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| DBeta | Hello | 01:07 |
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| superm1 | Hi DBeta | 01:08 |
| DBeta | I'm attempting to run Mythbuntu live. But it's being a pain. | 01:08 |
| superm1 | run it in live mode? | 01:09 |
| DBeta | I get "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" | 01:09 |
| DBeta | Off the CD | 01:09 |
| superm1 | which ISO are you using? | 01:09 |
| DBeta | The one that is on the mythbuntu download page... let me check | 01:09 |
| DBeta | Mythbuntu-7.04~070603-i386.iso | 01:10 |
| superm1 | Well thats a bit of an odd error for the feisty based one. | 01:10 |
| DBeta | Yeah, the bash prompt turns to (initramfs), which I think is just the base one when the OS isn't really running | 01:11 |
| superm1 | is this in a VM/ | 01:11 |
| superm1 | or on a real machine? | 01:11 |
| DBeta | Real machine | 01:11 |
| DBeta | A 800mhrz emachine(AKA Kinda old) | 01:12 |
| superm1 | could you by chance try it in a VM? | 01:12 |
| superm1 | or on another machine | 01:12 |
| superm1 | to compare results | 01:12 |
| superm1 | and then to rule out bad burn/bad download etc | 01:12 |
| DBeta | I think I have qemu installed on this machine | 01:12 |
| superm1 | virtual box is a little easier to use imo | 01:13 |
| DBeta | Wait, I'll throw it in my other-other computer, and see what it comes up with | 01:13 |
| superm1 | k | 01:13 |
| DBeta | I can't try graphical safe mode because it seems the mobo doesn't like USB keyboards, and it has to wait for the OS to poll for it | 01:17 |
| superm1 | doesn't work in normal mode? | 01:17 |
| DBeta | The other-other machine is still booting | 01:18 |
| superm1 | ah | 01:18 |
| DBeta | The CD drive was disconnected | 01:19 |
| DBeta | Boots on the other-othewr machine | 01:19 |
| superm1 | so any non standard hardware on this 800mhz emachine? | 01:20 |
| DBeta | No, far more normal than the other-other machine. | 01:20 |
| superm1 | or maybe a dying CD drive? | 01:20 |
| superm1 | (more likely) | 01:20 |
| DBeta | I doubt it. Mythknopixs installed fine | 01:21 |
| DBeta | (Except X11 problems) | 01:21 |
| DBeta | It was just misdetecting graphical modes | 01:21 |
| DBeta | Which might be related | 01:21 |
| superm1 | well if your dropped to that initramfs prompt | 01:21 |
| superm1 | thats before the kernel is even fully loaded | 01:21 |
| superm1 | so that would lead me to believe it to be read errors on the disk | 01:22 |
| DBeta | Well, the CD drive doesn't seem to be having problems(No rev ups then dies) and the CD works in other machines | 01:24 |
| DBeta | And the drive didn't have a problem launching Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe 1 | 01:24 |
| DBeta | I'd just install 7.10, but it seems Myth isn't in the reposity | 01:25 |
| DBeta | repository** | 01:25 |
| DBeta | There was some "Select your OS" setting in the bios, let me try playing with that | 01:26 |
| DBeta | Hey... I turned on USB legacy mode and all of the sudden I could go through the boot menu to start in graphical safe mode | 01:28 |
| DBeta | Lets see how that does... | 01:28 |
| DBeta | Graphical safe mode didn't work either... | 01:29 |
| DBeta | I'm booting the CD checker | 01:31 |
| DBeta | Arg, even the CD checker errored | 01:31 |
| DBeta | Isn't there a text installer? | 01:32 |
| superm1 | no text installer | 01:45 |
| superm1 | all of our focus is around the graphical for now | 01:45 |
| superm1 | myth should be in the gutsy repo | 01:46 |
| DBeta | I searched it from the live CD and didn't get it | 01:46 |
| DBeta | Wait, is it in the standard or the normally disabed univerals? | 01:47 |
| DBeta | Or whichever one is normally disabed | 01:47 |
| superm1 | multiverse | 01:47 |
| superm1 | actually | 01:47 |
| DBeta | Is that the one that needs to be enabled? | 01:48 |
| superm1 | Yup | 01:48 |
| superm1 | universe and multiverse | 01:48 |
| DBeta | Ahh, thats probably why I didn't see it. | 01:48 |
| DBeta | Time to try 7.10 again | 01:48 |
| superm1 | ah that reminds me. keescook ping | 01:49 |
| DBeta | What? | 01:50 |
| superm1 | i wanted to remind keescook to look over my next set of changes on the mythtv / mythplugins packages | 01:51 |
| superm1 | for gutsy | 01:51 |
| DBeta | What's new in gutsy? I haven't looked up the info on it. | 01:53 |
| keescook | ah-ha! perfect timing. :) | 01:53 |
| keescook | let me bzr up | 01:53 |
| superm1 | DBeta, newer 0.20-fixes checkout and misc packaging related fixes | 01:55 |
| DBeta | So nothing big, like 6.10-7.04? | 01:56 |
| superm1 | well depends what you define as "big" | 01:56 |
| superm1 | because there were a few big packaging changes | 01:56 |
| superm1 | that really helped mysql problems | 01:56 |
| superm1 | feature wise the packages are the same though (as new features aren't introduced to 0.20-fixes) | 01:56 |
| keescook | superm1: I need to grab a new orig.tar.gz from somewhere, yes? | 01:56 |
| superm1 | keescook, not this time! | 01:57 |
| superm1 | :) | 01:57 |
| superm1 | debian/ rules get-orig-tar | 01:57 |
| keescook | ah-ha! | 01:57 |
