[01:13] <coNP> it is too much like win95
[01:44] <ajmorris_> hmm....
[01:44] <ajmorris_> i just installed the latest gutsy updates, now gnome-panel won't start lol
[01:44] <Pici> Good thing I havent restarted lately ;)
[01:44] <ajmorris_> lol
[01:46] <ajmorris_> looks, like all i have to do is kill it, then it restarts automatically and it works :)
[03:14] <ajmorris_> how do you install icon themes under the new layout?
[03:14] <ajmorris_> if i try just under the themes tab it just says invalid file format, and there is no install under the icon themes
[03:50] <rabidphage> hi folks, when running the installer from live cd, ubiquity crashes. is there some workaround to install gutsy?
[03:52] <johnnybuoy> did you try the alternate VD?
[03:52] <johnnybuoy> CD*
[03:54] <rabidphage> johnnybuoy.. nope.. i didn't want to download since my connection is kinda slow
[03:54] <rabidphage> on second thoght i should have downloaded the alternate first
[03:54] <rabidphage> any way at least its a bug report for the community.
[03:55] <rabidphage> :P
[03:58] <DanaG> hah, changelog for desktop-effects:
[03:58] <DanaG>     - hide cube and wobbly options until they are fixed
[03:58] <DanaG>       (changing them does nothing currently)
[03:59] <DanaG> Well, last time I looked, those were the only two options present -- so now what, it is a blank dialog?
[04:00] <DanaG> Well, it IS in a +1 update, but whatever.
[04:00] <gnomefreak> DanaG: this channel is not for offtopic topics and you know that and i have warned you many times
[04:00] <gnomefreak> DanaG: #ubuntu-effects
[04:00] <gnomefreak> DanaG: this is a support channel
[04:03] <calc> gnomefreak: not trying to start anything but what exactly is in topic? i must have missed some back story on DanaG... their comment seemed legitimate in that the only things in desktop effects are what was pasted as disabled...
[04:04] <calc> er s/in/on/
[04:05] <calc> DanaG: and don't antagonize ops its a bad idea in general ;)
[04:05] <gnomefreak> calc: gutsy support
[04:06] <gnomefreak> if it is not gutsy support related it belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:06] <ryanpg> hi all... somehow all my core dumps have a size of 0
[04:06] <calc> gnomefreak: isn't desktop-effects 0.7.1-0ubuntu5 in gutsy only?
[04:06] <ryanpg> ulimit reports "unlimited"
[04:07] <gnomefreak> ryanpg: its being worked on. there is a issue with kernel
[04:07] <ryanpg> gnomefreak, k, thanks
[04:07] <calc> gnomefreak: but yea complaining about it on #ubuntu-effects probably would be better than in here
[04:07] <gnomefreak> calc: we have separate channel for desktop effects
[04:07] <calc> gnomefreak: ok, np
[04:08] <johnnybuoy> isn't ubuntu-effects for feisty?
[04:08] <gnomefreak> calc: ther eis a list (not sure where it is atm) of alot of things that need to be merged for tribe2 i think(maybe it was 3)
[04:08] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: yes not that version though
[04:08] <gnomefreak> calc: it was in the meeting you missed :)
[04:09] <calc> gnomefreak: looking on here there is 67 things listed, first one i looked at was broken by the merge tool, second one already merged, guess i'll pick one at random and check to see if its already done :)
[04:47] <ajmorris_> how do you install icon themes under the new layout?... if i try just under the themes tab it just says invalid file format, and there is no install under the icon themes
[05:02] <DanaG> /JOIN #ubuntu-effects
[05:21] <starhawk> hi
[05:21] <starhawk> any one here I am slow on the uptake
[05:22] <vlowther> starhawk: what's up?
[05:23] <starhawk> I lost adept
[05:23] <starhawk> on the last update
[05:23] <starhawk> how do I get it back
[05:24] <vlowther> starhawk: try reinstalling it from command prompt?
[05:25] <starhawk> I did that and I got an error
[05:25] <vlowther> what was the gist of the error?
