[12:52] <mneptok> feelings. nothing more than feeeeelings ...
[12:53] <Pici> one is the lonliest number...
[12:54] <TheSheep> what about 0?
[12:55] <TheSheep> and of course everybody forgets about i
[05:15] <ubotu> Vorian called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:16] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised, i thought Vorian had ops in #ubuntu..
[05:16] <Vorian> nope :(
[05:16] <Vorian> thanks for thinking of me though Hobbsee :)
[05:17] <ajmitch> Hobbsee to the rescue?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nah
[05:20] <crdlb> Madpilot, mr rtfm in #ubuntu
[05:21] <Vorian> bazooka2th
[05:22] <Tm_T> ooowe, oooola
[05:22] <Tm_T> WHEEEE
[05:22] <Vorian> his keyboard must have been b0rken
[05:24] <Tm_T> Vorian: my keayboard also sends RTFM by itself in time to time
[05:24] <Tm_T> bah, can't type
[05:24] <Vorian> lol
[05:24] <Vorian> :)
[05:24] <Madpilot> crdlb, thanks, was AFK
[05:28] <Tm_T> "There are no ignores" says irssi and yet noone is talking to me, this starts to be serious
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> My keyboard sends previous things I've said earlier from time to time.
[05:30] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: no it's just echo in your house
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[05:30] <nalioth> your unconcious mind, tonyyarusso
[05:30] <Tm_T> maybe turn on tv or something, so atleast it sounds to be alive
[05:31] <Tm_T> I would do that but have no tv
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i dont suppose you could make the rest of hte irc op council 30+ for #ubuntu?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nalioth: we cant actually add more ops, without seveas here
[05:33] <nalioth> what irc council?
[05:34] <Vorian> does anyone else have the chanserv.py script other than se.veas?
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> Vorian: pretty much any XChat using op
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> Vorian: I may have one laying around just for reference, but it may be outdated.  lemme look
[05:35] <Vorian> kewl
[05:35] <Vorian> did a fresh install and lost the script
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> Vorian: Yeah, I have one that was current as of December 14th.
[05:36] <effie_jayx> Vorian,  you don't like Seveas's ...
[05:36] <Vorian> its 404 atm
[05:36] <Vorian> http://www.kaarsemaker.net/files/Software/chanserv.py
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nalioth: you, pricechild
[05:37] <nalioth> Hobbsee: what irc council?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nalioth: it's going thru the CC at the moment, last i heard
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nalioth: the one that isnt confirmed yet.
[05:38] <nalioth> Hobbsee: oh, THAT one
[05:38] <nalioth> when it is confirmed, updates will happen
[05:39] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[05:39] <Hobbsee> pricechild is pushing it
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> June 26th is the mtg I _just_ read
[05:39] <effie_jayx> Vorian,  I got Seveas's if you are interested
[05:39] <Vorian> sure
[05:39] <Vorian> just pastebin it if you could effie_jayx :)
[05:40] <effie_jayx> ok
[05:41] <effie_jayx> Vorian,  http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/26845/
[05:41] <effie_jayx> Vorian,  anytime dude...
[05:41] <Vorian> thanks a million effie_jayx :)
[05:42] <effie_jayx> Does anyone here has a pony?
[05:43] <effie_jayx> :D
[05:43] <Hobbsee> !pony | effie_jayx
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pony - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <Hobbsee> @pony | effie_jayx
[05:43] <ubotu> No | effie_jayx can't have a pony, Hobbsee!
[05:43] <Hobbsee> @pony effie_jayx
[05:43] <Tm_T> hah
[05:43] <ubotu> No effie_jayx can't have a pony, Hobbsee!
[05:43] <effie_jayx> lol
[05:44] <Tm_T> mc44 is our pony
[05:44] <effie_jayx> I still don't get the joke... it's been like 6 months...