| DBeta | I really should label my discs better | 01:58 |
| superm1 | er "debian/rules get-orig-source" | 01:58 |
| keescook | superm1: found that, yeah. :) | 01:58 |
| superm1 | i added it to both mythtv and mythplugins | 01:58 |
| keescook | very nice. | 01:58 |
| keescook | superm1: did you push your mythplugins updates? I'm still seeing rev9 as current? | 02:03 |
| superm1 | 10 is the current | 02:03 |
| superm1 | and its pushed | 02:03 |
| superm1 | at least according to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu | 02:03 |
| keescook | parent branch: sftp://keescook@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu/ | 02:03 |
| keescook | $ bzr up | 02:04 |
| keescook | Tree is up to date at revision 9. | 02:04 |
| keescook | ?? | 02:04 |
| superm1 | bzr pull perhaps? | 02:04 |
| superm1 | oh but you have a parent branch | 02:04 |
| superm1 | um | 02:04 |
| keescook | trying a pull anyway... | 02:04 |
| keescook | some day I'll understand. that worked. :) | 02:05 |
| superm1 | haha | 02:05 |
| superm1 | yea i dont get bzr myself often | 02:05 |
| superm1 | keescook, i was thinking too, can you use variables like i'm using in debian/rules inside debian/control? | 02:07 |
| superm1 | because then, can easily make sure that a plugins build never builds on an old mythtv- build | 02:07 |
| keescook | I think only if you do the processing yourself. There are weird things that general a control from a control.in file | 02:08 |
| superm1 | ah | 02:08 |
| superm1 | not too big a deal then | 02:08 |
| superm1 | okay i've gotta run. i have my ghost on, superm1_ so leave a note with any complications you see :) | 02:09 |
| keescook | okay, so far, looks very nice! :) | 02:09 |
| superm1 | great!. cu | 02:10 |
| keescook | superm1_: the only "odd" thing I see is the gdm theme selection. shouldn't that just go in the mythbuntu package instead? | 02:11 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #69651 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Can't rip DVDs in mythdvd" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69651 | 03:20 |
| DBeta | Reboot time. I'll be back if 7.10 gives me some troubles with myth. | 03:31 |
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| tuxie_fl | hey super, what was said about zap2it last night? | 04:18 |
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| Zentax-Work | Hey is anyone around that may be able to help me with an issue in regards to getting MythTV to work with my Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T | 04:37 |
| Zentax-Work | Am running latest Ubuntu and have upgraded Kernel to 2.6.20-16-generic | 04:38 |
| tuxie_fl | nope, i am using knoppmyth | 04:42 |
| Zentax-Work | We tried MythDora with the same result. | 04:42 |
| Zentax-Work | What card are you using? the same one? | 04:42 |
| tuxie_fl | happauge 150 | 04:42 |
| Zentax-Work | Any reason u went knoppmyth and not compile manually or MythDora etc?? | 04:42 |
| Zentax-Work | We have been trying this for days. And knoppmyth is the only thing we have yet to try. | 04:43 |
| Zentax-Work | Just spent a good couple of hours installing ubuntu and getting MythTV packages up and going.. to now find our card is still not detected by MythTV | 04:43 |
| tuxie_fl | i used ubuntu and install all the binaries, but configuring it all was beyond me | 04:43 |
| tuxie_fl | i installed knoppmyth and it works right off the disk, practically no setup | 04:43 |
| Zentax-Work | Ahh k | 04:44 |
| Zentax-Work | We might have to try that as the last resort. | 04:44 |
| tuxie_fl | try it. it boots automatically, setsd up the sql db, detected my card | 04:45 |
| Zentax-Work | yea we might give it a go on a seperate hard disk | 04:46 |
| tuxie_fl | good luck | 04:46 |
| Zentax-Work | its sort of a kicker as we really like the way its been setup via unbuntu | 04:46 |
| Zentax-Work | *ubuntu. | 04:46 |
| Zentax-Work | even if the setup was a pain | 04:46 |
| Zentax-Work | Yea i will.. ill still idle here incase anyone else in here has a suggestion that might help | 04:46 |
| Zentax-Work | in the mean time we will try knoppmyth on a seperate hard disk and see how we go | 04:46 |
| tuxie_fl | watching law and order here | 04:46 |
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| keescook | superm1_: everything looks great, I'm going to upload 'em. :) | 05:19 |
| keescook | wtf?! | 05:51 |
| keescook | mythplugins_0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the | 05:51 |
| keescook | archive. 0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 <= 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1 | 05:51 |
| keescook | I swear I checked that before. | 05:52 |
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| keescook | superm1_: greaat. so 0.20+fixes13716 > 0.20-svn20070523 but 0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 < 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1 *bang head on desk* | 06:45 |
| OpenMedia | :) | 06:49 |
| OpenMedia | I know your pain. | 06:49 |
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| superm1_ | huh keescook ? i'm a bit confused | 08:20 |
