[04:30] <n3t0> sfair, \o/
[09:20] <Vorian> aloha
[09:20] <S1NGH> :)
[09:20] <useResa> S1NGH, Hi
[09:21] <S1NGH> How are you Resa?
[09:21] <useResa> Fine and you
[09:21] <S1NGH> great, all ready?
[09:21] <Vorian> we have what, 40 min?
[09:21] <useResa> Of course a hello to everyone else
[09:21] <S1NGH> yes Vorian
[09:21] <Vorian> hoe gaat het useResa?
[09:21] <Vorian> :)
[09:22] <useResa> Goed ... Nederlander?
[09:22] <Vorian> no
[09:22] <Vorian> American :)
[09:22] <useResa> Then your Dutch is very good
[09:22] <Vorian> I though everyone knew that :)
[09:22] <Vorian> the "how are you" i meant
[09:23] <Vorian> because I'm really terrible at Dutch
[09:23] <useResa> Well it's the first time I'm confronted with a Dutch greeting, but sure makes me feel welcome
[09:24] <Vorian> :)
[09:24] <S1NGH> Who's in California now?
[09:26] <bashelier> @schedule california
[09:26] <bashelier> doesn't work :/
[09:26] <bashelier> @schedule Paris
[09:26] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 21:00: Technical Board
[09:27] <Vorian> @shedule los angeles
[09:27] <bashelier> @schedule California
[09:27] <bashelier> @schedule Los angeles
[09:27] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 23 Jun 13:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 08:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 05:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 12:00: Technical Board
[09:27] <bashelier> Vorian: ^
[09:27] <bashelier> ;)
[09:27] <fernando> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[09:27] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 23 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 12:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 09:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 16:00: Technical Board
[09:27] <Vorian> if i only knew how to spell
[09:28] <bashelier> fernando: are you a candidate for next CC ? :)
[09:29] <fernando> bashelier, no =)
[09:29] <bashelier> fernando: why not ? you have uploaded severall packages :)
[09:31] <fernando> bashelier, i'm not need to be a member to help ubuntu =)
[09:32] <bashelier> fernando: I see, that's true :)
[09:32] <Vorian> fernando, but don't you want the free car?
[09:32] <Vorian> :)
[09:33] <theforkofjustice> hiya S1NGH
[09:33] <S1NGH> hiya
[09:33] <theforkofjustice> not started yet i see. good
[09:34] <S1NGH> you made it in time
[09:34] <S1NGH> 27 mins
[09:37] <useResa> theforkofjustice, hi
[09:37] <theforkofjustice> hi resa
[09:37] <theforkofjustice> S1NGH is also here
[09:37] <S1NGH> we met ^^
[09:38] <useResa> Glad you could make it.
[09:38] <theforkofjustice> ah
[09:38] <theforkofjustice> thunderstorm was a bust
[09:38] <useResa> Does this mean it is over now
[09:38] <theforkofjustice> yep
[09:39] <PriceChild> what's over?
[09:39] <useResa> theforkofjustice, S1NGH: I have visitors coming over so I may not be able to attend the entire meeting. Glad you guys are here.
[09:39] <theforkofjustice> thunderstorm in my area
[09:39] <theforkofjustice> rest assured we got this
[09:39] <S1NGH> Resa, don't worry
[09:43] <S1NGH> Atlantis finally landing eh
[09:59] <MikeB-> afternoon all
[09:59] <ubuntugeek> howdy mike
[09:59] <S1NGH> good evening Mike
[09:59] <vorian_> hello MikeB- :)
[09:59] <bapoumba> Hello MikeB- :)
[09:59] <ubuntugeek> I got a feeling its just us attending from the FC today
[09:59] <SD-Plissken> Hello MikeB-
[09:59] <theforkofjustice> hello
[10:00] <Vorian> Ok
[10:00] <useResa> hi ... good evening for me ;)
[10:00] <Vorian> Its time for another Jam Packed full o fun FC meeting!
[10:00] <Vorian> here's the agenda in no specific order
[10:00] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475469
[10:00] <ubuntugeek> great!
[10:01] <MikeB-> you think 2 out of 5 is for any anything we need to do today
[10:01] <SD-Plissken> Roll Call Vorian?
[10:01] <Vorian> who's here?
