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joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] Riddell: looking over the cmake merge, I think the package can be synced (but I leave it for your judgment) [06:00] morning [06:02] morning fabbione [06:06] hey fabbione [06:07] mvo: you are up incredibly early... [06:07] or late... === juhu [n=hgtbv@bas1-ottawa10-1242465484.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === juhu [n=hgtbv@bas1-ottawa10-1242465484.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === juhu [n=hgtbv@bas1-ottawa10-1242465484.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === juhu [n=hgtbv@bas1-ottawa10-1242465484.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] fabbione: very early, happens to me every couple of weeks that I wake up in the middle of the night and can not sleep no more [06:14] mvo: welcome to the club dude [06:14] of the married people :P [06:14] haha :-D [06:14] it's all the feelings we repress during the 2 weeks that explodes in one night [06:14] ;) [06:15] I was told it will get worse when family grows :) [06:16] who needs sleep when there are outstanding merges anyway? === mvo drinks some more tea to wake up === somerville32 [n=cody-som@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:24] mvo: i wake up at 5am to bring my kid to school at 7 and sleep around 1am sheeshh [06:24] jsgotangco: uhhh, that is *very* little sleep :) === jsgotangco sleeps all weekend === StevenK has been naughty this week, going to bed around 1:20am, and getting up at 7:30am to go to $work === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sloter [n=sloter@pool-71-243-213-144.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pjdid [n=adsmfh@c-69-252-255-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:55] does anyone know any "GOOD" screen capture recording programs for linux === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pjdid [n=adsmfh@c-69-252-255-218.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === `anthony [n=anthony@203-214-0-41.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === knecke [n=lkneschk@88.134.101.190] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === LuisBG [n=d33p@4.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] checkout www.skrbl.com, gives u a nice web-based svg collaborative whiteboard, in case u wanna sketch some ideas in realtime outside of launchpad's blueprints thing === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEB8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lousygarua [n=amir@89-139-244-58.bb.netvision.net.il] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-246-75.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] Good morning [08:12] good morning pitti [08:12] hey pitti [08:12] hi pitti [08:12] hiya pitti, mvo, fabbione === pitti hugs the channel === Hobbsee throws pitti into the total perspective vortex [08:13] hey Hobbsee === StevenK waves to pitti [08:13] NOOOOOOOOOoooooooo....... === Hobbsee rescues pitti back out of it again === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] hi jono. fix the world, please. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] hi spam [08:18] Hobbsee: heh [08:18] hi [08:18] haha [08:18] I am off to bed in any sec - been awake 33 hours [08:18] hola [08:19] jono: I hate odd number, wait another hour and then go to bed [08:19] haha [08:19] heh [08:19] jono: i believe your input is wanted on the irc ops thing - it's the only thing holding up the council [08:19] when was this input requested? its news to me [08:19] it's probably in your email [08:20] CC mail, from what i hear [08:21] right [08:21] I havent checked mail for a few days because of travel [08:21] jono: that's...expected. [08:21] only the crazy people can check mail and irc and such while travelling. [08:21] apparently it's a skill. [08:21] heh [08:22] i think its w.r.t. governance docs [08:22] some would say I am crazy logging in when there is a perfect opportunity for sleep, after 33 hours and I have to be up in 6 hours === Hobbsee shrugs [08:23] jono! [08:23] heya ajmitch :) === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=Yasumoto@adsl-69-234-233-84.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71132.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] good morning [08:42] morning dholbach! [08:42] hey Hobbsee === Hobbsee ponders throwing dholbach into the total perspective vortex too [08:42] quoi? [08:42] pitti: was already thrown in. *shrugs* [08:43] dholbach: any ideas on when we should call a REVU day for? 