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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 23 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 19:00 UTC: Technical Board
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n3t0sfair, \o/04:30
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Vorianaloha09:20
S1NGH:)09:20
useResaS1NGH, Hi09:20
S1NGHHow are you Resa?09:21
useResaFine and you09:21
S1NGHgreat, all ready?09:21
Vorianwe have what, 40 min?09:21
useResaOf course a hello to everyone else09:21
S1NGHyes Vorian09:21
Vorianhoe gaat het useResa?09:21
Vorian:)09:21
useResaGoed ... Nederlander?09:22
Vorianno09:22
VorianAmerican :)09:22
useResaThen your Dutch is very good09:22
VorianI though everyone knew that :)09:22
Vorianthe "how are you" i meant09:22
Vorianbecause I'm really terrible at Dutch09:23
useResaWell it's the first time I'm confronted with a Dutch greeting, but sure makes me feel welcome09:23
Vorian:)09:24
S1NGHWho's in California now?09:24
bashelier@schedule california09:26
bashelierdoesn't work :/09:26
bashelier@schedule Paris09:26
ubotuSchedule for Europe/Paris: 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 21:00: Technical Board09:26
Vorian@shedule los angeles09:27
bashelier@schedule California09:27
bashelier@schedule Los angeles09:27
ubotuSchedule for America/Los_Angeles: 23 Jun 13:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 08:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 05:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 12:00: Technical Board09:27
bashelierVorian: ^09:27
bashelier;)09:27
fernando@schedule Sao_Paulo09:27
ubotuSchedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 23 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 12:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 09:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 16:00: Technical Board09:27
Vorianif i only knew how to spell09:27
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bashelierfernando: are you a candidate for next CC ? :)09:28
fernandobashelier, no =)09:29
bashelierfernando: why not ? you have uploaded severall packages :)09:29
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fernandobashelier, i'm not need to be a member to help ubuntu =)09:31
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bashelierfernando: I see, that's true :)09:32
Vorianfernando, but don't you want the free car?09:32
Vorian:)09:32
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theforkofjusticehiya S1NGH09:33
S1NGHhiya09:33
theforkofjusticenot started yet i see. good09:33
S1NGHyou made it in time09:34
S1NGH27 mins09:34
useResatheforkofjustice, hi09:37
theforkofjusticehi resa09:37
theforkofjusticeS1NGH is also here09:37
S1NGHwe met ^^09:37
useResaGlad you could make it.09:38
theforkofjusticeah09:38
theforkofjusticethunderstorm was a bust09:38
useResaDoes this mean it is over now09:38
theforkofjusticeyep09:38
PriceChildwhat's over?09:39
useResatheforkofjustice, S1NGH: I have visitors coming over so I may not be able to attend the entire meeting. Glad you guys are here.09:39
theforkofjusticethunderstorm in my area09:39
theforkofjusticerest assured we got this09:39
S1NGHResa, don't worry09:39
S1NGHAtlantis finally landing eh09:43
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 23 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 13:00 UTC: Community Council | 26 Jun 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
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MikeB-afternoon all09:59
ubuntugeekhowdy mike09:59
S1NGHgood evening Mike09:59
vorian_hello MikeB- :)09:59
bapoumbaHello MikeB- :)09:59
ubuntugeekI got a feeling its just us attending from the FC today09:59
SD-PlisskenHello MikeB-09:59
theforkofjusticehello09:59
VorianOk10:00
useResahi ... good evening for me ;)10:00
VorianIts time for another Jam Packed full o fun FC meeting!10:00
Vorianhere's the agenda in no specific order10:00
Vorianhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47546910:00
ubuntugeekgreat!10:00
MikeB-you think 2 out of 5 is for any anything we need to do today10:01
SD-PlisskenRoll Call Vorian?10:01
Vorianwho's here?10:01
Vorianty SD-Plissken :)10:01
ubuntugeekmikeb: i think we'll be ok10:01
Vorianterrific :)10:02
n3t0ubuntugeek, pvt?10:02
VorianFirst off, we have some introductions of some new staffers.10:02
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Vorianhehe10:02
ubuntugeekAl-rightly lets get this train moving along.. Welcome to our new staff members partisanEntity, hymntolife, bodhi.zazen, hikaaricore and Saphira10:03
VorianWelcome to the team guys :)10:03
bapoumbawelcome everyone !10:03
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ubuntugeekglad to have you on the team..10:03
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ubuntugeek /start watches the tumble weeds.. /end10:04
Vorianlol10:04
Vorianok then10:04
ubuntugeekheh10:04