[10:01] <Vorian> ty SD-Plissken :)
[10:01] <ubuntugeek> mikeb: i think we'll be ok
[10:02] <Vorian> terrific :)
[10:02] <n3t0> ubuntugeek, pvt?
[10:02] <Vorian> First off, we have some introductions of some new staffers.
[10:02] <Vorian> hehe
[10:03] <ubuntugeek> Al-rightly lets get this train moving along.. Welcome to our new staff members partisanEntity, hymntolife, bodhi.zazen, hikaaricore and Saphira
[10:03] <Vorian> Welcome to the team guys :)
[10:03] <bapoumba> welcome everyone !
[10:03] <ubuntugeek> glad to have you on the team..
[10:04] <ubuntugeek>  /start watches the tumble weeds.. /end
[10:04] <Vorian> lol
[10:04] <Vorian> ok then
[10:04] <ubuntugeek> heh
[10:04] <SD-Plissken> Who's on first?
[10:05] <Vorian> HymnToLife is the only one here right now
[10:05] <theforkofjustice> What's on second
[10:05] <Vorian> next up
[10:05] <Vorian> Forum Code of conduct change
[10:05] <Vorian> Amend the document to include a statement about duplicate accounts. Duplicate accounts should be merged with the original account.
[10:05] <Vorian> ubuntugeek
[10:05] <ubuntugeek> Yep
[10:06] <ubuntugeek> People dislike our no name change policy and then create duplicate accounts. We should merge the new accounts with their old ones, we got rules for a reason.
[10:06] <ubuntugeek> +1 from me
[10:06] <MikeB-> +1 here
[10:06] <bapoumba> +1
[10:06] <Vorian> +1
[10:06] <HymnToLife> that's even more work for us, bapoumba will not be happy
[10:06] <SD-Plissken> +1 for merging dup accounts.
[10:06] <HymnToLife> but +a too
[10:06] <HymnToLife> err, 1
[10:06] <bapoumba> HymnToLife, eh eh :)
[10:07] <SD-Plissken> Do we notify members of the merging?
[10:07] <bapoumba> HymnToLife, that's work for the admins ;)
[10:07] <ubuntugeek> heh well its probably a rare occasion we will catch them, normally its the trouble makers and it becomes pretty apparent..
[10:07] <bapoumba> ubuntugeek, sometime members do it to change their forums nick
[10:08] <bapoumba> because they want a new one
[10:08] <gnomefreak> some of us dont remember how many accounts we have set up :(
[10:08] <SD-Plissken> Sounds like a BS excuse
[10:09] <HymnToLife> well, since creating a new account is obviously against the rules, just delete the new one
[10:09] <HymnToLife> and warn the old :p
[10:09] <gnomefreak> SD-Plissken: no really in last 4 years i dont remember
[10:09] <ubuntugeek> Yeah.  we don't allow them to change their nick. It makes it harder to track down issues.
[10:09] <gnomefreak> <<< should be the only one but really dont remember
[10:10] <ubuntugeek> I think it will be on a case-by-case unless I decide to purge the user database someday :)
[10:10] <bapoumba> gnomefreak, the only time we check is for trouble makers, or when users ask for a nick change, and create a new one
[10:10] <ubuntugeek> anyways..
[10:10] <gnomefreak> bapoumba: ah ok ty
[10:10] <SD-Plissken> Well if you get a notice saying your accounts been merged then you know you have more then one gnomefreak. lol
[10:10] <ubuntugeek> :)
[10:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:10] <Vorian> OK
[10:10] <Vorian> LFC folks
[10:11] <Vorian> you are up
[10:11] <Vorian> Linux for Clinics has requested to have their forum section re-opened
[10:11] <HymnToLife> well
[10:11] <SD-Plissken> Why?
[10:11] <HymnToLife> why was it closed in the fisrt place ?
[10:11] <PriceChild> don't you already have one elsewhere?
[10:11] <SD-Plissken> Why do they want it open again?
[10:11] <theforkofjustice> nope old one is gone for good
[10:11] <theforkofjustice> the UF one will be our permanent official one
[10:11] <SD-Plissken> And what is the proof that it will stay that way?
[10:12] <useResa> Our request can be reread here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=462233
[10:12] <ubuntugeek> MikeB?
