[02:30] <xkyotox> hi
[02:32] <agoliveira> Hello
[02:33] <xkyotox> wazz up?
[02:34] <agoliveira> sdame old, same old
[02:35] <xkyotox> okay
[02:36] <xkyotox> (sorry for my spelling) i am realy intrested in a ubuntu mobile=) have the phone been releaed witsh thay are planing the platforme for ?
[02:40] <agoliveira> xkyotox: We are not focusing in phones right now but in bigger devices like webpads based on Intel's LPIA. After that we are going into other platforms.
[02:41] <xkyotox> okay
[02:41] <xkyotox> have to check that out
[02:43] <xkyotox> owh.. i wass so excited for a ubuntu phone platforme
[02:44] <xkyotox> OpenMoko mybe then =(
[02:46] <matt_c> or an N800 with Gizmo :)
[02:46] <Mithrandir> I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see phone functionality on MIDs soonish.
[02:47] <xkyotox> N800 hu okay..
[02:49] <matt_c> I'm just being obnoxious.  It's not the same as having a GSM phone or anything, but if you're bathed in WiFi all day it'll work using something like Gizmo.
[03:28] <brinstar> hi, i have a samsung 'blackjack' phone, is it ever going to be possible to use linux on it?
[03:29] <Mithrandir> no idea; maybe.
[03:29] <brinstar> the wiki doesnt really say either way
[03:30] <ian_brasil> ola...quick question...will there be a separate repository for UME
[03:35] <brinstar> has anyone used a linux smartphone?
[03:36] <brinstar> are they as customisable as usual linux distros?
[03:37] <matt_c> brinstar: with the exception of OpenMoko all Linux "smartphones" tend to be just as locked down as a java featurephone.
[03:37] <matt_c> At least that's what I know of the Moto ones
[03:38] <brinstar> just looking at openmoko now, looks really cool
[03:39] <matt_c> There are also some homebrew folks looking to put together their own hardware/software stack (google for SVHMPC) that might be worth looking at
[03:39] <brinstar> the mobile companies are probably someone will find a way to hack them so you get free calls :)
[03:40] <brinstar> probably afraid*
[03:41] <ian_brasil> matt_c: http://bricolabs.info
[03:41] <Mithrandir> ian_brasil: it will just be a different architecture, but live in the same archive as the normal Ubuntu packages.
[03:42] <brinstar> ?? it mentions the NDS
[03:42] <ian_brasil> Mithrandir: ok
[03:43] <ian_brasil> Mithrandir: what is the name of the architecture?
[03:46] <Mithrandir> lpia
[04:19] <agoliveira> tko: Hi. Do you know if you keep matchbox in sync with upstream?
[04:20] <tko> agoliveira: fairly close. I think we currently have an svn snapshot, but I'd need to check our svn and from Tapani
[04:21] <amitk> jacob_ - ping
[04:22] <agoliveira> tko: I would apreciate if you find me this information. I need to sync your matchbox with upstream to create a branch for us here. If you have done it already would be nice ;)
[04:24] <tko> agoliveira: I can only check our svn.. it's a holiday weekend here so I can't catch our maintainer until Monday
[04:24] <tko> matchbox-window-manager-20070619.tar.bz2
[04:25] <tko> and no patches apparently
[04:25] <agoliveira> tko: Fine
[04:25] <agoliveira> tko: So you're using upstream directly?
[04:25] <tko> seems so
[04:26] <agoliveira> tko: Weird. I tought your matchbox was somewhat patched.
[04:26] <tko> we might have occasional patches when we need some stuff faster than matthew likes to commit, or when (we think) we want some controversial stuff
[04:26] <tko> yeah, I thought so too :)
[04:27] <agoliveira> tko: Well, if your repository shows no patches it will be just perfect to me :) Anyway, I'll check it out later to see what happens.
[04:27] <agoliveira> tko: Thanks
[04:29] <agoliveira> Lunch time!
[06:49] <agoliveira> tko: Really that's strange. I was checking matchbox at maemo's svn and there's a "debianizer" and a plain snapshot from upstream. Do you know, by any chance, if Maemo's changes were inetegrated upstream?
[06:49] <tko> agoliveira: debianizer?
[06:50] <agoliveira> tko: Just a directory with a bunch o debian-style packaging rules but forget what I asked, I just saw that yes.
[06:51] <agoliveira> tko: Just in case I'll diff against upstream but looks like 1/2 my task is done already ;)
[07:13] <agoliveira> Ok, it's just the other way around, your mainteiner, Tapani, did make a few changes but over very recent matchbox so we should be fine just using yours.
[07:15] <agoliveira> I just wonder why he keeps it a a tar.gz...
[07:22] <tko> agoliveira: our tar.gz is upstream snapshot + patches not upstream yet?
[07:22] <tko> because it's convenient
[07:23] <tko> handling all the patches separately is pita :)
[07:25] <agoliveira> tko: If by snapshot + your patches you mean the modified files not source + diffs, yes. AFAICS, no patches of your side entered upstream, at least the ones on your svn.
[07:25] <agoliveira> I mean not original sources + diffs
[07:25] <tko> ick
[07:27] <agoliveira> tko: Anyway, I would like to check that with Tapani monday.
[07:28] <tko> good idea
[07:28] <agoliveira> For now, I'll just create a separate branch on LP with your matchbox-window-manager and see what happens.
[07:29] <agoliveira> and adjust the dependencies to use them of course.
[10:05] <robr> amitk, what's up? i can try to raise jacob-laptop for you