=== DBeta [n=danial@cpe-024-074-041-011.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:07] Hello [01:08] Hi DBeta [01:08] I'm attempting to run Mythbuntu live. But it's being a pain. [01:09] run it in live mode? [01:09] I get "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" [01:09] Off the CD [01:09] which ISO are you using? [01:09] The one that is on the mythbuntu download page... let me check [01:10] Mythbuntu-7.04~070603-i386.iso [01:10] Well thats a bit of an odd error for the feisty based one. [01:11] Yeah, the bash prompt turns to (initramfs), which I think is just the base one when the OS isn't really running [01:11] is this in a VM/ [01:11] or on a real machine? [01:11] Real machine [01:12] A 800mhrz emachine(AKA Kinda old) [01:12] could you by chance try it in a VM? [01:12] or on another machine [01:12] to compare results [01:12] and then to rule out bad burn/bad download etc [01:12] I think I have qemu installed on this machine [01:13] virtual box is a little easier to use imo [01:13] Wait, I'll throw it in my other-other computer, and see what it comes up with [01:13] k [01:17] I can't try graphical safe mode because it seems the mobo doesn't like USB keyboards, and it has to wait for the OS to poll for it [01:17] doesn't work in normal mode? [01:18] The other-other machine is still booting [01:18] ah [01:19] The CD drive was disconnected [01:19] Boots on the other-othewr machine [01:20] so any non standard hardware on this 800mhz emachine? [01:20] No, far more normal than the other-other machine. [01:20] or maybe a dying CD drive? [01:20] (more likely) [01:21] I doubt it. Mythknopixs installed fine [01:21] (Except X11 problems) [01:21] It was just misdetecting graphical modes [01:21] Which might be related [01:21] well if your dropped to that initramfs prompt [01:21] thats before the kernel is even fully loaded [01:22] so that would lead me to believe it to be read errors on the disk [01:24] Well, the CD drive doesn't seem to be having problems(No rev ups then dies) and the CD works in other machines [01:24] And the drive didn't have a problem launching Ubuntu 7.10 Tribe 1 [01:25] I'd just install 7.10, but it seems Myth isn't in the reposity [01:25] repository** [01:26] There was some "Select your OS" setting in the bios, let me try playing with that [01:28] Hey... I turned on USB legacy mode and all of the sudden I could go through the boot menu to start in graphical safe mode [01:28] Lets see how that does... [01:29] Graphical safe mode didn't work either... [01:31] I'm booting the CD checker [01:31] Arg, even the CD checker errored [01:32] Isn't there a text installer? [01:45] no text installer [01:45] all of our focus is around the graphical for now [01:46] myth should be in the gutsy repo [01:46] I searched it from the live CD and didn't get it [01:47] Wait, is it in the standard or the normally disabed univerals? [01:47] Or whichever one is normally disabed [01:47] multiverse [01:47] actually [01:48] Is that the one that needs to be enabled? [01:48] Yup [01:48] universe and multiverse [01:48] Ahh, thats probably why I didn't see it. [01:48] Time to try 7.10 again [01:49] ah that reminds me. keescook ping [01:50] What? [01:51] i wanted to remind keescook to look over my next set of changes on the mythtv / mythplugins packages [01:51] for gutsy [01:53] What's new in gutsy? I haven't looked up the info on it. [01:53] ah-ha! perfect timing. :) [01:53] let me bzr up [01:55] DBeta, newer 0.20-fixes checkout and misc packaging related fixes [01:56] So nothing big, like 6.10-7.04? [01:56] well depends what you define as "big" [01:56] because there were a few big packaging changes [01:56] that really helped mysql problems [01:56] feature wise the packages are the same though (as new features aren't introduced to 0.20-fixes) [01:56] superm1: I need to grab a new orig.tar.gz from somewhere, yes? [01:57] keescook, not this time! [01:57] :) [01:57] debian/ rules get-orig-tar [01:57] ah-ha! [01:58] I really should label my discs better [01:58] er "debian/rules get-orig-source" [01:58] superm1: found that, yeah. :) [01:58] i added it to both mythtv and mythplugins [01:58] very nice. [02:03] superm1: did you push your mythplugins updates? I'm still seeing rev9 as current? [02:03] 10 is the current [02:03] and its pushed [02:03] at least according to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu [02:03] parent branch: sftp://keescook@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/ubuntu/ [02:04] $ bzr up [02:04] Tree is up to date at revision 9. [02:04] ?? [02:04] bzr pull