[05:44] <Tm_T> effie_jayx: don't worry, me neither
[05:44] <Tm_T> effie_jayx: must be some hu-man stuff
[05:45] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: Tm_T http://hobbsee.mailbolt.com/helpdeskwarning.png
[05:45] <Tm_T> ok, one more meatbag stuff I don't get
[05:46] <effie_jayx> I get lost in the injokes specially in the debian / ubuntu puns
[05:46] <effie_jayx> lol
[05:46] <nalioth> effie_jayx: not an 'in joke', but probably a NorthAm centric one
[05:46] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  nice one...
[05:47] <nalioth> maybe not NorthAm
[05:47] <effie_jayx> i see...
[05:47] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: it's all to do with http://sc.tri-bit.com/No,_You_Can't_Have_a_Pony
[05:47] <effie_jayx> it's been on the planets a lot... due to debconf
[05:47] <Hobbsee> which was broadcast around the ubuntu fridge, planet, etc
[05:47] <effie_jayx> aparently peole have been asking for ponies a lot
[05:47] <Tm_T> bah
[05:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you just destroyed all fun/humour in this pony thing
[05:48] <effie_jayx> hehe
[05:48] <Hobbsee> awww
[05:48] <effie_jayx> Tm_T,  No ... you can't have a pony
[05:48] <Tm_T> I can't?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> no
[05:49] <Tm_T> @pony Tm_T
[05:49] <ubotu> No Tm_T can't have a pony, Tm_T!
[05:49] <Tm_T> I can't, ok, so, who will buy mc44 from us then?
[05:51] <Tm_T> I know!
[05:51] <Tm_T> 06:51 < Amarok> Tm_T: So your on a box about not finding any sound-engine plugins .. And i get ponies.
[05:52] <Tm_T> oki, so I need box, but make sure I don't find any sound engine, check
[06:06] <nalioth> interesting.
[06:06] <nalioth> i just built deluge (had no problems) from cvs
[06:06] <nalioth> looks interesting
[06:06] <nalioth> wonder how much CPU it eats
[06:06] <Tm_T> deluge?
[06:06] <crdlb> more than rtorrent does :P
[06:06] <nalioth> a newfangled gtk/python torrent client, Tm_T
[06:07] <nalioth> crdlb: oh?
[06:07] <crdlb> I haven't found anything lighter than rtorrent
[06:07] <Tm_T> torrent client? hmmh, doesn't interest me then
[06:07] <nalioth> i use rtorrent now
[06:07] <nalioth> crdlb: what does it do that exceeds rtorrent?
[06:08] <crdlb> well it has a gui
[06:08] <crdlb> and I think there's a webui in the latest version
[06:08] <crdlb> yeah
[06:08] <nalioth> see above
[06:08] <Tm_T> I hate worthless guis
[06:12] <nalioth> the only thing i wish rtorrent did was allow selective downloading
[06:12] <crdlb> it does
[06:12] <nalioth> you can download one TV show out of a seasons torrent?
[06:12] <crdlb> in the file listing, you press space to set the priority to high normal or off
[06:13] <nalioth> ah
[06:13] <nalioth> will have to look at that
[06:15] <nalioth> i just got the latest rtorrent (cuz i just upgraded my dapper box a few days ago)
[06:21] <nalioth> crdlb: thanks for the tip
[07:53] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, DaSkreech said: !botslap is Meesa sorry master. Messo try harder?
[08:12] <Amaranth> troll/moron in #ubuntu-devel :/
[08:13] <ajmitch> *again*
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> Oh pretty please let me feed it....bah  (/me has such good lines if this were an in-person convo)
[08:29] <Lucifer_stunn> hi
[08:30] <Lucifer_stunn> do u forgive me 4 ur $$$ loss?
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> We have no monetary loss from you.
[08:31] <Lucifer_stunn> you will.  cuz u r not a publicly traded CO on the NYSE or the CSE or the Japanese Stock Exchange :D
[08:32] <ajmitch> oh dear
[08:32] <Madpilot> wtf was that all about?
