=== tirony [n=tirony@c-75-70-149-32.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [12:52] feelings. nothing more than feeeeelings ... [12:53] one is the lonliest number... [12:54] what about 0? [12:55] and of course everybody forgets about i === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ === Vorian_ [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ === Vorian_ [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-ops === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Madpilot] by ChanServ === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:15] Vorian called the ops in #ubuntu [05:16] i'm surprised, i thought Vorian had ops in #ubuntu.. [05:16] nope :( [05:16] thanks for thinking of me though Hobbsee :) [05:17] Hobbsee to the rescue? [05:17] ajmitch: nah [05:20] Madpilot, mr rtfm in #ubuntu [05:21] bazooka2th [05:22] ooowe, oooola [05:22] WHEEEE [05:22] his keyboard must have been b0rken [05:24] Vorian: my keayboard also sends RTFM by itself in time to time [05:24] bah, can't type [05:24] lol [05:24] :) [05:24] crdlb, thanks, was AFK [05:28] "There are no ignores" says irssi and yet noone is talking to me, this starts to be serious [05:30] My keyboard sends previous things I've said earlier from time to time. [05:30] tonyyarusso: no it's just echo in your house [05:30] hehe [05:30] your unconcious mind, tonyyarusso [05:30] maybe turn on tv or something, so atleast it sounds to be alive [05:31] I would do that but have no tv [05:32] nalioth: i dont suppose you could make the rest of hte irc op council 30+ for #ubuntu? [05:32] nalioth: we cant actually add more ops, without seveas here === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:33] what irc council? [05:34] does anyone else have the chanserv.py script other than se.veas? [05:35] Vorian: pretty much any XChat using op [05:35] Vorian: I may have one laying around just for reference, but it may be outdated. lemme look [05:35] kewl [05:35] did a fresh install and lost the script [05:35] Vorian: Yeah, I have one that was current as of December 14th. [05:36] Vorian, you don't like Seveas's ... [05:36] its 404 atm === effie_jayx thinks the ubuntu god will be upset ... [05:36] http://www.kaarsemaker.net/files/Software/chanserv.py [05:37] nalioth: you, pricechild [05:37] Hobbsee: what irc council? [05:37] nalioth: it's going thru the CC at the moment, last i heard [05:37] nalioth: the one that isnt confirmed yet. [05:38] Hobbsee: oh, THAT one [05:38] when it is confirmed, updates will happen [05:39] fair enough [05:39] pricechild is pushing it [05:39] June 26th is the mtg I _just_ read [05:39] Vorian, I got Seveas's if you are interested [05:39] sure [05:39] just pastebin it if you could effie_jayx :) [05:40] ok === Vorian highfives effie_jayx :) [05:41] Vorian, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/26845/ [05:41] Vorian, anytime dude... [05:41] thanks a million effie_jayx :) === Vorian goes to bed now [05:42] Does anyone here has a pony? [05:43] :D [05:43] !pony | effie_jayx [05:43] Sorry, I don't know anything about pony - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [05:43] @pony | effie_jayx [05:43] No | effie_jayx can't have a pony, Hobbsee! [05:43] @pony effie_jayx [05:43] hah [05:43] No effie_jayx can't have a pony, Hobbsee! [05:43] lol [05:44] mc44 is our pony [05:44] I still don't get the joke... it's been like 6 months... [05:44] effie_jayx: don't worry, me neither [05:44] effie_jayx: must be some hu-man stuff [05:45] effie_jayx: Tm_T http://hobbsee.mailbolt.com/helpdeskwarning.png [05:45] ok, one more meatbag stuff I don't get [05:46] I get lost in the injokes specially in the debian / ubuntu puns [05:46] lol [05:46] effie_jayx: not an 'in joke', but probably a NorthAm centric one [05:46] Hobbsee, nice one... [05:47] maybe not NorthAm [05:47] i see... [05:47] effie_jayx: it's all to do with http://sc.tri-bit.com/No,_You_Can't_Have_a_Pony [05:47] it's been on the planets a lot... due to debconf [05:47] which was broadcast around the ubuntu fridge, planet, etc [05:47] aparently peole have been asking for ponies a lot [05:47] bah [05:48] Hobbsee: you just destroyed all fun/humour in this pony thing [05:48] hehe [05:48] awww [05:48] Tm_T, No ... you can't have a pony [05:48] I can't? [05:49] no [05:49] @pony Tm_T [05:49] No Tm_T can't have a pony, Tm_T! [05:49] I can't, ok, so, who will buy mc44 from us then? [05:51] I know! [05:51] 06:51 < Amarok> Tm_T: So your on a box about not finding any sound-engine plugins .. And i get ponies. [05:52] oki, so I need box, but make sure I don't find any sound engine, check === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.113.110] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ [06:06] interesting. [06:06] i just built deluge (had no problems) from cvs [06:06] looks interesting [06:06] wonder how much CPU it eats [06:06] deluge? [06:06] more than rtorrent does :P [06:06] a newfangled gtk/python torrent