perhaps? [02:04] oh but you have a parent branch [02:04] um [02:04] trying a pull anyway... [02:05] some day I'll understand. that worked. :) [02:05] haha [02:05] yea i dont get bzr myself often [02:07] keescook, i was thinking too, can you use variables like i'm using in debian/rules inside debian/control? [02:07] because then, can easily make sure that a plugins build never builds on an old mythtv- build [02:08] I think only if you do the processing yourself. There are weird things that general a control from a control.in file [02:08] ah [02:08] not too big a deal then [02:09] okay i've gotta run. i have my ghost on, superm1_ so leave a note with any complications you see :) [02:09] okay, so far, looks very nice! :) [02:10] great!. cu [02:11] superm1_: the only "odd" thing I see is the gdm theme selection. shouldn't that just go in the mythbuntu package instead? === tgm4883_ is now known as tgm4883 [03:20] New bug: #69651 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Can't rip DVDs in mythdvd" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69651 [03:31] Reboot time. I'll be back if 7.10 gives me some troubles with myth. === tuxie_fl [n=joe813@165-238.207-68.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:18] hey super, what was said about zap2it last night? === Zentax-Work [n=Zentax@hq.onewire.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:37] Hey is anyone around that may be able to help me with an issue in regards to getting MythTV to work with my Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T [04:38] Am running latest Ubuntu and have upgraded Kernel to 2.6.20-16-generic [04:42] nope, i am using knoppmyth [04:42] We tried MythDora with the same result. [04:42] What card are you using? the same one? [04:42] happauge 150 [04:42] Any reason u went knoppmyth and not compile manually or MythDora etc?? [04:43] We have been trying this for days. And knoppmyth is the only thing we have yet to try. [04:43] Just spent a good couple of hours installing ubuntu and getting MythTV packages up and going.. to now find our card is still not detected by MythTV [04:43] i used ubuntu and install all the binaries, but configuring it all was beyond me [04:43] i installed knoppmyth and it works right off the disk, practically no setup [04:44] Ahh k [04:44] We might have to try that as the last resort. [04:45] try it. it boots automatically, setsd up the sql db, detected my card [04:46] yea we might give it a go on a seperate hard disk [04:46] good luck [04:46] its sort of a kicker as we really like the way its been setup via unbuntu [04:46] *ubuntu. [04:46] even if the setup was a pain [04:46] Yea i will.. ill still idle here incase anyone else in here has a suggestion that might help [04:46] in the mean time we will try knoppmyth on a seperate hard disk and see how we go [04:46] watching law and order here === xeno_ [n=xeno@cpe-024-163-112-039.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:19] superm1_: everything looks great, I'm going to upload 'em. :) [05:51] wtf?! [05:51] mythplugins_0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the [05:51] archive. 0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 <= 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1 [05:52] I swear I checked that before. === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5E8D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:45] superm1_: greaat. so 0.20+fixes13716 > 0.20-svn20070523 but 0.20+fixes13716-0.0ubuntu1 < 0.20-svn20070523-0.0ubuntu1 *bang head on desk* [06:49] :) [06:49] I know your pain. === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:20] huh keescook ? i'm a bit confused [08:20] i thought u found the + to be later? === Hugol1 [n=jo@89.129.173.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:59] keescook, did the same thing happen with the "mythtv" package too? or just the mythplugins? === OpenMediaSupport [n=steve@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === kruuli [i=kruuli@c-bcb772d5.013-36-73746f51.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [09:41] happy "midsommar" guys! :D === OpenMediaSupport [n=steve@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === spiderworm [n=spiderwo@blender/support/spiderworm] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:06] New bug: #113889 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Ubuntu needs the Liberation Fonts" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113889 === Xenocide [n=xeno@cpe-024-163-112-039.