[08:32] <ajmitch> Madpilot: him trolling #ubuntu-devel
[08:32] <ajmitch> except that there was noone around to deal with it...
[08:36] <Madpilot> how is someone one trolls in AIMglish going to loose someone money, anyway?
[08:57] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: could be worse, it could be -nz
[09:04] <DisabledDuck> anybody know why i can't join #ubuntu?
[09:06] <GazzaK> I take it you are forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic
[09:06] <DisabledDuck> yes
[09:06] <GazzaK> that'll be the router exploit then, as detailed in that channels topic
[09:07] <GazzaK> have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[09:07] <DisabledDuck> doing that now
[09:08] <DisabledDuck> that seemed to fix it
[09:08] <DisabledDuck> thanks
[09:09] <GazzaK> you now need to hope an op is awake so they can do the test
[09:09] <Madpilot> DisabledDuck, please join #madpilot - I need to test your router re-configuration to make sure it's working
[09:10] <GazzaK> cheers Madpilot
[09:10] <Madpilot> GazzaK, ops lurk, remember? It's more fun that way. :)
[09:10] <GazzaK> t'is scary, you lurkers
[09:11] <GazzaK> :-)
[09:11] <Madpilot> Cue the shark music. ;)
[09:11] <Madpilot> DisabledDuck, before the banforward in #ubuntu comes off, we need to test your reconfigured router. We can't test here, so please join #madpilot for a moment...
[09:12] <Madpilot> so much for that "fix"
[09:12] <Madpilot> I DCC
[09:12] <GazzaK> take it that was a fail then :p
[09:12] <crdlb> well he's in #ubuntu with a different client
[09:13] <crdlb> duck_
[09:13] <Madpilot> DisabledDuck, you'll have to close and restart your IRC client for the settings to change properly...
[09:13] <DisabledDuck> sorry, i was trying different clients
[09:13] <DisabledDuck> ok
[09:13] <crdlb> well the other one survived
[09:14] <DisabledDuck> ok...
[09:14] <Madpilot> DisabledDuck, #madpilot again
[09:16] <Madpilot> DisabledDuck, you should be able to get back into #ubuntu - thanks for fixing your router.
[09:16] <DisabledDuck> what exactly was the problem exactly?
[09:17] <Madpilot> stupid default router settings, bypassed by changing which port you use to get to IRC, generally.
[09:17] <DisabledDuck> ah, ok
[09:17] <DisabledDuck> well, thank you
[09:19] <ubotu> Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:56] <ubotu> afflux called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:56] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:24] <ubotu> In ubotu, micman said: _4str0 is using abusive words.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Dj_Vic wants to be let back in
[02:25] <Hobbsee> he was cursing a few days ago
[02:25] <GazzaK> his username is a bit ott though
[02:26] <ompaul> Hobbsee, then the answer should be wait another day
[02:26] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: this is true
[02:26] <Hobbsee> he's banned here too
[02:26] <Hobbsee> i should probably undo that
[02:26] <GazzaK> and freenode has a user saying he is trolling debian channels
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yummy
[02:27] <GazzaK> yeah
[02:27] <GazzaK> seems proud of the username too
[02:27] <ompaul> Hobbsee, no way
[02:27] <ompaul> do not let that back in real name is reason enough
[02:28] <ompaul> being an op does not give every troll a right to abuse you or those around you
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ompaul: fair enough
[02:30] <ompaul> thats my Hobbsee :)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ompaul: since when i am i your hobbsee?  :P
[02:31] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, since you met him in spain and he adopted you?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:32] <Hobbsee> fair enough :)
[02:32] <ompaul> Hobbsee, there ya go - elkbuntu is now the historian
[02:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:33] <Hobbsee> i do hope this isnt the monty-python style historian.