client, Tm_T [06:07] crdlb: oh? [06:07] I haven't found anything lighter than rtorrent [06:07] torrent client? hmmh, doesn't interest me then [06:07] i use rtorrent now [06:07] crdlb: what does it do that exceeds rtorrent? [06:08] well it has a gui [06:08] and I think there's a webui in the latest version === nalioth hates GUIs [06:08] yeah [06:08] see above [06:08] I hate worthless guis [06:12] the only thing i wish rtorrent did was allow selective downloading [06:12] it does [06:12] you can download one TV show out of a seasons torrent? [06:12] in the file listing, you press space to set the priority to high normal or off [06:13] ah [06:13] will have to look at that [06:15] i just got the latest rtorrent (cuz i just upgraded my dapper box a few days ago) [06:21] crdlb: thanks for the tip === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v tonyyarusso] by ChanServ [07:53] In #kubuntu, DaSkreech said: !botslap is Meesa sorry master. Messo try harder? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Burgundavia] by ChanServ === jussi01 [n=jussi@a81-197-38-57.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-ops [08:12] troll/moron in #ubuntu-devel :/ [08:13] *again* [08:17] Oh pretty please let me feed it....bah (/me has such good lines if this were an in-person convo) === Lucifer_stunn [n=lance@cpepool1-81.bayoucable.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [08:29] hi [08:30] do u forgive me 4 ur $$$ loss? [08:30] We have no monetary loss from you. [08:31] you will. cuz u r not a publicly traded CO on the NYSE or the CSE or the Japanese Stock Exchange :D === Lucifer_stunn [n=lance@cpepool1-81.bayoucable.com] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [08:32] oh dear [08:32] wtf was that all about? [08:32] Madpilot: him trolling #ubuntu-devel [08:32] except that there was noone around to deal with it... === tonyyarusso wonders how we lose money from not having money, but hey [08:36] how is someone one trolls in AIMglish going to loose someone money, anyway? === ajmitch shrugs === GazzaK [n=Dogbert@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops === GazzaK_ [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops === elkbuntu reads the devel scrollback and her brain explodes === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v nixternal] by ChanServ [08:57] elkbuntu: could be worse, it could be -nz === bohem [n=bohem@adsl-70-238-169-223.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === DisabledDuck [n=duck@c-24-129-92-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:04] anybody know why i can't join #ubuntu? === intelikey [n=UN-root@dialup-4.253.65.184.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === intelikey [n=UN-root@dialup-4.253.65.184.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["just] [09:06] I take it you are forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic [09:06] yes [09:06] that'll be the router exploit then, as detailed in that channels topic [09:07] have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit [09:07] doing that now [09:08] that seemed to fix it [09:08] thanks [09:09] you now need to hope an op is awake so they can do the test [09:09] DisabledDuck, please join #madpilot - I need to test your router re-configuration to make sure it's working [09:10] cheers Madpilot [09:10] GazzaK, ops lurk, remember? It's more fun that way. :) [09:10] t'is scary, you lurkers [09:11] :-) [09:11] Cue the shark music. ;) [09:11] DisabledDuck, before the banforward in #ubuntu comes off, we need to test your reconfigured router. We can't test here, so please join #madpilot for a moment... [09:12] so much for that "fix" [09:12] I DCC [09:12] take it that was a fail then :p === DisabledDuck [n=duck@c-24-129-92-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:12] well he's in #ubuntu with a different client [09:13] duck_ [09:13] DisabledDuck, you'll have to close and restart your IRC client for the settings to change properly... [09:13] sorry, i was trying different clients [09:13] ok [09:13] well the other one survived === DisabledDuck [n=duck@c-24-129-92-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:14] ok... [09:14] DisabledDuck, #madpilot again [09:16] DisabledDuck, you should be able to get back into #ubuntu - thanks for fixing your router. [09:16] what exactly was the problem exactly? [09:17] stupid default router settings, bypassed by changing which port you use to get to IRC, generally. [09:17] ah, ok [09:17] well, thank you [09:19] Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu === bohem [n=bohem@adsl-70-238-169-223.