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DBetaHello01:07
superm1Hi DBeta01:08
DBetaI'm attempting to run Mythbuntu live. But it's being a pain.01:08
superm1run it in live mode?01:09
DBetaI get "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"01:09
DBetaOff the CD01:09
superm1which ISO are you using?01:09
DBetaThe one that is on the mythbuntu download page... let me check01:09
DBetaMythbuntu-7.04~070603-i386.iso01:10
superm1Well thats a bit of an odd error for the feisty based one.01:10
DBetaYeah, the bash prompt turns to (initramfs), which I think is just the base one when the OS isn't really running01:11
superm1is this in a VM/01:11
superm1or on a real machine?01:11
DBetaReal machine01:11
DBetaA 800mhrz emachine(AKA Kinda old)01:12
superm1could you by chance try it in a VM?01:12
superm1or on another machine01:12
superm1to compare results01:12
superm1and then to rule out bad burn/bad download etc01:12
DBetaI think I have qemu installed on this machine01:12
superm1virtual box is a little easier to use imo01:13
DBetaWait, I'll throw it in my other-other computer, and see what it comes up with01:13
superm1k01:13
DBetaI can't try graphical safe mode because it seems the mobo doesn't like USB keyboards, and it has to wait for the OS to poll for it01:17
superm1doesn't work in normal mode?01:17
DBetaThe other-other machine is still booting01:18
superm1ah01:18
DBetaThe CD drive was disconnected01:19
DBetaBoots on the other-othewr machine01:19
superm1so any non standard hardware on this 800mhz emachine?01:20
DBetaNo, far more normal than the other-other machine.01:20
superm1or maybe a dying CD drive?01:20
superm1(more likely)01:20
DBetaI doubt it. Mythknopixs installed fine01:21
DBeta(Except X11 problems)01:21
DBetaIt was just misdetecting graphical modes01:21
DBetaWhich might be related01:21
superm1well if your dropped to that initramfs prompt01:21
superm1thats before the kernel is even fully loaded01:21
superm1so that would lead me to believe it to be read errors on the disk01:22
DBetaWell, the CD drive doesn't seem to be having problems(No rev ups then dies) and the CD works in other machines01:24
DBetaAnd the drive didn't have a problem launching Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe 101:24
DBetaI'd just install 7.10, but it seems Myth isn't in the reposity01:25
DBetarepository**01:25
DBetaThere was some "Select your OS" setting in the bios, let me try playing with that01:26
DBetaHey... I turned on USB legacy mode and all of the sudden I could go through the boot menu to start in graphical safe mode01:28
DBetaLets see how that does...01:28
DBetaGraphical safe mode didn't work either...01:29
DBetaI'm booting the CD checker01:31
DBetaArg, even the CD checker errored01:31
DBetaIsn't there a text installer?01:32
superm1no text installer01:45
superm1all of our focus is around the graphical for now01:45
superm1myth should be in the gutsy repo01:46
DBetaI searched it from the live CD and didn't get it01:46
DBetaWait, is it in the standard or the normally disabed univerals?01:47
DBetaOr whichever one is normally disabed01:47
superm1multiverse01:47
superm1actually01:47
DBetaIs that the one that needs to be enabled?01:48
superm1Yup01:48
superm1universe and multiverse01:48
DBetaAhh, thats probably why I didn't see it.01:48
DBetaTime to try 7.10 again01:48
superm1ah that reminds me.  keescook ping01:49
DBetaWhat?01:50
superm1i wanted to remind keescook to look over my next set of changes on the mythtv / mythplugins packages01:51
superm1for gutsy01:51
DBetaWhat's new in gutsy? I haven't looked up the info on it.01:53
keescookah-ha! perfect timing.  :)01:53
keescooklet me bzr up01:53
superm1DBeta, newer 0.20-fixes checkout and misc packaging related fixes01:55
DBetaSo nothing big, like 6.10-7.04?01:56
superm1well depends what you define as "big"01:56
superm1because there were a few big packaging changes01:56
superm1that really helped mysql problems01:56
superm1feature wise the packages are the same though (as new features aren't introduced to 0.20-fixes)01:56
keescooksuperm1: I need to grab a new orig.tar.gz from somewhere, yes?01:56
superm1keescook, not this time!01:57
superm1:)01:57
superm1debian/ rules get-orig-tar01:57
keescookah-ha!01:57
DBetaI really should label my discs better01:58