| superm1_ | i thought u found the + to be later? | 08:20 |
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| superm1_ | keescook, did the same thing happen with the "mythtv" package too? or just the mythplugins? | 08:59 |
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| kruuli | happy "midsommar" guys! :D | 09:41 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #113889 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Ubuntu needs the Liberation Fonts" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113889 | 02:06 |
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| Xenocide | superm1, ya there? | 02:36 |
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| DaveMorris | what are we licencing scripts under? "GPL2" or "GPL2 or later" ? | 04:02 |
| DaveMorris | also did you want the docs under the main mythbuntu branch or seperate ? | 04:08 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, sep | 04:18 |
| superm1 | GPL2 or later i'd say | 04:18 |
| DaveMorris | and the bzr stuff? or does sep mean seperate | 04:19 |
| superm1 | seperate | 04:19 |
| superm1 | that main bzr branch has grown unbearably large | 04:20 |
| superm1 | as is | 04:20 |
| laga | i'll get an upgrade to 16mbit/s soon | 04:20 |
| superm1 | i'm quite jealous of that | 04:21 |
| superm1 | stuck with 5mbit/s here | 04:21 |
| laga | only 768kbit/s up :( | 04:21 |
| laga | i'll do the mythweb stuff tonight. | 04:23 |
| laga | as soon as i get ouf of this meeting | 04:23 |
| rogue780 | aw shucks guys. I still use my US Robotics 56.6K serial modem from time to time when comcast dies. | 04:24 |
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| DaveMorris | who did the orginal artwork on the mythbuntu site? | 04:24 |
| laga | rogue780: i'm not that addicted :) | 04:25 |
| DaveMorris | Daviey: was it you ^^ | 04:27 |
| Daviey | me | 04:27 |
| Daviey | I did the blue ubuntu logo, with the mythtv logo | 04:28 |
| DaveMorris | Can I have a copy done with a width of 100mm ?? The current one blown up looks shit | 04:28 |
| Daviey | np | 04:29 |
| Daviey | i can give you the src | 04:29 |
| DaveMorris | what licence are the docs going to be under? | 04:46 |
| laga | MS EULA | 04:47 |
| DaveMorris | heh | 04:47 |
| DaveMorris | and how can we show that the images are under a free licence? | 04:49 |
| DaveMorris | hmm, latest mythbuntu cd is slow at loading, seems to be hung up after | 04:57 |
| DaveMorris | ACPI: Unable to load the System Description Tables | 04:57 |
| DaveMorris | moving along now :) | 04:57 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, i'm hoping that one the installer works. i generated it last night, but haven't had time to try it | 05:00 |
| superm1 | it supposedly has a newer glib | 05:01 |
| superm1 | which will make life better | 05:01 |
| superm1 | keescook, I just committed revno 41 and 11 for mythtv/mythplugins | 05:10 |
| superm1 | they should have the version number fixed | 05:10 |
| Daviey | superm1: you're aware mythbuntu-7.10~070621-i386.iso is only 11Meg? | 05:20 |
| DaveMorris | it worked | 05:26 |
| DaveMorris | btw the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu" | 05:28 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, I am now. It appears that debootstrap couldn't grab a package from a mirror (mksquashfs) | 05:49 |
| superm1 | so here we go again :) | 05:50 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu" | 05:50 |
| superm1 | keescook, re those version number changes, 0.20.1 was announced at some point informally | 05:50 |
| superm1 | ah right DaveMorris | 05:50 |
| superm1 | I can't make commit changes atm(at work), so if someone wants to update the build script for that | 05:51 |
| superm1 | feel free | 05:51 |
| Daviey | "Whoever smelt it dealt it" | 05:52 |
| laga | o_O | 05:54 |
| keescook | superm1: okay, cool. what'd you do to fix up the versioning? | 05:58 |
| superm1 | keescook, 0.20+fixes -> 0.20.1+fixes | 05:59 |
| superm1 | so i added a minor revision number to the debian/rules get-orig-source | 05:59 |
| superm1 | so when there are releases with minor that variable is valid | 05:59 |
| superm1 | and when there aren't, you comment out the tline | 05:59 |
| superm1 | and an ifneq will take it out | 06:00 |
| keescook | superm1: ah! nice. yeah, flipping that bit should over-ride the problems we were seeing. | 06:01 |
| keescook | nice, I'll re-up and do another build/upload. thanks! | 06:01 |
| superm1 | I did a dpkg --compare-versions with it, and it appears alright | 06:01 |
| superm1 | do you know why that was happening before though when a debian revision was attached? | 06:01 |
| superm1 | it makes no sense. | 06:01 |
| laga | why does mythplugins build-depend on libmyth-dev (>= 0.20-0.2)? | 06:22 |
| laga | i'm sure libmyth-0.20-dev would work as well :P | 06:22 |
| superm1 | laga, there was that name change | 06:26 |
| superm1 | that we had | 06:26 |
| superm1 | because libmyth-0.20-dev couldn't be installed side by side with say libmyth-0.21-dev | 06:27 |
