
[06:45] <crimsun> I'm here until approximately 5 PM Fri 22 June.
[06:45] <ScottK> Ah.  About 20 minutes from me.
[06:45] <ScottK> Cool.
[06:45] <ScottK> Good night then.
[06:51] <nixternal> KConfig
[07:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I am working on some of your universe merges since I am bored, as long as you don't mind
[07:50] <nixternal> ksensors, and now I am taking a look at syslog-summary
[07:51] <Hobbsee> right
[07:51] <Hobbsee> dont bother @ syslog-summary
[07:52] <nixternal> well it is a sync if you feel up to it
[07:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what's the version number of each?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's not a sync.
[07:53] <Hobbsee> not yet, anyway
[07:53] <nixternal> syslog is 1.12
[07:53] <Hobbsee> version number screwups
[07:53] <nixternal> orly
[07:53] <nixternal> 1.12-0.1 is the current debian version
[07:53] <Hobbsee> if you check the ubuntu diff, you'll already see the debian change applied in there
[07:53] <Hobbsee> right, then it's not a sync yet.
[07:54] <nixternal> the only thing in the patch was changelog enteries
[07:54] <Hobbsee> do a dpkg --compare-versions on the two version numbers
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[07:59] <DaSkreech> was there an amarok package ?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:59] <Hobbsee> it's been uploaded to the archive
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Ah
[08:05] <nixternal> strigiapplet can be sync'd (bug 121682)
[08:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121682 in strigiapplet "Please synce strigiapplet (0.5.1-2) from Debian Unstable(main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121682
[08:05] <nixternal> didn't mean to post that here
[08:06] <Hobbsee> nixternal: now, about this email... :P
[08:07] <DaSkreech> No announcements?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: of course i'm going to say yes, you goose :P
[08:07] <nixternal> haha, you called me a goose, wtheck
[08:08] <nixternal> man, Riddell has nothing but Universe syncs, except for KDevelop, and there is no way in hell I am touching that one
[08:12] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:13] <nixternal> it just looks scary
[08:14] <Hobbsee> they usually do
[08:14] <Hobbsee> it's a good question as to whether they are scary or not
[08:14] <nixternal> I need to start working more with KDevelop so I can get it down and all of the functionality
[08:14] <nixternal> I would like to start working on creating an app from scratch
[08:20] <Hobbsee> that'd be cool
[08:20] <Hobbsee> so would i.  but that doesnt make it on the immediate todo list :(
[09:15] <mhb> oh my, so many people looking for me
[09:32] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> mhb: you're popular
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[09:33] <Tonio_> yop Hobbsee :)
[09:33] <Tonio_> yop mhb ;)
[09:35] <Tonio_> mhb: I'm packaging the current kdesudo to make tests and make a point on the missing features
[09:35] <Tonio_> mhb: would be nice to have a mailing list too...
[09:37] <Tonio_> mhb: didn't you commit your latest changes ?
[09:38] <Tonio_> mhb: still revision 19 afaics
[09:51] <mhb> Tonio_: no, not yet
[09:51] <Tonio_> mhb: okay ;)
[10:30] <mhb> Tonio_: I can commit today, if you want
[10:31] <Tonio_> mhb: please do ;)
[11:00] <mhb> Tonio_: done
[11:05] <Tonio_> mhb: perfect :)
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: have any kdebase package to upload ? I'll prepare one with a few fixes (mostly desktop files work)
[11:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't think so
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, abou what we discussed during the meeting in spain, what aot including klamav to kubuntu ?
[11:19] <Tonio_> s/aot/about
[11:20] <Tonio_> hum, the all clamav part is in universe.... sounds a good idea, but as ubuntu doesn't have plans about clamav, it is hard to consider getting everything to main just for kde no ? ;)
[11:20] <Riddell> grumble, more stuff of the CD
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: we dropped kexi right ? :) we should have a good amount of free space now
[11:21] <Riddell> the DVDs are horribly oversized
[11:21] <Tonio_> hehe ok ;)
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the dvd includes all the main stuff or what ?
