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nosrednaekimJucato: Troy on #kde told me to do this...03:41
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nosrednaekimgood... I really DIDN'T want to hurt you03:42
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Hobbseewhy dont we install samba by default?04:50
ScottKBecause it's only needed for compatibility with legacy operating systems.04:51
Hobbseedefine legacy OS's?04:51
ScottKWindows04:51
ScottKThat's be my guess anyway04:52
Hobbseeright, yeah, but it's still used enough04:52
Tm_TWindows used? You're sure?04:52
=== ScottK actually thinks a "Windows out of the box network compatibilty" spec would be a good one for someone (not me) to do.
ScottKTm_T: Samba implements the SMB protocol which is what Windows networking uses.04:53
Tm_TScottK: you didn't get my sarcasm, btw "Windows" without version is too generalising, so that's false04:53
ScottKAh.  Sorry04:53
ScottKOK.04:54
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Tm_Tlike, I have laptop with Windows, and it doesn't support samba04:54
HobbseeScottK: like, zeroconf?04:54
Tm_Tactually, it doesn't support any reasonable networking except serial modem04:54
ScottKHobbsee: Dunno exactly.  I don't do any Windows networking so I don't pay attention exactly.  I associate the word zeroconf with a horribly broken thing that Novell shoved into opensuse 10.1 and is the reason I'm a Kubunt user.04:56
ScottKI do know that works out of the box in Windows dominated networks would be a good thing for deployment even if I don't need it.04:57
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ScottKHobbsee: Any interest in trying out those shiny new core-dev powers?  Bug #41302...05:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 41302 in postfix "resolvconf update-libc error" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4130205:06
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HobbseeScottK: you werent goign to push that thru to debian?05:38
ScottKHobbsee: I figured I'd get them approved here first and then if Ubuntu thought it was good, I'd send the patches to Debian.05:39
HobbseeScottK: right05:39
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HobbseeScottK: may as well send it in both directions, then they can decide themselves05:40
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ScottKAlso one of the postfix bugs was just reported and every now and then I like to do the open source "Bug fixed in 1 day" thing.  I think it helps keep interest up among the people that report.05:41
HobbseeScottK: uploaded.  just check that the changelogs *do* autoclose, please05:42
ScottKHobbsee: WIll do.05:42
ScottKHobbsee: Thanks.05:42
Hobbsee:) no problem05:42
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nixternalhey, bug 121682 needs an ack or an upload, kthxbye06:01
nixternalerr, never mind, I just noticed the ack06:02
Jucatokthxbye06:02
Jucato:)06:02
nixternalhehe06:03
nixternalwhen some acks a sync request, how does that work exactly? is it manually or automagically sync'd?06:04
nixternalI need my own Ubuntu package to maintain06:04
nixternalmy very own, like noPONY4u06:05
Jucatolol06:05
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nixternalnoPONY~4u-0ubuntu106:05
nixternalmy copyright file would read "as long as you aren't Microsoft, you can do whatever you wish with this file...if you are Microsoft than HAHAHAHAHA YOUSUCK!"06:06
nixternalhaha, or HAHAHAH NOPONY~4u06:07
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Jucatolol06:07
Tm_Tnixternal: if you put empty bottles away, that doesn't help much06:08
Jucatohow about Apple? Linspire? Xandros? :P06:08
Tm_Texcept you won't hurt yourself with it then06:08
nixternalJucato: they can use, just not Microsoft06:08
Tm_Tnixternal: why's that?06:09
nixternalbecause I said so?06:09
Tm_Twel, I sorta asked why you say so06:09
Jucatohehhe06:09
nixternalI would strike a patent deal with MS, although they probably wouldn't like it06:09
Jucatoyou would? O.o06:10
nixternalman, BarCamp tomorrow :/06:10
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nixternalya, I would love to get ballmer and the rest of his lawyers in a room and then.......06:10
nixternalBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!06:10
Jucatolol!06:10
Tm_Tnixternal: tell that there's no chairs?06:10
Jucatothat I can stomach :)06:10
Tm_Tnixternal: I prefer fruit basket06:11
nixternalhehe06:12
Tm_Tnixternal: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2007061706:12
Tm_T"I still sit on it" hah06:12
nixternalhahhahahaha06:13
Tm_Tsee, fruit basket06:13
Jucatohehehe :)06:15
nixternalthat is great06:15
Jucato(nice site too)06:16
Jucatohttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040404 <--- very nice :)06:17
Hobbseenixternal: it's manually synced, later06:17
Hobbseenixternal: haha.  noPONY4u would be a fun package06:18
Tm_TJucato: nice date indeed06:18
JucatoTm_T: yeah. clicking on "Random" sure is fun :)06:18
Tm_Tyup06:18
Tm_Tthough reading thru is more fun06:18
Tm_T(I mean all of them)06:19
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mhbgood morning09:08
