[12:35] <pochu> Any MOTU to ACK bug 119995? :)
[12:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119995 in deluge-torrent "Sync deluge-torrent (0.5.1.1-1) from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119995
[12:37] <persia> pochu: Is this required?  I thought that there was still one more run of the autosync planned (and deluge-torrent has no Ubuntu changes).
[12:37] <pochu> Hmm, right.
[12:38] <pochu> persia: it was a 'please package new upstream version', renamed to 'please sync ...' now that it's been packaged in Debian.
[12:38] <pochu> I'll take care of it, thanks anyway!
[12:39] <persia> pochu: Thanks.  I'm unsubscribing U-U-S.  If it misses the freeze, please add a Rationale justifying the sync, and resubscribe.
[12:41] <ajmitch> the freeze is a few weeks off still
[12:42] <ajmitch> DebianImportFreeze isn't really a freeze as such
[12:44] <persia> ajmitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule reports the "freeze" starting 21st June.  Is this no longer correct?  Was a mechanism built to distinguish main from universe for sync?
[12:45] <ajmitch> persia: sure, but that's just disabling the autosync
[12:45] <ajmitch> and no, there's definitely no plans to break universe by keeping syncing on
[12:46] <ajmitch> but archive admins may disagree :)
[12:47] <persia> ajmitch: OK.  That's what I thought.  I'm just under the impression that U-A doesn't need to be subscribed to sync requests with no Ubuntu changes until after the last run (and thought there was some issue with the script that delayed the last run).
[12:54] <geser> get fake-syncs a build1 or ubuntu1 suffix? it's some time since I did the last fake-sync
[12:55] <ajmitch> build1
[12:58] <geser> do I keep the old ubuntu changelog entries?
[12:59] <ajmitch> if you wish, it won't matter on the next actual sync
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> hey... are there any python apps that need to get coded/ worked on?
[01:08] <_MMA_> !seen imbrandon
[01:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen imbrandon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <Nafallo> ubotu: seen imbrandon
[01:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen imbrandon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <Nafallo> baah
[01:10] <_MMA_> He's been gone for like 10 days. Some sited he hosts are down. :(
[01:10] <_MMA_> *sites
[01:10] <Nafallo> _MMA_: lika aurora, correct?
[01:10] <_MMA_> Im not sure with that one.
[01:11] <_MMA_> His repo as well as Ubuntu Studio.org are down.
[01:11] <Nafallo> I couldn't reach it today... but could be bad routing :-/
[01:11] <joejaxx> i think it might be routing
[01:11] <Nafallo> I wanted to build gajim :-P
[01:11] <geser> aurora sees to be dead for a few days now
[01:12] <Nafallo> I'll guess I'll just have to wait for my two ordered raptors and build my server :-)
[01:12] <geser> but sparky still works
[01:12] <_MMA_> Hmm.. I sent him a email yesterday. Hope he's ok.
[01:12] <luisbg> how can someone check with ubotu when somebody was here for the last time?
[01:12] <pochu> Is that possible?
[01:12] <Nafallo> luisbg: seems we couldn't :-P
[01:13] <luisbg> pochu, should be
[01:13] <luisbg> Nafallo, :(
[01:13] <Nafallo> -ENOSEVEAS
[01:13] <pochu> geser: bug #121636
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121636 in launchpad "when a bug is marked as triaged it desapears" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121636
[01:13] <Nafallo> people are missing :-P
[01:13] <Nafallo> what is this?
[01:14] <Nafallo> Microsoft started doing like in that movie...
[01:14] <Nafallo> ?
[01:14] <pochu> Good night folks!
[01:17] <geser> _MMA_: my log has seen imbrandon three days ago
[01:17] <StevenK> Nafallo: Antitrust ?
[01:17] <Nafallo> StevenK: right. that's the name :-)
[01:18] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[01:18] <_MMA_> geser: Thanx. Hopefully he's ok.
[01:20] <geser> Nafallo: if you still remember him it's not that bad
[01:22] <Nafallo> geser: :-)
[01:25] <geser> if an upload is rejected and accepted at the same time will it stay in this state as long as nobody looks at it?
[01:27] <StevenK> If it was rejected and later accepted, it should hit the archive.
[01:27] <geser> both mails are dated Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:05:22 -0000
[01:29] <geser> see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26686/
[01:30] <StevenK> Okay, I suggest you talk to a member of -archive when they re-surface.
[01:31] <ajmitch> uploaded twice?
[01:32] <geser> only one upload
[01:32] <ajmitch> ah, that's an interesting error
[01:32] <geser> perhaps soyuz is doing experiments with quantum physics :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> asked in #launchpad about the breakage?
[01:33] <geser> not yet
[01:45] <_MMA_> geser: I called Brandon. He should pop on in a couple of hours. (he's out with the family)
[01:46] <Nafallo> _MMA_: he was find otherwise?
[01:46] <_MMA_> Yes. :)
[01:47] <Nafallo> s/nd/ne/
[01:47] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:52] <ajmitch> he seemed just fine last time I saw him online
[01:54] <nixternal> email came through about some soyuz breakage today
[01:55] <nixternal> to find out when someone was last online, you can also do ->   /msg seenserv seen nick
[01:55] <StevenK> I thought SeenServ was neutered?
[01:55] <nixternal> it works for me
[01:56] <nixternal> hrmm
[01:56] <StevenK> Fair enough. Maybe it was killed on OFTC.
[01:56] <nixternal> either is says they are online or they haven't seen someone recently
[01:56] <ajmitch> nixternal!
[01:56] <nixternal> ok, it is working
[01:57] <nixternal> ajmitch!
[01:57] <ajmitch> so you've applied
[01:57] <nixternal> haha, why in the hell am I getting that same response from everyone?
[01:58] <nixternal> man, and you can't revert a sent email....I need +1 not :D 
[01:58] <ajmitch> maybe we should just flip a coin to vote
[01:58] <nixternal> see, it doesn't pay to follow at all...when you follow the advice of a few, you get laughed at
[01:58] <StevenK> nixternal: Well, you can, but only if you control the recieving mail server. :-P
[01:59] <nixternal> well the laugh to positive vote ratio is probably worse than the 50/50 chance with a coin ;p
[01:59] <ajmitch> nixternal: I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you...
[01:59] <ajmitch> convince me that you're ready to be a MOTU
[01:59] <nixternal> hahahaha, ya OK
[02:00] <nixternal> convince me you are ready to ask that question ;p
[02:00] <ajmitch> I don't need to, I just have to vote :)
[02:00] <nixternal> well, if I don't get MOTU I am going back to Microsoft...so pretty pretty please
[02:00] <nixternal> how is that?
[02:00] <nixternal> ;)
[02:00] <ajmitch> shiny vista?
[02:00] <StevenK> Awww, nixternal didn't mention me in his application.
[02:00] <nixternal> nah, ME
[02:01] <nixternal> damn, I didn't
[02:01] <nixternal> StevenK, ScottK
[02:01] <ajmitch> StevenK: aw
[02:01] <nixternal> both start with a big S and end with a big K
[02:01] <ajmitch> anyway, I have to go out for an hour, back later
[02:01] <ajmitch> at least come up with a decent bribe for a change
[02:01] <nixternal> haha
[02:01] <StevenK> nixternal: I didn't know you were that masochistic.
[02:01] <ajmitch> I'm getting sick of noone being generous
[02:01] <nixternal> I will us Gnome!
[02:01] <nixternal> s/us/use
[02:01] <nixternal> ajmitch: what do you need?
[02:02] <nixternal> as long as it is under $5
[02:02] <ajmitch> --> lunch
[02:02] <nixternal> deal!
[02:02] <nixternal> I will send out my private jet in the morning
[02:12] <leonel> is there a howto  update   sun-java  ??
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> I have thunderbird.
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> I deleted stuff out of my lkml mailing list folder.  There's now 86,000 messages in my trash and 97,000 still in the folder.
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> I have, total, over one quarter million e-mails.  @_@
[02:17] <jmg> bluefoxicy: clearly you should unsubscibe some stuff :)
[02:17] <leonel> don't you have a  howto  update  sun-java ?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> jmg:  Well I've got nearly as many total from all the ubuntu mailing lists too ;)
[02:19] <jmg> bluefoxicy: refer previous statement ;)
[02:55] <LaserJock> leonel: what are you looking for?
[02:55] <leonel> to update  sun-java6 to   the  new version  
[02:56] <LaserJock> there is no documentation for that really
[02:56] <leonel> LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate  using  this 
[02:56] <somerville32> When doing a merge, how do I generate the diff that only shows the changes between the debain and ubuntu package?