[11:28] <Riddell> all supported
[11:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: for revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5682
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: reviewing
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded
[12:08] <Riddell> rocking
[12:08] <Riddell> congratulations Nightrose
[12:09] <Nightrose> ;-) thx Riddell - will tell the developers
[12:09] <Nightrose> ah the REVU? coooool ;-)
[12:10] <Nightrose> thought you where speaking of the amarok-release
[12:10] <Riddell> Nightrose:
[12:10] <Riddell> congratulations on that too :)
[12:10] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:11] <Riddell> now you need to wait for klogshow to pass source NEW then binary NEW then once its in the archive you need to install and test it still all works
[12:11] <Nightrose> cool will do that
[12:12] <Nightrose> aplg: wohooooo thx for your help
[12:19] <Riddell> Czessi: kubuntu poster stand arrived thanks
[12:29] <emonkey-f> nice 
[12:32] <emonkey-f> hope it will be on a good place at akademy 
[01:49] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll look at that.  Good luck on the house hunting.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, so *that's* what you look like in a kilt.
[03:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: he was not in kilt at last UDS? strange...
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: no he wasnt.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: but he was at debconf
[03:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, debconf foto is great
[03:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:35] <Riddell> Jucato: better than what?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> anyone use bzr bd --merge to build?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> looking for a way to sign using that way
[03:38] <Jucato> Riddell: the audio of the video last year... but I'm not demanding/expecting... just hoping against hope :)
[04:48] <Riddell> Jucato: we will have better cameras this year (or they /should/ be for the price)
[04:49] <Jucato> yay! :)
[05:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Is there a reason why kmailcvt (which is just a file format converter AFAICT) is still part of kubuntu-desktop when neither kmail nor konversation are required?
[05:21] <Riddell> I suspect someone asked for it once
[05:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Konversation used to be part of kubuntu-desktop, right?
[05:22] <Riddell> should still be so
[05:23] <ScottK> OK.  I'm not seeing it.  Maybe I'm looking at it wrong...
[05:23] <Riddell> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | less
[05:23] <Riddell> there for me
[05:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Sorry.  I can't type today.  I meant Kontact, not Konversation.
[05:24] <ScottK> Urghh.. Need more coffee I think
[05:24] <Riddell> that's in recommends
[05:30] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks to me like kmailcvt should have gotten demoted to recommends at the same time as you demoted kmail and kontact.  It's pretty useless without those.
[05:31] <Riddell> seems fair, I'll change the seeds now
[05:31] <ScottK> OK.  I won't file a bug then.... ;-)
[05:32] <Riddell> nixternal: tribe 2 out next week, able to do your usual top job on a wiki page?
[05:33] <ScottK> Riddell: What I'm hunting for at the moment (when I noticed that) was the right point in the packaging system to add an option to ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf if kmail is installed.  It's needed for the S/MIME by default.
[05:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd love a hint/suggestion.
[05:34] <Riddell> ScottK: you can't edit files in home directories from packages (what if a new user is created etc)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yay @ pinentry-qt
[05:34] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  What do I pick on to get that done?
[05:35] <Riddell> ScottK: there would need to be a global gnupg config file
[05:35] <Riddell> even then it's dodgy, kmail should set it at runtime perhaps
[05:36] <ScottK> Riddell: But then if gnupg gets started first, you'd also have to give it a HUP to notice the change and what problems might that cause...
[05:41] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Have you got any ideas on this?  To make S/MIME work we need use-agent in gpg.conf
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it's sticky.  i'm assuming you'd need something like "install gpg support" inside kmail, with a sed.  but that's very sucky.