| laga | superm1: i know... i'm building current mythplugins from bzr against libmyth-0.20-dev and i get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmyth-0.20.1 | 06:27 |
| laga | superm1: i know, but you can still build against it. well, unless you get weird errors like i do | 06:27 |
| superm1 | laga, you likely need to have a current libmyth-dev then | 06:28 |
| superm1 | installed | 06:28 |
| superm1 | laga, is that your trunk branch or adding the changes to the normal mythplugins branch? | 06:34 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: the screen shots at http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/ are they the standard install? | 06:46 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, thats an advanced install | 06:47 |
| superm1 | standard takes out the plugins and type of install pages | 06:47 |
| superm1 | and themes | 06:47 |
| superm1 | the additional drivers page has changed a bit | 06:47 |
| superm1 | as has the passwords page | 06:47 |
| superm1 | but those can easily be updated | 06:48 |
| DaveMorris | well hopefully it'll just require some new pics | 06:48 |
| superm1 | the passwords page will need a little discussion likely | 06:48 |
| superm1 | but 2/3 of its dependent on laga's changes for mythweb and mysql root password, so its not active yet | 06:48 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, the additional drivers page includes a little detection mechanism that you can mention though. when that checkbox is hit, it will determine if you have an nvidia or ati card | 06:49 |
| superm1 | and indicate which driver gets installed | 06:50 |
| DaveMorris | does the standard install do a fe/bed on 1 system? | 06:50 |
| superm1 | yes | 06:50 |
| DaveMorris | so the advanced is also what you want if you just want a BE | 06:51 |
| superm1 | yup | 06:53 |
| laga | superm1: it's the normal mythplugins branch | 06:54 |
| superm1 | ah laga, then you need to have the mythtv normal branch built | 06:54 |
| superm1 | (so against that it has to be done) | 06:54 |
| laga | superm1: ok, will do that | 06:54 |
| superm1 | laga, are you buliding in pbuilder/sbuild or something similar? | 06:55 |
| superm1 | or just dpkg-buildpackage | 06:55 |
| laga | dpkg-buildpackage | 06:55 |
| laga | haven't set up pbuilder yet | 06:55 |
| superm1 | ah k | 06:55 |
| laga | although i should | 06:55 |
| superm1 | well once you start using pbuilder, there are a few extra things you'll have to do | 06:55 |
| superm1 | to set up hooks to properly use already built packages in the chroot | 06:56 |
| laga | is that documented somewhere? i could setup pbuilder now | 06:56 |
| superm1 | um i'm sure it is, because I would have needed to know how to do it at some point :) | 06:57 |
| superm1 | but i'm not sure where I came across it | 06:57 |
| laga | i'll google then | 06:57 |
| laga | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e51532fca6153405af36a03364e03803e99edcf | 06:58 |
| laga | ^^ superm1 ? | 06:58 |
| superm1 | well that should work, but its not the way i was referring to | 06:58 |
| superm1 | there is a hook setup | 06:58 |
| laga | using pbuilder makes more sense since i'm still on edgy | 06:59 |
| superm1 | make a directory /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks/gutsy | 06:59 |
| superm1 | and in it a file called D70results | 07:00 |
| superm1 | with these contents | 07:00 |
| superm1 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26753/ | 07:00 |
| superm1 | that line /var/cache/pbuilder/result/gutsy | 07:00 |
| superm1 | can be changed to whereever you're going to keep results | 07:00 |
| laga | /var/cache should be OK for now | 07:01 |
| superm1 | well the normal location (by default) is /var/cache/pbuilder/result | 07:01 |
| superm1 | i put mine in a gutsy subdirectory because i have pbuilders for dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy | 07:01 |
| laga | i hope pbuilder in edgy can bootstrap gutsy | 07:02 |
| laga | yes, i used to have pbuilders for different distributions, too | 07:02 |
| superm1 | i dont know if you need a newer pbuilder to do it | 07:02 |
| superm1 | you can easily get one | 07:02 |
| laga | yup | 07:02 |
| laga | used to do that, too | 07:02 |
| laga | it's been a while, though | 07:02 |
| laga | i'll find a solution :) thanks for that hook script! | 07:02 |
| superm1 | yup, just make sure you remember to enable it in your pbuilderrc | 07:03 |
| laga | i used to have my own small repository when i still had a local server. it was a bit too flakey, though :( | 07:04 |
| superm1 | that hook script will also make sure you always install the latest version of packages | 07:04 |
| superm1 | so no need to update the pbuilder env | 07:04 |
| superm1 | (unless you want faster builds) | 07:04 |
| laga | why do the mythtv packages build-depend on ccache? it's no use in pbuilder AFAIK | 07:05 |
| superm1 | thats a good point | 07:05 |
| superm1 | i dont know if its of any use on the buildds either | 07:05 |
| superm1 | i'm trying to think why we enabled it last year | 07:05 |
| laga | http://people.warp.es/~isaac/blog/index.php/ccache-pbuilder-33 | 07:07 |
