[01:07] <DBeta> Hello
[01:08] <superm1> Hi DBeta
[01:08] <DBeta> I'm attempting to run Mythbuntu live. But it's being a pain.
[01:09] <superm1> run it in live mode?
[01:09] <DBeta> I get "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[01:09] <DBeta> Off the CD
[01:09] <superm1> which ISO are you using?
[01:09] <DBeta> The one that is on the mythbuntu download page... let me check
[01:10] <DBeta> Mythbuntu-7.04~070603-i386.iso
[01:10] <superm1> Well thats a bit of an odd error for the feisty based one.
[01:11] <DBeta> Yeah, the bash prompt turns to (initramfs), which I think is just the base one when the OS isn't really running
[01:11] <superm1> is this in a VM/
[01:11] <superm1> or on a real machine?
[01:11] <DBeta> Real machine
[01:12] <DBeta> A 800mhrz emachine(AKA Kinda old)
[01:12] <superm1> could you by chance try it in a VM?
[01:12] <superm1> or on another machine
[01:12] <superm1> to compare results
[01:12] <superm1> and then to rule out bad burn/bad download etc
[01:12] <DBeta> I think I have qemu installed on this machine
[01:13] <superm1> virtual box is a little easier to use imo
[01:13] <DBeta> Wait, I'll throw it in my other-other computer, and see what it comes up with
[01:13] <superm1> k
[01:17] <DBeta> I can't try graphical safe mode because it seems the mobo doesn't like USB keyboards, and it has to wait for the OS to poll for it
[01:17] <superm1> doesn't work in normal mode?
[01:18] <DBeta> The other-other machine is still booting
[01:18] <superm1> ah
[01:19] <DBeta> The CD drive was disconnected
[01:19] <DBeta> Boots on the other-othewr machine
[01:20] <superm1> so any non standard hardware on this 800mhz emachine?
[01:20] <DBeta> No, far more normal than the other-other machine.
[01:20] <superm1> or maybe a dying CD drive?
[01:20] <superm1> (more likely)
[01:21] <DBeta> I doubt it. Mythknopixs installed fine
[01:21] <DBeta> (Except X11 problems)
[01:21] <DBeta> It was just misdetecting graphical modes
[01:21] <DBeta> Which might be related
[01:21] <superm1> well if your dropped to that initramfs prompt
[01:21] <superm1> thats before the kernel is even fully loaded
[01:22] <superm1> so that would lead me to believe it to be read errors on the disk
[01:24] <DBeta> Well, the CD drive doesn't seem to be having problems(No rev ups then dies) and the CD works in other machines
[01:24] <DBeta> And the drive didn't have a problem launching Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe 1
[01:25] <DBeta> I'd just install 7.10, but it seems Myth isn't in the reposity
[01:25] <DBeta> repository**
[01:26] <DBeta> There was some "Select your OS" setting in the bios, let me try playing with that
[01:28] <DBeta> Hey... I turned on USB legacy mode and all of the sudden I could go through the boot menu to start in graphical safe mode
[01:28] <DBeta> Lets see how that does...
[01:29] <DBeta> Graphical safe mode didn't work either...
[01:31] <DBeta> I'm booting the CD checker
[01:31] <DBeta> Arg, even the CD checker errored
[01:32] <DBeta> Isn't there a text installer?
[01:45] <superm1> no text installer
[01:45] <superm1> all of our focus is around the graphical for now
[01:46] <superm1> myth should be in the gutsy repo
[01:46] <DBeta> I searched it from the live CD and didn't get it
[01:47] <DBeta> Wait, is it in the standard or the normally disabed univerals?
[01:47] <DBeta> Or whichever one is normally disabed
[01:47] <superm1> multiverse
[01:47] <superm1> actually
[01:48] <DBeta> Is that the one that needs to be enabled?
[01:48] <superm1> Yup
[01:48] <superm1> universe and multiverse
[01:48] <DBeta> Ahh, thats probably why I didn't see it.
[01:48] <DBeta> Time to try 7.10 again
[01:49] <superm1> ah that reminds me.  keescook ping
[01:50] <DBeta> What?
[01:51] <superm1> i wanted to remind keescook to look over my next set of changes on the mythtv / mythplugins packages
[01:51] <superm1> for gutsy
[01:53] <DBeta> What's new in gutsy? I haven't looked up the info on it.
[01:53] <keescook> ah-ha! perfect timing.  :)
[01:53] <keescook> let me bzr up
[01:55] <superm1> DBeta, newer 0.20-fixes checkout and misc packaging related fixes
[01:56] <DBeta> So nothing big, like 6.10-7.04?
[01:56] <superm1> well depends what you define as "big"
[01:56] <superm1> because there were a few big packaging changes
[01:56] <superm1> that really helped mysql problems
[01:56] <superm1> feature wise the packages are the same though (as new features aren't introduced to 0.20-fixes)
[01:56] <keescook> superm1: I need to grab a new orig.tar.gz from somewhere, yes?