[02:56] <leonel> LaserJock: I didn't  found any
[02:56] <LaserJock> somerville32: yes
[02:56] <StevenK> somerville32: debdiff
[02:56] <somerville32> Thank you! :)
[02:56] <somerville32> I knew I was forgetting something
[02:57] <LaserJock> somerville32: blah, I thought you said "do" rather then "how do" ;-)
[02:57] <StevenK> Heh
[02:57] <Toadstool> Need to get 1234MB of archives. After unpacking 870MB will be used. <-- er great, I love gutsy :)
[02:58] <LaserJock> leonel: you should look at the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and also the Debian Java Policy (on www.debian.org/devel/ )
[02:58] <ajmitch> Toadstool: nightly apt-get -dy dist-upgrade is a good thing :)
[02:58] <Toadstool> this is what I am going to do
[02:58] <LaserJock> anybody running gutsy on a "production" machine yet?
[02:59] <ajmitch> of course
[02:59] <TheMuso> No way.
[02:59] <leonel> LaserJock: ok  I was looking for a  sun-java  packaging howto 
[02:59] <ajmitch> is my home desktop not 'production' enough?
[02:59] <TheMuso> I may run a Live CD, or on a box that I don't care falls over, but certainly not for day to day use./
[02:59] <LaserJock> leonel: there is none
[02:59] <jrib> gutsy stays in a vm for me
[02:59] <somerville32> I can filter out po delta right?
[03:00] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I'm finding it hard to develop for gutsy when I'm not running it ;-)
[03:00] <leonel> gutsy in  "production"  now  are for  MACHOs only ... :)
[03:00] <LaserJock> I was thinking of dist-upgrading the laptop
[03:00] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Chroots. :)
[03:00] <LaserJock> blah
[03:00] <LaserJock> schroot kicks my butt and I don't have a lot of room for it
[03:01] <TheMuso> LaserJock: How does it kick your but? It is really not that hard to set up.
[03:01] <LaserJock> it has issues with mounting
[03:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: runs fine on my laptop
[03:01] <ajmitch> I've had less problems with gutsy than with other systems
[03:01] <ajmitch> true, I do still have to drop to the initramfs shell to boot my desktop :)
[03:02] <LaserJock> a lot of the time I can't chroot in with schroot
[03:03] <LaserJock> well, maybe I'll stick with schroot for now
[03:03] <ajmitch> wimp
[03:03] <ajmitch> just go all the way
[03:03] <LaserJock> if it wasn't for my wife having to use it I would
[03:03] <ajmitch> we're almost at tribe 2, gutsy is rock solid
[03:03] <jmg> ha
[03:04] <ajmitch> apart from compiz being a little strange lately my desktop is running smoothly
[03:04] <LaserJock> well, I can't use compiz anyway
[03:04] <ajmitch> compiz was slowing other stuff down, so I turned it off
[03:04] <TheMuso> I don't regret switching to sbuild/LVM.
[03:05] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:05] <LaserJock> I really dislike dealing with that kind of thing
[03:05] <LaserJock> I've had lots of trouble with LVM
[03:05] <LaserJock> so I never got to sbuild/LVM
[03:06] <ajmitch> use LVM on loopback
[03:07] <LaserJock> hmm, that sounds a little crazy
[03:08] <LaserJock> maybe I should blow away this Fedora 7 partition I've got
[03:08] <AndyP> keep it simple, i say
[03:09] <AndyP> hi folks, btw
[03:09] <jrib> hi
[03:10] <LaserJock> well, bottom line is my laptop sucks for development work
[03:10] <LaserJock> so I ssh into my "server" for everything
[03:11] <LaserJock> perhaps I should upgrade that to gutsy
[03:11] <ajmitch> I hardly use my laptop for real work
[03:11] <ajmitch> it's just too slow compared to my desktop
[03:11] <ajmitch> laptop drives generally suck
[03:12] <AndyP> i use my laptop for most stuff, mostly because my desk is incredibly uncomfortable and i can use my laptop on my bed
[03:13] <AndyP> they're similar in performance, really
[03:14] <LaserJock> yeah, but it makes it hard to do testing, IMO, when you're ssh'd into everywhere
[03:14] <ajmitch> StevenK: I have a similar difference
[03:14] <StevenK> I tend to do most development sitting in front of it.
[03:14] <ajmitch> dualcore amd64 vs a 2GHz pentium M
[03:14] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:15] <ajmitch> plus the deskotp just plays games better
[03:15] <LaserJock> mine is AMD 1800+ vs 2.6GHz Celeron
[03:15] <StevenK> I am seriously pondering a Core 2 Duo CPU, but I doubt the motherboard supports it.
[03:15] <ajmitch> it won't
[03:15] <ajmitch> you'll need a new motherboard, new RAM
[03:15] <ajmitch> unless you've got ddr2 ram for that amd64
[03:17] <ajmitch> yay, found a cheap(ish) 20" lcd
[03:17] <ajmitch> should I get it?
[03:17] <jrib> only if you can return it if you don't like it
[03:18] <zul_> hey
[03:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: Well, either that or a Pentium 4 D that supports both long mode and is dual core.
[03:20] <LaserJock> I was thinking of getting a 17" LCD for my desktop machine but then I rarely sit in from of it so...
[03:20] <ajmitch> only 17"?
[03:20] <ajmitch> then the CRT died
[03:20] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yes, it's got a 17" CRT now
[03:21] <zul> im getting a new hard drive for my laptop soon..
[03:21] <StevenK> I quite like the MAG 20" LCD I have at work
[03:21] <ajmitch> the dell 20" LCD at home is nice
[03:27] <LaserJock> I'm just saving my pennies for a new laptop and desktop
[03:28] <LaserJock> if I don't spend anything on "goodies" then maybe I can get a whole new system
[03:28] <ajmitch> heh
[03:28] <ajmitch> I've been tempted to just get a new system as well
[03:29] <ajmitch> but there's no way I can justify it
[03:29] <LaserJock> I haven't bought a new system in 3-4 years
[03:30] <zul> argh it never ends
[03:30] <LaserJock> and I think I've spent <$100 in that time on computer parts
[03:30] <Nafallo> but then again... I could buy them from a friend who has great prices through a company ;-)
[03:30] <TheMuso> I haven't bought a brand new system since jan uary 2004.
[03:30] <TheMuso> january even
[03:30] <LaserJock> you must have gotten a nice one
[03:30] <TheMuso> I have obtained second hand systems, but not new.
[03:30] <TheMuso> LaserJock: It was my notebook.
[03:30] <TheMuso> The year before, I got a P4 desktop.
[03:31] <Nafallo> hmm. last time I bought new was darkelf in 2004 :-)
[03:31] <LaserJock> last desktop I got was 5 years ago at walmart
[03:31] <LaserJock> last (first) laptop was a $800 toshiba 3 years ago
[03:31] <Nafallo> she went up in flames this year :-P
[03:31] <TheMuso> The two boxeS I have obtained second hand are both PoewrPC.
[03:32] <TheMuso> PoewrPC even
[03:32] <TheMuso> damn typing
[03:32] <LaserJock> PowerPC
[03:32] <Nafallo> PPC
[03:32] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:32] <TheMuso> anyways... yeah
[03:33] <Nafallo> oh! last new system I bought was actually MIPS :-)
[03:35] <LaserJock> TheMuso: really?
[03:35] <somerville32> Something is wrong.
[03:35] <LaserJock> like as in AMD or as in non-i386
[03:35] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yes. We are overrun by Intel, so learning about systems that use other CPU types, and have other ways of booting etc is refreshing for me.
[03:35] <TheMuso> Sorry, non-x86.
[03:36] <Nafallo> non-x86* I'd guess :-)
[03:36] <TheMuso> And use something like EFI.
[03:37] <LaserJock> I've got a sparc machine, but I haven't done anything with it because I don't have a Sun keyboard
[03:37] <somerville32> I'm using MoM to merge wifi-radar and there is no diff file for the debian package.
[03:38] <ajmitch> somerville32: you could merge it manually
[03:39] <ajmitch> ah, the days before MoM
[03:39] <somerville32> : O
[03:39] <somerville32> Merge... manually! Such ludicrous!
[03:39] <LaserJock> yes
[03:40] <ajmitch> then again, I still think that MOTUs should be able to package something new & upload it unsupervised
[03:40] <ajmitch> I'm just oldfashioned
[03:40] <LaserJock> I was looking at Gentoo development docs the other day
[03:40] <zul> er why?
[03:40] <LaserJock> and they have a couple "tests"
[03:41] <LaserJock> zul: I was looking for how many devs they have for a LUG presentation I was giving
[03:41] <ajmitch> zul: why what?
[03:41] <zul> LaserJock: those "tests" are really easy to past because the answers have been passed around alot
[03:42] <LaserJock> I imagine
[03:42] <leonel> I give up for now  in java updating  ..
[03:42] <lifeless> ajmitch: I agree; but thats part of the dont sponsor folk that aren't ready; and do object to folk that aren't ready.
[03:43] <leonel> too many ways to patch or make packages and ...  I  couldn't  do it ..
[03:43] <leonel> i give up.