| laga | ^^ it can be used, though | 07:07 |
| superm1 | ooh pretty | 07:08 |
| superm1 | i can fill up my drive now with ccached messes :) | 07:08 |
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| superm1 | ideally i'd like to set up a buildd like thing at home | 07:12 |
| superm1 | that I can submit .changes files to, have it build and spit back out into a repository that I can use rather than having to manually dpkg -i each file | 07:12 |
| laga | just cron dput or something? | 07:13 |
| superm1 | well the problem is that pbuilder needs root | 07:13 |
| laga | my setup would scan one directory regularly and create a repository from it | 07:13 |
| superm1 | well falcon does that | 07:13 |
| laga | yup | 07:13 |
| superm1 | its not too big a deal, but i'd like to use my extra machine | 07:14 |
| superm1 | to do this sort of thing for me | 07:14 |
| superm1 | because it can do it for both amd64 and i386 then | 07:14 |
| superm1 | if everything is setup right | 07:14 |
| laga | sounds sensible | 07:15 |
| laga | i tend to use VMs for that kind of stuff | 07:15 |
| laga | although i wish i'd be easier to move virtualbox vms. seems to be rather complicated | 07:15 |
| superm1 | so at some point when things are dying down with ubiquity and mythbuntu and all this other tsuff | 07:15 |
| laga | i'll have to investiagte | 07:15 |
| superm1 | i'll get that setup | 07:15 |
| laga | investigate* | 07:15 |
| laga | yup | 07:15 |
| laga | i need to get lots of stuff done first before i can do fun things :) | 07:16 |
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| laga | :'( | 07:16 |
| laga | that's what i meant by "lots of stuff done first" ;) | 07:17 |
| superm1 | ah good :) | 07:17 |
| superm1 | haha | 07:17 |
| laga | now that i think about it, i'll definitely try the ccache hook. | 07:19 |
| laga | waiting $ages just because of a debconf change seems annoying | 07:19 |
| superm1 | another idea i've toyed with is installing a lot of those dependencies right in the chroot | 07:19 |
| superm1 | because they are pretty static at this point | 07:19 |
| superm1 | but i cant justify it because i go to other packages | 07:20 |
| superm1 | a lot too | 07:20 |
| laga | heh :) | 07:21 |
| superm1 | now ccache can take up quite a bit of space if you let it can't it | 07:21 |
| superm1 | like upwards of 3-4 gigs | 07:21 |
| laga | the pbuilderhowto in the wiki tells me to modify the new pbuilderrc altough the "pbuilder-gutsy" script already overrides most variables | 07:22 |
| laga | i plan on buying a new 500G disk for this box :) | 07:22 |
| superm1 | well not sure what the ideal way to go is. with that | 07:22 |
| superm1 | i have seperate pbuilderrc's | 07:23 |
| superm1 | for gutsy edgy feisty and dapper | 07:23 |
| superm1 | and seperate base images for each too | 07:23 |
| laga | yup | 07:23 |
| laga | the wiki proposes that idea, too | 07:23 |
| laga | i'll just use that script | 07:24 |
| DaveMorris | what does HTPC stand for in the installer? | 07:46 |
| superm1 | Home Theater Personal Computer | 07:48 |
| rogue780 | laga, it's not an addiction if you need it ;) | 07:48 |
| rogue780 | what's the command to edit ivtv driver settings? | 07:51 |
| superm1 | ivtvctl ? | 07:51 |
| rogue780 | no...oh well | 07:53 |
| rogue780 | Hauppauge just told me to verify my windows volume control settings | 07:54 |
| rogue780 | well, I'm going to call them since e-mail is slow | 07:54 |
| superm1 | Daviey, the ISO generated now | 07:56 |
| DaveMorris | hmm docs take forever to write :( | 07:57 |
| rogue780 | #8772 | 07:57 |
| rogue780 | err oops | 07:57 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: how can I create a new branch? | 07:57 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, bzr init | 07:57 |
| superm1 | inside your directory | 07:57 |
| superm1 | followed by bzr push URL | 07:57 |
| superm1 | where URL is where your going to push it | 07:57 |
| DaveMorris | and what url should I use? | 07:57 |
| superm1 | hmum | 07:57 |
| superm1 | something along the lines of sftp://USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/documentation | 07:58 |
| superm1 | where USER is your launchpad user | 07:58 |
| DaveMorris | I think I might need to register a key as well :) | 07:59 |
| superm1 | ah yes | 07:59 |
| superm1 | are you going to generate the html and pdf right in it, or just the latex and leave that as a responsibility on mythbuntu.org? | 08:02 |
| DaveMorris | how do I add files to the branch onces its created | 08:02 |
| DaveMorris | they'll be generated by a make file | 08:02 |
| superm1 | bzr add | 08:02 |
| === DaveMorris has only used cvs/svn | ||
| superm1 | so will mythbuntu.org be running this make command? | 08:03 |
| superm1 | or are you going to do it as part of the branch though | 08:03 |
| DaveMorris | yeah mytbuntu can do bzr update | 08:03 |
| DaveMorris | then a make install | 08:03 |
| superm1 | make sure to do bzr ignore locally | 08:04 |
| superm1 | to make sure that you don't accidently include those files then | 08:04 |