superm1er "debian/rules get-orig-source"01:58
keescooksuperm1: found that, yeah.  :)01:58
superm1i added it to both mythtv and mythplugins01:58
keescookvery nice.01:58
keescooksuperm1: did you push your mythplugins updates?  I'm still seeing rev9 as current?02:03
superm110 is the current02:03
superm1and its pushed02:03
superm1at least according to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu02:03
keescook  parent branch: sftp://keescook@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu/02:03
keescook$ bzr up02:04
keescookTree is up to date at revision 9.02:04
keescook ??02:04
superm1bzr pull perhaps?02:04
superm1oh but you have a parent branch02:04
superm1um02:04
keescooktrying a pull anyway...02:04
keescooksome day I'll understand.  that worked.  :)02:05
superm1haha02:05
superm1yea i dont get bzr myself often02:05
superm1keescook, i was thinking too, can you use variables like i'm using in debian/rules inside debian/control?02:07
superm1because then, can easily make sure that a plugins build never builds on an old mythtv- build02:07
keescookI think only if you do the processing yourself.  There are weird things that general a control from a control.in file02:08
superm1ah02:08
superm1not too big a deal then02:08
superm1okay i've gotta run.  i have my ghost on, superm1_ so leave a note with any complications you see :)02:09
keescookokay, so far, looks very nice!  :)02:09
superm1great!.  cu02:10
keescooksuperm1_: the only "odd" thing I see is the gdm theme selection.  shouldn't that just go in the mythbuntu package instead?02:11
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ubotuNew bug: #69651 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Can't rip DVDs in mythdvd" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6965103:20
DBetaReboot time. I'll be back if 7.10 gives me some troubles with myth.03:31
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tuxie_flhey super, what was said about zap2it last night?04:18
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Zentax-WorkHey is anyone around that may be able to help me with an issue in regards to getting MythTV to work with my Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T04:37
Zentax-WorkAm running latest Ubuntu and have upgraded Kernel to 2.6.20-16-generic04:38
tuxie_flnope, i am using knoppmyth04:42
Zentax-WorkWe tried MythDora with the same result.04:42
Zentax-WorkWhat card are you using? the same one?04:42
tuxie_flhappauge 15004:42
Zentax-WorkAny reason u went knoppmyth and not compile manually or MythDora etc??04:42
Zentax-WorkWe have been trying this for days. And knoppmyth is the only thing we have yet to try.04:43
Zentax-WorkJust spent a good couple of hours installing ubuntu and getting MythTV packages up and going.. to now find our card is still not detected by MythTV04:43
tuxie_fli used ubuntu and install all the binaries, but configuring it all was beyond me04:43
tuxie_fli installed knoppmyth and it works right off the disk, practically no setup04:43
Zentax-WorkAhh k04:44
Zentax-WorkWe might have to try that as the last resort.04:44
tuxie_fltry it.  it boots automatically, setsd up the sql db, detected my card04:45
Zentax-Workyea we might give it a go on a seperate hard disk04:46
tuxie_flgood luck04:46
Zentax-Workits sort of a kicker as we really like the way its been setup via unbuntu04:46
Zentax-Work*ubuntu.04:46
Zentax-Workeven if the setup was a pain04:46
Zentax-WorkYea i will.. ill still idle here incase anyone else in here has a suggestion that might help04:46
Zentax-Workin the mean time we will try knoppmyth on a seperate hard disk and see how we go04:46
tuxie_flwatching law and order here04:46
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keescooksuperm1_: everything looks great, I'm going to upload 'em.  :)05:19
keescookwtf?!05:51
keescookmythplugins_0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the05:51
keescookarchive. 0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 <= 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu105:51
keescookI swear I checked that before.05:52
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keescooksuperm1_: greaat.  so 0.20+fixes13716 > 0.20-svn20070523  but  0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 < 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1   *bang head on desk*06:45