[03:44] <ajmitch> lifeless: I know, it's mostly common sense
[03:44] <AndyP> i got made a fedora maintainer today
[03:44] <LaserJock> interesting
[03:44] <AndyP> but don't hold it against me :)
[03:44] <lifeless> commiserations
[03:45] <LaserJock> I was going to learn to do .rpms from openSUSE
[03:45] <leonel> rpms are easy to do
[03:45] <LaserJock> but then Fedora 7 came out so I thought I'd give it a try
[03:45] <leonel> i'm strugging with debs
[03:45] <LaserJock> I can do debs
[03:45] <LaserJock> I've never done an .rpm
[03:45] <zul> ebuilds are dead easy even my wife can do it.
[03:46] <zul> if she knew how to use linux that is..
[03:46] <zul> anyways
[03:46] <LaserJock> heh
[03:46] <TheMuso> I'd love to get my whole family onto Linux.
[03:47] <LaserJock> well, my wife uses it
[03:47] <AndyP> yeah .rpm is pretty simple but it's just not as documented or readable as deb packaging imho
[03:47] <TheMuso> AndyP: They use spec files or someting don't they?
[03:47] <leonel> andyp ??  there's too much info and too many ways to do a deb  and I can't do a  simple update to sun-java  
[03:48] <leonel> I feel  really  bad  right now .
[03:48] <leonel> all day lost in this \
[03:48] <AndyP> TheMuso: yeah, that's the one
[03:48] <zul> leonel: is that your first deb?
[03:48] <TheMuso> AndyP: How easy are they to master?
[03:48] <leonel> zul  had some  patched  debs    
[03:48] <leonel> zul  before 
[03:49] <zul> if its your first or real deb I would start with something easier
[03:49] <AndyP> TheMuso: it's like debian/control, debian/rules and debian/changelog in one file, not too difficult really... although i can't say i've really mastered the art :)
[03:49] <StevenK> TheMuso: A spec is mostly cat debian/* > spec, with some style changes, and the {post,pre}{inst,rm} having had lobotomies.
[03:50] <leonel> zul  i've patched clamav    I though  I could   update   sun-java  since  there's only binary packages  to replace  
[03:50] <TheMuso> AndyP: Ah ok.
[03:50] <ajmitch> StevenK: it's ugly
[03:50] <leonel> zul  but  clamav  works  one way   sun-java  other way   
[03:50] <ajmitch> one of the few things I like about it is that there's a standard for rpm patches
[03:52] <leonel> ajmitch: and  another good things  is that  you can  put  a package like " clamav "  and  there's no breaking  things  since  there are not  much packages  
[03:53] <TheMuso> AndyP: So what interest do you have in being involved with Fedora and Ubuntu?
[03:54] <leonel> i'm starting to think  I'm not  good  for  this  work 
[03:54] <LaserJock> leonel: don't just give up on it
[03:54] <LaserJock> leonel: did you go through the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[03:55] <StevenK> ajmitch: That too. I hate reading spec files
[03:55] <leonel> LaserJock:  read some  but there's  so much info  that I don't know what  to  apply for  any task 
[03:55] <TheMuso> O/c
[03:55] <TheMuso> ugh
[03:56] <leonel> found some recepies  for  some packages and don't work on other packages  
[03:56] <AndyP> TheMuso: i develop a backup tool called pybackpack, which i'm maintaining in debian (via sponsor) and fedora... that's about as far as my interest in fedora goes but ubuntu is what i use every day and has a more welcoming community so i prefer to make more contributions to it and get more deeply involved with it
[03:56] <TheMuso> AndyP: Right.
[03:56] <leonel> I'm  really  LOST  or ...  Desperated housewife ??  :-P
[03:56] <StevenK> AndyP: Really? You find the community between Fedora and Ubuntu to be quite different?
[03:56] <somerville32> me too
[03:56] <LaserJock> leonel: I'd just go through the Packaging Guide first before trying to apply it to things
[03:57] <Spec> StevenK: well, i like reading spec files. 
[03:57] <LaserJock> lol
[03:58] <AndyP> StevenK: not that different, but ubuntu certainly has the edge in my book
[03:58] <jrib> leonel: take a close look at using cdbs if you can too.  I ignored it when I first started, but it makes things so much easier if it's an easy package
[04:00] <leonel> thanks jrib 
[04:00] <leonel> well  I  leave now 
[04:00] <jrib> leonel: oh an the "hello" package is a nice example to look at too
[04:00] <leonel> before  I quit  doing  this
[04:01] <StevenK> AndyP: I've got my own opinions of the Debian and FreeBSD communities, I was just curious how Fedora compares.
[04:01] <leonel> thanks  jrib
[04:01] <StevenK> Heck, the FreeBSD community is one reason I refuse to run it.
[04:02] <AndyP> StevenK: to be fair, my experience with the fedora community is probably too shallow to compare them properly, but then that's probably the difference i'm describing - ubuntu is easier to get more deeply involved with
[04:04] <StevenK> Yeah, okay, I've noticed that, just based on what I've seen and read.
[04:08] <StevenK> That was one thing that rubbed me the wrong way, prior with Fedora 7. Community involvement with Fedora Core seemed to be ... not much.
[04:13] <AndyP> StevenK: yeah i think i remember people complaining that the community didn't have much say in the direction of development
[04:15] <StevenK> AndyP: *nods* They seem to be getting better, slowly. They aren't even close to how open Ubuntu development is.
[04:16] <ajmitch> and I still think that we can do better
[04:16] <StevenK> ajmitch: Oh?
[04:17] <AndyP> StevenK: yeah, that's my experience lately - soon after i blogged about the differences in getting sponsored in debian and fedora, i got an email from a red hat guy offering to sponsor me and help make the whole sponsorship process easier
[04:17] <AndyP> he was quite cool about it
[04:18] <ajmitch> there's still a number of places where it's pretty much just canonical, though they are trying to get the community involved
[04:18] <LaserJock> well, it seemed to me that Sevilla was a big step backward
[04:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: in what way?
[04:18] <LaserJock> when it comes to community defining direction
[04:18] <AndyP> regarding the bug status change?
[04:19] <LaserJock> no
[04:19] <LaserJock> there was no big call for specs
[04:19] <AndyP> ah
[04:19] <LaserJock> much of the schedule was determined by Canonical beforhand
[04:20] <ajmitch> we're still waiting on new TB nominations :)
[04:21] <jmg> what is sevilla?
[04:21] <ajmitch> a city in the south of spain
[04:21] <AndyP> ubuntu development shindig
[04:22] <jmg> oh
[04:22] <ajmitch> we had the ubuntu developers summit there in early may
[04:23] <lifeless> LaserJock: scheduling is /hard/
[04:23] <LaserJock> of course
[04:23] <lifeless> LaserJock: as in NP-hard
[04:23] <ajmitch> lifeless: please tell me there's an easy way to import from cvs into bzr :)
[04:23] <LaserJock> I'm just saying, it was considerably less community driven than previous UDSs
[04:23] <lifeless> ajmitch: yes
[04:23] <joejaxx> ajmitch: :P
[04:23] <ajmitch> otherwise I'll have to register a project on launchpad & wait for the import
[04:25] <lifeless> ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/bzr-cvsps-import
[04:25] <lifeless> ajmitch: if you want incremental tracking, register it on launchpad
[04:25] <lifeless> ajmitch: if you want one-shot conversion, use bzr-cvsps-import
[04:26] <ajmitch> right, there are just about 20 cvs modules in this repository, so it'd be annoying to register each
[04:26] <ajmitch> I'll probably register the ones I care about
[04:39] <RAOF> I'd just like to check that bug #121476 has all the right stuff (status, subscribers, etc) to get looked at when someone's feeling in a sponsoring mood.
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121476 in mplayer "Use Compiz' "video" plugin when available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121476
[04:40] <RAOF> I'm not familiar with the packaging-in-bzr workflow :)
[04:44] <mshima> some motu could take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5239?
[04:45] <TheMuso> RAOF: Neither am I
[04:46] <RAOF> mshima: I'm not a MOTU, but I'll have a cursory glance.
[04:46] <mshima> RAOF: thanks
[04:48] <RAOF> mshima: Ok, my cursory glance says: you *might* want to tighten your debhelper build-depends and version your cdbs build-depend.
[04:48] <RAOF> mshima: And I'm pretty sure you don't want "debian/changelog2" in there :)
[04:49] <mshima> your are right
[04:49] <jmg> la
[04:50] <RAOF> mshima: Also, you've rewritten debian/rules to use CDBS?  Does Debian use raw debhelper?
[04:50] <StevenK> RAOF: Redundant changelogs! I like it. :-P
[04:50] <RAOF> Pretty good, eh :)
[04:51] <joejaxx> somerville32: why?
[04:51] <somerville32> debdiff is failing
[04:51] <joejaxx> :\
[04:52] <mshima> RAOF: yes debian uses debhelper
[04:53] <RAOF> mshima: Is there some awesomely good reason why you re-wrote the rules in CDBS?  Because we generally try to minimize divergence from debian, and unless you get that change into the Debian package, it's huge.
[04:54] <mshima> RAOF: I'm doing this with another guy and his is trying to get this package into debian.
[04:55] <RAOF> mshima: I hope that "other guy" is the debian maintainer :)
[04:55] <mshima> RAOF: The debian maintainer is blocked his email is not accepting mails.