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[09:18] fair enough === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] mdke_: that's not a bug [09:19] checking of the fs is normal and it should be done [09:19] 30 is usually a random number that can vary depending on a few things === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] fabbione: well, it's existence might not be, but its implementation is not good enough, in my opinion. I think there should be at least one of the following: (1) an opt-out, (2) an explanation that makes sense to people without knowledge of the linux filesystem, and (3) a splash screen [09:20] mdke_: 1) tune2fs or learn /etc/fstab, 2) google 3) there is a spec already [09:21] fabbione: thanks for 3), that answers my initial question. I don't understand 1) or 2) though [09:21] mdke_: the value of 30 is tunable and can be disabled. you need to know how to do it because it's really really bad to disable it [09:22] ok, so let's scrap (1). No opt out [09:22] mdke_: 2) if you want an explanation on why it's good to fsck your FS once in a while look for docs.. [09:22] fabbione: no, that's not what I meant [09:23] mdke_: ok so explain what you mean [09:23] I will... give me a sec to type it [09:23] 1 [09:23] too late [09:23] :) [09:23] damn these italian sense of humours [09:24] I was thinking that instead of "/dev/sda3 has been mounted 30 times..." it would be nice to say something that makes sense to normal users, like "Your hard disk needs to be checked every 30 boots, checking now..." [09:24] mdke_: well ok that's a totally different issue that can be addressed easily.. wishlist bug === gizmo [n=gizmo@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] cool [09:24] what's the appropriate package? [09:25] e2fsprogs [09:26] bless you === atreju [n=atreju@87-239-96-129-dsl.qfast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] ok, thanks fabbione and shawarma [09:29] it's bug 121687 if you are interested in triaging/subscribing [09:29] Launchpad bug 121687 in e2fsprogs "Confusing message for fsck check at boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121687 [09:29] nice [09:30] i wondered though, why it does that on first boot after install in alternate as well? [09:31] mdke_: right, yes. i believe he was CC'd. [09:31] mdke_: but thanks for the clarification [09:31] Hobbsee: ah, there is more than one meaning of CC :) [09:31] he's not on the recent stuff, but maybe older email === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.116.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] mdke_: okay, i believe he was CC'd on the CC (community-council) email about the irc ops stuff [09:32] mdke_: indeed. so the person who uses the most at once wins! [09:32] :P [09:33] hello [09:33] hi Tonio_ === lousygarua [n=amir@89-139-244-58.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] dholbach: i've already updated the wiki on the sched for next week's CC thanks [09:42] where do i download a beta for gusty for testing? is there such a thign? do i have to compile it from source? === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn248.91-127-118.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] !gutsy | lousygarua [09:43] lousygarua: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1 [09:44] lousygarua: We had out first alpha release about two weeks ago. [09:44] lousygarua: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/ [09:44] lousygarua: If you're slightly more adventurous, there are daily images as well. [09:45] lousygarua: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [09:45] shawarma: hmm thanks [09:45] jsgotangco: rock and roll - thanks a lot [09:45] lousygarua: Thanks for helping out. [09:45] asac: new CC meeting announced (June 26th, 13-15 UTC) === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn248.91-127-118.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] dholbach: thanks! [09:50] dholbach: will forward [09:53] hm. gutsy problems looks a little nasty === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d108.84-47-26.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.242.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] mvo: can you please upload the package for bug 114569? [10:02] Launchpad bug 114569 in update-manager "update-manager -d does not show new development release (only -c -d)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114569 [10:02] mvo: then I can process it with today's batch === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] The GutsyReleaseSchedule wiki page says "Please do not edit".. Nonetheless, it's ok if I add our server sprint, right? [10:10] shawarma: that sounds fine to me === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn245.91-127-110.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] Yay, -changes is back. [10:22] shawarma: \o/ [10:23] Aw, crap. Those two were from feisty-changes.. [10:23] Maybe gutsy-changes is still gone. === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn5.91-127-58.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn231.91-127-97.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491C7F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d238.84-47-126.