OpenMedia:)06:49
OpenMediaI know your pain.06:49
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superm1_huh keescook ?  i'm a bit confused08:20
superm1_i thought u found the + to be later?08:20
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superm1_keescook, did the same thing happen with the "mythtv" package too?  or just the mythplugins?08:59
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kruulihappy "midsommar" guys! :D09:41
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ubotuNew bug: #113889 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Ubuntu needs the Liberation Fonts" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388902:06
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Xenocidesuperm1,  ya there?02:36
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DaveMorriswhat are we licencing scripts under?  "GPL2" or "GPL2 or later" ?04:02
DaveMorrisalso did you want the docs under the main mythbuntu branch or seperate ?04:08
superm1DaveMorris, sep04:18
superm1GPL2 or later i'd say04:18
DaveMorrisand the bzr stuff? or does sep mean seperate04:19
superm1seperate04:19
superm1that main bzr branch has grown unbearably large04:20
superm1as is04:20
lagai'll get an upgrade to 16mbit/s soon04:20
superm1i'm quite jealous of that04:21
superm1stuck with 5mbit/s here04:21
lagaonly 768kbit/s up :(04:21
lagai'll do the mythweb stuff tonight.04:23
lagaas soon as i get ouf of this meeting04:23
rogue780aw shucks guys. I still use my US Robotics 56.6K serial modem from time to time when comcast dies.04:24
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DaveMorriswho did the orginal artwork on the mythbuntu site?04:24
lagarogue780: i'm not that addicted :)04:25
DaveMorrisDaviey: was it you ^^04:27
Davieyme04:27
DavieyI did the blue ubuntu logo, with the mythtv logo04:28
DaveMorrisCan I have a copy done with a width of 100mm ?? The current one blown up looks shit04:28
Davieynp04:29
Davieyi can give you the src04:29
DaveMorriswhat licence are the docs going to be under?04:46
lagaMS EULA04:47
DaveMorrisheh04:47
DaveMorrisand how can we show that the images are under a free licence?04:49
DaveMorrishmm, latest mythbuntu cd is slow at loading, seems to be hung up after04:57
DaveMorrisACPI: Unable to load the System Description Tables04:57
DaveMorrismoving along now :)04:57
superm1DaveMorris, i'm hoping that one the installer works.  i generated it last night, but haven't had time to try it05:00
superm1it supposedly has a newer glib05:01
superm1which will make life better05:01
superm1keescook, I just committed revno 41 and 11 for mythtv/mythplugins05:10
superm1they should have the version number fixed05:10
Davieysuperm1: you're aware mythbuntu-7.10~070621-i386.iso is only 11Meg?05:20
DaveMorrisit worked05:26
DaveMorrisbtw the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu"05:28
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superm1Daviey, I am now.  It appears that debootstrap couldn't grab a package from a mirror (mksquashfs)05:49
superm1so here we go again :)05:50
DaveMorrissuperm1:  the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu"05:50
superm1keescook, re those version number changes, 0.20.1 was announced at some point informally05:50
superm1ah right DaveMorris05:50
superm1I can't make commit changes atm(at work), so if someone wants to update the build script for that05:51
superm1feel free05:51
Daviey"Whoever smelt it dealt it"05:52
lagao_O05:54
keescooksuperm1: okay, cool.  what'd you do to fix up the versioning?05:58
superm1keescook, 0.20+fixes -> 0.20.1+fixes05:59
superm1so i added a minor revision number to the debian/rules get-orig-source05:59
superm1so when there are releases with minor that variable is valid05:59
superm1and when there aren't, you comment out the tline05:59
superm1and an ifneq will take it out06:00
keescooksuperm1: ah! nice.  yeah, flipping that bit should over-ride the problems we were seeing.06:01
keescooknice, I'll re-up and do another build/upload.  thanks!06:01
superm1I did a dpkg --compare-versions with it, and it appears alright06:01
superm1do you know why that was happening before though when a debian revision was attached?06:01
superm1it makes no sense.06:01
lagawhy does mythplugins build-depend on libmyth-dev (>= 0.20-0.2)?06:22