[01:57] <superm1> keescook, not this time!
[01:57] <superm1> :)
[01:57] <superm1> debian/ rules get-orig-tar
[01:57] <keescook> ah-ha!
[01:58] <DBeta> I really should label my discs better
[01:58] <superm1> er "debian/rules get-orig-source"
[01:58] <keescook> superm1: found that, yeah.  :)
[01:58] <superm1> i added it to both mythtv and mythplugins
[01:58] <keescook> very nice.
[02:03] <keescook> superm1: did you push your mythplugins updates?  I'm still seeing rev9 as current?
[02:03] <superm1> 10 is the current
[02:03] <superm1> and its pushed
[02:03] <superm1> at least according to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu
[02:03] <keescook>   parent branch: sftp://keescook@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu/
[02:04] <keescook> $ bzr up
[02:04] <keescook> Tree is up to date at revision 9.
[02:04] <keescook>  ??
[02:04] <superm1> bzr pull perhaps?
[02:04] <superm1> oh but you have a parent branch
[02:04] <superm1> um
[02:04] <keescook> trying a pull anyway...
[02:05] <keescook> some day I'll understand.  that worked.  :)
[02:05] <superm1> haha
[02:05] <superm1> yea i dont get bzr myself often
[02:07] <superm1> keescook, i was thinking too, can you use variables like i'm using in debian/rules inside debian/control?
[02:07] <superm1> because then, can easily make sure that a plugins build never builds on an old mythtv- build
[02:08] <keescook> I think only if you do the processing yourself.  There are weird things that general a control from a control.in file
[02:08] <superm1> ah
[02:08] <superm1> not too big a deal then
[02:09] <superm1> okay i've gotta run.  i have my ghost on, superm1_ so leave a note with any complications you see :)
[02:09] <keescook> okay, so far, looks very nice!  :)
[02:10] <superm1> great!.  cu
[02:11] <keescook> superm1_: the only "odd" thing I see is the gdm theme selection.  shouldn't that just go in the mythbuntu package instead?
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #69651 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Can't rip DVDs in mythdvd" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69651
[03:31] <DBeta> Reboot time. I'll be back if 7.10 gives me some troubles with myth.
[04:18] <tuxie_fl> hey super, what was said about zap2it last night?
[04:37] <Zentax-Work> Hey is anyone around that may be able to help me with an issue in regards to getting MythTV to work with my Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T
[04:38] <Zentax-Work> Am running latest Ubuntu and have upgraded Kernel to 2.6.20-16-generic
[04:42] <tuxie_fl> nope, i am using knoppmyth
[04:42] <Zentax-Work> We tried MythDora with the same result.
[04:42] <Zentax-Work> What card are you using? the same one?
[04:42] <tuxie_fl> happauge 150
[04:42] <Zentax-Work> Any reason u went knoppmyth and not compile manually or MythDora etc??
[04:43] <Zentax-Work> We have been trying this for days. And knoppmyth is the only thing we have yet to try.
[04:43] <Zentax-Work> Just spent a good couple of hours installing ubuntu and getting MythTV packages up and going.. to now find our card is still not detected by MythTV
[04:43] <tuxie_fl> i used ubuntu and install all the binaries, but configuring it all was beyond me
[04:43] <tuxie_fl> i installed knoppmyth and it works right off the disk, practically no setup
[04:44] <Zentax-Work> Ahh k
[04:44] <Zentax-Work> We might have to try that as the last resort.
[04:45] <tuxie_fl> try it.  it boots automatically, setsd up the sql db, detected my card
[04:46] <Zentax-Work> yea we might give it a go on a seperate hard disk
[04:46] <tuxie_fl> good luck
[04:46] <Zentax-Work> its sort of a kicker as we really like the way its been setup via unbuntu
[04:46] <Zentax-Work> *ubuntu.
[04:46] <Zentax-Work> even if the setup was a pain
[04:46] <Zentax-Work> Yea i will.. ill still idle here incase anyone else in here has a suggestion that might help
[04:46] <Zentax-Work> in the mean time we will try knoppmyth on a seperate hard disk and see how we go
[04:46] <tuxie_fl> watching law and order here
[05:19] <keescook> superm1_: everything looks great, I'm going to upload 'em.  :)
[05:51] <keescook> wtf?!
[05:51] <keescook> mythplugins_0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the
[05:51] <keescook> archive. 0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 <= 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1
[05:52] <keescook> I swear I checked that before.
[06:45] <keescook> superm1_: greaat.  so 0.20+fixes13716 > 0.20-svn20070523  but  0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 < 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1   *bang head on desk*
[06:49] <OpenMedia> :)
[06:49] <OpenMedia> I know your pain.