[02:33] <ompaul> haha
[02:34] <elkbuntu> with ompaul, one never can tell
[02:39] <elkbuntu> i just *had* to go buy a tub of my favourite icecream today... now i think that may have been a slight mistake
[02:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:41] <elkbuntu> Sara Lee Rocky Road Overload .... mmmmmm....
[02:41] <elkbuntu> you've seriously never had icecream until you have this stuff
[02:41] <elkbuntu> s/have/have had/
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:43] <elkbuntu> i only ever have it when my folks go away, otherwise i'd be guilted into sharing it
[02:43] <mc44> no sharing!
[02:43] <mc44> :)
[02:44] <elkbuntu> mc44, damn straight
[02:45] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:45] <Hobbsee> smart elkbuntu
[02:46] <elkbuntu> why thankyou
[02:46] <elkbuntu> the only problem is, with nobody guilting you, it is possible to consume the whole litre in a night
[02:47] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:47] <Hobbsee> this is ture
[03:14] <ompaul> we need a new factoid
[03:15] <ompaul> noroot
[03:15] <ompaul> where it tells people politely that this channel does not mind what you do in the privacy of your own command line but please do not instruct people here in how to set root passwords
[03:16] <ompaul> any polite word smiths here?
[03:18] <Pumpernickel> Hmm... "Regardless of what works for you, please don't advise people to go against Ubuntu user security policy by creating a root account.  See sudo, gksudo, $(whatever it is in KDE), etc."?
[03:18] <ompaul> Channel policy is not to advise people how to set a root password, all work can be done with "sudo",
[03:18] <ompaul> hmm
[03:19] <ompaul> Pumpernickel, thats not bad :)
[03:19] <Pumpernickel> Thanks :)
[03:19] <ompaul> Let me see if I can get it shorter
[03:20] <ubotu> iTurtle called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:21] <ompaul> Regardless of what you yourself do, and are free to do: Please do not advise people to go against user security policy by creating a root password, please see !sudo
[03:23] <elkbuntu> ok, he really is trolling
[03:24] <ompaul> Pumpernickel, ^^ can you make that shorter?
[03:25] <ompaul> arrr it is so easy
[03:25] <ompaul> Regardless of what you yourself do, and are free to do: Please do not advise against user security policy to create a root password, please see !sudo instead.
[03:25] <ompaul> I want it shorter ...
[03:26] <ompaul> Regardless of what you do: Please do not advise against user security policy to create a root password, please see !sudo instead.
[03:26] <ompaul> Regardless of what you do: Please do not advise against user security policy to create a root password, please see !sudo
[03:27] <ompaul> ahh minor grammer
[03:27] <Hobbsee> heads up in #kubuntu @ iTurtle
[03:27] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yu
[03:27] <ompaul> Regardless of what you do: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !sudo
[03:28] <Hobbsee> urgh...
[03:28] <ompaul> hmm
[03:28] <ompaul> Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !sudo
[03:28] <ompaul> elkbuntu, would you approve of that?
[03:29] <ompaul> Hobbsee, also, PriceChild ?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> +1 here
[03:29] <Hobbsee> maybe the rootsudo link, too
[03:29] <ompaul> !rootsudo
[03:29] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:29] <ompaul> !sudo
[03:30] <ompaul> okay the one in #ubuntu is different
[03:30] <PriceChild> !worksforme
[03:31] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:31] <ompaul> !sudo
[03:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:31] <PriceChild> give a link to that at the end of this new factoid
[03:31] <ompaul> then worksfor me needs to be shorter
[03:31] <ompaul> it should be
[03:31] <ompaul> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok.