lagai'm sure libmyth-0.20-dev would work as well :P06:22
superm1laga, there was that name change06:26
superm1that we had06:26
superm1because libmyth-0.20-dev couldn't be installed side by side with say libmyth-0.21-dev06:27
lagasuperm1: i know... i'm building current mythplugins from bzr against libmyth-0.20-dev and i get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmyth-0.20.106:27
lagasuperm1: i know, but you can still build against it. well, unless you get weird errors like i do06:27
superm1laga, you likely need to have a current libmyth-dev then06:28
superm1installed06:28
superm1laga, is that your trunk branch or adding the changes to the normal mythplugins branch?06:34
DaveMorrissuperm1: the screen shots at http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/ are they the standard install?06:46
superm1DaveMorris, thats an advanced install06:47
superm1standard takes out the plugins and type of install pages06:47
superm1and themes06:47
superm1the additional drivers page has changed a bit06:47
superm1as has the passwords page06:47
superm1but those can easily be updated06:48
DaveMorriswell hopefully it'll just require some new pics06:48
superm1the passwords page will need a little discussion likely06:48
superm1but 2/3 of its dependent on laga's changes for mythweb and mysql root password, so its not active yet06:48
superm1DaveMorris, the additional drivers page includes a little detection mechanism that you can mention though.  when that checkbox is hit, it will determine if you have an nvidia or ati card06:49
superm1and indicate which driver gets installed06:50
DaveMorrisdoes the standard install do a fe/bed on 1 system?06:50
superm1yes06:50
DaveMorrisso the advanced is also what you want if you just want a BE06:51
superm1yup06:53
lagasuperm1: it's the normal mythplugins branch06:54
superm1ah laga, then you need to have the mythtv normal branch built06:54
superm1(so against that it has to be done)06:54
lagasuperm1: ok, will do that06:54
superm1laga, are you buliding in pbuilder/sbuild or something similar?06:55
superm1or just dpkg-buildpackage06:55
lagadpkg-buildpackage06:55
lagahaven't set up pbuilder yet06:55
superm1ah k06:55
lagaalthough i should06:55
superm1well once you start using pbuilder, there are a few extra things you'll have to do06:55
superm1to set up hooks to properly use already built packages in the chroot06:56
lagais that documented somewhere? i could setup pbuilder now06:56
superm1um i'm sure it is, because I would have needed to know how to do it at some point :)06:57
superm1but i'm not sure where I came across it06:57
lagai'll google then06:57
lagahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e51532fca6153405af36a03364e03803e99edcf06:58
laga^^ superm1 ?06:58
superm1well that should work, but its not the way i was referring to06:58
superm1there is a hook setup06:58
lagausing pbuilder makes more sense since i'm still on edgy06:59
superm1make a directory /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks/gutsy06:59
superm1and in it a file called D70results07:00
superm1with these contents07:00
superm1http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26753/07:00
superm1that line /var/cache/pbuilder/result/gutsy07:00
superm1can be changed to whereever you're going to keep results07:00
laga /var/cache should be OK for now07:01
superm1well the normal location (by default) is /var/cache/pbuilder/result07:01
superm1i put mine in a gutsy subdirectory because i have pbuilders for dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy07:01
lagai hope pbuilder in edgy can bootstrap gutsy07:02
lagayes, i used to have pbuilders for different distributions, too07:02
superm1i dont know if you need a newer pbuilder to do it07:02
superm1you can easily get one07:02
lagayup07:02
lagaused to do that, too07:02
lagait's been a while, though07:02
lagai'll find a solution :) thanks for that hook script!07:02
superm1yup, just make sure you remember to enable it in your pbuilderrc07:03
lagai used to have my own small repository when i still had a local server. it was a bit too flakey, though :(07:04
superm1that hook script will also make sure you always install the latest version of packages07:04
superm1so no need to update the pbuilder env07:04
superm1(unless you want faster builds)07:04