[05:43] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Alternatively, is there any harm in just making Ubuntu's gpg use-agent by default?  It's well past being experimental now.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> does gnupg-agent get auto-installed?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK: might be a wise idea to ask seb128 about that - agents and such are still quite new to me too
[05:44] <Hobbsee> oh, which reminds me - i wonder why they dont enable the ssh support for the gnupg-agent
[05:45] <ScottK> Hobbsee: No, it doesn't.  We have ssh-agent (or something close to that) for ssh.  Isn't that enough?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> ScottK: keychain?  i'm nto sure which you're referring to
[05:46] <ScottK> Hmmm.  I don't recall now.  I thought it was ssh-agent, but maybe it's all part of the same package and I've got it installed.
[05:46] <ScottK> Remember, I'm old and forget stuff.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> ssh-agent is mentioned elsewhere, but isnt in apt
[05:47] <mhb> hi nosrednaekim
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> mhb: hey
[05:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to build kdemobiletools, but there is a hudge list of errors I don't understand...
[05:48] <mhb> nosrednaekim: what can I do for you?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ScottK: gnupg-agent, with the --ssh-enabled i suspect.  or whatever ti is
[05:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaics, the header files are there, and there is no missing builddeps...
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> mhb: oh you caught Hobbsee and I talking yesterday?
[05:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you quickly have a look at http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/buildlog please ?
[05:48] <ScottK> Hobbsee: For S/MIME it looks like a MIR for pinentry, getting the gpg.conf to say use-agent, and adjusting kmail depencies.  I've got it sorted how to do it, now I need to figure how to package it.
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I was wondering how the porting of restricted-manager to qt was going.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: how's the restricted manager port going?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ScottK: sounds about right.  i thought some of pinentry was already in main
[05:50] <Hobbsee> oh, no it isnt
[05:50] <mhb> nosrednaekim, Hobbsee: it hasn't started yet. Well, I'm going to start it soon.
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I'd like to help if that is possible
[05:52] <mhb> nosrednaekim: hmm, I'm not sure about that.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: please respond to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-June/000168.html
[05:54] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I'm paid as a part of SoC to do that, so I think I should be the one that does it
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> mhb: hmmm ok.
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently repackaging kdebluetooth to have the header files in it
[05:55] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: how old are you?
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that'll include a split with kdebluebluetooth, libkdebluetooth and libkdebluetooth-dev
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> 17
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that a big problem ? I just suspect we wll have to update the seeds right ?
[05:55] <ScottK> nosrednaekim: If you want to hack on a Pyhon app, maybe Guidance upstream is looking for more help.
[05:56] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: ok. I guess they do need to port alot of stiff to qt4
[05:56] <nosrednaekim> *stuff
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: wow
[05:57] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: :)
[05:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: that means you're one year away from being eligible for SoC, right?
[05:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: you could try next year's
[05:58] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I think you have to be in college, don't you?
[05:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: nah
[05:59] <mhb> nosrednaekim: you just need to be a student
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> mhb: then i'll do it next year :)
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> that'll be fun summer job.
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> anyway, is there a channel for guidance or do I have to join their mailing list?
[06:00] <_Sime_> you are on the channel
[06:01] <nosrednaekim> _Sime_: are you a developer for it?
[06:03] <mhb> _Sime_, sebas: oh, just to let you know, I haven't committed anything to grubconfig lately ( been busy with the Summer of Code), but I found a great guy ( xerosis ) who volunteered to hack on it.
[06:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: no problem at all, but have you spoken to allee?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how far is beta1 off?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> (kde4)?
[06:04] <mhb> he doesn't have KDE SVN commit rights yet, so I'll commit once we (he) have something working
[06:05] <Hobbsee> iirc, it should be published somewhere by now?
[06:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not heard anything of it
[06:05] <Hobbsee> my brain says the 24th.
[06:05] <Riddell> it's late
[06:05] <Hobbsee> 1 day off.  25th.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> that's probably why.
[06:06] <ScottK> nosrednaekim: You could always start with trying to figure guidance bugs in Kubuntu.
[06:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, not yet, I'll of course do before any upload
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that.  it usually is.
[06:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: what version are you packaging?
[06:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about the build issues, did you have a look ?