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mhbany .desktop file wizard around?10:44
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Hobbseemhb: persia01:48
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mhbHobbsee: eh?01:53
Hobbseemhb: desktop file wizard01:53
Hobbsees/wizard/whizz/01:53
mhbHobbsee: ah01:55
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mhbHobbsee: well, does he do KDE?01:55
Hobbseemhb: sure01:56
Hobbseehi Nightrose01:56
Nightrosehey Hobbsee ;-)01:56
Hobbsee:)01:56
Hobbseedid you get that package reviewed, btw?01:56
Nightroseyep  *g*01:56
Nightroseand your exam?01:58
Hobbseeurgh.  wasnt *too* evil.  the one on monday will be worse01:58
Hobbseeuni just isnt interesting enough, compared to ubuntu.  it's troublesome.01:58
Nightrosehehe I know01:58
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Hobbseehi nosrednaeki102:15
nosrednaeki1hmmm IDK what happened to my name02:16
nosrednaeki1hello02:16
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nosrednaekimthats better02:21
nosrednaekimso whats up Hobbsee02:21
Hobbseenosrednaekim: work is over.  hooray.  the boss actually pays attention to the emergency clal, which is good02:23
nosrednaekimthats nice.02:25
Hobbseeyeah, rather02:26
mhbanyone tried Klash?02:27
nosrednaekimheh mhb, I found out that I was born a week to late to be considered for the google SoC next year :(02:27
mhbthe Konqueror Free Flash Plugin02:28
fdovingmhb: gnash with a K ?02:28
mhbfdoving: heh, yeah02:29
fdovingmhb: gnash worked on powerpc, to play youtube things.02:29
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fdovingnow i'm back on x86, so i don't use it anymore.02:29
mhbfdoving: there's a spec for having free flash in Ubuntu02:30
mhbfdoving: and there is a klash/ subdir of gnash, which should contain a Konqueror plugin02:30
fdovingklash is in universe.02:31
mhbis it?02:31
fdovingapt-cache search gnash02:31
fdovingmultiple options.02:31
mhbI see02:32
fdovingnot sure which one worked for me, i think klash didn't.. but it's a while ago.02:32
xerosisklash doesnt work very well for me02:32
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Arbydoes anybody use adept with a german locale, trying to triage bug 92883?04:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 92883 in adept "Part of the interface of adapt is not shown in German" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9288304:32
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jjessemorning05:11
Hobbseehiya05:12
jjessehow are you Hobbsee?05:12
Hobbseejjesse: coping :)05:12
Hobbseejjesse: exams and such :(05:12
Hobbseejjesse: and so much i want to do for kubuntu as well - and i'm procrastinating05:12
Hobbseebut there's tribe 2 soon, which will be fun :)05:12
jjesseyay for tribe 205:12
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jjessei'm so glad i'm done w/ university05:12
nixternaloi oi05:12
jjessei keep thinking about going back to get my master's but then i think better05:13
jjessehello nixternal how's vista today?05:13
nixternalbroken?05:13
nixternaltrojanized?05:13
jjesse:)05:13
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jjessenosrednaekim: has tribe-1 completly updatede running in a vm05:14
mhbHobbsee: english is fun05:14
Hobbseemhb: hm?05:14
nosrednaekimI want it to test out with my hardware...05:14
nosrednaekimvm's are cheating05:15
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mhbHobbsee: for example, I never know which one of the words (procrastination, procreation) means what05:15
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Hobbseemhb: ahhh.  right, yes.  couldnt see how it was relevant before05:17
Hobbseemhb: procrastination == putting things off.05:17
mhbHobbsee: yeah, at least the context helps05:18
mhbaaanyway05:18
Jucatoprocrastination == what Jucato is best at :)05:19
Hobbseemhb: i believe dict <term> is useful05:19
mhbaaaaanyway05:26
mhbwould you people prefer a standalone restricted manager or a systemsettings restricted manager?05:26
Hobbseenow there's a good question05:27
Hobbseewhen does it get called?05:27
nosrednaekimsystemsettings would require integrating it into guidance wouldn't it?05:27
Jucatoone that could be integrated with the proper apps.. probably Adept...05:27
Hobbseemhb: is this for installing the restricted extras, or for installing video card support, etc?05:27
mhbHobbsee: restricted-manager is for non-free drivers & stuff05:28
Jucatohm... good question... is the restricted manager sort of split into parts? I mean can we put the one for videos in kde-guidance?05:28
mhbHobbsee: like firmware05:28
=== Jucato thinks real hard...
mhbinstalling codecs is another story, not handled by me05:29
Hobbseemhb: right.  i think i have an open page about it, which i havent read yet.05:29
Jucatohm... what does the "& stuff" cover?05:29
Hobbseemhb: i would suspect separately, but i'm not sure. guidance may well be a good place to put it05:29
Jucatoyes, if the restricted manager for drivers is a separate program, it would probably be best to somehow make it work with guidance... but probably not hard coded into guidance?05:30
=== Jucato is trying to envision guidance eventually making it into kdebase...