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:36] superm1, ya there? === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:02] what are we licencing scripts under? "GPL2" or "GPL2 or later" ? [04:08] also did you want the docs under the main mythbuntu branch or seperate ? [04:18] DaveMorris, sep [04:18] GPL2 or later i'd say [04:19] and the bzr stuff? or does sep mean seperate [04:19] seperate [04:20] that main bzr branch has grown unbearably large [04:20] as is [04:20] i'll get an upgrade to 16mbit/s soon [04:21] i'm quite jealous of that [04:21] stuck with 5mbit/s here [04:21] only 768kbit/s up :( [04:23] i'll do the mythweb stuff tonight. [04:23] as soon as i get ouf of this meeting [04:24] aw shucks guys. I still use my US Robotics 56.6K serial modem from time to time when comcast dies. === rogue780 is really away now [04:24] who did the orginal artwork on the mythbuntu site? [04:25] rogue780: i'm not that addicted :) [04:27] Daviey: was it you ^^ [04:27] me [04:28] I did the blue ubuntu logo, with the mythtv logo [04:28] Can I have a copy done with a width of 100mm ?? The current one blown up looks shit [04:29] np [04:29] i can give you the src [04:46] what licence are the docs going to be under? [04:47] MS EULA [04:47] heh [04:49] and how can we show that the images are under a free licence? [04:57] hmm, latest mythbuntu cd is slow at loading, seems to be hung up after [04:57] ACPI: Unable to load the System Description Tables [04:57] moving along now :) [05:00] DaveMorris, i'm hoping that one the installer works. i generated it last night, but haven't had time to try it [05:01] it supposedly has a newer glib [05:01] which will make life better [05:10] keescook, I just committed revno 41 and 11 for mythtv/mythplugins [05:10] they should have the version number fixed [05:20] superm1: you're aware mythbuntu-7.10~070621-i386.iso is only 11Meg? [05:26] it worked [05:28] btw the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu" === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:49] Daviey, I am now. It appears that debootstrap couldn't grab a package from a mirror (mksquashfs) [05:50] so here we go again :) [05:50] superm1: the icon on the mythbuntu install says "Install MythTV" it should read "Install Mythbuntu" [05:50] keescook, re those version number changes, 0.20.1 was announced at some point informally [05:50] ah right DaveMorris [05:51] I can't make commit changes atm(at work), so if someone wants to update the build script for that [05:51] feel free [05:52] "Whoever smelt it dealt it" [05:54] o_O [05:58] superm1: okay, cool. what'd you do to fix up the versioning? [05:59] keescook, 0.20+fixes -> 0.20.1+fixes [05:59] so i added a minor revision number to the debian/rules get-orig-source [05:59] so when there are releases with minor that variable is valid [05:59] and when there aren't, you comment out the tline [06:00] and an ifneq will take it out [06:01] superm1: ah! nice. yeah, flipping that bit should over-ride the problems we were seeing. [06:01] nice, I'll re-up and do another build/upload. thanks! [06:01] I did a dpkg --compare-versions with it, and it appears alright [06:01] do you know why that was happening before though when a debian revision was attached? [06:01] it makes no sense. [06:22] why does mythplugins build-depend on libmyth-dev (>= 0.20-0.2)? [06:22] i'm sure libmyth-0.20-dev would work as well :P [06:26] laga, there was that name change [06:26] that we had [06:27] because libmyth-0.20-dev couldn't be installed side by side with say libmyth-0.21-dev [06:27] superm1: i know... i'm building current mythplugins from bzr against libmyth-0.20-dev and i get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmyth-0.20.1 [06:27] superm1: i know, but you can still build against it. well, unless you get weird errors like i do [06:28] laga, you likely need to have a current libmyth-dev then [06:28] installed [06:34] laga, is that your trunk branch or adding the changes to the normal mythplugins branch? [06:46] superm1: the screen shots at http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/ are they the standard install? [06:47] DaveMorris, thats an advanced install [06:47] standard takes out the plugins and type of install pages [06:47] and themes [06:47] the additional drivers page has changed a bit [06:47] as has the passwords page [06:48] but those can easily be updated [06:48] well hopefully it'll just require some new pics [06:48] the passwords page will need a little discussion likely [06:48] but 2/3 of its dependent on laga's changes for mythweb and mysql root password, so its not active yet [06:49] DaveMorris, the