[08:20] <superm1_> huh keescook ?  i'm a bit confused
[08:20] <superm1_> i thought u found the + to be later?
[08:59] <superm1_> keescook, did the same thing happen with the "mythtv" package too?  or just the mythplugins?
[09:41] <kruuli> happy "midsommar" guys! :D
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113889 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Ubuntu needs the Liberation Fonts" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113889
[02:36] <Xenocide> superm1,  ya there?
[04:02] <DaveMorris> what are we licencing scripts under?  "GPL2" or "GPL2 or later" ?
[04:08] <DaveMorris> also did you want the docs under the main mythbuntu branch or seperate ?
[04:18] <superm1> DaveMorris, sep
[04:18] <superm1> GPL2 or later i'd say
[04:19] <DaveMorris> and the bzr stuff? or does sep mean seperate
[04:19] <superm1> seperate
[04:20] <superm1> that main bzr branch has grown unbearably large
[04:20] <superm1> as is
[04:20] <laga> i'll get an upgrade to 16mbit/s soon
[04:21] <superm1> i'm quite jealous of that
[04:21] <superm1> stuck with 5mbit/s here
[04:21] <laga> only 768kbit/s up :(
[04:23] <laga> i'll do the mythweb stuff tonight.
[04:23] <laga> as soon as i get ouf of this meeting
[04:24] <rogue780> aw shucks guys. I still use my US Robotics 56.6K serial modem from time to time when comcast dies.
[04:24] <DaveMorris> who did the orginal artwork on the mythbuntu site?
[04:25] <laga> rogue780: i'm not that addicted :)
[04:27] <DaveMorris> Daviey: was it you ^^
[04:27] <Daviey> me
[04:28] <Daviey> I did the blue ubuntu logo, with the mythtv logo
[04:28] <DaveMorris> Can I have a copy done with a width of 100mm ?? The current one blown up looks shit
[04:29] <Daviey> np
[04:29] <Daviey> i can give you the src
[04:46] <DaveMorris> what licence are the docs going to be under?
[04:47] <laga> MS EULA
[04:47] <DaveMorris> heh
[04:49] <DaveMorris> and how can we show that the images are under a free licence?
[04:57] <DaveMorris> hmm, latest mythbuntu cd is slow at loading, seems to be hung up after
[04:57] <DaveMorris> ACPI: Unable to load the System Description Tables
[04:57] <DaveMorris> moving along now :)
[05:00] <superm1> DaveMorris, i'm hoping that one the installer works.  i generated it last night, but haven't had time to try it
[05:01] <superm1> it supposedly has a newer glib
[05:01] <superm1> which will make life better
[05:10] <superm1> keescook, I just committed revno 41 and 11 for mythtv/mythplugins
[05:10] <superm1> they should have the version number fixed
[05:20] <Daviey> superm1: you're aware mythbuntu-7.10~070621-i386.iso is only 11Meg?
[05:26] <DaveMorris> it worked
[05:28] <DaveMorris> btw the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu"
[05:49] <superm1> Daviey, I am now.  It appears that debootstrap couldn't grab a package from a mirror (mksquashfs)
[05:50] <superm1> so here we go again :)
[05:50] <DaveMorris> superm1:  the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu"
[05:50] <superm1> keescook, re those version number changes, 0.20.1 was announced at some point informally
[05:50] <superm1> ah right DaveMorris
[05:51] <superm1> I can't make commit changes atm(at work), so if someone wants to update the build script for that
[05:51] <superm1> feel free
[05:52] <Daviey> "Whoever smelt it dealt it"
[05:54] <laga> o_O
[05:58] <keescook> superm1: okay, cool.  what'd you do to fix up the versioning?
[05:59] <superm1> keescook, 0.20+fixes -> 0.20.1+fixes
[05:59] <superm1> so i added a minor revision number to the debian/rules get-orig-source
[05:59] <superm1> so when there are releases with minor that variable is valid
[05:59] <superm1> and when there aren't, you comment out the tline
[06:00] <superm1> and an ifneq will take it out
[06:01] <keescook> superm1: ah! nice.  yeah, flipping that bit should over-ride the problems we were seeing.
[06:01] <keescook> nice, I'll re-up and do another build/upload.  thanks!
[06:01] <superm1> I did a dpkg --compare-versions with it, and it appears alright
[06:01] <superm1> do you know why that was happening before though when a debian revision was attached?
[06:01] <superm1> it makes no sense.
[06:22] <laga> why does mythplugins build-depend on libmyth-dev (>= 0.20-0.2)?