[05:25] <starhawk> it said to try apt-setup or
[05:26] <calc> anyone know if martin juergens uses irc?
[05:26] <starhawk> I can paste it if it is ok
[05:27] <vlowther> starhawk: /msg it to me, pls.  No point in spamming the channel if we can avoid it.
[05:27] <vlowther> :)
[05:27] <starhawk> where is pls
[05:28] <vlowther> sorry, pls == please.
[05:28] <starhawk> ok
[05:29] <starhawk> how do I msg it to you
[05:29] <vlowther> starhawk: /msg vlowther <text of error message>
[05:31] <starhawk> do I type that where I am typing now I am new to this irc stuff
[05:32] <vlowther> yes. :)
[05:34] <starhawk> I dont think that went well for some reason
[05:35] <starhawk> oh it says that I cant private msg something about unregistered
[05:36] <vlowther> ah.
[05:36] <vlowther> starhawk: /msg NickServ help
[05:37] <vlowther> that will tell you how to register your nickname.
[05:37] <starhawk> ok
[05:41] <ajmorris_> DanaG, sorry didn't see your reply ^^... i can't join #ubuntu-effects, they don't support gutsy
[05:45] <starhawk1> did it work this time
[05:47] <starhawk1> vlowther are you stil;l there
[05:49] <starhawk1> vlowther are you stil;l there
[05:50] <starhawk1> I lost adept
[05:50] <starhawk1> on the last update
[05:50] <starhawk1> how do I get it back
[05:53] <starhawk1> vlowther are you stil;l there
[05:57] <starhawk1> can any one help me with the loss of adept after and update I would like it back
[05:59] <starhawk1>  /msg NickServ set email starhawkk@sbcglobal.net
[06:00] <greg_g> remove the first space in your last line and it will work
[06:00] <greg_g> but I have no idea about your adept issue (I'm not running gutsy, just watching)
[06:01] <starhawk1> thank you
[06:01] <starhawk1> it did work now
[06:01] <greg_g> no worries
[06:03] <starhawk1> can any one help me with the loss of adept after and update I would like it back
[06:09] <RAOF> starhawk1: I don't suppose that you've pastebinned the actual *error* anywhere?
[06:17] <starhawk1> did i do that right
[06:17] <RAOF> starhawk1: No, you should have put it in here :)
[06:18] <shirish> guys, I tried going to keyboard settings & it shows the keyboard as us intl" instead of just us , can anybody tell me how to set it right?
[06:18] <RAOF> starhawk1: Anyway.  Have you actually done what it suggests?
[06:18] <RAOF> starhawk1: (As in, run "sudo apt-get update" from a terminal)?
[06:18] <shirish> I tried changing the options but it does not show s at all
[06:18] <starhawk1> yes and I am sorry
[06:18] <starhawk1>  I am new to this
[06:19] <RAOF> That's OK.
[06:19] <RAOF> starhawk1: And what does "sudo apt-get update" say?
[06:19] <RAOF> !pastebin | starhawk1
[06:19] <ubotu> starhawk1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:19] <starhawk1> ok
[06:19] <shirish> RAOF: any ideas m8, I miss not being able to use punctuation marks due to keyboard not configured correctly
[06:20] <crdlb> showoff :P
[06:21] <starhawk1> 26698
[06:22] <starhawk1> is that what you need
[06:22] <shirish> crdlb: can you guide me about how to configure my keyboard correctly, it shows as  us intl instead of us
[06:22] <crdlb> no idea
[06:22] <shirish> starhawk1: please give the whole link, not just the number, make it easier for people to help you
[06:22] <RAOF> shirish: In what way does System->Preferences->Keyboard->Layouts not allow you to select "Generic 104-Key PC"?
[06:22] <starhawk1> ok
[06:23] <shirish> hang on amoment
[06:24] <starhawk1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26698/
[06:25] <RAOF> starhawk1: Ok, and how about the output of "sudo apt-get update"?
[06:27] <starhawk1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26699/
[06:28] <RAOF> Ah, the old "lock file" problem :)
[06:28] <starhawk1> i know why wait a sec
[06:30] <starhawk1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26700/
[06:31] <RAOF> Right, so it would seem to be *just* a bug in Adept.  Go file it!