[06:06] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: ok
[06:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: which build issue?
[06:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: of kmobiletools ?
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not packaging a new version of kdebluetooth, just splitting the package, as kmobiletools requires kdebluetools headers
[06:07] <Tonio_> optional feature, but we have to use it ;)
[06:07] <Riddell> ok
[06:07] <Riddell> but allee is already looking at the new versions so ask him before doing too much
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: on the other hand, I have a big build issue with the latest kmobiletools I don't understand
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/buildlog
[06:07] <Riddell> he has problems with them though
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like header files are missing, but the builddeps are there, and the include path seems to be correct so I don't understand....
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum okay
[06:08] <Tonio_> allee: ping when arround ;)
[06:08] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I also hacked a bit of guidance
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth shouldn't be a problem, the tricky part is kmobiletools....
[06:09] <mhb> nosrednaekim: but only a tiny bit
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think allee is looking towards to package the svn/dbus version of kdebluetooth, which is completly different packaging in fact :)
[06:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: is it using the wrong version of qt?
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I don't think so, let me look
[06:10] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I messed around with guidance power manager a little.
[06:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to fix the qt includes path within the configure, we'll see
[06:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should have a compatible version of qt
[06:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: I mean it might be picking up qt 4 headers when it wants qt 3
[06:12] <Riddell> although that shouldn't be possible
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: builddep is libqt3-mt-dev.....
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: no chance to pic up qt4, I'm building it in a chroot :)
[06:13] <mhb> nosrednaekim: if you want to have
[06:13] <mhb> nosrednaekim: your own project, I'm sure you could find one
[06:14] <mhb> nosrednaekim: qt3->qt4 plumbing gets boring often :o) boring, but necessary
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell:   kde_qt_dirs="$QTDIR /usr/lib/qt3 /usr/lib/qt /usr/share/qt3"
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks  correct...
[06:15] <Riddell> yes
[06:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: same for qt_incdir, /usr/includes/qt3
[06:15] <Tonio_> I don't understand.....
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yeah..
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only option is that the .h files are not included in the code, but that doesn't make sense, as the .cpp files failing are generated from the ui files, with qmake....
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: would it use qmake/qt4 ?
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: no chance, no qt4 builddep...... I'm lost I must say
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: whew.. plenty of bugs there to fix! i'll get to work ;)
[06:18] <ScottK> nosrednaekim: I didn't think you'd be bored.  Just remember that many of them relate to specific hardware/architectures so find one's you'll be able to reproduce/verify.
[06:19] <_Sime_> nosrednaekim: sorry, I just ducked downstairs looking for food... Yes you are welcome to help hack on guidance.
[06:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: put the sources somewhere and I can take a better look
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[06:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/kmobiletools
[06:21] <nixternal> Riddell: I am always able to do our release notes!
[06:22] <nixternal> where be Lure! Network manager is broke!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it be working here . define broke?
[06:24] <nixternal> heh
[06:24] <nixternal> well I will see if it happens again today, but I would lose dns constantly
[06:24] <nixternal> and when I shutdown network mangler, and did the ifup/ifdown stuff, I had no problems
[07:01] <gnomefreak> nixternal: n-m has been broken for about a week now
[07:01] <nixternal> it is weird, it just acted up last night
[07:01] <nixternal> right now it is running fine
[07:01] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[07:02] <gnomefreak> nixternal: crimsu_n had problems 4days to a week ago with it maybe they fixed it?
[07:02] <nixternal> I don't think so, because he was saying last night it is still broken
[07:04] <gnomefreak> not sure why it works for some and not others
[07:23] <ScottK> Nothing like a little power outage to brighten your day...  Now back to the MIR for pinentry.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:27] <Hobbsee> fun stuff
[07:27] <Hobbsee> oh wait, it's not summer here
[07:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: wanna switch?
