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nosrednaekim | Jucato: Troy on #kde told me to do this... | 03:41 |
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nosrednaekim | good... I really DIDN'T want to hurt you | 03:42 |
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Hobbsee | why dont we install samba by default? | 04:50 |
ScottK | Because it's only needed for compatibility with legacy operating systems. | 04:51 |
Hobbsee | define legacy OS's? | 04:51 |
ScottK | Windows | 04:51 |
ScottK | That's be my guess anyway | 04:52 |
Hobbsee | right, yeah, but it's still used enough | 04:52 |
Tm_T | Windows used? You're sure? | 04:52 |
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ScottK | Tm_T: Samba implements the SMB protocol which is what Windows networking uses. | 04:53 |
Tm_T | ScottK: you didn't get my sarcasm, btw "Windows" without version is too generalising, so that's false | 04:53 |
ScottK | Ah. Sorry | 04:53 |
ScottK | OK. | 04:54 |
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Tm_T | like, I have laptop with Windows, and it doesn't support samba | 04:54 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: like, zeroconf? | 04:54 |
Tm_T | actually, it doesn't support any reasonable networking except serial modem | 04:54 |
ScottK | Hobbsee: Dunno exactly. I don't do any Windows networking so I don't pay attention exactly. I associate the word zeroconf with a horribly broken thing that Novell shoved into opensuse 10.1 and is the reason I'm a Kubunt user. | 04:56 |
ScottK | I do know that works out of the box in Windows dominated networks would be a good thing for deployment even if I don't need it. | 04:57 |
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ScottK | Hobbsee: Any interest in trying out those shiny new core-dev powers? Bug #41302... | 05:06 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 41302 in postfix "resolvconf update-libc error" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41302 | 05:06 |
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Hobbsee | ScottK: you werent goign to push that thru to debian? | 05:38 |
ScottK | Hobbsee: I figured I'd get them approved here first and then if Ubuntu thought it was good, I'd send the patches to Debian. | 05:39 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: right | 05:39 |
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Hobbsee | ScottK: may as well send it in both directions, then they can decide themselves | 05:40 |
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ScottK | Also one of the postfix bugs was just reported and every now and then I like to do the open source "Bug fixed in 1 day" thing. I think it helps keep interest up among the people that report. | 05:41 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: uploaded. just check that the changelogs *do* autoclose, please | 05:42 |
ScottK | Hobbsee: WIll do. | 05:42 |
ScottK | Hobbsee: Thanks. | 05:42 |
Hobbsee | :) no problem | 05:42 |
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nixternal | hey, bug 121682 needs an ack or an upload, kthxbye | 06:01 |
nixternal | err, never mind, I just noticed the ack | 06:02 |
Jucato | kthxbye | 06:02 |
Jucato | :) | 06:02 |
nixternal | hehe | 06:03 |
nixternal | when some acks a sync request, how does that work exactly? is it manually or automagically sync'd? | 06:04 |
nixternal | I need my own Ubuntu package to maintain | 06:04 |
nixternal | my very own, like noPONY4u | 06:05 |
Jucato | lol | 06:05 |
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nixternal | noPONY~4u-0ubuntu1 | 06:05 |
nixternal | my copyright file would read "as long as you aren't Microsoft, you can do whatever you wish with this file...if you are Microsoft than HAHAHAHAHA YOUSUCK!" | 06:06 |
nixternal | haha, or HAHAHAH NOPONY~4u | 06:07 |
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Jucato | lol | 06:07 |
Tm_T | nixternal: if you put empty bottles away, that doesn't help much | 06:08 |
Jucato | how about Apple? Linspire? Xandros? :P | 06:08 |
Tm_T | except you won't hurt yourself with it then | 06:08 |
nixternal | Jucato: they can use, just not Microsoft | 06:08 |
Tm_T | nixternal: why's that? | 06:09 |
nixternal | because I said so? | 06:09 |
Tm_T | wel, I sorta asked why you say so | 06:09 |
Jucato | hehhe | 06:09 |
nixternal | I would strike a patent deal with MS, although they probably wouldn't like it | 06:09 |
Jucato | you would? O.o | 06:10 |
nixternal | man, BarCamp tomorrow :/ | 06:10 |