lagawhy do the mythtv packages build-depend on ccache? it's no use in pbuilder AFAIK07:05
superm1thats a good point07:05
superm1i dont know if its of any use on the buildds either07:05
superm1i'm trying to think why we enabled it last year07:05
lagahttp://people.warp.es/~isaac/blog/index.php/ccache-pbuilder-3307:07
laga^^ it can be used, though07:07
superm1ooh pretty07:08
superm1i can fill up my drive now with ccached messes :)07:08
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superm1ideally i'd like to set up a buildd like thing at home07:12
superm1that I can submit .changes files to, have it build and spit back out into a repository that I can use rather than having to manually dpkg -i each file07:12
lagajust cron dput or something?07:13
superm1well the problem is that pbuilder needs root07:13
lagamy setup would scan one directory regularly and create a repository from it07:13
superm1well falcon does that07:13
lagayup07:13
superm1its not too big a deal, but i'd like to use my extra machine07:14
superm1to do this sort of thing for me07:14
superm1because it can do it for both amd64 and i386 then07:14
superm1if everything is setup right07:14
lagasounds sensible07:15
lagai tend to use VMs for that kind of stuff07:15
lagaalthough i wish i'd be easier to move virtualbox vms. seems to be rather complicated07:15
superm1so at some point when things are dying down with ubiquity and mythbuntu and all this other tsuff07:15
lagai'll have to investiagte07:15
superm1i'll get that setup07:15
lagainvestigate*07:15
lagayup07:15
lagai need to get lots of stuff done first before i can do fun things :)07:16
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laga:'(07:16
lagathat's what i meant by "lots of stuff done first" ;)07:17
superm1ah good :)07:17
superm1haha07:17
laganow that i think about it, i'll definitely try the ccache hook.07:19
lagawaiting $ages just because of a debconf change seems annoying07:19
superm1another idea i've toyed with is installing a lot of those dependencies right in the chroot07:19
superm1because they are pretty static at this point07:19
superm1but i cant justify it because i go to other packages07:20
superm1a lot too07:20
lagaheh :)07:21
superm1now ccache can take up quite a bit of space if you let it can't it07:21
superm1like upwards of 3-4 gigs07:21
lagathe pbuilderhowto in the wiki tells me to modify the new pbuilderrc altough the "pbuilder-gutsy" script already overrides most variables07:22
lagai plan on buying a new 500G disk for this box :)07:22
superm1well not sure what the ideal way to go is. with that07:22
superm1i have seperate pbuilderrc's07:23
superm1for gutsy edgy feisty and dapper07:23
superm1and seperate base images for each too07:23
lagayup07:23
lagathe wiki proposes that idea, too07:23
lagai'll just use that script07:24
DaveMorriswhat does HTPC stand for in the installer?07:46
superm1Home Theater Personal Computer07:48
rogue780laga, it's not an addiction if you need it ;)07:48
rogue780what's the command to edit ivtv driver settings?07:51
superm1ivtvctl ?07:51
rogue780no...oh well07:53
rogue780Hauppauge just told me to verify my windows volume control settings07:54
rogue780well, I'm going to call them since e-mail is slow07:54
superm1Daviey, the ISO generated now07:56
DaveMorrishmm  docs take forever to write :(07:57
rogue780#877207:57
rogue780err oops07:57
DaveMorrissuperm1: how can I create a new branch?07:57
superm1DaveMorris, bzr init07:57
superm1inside your directory07:57
superm1followed by bzr push URL07:57
superm1where URL is where your going to push it07:57
DaveMorrisand what url should I use?07:57
superm1hmum07:57
superm1something along the lines of sftp://USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/documentation07:58
superm1where USER is your launchpad user07:58
DaveMorrisI think I might need to register a key as well :)07:59
superm1ah yes07:59
superm1are you going to generate the html and pdf right in it, or just the latex and leave that as a responsibility on mythbuntu.org?08:02
DaveMorrishow do I add files to the branch onces its created08:02
DaveMorristhey'll be generated by a make file08:02
superm1bzr add08:02
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superm1so will mythbuntu.org be running this make command?08:03
superm1or are you going to do it as part of the branch though08:03