[10:12] <theforkofjustice> the fact that it's a pain to moderate our own
[10:12] <MikeB-> my only question is Linux for Clinics a pure ubuntu project?
[10:12] <useResa> We can not provide proof in advance, but we have learned our lesson :(
[10:12] <S1NGH> yes
[10:12] <MikeB-> or a Linux in general project
[10:12] <theforkofjustice> forum software is vulnerable to hacks
[10:12] <ubuntugeek> I also have concern that some of the members of the LFC don't exactly have a good record on the UF
[10:13] <theforkofjustice> it's wholly based on ubuntu
[10:13] <theforkofjustice> who are the troublemakers uG
[10:13] <useResa> Could you be more specific on the members, we have a very small (core) team left
[10:13] <ubuntugeek> BigDave?
[10:13] <theforkofjustice> tsk. dave dave dave
[10:14] <theforkofjustice> he frustrated the ones at xmod too
[10:14] <SD-Plissken> All it takes is one so that saying goes
[10:14] <theforkofjustice> he's not a major part of the project
[10:14] <theforkofjustice> more like a hanger-on that help out
[10:15] <theforkofjustice> i'm pretty certain he has not signed up to do anything
[10:15] <theforkofjustice> he originally joined as a forum mod only to make his own form of mod-free forum
[10:15] <useResa> The thing is we can not speak for him, all we can do is ask him to behave when and if he represents the project
[10:15] <theforkofjustice> although he really wants to participate i'm not sure what good he is
[10:16] <ubuntugeek> I am just curious, why should we reconsider allowing your forum to be hosted again when you posted pages of hate  on mod-free when we changed our 3rd party policy?
[10:16] <theforkofjustice> he's not a project admin thats for certain
[10:16] <useResa> I think it is fair to say that the members currently attending did not do such thing.
[10:17] <MikeB-> I'm ok in re-opening the LFc section, but would like to see how thing go before allowing any LFC to mod that area
[10:17] <useResa> I think the current people attending are also the ones that actually care for the project and want it to succeed
[10:17] <theforkofjustice> hate?  frustration certainly. we've had to go through this process once already
[10:17] <Vorian> Who is actively involved with the project useResa?
[10:17] <ubuntugeek> I am -1 on this one.
[10:18] <SD-Plissken> MikeB- I say give them a 90day trial run at it.
[10:18] <SD-Plissken> UG 90days
[10:18] <useResa> Actively are currently theforkofjustice S1NGH myself and dhalgren (but for him it is the middle of the night now)
[10:18] <MikeB-> SD-Plissken, sounds like a fair idea +1 here
[10:18] <ubuntugeek> -1
[10:18] <ubuntugeek> I can't agree to it based on previous issues with this group.
[10:19] <useResa> MikeB-, I fully support your suggestion of not letting us mod
[10:19] <theforkofjustice> i'm also interested in what chaos has caused this bad blood between us
[10:19] <useResa> ubuntugeek, people change ... members change ... sometimes I think one should be able to forget the past and give new people a chance
[10:19] <ubuntugeek> My suggestion would be that we bring this up at the next FC meeting when more FC members are present.
[10:20] <theforkofjustice> i'd like to see what broods. i don't like our project being besmirched
[10:20] <Vorian> at this point its a tie, without more FC members there cannot be a resolution.
[10:20] <Vorian> ubuntugeek I'll add it to next months agenda
[10:20] <ubuntugeek> ok
[10:21] <useResa> Could someone please indicate what our project can do to take away the bad feelings that obviously exist?
[10:21] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:21] <MikeB-> is that ok with the LFC folks for now
[10:22] <theforkofjustice> can you provide me with links to the posts that caused the caution regarding LFC. I want to nip this
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <theforkofjustice> (not now but certainly sometime soon)
[10:22] <useResa> Well ... it is not what we hoped for ... but as theforkofjustice also indicated ... what can we do to change the feeling?
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <HymnToLife> huh ?
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.We can make a special case and have the missing FC make a ruling via the FC mailing list if you want this expedited.
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> oops
[10:22] <ubuntugeek> not sure what happened there :S
[10:23] <ubuntugeek> sorry
[10:23] <MikeB-> lol
[10:23] <Vorian> hehe
[10:23] <bapoumba_> we're all getting older, oneday ;)
[10:23] <useResa> well you made your point :D ... and yes please
[10:23] <theforkofjustice> itchy trigger finger :)
[10:23] <ubuntugeek> Anyways, if you want we can send a ping out to the FC mailing list or we can simple wait until next month. I am not comfortable without more FC weighing in on this.