[04:55] <RAOF> :(
[04:56] <somerville32> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26694/
[04:56] <mshima> RAOF: He is doing this by an sponsor
[04:56] <nixternal> were there any network updates recently for gutsy? my gutsy box seems to drop dns repeatedly now
[04:56] <ajmitch> nixternal: network mangler?
[04:56] <mshima> RAOF: no way to contact the maintainer.
[04:56] <nixternal> was that updated today?
[04:56] <RAOF> mshima: Ok.  And the sponsor is OK with rewritting debian/rules entirely?  I just think that it might be easier to get in if you don't completely change the packaging :)
[04:57] <ajmitch> mshima: his debian.org address isn't working?
[04:57] <mshima> no
[04:57] <somerville32> joejaxx: ^^
[04:58] <mshima> RAOF: Don't know
[04:58] <ajmitch> mshima: tried voc@synce.org?
[04:58] <RAOF> mshima: Then I'd *strongly* suggest that you change the packaging as little as possible.
[04:59] <RAOF> mshima: Why did you rewrite debain/rules?  Much as I love cdbs, raw debhelper isn't *that* bad :)
[04:59] <somerville32> Can someone help me understand whats wrong with debdiff? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26694/
[05:00] <ajmitch> somerville32: what's broken?
[05:00] <somerville32> see bottom
[05:00] <somerville32> It stops and I don't get a full diff
[05:00] <ajmitch> aha
[05:00] <ajmitch> interesting
[05:00] <nixternal> argh this is really annoying
[05:01] <joejaxx> i wonder why that is happening
[05:03] <npodges> what's the best way to set up a standard gnu build environment when setting up a project?
[05:04] <mshima> RAOF: no way to get in the it is now?
[05:05] <RAOF> mshima: I'm not the one who'd be deciding that.  However, I'd be amazed if the MOTU reviewer wasn't uncomfortable with entirely changing the debian packaging.
[05:07] <RAOF> mshima: And again, why did you rewrite it?  The existing packaging should have needed mimimal changes.
[05:08] <mshima> RAOF: I will wait for it to get into debian. Jonny is who rewrite the new package and he is from the synce team, so is the debian maintainer
[05:08] <mshima> I don't know why he did it
[05:09] <RAOF> Yeah, you might as well wait for Debian.  It'll be syncable for a long time yet :)
[05:09] <mshima> But vdccm (synce program) has a lot of packaging bugs
[05:09] <RAOF> Anyway, I'm off to lunch!
[05:10] <nixternal> ajmitch: it looks like it is either network mangler or dhcpd
[05:30] <_MMA_> Sorry. OT. I needed to share. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY
[05:45] <nixternal> haha, the sarcastic gamer rocks
[05:46] <nixternal> so take that apple!
[06:27] <ScottK> nixternal: So you meant StevenK when you said ScottK in your application e-mail?  I may have to reconsider my response...
[06:30] <nixternal> nope
[06:30] <nixternal> I should have added StevenK as well :)
[06:30] <nixternal> you have done a majority of the sponsoring recently
[06:30] <ScottK> nixternal: Nice dodging and weaving.
[06:30] <nixternal> haha
[06:30] <ScottK> ;-)
[06:30] <ajmitch> he still hasn't convinced me
[06:32] <nixternal> ajmitch: I said I would buy you lunch, that is what you asked for
[06:33] <ajmitch> and I went hungry today
[06:33] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[06:33] <nixternal> sorry man, but that is ScottK's fault I think
[06:33] <ajmitch> finger-pointing
[06:33] <ScottK> More avoidance.
[06:33] <nixternal> depends on the finger, but ya you are right
[06:34] <nixternal> nevah!
[06:34] <ScottK> As I said, dodging and weaving.
[06:34] <Toadstool> hmm bribing with food, nice :)
[06:34] <ajmitch> ScottK: very scary?
[06:35] <nixternal> ajmitch: I know when an upload/package is trivial and non-deadly, and when I don't I know where to get the answers. I have been around here for close to 2 years now, I am not going anywhere (unless of course MS shoves their nose into our business)
[06:35] <ScottK> ajmitch: He's merged courier.  That has to count for something.
[06:35] <nixternal> I have a decent grasp of what goes on, and when I don't I ask questions...
[06:35] <ajmitch> only 2 years? didn't you read that this position requires 5+ years ubuntu experience
[06:35] <nixternal> courier was easy
[06:35] <jmg> which position is this?
[06:35] <jmg> core-dev?
[06:35] <nixternal> ajmitch: and I have a DD sig on my key, just for this damn occassion!
[06:36] <StevenK> Just -dev
[06:36] <jmg> nixternal: you are DD?
[06:36] <nixternal> one of these days, taking small steps right now
[06:36] <ScottK> nixternal: Careful.  How many debdiffs did you have to upload for courier?
[06:36] <jmg> heh
[06:36] <nixternal> hey, that was the stupid po issue, which I got with scipy as well
[06:36] <nixternal> I know to check those debdiffs and remove the cruff
[06:36] <ajmitch> become a DD & be special like StevenK 
[06:36] <ScottK> Now, yes.
[06:37] <nixternal> ajmitch: I plan on it
[06:37] <jmg> ajmitch: isnt it easier to return the ring to mount doom than it is to be a DD?
[06:37] <nixternal> I am working with the KDE Extras team now, and they even gave me some SVN access, that has to account for a "his danger level is lower than normal"
[06:37] <nixternal> jmg: yes!
[06:37] <StevenK> I don't think so, but that's just me.
[06:37] <nixternal> hell, that might be even easier then just becoming a NM
[06:38] <jmg> Commander: nixternal
[06:38] <jmg> Elite Rating: Harmless
[06:38] <jmg> :)
[06:38] <nixternal> haha
[06:38] <nixternal> Pee-on: nixternal
[06:38] <nixternal> peon
[06:38] <StevenK> Surely, Mostly Harmless ?
[06:38] <nixternal> damn, I spelled that one wrong
[06:38] <zakame> hi all
[06:38] <nixternal> howdy zakame 
[06:38] <jmg> StevenK: you have to get a kill for that.
[06:38] <zakame> ssup?
[06:39] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[06:39] <zakame> hello nixternal
[06:39] <nixternal> ajmitch: I also have KDE svn access, so I am known not to commit/submit stuff that would cause world war 3
[06:40] <ajmitch> you work on KDE
[06:40] <ajmitch> enough said
[06:40] <nixternal> I am learning python (thanks to ScottK for slinging me a python issue yesterday), C/C++ and some Qt love, bash, and
[06:40] <nixternal> gah, I will switch to Gnome?
[06:40] <nixternal> ;p
[06:40] <ajmitch> vista!
[06:40] <zakame> heh
[06:40] <nixternal> or Hobbsee for that matter
[06:41] <nixternal> brb, gotta secure the fortress before the storms arrive
[06:42] <zakame> hmm what's the average time to wait before syncs are acted upon?
[06:42] <StevenK> A day or so?
[06:42] <ajmitch> when archive admins feel like working on them
[06:42] <zakame> ah.
[06:42] <ScottK> Friday is traditionally a good day for archive admining to happen.  
[06:43] <StevenK> I asked for a sync yesterday and pitti discovered sync-source was broken, so people are probably going to have to wait until it's fixed.
[06:44] <zakame> good
[06:45] <zakame> bluekuja told me he made a syncreq for opendchub, so there...
[07:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121675 in kwirelessmonitor "Please sync kwirelessmonitor (0.5.91-2.1) from Debian Unstable(main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121675
[07:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121640 in ksensors "Please merge Ksensors (0.7.3-14) from Debian(main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121640
[07:28] <StevenK> Hum? Didn't we sort out ksensors to be sync'd?
[07:30] <nixternal> StevenK: doesn't look like it was fixed with Debian
[07:30] <nixternal> -       section="Apps/System" \
[07:30] <nixternal> +       section="Apps/Tools" \
[07:32] <nixternal> plus the whole dh_iconcache thing...which if memory serves me correctly is a Gnome thing right?
[07:32] <StevenK> Oh that's right, it was krename you took over.
[07:32] <nixternal> ya
[07:32] <nixternal> that I got syncing
[07:33] <StevenK> dh_iconcache is not really a Gnome-ism, it looks to deal with both
[07:33] <nixternal> and it will stay that way, as well as KPlayer, soon to be libhttp (which is being renamed and tweaked upstream), and then the wonderful Plucker (unless the DD doesn't want to listen)
[07:33] <nixternal> I thought it was for GTK
[07:37] <StevenK> KDE puts icons under /usr/share/icons too
[07:43] <jussi01> good morning all!
[07:44] <RAOF> Afternoon, no-longer-au jussi01 :)
[07:46] <jussi01> RAOF: :D hehe
[07:47] <jussi01> hows the weather RAOF?
[07:47] <jussi01> :P
[07:47] <StevenK> It's bright, sunny and cold here
[07:48] <RAOF> Yup.