| rogue780 | I think I may have just done a first. anyone here ever have a scissor jam in your printer? | 08:05 |
| superm1 | keescook, is there a mailing list that archive admins post to regarding issues with source packages in the queue, or do they contact directly to the person listed as maintainer? | 08:08 |
| keescook | generally they contact people directly, or use a bug report. whatcha lookin' for? | 08:09 |
| superm1 | well libhdhomerun is sitting at the end still, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=40 I know there were binary NEW source packages uploaded after it that have already cleared | 08:10 |
| superm1 | so i wasn't sure what the big hold up was | 08:10 |
| superm1 | and didnt want to poke the admins if there was somewhere they list these sorts of things | 08:10 |
| superm1 | there is a new version that silicon dust just let me know about to get packaged up, but I wanted to wait for this to clear before I bothered | 08:11 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: well its in the bzr now if you wanted to have a look | 08:13 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, did you push it up? | 08:13 |
| superm1 | you need to bzr commit | 08:14 |
| superm1 | followed by bzr push | 08:14 |
| DaveMorris | oh, I did a commi | 08:15 |
| superm1 | if you attach it directly to that parent branch at bazaar.launchpad.net, you can bzr commit directly | 08:16 |
| superm1 | without needing to push | 08:16 |
| DaveMorris | how do I do that? | 08:16 |
| superm1 | um | 08:16 |
| superm1 | man bzr. i'm not sure ;) | 08:16 |
| DaveMorris | are you able to grab the branch though? | 08:19 |
| superm1 | i just saw it on launchpad.net | 08:19 |
| superm1 | that it existed | 08:19 |
| superm1 | but no commits were made yet | 08:19 |
| DaveMorris | well I've got a pushed up revison 2 message | 08:21 |
| superm1 | ah yes | 08:22 |
| superm1 | i see it | 08:22 |
| superm1 | you included the pdf | 08:22 |
| DaveMorris | did I | 08:22 |
| superm1 | oh no | 08:23 |
| DaveMorris | was it the latexsheet.pdf 1? | 08:23 |
| superm1 | its a cheat sheet :) | 08:23 |
| DaveMorris | yeah, I thought I'd be nice | 08:23 |
| superm1 | ah good and that README describes exactly what is needed to build it | 08:24 |
| superm1 | very good | 08:24 |
| DaveMorris | I may have missed a package out | 08:24 |
| DaveMorris | can you try it for me at some point | 08:24 |
| superm1 | well i'll try to add it to mythbuntu.org tonight | 08:24 |
| superm1 | and see | 08:24 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: its not read for thaty | 08:24 |
| DaveMorris | I've only done about 15% | 08:24 |
| superm1 | www.mythbuntu.org/documentation ? | 08:25 |
| superm1 | oh ok | 08:25 |
| DaveMorris | I just wanted to get it under SC and this way you can see whats produced, and see if your happy with it | 08:25 |
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| superm1 | ah very good. I'll build it tonight then | 08:26 |
| superm1 | good excuse to get exposed to some LaTeX stuff | 08:26 |
| DaveMorris | yep | 08:26 |
| superm1 | all images have to be eps? | 08:26 |
| superm1 | cant take in jpg/png? | 08:26 |
| DaveMorris | nope, not thet way I've done it | 08:27 |
| DaveMorris | btw the PDF version is a lot nicer than the html IMO | 08:27 |
| DaveMorris | gimp can easily convert to eps though | 08:27 |
| superm1 | now what you can do so you dont have to do make clean before uploading | 08:28 |
| superm1 | is bzr ignore FILE | 08:28 |
| superm1 | for any file you dont want to ever upload | 08:28 |
| superm1 | this will create a .bzrignore file | 08:28 |
| superm1 | in the root of the branch | 08:28 |
| superm1 | so bzr add .bzrignore, and then the next commit will make sure that they never get uploaded by anyone | 08:29 |
| DaveMorris | ok, can you use wildcards? | 08:29 |
| superm1 | um | 08:31 |
| superm1 | try it and see :) | 08:31 |
| DaveMorris | well I've done it | 08:31 |
| === DaveMorris broke the build in SC already | ||
| superm1 | :) | 08:35 |
| DaveMorris | fixed it now :) | 08:35 |
| superm1 | Ok I'm going to need to be running off to my meeting a bit early. I'll try to make it back in time for the forums meeting, but I can't guarantee i do | 08:36 |
| DaveMorris | forums meeting? | 08:36 |
| superm1 | at 20:00 UTC | 08:36 |
| superm1 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda | 08:37 |
| superm1 | for requesting our subforum | 08:37 |
| DaveMorris | ahhh | 08:37 |
| superm1 | if you and/or Daviey can attend to answer any questions they have | 08:38 |
| superm1 | you've got a pretty good feel for what the forum would be used for and such | 08:38 |
| laga | i have almost 2000 postings on mythtvtalk. "those forums will be used for whining" ;) | 08:38 |
| laga | j/k | 08:38 |
| superm1 | haha | 08:38 |
| superm1 | laga, your going too right? | 08:39 |
| laga | superm1: when is it? | 08:39 |
| superm1 | 20:00 UTC | 08:39 |
| superm1 | about an hour from now | 08:39 |
| laga | ah, thanks | 08:39 |
| laga | still struggling with the GF *sigh* | 08:39 |