[10:24] <S1NGH> UG, we can understand what might have happened with your and previous members of Ubuntu Forums and the LFC project, but along with time people do change, and as theforkofjustice indicated, BigDave isn't really fully on the LFC project
[10:24] <theforkofjustice> yes. please expedite
[10:24] <ubuntugeek> Ok
[10:24] <ubuntugeek> I will send out an email
[10:24] <useResa> Since our posts ran of the screen quickly ... if there is anything we can do to take away the bad feeling that exists ... please let us know
[10:25] <ubuntugeek> email sent to the list, i'll let vorian know and he can update the meeting notes when a conclusion is made
[10:25] <Vorian> ok
[10:26] <S1NGH> We have had many delays with the project with past situations/issues, it would be greatly appreciated by the LFC staff if we could amicably resolve any issues arising with us asap
[10:26] <theforkofjustice> and do let us know about run ins that rub you the wrong way
[10:26] <useResa> Just for my information ... is the decision then final our can we react to the decision?
[10:26] <useResa> error ... our should be or
[10:27] <theforkofjustice> i get a creepy feeling that dave has been responsible for most of those ill feelings
[10:27] <ubuntugeek> If you wanted to press the issue you could at the next FC meeting if its denied.
[10:27] <PriceChild> theforkofjustice, not just bigdave
[10:27] <useResa> Thank you for informing
[10:28] <S1NGH> btw: who are the other "troublemakers"
[10:28] <useResa> One of us as well?  That is theforkofjustice, S1NGH  or myself
[10:28] <theforkofjustice> i remember asking for some minimal mod powers but not much else
[10:29] <ubuntugeek> resa: just curious are richbarana and rattleviper part of your project?
[10:30] <theforkofjustice> rattlerviper (charlie) isnt any longer. rich was never a part
[10:30] <useResa> No, neither of them. Rattlerviper has disappeared and Rich never was
[10:30] <useResa> theforkofjustice, types faster obviously
[10:30] <bapoumba_> brb
[10:30] <theforkofjustice> booyah :)
[10:32] <Vorian> anything else w/ LFC?
[10:32] <theforkofjustice> anything?  just the forum.  only reason why were here :)
[10:32] <Vorian> :)
[10:32] <ubuntugeek> Ok lets move on
[10:32] <Vorian> theforkofjustice, resolution is forthcoming
[10:32] <Vorian> :)
[10:32] <Vorian> ok SD-Plissken you are up!
[10:33] <SD-Plissken> I'm up
[10:33] <Vorian> MythTV
[10:33] <SD-Plissken> I was only asked to put that on the list that is not project.
[10:33] <Vorian> of
[10:33] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470328
[10:33] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470328
[10:34] <Vorian> MythTV sub forum
[10:34] <SD-Plissken> Personally I see no issue with the request, as they have no forums of their own
[10:34] <ubuntugeek> It looks like a derivative of ubuntu. Is anyone form that team here?
[10:34] <ubuntugeek> http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[10:35] <ubuntugeek> form=from
[10:35] <SD-Plissken> i feel we should defer it till superm1 can make a showing.
[10:35] <Vorian> ok then
[10:35] <Vorian> moved to July
[10:35] <MikeB-> mythbuntu was officially approved at the last CC meeting
[10:35] <ubuntugeek> Mikeb: OK then I am ok with it, that was my question +1
[10:36] <Vorian> or not :)
[10:36] <SD-Plissken> I must have missed that.
[10:36] <MikeB-> +1 here  also, if they wanted one
[10:36] <SD-Plissken> +1
[10:36] <bapoumba> +1
[10:36] <ubuntugeek> ok great.. I'll get it setup
[10:36] <Vorian> nice
[10:37] <Vorian> quick and easy
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> ok great.. I'll get it setup
[10:37] <SD-Plissken> Not always
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> ok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setupok great.. I'll get it setup
[10:37] <HymnToLife> ow
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> bah
[10:37] <SD-Plissken> UG your keyboard busted.