SD-PlisskenWho's on first?10:04
VorianHymnToLife is the only one here right now10:05
theforkofjusticeWhat's on second10:05
Voriannext up10:05
VorianForum Code of conduct change10:05
VorianAmend the document to include a statement about duplicate accounts. Duplicate accounts should be merged with the original account.10:05
Vorianubuntugeek10:05
ubuntugeekYep10:05
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ubuntugeekPeople dislike our no name change policy and then create duplicate accounts. We should merge the new accounts with their old ones, we got rules for a reason.10:06
ubuntugeek+1 from me10:06
MikeB-+1 here10:06
bapoumba+110:06
Vorian+110:06
HymnToLifethat's even more work for us, bapoumba will not be happy10:06
SD-Plissken+1 for merging dup accounts.10:06
HymnToLifebut +a too10:06
HymnToLifeerr, 110:06
bapoumbaHymnToLife, eh eh :)10:06
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SD-PlisskenDo we notify members of the merging?10:07
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bapoumbaHymnToLife, that's work for the admins ;)10:07
ubuntugeekheh well its probably a rare occasion we will catch them, normally its the trouble makers and it becomes pretty apparent..10:07
bapoumbaubuntugeek, sometime members do it to change their forums nick10:07
bapoumbabecause they want a new one10:08
gnomefreaksome of us dont remember how many accounts we have set up :(10:08
SD-PlisskenSounds like a BS excuse10:08
HymnToLifewell, since creating a new account is obviously against the rules, just delete the new one10:09
HymnToLifeand warn the old :p10:09
gnomefreakSD-Plissken: no really in last 4 years i dont remember10:09
ubuntugeekYeah.  we don't allow them to change their nick. It makes it harder to track down issues.10:09
gnomefreak<<< should be the only one but really dont remember10:09
ubuntugeekI think it will be on a case-by-case unless I decide to purge the user database someday :)10:10
bapoumbagnomefreak, the only time we check is for trouble makers, or when users ask for a nick change, and create a new one10:10
ubuntugeekanyways..10:10
gnomefreakbapoumba: ah ok ty10:10
SD-PlisskenWell if you get a notice saying your accounts been merged then you know you have more then one gnomefreak. lol10:10
ubuntugeek:)10:10
gnomefreak:)10:10
VorianOK10:10
VorianLFC folks10:10
Vorianyou are up10:11
VorianLinux for Clinics has requested to have their forum section re-opened10:11
HymnToLifewell10:11
SD-PlisskenWhy?10:11
HymnToLifewhy was it closed in the fisrt place ?10:11
PriceChilddon't you already have one elsewhere?10:11
SD-PlisskenWhy do they want it open again?10:11
theforkofjusticenope old one is gone for good10:11
theforkofjusticethe UF one will be our permanent official one10:11
SD-PlisskenAnd what is the proof that it will stay that way?10:11
useResaOur request can be reread here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46223310:12
ubuntugeekMikeB?10:12
theforkofjusticethe fact that it's a pain to moderate our own10:12
MikeB-my only question is Linux for Clinics a pure ubuntu project?10:12
useResaWe can not provide proof in advance, but we have learned our lesson :(10:12
S1NGHyes10:12
MikeB-or a Linux in general project10:12
theforkofjusticeforum software is vulnerable to hacks10:12
ubuntugeekI also have concern that some of the members of the LFC don't exactly have a good record on the UF10:12
theforkofjusticeit's wholly based on ubuntu10:13
theforkofjusticewho are the troublemakers uG10:13
useResaCould you be more specific on the members, we have a very small (core) team left10:13
ubuntugeekBigDave?10:13
theforkofjusticetsk. dave dave dave10:13
theforkofjusticehe frustrated the ones at xmod too10:14
SD-PlisskenAll it takes is one so that saying goes10:14
theforkofjusticehe's not a major part of the project10:14
theforkofjusticemore like a hanger-on that help out10:14
theforkofjusticei'm pretty certain he has not signed up to do anything10:15
theforkofjusticehe originally joined as a forum mod only to make his own form of mod-free forum10:15
useResaThe thing is we can not speak for him, all we can do is ask him to behave when and if he represents the project10:15
theforkofjusticealthough he really wants to participate i'm not sure what good he is10:15
ubuntugeekI am just curious, why should we reconsider allowing your forum to be hosted again when you posted pages of hate  on mod-free when we changed our 3rd party policy?10:16
theforkofjusticehe's not a project admin thats for certain10:16
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useResaI think it is fair to say that the members currently attending did not do such thing.10:16
MikeB-I'm ok in re-opening the LFc section, but would like to see how thing go before allowing any LFC to mod that area10:17
useResaI think the current people attending are also the ones that actually care for the project and want it to succeed10:17