[06:22] <laga> i'm sure libmyth-0.20-dev would work as well :P
[06:26] <superm1> laga, there was that name change
[06:26] <superm1> that we had
[06:27] <superm1> because libmyth-0.20-dev couldn't be installed side by side with say libmyth-0.21-dev
[06:27] <laga> superm1: i know... i'm building current mythplugins from bzr against libmyth-0.20-dev and i get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmyth-0.20.1
[06:27] <laga> superm1: i know, but you can still build against it. well, unless you get weird errors like i do
[06:28] <superm1> laga, you likely need to have a current libmyth-dev then
[06:28] <superm1> installed
[06:34] <superm1> laga, is that your trunk branch or adding the changes to the normal mythplugins branch?
[06:46] <DaveMorris> superm1: the screen shots at http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/ are they the standard install?
[06:47] <superm1> DaveMorris, thats an advanced install
[06:47] <superm1> standard takes out the plugins and type of install pages
[06:47] <superm1> and themes
[06:47] <superm1> the additional drivers page has changed a bit
[06:47] <superm1> as has the passwords page
[06:48] <superm1> but those can easily be updated
[06:48] <DaveMorris> well hopefully it'll just require some new pics
[06:48] <superm1> the passwords page will need a little discussion likely
[06:48] <superm1> but 2/3 of its dependent on laga's changes for mythweb and mysql root password, so its not active yet
[06:49] <superm1> DaveMorris, the additional drivers page includes a little detection mechanism that you can mention though.  when that checkbox is hit, it will determine if you have an nvidia or ati card
[06:50] <superm1> and indicate which driver gets installed
[06:50] <DaveMorris> does the standard install do a fe/bed on 1 system?
[06:50] <superm1> yes
[06:51] <DaveMorris> so the advanced is also what you want if you just want a BE
[06:53] <superm1> yup
[06:54] <laga> superm1: it's the normal mythplugins branch
[06:54] <superm1> ah laga, then you need to have the mythtv normal branch built
[06:54] <superm1> (so against that it has to be done)
[06:54] <laga> superm1: ok, will do that
[06:55] <superm1> laga, are you buliding in pbuilder/sbuild or something similar?
[06:55] <superm1> or just dpkg-buildpackage
[06:55] <laga> dpkg-buildpackage
[06:55] <laga> haven't set up pbuilder yet
[06:55] <superm1> ah k
[06:55] <laga> although i should
[06:55] <superm1> well once you start using pbuilder, there are a few extra things you'll have to do
[06:56] <superm1> to set up hooks to properly use already built packages in the chroot
[06:56] <laga> is that documented somewhere? i could setup pbuilder now
[06:57] <superm1> um i'm sure it is, because I would have needed to know how to do it at some point :)
[06:57] <superm1> but i'm not sure where I came across it
[06:57] <laga> i'll google then
[06:58] <laga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e51532fca6153405af36a03364e03803e99edcf
[06:58] <laga> ^^ superm1 ?
[06:58] <superm1> well that should work, but its not the way i was referring to
[06:58] <superm1> there is a hook setup
[06:59] <laga> using pbuilder makes more sense since i'm still on edgy
[06:59] <superm1> make a directory /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks/gutsy
[07:00] <superm1> and in it a file called D70results
[07:00] <superm1> with these contents
[07:00] <superm1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26753/
[07:00] <superm1> that line /var/cache/pbuilder/result/gutsy
[07:00] <superm1> can be changed to whereever you're going to keep results
[07:01] <laga>  /var/cache should be OK for now
[07:01] <superm1> well the normal location (by default) is /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[07:01] <superm1> i put mine in a gutsy subdirectory because i have pbuilders for dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy
[07:02] <laga> i hope pbuilder in edgy can bootstrap gutsy
[07:02] <laga> yes, i used to have pbuilders for different distributions, too
[07:02] <superm1> i dont know if you need a newer pbuilder to do it
[07:02] <superm1> you can easily get one
[07:02] <laga> yup
[07:02] <laga> used to do that, too
[07:02] <laga> it's been a while, though
[07:02] <laga> i'll find a solution :) thanks for that hook script!
[07:03] <superm1> yup, just make sure you remember to enable it in your pbuilderrc
[07:04] <laga> i used to have my own small repository when i still had a local server. it was a bit too flakey, though :(
[07:04] <superm1> that hook script will also make sure you always install the latest version of packages
[07:04] <superm1> so no need to update the pbuilder env
[07:04] <superm1> (unless you want faster builds)
[07:05] <laga> why do the mythtv packages build-depend on ccache? it's no use in pbuilder AFAIK
[07:05] <superm1> thats a good point
[07:05] <superm1> i dont know if its of any use on the buildds either
[07:05] <superm1> i'm trying to think why we enabled it last year
[07:07] <laga> http://people.warp.es/~isaac/blog/index.php/ccache-pbuilder-33
[07:07] <laga> ^^ it can be used, though
[07:08] <superm1> ooh pretty
[07:08] <superm1> i can fill up my drive now with ccached messes :)
[07:12] <superm1> ideally i'd like to set up a buildd like thing at home
[07:12] <superm1> that I can submit .changes files to, have it build and spit back out into a repository that I can use rather than having to manually dpkg -i each file
[07:13] <laga> just cron dput or something?