[03:32] <ompaul> the last line was for automatix and fiends
[03:32] <ompaul> methinks the !sudo works
[03:33] <ompaul> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:33] <ompaul> that is ! sudo
[03:33] <ompaul> it is a bit wordy
[03:33] <ompaul> okay so rootsudo it is
[03:34] <ompaul> ubotu  noroot is <reply> Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[03:34] <ompaul> !noroot is <reply> Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[03:34] <Tm_T> !botsnack
[03:34] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:34] <ompaul> stupid bot
[03:35] <Tm_T> ok, so its alive
[03:35] <ompaul> !noroot is <reply> Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[03:35] <ompaul> !noroot is Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[03:35] <ubotu> I'll remember that, ompaul
[03:41] <ompaul> ubotu no noroot is <reply> Regardless of your choice: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[03:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[03:41] <ompaul> !noroot
[03:41] <ubotu> Regardless of your choice: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[03:41] <ompaul> wheee
[03:43] <ubotu> Paladine called the ops in #ubuntuforums
[04:02] <Hobbsee> why arent people getting what !foo | user means?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> is the #ubuntu community seriously that dumb that they cant read, and figure out what's being addressed to them?
[04:03] <Pici> Hobbsee: I've always wondered that.
[04:03] <mc44> !dumb | Hobbsee
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dumb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <Pici> I dont know why they don't get it.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> and the ones who go and address the bot with their questions - i would have thoguth that uBOTu would be fairly obvious
[04:03] <poningru> yarr
[04:04] <mc44> Hobbsee: meh, #ubuntu is very confusing for a new irc user
[04:04] <Hobbsee> mc44: this si true - but surely tehn you shut up, instead of talking lots, and watch to see what's going on?
[04:05] <mc44> Hobbsee: if only people were sane :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:05] <mc44> but mostly they are frustrated with something not working, so sitting back and relaxing isn't high on the priorties
[04:37] <Tm_T> hi Jucato
[04:38] <Jucato> hi Tm_T
[04:42] <Tm_T> Jucato: I started to wonder, how widely are pc+net connection available there?
[04:43] <Jucato> depends on which kind :)
[04:45] <Tm_T> well any kind
[04:45] <Jucato> well, DSL is almost pretty much available from the local telcos... the only problem is no one applies much :)
[04:46] <Tm_T> oki
[04:46] <Tm_T> so, infrastructure is there
[04:46] <Jucato> yep.
[04:47] <Tm_T> that's always good
[04:47] <Jucato> but it's less the internet connection availability and more of computer per household availability :)
[04:47] <nalioth> Jucato: are you causing trouble again?
[04:47] <Tm_T> Jucato: hum?
[04:47] <Jucato> nalioth: oh noes :)
[04:48] <Jucato> Tm_T: meaning, people here have computers at home :)
[04:48] <Jucato> and if they do, internet connection is not always a priority... and they usually make do with dial up (also easily available from the local telco)
[04:48] <Tm_T> ah, sounds good
[04:49] <Jucato> one reason why not so many people buy computers is because there are so many internet cafe's here
[04:49] <Tm_T> heh
[04:49] <Tm_T> that always helps and is sort of reasonable
[04:50] <Jucato> and makes it actually harder to promote FOSS and Linux :)
[04:50] <Tm_T> I have seen many people have pc in the corner just waiting without use
[04:50] <Tm_T> Jucato: net cafe's don't care about freedom that is?
[04:50] <Jucato> most of the internet cafe's here thrive on PC/online games, that work only on Windows
[04:50] <Tm_T> I see
[04:55] <Jucato> :)
[04:56] <Tm_T> kola and kake
[04:56] <Tm_T> I meant, err, Kola and Kake
[04:56] <Tm_T> somethinK I always forKet
[04:57] <Jucato> :P
[04:57] <Jucato> :K
[05:00] <Tm_T> maybe I should turn my KDE aKain to welsh, there's no 'K' in that language afterall (:
[05:00] <Tm_T> (IIRC)
[05:00] <Jucato> what? they only have G's? :)
[05:01] <Tm_T> humm, well
[05:05] <Tm_T> Jucato: "find K" puzzle: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/vocab/
[05:06] <Jucato> lol
[05:06] <Tm_T> wow, that vocabylary extension is nice
[05:06] <Tm_T> something I would like to see in KDE
[05:09] <Tm_T> hey, new games!
