[03:41] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: Troy on #kde told me to do this...
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> good... I really DIDN'T want to hurt you
[04:50] <Hobbsee> why dont we install samba by default?
[04:51] <ScottK> Because it's only needed for compatibility with legacy operating systems.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> define legacy OS's?
[04:51] <ScottK> Windows
[04:52] <ScottK> That's be my guess anyway
[04:52] <Hobbsee> right, yeah, but it's still used enough
[04:52] <Tm_T> Windows used? You're sure?
[04:53] <ScottK> Tm_T: Samba implements the SMB protocol which is what Windows networking uses.
[04:53] <Tm_T> ScottK: you didn't get my sarcasm, btw "Windows" without version is too generalising, so that's false
[04:53] <ScottK> Ah.  Sorry
[04:54] <ScottK> OK.
[04:54] <Tm_T> like, I have laptop with Windows, and it doesn't support samba
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ScottK: like, zeroconf?
[04:54] <Tm_T> actually, it doesn't support any reasonable networking except serial modem
[04:56] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Dunno exactly.  I don't do any Windows networking so I don't pay attention exactly.  I associate the word zeroconf with a horribly broken thing that Novell shoved into opensuse 10.1 and is the reason I'm a Kubunt user.
[04:57] <ScottK> I do know that works out of the box in Windows dominated networks would be a good thing for deployment even if I don't need it.
[05:06] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Any interest in trying out those shiny new core-dev powers?  Bug #41302...
[05:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41302 in postfix "resolvconf update-libc error" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41302
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you werent goign to push that thru to debian?
[05:39] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I figured I'd get them approved here first and then if Ubuntu thought it was good, I'd send the patches to Debian.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: right
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: may as well send it in both directions, then they can decide themselves
[05:41] <ScottK> Also one of the postfix bugs was just reported and every now and then I like to do the open source "Bug fixed in 1 day" thing.  I think it helps keep interest up among the people that report.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: uploaded.  just check that the changelogs *do* autoclose, please
[05:42] <ScottK> Hobbsee: WIll do.
[05:42] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> :) no problem
[06:01] <nixternal> hey, bug 121682 needs an ack or an upload, kthxbye
[06:02] <nixternal> err, never mind, I just noticed the ack
[06:02] <Jucato> kthxbye
[06:02] <Jucato> :)
[06:03] <nixternal> hehe
[06:04] <nixternal> when some acks a sync request, how does that work exactly? is it manually or automagically sync'd?
[06:04] <nixternal> I need my own Ubuntu package to maintain
[06:05] <nixternal> my very own, like noPONY4u
[06:05] <Jucato> lol
[06:05] <nixternal> noPONY~4u-0ubuntu1
[06:06] <nixternal> my copyright file would read "as long as you aren't Microsoft, you can do whatever you wish with this file...if you are Microsoft than HAHAHAHAHA YOUSUCK!"
[06:07] <nixternal> haha, or HAHAHAH NOPONY~4u
[06:07] <Jucato> lol
[06:08] <Tm_T> nixternal: if you put empty bottles away, that doesn't help much
[06:08] <Jucato> how about Apple? Linspire? Xandros? :P
[06:08] <Tm_T> except you won't hurt yourself with it then
[06:08] <nixternal> Jucato: they can use, just not Microsoft
[06:09] <Tm_T> nixternal: why's that?
[06:09] <nixternal> because I said so?
[06:09] <Tm_T> wel, I sorta asked why you say so
[06:09] <Jucato> hehhe
[06:09] <nixternal> I would strike a patent deal with MS, although they probably wouldn't like it
[06:10] <Jucato> you would? O.o
[06:10] <nixternal> man, BarCamp tomorrow :/
[06:10] <nixternal> ya, I would love to get ballmer and the rest of his lawyers in a room and then.......
[06:10] <nixternal> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:10] <Jucato> lol!
[06:10] <Tm_T> nixternal: tell that there's no chairs?
[06:10] <Jucato> that I can stomach :)
[06:11] <Tm_T> nixternal: I prefer fruit basket
[06:12] <nixternal> hehe
[06:12] <Tm_T> nixternal: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070617
[06:12] <Tm_T> "I still sit on it" hah
[06:13] <nixternal> hahhahahaha
[06:13] <Tm_T> see, fruit basket
[06:15] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[06:15] <nixternal> that is great
[06:16] <Jucato> (nice site too)
[06:17] <Jucato> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040404 <--- very nice :)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's manually synced, later
[06:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha.  noPONY4u would be a fun package
[06:18] <Tm_T> Jucato: nice date indeed
[06:18] <Jucato> Tm_T: yeah. clicking on "Random" sure is fun :)
[06:18] <Tm_T> yup
[06:18] <Tm_T> though reading thru is more fun
[06:19] <Tm_T> (I mean all of them)
[09:08] <mhb> good morning
[10:44] <mhb> any .desktop file wizard around?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> mhb: persia
[01:53] <mhb> Hobbsee: eh?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: desktop file wizard
[01:53] <Hobbsee> s/wizard/whizz/
[01:55] <mhb> Hobbsee: ah
[01:55] <mhb> Hobbsee: well, does he do KDE?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> mhb: sure
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hi Nightrose
[01:56] <Nightrose> hey Hobbsee ;-)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> did you get that package reviewed, btw?