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> i think my laptop is overheating :)
[10:37] <MikeB-> or too much caffeine
[10:37] <Vorian> last topic
[10:37] <HymnToLife> or beer :p
[10:37] <ubuntugeek> hah
[10:37] <bapoumba> overheating is bad ...
[10:38] <ubuntugeek> I'm at work, drinking isnt allowed
[10:38] <ubuntugeek> :)
[10:38] <ubuntugeek> Anyways
[10:38] <Vorian> ForumCouncil Q&A
[10:38] <Vorian> The last hour or so reserved for an open Q&A session of the Forum Council.
[10:39] <SD-Plissken> Wow we underlings get to hammer the FC with questions
[10:39] <SD-Plissken> lol
[10:39] <ubuntugeek> I'll make a few statements..
[10:39] <ubuntugeek> I have officially removed myself from the lifetime seat on the FC and will serve the same term as the others on the team.
[10:40] <MikeB-> UG: should we change the forum governance wiki page to reflect that
[10:41] <bapoumba> may I have a question ?
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> Also, all forum assets domains, vbulletin licenses and data have been transferred to canonical.
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> Mikeb: yes we should
[10:41] <MikeB-> bapoumba, sure
[10:41] <MikeB-> ubuntugeek, I will do that later
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> Ok
[10:41] <ubuntugeek> thanks
[10:41] <bapoumba> are all members from all ubuntu councils on 2 years term ?
[10:42] <ubuntugeek> Bapoumba, yes
[10:42] <MikeB-> bapoumba, tech board is 1 year
[10:42] <bapoumba> ok thanks :)
[10:42] <ubuntugeek> They can serv more if re-elected if they wish.
[10:42] <bapoumba> cool
[10:42] <PriceChild> IRC Council will be 2 years when its created (hopefully) in a few days/weeks
[10:42] <SD-Plissken> Who runs that?
[10:43] <PriceChild> SD-Plissken, is that in my direction?
[10:43] <SD-Plissken> Of course
[10:43] <PriceChild> It will be seve.as, nal.ioth, lj.l, elk.buntu & me if no-one has any problems with that...
[10:44] <SD-Plissken> Oh
[10:44] <PriceChild> although I think sev.eas will be wanting to drop out after about 6 months or so...
[10:44] <PriceChild> but anyway back to the FC meeting :)
[10:44] <bapoumba> congrats Pricey :)
[10:45] <SD-Plissken> What purpose will it serve.
[10:45] <PriceChild> SD-Plissken, -> pm so as not to hijack this any longer
[10:46] <MikeB-> any other question/comments for the FC
[10:47] <ubuntugeek_> ..
[10:47] <bapoumba> happened to me earlier ...
[10:48] <Vorian> wb
[10:48] <ubuntugeek_> Anything else we need to discuss?
[10:48] <Vorian> nothing on the agenda
[10:48] <ubuntugeek_> anyone have anything else thats not on the agenda?
[10:48] <MikeB-> looks like we are good
[10:49] <bapoumba> fine with me
[10:49] <Vorian> thanks everyone
[10:49] <ubuntugeek_> mike you get my msg?
[10:49] <MikeB-> the email yes
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> on irc?
[10:50] <MikeB-> nope
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> weird
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> :S
[10:50] <ubuntugeek_> get that one?
[10:51] <MikeB-> ubuntu-geek, no, very weird
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> ah because you have a -
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> in your username its being denied
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> and i had the _
[10:51] <MikeB-> :)
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> any well no worries..
[10:51] <ubuntu-geek> bye all
[10:52] <ubuntu-geek> geesh i cant even type today
[10:52] <useResa> bye and thank you for listening
[10:52] <S1NGH> cya later UG :)
[10:52] <MikeB-> thanks all for coming
[10:52] <ubuntu-geek> see ya.. 24 hours the other FC should weigh in resa
[10:53] <useResa> Thank you ... will we be informed by PM or should we just check the minutes?
[10:53] <MikeB-> useResa, I will send e-mail
[10:54] <useResa> Thank you ... much appreciated
[10:54] <bapoumba> bye everyone
[10:54] <MikeB-> later all
[10:54] <useResa> Bye
[10:57] <theforkofjustice> hmm...i missed the goodbyes :(
[10:57] <theforkofjustice> well GOODBYE :D
[11:22] <PartisanEntity> hello everyone
[11:29] <hikaricore> hiya