[07:44] <PriceChild> wow only one dc
[07:45] <nalioth> unfortunately, the other channels do not have our unique methods
[08:16] <ubotu> kitche called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:16] <ubotu> wols called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:55] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, kbrooks said: !root is umm, ops, please delete all mentions of getting root account back from the wiki page please, or you are simply a hypocrite. thank you.
[11:07] <ompaul> Burgundavia, got a moment or two?
[11:16] <Amaranth> ompaul: looks like a case of "I misread the wiki, please fix it!"
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ompaul: I do
[11:17] <ompaul> Burgundavia, it would be nice to get the root sudo page to a place of sanity
[11:17] <Burgundavia> I thought it was
[11:17] <ompaul> it is back telling people how to set up root on it
[11:17] <ompaul> without dire warnings ;-)
[11:17] <Burgundavia> looking
[11:18] <ompaul> Burgundavia, when you are happy lock it ;-)
[11:19] <Burgundavia> right
[11:19] <Amaranth> it's not telling them that
[11:20] <Amaranth> it's telling them how to _lock_ root if they for some reason enabled it
[11:20] <Burgundavia> it is telling them to use -i to create a root sheel
[11:20] <Burgundavia> shell, rather
[11:20] <Burgundavia> also not recommended
[11:21] <ompaul> big you will have to hand up your first born warnings and so on should be there
[11:21] <ompaul> or better yet not have that stuff there at all
[11:22] <Burgundavia> I just changed it to tell them how to redisable it
[11:22] <jrib> ompaul: I removed the warning, because it doesn't actual say how to enable it anymore.  Just mentions 'sudo -i' and how to disable it if someone has enabled it in the past
[11:22] <Amaranth> sudo -i is useful sometimes
[11:23] <Amaranth> well, i use sudo -s but yeah
[11:23] <ompaul> jrib, it does say how to enable it - or did 5 mins ago
[11:23] <jrib> hmm
[11:23] <Burgundavia> please look now
[11:23] <ompaul> jrib, sudo -i     (equivalent to sudo su -) sudo -s     (equivalent to sudo su) sudo -i -u username
[11:24] <ompaul> jrib, all of which were wrong
[11:24] <jrib> well  sudo -i  isn't the same as enabling the root account, the page used to contain  sudo passwd root  , I thought you were referring to this
[11:24] <Amaranth> ompaul: as i said, according to the history at least as far back as the 9th it did _not_ tell you how to enable root
[11:26] <ompaul> Burgundavia, how about if this move:  To use sudo on the command line, preface the command with sudo, as below:  TO the bottom of the page
[11:26] <Burgundavia> ompaul: go nuts
[11:26] <Burgundavia> I will proof it
[11:26] <ompaul> Burgundavia, you don't have to ask twice :)
[11:34] <ompaul> Burgundavia, its all yours - more than likely my sentiments are too strong
[11:35] <Burgundavia> ok, looking
[11:35] <ompaul> Burgundavia, actually maybe the part Allowing other users to run sudo should be after notes
[11:36] <Burgundavia> jdub and I are having it out in #gnome-hackers
[11:37] <ompaul> arrr nothing like a good scrap
[11:37] <ompaul> which network?
[11:37] <ompaul> Burgundavia, ^^
[11:38] <Burgundavia> gimp net
[11:38] <ompaul> it would be :)
[11:39] <Burgundavia> ompaul: your edit looks good
[11:42] <ompaul> Burgundavia, I think that last suggestion is important
[11:43] <ompaul> push everything away from the creation of a shell
[11:43] <ompaul> you got edit open?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> nope
[11:46] <ompaul> okay someone else had
[11:46] <ompaul> they did nothing
[11:46] <ompaul> now question
[11:46] <ompaul> Should I put this at after the intro to the not supported line?  * Please don't suggest this to others unless you will be available 24/7 to support them if they have issues as a result of it.