DaveMorrisyeah mytbuntu can do  bzr update08:03
DaveMorristhen a make install08:03
superm1make sure to do bzr ignore locally08:04
superm1to make sure that you don't accidently include those files then08:04
rogue780I think I may have just done a first. anyone here ever have a scissor jam in your printer?08:05
superm1keescook, is there a mailing list that archive admins post to regarding issues with source packages in the queue, or do they contact directly to the person listed as maintainer?08:08
keescookgenerally they contact people directly, or use a bug report.  whatcha lookin' for?08:09
superm1well libhdhomerun is sitting at the end still, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=40 I know there were binary NEW source packages uploaded after it that have already cleared08:10
superm1so i wasn't sure what the big hold up was08:10
superm1and didnt want to poke the admins if there was somewhere they list these sorts of things08:10
superm1there is a new version that silicon dust just let me know about to get packaged up, but I wanted to wait for this to clear before I bothered08:11
DaveMorrissuperm1: well its in the bzr now if you wanted to have a look08:13
superm1DaveMorris, did you push it up?08:13
superm1you need to bzr commit08:14
superm1followed by bzr push08:14
DaveMorrisoh, I did a commi08:15
superm1if you attach it directly to that parent branch at bazaar.launchpad.net, you can bzr commit directly08:16
superm1without needing to push08:16
DaveMorrishow do I do that?08:16
superm1um08:16
superm1man bzr.  i'm not sure ;)08:16
DaveMorrisare you able to grab the branch though?08:19
superm1i just saw it on launchpad.net08:19
superm1that it existed08:19
superm1but no commits were made yet08:19
DaveMorriswell I've got a pushed up revison 2 message08:21
superm1ah yes08:22
superm1i see it08:22
superm1you included the pdf08:22
DaveMorrisdid I08:22
superm1oh no08:23
DaveMorriswas it the latexsheet.pdf 1?08:23
superm1its a cheat sheet :)08:23
DaveMorrisyeah, I thought I'd be nice08:23
superm1ah good and that README describes exactly what is needed to build it08:24
superm1very good08:24
DaveMorrisI may have missed a package out08:24
DaveMorriscan you try it for me at some point08:24
superm1well i'll try to add it to mythbuntu.org tonight08:24
superm1and see08:24
DaveMorrissuperm1: its not read for thaty08:24
DaveMorrisI've only done about 15%08:24
superm1www.mythbuntu.org/documentation ?08:25
superm1oh ok08:25
DaveMorrisI just wanted to get it under SC and this way you can see whats produced, and see if your happy with it08:25
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superm1ah very good.  I'll build it tonight then08:26
superm1good excuse to get exposed to some LaTeX stuff08:26
DaveMorrisyep08:26
superm1all images have to be eps?08:26
superm1cant take in jpg/png?08:26
DaveMorrisnope, not thet way I've done it08:27
DaveMorrisbtw the PDF version is a lot nicer than the html IMO08:27
DaveMorrisgimp can easily convert to eps though08:27
superm1now what you can do so you dont have to do make clean before uploading08:28
superm1is bzr ignore FILE08:28
superm1for any file you dont want to ever upload08:28
superm1this will create a .bzrignore file08:28
superm1in the root of the branch08:28
superm1so bzr add .bzrignore, and then the next commit will make sure that they never get uploaded by anyone08:29
DaveMorrisok, can you use wildcards?08:29
superm1um08:31
superm1try it and see :)08:31
DaveMorriswell I've done it08:31
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superm1:)08:35
DaveMorrisfixed it now :)08:35
superm1Ok I'm going to need to be running off to my meeting a bit early.  I'll try to make it back in time for the forums meeting, but I can't guarantee i do08:36
DaveMorrisforums meeting?08:36
superm1at 20:00 UTC08:36
superm1https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda08:37
superm1for requesting our subforum08:37
DaveMorrisahhh08:37
superm1if you and/or Daviey can attend to answer any questions they have08:38
superm1you've got a pretty good feel for what the forum would be used for and such08:38
lagai have almost 2000 postings on mythtvtalk. "those forums will be used for whining" ;)08:38
lagaj/k08:38
superm1haha08:38
superm1laga, your going too right?08:39
lagasuperm1: when is it?08:39