[06:32] <starhawk1> theres no fix yet
[06:32] <RAOF> What, it's a known issue?
[06:34] <RAOF> It looks like that's an actual bug in the Adept program.  If that bug isn't filed, go file it.  If it *is* filed, wait for it to be fixed :)
[06:34] <starhawk1> is it I dont understand
[06:34] <starhawk1> ok
[06:35] <RAOF> Because it looks to me like it's not a(n obvious) problem at your end; so file the bug and let the important people know about it :)
[06:35] <starhawk1> I will file it thank you for your help this can be the trouble with the bleeding edge I knew that when I signed up
[06:36] <starhawk1> and thank you again
[06:36] <RAOF> No problem.
[08:56] <Zenton> hi all.
[08:56] <Zenton> if I want to test last sofware version packages I use debian sid,
[08:56] <Zenton> so if I want last versions on ubuntu should I try gutsy?
[08:57] <RAOF> Yup.  Gutsy is what you want (currently).
[08:57] <Zenton> thanks RAOF.
[08:58] <RAOF> You'll want to know that Ubuntu's bugtracker is at www.launchpad.net/ubuntu :)
[08:58] <DanaG> Good night.  It's about midnight for me (pacific timezone).
[10:11] <jkimball4> Is anyone else experiencing nm-applet crashes when selecting a WPA2 network?
[10:12] <jkimball4> segmentation fault to be precise.
[10:32] <coNP> is the new amarok using kde4?
[10:32] <coNP> no, of course not
[10:33] <coNP> it looks very nice now, however
[10:42] <Ind[y] > Is, the complete removal of the Keyring Manager and stuff related, planned to be released in an update, or with the next Ubuntu version?
[10:42] <RAOF> EPARSE
[10:43] <RAOF> What do you mean?
[10:43] <RAOF> I don't think the keyring manager is going anywhere, though.
[10:44] <Ind[y] > Many people think that it creates more problems than it solves.
[10:44] <Ind[y] > Asking for the Default Keyring unlocking is tiring.
[10:44] <Ind[y] > And depromotes automacy.
[11:38] <Zenton> is it possible to use feisty and use also gusty packages? are incompatibility or other problems?
[11:40] <RAOF> Possible, but you shouldn't be surprised if things break.
[11:40] <RAOF> Also, you don't get to file bugs if you've got a mixed system :)P
[11:45] <Zenton> thanks RAOF
[12:12] <coNP> ouch
[12:12] <coNP> is pdflatex really broken?
[01:33] <_4strO> yop yop
[03:45] <cables> Is the automatic import feature for cameras going to still use gthumb in Gutsy, or will it be made to use F-Spot's import feature?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> cables: iirc feisty used fspot by default
[03:53] <cables> gnomefreak, fspot is the photo organizer, but when I plug my camera in it imports using gthumb's importer, which doesn't store it in fspot's naming convention, so it confuses fspot
[03:54] <gnomefreak> cables: hmmmmm
[03:54] <cables> gnomefreak, maybe i accidentally changed something
[03:55] <gnomefreak> cables: i will look later but i could swear it used fspot (it was first release that used it default afair) but i will look into it as soon as i get done with firefox
[03:57] <cables> gnomefreak, ok, thanks
[04:10] <gnomefreak> cables: gthumb is default importer
[04:11] <cables> yeah
[04:11] <gnomefreak> :(
[04:11] <cables> and that doesn't play nice w/ Fspot
[04:11] <cables> Fspot's importer is sucky though
[04:11] <gnomefreak> might be in gutsy
[04:11] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:11] <cables> gnomefreak, bug report time?
[04:11] <gnomefreak> not yet
[04:11] <coNP> why, isn't gthumb not good enough?
[04:11] <coNP> -not
[04:12] <cables> coNP, it's not, because it doesn't integrate nicely with fspot, which is supposed to be the default photo editor in Ubuntu
[04:12] <coNP> oh that is a pity
[04:12] <cables> except there isn't really a default, but it's supposed to be the one people use
[04:12] <coNP> I mean that we want fs-pot
[04:12] <coNP> because it does not handle directories properly
[04:12] <cables> what?