[11:47] <ompaul> Burgundavia, or is that a bridge too far?
[11:48] <Burgundavia> don't suggest what?
[11:48] <ompaul> I'll save it you can cull it if you don't like it
[11:49] <ompaul> done it is all yours
[11:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:50] <jrib> I really don't see why  sudo -i  should be considered dangerous
[11:50] <jrib> and especially  sudo -i -u username
[11:50] <Burgundavia> because you end up with a root shell
[11:50] <Burgundavia> which is a very bad thing
[11:51] <Burgundavia> because if you have to type sudo before anything you do, you start thinking "hmm, this is dangerous"
[11:51] <jrib> I never liked the "protect the user from himself" argument
[11:52] <ompaul> jrib, #debian beckons :-P
[11:52] <Burgundavia> jrib: then you seriously have never help the average user
[11:52] <Burgundavia> helped, rather
[11:52] <ompaul> jrib, you are not the target audience for this distro
[11:54] <jrib> well I agree there should be a strong warning, but it's not really dangerous.  There is a an approriate use for it.  But, I do think the 'sudo -i -u username' should be moved elsewhere since that one doesn't give you a root shell
[11:55] <ompaul> jrib, it is in the "We don't support these" list
[11:55] <ompaul> !noroot
[11:55] <ubotu> Regardless of your choice: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[11:55] <ompaul> !rootsudo
[11:55] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:56] <ompaul> bingo
[11:56] <jrib> ompaul: why wouldn't starting a shell as another user be unsupported?
[11:56] <jrib> erm, double negative there
[11:56] <ompaul> sorry I did not see that
[11:56] <ompaul> jrib, su - username works
[11:57] <Burgundavia> jrib: any time you end up with use root, it is dangerous
[11:58] <Burgundavia> s/with//
[11:58] <Burgundavia> best practices for Ubuntu is to use sudo before every invocation
[11:59] <ompaul> Burgundavia, so do we remove the become other users or do you want sudo to be there?
[11:59] <Burgundavia> becoming another user is nice, but make it clear that it is not recommended to do it with root
[12:00] <ompaul> so what I am thinking is that su exists so it should be su - username
[12:00] <ompaul> su is not broken it is just not for root
[12:00] <ompaul> su is for friends not for root :)
[12:01] <ompaul> puppies are for 13 years not just birthdays
[12:01] <jrib> you lost me with that one ompaul
[12:01] <GazzaK> puppies, where?
[12:01] <ompaul> jrib, you can do su - ompaul
[12:01] <jrib> I mean the puppies
[12:01] <TheSheep> dragons are for live, not just for hogwatch
[12:01] <TheSheep> *life
[12:02] <ompaul> TheSheep, you should know
[12:02] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:06] <ompaul> jrib, it was based on some really loose links in my head between sudo is for root just not for friends - puppies are not for christmas they are for life
[12:06] <jrib> I see
[12:07] <ompaul> jrib, I would say to anyone su - $username
[12:07] <ompaul> su - amanda might be interesting
[12:07] <ompaul> Burgundavia, ^^ how do you overcome that?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[12:08] <ompaul> cos on the boxes in work currently I become work (they are not all ubuntu yet)
[12:08] <ompaul> become root and then su - amanda
[12:09] <jrib> that's what sudo -i -u  is for :)
[12:10] <ompaul> jrib, what password for amanda?
[12:10] <ompaul> there is none
[12:10] <jrib> it will ask for your password
[12:11] <ompaul> okay that needs to be in the part above
[12:16] <ompaul> Burgundavia, final edit
[12:18] <ompaul> I am off to bed hope it reads well enough
[12:18] <Burgundavia> ok, thanks