[01:56] <Nightrose> yep  *g*
[01:58] <Nightrose> and your exam?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> urgh.  wasnt *too* evil.  the one on monday will be worse
[01:58] <Hobbsee> uni just isnt interesting enough, compared to ubuntu.  it's troublesome.
[01:58] <Nightrose> hehe I know
[02:15] <Hobbsee> hi nosrednaeki1
[02:16] <nosrednaeki1> hmmm IDK what happened to my name
[02:16] <nosrednaeki1> hello
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> thats better
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> so whats up Hobbsee
[02:23] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: work is over.  hooray.  the boss actually pays attention to the emergency clal, which is good
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> thats nice.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, rather
[02:27] <mhb> anyone tried Klash?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> heh mhb, I found out that I was born a week to late to be considered for the google SoC next year :(
[02:28] <mhb> the Konqueror Free Flash Plugin
[02:28] <fdoving> mhb: gnash with a K ?
[02:29] <mhb> fdoving: heh, yeah
[02:29] <fdoving> mhb: gnash worked on powerpc, to play youtube things.
[02:29] <fdoving> now i'm back on x86, so i don't use it anymore.
[02:30] <mhb> fdoving: there's a spec for having free flash in Ubuntu
[02:30] <mhb> fdoving: and there is a klash/ subdir of gnash, which should contain a Konqueror plugin
[02:31] <fdoving> klash is in universe.
[02:31] <mhb> is it?
[02:31] <fdoving> apt-cache search gnash
[02:31] <fdoving> multiple options.
[02:32] <mhb> I see
[02:32] <fdoving> not sure which one worked for me, i think klash didn't.. but it's a while ago.
[02:32] <xerosis> klash doesnt work very well for me
[04:32] <Arby> does anybody use adept with a german locale, trying to triage bug 92883?
[04:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92883 in adept "Part of the interface of adapt is not shown in German" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92883
[05:11] <jjesse> morning
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:12] <jjesse> how are you Hobbsee?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: coping :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: exams and such :(
[05:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and so much i want to do for kubuntu as well - and i'm procrastinating
[05:12] <Hobbsee> but there's tribe 2 soon, which will be fun :)
[05:12] <jjesse> yay for tribe 2
[05:12] <jjesse> i'm so glad i'm done w/ university
[05:12] <nixternal> oi oi
[05:13] <jjesse> i keep thinking about going back to get my master's but then i think better
[05:13] <jjesse> hello nixternal how's vista today?
[05:13] <nixternal> broken?
[05:13] <nixternal> trojanized?
[05:13] <jjesse> :)
[05:14] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: has tribe-1 completly updatede running in a vm
[05:14] <mhb> Hobbsee: english is fun
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: hm?
[05:14] <nosrednaekim> I want it to test out with my hardware...
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> vm's are cheating
[05:15] <mhb> Hobbsee: for example, I never know which one of the words (procrastination, procreation) means what
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahhh.  right, yes.  couldnt see how it was relevant before
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mhb: procrastination == putting things off.
[05:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: yeah, at least the context helps
[05:18] <mhb> aaanyway
[05:19] <Jucato> procrastination == what Jucato is best at :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mhb: i believe dict <term> is useful
[05:26] <mhb> aaaaanyway
[05:26] <mhb> would you people prefer a standalone restricted manager or a systemsettings restricted manager?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> now there's a good question
[05:27] <Hobbsee> when does it get called?
[05:27] <nosrednaekim> systemsettings would require integrating it into guidance wouldn't it?
[05:27] <Jucato> one that could be integrated with the proper apps.. probably Adept...
[05:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: is this for installing the restricted extras, or for installing video card support, etc?
[05:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: restricted-manager is for non-free drivers & stuff
[05:28] <Jucato> hm... good question... is the restricted manager sort of split into parts? I mean can we put the one for videos in kde-guidance?
[05:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: like firmware
[05:29] <mhb> installing codecs is another story, not handled by me
[05:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: right.  i think i have an open page about it, which i havent read yet.
[05:29] <Jucato> hm... what does the "& stuff" cover?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: i would suspect separately, but i'm not sure. guidance may well be a good place to put it
[05:30] <Jucato> yes, if the restricted manager for drivers is a separate program, it would probably be best to somehow make it work with guidance... but probably not hard coded into guidance?