=== Jucato can't believe hearing that from nixternal... | ||
nixternal | ya, I would love to get ballmer and the rest of his lawyers in a room and then....... | 06:10 |
nixternal | BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! | 06:10 |
Jucato | lol! | 06:10 |
Tm_T | nixternal: tell that there's no chairs? | 06:10 |
Jucato | that I can stomach :) | 06:10 |
Tm_T | nixternal: I prefer fruit basket | 06:11 |
nixternal | hehe | 06:12 |
Tm_T | nixternal: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070617 | 06:12 |
Tm_T | "I still sit on it" hah | 06:12 |
nixternal | hahhahahaha | 06:13 |
Tm_T | see, fruit basket | 06:13 |
Jucato | hehehe :) | 06:15 |
nixternal | that is great | 06:15 |
Jucato | (nice site too) | 06:16 |
Jucato | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040404 <--- very nice :) | 06:17 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: it's manually synced, later | 06:17 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: haha. noPONY4u would be a fun package | 06:18 |
Tm_T | Jucato: nice date indeed | 06:18 |
Jucato | Tm_T: yeah. clicking on "Random" sure is fun :) | 06:18 |
Tm_T | yup | 06:18 |
Tm_T | though reading thru is more fun | 06:18 |
Tm_T | (I mean all of them) | 06:19 |
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mhb | good morning | 09:08 |
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mhb | any .desktop file wizard around? | 10:44 |
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Hobbsee | mhb: persia | 01:48 |
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mhb | Hobbsee: eh? | 01:53 |
Hobbsee | mhb: desktop file wizard | 01:53 |
Hobbsee | s/wizard/whizz/ | 01:53 |
mhb | Hobbsee: ah | 01:55 |
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mhb | Hobbsee: well, does he do KDE? | 01:55 |
Hobbsee | mhb: sure | 01:56 |
Hobbsee | hi Nightrose | 01:56 |
Nightrose | hey Hobbsee ;-) | 01:56 |
Hobbsee | :) | 01:56 |
Hobbsee | did you get that package reviewed, btw? | 01:56 |
Nightrose | yep *g* | 01:56 |
Nightrose | and your exam? | 01:58 |
Hobbsee | urgh. wasnt *too* evil. the one on monday will be worse | 01:58 |
Hobbsee | uni just isnt interesting enough, compared to ubuntu. it's troublesome. | 01:58 |
Nightrose | hehe I know | 01:58 |
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Hobbsee | hi nosrednaeki1 | 02:15 |
nosrednaeki1 | hmmm IDK what happened to my name | 02:16 |
nosrednaeki1 | hello | 02:16 |
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nosrednaekim | thats better | 02:21 |
nosrednaekim | so whats up Hobbsee | 02:21 |
Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: work is over. hooray. the boss actually pays attention to the emergency clal, which is good | 02:23 |
nosrednaekim | thats nice. | 02:25 |
Hobbsee | yeah, rather | 02:26 |
mhb | anyone tried Klash? | 02:27 |
nosrednaekim | heh mhb, I found out that I was born a week to late to be considered for the google SoC next year :( | 02:27 |
mhb | the Konqueror Free Flash Plugin | 02:28 |
fdoving | mhb: gnash with a K ? | 02:28 |
mhb | fdoving: heh, yeah | 02:29 |
fdoving | mhb: gnash worked on powerpc, to play youtube things. | 02:29 |
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fdoving | now i'm back on x86, so i don't use it anymore. | 02:29 |
mhb | fdoving: there's a spec for having free flash in Ubuntu | 02:30 |
mhb | fdoving: and there is a klash/ subdir of gnash, which should contain a Konqueror plugin | 02:30 |
fdoving | klash is in universe. | 02:31 |
mhb | is it? | 02:31 |
fdoving | apt-cache search gnash | 02:31 |
fdoving | multiple options. | 02:31 |
mhb | I see | 02:32 |
fdoving | not sure which one worked for me, i think klash didn't.. but it's a while ago. | 02:32 |
xerosis | klash doesnt work very well for me | 02:32 |
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Arby | does anybody use adept with a german locale, trying to triage bug 92883? | 04:32 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 92883 in adept "Part of the interface of adapt is not shown in German" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92883 | 04:32 |
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jjesse | morning | 05:11 |
Hobbsee | hiya | 05:12 |
jjesse | how are you Hobbsee? | 05:12 |
Hobbsee | jjesse: coping :) | 05:12 |
Hobbsee | jjesse: exams and such :( | 05:12 |
Hobbsee | jjesse: and so much i want to do for kubuntu as well - and i'm procrastinating | 05:12 |