| superm1 | gotta run though. hopefully things come up well with it :) | 08:39 |
| laga | i just want one fscking night off | 08:39 |
| laga | yup :) | 08:40 |
| DaveMorris | one night off from her? | 08:40 |
| laga | yes | 08:40 |
| laga | if i introduced a sexual connotation in there, it was *not* done intentionally | 08:40 |
| DaveMorris | whats wrong with that then? And can see read English? | 08:40 |
| laga | yes, she can read english. but she complains about my typing being too loud ;) | 08:42 |
| DaveMorris | can't see go out with her friends 1 night a week then? | 08:43 |
| laga | she's caught a cold, no going out then | 08:44 |
| laga | you know | 08:44 |
| laga | this always evolves quickly into the "you don't love me anymore" kind of stuff | 08:44 |
| === laga curses the ubuntu gods :P | ||
| DaveMorris | I've got to start doing my Masters soon, so less time for mythbuntu then :( | 08:45 |
| laga | :( | 08:46 |
| laga | i have like two or three months off now | 08:46 |
| DaveMorris | thing is I wanna get my Masters done ASAP so I can leave for more money :) | 08:47 |
| laga | <3 money | 08:47 |
| DaveMorris | prehaps someone can hire me to work full time on mythbuntu :) | 08:47 |
| laga | superm1: building mythtv in pbuilder now. i'm excited. ;) | 08:52 |
| laga | i guess i should make a gutsy VM | 08:52 |
| DaveMorris | Daviey: PM | 09:19 |
| DaveMorris | is mythweb the only backend plugin available atm? | 09:31 |
| laga | if you wanna call it a plugin: yes | 09:31 |
| laga | well, user jobs might count as backend plugins as well :P | 09:32 |
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| DaveMorris | laga Do you know if any of the plugins require extra input from the user? | 09:52 |
| laga | um | 09:53 |
| laga | what kind of input? | 09:53 |
| DaveMorris | found it, like mythtv input :) | 09:55 |
| laga | what is mythtv input? | 09:56 |
| laga | <- confused :) | 09:56 |
| DaveMorris | sorry | 09:56 |
| DaveMorris | mythweb, they are asked to enter a password | 09:56 |
| laga | uh, in debconf, eg when installing the package, or when using them? | 09:57 |
| laga | the password is optional, btw | 09:57 |
| DaveMorris | when installing | 09:58 |
| DaveMorris | I'm confused about the mysql password | 09:58 |
| DaveMorris | is that the password I'm gonna set the db up with, or the password of the database I want to connect to? | 09:59 |
| laga | it's the only package coming from the mythplugins source package that'll require user input upon install. if they have the appropriate debconf priority level set. | 09:59 |
| laga | um | 09:59 |
| laga | i suppose it asks you for the mysql root password. the mysql password for "mythtv" is a random one afaik | 10:00 |
| DaveMorris | hmm, the install docs are gonna be big :) | 10:21 |
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| laga | nice :) | 10:23 |
| laga | i wish i knew why mythweb.postinst doesn't exit properly :( | 10:23 |
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| DaveMorris | !logs | 10:36 |
| ubotu | Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 10:36 |
| DaveMorris | hmmm, the installer wouldn't quit for me | 10:40 |
| laga | DaveMorris: where? | 10:42 |
| laga | dear virtualbox. | 10:42 |
| laga | please suck less. | 10:42 |
| laga | love, michael | 10:43 |
| DaveMorris | no, this was on a real machine | 10:43 |
| laga | yeah, but i'm having trouble with virtualbox | 10:43 |
| DaveMorris | I got to the parationer, then hit back all the way, then tried to quit and it just locked up | 10:43 |
| laga | it tends to freeze when i perform this "acpi shutdown" thingy | 10:43 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: are we able to add the plugins and mythoptions the user choose to the review section at the end of the install? | 11:02 |
| DaveMorris | hmm latest installer crashed | 11:11 |
| superm1 | Ok Back | 11:19 |
| superm1 | looks like we got +1's for the forum | 11:19 |
| superm1 | very good, nothing was even to it | 11:19 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, which ISO? | 11:19 |
| laga | darn | 11:19 |
| superm1 | the very latest (as in generated today)? | 11:20 |
| laga | i missed the meeting :'( | 11:20 |
| === laga has a fit | ||
| laga | mythweb.postinst won't hang if apache_reload() is not called. | 11:23 |
| superm1 | why is that making it hang? | 11:24 |
| laga | i never had to use profanity before i started dealing with computers and cable companies, you know that? | 11:24 |
| laga | superm1: i have yet to find out | 11:24 |
| DaveMorris | 070620 | 11:26 |
| laga | i read that debconf can get confused when daemons are spawned, but using "db_stop" should fix that problem | 11:27 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, can you grab the one from today | 11:29 |
| superm1 | 070622 | 11:29 |
| superm1 | it should have the newer glib | 11:29 |
| superm1 | laga wasn't apache_reload() already being done though? | 11:30 |
| DaveMorris | is that the 11MB one? | 11:31 |
| superm1 | Nope | 11:31 |
| superm1 | 381 or so | 11:31 |
| superm1 | http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/mythbuntu-7.10~070622-i386.iso | 11:32 |