[07:31] <Tm_T> hate this heat
[07:31] <Tm_T> and bright light
[07:32] <Tm_T> I have something like 30'C or more inside
[07:33] <Tm_T> and I have kept curtains closed all day
[07:33] <Tm_T> hurts!
[07:34] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yes please.
[08:09] <DaSkreech> http://www.videotopic.com/linux.html
[08:19] <ScottK> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPinentry is ready for you to look at and tell me how I screwed it up.
[08:21] <Riddell> ScottK: oh tsk
[08:21] <Riddell> it's wiki.Kubuntu.org!
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> heh.
[08:22] <ScottK> Hmmm
[08:22] <Riddell> :)
[08:23] <ScottK> Silly me.  Sorry.  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPinentry
[08:24] <Riddell> ScottK: looks good to me
[08:24] <Riddell> please add to queue and ping pitti
[08:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Over to you then.
[08:24] <Riddell> I suspect it'll take some time to review
[08:25] <ScottK> Right.
[08:25] <ScottK> That's why I did it now.
[08:25] <ScottK> I've added it to the queue.  WIll ping pitti.  Thanks.
[08:30] <Riddell> thank you
[08:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Do we need to do the bit in the MIR process about adding it as a depenency to a package in Main now?
[08:30] <Riddell> it should be added to the seeds
[08:31] <ScottK> Then that goes on the list for the discussion with pitti?
[08:32] <Riddell> I can add it now
[08:33] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds good.  Pitti's not on IRC now, so I guess I'll catch him next week.
[08:53] <hunger_t> Why doesn't the knetworkmanager connect me anymore?
[08:54] <hunger_t> well, not automatically at least. I plug in my network cable and it beeps but does not initialize the connection.
[08:57] <Riddell> Tonio_'s the network manager man now
[09:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to work a bit more on it.... at the moment I am just the knetworkmanager man, as I've always been :)
[09:05] <Tonio_> the gnome part is something that is very different from what I know :)
[09:06] <Tonio_> hunger_t: that's a known bug, we're waiting for a fix
[09:06] <Tonio_> it automatically goes on the plugin mode even if no cable is present....
[09:06] <Tonio_> hunger_t: a fix will be there before gutsy is out for sure
[09:26] <hunger_t> Tonio_: Thanks for the update.
[09:28] <nixternal> Tonio_: speaking of network mangler...I was having dns issues last night, and it wasn't 100% proven to be nm, however closing nm and using cli tools worked fine
[09:29] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum strange....
[09:29] <Tonio_> nixternal: ping me if you can reproduce that
[09:29] <Tonio_> nixternal: did you do updates yesterday ?
[09:29] <nixternal> yes
[09:30] <Tonio_> n-m doesn't like when dbus is restarted/reloaded sometimes :)
[09:30] <nixternal> and after them is when I noticed some strangeness at school
[09:30] <nixternal> Tonio_: that was the errors as a matter of fact, something to do with dbus
[09:30] <Tonio_> in fact it is knetworkmanager that looses the connection to n-m via dbus
[09:30] <Tonio_> nixternal: when that happens, should work after you restart knm
[09:30] <nixternal> Jun 22 11:18:46 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason
[09:31] <nixternal> Jun 22 11:18:49 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_domain
[09:31] <nixternal> Jun 22 11:18:49 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers
[09:31] <Tonio_> same problem happens with guidance-power-manager btw
[09:31] <nixternal> ahh, I haven't experienced the problem at all today
[09:31] <Tonio_> looks like dbus was restarted during the updates
[09:31] <nixternal> I even rebooted last night and was still experiencing the issue
[09:31] <nixternal> I checked other machines and they didn't have dns issues, so it was only my laptop
[09:32] <Tonio_> did you perform the updates on the other machines ?
[09:32] <nixternal> that error is from today, about the time I did updates this morning possibly..but the dns has been chugging along
[09:32] <nixternal> no I haven't..this is my only gutsy box that isn't in a vm
[09:32] <Tonio_> a bit strange I must say....