Hobbsee | but there's tribe 2 soon, which will be fun :) | 05:12 |
jjesse | yay for tribe 2 | 05:12 |
=== Hobbsee bounces | ||
jjesse | i'm so glad i'm done w/ university | 05:12 |
nixternal | oi oi | 05:12 |
jjesse | i keep thinking about going back to get my master's but then i think better | 05:13 |
jjesse | hello nixternal how's vista today? | 05:13 |
nixternal | broken? | 05:13 |
nixternal | trojanized? | 05:13 |
jjesse | :) | 05:13 |
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jjesse | nosrednaekim: has tribe-1 completly updatede running in a vm | 05:14 |
mhb | Hobbsee: english is fun | 05:14 |
Hobbsee | mhb: hm? | 05:14 |
nosrednaekim | I want it to test out with my hardware... | 05:14 |
nosrednaekim | vm's are cheating | 05:15 |
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mhb | Hobbsee: for example, I never know which one of the words (procrastination, procreation) means what | 05:15 |
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Hobbsee | mhb: ahhh. right, yes. couldnt see how it was relevant before | 05:17 |
Hobbsee | mhb: procrastination == putting things off. | 05:17 |
mhb | Hobbsee: yeah, at least the context helps | 05:18 |
mhb | aaanyway | 05:18 |
Jucato | procrastination == what Jucato is best at :) | 05:19 |
Hobbsee | mhb: i believe dict <term> is useful | 05:19 |
mhb | aaaaanyway | 05:26 |
mhb | would you people prefer a standalone restricted manager or a systemsettings restricted manager? | 05:26 |
Hobbsee | now there's a good question | 05:27 |
Hobbsee | when does it get called? | 05:27 |
nosrednaekim | systemsettings would require integrating it into guidance wouldn't it? | 05:27 |
Jucato | one that could be integrated with the proper apps.. probably Adept... | 05:27 |
Hobbsee | mhb: is this for installing the restricted extras, or for installing video card support, etc? | 05:27 |
mhb | Hobbsee: restricted-manager is for non-free drivers & stuff | 05:28 |
Jucato | hm... good question... is the restricted manager sort of split into parts? I mean can we put the one for videos in kde-guidance? | 05:28 |
mhb | Hobbsee: like firmware | 05:28 |
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mhb | installing codecs is another story, not handled by me | 05:29 |
Hobbsee | mhb: right. i think i have an open page about it, which i havent read yet. | 05:29 |
Jucato | hm... what does the "& stuff" cover? | 05:29 |
Hobbsee | mhb: i would suspect separately, but i'm not sure. guidance may well be a good place to put it | 05:29 |
Jucato | yes, if the restricted manager for drivers is a separate program, it would probably be best to somehow make it work with guidance... but probably not hard coded into guidance? | 05:30 |
=== Jucato is trying to envision guidance eventually making it into kdebase... | ||
Jucato | (upstream) | 05:30 |
Arby | should bug 121456 be milestoned for tribe 2? | 05:31 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121456 | 05:31 |
Arby | adept appears to be unusably broken | 05:32 |
=== Jucato adds "more than usual" to that sentence | ||
Arby | Jucato: :) | 05:32 |
mhb | Jucato: firmware | 05:33 |
Arby | however, the question remains, milestone? | 05:33 |
mhb | Jucato: restricted-manager is for drivers only | 05:33 |
mhb | Arby: ( you're gonna fix it ? milestone : not sure) | 05:34 |
Jucato | mhb: ah ok. then I think systemsettings would be the place for it. maybe even a separate control module? :) | 05:34 |
Arby | mhb: I'm not capable of fixing it :) | 05:34 |
Arby | but adept is unusable as it stands | 05:34 |
mhb | Arby: you can read my opinion in that if;then;else statement then | 05:35 |
Arby | mhb: fair enough. | 05:37 |
Arby | IMHO it should be a milestone but I don't have the skills to do it so I'll leave it. | 05:37 |
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marseillai | hi | 05:38 |
Hobbsee | Arby: requires someone interested in fixing it, too | 05:39 |
Hobbsee | hiya marseillai | 05:39 |
marseillai | if anyone has time i've two package to revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5711 a big update for smplayer and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5710 and update of kima wich resolve a bug wich makes crash kicker on debian system | 05:39 |
Hobbsee | Arby: that looks local | 05:39 |
Arby | Hobbsee: Really? I don't see what you mean. | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | Arby: what happens when you do "apt-get clean"? | 05:41 |
Arby | hang on I'll check | 05:42 |