[07:13] <superm1> well the problem is that pbuilder needs root
[07:13] <laga> my setup would scan one directory regularly and create a repository from it
[07:13] <superm1> well falcon does that
[07:13] <laga> yup
[07:14] <superm1> its not too big a deal, but i'd like to use my extra machine
[07:14] <superm1> to do this sort of thing for me
[07:14] <superm1> because it can do it for both amd64 and i386 then
[07:14] <superm1> if everything is setup right
[07:15] <laga> sounds sensible
[07:15] <laga> i tend to use VMs for that kind of stuff
[07:15] <laga> although i wish i'd be easier to move virtualbox vms. seems to be rather complicated
[07:15] <superm1> so at some point when things are dying down with ubiquity and mythbuntu and all this other tsuff
[07:15] <laga> i'll have to investiagte
[07:15] <superm1> i'll get that setup
[07:15] <laga> investigate*
[07:15] <laga> yup
[07:16] <laga> i need to get lots of stuff done first before i can do fun things :)
[07:16] <laga> :'(
[07:17] <laga> that's what i meant by "lots of stuff done first" ;)
[07:17] <superm1> ah good :)
[07:17] <superm1> haha
[07:19] <laga> now that i think about it, i'll definitely try the ccache hook.
[07:19] <laga> waiting $ages just because of a debconf change seems annoying
[07:19] <superm1> another idea i've toyed with is installing a lot of those dependencies right in the chroot
[07:19] <superm1> because they are pretty static at this point
[07:20] <superm1> but i cant justify it because i go to other packages
[07:20] <superm1> a lot too
[07:21] <laga> heh :)
[07:21] <superm1> now ccache can take up quite a bit of space if you let it can't it
[07:21] <superm1> like upwards of 3-4 gigs
[07:22] <laga> the pbuilderhowto in the wiki tells me to modify the new pbuilderrc altough the "pbuilder-gutsy" script already overrides most variables
[07:22] <laga> i plan on buying a new 500G disk for this box :)
[07:22] <superm1> well not sure what the ideal way to go is. with that
[07:23] <superm1> i have seperate pbuilderrc's
[07:23] <superm1> for gutsy edgy feisty and dapper
[07:23] <superm1> and seperate base images for each too
[07:23] <laga> yup
[07:23] <laga> the wiki proposes that idea, too
[07:24] <laga> i'll just use that script
[07:46] <DaveMorris> what does HTPC stand for in the installer?
[07:48] <superm1> Home Theater Personal Computer
[07:48] <rogue780> laga, it's not an addiction if you need it ;)
[07:51] <rogue780> what's the command to edit ivtv driver settings?
[07:51] <superm1> ivtvctl ?
[07:53] <rogue780> no...oh well
[07:54] <rogue780> Hauppauge just told me to verify my windows volume control settings
[07:54] <rogue780> well, I'm going to call them since e-mail is slow
[07:56] <superm1> Daviey, the ISO generated now
[07:57] <DaveMorris> hmm  docs take forever to write :(
[07:57] <rogue780> #8772
[07:57] <rogue780> err oops
[07:57] <DaveMorris> superm1: how can I create a new branch?
[07:57] <superm1> DaveMorris, bzr init
[07:57] <superm1> inside your directory
[07:57] <superm1> followed by bzr push URL
[07:57] <superm1> where URL is where your going to push it
[07:57] <DaveMorris> and what url should I use?
[07:57] <superm1> hmum
[07:58] <superm1> something along the lines of sftp://USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/documentation
[07:58] <superm1> where USER is your launchpad user
[07:59] <DaveMorris> I think I might need to register a key as well :)
[07:59] <superm1> ah yes
[08:02] <superm1> are you going to generate the html and pdf right in it, or just the latex and leave that as a responsibility on mythbuntu.org?
[08:02] <DaveMorris> how do I add files to the branch onces its created
[08:02] <DaveMorris> they'll be generated by a make file
[08:02] <superm1> bzr add
[08:03] <superm1> so will mythbuntu.org be running this make command?
[08:03] <superm1> or are you going to do it as part of the branch though
[08:03] <DaveMorris> yeah mytbuntu can do  bzr update
[08:03] <DaveMorris> then a make install
[08:04] <superm1> make sure to do bzr ignore locally
[08:04] <superm1> to make sure that you don't accidently include those files then
[08:05] <rogue780> I think I may have just done a first. anyone here ever have a scissor jam in your printer?
[08:08] <superm1> keescook, is there a mailing list that archive admins post to regarding issues with source packages in the queue, or do they contact directly to the person listed as maintainer?