[07:48] <RAOF> A nice change of pace from dark, overcast, soaking wet and cold :)
[07:49] <StevenK> Heh, yes. :-)
[07:50] <jussi01> hehe... we have 20+ and bright sunny :D
[07:50] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:54] <TheMuso> Hey jussi01.
[07:54] <TheMuso> Where are you now?
[07:54] <TheMuso> Back home?
[07:54] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[07:54] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso 
[07:55] <jussi01> hi TheMuso im in finland, but right now im at the inlaws...
[07:55] <TheMuso> Right.
[08:00] <StevenK> MoM is overly optimistic
[08:01] <AndyP> heh
[08:01] <StevenK> Ah, that's it. MoM's in Spinal Tap mode.
[08:02] <ajmitch> jussi01: I hate you
[08:02] <jussi01> ajmitch: what did I do now? :(
[08:02] <ajmitch> 17:50 < jussi01> hehe... we have 20+ and bright sunny :D
[08:02] <jussi01> oh...:P
[08:03] <ajmitch> thanks
[08:03] <ajmitch> it's sort of snowing here
[08:03] <jussi01> lol
[08:03] <StevenK> Sort of, you say?
[08:03] <jussi01> ajmitch: where exactly are you?
[08:05] <ajmitch> jussi01: dunedin
[08:05] <ajmitch> StevenK: snow, rain, sleet
[08:05] <nixternal> bug 121682 can use a sync
[08:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121682 in strigiapplet "Please synce strigiapplet (0.5.1-2) from Debian Unstable(main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121682
[08:06] <StevenK> ajmitch: Yummy
[08:06] <ajmitch> quite
[08:06] <jussi01> ajmitch: how are the sheep doing? :P
[08:07] <ajmitch> wow, a sheep joke. I've never heard one of them
[08:07] <Hobbsee> jussi01: they're taking over, again
[08:07] <StevenK> jussi01: That's baaaa-ad
[08:08] <AndyP> ajmitch: i feel your pain, us welsh people get sheep jokes too
[08:09] <jussi01> lol
[08:09] <man-di> AndyP: sheep jokes are much better then the fish jokes here
[08:09] <AndyP> man-di: fish jokes? where are you?
[08:09] <man-di> AndyP: northern germany
[08:10] <man-di> AndyP: and the southern guys call us fish heads
[08:10] <AndyP> ah i see, tsk
[08:23] <RAOF> Again, I'd just like to check that bug #121476 has all the right stuff (status, subscribers, etc) to get looked at when someone's feeling in a sponsoring mood.  I think two pings in 5 hours isn't too excessive :)
[08:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121476 in mplayer "Use Compiz' "video" plugin when available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121476
[08:26] <jussi01> see you everyone, ajmitch: http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?Keywords=&kunta=Tampere
[08:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:42] <ajmitch> hi dholbach 
[08:42] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:49] <TheMuso> hey dholbach.,
[08:49] <dholbach> hey TheMuso
[08:49] <TheMuso> dholbach: Didn't know a newer version of nome-speech was available, so I have updated the bug
[08:49] <dholbach> alright - super
[09:16] <TheMuso> c
[09:16] <TheMuso> ugh
[09:17] <Fujitsu> siretart: mplayer is maintained in bzr, as I noted in bug #110151 which you recently uploaded a patch from.
[09:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110151 in mplayer "mplayer not compiled with nas audio support" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110151
[09:24] <RAOF> Bah, that'll make my bzr branch no longer merge cleanly.
[09:25] <RAOF> TheMuso: You like 'c', don't you :)
[09:26] <RAOF> Hm.  For packages in bzr, particularly mplayer, should a branch contain a new changelog?  That's something that's going be quite easily broken by other commits.
[10:32] <effraie> @schedule Paris
[10:32] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 21:00: Technical Board
[10:42] <siretart> Fujitsu: oh, I'm sorry, I'll commit the patch in a sec. thanks for notifying me about this
[10:46] <mok0> !bot
[10:46] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:50] <siretart> Fujitsu: we really should integrate bzr into apt. like in perhaps spitting a warning message 'I: use bzr checkout $url to checkout the source branch' or something
[10:53] <siretart> Fujitsu: committed
[10:53] <dholbach> siretart: apt-get source tells you about XS-Vcs-* now
[10:54] <siretart> dholbach: oh?
[10:54] <dholbach> try    apt-get source devscripts
[10:54] <siretart> dholbach: since when?
[10:55] <dholbach> last upload I guess
[10:55] <siretart> maybe my chroot is out of date.. updating
[10:57] <siretart> indeed, I still had an outdated apt in my chroot. retrying
[10:58] <siretart> WARNING: 'devscripts' is maintained in the 'Browser' version control system at:
[10:58] <siretart> don't we manage devscripts in bzr on launchpad?
[10:59] <siretart> but anyway. great to know! 
[10:59] <qball> grrr scanner is still broken in gutsy
[11:00] <siretart> fix it! :)
[11:00] <qball> it's a problem with the usb suspens function or something like that
[11:00] <qball> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/85488
[11:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85488 in sane-backends "some usb_devices fault if usb_suspend enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[11:19] <highvoltage> dholbach: guten morgen
[11:19] <highvoltage> dholbach: do you think we should add an entry in the csv file for the last reception ping as well?
[11:20] <dholbach> highvoltage: I thought that's what we'd use the date column for
[11:20] <highvoltage> dholbach: aaah, I thought that was for last communication between the mentor and contributor
[11:21] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok, I'll update accordingly then
[11:21] <dholbach> highvoltage: you rock - thanks a lot - I replied to your mail aalready
[11:21] <dholbach> highvoltage: I'll ask on the list for a new receptionist, so it'll be easier for us to follow up in the coming months
[11:21] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok
[11:22] <dholbach> hehe
[11:26] <dholbach> done
[11:33] <geser> man-di: have you an example (except faad2)?
[11:34] <man-di> geser: jmp
[11:37] <geser> jmp till 0.42-2 was in contrib and since 0.47-1 in main
[11:37] <geser> nobody noticed this move and requested to move jmp from multiverse to universe
[11:38] <man-di> aah
[11:38] <man-di> that explains
[11:38] <man-di> geser: thx
[11:38] <man-di> I will wille file a move request bug
[11:39] <man-di> geser: is this for ubuntu-archive?
[11:39] <geser> yes
[11:39] <man-di> thx
[11:40] <TheMuso> highvoltage: Just got your email, will reply shortly.
[11:40] <highvoltage> TheMuso: ok, thank you
[11:46] <TheMuso> highvoltage: Just replied.
[11:51] <highvoltage> TheMuso: thanks!
[11:51] <TheMuso> highvoltage: np
[01:06] <TheMuso> Why has MoM flagged a package as one to be merged if it has build1 in its version number for the previous version of Ubuntu? I thought such packages were automatically synced.
[01:10] <LucidFox> What version number should I use for version 1.0RC1? 1.0~rc1 or 0.99+1.0rc1?
[01:10] <minghua> TheMuso: I believe they are.  Should just be a bug of MoM.
[01:10] <minghua> LucidFox: 1.0~rc1 is better if there isn't really a "0.99" release
[01:11] <LucidFox> ok
[01:11] <LucidFox> and after 1.0 release comes out?
[01:11] <TheMuso> minghua: um ok
[01:11] <kiko> hey there
[01:11] <LucidFox> is it to be marked just 1.0?
[01:11] <kiko> does anyone know the syntax for filing bugs with tags preset?
[01:11] <zakame> good evening
[01:11] <LucidFox> kiko> file a bug, then add the tags
[01:11] <kiko> I think there's a URL shortcut
[01:11] <LucidFox> or
[01:12] <LucidFox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?field.tag=yourtag
[01:12] <kiko> yep
[01:12] <kiko> thanks!
[01:24] <LucidFox> what does "otherosfs" mean?
[01:31] <AndyP> LucidFox: "Software to run programs compiled for other operating system, and to use their filesystems." according to packages.u.c
[01:41] <LucidFox> hm
[01:42] <LucidFox> not sure how dvdauthor qualifies as "otherosfs"...
[01:44] <LucidFox> What to do if SourceForge claims the license as "BSD license", but the source tarball has no COPYING file and no copyright notices? Get upstream to add them?
[01:45] <azeem> LucidFox: yeah, I think
[01:45] <zakame> LucidFox: yes
[01:45] <azeem> I wouldn't rely on sourceforge information there
[01:46] <LucidFox> Is a copyright notice needed for every source file?
[01:47] <azeem> a top-level one would be sufficient I think, but having license boilerplate and a copyright notice in every file is good pratcise
[01:47] <azeem> practise*
[01:47] <LucidFox> ok
[01:48] <LucidFox> and it's "practice" ^_^
[01:48] <LucidFox> practise is a verb
[01:49] <zakame> $motu_hopeful->practice();
[01:50] <LucidFox> well, practice can also be a verb, but practise cannot be a noun
[01:53] <lzap> Hello, what can I do if I want to inform the package maintainer about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/112799 (vmware-server installs netkit-inetd and removes xinetd)
[01:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112799 in xinetd "vmware-server installs netkit-inetd and removes xinetd" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[01:53] <lzap> its in the Ubuntu Commerical repository
[01:54] <lzap> and the packager is vmware-builds@vmware.com (from the DEB file)
[02:11] <LucidFox> Can Launchpad track bug dependencies?