theforkofjusticehate?  frustration certainly. we've had to go through this process once already10:17
VorianWho is actively involved with the project useResa?10:17
ubuntugeekI am -1 on this one.10:17
SD-PlisskenMikeB- I say give them a 90day trial run at it.10:18
SD-PlisskenUG 90days10:18
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useResaActively are currently theforkofjustice S1NGH myself and dhalgren (but for him it is the middle of the night now)10:18
MikeB-SD-Plissken, sounds like a fair idea +1 here10:18
ubuntugeek-110:18
ubuntugeekI can't agree to it based on previous issues with this group.10:18
useResaMikeB-, I fully support your suggestion of not letting us mod10:19
theforkofjusticei'm also interested in what chaos has caused this bad blood between us10:19
useResaubuntugeek, people change ... members change ... sometimes I think one should be able to forget the past and give new people a chance10:19
ubuntugeekMy suggestion would be that we bring this up at the next FC meeting when more FC members are present.10:19
theforkofjusticei'd like to see what broods. i don't like our project being besmirched10:20
Vorianat this point its a tie, without more FC members there cannot be a resolution.10:20
Vorianubuntugeek I'll add it to next months agenda10:20
ubuntugeekok10:20
useResaCould someone please indicate what our project can do to take away the bad feelings that obviously exist?10:21
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:21
MikeB-is that ok with the LFC folks for now10:21
theforkofjusticecan you provide me with links to the posts that caused the caution regarding LFC. I want to nip this10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
theforkofjustice(not now but certainly sometime soon)10:22
useResaWell ... it is not what we hoped for ... but as theforkofjustice also indicated ... what can we do to change the feeling?10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
HymnToLifehuh ?10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekWe can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.10:22
ubuntugeekoops10:22
ubuntugeeknot sure what happened there :S10:22
ubuntugeeksorry10:23
MikeB-lol10:23
Vorianhehe10:23
bapoumba_we're all getting older, oneday ;)10:23
useResawell you made your point :D ... and yes please10:23
theforkofjusticeitchy trigger finger :)10:23
ubuntugeekAnyways, if you want we can send a ping out to the FC mailing list or we can simple wait until next month. I am not comfortable without more FC weighing in on this.10:23
S1NGHUG, we can understand what might have happened with your and previous members of Ubuntu Forums and the LFC project, but along with time people do change, and as theforkofjustice indicated, BigDave isn't really fully on the LFC project10:24
theforkofjusticeyes. please expedite10:24
ubuntugeekOk10:24
ubuntugeekI will send out an email10:24
useResaSince our posts ran of the screen quickly ... if there is anything we can do to take away the bad feeling that exists ... please let us know10:24
ubuntugeekemail sent to the list, i'll let vorian know and he can update the meeting notes when a conclusion is made10:25
Vorianok10:25
S1NGHWe have had many delays with the project with past situations/issues, it would be greatly appreciated by the LFC staff if we could amicably resolve any issues arising with us asap10:26
theforkofjusticeand do let us know about run ins that rub you the wrong way10:26
useResaJust for my information ... is the decision then final our can we react to the decision?10:26
useResaerror ... our should be or10:26
theforkofjusticei get a creepy feeling that dave has been responsible for most of those ill feelings10:27
ubuntugeekIf you wanted to press the issue you could at the next FC meeting if its denied.10:27
PriceChildtheforkofjustice, not just bigdave10:27
useResaThank you for informing10:27
S1NGHbtw: who are the other "troublemakers"10:28
useResaOne of us as well?  That is theforkofjustice, S1NGH  or myself10:28
theforkofjusticei remember asking for some minimal mod powers but not much else10:28
ubuntugeekresa: just curious are richbarana and rattleviper part of your project?10:29
theforkofjusticerattlerviper (charlie) isnt any longer. rich was never a part10:30
useResaNo, neither of them. Rattlerviper has disappeared and Rich never was10:30
useResatheforkofjustice, types faster obviously10:30
bapoumba_brb10:30
theforkofjusticebooyah :)10:30
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Voriananything else w/ LFC?10:32
theforkofjusticeanything?  just the forum.  only reason why were here :)10:32
Vorian:)10:32
ubuntugeekOk lets move on10:32
Voriantheforkofjustice, resolution is forthcoming10:32
Vorian:)10:32
Vorianok SD-Plissken you are up!10:32
SD-PlisskenI'm up10:33
VorianMythTV10:33
SD-PlisskenI was only asked to put that on the list that is not project.10:33
Vorianof10:33
Vorianhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47032810:33
Vorianhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47032810:33
VorianMythTV sub forum10:34
SD-PlisskenPersonally I see no issue with the request, as they have no forums of their own10:34
ubuntugeekIt looks like a derivative of ubuntu. Is anyone form that team here?10:34
ubuntugeekhttp://www.mythbuntu.org/10:34
ubuntugeekform=from10:35
SD-Plisskeni feel we should defer it till superm1 can make a showing.10:35
Vorianok then10:35
Vorianmoved to July10:35
MikeB-mythbuntu was officially approved at the last CC meeting10:35
ubuntugeekMikeb: OK then I am ok with it, that was my question +110:35
Vorianor not :)10:36
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SD-PlisskenI must have missed that.10:36
MikeB-+1 here  also, if they wanted one10:36
SD-Plissken+110:36
bapoumba+110:36
ubuntugeekok great.. I'll get it setup10:36
Voriannice10:36
Vorianquick and easy10:37
ubuntugeekok great.. I'll get it setup10:37
SD-PlisskenNot always10:37
ubuntugeekok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setup10:37
HymnToLifeow10:37
ubuntugeekbah10:37
SD-PlisskenUG your keyboard busted.10:37
ubuntugeeki think my laptop is overheating :)10:37
MikeB-or too much caffeine10:37
Vorianlast topic10:37
HymnToLifeor beer :p10:37
ubuntugeekhah10:37
bapoumbaoverheating is bad ...10:37
ubuntugeekI'm at work, drinking isnt allowed10:38
ubuntugeek:)10:38
ubuntugeekAnyways10:38
VorianForumCouncil Q&A10:38
VorianThe last hour or so reserved for an open Q&A session of the Forum Council.10:38
SD-PlisskenWow we underlings get to hammer the FC with questions10:39
SD-Plisskenlol10:39
ubuntugeekI'll make a few statements..10:39
ubuntugeekI have officially removed myself from the lifetime seat on the FC and will serve the same term as the others on the team.10:39
MikeB-UG: should we change the forum governance wiki page to reflect that10:40
bapoumbamay I have a question ?10:41
ubuntugeekAlso, all forum assets domains, vbulletin licenses and data have been transferred to canonical.10:41
ubuntugeekMikeb: yes we should10:41
MikeB-bapoumba, sure10:41
MikeB-ubuntugeek, I will do that later10:41
ubuntugeekOk10:41
ubuntugeekthanks10:41
bapoumbaare all members from all ubuntu councils on 2 years term ?10:41
ubuntugeekBapoumba, yes10:42
MikeB-bapoumba, tech board is 1 year10:42
bapoumbaok thanks :)10:42
ubuntugeekThey can serv more if re-elected if they wish.10:42
bapoumbacool10:42
PriceChildIRC Council will be 2 years when its created (hopefully) in a few days/weeks10:42
SD-PlisskenWho runs that?10:42
PriceChildSD-Plissken, is that in my direction?10:43
SD-PlisskenOf course10:43
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PriceChildIt will be seve.as, nal.ioth, lj.l, elk.buntu & me if no-one has any problems with that...10:43
SD-PlisskenOh10:44
PriceChildalthough I think sev.eas will be wanting to drop out after about 6 months or so...10:44
PriceChildbut anyway back to the FC meeting :)10:44
bapoumbacongrats Pricey :)10:44
SD-PlisskenWhat purpose will it serve.10:45
PriceChildSD-Plissken, -> pm so as not to hijack this any longer10:45
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MikeB-any other question/comments for the FC10:46
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ubuntugeek_..10:47
bapoumbahappened to me earlier ...10:47
Vorianwb10:48
ubuntugeek_Anything else we need to discuss?10:48
Voriannothing on the agenda10:48
ubuntugeek_anyone have anything else thats not on the agenda?10:48
MikeB-looks like we are good10:48
bapoumbafine with me10:49
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Vorianthanks everyone10:49
=== SD-Plissken End Transmission
ubuntugeek_mike you get my msg?10:49
MikeB-the email yes10:49
ubuntugeek_on irc?10:50
MikeB-nope10:50
ubuntugeek_weird10:50
ubuntugeek_:S10:50
ubuntugeek_get that one?10:50
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MikeB-ubuntu-geek, no, very weird10:51
ubuntu-geekah because you have a -10:51
ubuntu-geekin your username its being denied10:51
ubuntu-geekand i had the _10:51
MikeB-:)10:51
ubuntu-geekany well no worries..10:51
ubuntu-geekbye all10:51
ubuntu-geekgeesh i cant even type today10:52
useResabye and thank you for listening10:52
S1NGHcya later UG :)10:52
MikeB-thanks all for coming10:52
ubuntu-geeksee ya.. 24 hours the other FC should weigh in resa10:52
useResaThank you ... will we be informed by PM or should we just check the minutes?10:53
MikeB-useResa, I will send e-mail10:53
useResaThank you ... much appreciated10:54
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bapoumbabye everyone10:54
MikeB-later all10:54
useResaBye10:54
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theforkofjusticehmm...i missed the goodbyes :(10:57
theforkofjusticewell GOODBYE :D10:57
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PartisanEntityhello everyone11:22
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hikaricorehiya11:29
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