Arby | Hobbsee: the error is still the same after running apt-get clean | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | Arby: i'm not convinced it's milestone-worthy, as it looks like a local problem. | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | which error? | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | Arby: ie, what's the exact error? | 05:43 |
Arby | could not open cache | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | Arby: does it say anything about the lock? | 05:44 |
Hobbsee | oh right, is ee. | 05:44 |
Arby | as in josephb comment on the report | 05:44 |
Hobbsee | that's....okay, that's a rpblem | 05:44 |
Arby | no mention of any locks | 05:44 |
Arby | yes, yes it is :) | 05:45 |
Arby | incidentally 'sudo apt-setup' returns command not found | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | use apt-cache saerch apt setup for it | 05:45 |
Arby | looking | 05:46 |
=== Hobbsee milestones, marks as critical | ||
Arby | :) | 05:47 |
Hobbsee | (you need to be in ~ubuntu-dev to be able to milestone, and part of ~ubuntu-release to approve/decline) | 05:47 |
Arby | Hobbsee: ah, didn't know that | 05:48 |
Hobbsee | no problem. it's not well known | 05:48 |
Arby | also, apt-setup doesn't seem to exist | 05:48 |
Arby | apt-cache search apt-setup returns no results | 05:49 |
Hobbsee | right | 05:51 |
Hobbsee | then i have no idea what it refers to - man apt may bring up something | 05:51 |
Arby | Hobbsee: there is this in debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/apt-setup | 05:51 |
Arby | but no equvalent that I can find in kubuntu | 05:52 |
Hobbsee | oh neat. found a laucnhpad bug. | 05:53 |
Arby | Hobbsee: where? | 05:54 |
Hobbsee | Arby: it thinks triaged is a closed state. | 05:54 |
Arby | hehe, whoops. | 05:55 |
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Hobbsee | yeah. classy. | 05:55 |
Arby | Hobbsee: do you think I should file a bug against that adept dialogue | 05:55 |
Arby | it's misleading at best and plain wrong at worst | 05:56 |
mhb | Hobbsee: "triaged" means "no need to post other details, all is there", right? | 05:56 |
Arby | mhb: yes | 05:56 |
mhb | I'm not an Adept developer, but I must say bug 121456 doesn't look triaged at all to me :o) | 05:57 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121456 | 05:57 |
Hobbsee | mhb: pretty much. m eans "ready for fixing" | 05:58 |
Hobbsee | mhb: this is true - but it's fairly easy to check | 05:58 |
Hobbsee | as in, it's got enough info for a dev to start working on it | 05:58 |
Arby | if you can suggest what to do to gather more info I'm happy to try it | 05:59 |
Hobbsee | i dont develop adept | 05:59 |
Hobbsee | you'll have to wait for manchicken_ or Riddell over that one | 05:59 |
Arby | Hobbsee: fair enough | 06:00 |
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Hobbsee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455/comments/8 is interesting | 06:05 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed] | 06:05 |
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Hobbsee | Arby: can you confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/119408 ? | 06:24 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 119408 in kde-guidance "[gutsy] kde-guidance power manager causes screen to turn off" [Undecided,New] | 06:24 |
Arby | looking | 06:24 |
Arby | Hobbsee: no I can't reporduce that either | 06:25 |
Arby | *reproduce | 06:26 |
Hobbsee | Arby: right. want to mention that on the bug report please? | 06:26 |
Arby | sure | 06:26 |
Hobbsee | will need to poke bdmurray about that | 06:26 |
Hobbsee | thanks | 06:26 |
Hobbsee | mark it as incomplete too, please | 06:26 |
Arby | done | 06:28 |
Hobbsee | thanks very much :) | 06:28 |
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Arby | is anybody able to confirm bug 115457? | 06:40 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 115457 in adept "Adept installer crashed in Kubuntu7.04 installing Thunderbird" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115457 | 06:40 |
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ScottK | Arby: The real question is bug or feature? ;-) | 06:51 |
Arby | ScottK: hehe, true | 06:51 |
Arby | fix released: use kmail :) | 06:51 |
Arby | ScottK: what's your opinion, I'm inclined to squash it (insufficient info)? | 06:53 |
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ScottK | Arby: I'll have a look | 07:02 |
Nightrose | Riddell: apachelogger asked me to ping you about the article for amarok 1.4.6 on the dot - I just posted it | 07:03 |