[02:13] <TheMuso> Ok. U-u-s queue is clear for now. I'm off to bed.
[02:13] <LucidFox> U-u-s queue?
[02:14] <coNP> ubuntu-universe-sponsors I guess
[02:14] <LucidFox> ah
[02:14] <DktrKranz> LucidFox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/
[02:15] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:16] <pochu> Hello DarkSun88 
[02:16] <DarkSun88> Hi pochu :)
[02:17] <coNP> hey pochu 
[02:21] <LucidFox> Why is the NetBeans package just an installer?
[02:22] <LucidFox> Unlike Eclipse?
[02:22] <pochu> heya coNP!
[02:22] <AndyP> LucidFox: license issues i think
[02:28] <xxxxx1> good morning all! :)
[02:28] <geser> !info netbeans5.5 gutsy
[02:29] <ubotu> netbeans5.5: NetBeans IDE for development of applications in Java. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 5.5.1-1 (gutsy), package size 67450 kB, installed size 143624 kB
[02:29] <geser> LucidFox: I haven't tested the netbeans5.5 package but it's rather large to be only an installer
[02:36] <LucidFox> ah, yee
[02:36] <LucidFox> it was an installer in Feisty
[02:36] <LucidFox> apparently they changed it to a proper package in Gutsy
[02:37] <jerome_> hello all
[02:37] <jerome_> could someone have a look at bug #117840 ?
[02:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117840 in soya "Wishlist: Update python-soya package" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117840
[02:38] <jerome_> it causes a crash at start up in two games of the repos
[02:38] <jerome_> and is still here in Gutsy
[02:40] <coNP> jerome_: do you want to prepare a package update?
[02:40] <jerome_> well my knowledge in packaging is very small
[02:41] <jerome_> but if someone helps me why not
[02:41] <coNP> jerome_: this recipe is *perfect*: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate
[02:41] <bashelie1> ^^
[02:41] <jerome_> i will have a look
[02:41] <bashelie1> jerome_: when done, put it on revu ;)
[02:41] <jerome_> ok
[02:41] <coNP> I guess if you get stuck just ask and we'll try to help
[02:42] <jerome_> thx
[02:43] <jerome_> mmmm
[02:43] <jerome_> first two questions :)
[02:43] <jerome_> do I have to contact the maintener of the package ?
[02:44] <jerome_> and
[02:44] <coNP> jerome_: no, in fact you should update package maintainer based on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[02:44] <StevenK> man-di: Weren't you planning on uploading new versions of sear, cyphesis-cpp and eris to Debian?
[02:44] <man-di> StevenK: yeah
[02:44] <StevenK> man-di: And then what happened? :-)
[02:44] <jerome_> coNP : so I would be the new package maintener ?
[02:44] <man-di> StevenK: but birth of my son broke down my whole roadmap
[02:45] <coNP> no, Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[02:45] <StevenK> man-di: Ah ha. Understandably. :-)
[02:45] <man-di> StevenK: sorry
[02:45] <man-di> I will try to do it tonite or at least tomorrow
[02:45] <StevenK> man-di: Great, thanks.
[03:20] <jerome_> coNp : sorry I hadn't seen your answer :)
[03:20] <jerome_> ok perfect
[03:21] <jerome_> and if I'm running feisty I can prepair the updated package for gutsy and then request a backport?
[03:23] <persia> jerome_: Yes.  That is the preferred method.
[03:23] <jerome_> persia : ok thank you
[03:44] <slytherin> Can anyone having good experience with docbook help with a query?
[03:57] <EtienneG> hey guys
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hiya EtienneG 
[03:58] <EtienneG> To sync a package from Debian, do we stil just have to file a bug in LP and subscribe archive-admin ?
[03:58] <EtienneG> (hello Hobbsee)
[03:58] <StevenK> EtienneG: Yes
[03:59] <Hobbsee> EtienneG: ubuntu-archive
[03:59] <EtienneG> great, thx
[03:59] <Hobbsee> but yes
[03:59] <Hobbsee> EtienneG: there's a requestsync script in devscripts, btw
[03:59] <EtienneG> I will check
[03:59] <EtienneG> automation for the win
[04:00] <persia> EtienneG: Be sure to check even the closed bugs for the package before running the script: rejections are hidden by default.
[04:01] <EtienneG> persia, I'll do that
[04:01] <EtienneG> I cannot find the scripts in question from devscripts
[04:02] <EtienneG> but I do not mind filing a short bug
[04:02] <EtienneG> by hand
[04:02] <EtienneG> sorry, got it: requestsync (*slap head*)
[04:02] <StevenK> EtienneG: To use it, you'll need a deb-src line for gutsy
[04:03] <EtienneG> I am not running gutsy, but I will add one
[04:09] <EtienneG> I really need to dig into devscripts, that requestsync script is awesome
[04:09] <EtienneG> it cannot get any easier
[04:10] <StevenK> EtienneG: Agreed. :-)
[04:12] <persia> xxxxx1: About cfengine2: is this actually committed somewhere, or does it need an upload?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> siretart: if your around, is there a way to sign package using bzr bd --merge?
[04:20] <xxxxx1> persia: this debdiff is for feisty version only. i'm checking the gutsy now.
[04:21] <xxxxx1> persia: looks not fixed yet in gutsy upstream too.
[04:22] <persia> xxxxx1: I'd recommend leaving an SRU candidate "In-Progress" while preparing an upload to Gutsy, as it7s very rare that something is to be fixed in a release without the fix having previously been applied to the current development version.
[04:24] <persia> xxxxx1: Separately, I'm not sure that this meets the criteria for a Stable Release Update (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU).
[04:24] <persia> dholbach: Thanks for the poke on the wiki review - I'll try to get the rest of the pending comments in soon.
[04:24] <dholbach> persia: take your time :-)
[04:25] <dholbach> persia: I wasn't poking you :)
[04:26] <xxxxx1> persia: well, it could be fixed on feisty. btw, i'm working on gutsy version
[04:27] <xxxxx1> persia: i've put "in-progress" again
[04:27] <mok0> I have six packages sitting in REVU, revised and waiting for another round of reviewing. If someone needs something to do during the weekend ;-)
[04:27] <persia> xxxxx1: Should it be fixed in feisty?  If so, why?
[04:27] <persia> mok0: I'd recommend posting at least one URL to go with your announcement (and I'll take one).
[04:28] <xxxxx1> persia: or not
[04:28] <xxxxx1> rsss
[04:28] <mok0> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5664
[04:28] <mok0> That's the most complicated package
[04:28] <xxxxx1> i don't know how sru team thinks about this
[04:28] <mok0> with daemons and what not
[04:29] <persia> mok0: I remember this one :)  I'd be happy to take another look.
[04:29] <xxxxx1> persia: btw, it's not a critical bug or something like that.
[04:29] <mok0> persia: great
[04:29] <mok0> persia: we've been using wulfware for years, it's really very handy
[04:31] <persia> xxxxx1: If you think it meets the criteria for an SRU, it would be good to update.  If you think it doesn't, it can be missed.  The MOTU SRU team is fairly busy, and so appreciates all the help it can get from others reviewing the bugs.
[04:37] <xxxxx1> persia: would be good to have, but i need more opinions if is really needed or just fix in gutsy for now.
[04:38] <persia> xxxxx1: I'm not sure what depends on proper distribution detection, but if it is a security issue, causes data loss, or is a regression to a previous version, it should be updated.  If not, it should not be updated.
[04:39] <xxxxx1> persia: i agree
[04:40] <xxxxx1> persia: whatever, the debdiff for feisty is commited :) i'll finish the debdiff for gutsy now.
[04:40] <xxxxx1> hmm, my english is poor
[04:40] <xxxxx1> s/whatever/anyway/g
[04:40] <xxxxx1> :)
[04:42] <persia> xxxxx1: Ah.  That makes more sense.  Also, while the debdiff for feisty has been uploaded to LP, an upload to feisty-proposed is usually considered the criteria for "Fix Committed".  At this point, I think the possible feisty task is still "In Progress", as someone needs to research whether this is a critical issue.
[04:43] <xxxxx1> yep
[04:46] <Amaranth> So, does Incomplete replace Need Info?
[04:46] <Amaranth> in launchpad
[04:46] <persia> Amaranth: yes.
[04:47] <Amaranth> i would think you'd start with Needs Info and change to Incomplete (which would mark the bug as closed) after some time
[04:47] <coNP> that is Invalid now, I guess
[04:48] <coNP> or maybe Won't fix
[04:48] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody!
[04:55] <siretart> gnomefreak: just use 'debsign' to sign  your newly created source package
[04:55] <gnomefreak> k
[04:55] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:03] <gnomefreak> siretart: while using feisty chroot i use command bzr bd --working --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -kKEYID' i get http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/583819
[05:04] <gnomefreak> in theory that should work from what --help says
[05:05] <siretart> gnomefreak: wow. 