[09:32] <nixternal> if I experience it again I will let you know..it was very strange
[09:32] <Tonio_> well let's forget this and rediscuss this if that happens again.... can be a non reproducible issue....
[09:32] <Tonio_> nixternal: sure, ping me :)
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth is done, everything is okay with kmobiletools except that qt build issue....
[09:33] <nixternal> ya, could have very well been something else with the lappy..so if I can reproduce it, I will ping you and try to get as much info as possible
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will not find the solution to this one probably
[09:36] <nixternal> I need to get a bluetooth dongle so I can start playing around with it
[09:40] <n8k99> nixternal: watch your language
[09:41] <nixternal> haha
[09:41] <n8k99> ;-0
[09:41] <nixternal> hahahahahahahaha
[09:41] <nixternal> I just got it
[09:41] <n8k99> ^_^
[09:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: try updating the /usr/bin/moc alternative to qt3 not qt4
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: how can the qt4 one be linked to qt4 even if not any qt4 related package is installed
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try but that doesn't make sense to me
[09:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: if it calls "moc" it can end up using "moc-qt4"
[09:56] <Riddell> hmm, still failing for me
[09:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange isn't it ? ;)
[09:56] <Tonio_> it is the first time I can see something like this...
[09:58] <Riddell> it doesn't seem to be linking qt
[10:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate this WE
[10:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmobile is becoming a must have those days :)
[10:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to have it correctly maintained in kubuntu :)
[10:12] <Tonio_> I have to go
[10:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: my internet connection should be back on monday, I can't wait for it to restart spending nights working hehe :)
[10:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: ask rockman
[10:12] <Riddell> he might know
[10:12] <Tonio_> yep, I'll ping him
[10:13] <Tonio_> have a nice WE all !
[10:47] <daSkreech> Is it me or does Ctrl+Q not quit adept anymore?
[10:50] <nixternal> ctrl+q or alt+q
[10:51] <nixternal> nope, ctrl+q closes it here
[10:51] <nixternal> wierd thing I just noticed...everything in the file menu is grayed out
[10:55] <Tm_T> nixternal: maybe you didn't pass genuine advantage check
[10:55] <nixternal> hardy har har
[11:00] <nixternal> Riddell: nice KDE pimpage in the DebConf picture :)
[11:03] <Riddell> nixternal: oh?  where is it?
[11:04] <Riddell> spotted in planet.debian
[11:22] <daSkreech> apokryphos: ping
[11:22] <apokryphos> hi there
[11:26] <daSkreech> apokryphos: got the link I threw at you ... I think it was last night?
[11:27] <apokryphos> daSkreech: sourceforge?
[11:27] <daSkreech> apokryphos: Si
[11:27] <apokryphos> yeah, thanks :)
[11:28] <daSkreech> Decent team
[11:28] <apokryphos> yeah, great news
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> hey I have a quick q about launchpad. I want to see duplicate bugs while in a bug entry, how do I do that? It just says that there are two duplicates, no numbers or anything
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> never mind, found it
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> Lure: I think this bug and its duplicates are a result of failed upgrades or missing dependencies
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> bug #108121
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108121 in kde-guidance "[apport]  guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()  dcopext (dup-of: 92977)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108121
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92977 in kde-guidance "[apport]  guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() dcopext" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92977
[11:46] <Lure> nosrednaekim: you have it on left side (bottom)
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah I know... I found the " bug duplicates" tab
[11:48] <Lure> nosrednaekim: not sure how this is possible, since there is depends
[11:49] <Lure> nosrednaekim: it may be something with python c/c++ modules stuff
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> Lure: two of the three people mention a broken upgrade
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> but yeah, adept should be notifying them that they have broken packages
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> maybe I should ask if its still broken after a update?
[11:58] <ScottK> nosrednaekim: I'd focus on bugs you can replicate yourself to start with.
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: ok.
[11:59] <ScottK> It'll make it easier to figure out if you've actually fixed it or not.
[12:01] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: yeah... ok, i'll look around.