additional drivers page includes a little detection mechanism that you can mention though. when that checkbox is hit, it will determine if you have an nvidia or ati card [06:50] and indicate which driver gets installed [06:50] does the standard install do a fe/bed on 1 system? [06:50] yes [06:51] so the advanced is also what you want if you just want a BE [06:53] yup [06:54] superm1: it's the normal mythplugins branch [06:54] ah laga, then you need to have the mythtv normal branch built [06:54] (so against that it has to be done) [06:54] superm1: ok, will do that [06:55] laga, are you buliding in pbuilder/sbuild or something similar? [06:55] or just dpkg-buildpackage [06:55] dpkg-buildpackage [06:55] haven't set up pbuilder yet [06:55] ah k [06:55] although i should [06:55] well once you start using pbuilder, there are a few extra things you'll have to do [06:56] to set up hooks to properly use already built packages in the chroot [06:56] is that documented somewhere? i could setup pbuilder now [06:57] um i'm sure it is, because I would have needed to know how to do it at some point :) [06:57] but i'm not sure where I came across it [06:57] i'll google then [06:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e51532fca6153405af36a03364e03803e99edcf [06:58] ^^ superm1 ? [06:58] well that should work, but its not the way i was referring to [06:58] there is a hook setup [06:59] using pbuilder makes more sense since i'm still on edgy [06:59] make a directory /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks/gutsy [07:00] and in it a file called D70results [07:00] with these contents [07:00] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26753/ [07:00] that line /var/cache/pbuilder/result/gutsy [07:00] can be changed to whereever you're going to keep results [07:01] /var/cache should be OK for now [07:01] well the normal location (by default) is /var/cache/pbuilder/result [07:01] i put mine in a gutsy subdirectory because i have pbuilders for dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy [07:02] i hope pbuilder in edgy can bootstrap gutsy [07:02] yes, i used to have pbuilders for different distributions, too [07:02] i dont know if you need a newer pbuilder to do it [07:02] you can easily get one [07:02] yup [07:02] used to do that, too [07:02] it's been a while, though [07:02] i'll find a solution :) thanks for that hook script! [07:03] yup, just make sure you remember to enable it in your pbuilderrc [07:04] i used to have my own small repository when i still had a local server. it was a bit too flakey, though :( [07:04] that hook script will also make sure you always install the latest version of packages [07:04] so no need to update the pbuilder env [07:04] (unless you want faster builds) [07:05] why do the mythtv packages build-depend on ccache? it's no use in pbuilder AFAIK [07:05] thats a good point [07:05] i dont know if its of any use on the buildds either [07:05] i'm trying to think why we enabled it last year [07:07] http://people.warp.es/~isaac/blog/index.php/ccache-pbuilder-33 [07:07] ^^ it can be used, though [07:08] ooh pretty [07:08] i can fill up my drive now with ccached messes :) === laga stops showing shiny things to superm1 === superm1 posts this to del.icio.us to play with later [07:12] ideally i'd like to set up a buildd like thing at home [07:12] that I can submit .changes files to, have it build and spit back out into a repository that I can use rather than having to manually dpkg -i each file [07:13] just cron dput or something? [07:13] well the problem is that pbuilder needs root [07:13] my setup would scan one directory regularly and create a repository from it [07:13] well falcon does that [07:13] yup [07:14] its not too big a deal, but i'd like to use my extra machine [07:14] to do this sort of thing for me [07:14] because it can do it for both amd64 and i386 then [07:14] if everything is setup right [07:15] sounds sensible [07:15] i tend to use VMs for that kind of stuff [07:15] although i wish i'd be easier to move virtualbox vms. seems to be rather complicated [07:15] so at some point when things are dying down with ubiquity and mythbuntu and all this other tsuff [07:15] i'll have to investiagte [07:15] i'll get that setup [07:15] investigate* [07:15] yup [07:16] i need to get lots of stuff done first before i can do fun things :) === superm1 grabs a chain to lock laga in his chair until he finishes mythweb htaccess and mysql root password debconf stuff [07:16] :'( [07:17] that's what i meant by "lots of stuff done first" ;) [07:17] ah good :) [07:17] haha [07:19] now that i think about it, i'll definitely try the ccache hook. [07:19] waiting $ages just because of a debconf change seems annoying [07:19] another idea i've toyed with is installing a lot of those dependencies right in the chroot [07:19] because they are pretty static at this point [07:20] but i cant justify it because i go to other packages [07:20] a lot too [07:21] heh :) [07:21] now ccache can take up quite a bit of space if you let it can't it [07:21] like upwards of 3-4 gigs [07:22] the pbuilderhowto in the wiki tells me to modify the new pbuilderrc altough the "pbuilder-gutsy" script already overrides most variables [07:22] i plan on buying a new 500G disk for this box :) [07:22] well not sure what the ideal way to go is. with that [07:23] i have seperate pbuilderrc's [07:23] for gutsy edgy feisty and dapper [07:23] and seperate base images for each too [07:23] yup [07:23] the wiki proposes that idea, too [07:24] i'll just use that script [07:46] what does HTPC stand for in the installer? [07:48] Home Theater Personal Computer [07:48] laga, it's not an addiction if you need it ;) [07:51] what's the command to edit ivtv driver settings? [07:51] ivtvctl ? [07:53] no...oh well [07:54] Hauppauge just told me to verify my windows volume control settings [07:54] well, I'm going to call them since e-mail is slow [07:56] Daviey, the ISO generated now [07:57] hmm docs take forever to write :( [07:57] #8772 [07:57] err oops [07:57] superm1: how can I create a new branch? [07:57] DaveMorris, bzr init [07:57] inside your directory [07:57] followed by bzr push URL [07:57] where URL is where your going to push it [07:57] and what url should I use? [07:57] hmum [07:58] something along the lines of sftp://USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/documentation [07:58] where USER is your launchpad user [07:59] I think I might need to register a key as well :) [07:59] ah yes [08:02] are you going to generate the html and pdf right in it, or just the latex and leave that as a responsibility on mythbuntu.org? [08:02] how do I add files to the branch onces its created [08:02] they'll be generated by a make file [08:02] bzr add === DaveMorris has only used cvs/svn [08:03] so will mythbuntu.org be running this make command? [08:03] or are you going to do it as part of the branch though [08:03] yeah mytbuntu can do bzr update [08:03] then a make install [08:04] make sure to do bzr ignore locally [08:04] to make sure that you don't accidently include those files then [08:05] I think I may have just done a first. anyone here ever have a scissor jam in your printer? [08:08] keescook, is there a mailing list that archive admins post to regarding issues with source packages in the queue, or do they contact directly to the person listed as maintainer? [08:09] generally they contact people directly, or use a bug report. whatcha lookin' for? [08:10] well libhdhomerun is sitting at the end still, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=40 I know there were binary NEW source packages uploaded after it that have already cleared [08:10] so i wasn't sure what the big hold up was [08:10] and didnt want to poke the admins if there was somewhere they list these sorts of things [08:11] there is a new version that silicon dust just let me know about to get packaged up, but I wanted to wait for this to clear before I bothered [08:13] superm1: well its in the bzr now if you wanted to have a look [08:13] DaveMorris, did you push it up? [08:14] you need to bzr commit [08:14] followed by bzr push [08:15] oh, I did a commi [08:16] if you attach it directly to that parent branch at bazaar.launchpad.net, you can bzr commit directly [08:16] without needing to push [08:16] how do I do that? [08:16] um [08:16] man bzr. i'm not sure ;) [08:19] are you able to grab the branch though? [08:19] i just saw it on launchpad.net [08:19] that it existed [08:19] but no commits were made yet [08:21] well I've got a pushed up revison 2 message [08:22] ah yes [08:22] i see it [08:22] you included the pdf [08:22] did I [08:23] oh no [08:23] was it the latexsheet.pdf 1? [08:23] its a cheat sheet :) [08:23] yeah, I thought I'd be nice [08:24] ah good and that README describes exactly what is needed to build it [08:24] very good [08:24] I may have missed a package out [08:24] can you try it for me at some point [08:24] well i'll try to add it to mythbuntu.org tonight [08:24] and see [08:24] superm1: its not read for thaty [08:24] I've only done about 15% [08:25] www.mythbuntu.org/documentation ? [08:25] oh ok [08:25]