Jucato(upstream)05:30
Arbyshould bug 121456 be milestoned for tribe 2?05:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12145605:31
Arbyadept appears to be unusably broken05:32
=== Jucato adds "more than usual" to that sentence
ArbyJucato: :)05:32
mhbJucato: firmware05:33
Arbyhowever, the question remains, milestone?05:33
mhbJucato: restricted-manager is for drivers only05:33
mhbArby: ( you're gonna fix it ? milestone : not sure)05:34
Jucatomhb: ah ok. then I think systemsettings would be the place for it. maybe even a separate control module? :)05:34
Arbymhb: I'm not capable of fixing it :)05:34
Arbybut adept is unusable as it stands05:34
mhbArby: you can read my opinion in that if;then;else statement then05:35
Arbymhb: fair enough.05:37
ArbyIMHO it should be a milestone but I don't have the skills to do it so I'll leave it.05:37
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marseillaihi05:38
HobbseeArby: requires someone interested in fixing it, too05:39
Hobbseehiya marseillai05:39
marseillaiif anyone has time i've two package to revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5711 a big update for smplayer and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5710 and update of kima wich resolve a bug wich makes crash kicker on debian system05:39
HobbseeArby: that looks local05:39
ArbyHobbsee: Really? I don't see what you mean.05:40
HobbseeArby: what happens when you do "apt-get clean"?05:41
Arbyhang on I'll check05:42
ArbyHobbsee: the error is still the same after running apt-get clean05:43
HobbseeArby: i'm not convinced it's milestone-worthy, as it looks like a local problem.05:43
Hobbseewhich error?05:43
HobbseeArby: ie, what's the exact error?05:43
Arbycould not open cache05:43
HobbseeArby: does it say anything about the lock?05:44
Hobbseeoh right, is ee.05:44
Arbyas in josephb comment on the report05:44
Hobbseethat's....okay, that's a rpblem05:44
Arbyno mention of any locks05:44
Arbyyes, yes it is :)05:45
Arbyincidentally 'sudo apt-setup' returns command not found05:45
Hobbseeuse apt-cache saerch apt setup for it05:45
Arbylooking05:46
=== Hobbsee milestones, marks as critical
Arby:)05:47
Hobbsee(you need to be in ~ubuntu-dev to be able to milestone, and part of ~ubuntu-release to approve/decline)05:47
ArbyHobbsee: ah, didn't know that05:48
Hobbseeno problem.  it's not well known05:48
Arbyalso, apt-setup doesn't seem to exist05:48
Arbyapt-cache search apt-setup returns no results05:49
Hobbseeright05:51
Hobbseethen i have no idea what it refers to - man apt may bring up something05:51
ArbyHobbsee: there is this in debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/apt-setup05:51
Arbybut no equvalent that I can find in kubuntu05:52
Hobbseeoh neat.  found a laucnhpad bug.05:53
ArbyHobbsee: where?05:54
HobbseeArby: it thinks triaged is a closed state.05:54
Arbyhehe, whoops.05:55
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Hobbseeyeah.  classy.05:55
ArbyHobbsee: do you think I should file a bug against that adept dialogue05:55
Arbyit's misleading at best and plain wrong at worst05:56
mhbHobbsee: "triaged" means "no need to post other details, all is there", right?05:56
Arbymhb: yes05:56
mhbI'm not an Adept developer, but I must say bug 121456 doesn't look triaged at all to me :o)05:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12145605:57
Hobbseemhb: pretty much. m eans "ready for fixing"05:58
Hobbseemhb: this is true - but it's fairly easy to check05:58
Hobbseeas in, it's got enough info for a dev to start working on it05:58
Arbyif you can suggest what to do to gather more info I'm happy to try it05:59
Hobbseei dont develop adept05:59
Hobbseeyou'll have to wait for manchicken_ or Riddell over that one05:59
ArbyHobbsee: fair enough06:00
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Hobbseehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455/comments/8 is interesting06:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed] 06:05
=== Hobbsee tribe-3 milestones it, so it doesnt get lost.