| laga | superm1: no, it was only called once *before* enable_auth was called. i've changed that now | 11:32 |
| DaveMorris | well the error I had was DebconfError(10, "ubiquity/install/drivers dosen't exist") | 11:33 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, yea | 11:33 |
| superm1 | there was a typo | 11:33 |
| superm1 | forgot a space | 11:33 |
| DaveMorris | hehe | 11:33 |
| superm1 | :) | 11:33 |
| DaveMorris | Do you know what the difference is between all the PAL formats on offer during the install? | 11:34 |
| superm1 | na. just took them all right from the readme on nvidia's site | 11:34 |
| laga | um | 11:36 |
| laga | add a country list? :) | 11:36 |
| DaveMorris | prehaps | 11:38 |
| DaveMorris | my g/f will be here in a mo so l8r guys | 11:38 |
| laga | i managed to get another hour off ;) | 11:38 |
| superm1 | okay cu DaveMorris | 11:38 |
| superm1 | i'll let you know how the docs Makefile works | 11:38 |
| DaveMorris | I'm just about to commit the other stuff I;ve done | 11:39 |
| DaveMorris | btw whats the bzr dance for checking in? | 11:41 |
| superm1 | bzr commit; bzr push | 11:41 |
| DaveMorris | no need to update to see others changes? | 11:42 |
| laga | yay yay | 11:42 |
| laga | all worky now | 11:42 |
| === laga does the happy debconf dance | ||
| superm1 | um, there is a bzr pull and bzr update too | 11:42 |
| superm1 | but i'm still a bit confused how to make it all work properly | 11:42 |
| superm1 | i had to merge changes once | 11:42 |
| superm1 | with bzr merge | 11:42 |
| DaveMorris | fun | 11:42 |
| superm1 | its on the "todo" | 11:42 |
| superm1 | to figure out :) | 11:42 |
| superm1 | laga, what'd you have to do? | 11:43 |
| laga | superm1: i moved that restart apache call to the end of the file | 11:43 |
| superm1 | ah | 11:43 |
| Daviey | bzr add is another special move :) | 11:44 |
| superm1 | i learned how to use 'bzr mv' | 11:45 |
| laga | oh, i made another (rather meaningless) change. let's try without that one | 11:45 |
| superm1 | its a pretty neat thing too | 11:45 |
| Daviey | what does it do? | 11:45 |
| superm1 | moves a bzr directory | 11:45 |
| superm1 | well a directory | 11:45 |
| superm1 | within a bzr branch | 11:45 |
| laga | heh | 11:45 |
| Daviey | mv $old $new ? | 11:45 |
| laga | was just gonna say :) | 11:45 |
| Daviey | ahh i see; within a branch | 11:46 |
| superm1 | yea its like a smart move | 11:46 |
| superm1 | because bzr isn't smart enough to know that you moved something otherwise | 11:46 |
| superm1 | it would appear | 11:46 |
| Daviey | worked out how to dump old revisions? | 11:46 |
| superm1 | can't | 11:46 |
| superm1 | only way is fresh branch | 11:46 |
| Daviey | that's naff | 11:46 |
| superm1 | from what the bzr guys told me | 11:46 |
| superm1 | so once ubiquity is merged upstream, there is going to be a massive branch cleansing | 11:47 |
| Daviey | surely it wouldn't be too hard to automate removal.. | 11:47 |
| Daviey | well i suspect we could just rename the branch to mythbuntu-archieve and start fresh | 11:48 |
| Daviey | brb | 11:48 |
| superm1 | yes | 11:48 |
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| DaveMorris | superm1: you know the review settings part at the end of the installer | 12:19 |
| superm1 | Yes | 12:19 |
| DaveMorris | are we able add in the myth options the user has chosen? | 12:19 |
| superm1 | Yes | 12:19 |
| superm1 | that has been going in and out | 12:20 |
| superm1 | due to some technical reasons | 12:20 |
| superm1 | but normally everything is supposed to be shown | 12:20 |
| superm1 | it normally shows the mysql info | 12:20 |
| superm1 | the plugins picked | 12:20 |
| superm1 | the install type | 12:20 |
| DaveMorris | ok, coz if I know whats meant to be where I can write the docs, for it, even f its not in the ISO already | 12:20 |
| superm1 | the prop drivers | 12:20 |
| superm1 | tv out / tv standard | 12:20 |
| superm1 | it will show the mythweb password and root mysql password | 12:21 |
| superm1 | and vnc, openssh, samba, and nfs options eventually too | 12:21 |
| DaveMorris | superm1: installer crashed :( | 12:21 |
| superm1 | on the 0622? | 12:22 |
| superm1 | or the 0620 | 12:22 |
| DaveMorris | yes | 12:22 |
| DaveMorris | 622 | 12:22 |
| superm1 | damn. on that summary page? | 12:22 |
| DaveMorris | yea | 12:22 |
| superm1 | well that means that the change i was hoping to overcome the technical problem before didnt work | 12:22 |
| superm1 | something about textwrap? | 12:22 |
| superm1 | not being defined | 12:22 |
| DaveMorris | yes | 12:22 |
| DaveMorris | you want it paste binned? | 12:22 |
| superm1 | yes please | 12:22 |
| superm1 | that would be very good | 12:23 |
| superm1 | i've got a pretty good idea what it should be, but the error will help for sure | 12:23 |
| DaveMorris | http://pastebin.com/934367 | 12:24 |
| superm1 | yup thats pretty much what i expected | 12:26 |
| superm1 | should be a quick fix when I get home | 12:26 |
| superm1 | thx | 12:27 |
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