[05:30] <Jucato> (upstream)
[05:31] <Arby> should bug 121456 be milestoned for tribe 2?
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121456
[05:32] <Arby> adept appears to be unusably broken
[05:32] <Arby> Jucato: :)
[05:33] <mhb> Jucato: firmware
[05:33] <Arby> however, the question remains, milestone?
[05:33] <mhb> Jucato: restricted-manager is for drivers only
[05:34] <mhb> Arby: ( you're gonna fix it ? milestone : not sure)
[05:34] <Jucato> mhb: ah ok. then I think systemsettings would be the place for it. maybe even a separate control module? :)
[05:34] <Arby> mhb: I'm not capable of fixing it :)
[05:34] <Arby> but adept is unusable as it stands
[05:35] <mhb> Arby: you can read my opinion in that if;then;else statement then
[05:37] <Arby> mhb: fair enough.
[05:37] <Arby> IMHO it should be a milestone but I don't have the skills to do it so I'll leave it.
[05:38] <marseillai> hi
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Arby: requires someone interested in fixing it, too
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hiya marseillai
[05:39] <marseillai> if anyone has time i've two package to revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5711 a big update for smplayer and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5710 and update of kima wich resolve a bug wich makes crash kicker on debian system
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Arby: that looks local
[05:40] <Arby> Hobbsee: Really? I don't see what you mean.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Arby: what happens when you do "apt-get clean"?
[05:42] <Arby> hang on I'll check
[05:43] <Arby> Hobbsee: the error is still the same after running apt-get clean
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Arby: i'm not convinced it's milestone-worthy, as it looks like a local problem.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> which error?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Arby: ie, what's the exact error?
[05:43] <Arby> could not open cache
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Arby: does it say anything about the lock?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> oh right, is ee.
[05:44] <Arby> as in josephb comment on the report
[05:44] <Hobbsee> that's....okay, that's a rpblem
[05:44] <Arby> no mention of any locks
[05:45] <Arby> yes, yes it is :)
[05:45] <Arby> incidentally 'sudo apt-setup' returns command not found
[05:45] <Hobbsee> use apt-cache saerch apt setup for it
[05:46] <Arby> looking
[05:47] <Arby> :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> (you need to be in ~ubuntu-dev to be able to milestone, and part of ~ubuntu-release to approve/decline)
[05:48] <Arby> Hobbsee: ah, didn't know that
[05:48] <Hobbsee> no problem.  it's not well known
[05:48] <Arby> also, apt-setup doesn't seem to exist
[05:49] <Arby> apt-cache search apt-setup returns no results
[05:51] <Hobbsee> right
[05:51] <Hobbsee> then i have no idea what it refers to - man apt may bring up something
[05:51] <Arby> Hobbsee: there is this in debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/apt-setup
[05:52] <Arby> but no equvalent that I can find in kubuntu
[05:53] <Hobbsee> oh neat.  found a laucnhpad bug.
[05:54] <Arby> Hobbsee: where?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Arby: it thinks triaged is a closed state.
[05:55] <Arby> hehe, whoops.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> yeah.  classy.
[05:55] <Arby> Hobbsee: do you think I should file a bug against that adept dialogue
[05:56] <Arby> it's misleading at best and plain wrong at worst
[05:56] <mhb> Hobbsee: "triaged" means "no need to post other details, all is there", right?
[05:56] <Arby> mhb: yes
[05:57] <mhb> I'm not an Adept developer, but I must say bug 121456 doesn't look triaged at all to me :o)
[05:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121456
[05:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: pretty much. m eans "ready for fixing"
[05:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: this is true - but it's fairly easy to check
[05:58] <Hobbsee> as in, it's got enough info for a dev to start working on it
[05:59] <Arby> if you can suggest what to do to gather more info I'm happy to try it
[05:59] <Hobbsee> i dont develop adept
[05:59] <Hobbsee> you'll have to wait for manchicken_ or Riddell over that one
[06:00] <Arby> Hobbsee: fair enough
[06:05] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455/comments/8 is interesting
[06:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed] 
[06:24] <Hobbsee> Arby: can you confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/119408 ?
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119408 in kde-guidance "[gutsy]  kde-guidance power manager causes screen to turn off" [Undecided,New] 
[06:24] <Arby> looking
[06:25] <Arby> Hobbsee: no I can't reporduce that either
[06:26] <Arby> *reproduce
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Arby: right.  want to mention that on the bug report please?
[06:26] <Arby> sure
[06:26] <Hobbsee> will need to poke bdmurray about that
[06:26] <Hobbsee> thanks
[06:26] <Hobbsee> mark it as incomplete too, please
[06:28] <Arby> done
[06:28] <Hobbsee> thanks very much :)
[06:40] <Arby> is anybody able to confirm bug 115457?