superm120:00 UTC08:39
superm1about an hour from now08:39
lagaah, thanks08:39
lagastill struggling with the GF *sigh*08:39
superm1gotta run though. hopefully things come up well with it :)08:39
lagai just want one fscking night off08:39
lagayup :)08:40
DaveMorrisone night off from her?08:40
lagayes08:40
lagaif i introduced a sexual connotation in there, it was *not* done intentionally08:40
DaveMorriswhats wrong with that then?  And can see read English?08:40
lagayes, she can read english. but she complains about my typing being too loud ;)08:42
DaveMorriscan't see go out with her friends 1 night a week then?08:43
lagashe's caught a cold, no going out then08:44
lagayou know08:44
lagathis always evolves quickly into the "you don't love me anymore" kind of stuff08:44
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DaveMorrisI've got to start doing my Masters soon, so less time for mythbuntu then :(08:45
laga:(08:46
lagai have like two or three months off now08:46
DaveMorristhing is I wanna get my Masters done ASAP so I can leave for more money :)08:47
laga<3 money08:47
DaveMorrisprehaps someone can hire me to work full time on mythbuntu :)08:47
lagasuperm1: building mythtv in pbuilder now. i'm excited. ;)08:52
lagai guess i should make a gutsy VM08:52
DaveMorrisDaviey: PM09:19
DaveMorrisis mythweb the only backend plugin available atm?09:31
lagaif you wanna call it a plugin: yes09:31
lagawell, user jobs might count as backend plugins as well :P09:32
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DaveMorrislaga Do you know if any of the plugins require extra input from the user?09:52
lagaum09:53
lagawhat kind of input?09:53
DaveMorrisfound it, like mythtv input :)09:55
lagawhat is mythtv input?09:56
laga<- confused :)09:56
DaveMorrissorry09:56
DaveMorrismythweb, they are asked to enter a password09:56
lagauh, in debconf, eg when installing the package, or when using them?09:57
lagathe password is optional, btw09:57
DaveMorriswhen installing09:58
DaveMorrisI'm confused about the mysql password09:58
DaveMorrisis that the password I'm gonna set the db up with, or the password of the database I want to connect to?09:59
lagait's the only package coming from the mythplugins source package that'll require user input upon install. if they have the appropriate  debconf priority level set.09:59
lagaum09:59
lagai suppose it asks you for the mysql root password. the mysql password for "mythtv" is a random one afaik10:00
DaveMorrishmm, the install docs are gonna be big :)10:21
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laganice :)10:23
lagai wish i knew why mythweb.postinst doesn't exit properly :(10:23
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DaveMorris!logs10:36
ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs10:36
DaveMorrishmmm, the installer wouldn't quit for me10:40
lagaDaveMorris: where?10:42
lagadear virtualbox.10:42
lagaplease suck less.10:42
lagalove, michael10:43
DaveMorrisno, this was on a real machine10:43
lagayeah, but i'm having trouble with virtualbox10:43
DaveMorrisI got to the parationer, then hit back all the way, then tried to quit and it just locked up10:43
lagait tends to freeze when i perform this "acpi shutdown" thingy10:43
DaveMorrissuperm1: are we able to add the plugins and mythoptions the user choose to the review section at the end of the install?11:02
DaveMorrishmm latest installer crashed11:11
superm1Ok Back11:19
superm1looks like we got +1's for the forum11:19
superm1very good, nothing was even to it11:19
superm1DaveMorris, which ISO?11:19
lagadarn11:19
superm1the very latest (as in generated today)?11:20
lagai missed the meeting :'(11:20
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lagamythweb.postinst won't hang if apache_reload() is not called.11:23
superm1why is that making it hang?11:24
lagai never had to use profanity before i started dealing with computers and cable companies, you know that?11:24
lagasuperm1: i have yet to find out11:24
DaveMorris07062011:26
lagai read that debconf can get confused when daemons are spawned, but using "db_stop" should fix that problem11:27
superm1DaveMorris, can you grab the one from today11:29
superm107062211:29
superm1it should have the newer glib11:29
superm1laga wasn't apache_reload() already being done though?11:30