[08:09] <keescook> generally they contact people directly, or use a bug report.  whatcha lookin' for?
[08:10] <superm1> well libhdhomerun is sitting at the end still, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=40 I know there were binary NEW source packages uploaded after it that have already cleared
[08:10] <superm1> so i wasn't sure what the big hold up was
[08:10] <superm1> and didnt want to poke the admins if there was somewhere they list these sorts of things
[08:11] <superm1> there is a new version that silicon dust just let me know about to get packaged up, but I wanted to wait for this to clear before I bothered
[08:13] <DaveMorris> superm1: well its in the bzr now if you wanted to have a look
[08:13] <superm1> DaveMorris, did you push it up?
[08:14] <superm1> you need to bzr commit
[08:14] <superm1> followed by bzr push
[08:15] <DaveMorris> oh, I did a commi
[08:16] <superm1> if you attach it directly to that parent branch at bazaar.launchpad.net, you can bzr commit directly
[08:16] <superm1> without needing to push
[08:16] <DaveMorris> how do I do that?
[08:16] <superm1> um
[08:16] <superm1> man bzr.  i'm not sure ;)
[08:19] <DaveMorris> are you able to grab the branch though?
[08:19] <superm1> i just saw it on launchpad.net
[08:19] <superm1> that it existed
[08:19] <superm1> but no commits were made yet
[08:21] <DaveMorris> well I've got a pushed up revison 2 message
[08:22] <superm1> ah yes
[08:22] <superm1> i see it
[08:22] <superm1> you included the pdf
[08:22] <DaveMorris> did I
[08:23] <superm1> oh no
[08:23] <DaveMorris> was it the latexsheet.pdf 1?
[08:23] <superm1> its a cheat sheet :)
[08:23] <DaveMorris> yeah, I thought I'd be nice
[08:24] <superm1> ah good and that README describes exactly what is needed to build it
[08:24] <superm1> very good
[08:24] <DaveMorris> I may have missed a package out
[08:24] <DaveMorris> can you try it for me at some point
[08:24] <superm1> well i'll try to add it to mythbuntu.org tonight
[08:24] <superm1> and see
[08:24] <DaveMorris> superm1: its not read for thaty
[08:24] <DaveMorris> I've only done about 15%
[08:25] <superm1> www.mythbuntu.org/documentation ?
[08:25] <superm1> oh ok
[08:25] <DaveMorris> I just wanted to get it under SC and this way you can see whats produced, and see if your happy with it
[08:26] <superm1> ah very good.  I'll build it tonight then
[08:26] <superm1> good excuse to get exposed to some LaTeX stuff
[08:26] <DaveMorris> yep
[08:26] <superm1> all images have to be eps?
[08:26] <superm1> cant take in jpg/png?
[08:27] <DaveMorris> nope, not thet way I've done it
[08:27] <DaveMorris> btw the PDF version is a lot nicer than the html IMO
[08:27] <DaveMorris> gimp can easily convert to eps though
[08:28] <superm1> now what you can do so you dont have to do make clean before uploading
[08:28] <superm1> is bzr ignore FILE
[08:28] <superm1> for any file you dont want to ever upload
[08:28] <superm1> this will create a .bzrignore file
[08:28] <superm1> in the root of the branch
[08:29] <superm1> so bzr add .bzrignore, and then the next commit will make sure that they never get uploaded by anyone
[08:29] <DaveMorris> ok, can you use wildcards?
[08:31] <superm1> um
[08:31] <superm1> try it and see :)
[08:31] <DaveMorris> well I've done it
[08:35] <superm1> :)
[08:35] <DaveMorris> fixed it now :)
[08:36] <superm1> Ok I'm going to need to be running off to my meeting a bit early.  I'll try to make it back in time for the forums meeting, but I can't guarantee i do
[08:36] <DaveMorris> forums meeting?
[08:36] <superm1> at 20:00 UTC
[08:37] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[08:37] <superm1> for requesting our subforum
[08:37] <DaveMorris> ahhh
[08:38] <superm1> if you and/or Daviey can attend to answer any questions they have
[08:38] <superm1> you've got a pretty good feel for what the forum would be used for and such
[08:38] <laga> i have almost 2000 postings on mythtvtalk. "those forums will be used for whining" ;)
[08:38] <laga> j/k
[08:38] <superm1> haha
[08:39] <superm1> laga, your going too right?
[08:39] <laga> superm1: when is it?
[08:39] <superm1> 20:00 UTC
[08:39] <superm1> about an hour from now
[08:39] <laga> ah, thanks
[08:39] <laga> still struggling with the GF *sigh*
[08:39] <superm1> gotta run though. hopefully things come up well with it :)
[08:39] <laga> i just want one fscking night off
[08:40] <laga> yup :)
[08:40] <DaveMorris> one night off from her?