[05:05] <siretart> gnomefreak: I'm not sure if this is a problem in bzr or bzr-builddeb, but I remember that I talked to james_w about it and it got fixed shortly afterwards
[05:05] <siretart> gnomefreak: could you please retry with the bzr, bzrtools and bzr-builddeb packages from gutsy?
[05:06] <gnomefreak> siretart: builds fine in gutsy
[05:06] <siretart> gnomefreak: you should be able to just install the gutsy binary packages in feisty
[05:07] <gnomefreak> seeing if i missed an update or 3 in chroot
[05:08] <gnomefreak> siretart: wait no gutsys broke a while back bzr-buildd got removed with bzr update
[05:08] <gnomefreak> i havent tried it since im waiting to hear if it got fixed
[05:08] <siretart> gnomefreak: yes, you need new version of all bzr, bzrtools and bzr-builddeb
[05:08] <gnomefreak> k
[05:23] <gnomefreak> siretart: it seems --working is what was causing the traceback. if i commit change than use --merge inplace of --working it works (atleast so far)
[05:24] <gnomefreak> installing the binaries on feisty wants gutsys libc6 because of python depends, i may build them so i have  a personall backported version of the 3
[05:24] <siretart> gnomefreak: do you happen to have a symlink debian -> . in the tree?
[05:24] <siretart> gnomefreak: if yes, that bug has been fixed yesterday ;)
[05:25] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:25] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:25] <siretart> you do?
[05:25] <gnomefreak> i dont think so but i dont see why one cant be made
[05:26] <siretart> if you still have problems, please show me (or even better james_w on #bzr) a backtrace, and we'll look at the code
[05:26] <gnomefreak> siretart: ok ty ill look at it as soon as im done with ff
[05:27] <leonel> hello everyone !  
[05:34] <ScottK> Hello leonel.
[05:34] <leonel> ScottK:  HEA ! 
[05:34] <leonel> ScottK: good  morning !
[05:35] <ScottK> leonel: Don't give up (I read the scrollback from last night) - No one knows all this stuff.  You are doing very well and it'll come in time.
[05:36] <leonel> ScottK: thanks   it was  a  moment  after  hitting  the wall with that    
[05:36] <ScottK> leonel: OK.  Don't scare me like that again.  You are doing good, just don't make the 2nd mountain you climb in your life Mt. Everest.
[05:37] <leonel> ScottK: that's why I stopped yesterday     and turn  to another things  and  today  I'll resume  that  sun-java  update ..
[05:37] <ScottK> leonel: Or maybe try something easier....
[05:37] <leonel> ScottK: thanks  ..  One step at the time ..
[05:37] <ScottK> leonel:  Up to you o f course
[05:37] <leonel> ScottK: I believed  that   updating  sun-java was easy  since  there's  only 2  binary files to replace    
[05:38] <ScottK> leonel: OK.  You might even be right.  I haven't looked.  I avoid Java as much as possible, personally.
[05:39] <leonel> ScottK: I like  java but I didn't used because   it was  not 100% free  now  waiting  for the openjdk  and see how it gets 
[05:40] <leonel> ScottK: now I work in python  and  taking again  java 
[05:41] <ScottK> leonel: Python is enough for me.  I have enough trouble with just one programming language to deal with.  Then people through Perl stuff at me, I read it, and my brain hurts.
[05:41] <leonel> jejeje
[05:41] <leonel> Perl is a  write  only  languaje  :-P
[05:41] <leonel> you can't read it  after 
[05:42] <ScottK> leonel: I'm told it's possible to write readble Perl, just not typical.
[05:43] <leonel> :)
[05:43] <leonel> I've worked for  8 months with perl before python  and  I don't think  I'll use perl again 
[05:45] <Q-FUNK> ruby.
[05:52] <ScottK> leonel: On another project I work on I was on the receiving end of, "Oh, you know Postfix, then you need to be the maintainer for this ..." and it was a policy server in Perl.
[05:54] <leonel> plop
[05:55] <ScottK> leonel: Well actually it wasn't so bad.  The new library I had to integrate was VERY well document with code samples and everything and I did have people who actually knew Perl that I could pick on when I had problems.
[05:58] <leonel> It's great to have  someone to ask  when you need  it  .. like  I have  this MOTU channel  :)
[06:04] <AndyP> it ftbfs because Makefile.global isn't available to use with the initial "make clean", and you need to run the configure script in order to generate Makefile.global, which makes everything far less than clean :/
[06:19] <RainCT> Adri2000: hi
[06:30] <Adri2000> hi RainCT
[06:31] <RainCT> Adri2000: do you want to do gfax's merge?
[06:33] <Adri2000> RainCT: no, I just want it to be done :) btw, what change do we need to keep? can't we sync?
[06:33] <RainCT> Adri2000: I think yes
[06:34] <RainCT> Adri2000: the only difference I see are that *.gmo files but you said they come from the source..
[06:37] <RainCT> Adri2000: yes, there's nothing about them in Ubuntu's diff... why does M-o-M complain about them then?
[06:37] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[06:41] <Adri2000> RainCT: I don't know... that's MoM
[06:41] <Adri2000> RainCT: file a sync request, and subscribe u-u-s
[06:43] <RainCT> okay
[06:49] <RainCT> Adri2000: done, I edited the existing bug #120245
[06:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120245 in gfax "[gfax]  Sync Debian's 0.7.6-3" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120245
[08:26] <talex> Hi. I'm looking for someone to review my package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5670 It's just a new upstream release; shouldn't be any problems.
[08:29] <ScottK> talex: Looking at the diff, it appears a bunch of debian/copyright got removed.  That's not going to work.
[08:31] <talex> ScottK: The old version had two licenses: GPL for some files and LGPL for others. It was fixed in upstream, so the second one was removed.
[08:32] <ScottK> OK.  Dangers of just looking at the diff I guess.
[08:33] <talex> Good to be thorough :-) There's a comment at the start of the bit that was removed noting that it was only there by mistake.
[08:33] <ScottK> Right.
[08:34] <ScottK> I did note (for your upstream) that in many places they change copyright 2006 to copyright 2007 when they should have changed it to copyright 2006 - 2007.
[08:38] <talex> I'll investigate. It may be a regional thing; we get told not to use ranges at work, though I don't remember why.
[09:10] <jekil> how i must write debian/rules of a software that must be installed like that : http://rafb.net/p/u48nQY79.html
[09:11] <lamego_> jekil, you just need dh_install and dh_links for that 
[09:12] <lamego_> assuming the "files to be copied" are already binaries/whatever
[09:12] <jekil> lamego_: and where i must install it?
[09:12] <jekil> /usr/share/appname?
[09:12] <lamego_> yes, thats the default for an app, unless it is a game
[09:13] <jekil> lamego_: thanks :)
[09:27] <nixternal> ScottK: you around at all?
[09:30] <tsmithe> could i get (a) review(s) for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5695 please? (usplash-theme-ubuntustudio)
[09:31] <tsmithe> i think i've fixed all persia's issues
[09:33] <nixternal> you can never fix all of persia's issues
[09:34] <nixternal> he can find every little nook-and-cranny possible with a package
[09:40] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes.
[09:40] <nixternal> umm, I was just going to ask what all tools you use to really review a package...possibly besides the ones in the DD manuals
[09:42] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm probably not the best person to ask.  I'm still working through that question myself.
[09:42] <nixternal> I found a whole slew of tools, but one of my Debian packages is taking a pixmap hit, and when I review it, I don't see the problem that is being noted...even after running the same command as the sponsor
[09:43] <ScottK> Odd.  I don't know a bit about that.  Ask persia.  He knows all the tricks.
[09:44] <ScottK> nixternal: You might consider trying in a Sid chroot and see if you can replicate their problem if you haven't already.
[09:44] <nixternal> ya, been there done that
[09:47] <tsmithe> nixternal, well, i fixed all the issues he left in the revu comment ;)
[09:48] <nixternal> hehe...hurry and get it sponsored before he comes back ;p
[09:48] <tsmithe> i'm trying!
[09:48] <tsmithe> ScottK, sponsor me! :D
[09:51] <ScottK> tsmithe: What did you change to correct his "The source tree appears dirty: consider running make clean prior to building the package." comment?
[09:51] <ScottK> tsmithe: Same question for "linda fails checking the binary package due to an unterminated string."?
[09:51] <ScottK> tsmithe: Did you run linda against the new binary package?
[09:52] <tsmithe> well, i ran `debian/rules clean` and `make clean`, checked the tree and it appeared clean. i ran linda against the package and it gave me no output, so i assumed it was happy, and uploaded
[09:53] <ScottK> OK.  
[09:53] <tsmithe> did i miss anything? :)
[09:53] <ScottK> Did you run linda against source or binary (.deb)?
[09:53] <tsmithe> binary, and source
[09:54] <ScottK> OK
[10:02] <ScottK> tsmithe: It looks to me like you've got reasonable responses to his comments in the package.  I don't have time to give it a full review right now though.  Sorry.