DaveMorrisis that the 11MB one?11:31
superm1Nope11:31
superm1381 or so11:31
superm1http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/mythbuntu-7.10~070622-i386.iso11:32
lagasuperm1: no, it was only called once *before* enable_auth was called. i've changed that now11:32
DaveMorriswell the error I had was DebconfError(10, "ubiquity/install/drivers dosen't exist")11:33
superm1DaveMorris, yea11:33
superm1there was a typo11:33
superm1forgot a space11:33
DaveMorrishehe11:33
superm1:)11:33
DaveMorrisDo you know what the difference is between all the PAL formats on offer during the install?11:34
superm1na.  just took them all right from the readme on nvidia's site11:34
lagaum11:36
lagaadd a country list? :)11:36
DaveMorrisprehaps11:38
DaveMorrismy g/f will be here in a mo so l8r guys11:38
lagai managed to get another hour off ;)11:38
superm1okay cu DaveMorris11:38
superm1i'll let you know how the docs Makefile works11:38
DaveMorrisI'm just about to commit the other stuff I;ve done11:39
DaveMorrisbtw whats the bzr dance for checking in?11:41
superm1bzr commit;  bzr push11:41
DaveMorrisno need to update to see others changes?11:42
lagayay yay11:42
lagaall worky now11:42
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superm1um, there is a bzr pull and bzr update too11:42
superm1but i'm still a bit confused how to make it all work properly11:42
superm1i had to merge changes once11:42
superm1with bzr merge11:42
DaveMorrisfun11:42
superm1its on the "todo"11:42
superm1to figure out :)11:42
superm1laga, what'd you have to do?11:43
lagasuperm1: i moved that restart apache call to the end of the file11:43
superm1ah11:43
Davieybzr add is another special move :)11:44
superm1i learned how to use 'bzr mv'11:45
lagaoh, i made another (rather meaningless) change. let's try without that one11:45
superm1its a pretty neat thing too11:45
Davieywhat does it do?11:45
superm1moves a bzr directory11:45
superm1well a directory11:45
superm1within a bzr branch11:45
lagaheh11:45
Davieymv $old $new ?11:45
lagawas just gonna say :)11:45
Davieyahh i see; within a branch11:46
superm1yea its like a smart move11:46
superm1because bzr isn't smart enough to know that you moved something otherwise11:46
superm1it would appear11:46
Davieyworked out how to dump old revisions?11:46
superm1can't11:46
superm1only way is fresh branch11:46
Davieythat's naff11:46
superm1from what the bzr guys told me11:46
superm1so once ubiquity is merged upstream, there is going to be a massive branch cleansing11:47
Davieysurely it wouldn't be too hard to automate removal..11:47
Davieywell i suspect we could just rename the branch to mythbuntu-archieve and start fresh11:48
Davieybrb11:48
superm1yes11:48
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DaveMorrissuperm1: you know the review settings part at the end of the installer12:19
superm1Yes12:19
DaveMorrisare we able add in the myth options the user has chosen?12:19
superm1Yes12:19
superm1that has been going in and out12:20
superm1due to some technical reasons12:20
superm1but normally everything is supposed to be shown12:20
superm1it normally shows the mysql info12:20
superm1the plugins picked12:20
superm1the install type12:20
DaveMorrisok, coz if I know whats meant to be where I can write the docs, for it, even f its not in the ISO already12:20
superm1the prop drivers12:20
superm1tv out / tv standard12:20
superm1it will show the mythweb password and root mysql password12:21
superm1and vnc, openssh, samba, and nfs options eventually too12:21
DaveMorrissuperm1: installer crashed :(12:21
superm1on the 0622?12:22
superm1or the 062012:22
DaveMorrisyes12:22
DaveMorris62212:22
superm1damn.  on that summary page?12:22
DaveMorrisyea12:22
superm1well that means that the change i was hoping to overcome the technical problem before didnt work12:22
superm1something about textwrap?12:22
superm1not being defined12:22
DaveMorrisyes12:22
DaveMorrisyou want it paste binned?12:22
superm1yes please12:22
superm1that would be very good12:23
superm1i've got a pretty good idea what it should be, but the error will help for sure12:23
DaveMorrishttp://pastebin.com/93436712:24
superm1yup thats pretty much what i expected12:26
superm1should be a quick fix when I get home12:26
superm1thx12:27

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