[08:40] <laga> yes
[08:40] <laga> if i introduced a sexual connotation in there, it was *not* done intentionally
[08:40] <DaveMorris> whats wrong with that then?  And can see read English?
[08:42] <laga> yes, she can read english. but she complains about my typing being too loud ;)
[08:43] <DaveMorris> can't see go out with her friends 1 night a week then?
[08:44] <laga> she's caught a cold, no going out then
[08:44] <laga> you know
[08:44] <laga> this always evolves quickly into the "you don't love me anymore" kind of stuff
[08:45] <DaveMorris> I've got to start doing my Masters soon, so less time for mythbuntu then :(
[08:46] <laga> :(
[08:46] <laga> i have like two or three months off now
[08:47] <DaveMorris> thing is I wanna get my Masters done ASAP so I can leave for more money :)
[08:47] <laga> <3 money
[08:47] <DaveMorris> prehaps someone can hire me to work full time on mythbuntu :)
[08:52] <laga> superm1: building mythtv in pbuilder now. i'm excited. ;)
[08:52] <laga> i guess i should make a gutsy VM
[09:19] <DaveMorris> Daviey: PM
[09:31] <DaveMorris> is mythweb the only backend plugin available atm?
[09:31] <laga> if you wanna call it a plugin: yes
[09:32] <laga> well, user jobs might count as backend plugins as well :P
[09:52] <DaveMorris> laga Do you know if any of the plugins require extra input from the user?
[09:53] <laga> um
[09:53] <laga> what kind of input?
[09:55] <DaveMorris> found it, like mythtv input :)
[09:56] <laga> what is mythtv input?
[09:56] <laga> <- confused :)
[09:56] <DaveMorris> sorry
[09:56] <DaveMorris> mythweb, they are asked to enter a password
[09:57] <laga> uh, in debconf, eg when installing the package, or when using them?
[09:57] <laga> the password is optional, btw
[09:58] <DaveMorris> when installing
[09:58] <DaveMorris> I'm confused about the mysql password
[09:59] <DaveMorris> is that the password I'm gonna set the db up with, or the password of the database I want to connect to?
[09:59] <laga> it's the only package coming from the mythplugins source package that'll require user input upon install. if they have the appropriate  debconf priority level set.
[09:59] <laga> um
[10:00] <laga> i suppose it asks you for the mysql root password. the mysql password for "mythtv" is a random one afaik
[10:21] <DaveMorris> hmm, the install docs are gonna be big :)
[10:23] <laga> nice :)
[10:23] <laga> i wish i knew why mythweb.postinst doesn't exit properly :(
[10:36] <DaveMorris> !logs
[10:36] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:40] <DaveMorris> hmmm, the installer wouldn't quit for me
[10:42] <laga> DaveMorris: where?
[10:42] <laga> dear virtualbox.
[10:42] <laga> please suck less.
[10:43] <laga> love, michael
[10:43] <DaveMorris> no, this was on a real machine
[10:43] <laga> yeah, but i'm having trouble with virtualbox
[10:43] <DaveMorris> I got to the parationer, then hit back all the way, then tried to quit and it just locked up
[10:43] <laga> it tends to freeze when i perform this "acpi shutdown" thingy
[11:02] <DaveMorris> superm1: are we able to add the plugins and mythoptions the user choose to the review section at the end of the install?
[11:11] <DaveMorris> hmm latest installer crashed
[11:19] <superm1> Ok Back
[11:19] <superm1> looks like we got +1's for the forum
[11:19] <superm1> very good, nothing was even to it
[11:19] <superm1> DaveMorris, which ISO?
[11:19] <laga> darn
[11:20] <superm1> the very latest (as in generated today)?
[11:20] <laga> i missed the meeting :'(
[11:23] <laga> mythweb.postinst won't hang if apache_reload() is not called.
[11:24] <superm1> why is that making it hang?
[11:24] <laga> i never had to use profanity before i started dealing with computers and cable companies, you know that?
[11:24] <laga> superm1: i have yet to find out
[11:26] <DaveMorris> 070620
[11:27] <laga> i read that debconf can get confused when daemons are spawned, but using "db_stop" should fix that problem
[11:29] <superm1> DaveMorris, can you grab the one from today
[11:29] <superm1> 070622
[11:29] <superm1> it should have the newer glib
[11:30] <superm1> laga wasn't apache_reload() already being done though?
[11:31] <DaveMorris> is that the 11MB one?
[11:31] <superm1> Nope
[11:31] <superm1> 381 or so
[11:32] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/mythbuntu-7.10~070622-i386.iso
[11:32] <laga> superm1: no, it was only called once *before* enable_auth was called. i've changed that now
[11:33] <DaveMorris> well the error I had was DebconfError(10, "ubiquity/install/drivers dosen't exist")
[11:33] <superm1> DaveMorris, yea
[11:33] <superm1> there was a typo
[11:33] <superm1> forgot a space
[11:33] <DaveMorris> hehe
[11:33] <superm1> :)
[11:34] <DaveMorris> Do you know what the difference is between all the PAL formats on offer during the install?