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart hugs mvo for the now merged work on http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/apt/xs-vcs-bzr/ [11:00] :) === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo beams [11:01] pitti: will do the upload now (sorry, was disctracted) === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535d64e6.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] pitti: new update-manager for feisty-proposed uploaded === grayman [n=grayman@89.0.205.211.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] mvo: thanks, accepted; there is another one in -proposed, that stuff should be tested === doko [i=doko@conference/debconf/x-19017318c51fefdc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] piling up stuff in -proposed is bad [11:10] pitti: totally agreed, I will talk to brian about it and do a test plan with him [11:10] pitti: I can't test it myself :/ [11:10] (well, I *do* test it myself of course :) [11:11] :) [11:11] you know what I mean :P === pitti moves xmms into universe and yays [11:12] yeah! [11:12] ;) [11:12] desktop-effects can go that way too (or vanish from the archive complettly) [11:12] mvo: oh? [11:12] pitti: merged to gnome-control-center [11:12] oh, cool [11:12] mvo: can you unseed it then, please? [11:13] pitti: it's a new tab in the appearance capplet now [11:13] doing it now [11:13] pitti: just evms to go, or is that the last of gtk+ 1.2 in main? [11:13] mvo: ^ [11:13] I've some seed changes to do [11:13] ajmitch: it's already iun universe [11:13] yay! [11:13] pitti: BTW do I need to discuss with somebody if I want to add xdg-user-dirs(-gtk) to desktop seed? [11:13] ajmitch: there's still some stuff left: libdv and smpeg, AFAIR [11:13] aw.. :( [11:13] seb128: no, that's fine; in fact you should do so to keep it in main [11:14] pitti: a new smpeg using gtk2 has been uploaded to Debian yesterday [11:14] seb128: if it's part of an approved spec or will happen upstream, that's fine [11:14] pitti: I have done that this morning, just not uploaded new ubuntu-meta yet [11:14] seb128: ! rock [11:14] seb128: cool, that's not modified [11:15] seb128: hm, it's not in incoming [11:15] ... want ... sync ... [11:16] syncing still broken? [11:16] pitti: maybe I'm wrong [11:16] pitti: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/smpeg/news/20070621T131703Z.html [11:16] ajmitch: no, works [11:17] seb128: maybe my current autosync run caught that then :) [11:19] pitti: LP lists it as pending without a date [11:20] yeah, being published === gicmo_ [n=gicmo@p5491C7F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn120.91-127-124.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491C7F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d92.84-47-55.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] seb128: seed changes> darn, I forgot to change galde [11:25] seb128: glade [11:25] pitti: when does autosyncing stop? [11:25] ajmitch: at UVF [11:25] hm, I thought it was DebianImportFreeze [11:26] pitti: doing it [11:26] pitti: I've to do some seed changes [11:27] mvo: ok, so can I kick desktop-effects out of the archive right now? or does it still need somehting? [11:27] mvo: I don't see anything in 'appeareance' === pitti dist-upgrades first before complaining [11:28] ajmitch: that should coincide [11:29] mvo: ah, there it is, nevermind me [11:29] pitti: I'm confused, DebianImportFreeze is listed as today [11:29] mvo: 'Enable extra effects' -> that's a bit underdescribed IMHO [11:29] ajmitch: hm, weird [11:29] mvo: I told him on #ubuntu-desktop some minutes ago ;) === d33p__ is now known as luisbg === ct2rips_ [n=ct2rips@p5486A6F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] I uploaded xcache tonight and got these two mails: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26686/ a reject and an accept [11:34] does somebody have an idea what happened there? [11:35] mvo: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra> please do a followup upload with pointing to common-licenses/GPL (I'll let it through and trust you with that, though) [11:35] oh, is -changes back ? [11:36] ogra: apparently only for syncs and feisty [11:36] siretart: mvo just told me that he uses bzr bd --merge --builder "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot" because otherwise it will not include the orig.tar.gz in the .dsc for -0ubuntu1 versions - do you know anything about that? [11:36] i just got a gutsy mail .... [11:36] ogra: hm, right, that was one I source-NEWed [11:37] ogra: I'm not sure whether it works for non-NEW uploads === hjmf [n=hjmf@81.Red-217-125-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] ah [11:37] pitti: cool, thanks [11:40] mvo, seb128: compiz stuff source NEWed [11:40] pitti: danke [11:42] danke! [11:44] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/nautilus-cd-burner/+bug/114770 [11:44] Launchpad bug 114770 in nautilus-cd-burner "Cannot burn on RW media because n-c-b does not unmount it" [Low,Fix released] [11:44] pitti: easy SRU candidate if you want to look at it [11:46] seb128: erk, indeed; ack'ed === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] pitti: danke [11:50] dholbach: right, this is currently a PITA. [11:51] dholbach: the problem is that we are a bzr plugin here, and so we have to use the bzr commandline parser [11:51] dholbach: which isn't as flexible as dpkg-buildpackage, so you cannot have options like '-sa' [11:51] dholbach: we are still looking for a solution how to do that use case much simpler. suggestions welcome [11:54] keescook: FYI, I'll override libapache2-mod-apparmor to section 'web'; 'libs' is not the best one IMHO === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-54.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] siretart: ok, I see [12:05] siretart: just wanted to know, how I'd explain it in the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes === Bixente [i=bixente@vds67917.nfrance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atreju [n=atreju@87-239-96-129-dsl.qfast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] have .changes files to be ascii only? [12:12] geser: UTF-8 should be ok for Maintainer: and changelog [12:13] because I got these to mails http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26686/ when I uploaded xcache === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] Maintainer is Michal iha [12:14] geser: hmm, please report this as a soyuz bug [12:14] ok, will do [12:14] might be yet another regression from yesterday's rollout [12:14] dholbach: glib fix uploaded === dholbach HUGS SEB128 [12:15] pitti: seed updated for glade-2 to universe and glade-3 supported [12:15] seb128: you ROCK [12:15] seb128: yay === seb128 hugs dholbach pitti [12:15] seb128: I'll make sure the *mm stuff gets uploaded and I'll try it on my own [12:15] seb128: we actually need an ubuntu-meta upload for the desktop-effects dropping; shall I care about that? [12:15] seb128: oh, btw, did you merge the changes to edubuntu etc.? [12:16] pitti: wait a min please, I do the xdg-user-dirs(-gtk) change now [12:16] pitti: no [12:16] will do [12:16] cool, thanks [12:20] pitti: xdg changes commited to desktop, you can update ubuntu-meta if you want [12:20] I'll merge with other seed later, I've to run for lunch now [12:21] I'll do it after lunch === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] mmm lunch === illovaef4C [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-1e61bacea91eae94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn111.91-127-104.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A65CE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [i=aigarius@conference/debconf/x-b455d10d935f9172] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] mdke_, fabbione: I think there should also be a Postpone option. These checks always tend to happen just when they're a pain in the behind :P [01:02] Chipzz: i disagree for different reasons.. you have usplash there, three is no "GUI" for lusers that don't understand what it is, you can't halt the boot for a question (that is bad bad bad bad). [01:03] one option could be something you pass to the boot options [01:03] skipfsck [01:03] it shouldn't be a question, just more sane behaviour from e2fsck [01:03] that is temporary [01:03] Chipzz: e2fsck can't read your mind if you want to check or not [01:03] problem is, pressing ctrl-c will cause e2fsck to exit with an error, and the rest of the boot will fail [01:04] and you don't want to interrupt a fix if it started realy mangling inodes around [01:04] fabbione: fsck shouldn't exit with an error when pressing ctrl-c then [01:05] Chipzz: it doesn't at boot time afaik [01:05] and if you do it manually when running .. well you do the mess, you collect the pieces... [01:05] I had someone complain about the issue that the fsck happend just when he was booting his laptop for his final thesis presentation; the public was not amused for having to wait [01:05] neither was he [01:06] the next person to give a presentation just disabled the automatic check with tune2fs to avoid having the same embarassement [01:06] (I did that too back when I had debian installed, when I grew sick of having to wait) [01:06] which may not be the effect you want [01:07] i still disagree on disabling it by default.. [01:07] if you want to do it on your laptop or machine go ahead and do it [01:07] i prefer to preserve my data if something is going wrong [01:08] and i am sure most of the users out there will agree that data > a bit of waiting time === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] we have a spec to make it possible/easy to skip the check now [01:08] specially given the fact that most of the users out there do not yet understand what this fsck thing is all about === pochu [n=emilio@29.Red-88-24-187.