ScottK | Arby: I'd leave it for another week or two and mark it invalid if the reporter doesn't respond. | 07:05 |
Arby | ScottK: OK thanks | 07:05 |
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apachelogger | anyone with thinkpad around? | 08:10 |
claydoh | not me unless you count the old (1998) 770 I have :) | 08:12 |
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Jannex | apachelogger: I have one | 08:30 |
apachelogger | Jannex: can you try a kopete plugin which is flashing the light when a message comes in? | 08:31 |
Jannex | apachelogger: Sure, in a moment | 08:32 |
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apachelogger | Jannex: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kopete-thinklight/kopete-thinklight_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 08:45 |
apachelogger | it should automatically set proper permissions for the proc file to access the light | 08:45 |
apachelogger | that's new in 0.3 and I'm not entirely sure whether this works as supposed | 08:46 |
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apachelogger | -f | 08:46 |
apachelogger | ;-) | 08:46 |
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mhb | hi ryan | 10:13 |
mhb | RadiantFire: ^^ | 10:13 |
RadiantFire | hey mhb | 10:13 |
RadiantFire | how goes it? | 10:15 |
mhb | RadiantFire: well, I'm kind of stuck | 10:17 |
mhb | RadiantFire: gdebi-kde has to be merged first and I haven't started restricted-manager yet | 10:17 |
mhb | RadiantFire: so I'm probably ready for some kdesudo action :o) | 10:18 |
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pdenapo | Hi | 10:22 |
pdenapo | I'm trying to make my own kubuntu live cd | 10:22 |
pdenapo | for mathematics | 10:22 |
pdenapo | can I remove the "bin" or the "pool" directory from the live CD for making room for other things? | 10:23 |
pdenapo | I don't need win32 applications | 10:23 |
pdenapo | and why there are some .deb packages that are not in the the compressed (squashfs) filesystem? | 10:24 |
pdenapo | join /ubuntu-iso | 10:26 |
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RadiantFire | hello again mhb | 10:42 |
mhb | RadiantFire: hello again to you | 10:44 |
RadiantFire | I think I finally got everything working again. I had a tiny UPS that decided to fry this morning | 10:44 |
mhb | RadiantFire: could I ask you for something? | 10:45 |
RadiantFire | sure | 10:45 |
mhb | RadiantFire: could you please create a new file for your sudo endeavours? | 10:45 |
RadiantFire | you can always ask ;-) | 10:45 |
RadiantFire | ok | 10:46 |
mhb | RadiantFire: so sudoprocess.cpp will be for using ptyprocess, whereas someothersudoprocess.cpp will be for reimplementing ptyprocess, which you tried to do, I gues | 10:46 |
mhb | s | 10:46 |
RadiantFire | this can be arranged | 10:46 |
mhb | thanks so much | 10:47 |
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RadiantFire | i hate to reinvent the wheel, but the end goal is to give me enough of an understanding to figure out why the other way isn't working | 10:49 |
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mhb | RadiantFire: no problem, poke me once you commit a new file, so I can keep my changes in the old one | 10:56 |
RadiantFire | sure, just shuffling them around now | 10:57 |
mhb | RadiantFire: done, do bzr up | 11:10 |
RadiantFire | sorry, didn't mean to clobber that file, I was just using it to get a hang for how the PtyProcess works | 11:10 |
RadiantFire | er, how pty's work anyway | 11:10 |
mhb | no problem | 11:11 |
RadiantFire | mhb: so, I have made the library implementation of pty process do what I want :-) | 11:18 |
mhb | RadiantFire: mmm, my sudoprocess.cpp gets linked in with you ptyprocess implementation | 11:20 |
mhb | RadiantFire: => ld error | 11:20 |
RadiantFire | sorry, I'm done with it | 11:20 |
RadiantFire | just get rid of the main | 11:20 |
RadiantFire | actually | 11:20 |
RadiantFire | I'll get rid of the main | 11:20 |
mhb | RadiantFire: did you find out how to make sudo report to the same pty? | 11:21 |
RadiantFire | I'm still working on that | 11:21 |
RadiantFire | but I have a grasp of pty now, so I don't need the PtyProcess anymore | 11:21 |
RadiantFire | was just using it to test out some ideas, get a handle on how it worked | 11:22 |
RadiantFire | I'm actually off to dinner with the uncle, but I'll bbl, and tackle that problem | 11:22 |
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