[11:34] <superm1> na.  just took them all right from the readme on nvidia's site
[11:36] <laga> um
[11:36] <laga> add a country list? :)
[11:38] <DaveMorris> prehaps
[11:38] <DaveMorris> my g/f will be here in a mo so l8r guys
[11:38] <laga> i managed to get another hour off ;)
[11:38] <superm1> okay cu DaveMorris
[11:38] <superm1> i'll let you know how the docs Makefile works
[11:39] <DaveMorris> I'm just about to commit the other stuff I;ve done
[11:41] <DaveMorris> btw whats the bzr dance for checking in?
[11:41] <superm1> bzr commit;  bzr push
[11:42] <DaveMorris> no need to update to see others changes?
[11:42] <laga> yay yay
[11:42] <laga> all worky now
[11:42] <superm1> um, there is a bzr pull and bzr update too
[11:42] <superm1> but i'm still a bit confused how to make it all work properly
[11:42] <superm1> i had to merge changes once
[11:42] <superm1> with bzr merge
[11:42] <DaveMorris> fun
[11:42] <superm1> its on the "todo"
[11:42] <superm1> to figure out :)
[11:43] <superm1> laga, what'd you have to do?
[11:43] <laga> superm1: i moved that restart apache call to the end of the file
[11:43] <superm1> ah
[11:44] <Daviey> bzr add is another special move :)
[11:45] <superm1> i learned how to use 'bzr mv'
[11:45] <laga> oh, i made another (rather meaningless) change. let's try without that one
[11:45] <superm1> its a pretty neat thing too
[11:45] <Daviey> what does it do?
[11:45] <superm1> moves a bzr directory
[11:45] <superm1> well a directory
[11:45] <superm1> within a bzr branch
[11:45] <laga> heh
[11:45] <Daviey> mv $old $new ?
[11:45] <laga> was just gonna say :)
[11:46] <Daviey> ahh i see; within a branch
[11:46] <superm1> yea its like a smart move
[11:46] <superm1> because bzr isn't smart enough to know that you moved something otherwise
[11:46] <superm1> it would appear
[11:46] <Daviey> worked out how to dump old revisions?
[11:46] <superm1> can't
[11:46] <superm1> only way is fresh branch
[11:46] <Daviey> that's naff
[11:46] <superm1> from what the bzr guys told me
[11:47] <superm1> so once ubiquity is merged upstream, there is going to be a massive branch cleansing
[11:47] <Daviey> surely it wouldn't be too hard to automate removal..
[11:48] <Daviey> well i suspect we could just rename the branch to mythbuntu-archieve and start fresh
[11:48] <Daviey> brb
[11:48] <superm1> yes
[12:19] <DaveMorris> superm1: you know the review settings part at the end of the installer
[12:19] <superm1> Yes
[12:19] <DaveMorris> are we able add in the myth options the user has chosen?
[12:19] <superm1> Yes
[12:20] <superm1> that has been going in and out
[12:20] <superm1> due to some technical reasons
[12:20] <superm1> but normally everything is supposed to be shown
[12:20] <superm1> it normally shows the mysql info
[12:20] <superm1> the plugins picked
[12:20] <superm1> the install type
[12:20] <DaveMorris> ok, coz if I know whats meant to be where I can write the docs, for it, even f its not in the ISO already
[12:20] <superm1> the prop drivers
[12:20] <superm1> tv out / tv standard
[12:21] <superm1> it will show the mythweb password and root mysql password
[12:21] <superm1> and vnc, openssh, samba, and nfs options eventually too
[12:21] <DaveMorris> superm1: installer crashed :(
[12:22] <superm1> on the 0622?
[12:22] <superm1> or the 0620
[12:22] <DaveMorris> yes
[12:22] <DaveMorris> 622
[12:22] <superm1> damn.  on that summary page?
[12:22] <DaveMorris> yea
[12:22] <superm1> well that means that the change i was hoping to overcome the technical problem before didnt work
[12:22] <superm1> something about textwrap?
[12:22] <superm1> not being defined
[12:22] <DaveMorris> yes
[12:22] <DaveMorris> you want it paste binned?
[12:22] <superm1> yes please
[12:23] <superm1> that would be very good
[12:23] <superm1> i've got a pretty good idea what it should be, but the error will help for sure
[12:24] <DaveMorris> http://pastebin.com/934367
[12:26] <superm1> yup thats pretty much what i expected
[12:26] <superm1> should be a quick fix when I get home
[12:27] <superm1> thx