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] mvo: making possible to skip is good.. on request.. etc.. disabling by default is bad .. [01:10] mvo: anyway.. [01:10] this is yet another one of those endless discussions [01:10] fabbione: but I wasn't arguing in favor of enabling by default ;) [01:10] 13:01 < Chipzz> mdke_, fabbione: I think there should also be a Postpone option. [01:11] one option could be something you pass to the boot options [01:11] skipfsck [01:11] fabbione: that's something you're likely to forget [01:11] it still requires the user to understand what to do and why he is doing it :) === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] even clicking on a GUI with Postpone [01:11] "Hey we need to fsck your disk.. " [01:13] just the idea of fsck my disk.. would make me think of a typo :P [01:13] you would obviously put check there instead of fsck ;) === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] ehhe === d33p__ [n=d33p@53.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ is now known as luisbg_ === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] cool ... I think, for the first time in a while, all our patches are now in udev upstream again === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host37-164.pool80181.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] pitti, i ust did a testinstall of the daily iso ... [01:46] apart from being oversized debootstrap segfaults [01:47] erk [01:48] ... debootstrap is shell. Ouch. === stratus [i=stratus@conference/debconf/x-5afc1158b9e906b9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] Unless it's using cdebootstrap. === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] no its tar that fails it seems [01:48] StevenK: no, we don't use that [01:49] debootstrap: tar: [01:49] StevenK: I wonder what the idea about cdebootstrap is; the very point of it should be portability etc., which shell certainly is much better at than a C program? [01:49] back in ~ 30 minutes [01:49] debootstrap: Short header [01:49] debootstrap: [01:49] debootstrap: Segmentation fault [01:50] pitti: Indeed. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] ogra: Can you sh -x it? === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] pitti, Viel Gluck! ;9 [01:52] ls [01:52] gah === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.76.43.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] pitti: restricted-manager --check-composite will check for nvidia only, is this correct? so it will not tell me if the driver is generally compositable? [02:13] mvo: right [02:13] mvo: it only checks if it can install one [02:14] ok, thanks === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] doing occasionally at boot isn't necessarily the best time. taking a cow snapsnot, running fsck --check-only on that will report if there are errors; then at *that* point (eg. a running system, the user can be notified that they need to reboot [now, later] === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] sladen: are you advocating lvm by default there? === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [i=guido-de@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [n=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] smurf: ping [02:38] Keybuk: suspect dm-snapshot is all that is needed === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-69-249-127-102.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] woah, runing glxinfo in a vesa session kills my X server === mvo is impressed [02:44] mvo: I am very happy with update-manager for the time being [02:44] happy to hear that simira :-D === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-154-30.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sommer [n=sommer@cpe-075-183-108-021.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe_gerrath [n=Gerrath@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu_ [n=emilio@14.Red-83-63-199.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@unaffiliated/illovae] has left #ubuntu-devel ["ROOT_ME"] [03:05] pitti? === Hobbsee waves [03:06] StevenK: what did I break this time? [03:06] pitti: the world. pleasefix. [03:06] pitti: Heh. rss-glx. I think. [03:06] StevenK: o freealut: libalut-dev libalut0 [03:06] [Reverse-Depends: libalut-dev] [03:06] [Reverse-Build-Depends: rss-glx] [03:07] this? [03:07] this is there for ages, and not really my fault :) [03:07] pitti: Yup, hang on a sec [03:07] pitti: you'll get blamed anyway [03:07] although I'm ultimately the one who got to clean it up [03:07] pitti: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26725/ [03:08] Could someone please describe the Build score at launchpad.net? I assume the build order is