[06:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115457 in adept "Adept installer crashed in Kubuntu7.04 installing Thunderbird" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115457
[06:51] <ScottK> Arby: The real question is bug or feature? ;-)
[06:51] <Arby> ScottK: hehe, true
[06:51] <Arby> fix released: use kmail :)
[06:53] <Arby> ScottK: what's your opinion, I'm inclined to squash it (insufficient info)?
[07:02] <ScottK> Arby: I'll have a look
[07:03] <Nightrose> Riddell: apachelogger asked me to ping you about the article for amarok 1.4.6 on the dot - I just posted it
[07:05] <ScottK> Arby: I'd leave it for another week or two and mark it invalid if the reporter doesn't respond.
[07:05] <Arby> ScottK: OK thanks
[08:10] <apachelogger> anyone with thinkpad around?
[08:12] <claydoh> not me unless you count the old (1998) 770 I have :)
[08:30] <Jannex> apachelogger: I have one
[08:31] <apachelogger> Jannex: can you try a kopete plugin which is flashing the light when a message comes in?
[08:32] <Jannex> apachelogger: Sure, in a moment
[08:45] <apachelogger> Jannex: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kopete-thinklight/kopete-thinklight_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:45] <apachelogger> it should automatically set proper permissions for the proc file to access the light
[08:46] <apachelogger> that's new in 0.3 and I'm not entirely sure whether this works as supposed
[08:46] <apachelogger> -f
[08:46] <apachelogger> ;-)
[10:13] <mhb> hi ryan
[10:13] <mhb> RadiantFire: ^^
[10:13] <RadiantFire> hey mhb
[10:15] <RadiantFire> how goes it?
[10:17] <mhb> RadiantFire: well, I'm kind of stuck
[10:17] <mhb> RadiantFire: gdebi-kde has to be merged first and I haven't started restricted-manager yet
[10:18] <mhb> RadiantFire: so I'm probably ready for some kdesudo action :o)
[10:22] <pdenapo> Hi
[10:22] <pdenapo> I'm trying to make my own kubuntu live cd
[10:22] <pdenapo> for mathematics
[10:23] <pdenapo> can I remove the "bin" or the "pool" directory from the live CD for making room for other things?
[10:23] <pdenapo> I don't need win32 applications
[10:24] <pdenapo> and why there are some .deb packages that are not in the the compressed (squashfs) filesystem?
[10:26] <pdenapo> join /ubuntu-iso
[10:42] <RadiantFire> hello again mhb
[10:44] <mhb> RadiantFire: hello again to you
[10:44] <RadiantFire> I think I finally got everything working again. I had a tiny UPS that decided to fry this morning
[10:45] <mhb> RadiantFire: could I ask you for something?
[10:45] <RadiantFire> sure
[10:45] <mhb> RadiantFire: could you please create a new file for your sudo endeavours?
[10:45] <RadiantFire> you can always ask ;-)
[10:46] <RadiantFire> ok
[10:46] <mhb> RadiantFire: so sudoprocess.cpp will be for using ptyprocess, whereas someothersudoprocess.cpp will be for reimplementing ptyprocess, which you tried to do, I gues
[10:46] <mhb> s
[10:46] <RadiantFire> this can be arranged
[10:47] <mhb> thanks so much
[10:49] <RadiantFire> i hate to reinvent the wheel, but the end goal is to give me enough of an understanding to figure out why the other way isn't working
[10:56] <mhb> RadiantFire: no problem, poke me once you commit a new file, so I can keep my changes in the old one
[10:57] <RadiantFire> sure, just shuffling them around now
[11:10] <mhb> RadiantFire: done, do bzr up
[11:10] <RadiantFire> sorry, didn't mean to clobber that file, I was just using it to get a hang for how the PtyProcess works
[11:10] <RadiantFire> er, how pty's work anyway
[11:11] <mhb> no problem
[11:18] <RadiantFire> mhb: so, I have made the library implementation of pty process do what I want :-)
[11:20] <mhb> RadiantFire: mmm, my sudoprocess.cpp gets linked in with you ptyprocess implementation
[11:20] <mhb> RadiantFire: => ld error
[11:20] <RadiantFire> sorry, I'm done with it
[11:20] <RadiantFire> just get rid of the main
[11:20] <RadiantFire> actually
[11:20] <RadiantFire> I'll get rid of the main
[11:21] <mhb> RadiantFire: did you find out how to make sudo report to the same pty?
[11:21] <RadiantFire> I'm still working on that
[11:21] <RadiantFire> but I have a grasp of pty now, so I don't need the PtyProcess anymore
[11:22] <RadiantFire> was just using it to test out some ideas, get a handle on how it worked
[11:22] <RadiantFire> I'm actually off to dinner with the uncle, but I'll bbl, and tackle that problem