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HobbseeArby: can you confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/119408 ?06:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119408 in kde-guidance "[gutsy]  kde-guidance power manager causes screen to turn off" [Undecided,New] 06:24
Arbylooking06:24
ArbyHobbsee: no I can't reporduce that either06:25
Arby*reproduce06:26
HobbseeArby: right.  want to mention that on the bug report please?06:26
Arbysure06:26
Hobbseewill need to poke bdmurray about that06:26
Hobbseethanks06:26
Hobbseemark it as incomplete too, please06:26
Arbydone06:28
Hobbseethanks very much :)06:28
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Arbyis anybody able to confirm bug 115457?06:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115457 in adept "Adept installer crashed in Kubuntu7.04 installing Thunderbird" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11545706:40
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ScottKArby: The real question is bug or feature? ;-)06:51
ArbyScottK: hehe, true06:51
Arbyfix released: use kmail :)06:51
ArbyScottK: what's your opinion, I'm inclined to squash it (insufficient info)?06:53
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ScottKArby: I'll have a look07:02
NightroseRiddell: apachelogger asked me to ping you about the article for amarok 1.4.6 on the dot - I just posted it07:03
ScottKArby: I'd leave it for another week or two and mark it invalid if the reporter doesn't respond.07:05
ArbyScottK: OK thanks07:05
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apacheloggeranyone with thinkpad around?08:10
claydohnot me unless you count the old (1998) 770 I have :)08:12
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Jannexapachelogger: I have one08:30
apacheloggerJannex: can you try a kopete plugin which is flashing the light when a message comes in?08:31
Jannexapachelogger: Sure, in a moment08:32
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apacheloggerJannex: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kopete-thinklight/kopete-thinklight_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb08:45
apacheloggerit should automatically set proper permissions for the proc file to access the light08:45
apacheloggerthat's new in 0.3 and I'm not entirely sure whether this works as supposed08:46
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apachelogger;-)08:46
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mhbhi ryan10:13
mhbRadiantFire: ^^10:13
RadiantFirehey mhb10:13
RadiantFirehow goes it?10:15
mhbRadiantFire: well, I'm kind of stuck10:17
mhbRadiantFire: gdebi-kde has to be merged first and I haven't started restricted-manager yet10:17
mhbRadiantFire: so I'm probably ready for some kdesudo action :o)10:18
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pdenapoHi10:22
pdenapoI'm trying to make my own kubuntu live cd10:22
pdenapofor mathematics10:22
pdenapocan I remove the "bin" or the "pool" directory from the live CD for making room for other things?10:23
pdenapoI don't need win32 applications10:23
pdenapoand why there are some .deb packages that are not in the the compressed (squashfs) filesystem?10:24
pdenapojoin /ubuntu-iso10:26
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RadiantFirehello again mhb10:42
mhbRadiantFire: hello again to you10:44
RadiantFireI think I finally got everything working again. I had a tiny UPS that decided to fry this morning10:44
mhbRadiantFire: could I ask you for something?10:45
RadiantFiresure10:45
mhbRadiantFire: could you please create a new file for your sudo endeavours?10:45
RadiantFireyou can always ask ;-)10:45
RadiantFireok10:46
mhbRadiantFire: so sudoprocess.cpp will be for using ptyprocess, whereas someothersudoprocess.cpp will be for reimplementing ptyprocess, which you tried to do, I gues10:46
mhbs10:46
RadiantFirethis can be arranged10:46
mhbthanks so much10:47
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RadiantFirei hate to reinvent the wheel, but the end goal is to give me enough of an understanding to figure out why the other way isn't working10:49
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mhbRadiantFire: no problem, poke me once you commit a new file, so I can keep my changes in the old one10:56
RadiantFiresure, just shuffling them around now10:57
mhbRadiantFire: done, do bzr up11:10
RadiantFiresorry, didn't mean to clobber that file, I was just using it to get a hang for how the PtyProcess works11:10
RadiantFireer, how pty's work anyway11:10
mhbno problem11:11
RadiantFiremhb: so, I have made the library implementation of pty process do what I want :-)11:18
mhbRadiantFire: mmm, my sudoprocess.cpp gets linked in with you ptyprocess implementation11:20
mhbRadiantFire: => ld error11:20
RadiantFiresorry, I'm done with it11:20
RadiantFirejust get rid of the main11:20
RadiantFireactually11:20
RadiantFireI'll get rid of the main11:20
mhbRadiantFire: did you find out how to make sudo report to the same pty?11:21
RadiantFireI'm still working on that11:21
RadiantFirebut I have a grasp of pty now, so I don't need the PtyProcess anymore11:21
RadiantFirewas just using it to test out some ideas, get a handle on how it worked11:22
RadiantFireI'm actually off to dinner with the uncle, but I'll bbl, and tackle that problem11:22
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