[10:03] <tsmithe> ScottK, heh no worries :)
[10:08] <nixternal> tsmithe: one thing I noticed, is you need to add yourself either as an Uploader or XSBC-Original-Maintainer. Of course this depends on the Ubuntu policy for that.
[10:10] <tsmithe> well, i didn't want to be the Original-Maintainer. i discussed it with the team, and they wanted me to be Maintainer (with my @ubuntu.com address), but i wanted the ubuntustudio-devel-list to be the Maintainer. we settled with me being the uploader, and Ubuntu MOTU being the Maintainer
[10:10] <nixternal> shouldn't the version be 0.8-0ubuntu1?
[10:10] <ScottK> nixternal: I think it's meant to be a native package.
[10:10] <ScottK> That's what I assumed anyway
[10:11] <nixternal> ahh, I thought we still added the ubuntu version as it is native to Ubuntu, unless of course it has plans of going into Debian
[10:13] <tsmithe> nixternal, it is :)
[10:13] <tsmithe> native i mean
[10:13] <nixternal> gotcha
[10:13] <tsmithe> :)
[10:17] <LaserJock> nixternal: even then I think we usually avoid that versioning
[10:18] <nixternal> OK..good to know
[10:19] <LaserJock> I sure wish siretart would stop sending my mailing list so much spam ;-)
[10:19] <tsmithe> LaserJock, could you review that package?
[10:20] <LaserJock> probably not in a timely manner
[10:20] <tsmithe> ok :)
[10:24] <nixternal> your sh -c: issue tsmithe is due to svg's in the source dir
[10:25] <nixternal> that is bad file naming ;)
[10:25] <nixternal> err, directory naming
[10:25] <tsmithe> what sh -c issue?
[10:25] <tsmithe> i didn't choose the directory name. it's even incorrect. but i can change it :)
[10:25] <nixternal> if you run linda against it, you will see the sh -c errors
[10:25] <tsmithe> i don't!
[10:25] <nixternal> ya, I just changed it to svg and it built cleanly
[10:25] <tsmithe> it scares me :s
[10:25] <tsmithe> linda seems clean when i run it..
[10:27] <nixternal> linda -di *.changes
[10:27] <nixternal> nixternal@ShakaDoobie:~/downloads$ linda *.dsc
[10:27] <nixternal> sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[10:27] <nixternal> sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[10:27] <tsmithe> hrrmph
[10:29] <nixternal> I don't see what the "source tree appears dirty" issue is though...you can run make clean, there is nothing to clean :)
[10:29] <tsmithe> yes..
[10:29] <tsmithe> in fact, i'm not even sure where the svgs are used..
[10:30] <nixternal> heh, they are the source for the .pngs
[10:31] <nixternal> I think
[10:31] <tsmithe> yes. i guess that's where they are required, but they're not actively used, i don't think
[10:31] <LaserJock> have there been any reports of "Fix Released" bugs getting their status changed by the lastest LP rollout
[10:32] <nixternal> LaserJock: umm, I might have had 1 or 2 switch to "incomplete"
[10:32] <nixternal> but that could have been due to upstream bug link not being in "fixed released"
[10:33] <nixternal> tsmithe: did persia explain in detail the "source tree appears dirty"?
[10:33] <tsmithe> heh no
[10:34] <nixternal> I ran make clean just to see what gets removed, and absolutely nothing gets removed
[10:34] <nixternal> it may appear dirty, but I think that is due to just placing everyting into the source dir and not breaking it down into sub dirs like src, images, and so on
[10:36] <tsmithe> ye
[10:36] <tsmithe> *s
[10:36] <nixternal> that copyright is scary...has Debian excepted CC-by-SA as a DFSG?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> no
[10:36] <nixternal> they are close though I believe, and that would be version 3.0 and higher I think
[10:37] <tsmithe> well, copyright totally scares me, so i dunno
[10:37] <nixternal> 2.5 has been deemed a negative, and 3.0 is/was looking promising
[10:37] <Burgundavia> I believe 3 doesn't do it either
[10:37] <tsmithe> well, as long as ubuntu accepts it
[10:37] <nixternal> well, isn't the debianization of a package considered GPL?
[10:38] <tsmithe> yes
[10:38] <tsmithe> or at least i thought i'd added that..
[10:38] <tsmithe> damn
[10:38] <LaserJock> it's whatever you make it, I believe
[10:38] <tsmithe> yes
[10:39] <LaserJock> most packages don't have license/copyright of the debianization
[10:39] <nixternal> ok LaserJock, I wasn't for sure...I know with Debian we have to add the debianization is GPL snippets to the bottom of the copyright file
[10:39] <tsmithe> i am doing that now
[10:39] <tsmithe> it does make sense
[10:39] <LaserJock> nixternal: no you don't
[10:39] <nixternal> LaserJock: I believe those that don't have it now, are in the process of getting it eventually
[10:40] <LaserJock> could be
[10:40] <nixternal> LaserJock: well I was told we do with the Debian KDE team
[10:40] <LaserJock> none of my packages in Debian do
[10:40] <nixternal> interesting..I guess it depends on the sponsor maybe
[10:40] <LaserJock> nixternal: sure, sponsors can put whatever restrictions they like ;-)
[10:40] <tsmithe> right, that's my last upload doing and i'm off to bed
[10:40] <tsmithe> should anyone wanna review/upload, then feel free :p
[10:41] <nixternal> hehe, my 2 cents is it looks OK after the svg's fix
[10:42] <nixternal> hrmm, the SVG files DO in fact contain copyright info inside of them it seems
[10:42] <LaserJock> I think it's kinda silly to copyright/license packaging, but I suppose it should have something
[10:42] <nixternal> LaserJock: I agree
[10:42] <LaserJock> I *think* it was commonly understood that packaging was public domain
[10:42] <nixternal> I would think if it was important, then that snippet would be added by dh_make or such
[10:43] <nixternal> then again I ran across some sponsor documentation that states that the "examples and templates" aren't always correct
[10:43] <nixternal> that is good to know
[10:43] <LaserJock> but then, as we found out, just leaving out a license/copyright != public domain
[10:44] <nixternal> haha right
[10:48] <LaserJock> has anybody seen any documentation on what to do with all the stuff apport spits out in bug reports?
[10:50] <nixternal> LaserJock: I thought there was some apport documentation on the wiki..and iirc it was horrid
[10:50] <nixternal> bdmurray is of course the person to ask about that
[10:51] <bdmurray> me?
[10:51] <nixternal> yes you mister bugman :)
[10:52] <bdmurray> nixternal: the wiki seems to have been updated recently
[10:52] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[10:52] <nixternal> you should just have the word "bug" on highlight in your IRC client
[10:52] <nixternal> oh wow, there is a lot of apport info there now
[10:53] <bdmurray> If I had CRT I would get burn-in on my monitor
[10:53] <nixternal> lol
[10:53] <coNP> can I run two pbuilder build commands at the same time?
[10:53] <coNP> I guess it uses separate directories, so should not be a problem, is it, though?
[10:56] <LaserJock> I think you can yes
[10:56] <LaserJock> they'll just maybe be a bit slow
[10:56] <nixternal> well, I have tried running pbuilder-gutsy on 2 things at once, and it refuses to start another process, it could be because they are super super slow or it is respecting a lock-file and just not reporting it to you
[10:57] <coNP> works for me (so far :D)
[10:58] <LaserJock> I think sometimes things will bump
[10:58] <LaserJock> but I've done it a few times before
[10:58] <coNP> maybe during merges back to base.tgz
[10:58] <coNP> I cannot really imagine other problems
[11:14] <xxxxx1> bye all
[11:48] <mshima> I working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsynce/+bug/116626 but I need some guidance
[11:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116626 in libsynce "WM5 (Windows Mobile 5) support" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[11:48] <mshima> some motu could help me?
[11:56] <ScottK> mshima: Ask your question and maybe someone can answer it.
[11:59] <mshima> ScottK: I have most of the packages waiting for review but they are not based on debian one. But he debian maintainer is blocked.
[11:59] <mshima> These packages are acceptable on ubuntu?
[11:59] <ScottK> Why aren't they based on the Debian one?
[12:00] <ScottK> Generically, there's no hard requirement to be based on Debian, but we prefer it if possible. 
[12:00] <ScottK> Is there a good reason not to base yourself on Debian?
[12:00] <mshima> Jonny Lamb are getting them into debian
[12:00] <mshima> no
[12:00] <mshima> no good reason
[12:01] <ScottK> Then my recommendation is base your work on what's already proven out for Debian.
[12:01] <mshima> the debian maintainer abandoned and he is trying to become the maintainer
[12:01] <ScottK> Right, but don't re-invent the wheel.
[12:01] <mshima> ok
[12:02] <mshima> I will wait some time then
[12:02] <mshima> ScottK: And about grandr?
[12:03] <mshima> did you take a look on it again?
[12:03] <ScottK> mshima: I haven't had time.
[12:04] <mshima> ScottK: ok