[04:12] <coNP> what makes it extremly unusable
[04:13] <cables> what makes f-spot unusable?
[04:13] <coNP> that I cannot browse my directories
[04:13] <coNP> I think users tend to use directories rather than just albums
[04:17] <coNP> gthumb is just perfect in managing directories
[04:17] <coNP> and integrates nicely with nautilus I think
[04:17] <coNP> YMMV, of course :)
[06:03] <[selfsearcher] > I tried the Live for AMD64 (Gutsy Alfa) but after the menu, my screen turns in "no signal" mode. No console (Alt+F2 doesn't work)
[06:04] <arthur> hi there, I am tring to get ndiswrapper to work on kernel 2.6.22-6-generic
[06:04] <arthur> Is the ndiswrapper module missing or is it just me?
[06:05] <arthur> I can't find the rtl modules either
[06:06] <arthur> I would like to get r818x to work but can't find it
[06:13] <lucasvo> anyone using the new gtk displayconfig util?
[07:21] <afie> Hey Ubuntu devs. A Ubuntu update broke ALSA (amd64 here) for an extremely popular sound chip (intel hda) on quite a bit of laptops. I had to fix it by getting alsalib source and updating it according to a guide on Ubuntu.com. After doing that, audio in 32-bit Flash via nspluginwrapper was broken. emul-linux-x86-soundlibs-2.5 is compatible with the new ALSA that fixes the issue with these chips. Try to get it in the repo!
[07:22] <afie> The user whom I installed Ubuntu for, is asking me "do laptops normally have these many problems" because of shit like this.
[07:22] <afie> You're breaking my balls . .
[07:22] <Pici> On Gutsy?
[07:23] <afie> On Feisty.
[07:23] <afie> Or find a way for Ubuntu to check if we have the affected chips and install 2.5 based on that. Better that it be unstable than unusable.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> afie: /topic
[09:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/87299
[09:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87299 in amarok "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty (no need to confirm behavior anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[09:16] <DanaG> I try to use the script, Amarok just locks up.
[09:18] <DanaG> Oddly, it plays for a little while, then stalls.
[09:20] <DanaG> Odd... it's Pulseaudio that's failing.
[09:21] <DanaG> Plus, I had to edit the python script to explicitly ask for 2.4, I think.
[09:25] <gnomefreak> DanaG: the script locking up amarok hmm did you happen to tell the person who wrote the script? leave that comment on the bug? oh and btw the script was written for feisty
[09:25] <DanaG> Oh, I figured it out: it's not the script that's freezing.
[09:37] <fuoco> i tried to compile a package from gutsy and it failed, even though it's compiled on gutsy, how is that possible?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> fuoco: the packages it depends on
[09:41] <fuoco> gnomefreak: i used prevu, so i expect that should solve it. but maybe not
[09:42] <gnomefreak> fuoco: prevu diesnt relaly solve anything iirc
[09:44] <gnomefreak> doesnt
[09:59] <DanaG> aah, my issue seems to be something in dcop.
[10:00] <DanaG> dcop amarok player playPause
[10:00] <DanaG> one time works, but the next time dies.
[10:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/86031
[10:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86031 in amarok "amarok has large delay on play/pause when using pulseaudio/xine" [Undecided,New] 
[10:37] <frandavid100> hi guys
[10:38] <frandavid100> I'm trying to upgrade human to 0.7 but it says it conflicts with human-cursors-theme
[10:38] <frandavid100> is there a --force option that I can use?
[10:39] <DanaG> Remove the cursors theme.
[10:39] <DanaG> The human-theme supersedes it, I believe.
[10:39] <DanaG> s/believe/would imagine/
[10:39] <snax> hey
[10:39] <frandavid100> if I try to do that, I get:
[10:39] <frandavid100> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/human-theme_0.7_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:39] <frandavid100>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/themes/Human/cursor.theme', which is also in package human-cursors-theme
[10:39] <DanaG> I usually use aptitude instead of apt-get.