based on that, but how is it defined? [03:09] StevenK: oh, you made it drop the jasper dependency? cool [03:09] ion_: it's just a priority, higher means higher priority. [03:09] pitti: Along with a bunch of others, and rss-glx doesn't even Build-Depend on it. [03:09] StevenK: good case for -Wl,--as-needed, I guess [03:09] pitti: ubuntu2 was just a rebuild [03:09] pitti: Hence my concern [03:09] ah [03:10] mithrandir: I mean, what is the algorithm used to set the score for each build? [03:10] I'd rather Depends stay nailed on. :-) [03:10] StevenK: bah, many of them are bogus [03:10] ion_: unsure, but why are you asking? [03:10] mithrandir: Just curious. [03:10] StevenK: with --as-needed I could drop 2/3 of binary dependencies sometimes [03:11] I suspect --as-needed has hit further up the build chain [03:11] ion_: libs are higher than non-libs, stuff with higher priority go before bits with lower priority, iirc. [03:11] pitti: Okay, if you're not worried, I'll upload it. [03:11] It would be kind of nice if --as-needed would be the default, and it would be removed on a per-package basis in case it breaks a build. [03:11] Mithrandir: and anthing by you at the end. [03:11] mithrandir: Alright, thanks. [03:11] of course. [03:11] StevenK: usually those get pulled in through transitive dependencies [03:11] Hobbsee: shh! === Hobbsee ducks [03:12] StevenK: if the exectuable itself doesn't link against it, the dependency is bogus and just a nuisance === StevenK checks that [03:13] pitti: Right, I concur. None of the binaries touch jasper. [03:14] pitti: Uploaded. Thanks for your help. [03:14] StevenK: dh_shlibdeps is very good at not dropping needed stuff, it's very precise [03:14] StevenK: thanks for house cleaning [03:15] pitti: Any time, means the next time is easier. === zul__ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F734C2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsk [i=dsk@gateway/tor/x-ad1c39f5411c1cbc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] hi calc [03:37] morning calc === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] good morning [03:43] mvo: can you do a GnomeAppInstallDesktopDatabaseUpdate, please? [03:44] pitti: sure === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-190.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-211.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub_ [n=Watersev@242-211.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] btw, for the folks listening here, bigjools has found the reason for gutsy-changes@ breakage === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-211.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@206-248-181-179.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] ubuntu 7.04 compiler sucks [03:58] dsk: err [03:58] dsk: pick a compiler === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] dsk: that lacks a tad of detail to be an useful bug report [03:59] every time it give a stack_check_failed :( [03:59] i tried compiling FILO 0.5 [03:59] dsk: -fno-stack-protector [03:59] yeah tried that too :( [03:59] the same package compiled on Fedora 7 perfectly well [03:59] dsk: i see no error log [04:00] above option should work [04:00] ubuntu even gives stack check failed on cryopid compilation === JimC [n=Usahhh@88.214.193.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] Amaranth: error log where? [04:00] of your compile that failed [04:00] ohh :) where do i put it? [04:01] asac: nspluginwrapper NEWed, right in time for the publisher cycle in 2 minutes :) [04:01] asac: that thing sounds promising === vprints [n=laur@213-35-233-223-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] pitti: does it actually build, though? [04:03] Hobbsee: yep, it was binary new [04:03] ahhh [04:03] pitti: yeah ... works well for flash [04:04] pitti: flash will be updated right after tribe-2 [04:04] Amaranth: oops! it worked now [04:04] i was missing -fno thing from one makefile [04:05] sorry for the trouble :) [04:05] dsk: a make distclean before changing the option works wonders :-P [04:05] heh [04:05] meh, nspluginwrapper [04:05] gnash works with youtube :) [04:05] pitti: yeah did that :) [04:05] and i think google video [04:05] Amaranth: google video works with gnash ... cool [04:06] Amaranth: i hope next gnash upload will be better ... want to try agg renderer instead of opengl [04:06] yeah, that should help a lot [04:06] it's the most cared for backend [04:07] need some backporting from trunk in order to build konqueror/klash though [04:07] yeah, i remember debian punting on that is using opengl for klash [04:07] err, and using [04:08] umm one more question -> [04:08] can i install xcdroast + its dependencies from a ubuntu repo to my fedora 7 box via alien [04:09] surely you'd need to ask fedora people that? [04:09] i would not recommend it [04:09] well fedora 7 xcdroast is broken :( [04:10]