[10:40] <DanaG> Or if you need to remove the cursors theme, use dpkg.
[10:40] <snax> has anyone else noticed that aptitude wants to remove some seemingly important packages like network-manager
[10:40] <frandavid100> that would be a good idea, how can I do that?
[10:40] <DanaG> You might've removed the ubuntu-desktop metapackage.
[10:40] <frandavid100> I've only used dpkg to install debs
[10:40] <frandavid100> nope
[10:40] <snax> nope, I'm pretty certain it's installed
[10:41] <DanaG> Look through and see why it wants to remove them.  It may be broken dependencies, in which case you should just tell it to leave the packages alone (key: ':' (colon)).
[10:41] <frandavid100> dpkg returns: dependency problems - not removing
[10:42] <coNP> DanaG: the problem is that human-theme wants to overwrite some files
[10:43] <DanaG> There's a force-overwrite, but it's better to resolve the conflict for real.
[10:45] <frandavid100> what would be the command for force-overwrite?
[10:45] <coNP> sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite <yourpackage.deb>
[10:45] <DanaG> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i whatever.deb -- aah, I type too slowly.
[10:45] <coNP> :D
[10:45] <gnomefreak> it requires the full path iirc
[10:46] <coNP> sure, so usually you should prefix your .deb with /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:47] <DanaG> Aah, the wonders of tab completion.
[10:47] <DanaG> /v<tab>/cac<tab>/apt/ar<tab>/human-th<tab>
[10:47] <frandavid100> hum, will --force-overwrite -r work?
[10:47] <coNP> you mean --remove ?
[10:47] <frandavid100> yup
[10:48] <coNP> I don't think remove should overwrite any files
[10:48] <coNP> so why would you need that?
[10:48] <coNP> (no idea if it works, though)
[10:49] <frandavid100> the problem is, I don't have a deb I want to install. I need either to upgrade a package, or remove another.
[10:49] <coNP> which ones?
[10:49] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: dont play with it if you are not sure what you are doing.
[10:49] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: you dont need to do either
[10:49] <DanaG> I once made the mistake of removing libc6........bad idea.
[10:50] <frandavid100> there shouldn't be anyproblem, it's only that upgrading human-theme requires removing human-cursors-theme, and removing human-cursors-theme requires upgrading human-theme
[10:50] <DanaG> Odd, amarok freezes when I use it with dcop.
[10:50] <frandavid100> it's like a look
[10:51] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: no it doesnt
[10:51] <frandavid100> I need to force one of them
[10:51] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: you need to file a bug. sinc eyou have shown you dont know hwat you need to overwrite
[10:51] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: its a left over link is all it is
[10:52] <frandavid100> aham
[10:52] <DanaG> But sometimes if aptitude doesn't work, I do have to overwrite.
[10:55] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: btw its gonna happen to everyone that does upgrade today.
[10:56] <DanaG> But libnss and nspr never seem to have changelogs.
[10:56] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:56] <gnomefreak> sure they do
[10:56] <gnomefreak> atleast my builds of them do
[10:59] <DanaG> Well, I guess it's not "never", but I use the changelogs listed in update-manager.
[10:59] <DanaG> The last time I saw lack of changelogs was some time in Feisty betas.
[10:59] <coNP> it is a pity if there is no changelog
[11:00] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm that should be easy enough to fix
[11:00] <coNP> gnomefreak: you mean this human-theme-issue?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> coNP: no i mean the libgimp depends issue
[11:00] <DanaG> Often changelogs don't show up on the changelogs server until later, despite already being in the deb.
[11:01] <gnomefreak> human-there... should be really easy to fix
[11:02] <gnomefreak> bbiab gonna get some more work done and take break a little later
[11:06] <DanaG> Odd, there's some combination of factors on the amarok freeze:
[11:06] <DanaG> It's only when using pulseaudio, and issuing commands through dcop.
[11:10] <DanaG> eep, compiz-fusion-plugins-main is unavailable.
[11:10] <DanaG> as well as -extra.
[11:11] <DanaG> Oh well, must have patience.