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Konversation] === GazzaK [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Gasten [n=Gasten@h154n2c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops === GazzaK [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:56] afflux called the ops in #ubuntu === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-ops === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul] by ChanServ === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [12:56] erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu-ops === beuno_ [i=martin@conference/debconf/x-1c61e2768c1d8b41] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v fdoving] by ChanServ === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:24] In ubotu, micman said: _4str0 is using abusive words. [02:25] Dj_Vic wants to be let back in [02:25] he was cursing a few days ago [02:25] his username is a bit ott though [02:26] Hobbsee, then the answer should be wait another day [02:26] GazzaK: this is true [02:26] he's banned here too [02:26] i should probably undo that [02:26] and freenode has a user saying he is trolling debian channels [02:26] yummy [02:27] yeah [02:27] seems proud of the username too [02:27] Hobbsee, no way [02:27] do not let that back in real name is reason enough [02:28] being an op does not give every troll a right to abuse you or those around you [02:29] ompaul: fair enough === Hobbsee shoves the guy on ignore [02:30] thats my Hobbsee :) [02:30] :) === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:31] ompaul: since when i am i your hobbsee? :P [02:31] Hobbsee, since you met him in spain and he adopted you? [02:31] ah right [02:32] fair enough :) === elkbuntu giggles [02:32] Hobbsee, there ya go - elkbuntu is now the historian [02:33] heh [02:33] i do hope this isnt the monty-python style historian. [02:33] haha [02:34] with ompaul, one never can tell [02:39] i just *had* to go buy a tub of my favourite icecream today... now i think that may have been a slight mistake [02:40] heh [02:41] Sara Lee Rocky Road Overload .... mmmmmm.... [02:41] you've seriously never had icecream until you have this stuff [02:41] s/have/have had/ [02:42] hehe === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ [02:43] i only ever have it when my folks go away, otherwise i'd be guilted into sharing it [02:43] no sharing! [02:43] :) [02:44] mc44, damn straight [02:45] haha [02:45] smart elkbuntu [02:46] why thankyou [02:46] the only problem is, with nobody guilting you, it is possible to consume the whole litre in a night [02:47] haha [02:47] this is ture === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ [03:14] we need a new factoid [03:15] noroot [03:15] where it tells people politely that this channel does not mind what you do in the privacy of your own command line but please do not instruct people here in how to set root passwords [03:16] any polite word smiths here? [03:18] Hmm... "Regardless of what works for you, please don't advise people to go against Ubuntu user security policy by creating a root account. See sudo, gksudo, $(whatever it is in KDE), etc."? [03:18] Channel policy is not to advise people how to set a root password, all work can be done with "sudo", [03:18] hmm [03:19] Pumpernickel, thats not bad :) [03:19] Thanks :) [03:19] Let me see if I can get it shorter [03:20] iTurtle called the ops in #ubuntu [03:21] Regardless of what you yourself do, and are free to do: Please do not advise people to go against user security policy by creating a root password, please see !sudo [03:23] ok, he really is trolling [03:24] Pumpernickel, ^^ can you make that shorter? [03:25] arrr it is so easy [03:25] Regardless of what you yourself do, and are free to do: Please do not advise against user security policy to create a root password, please see !sudo instead. [03:25] I want it shorter ... [03:26] Regardless of what you do: Please do not advise against user security policy to create a root password, please see !sudo instead. [03:26] Regardless of what you do: Please do not advise against user security policy to create a root password, please see !sudo [03:27] ahh minor grammer [03:27] heads up in #kubuntu @ iTurtle [03:27] Hobbsee: yu [03:27] Regardless of what you do: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !sudo [03:28] urgh... [03:28] hmm [03:28] Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !sudo [03:28] elkbuntu, would you approve of that? [03:29] Hobbsee, also, PriceChild ? [03:29] +1 here [03:29] maybe the rootsudo link, too [03:29] !rootsudo [03:29] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. === PriceChild looks [03:29] !sudo [03:30] okay the one in #ubuntu is different [03:30] !worksforme [03:31] Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. [03:31] !sudo [03:31] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. [03:31] give a link to that at the end of this new factoid [03:31] then worksfor me needs to be shorter [03:31] it should be [03:31] Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. [03:32] the last line was for automatix and fiends [03:32] methinks the !sudo works [03:33] do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [03:33] that is ! sudo [03:33] it is a bit wordy [03:33] okay so rootsudo it is [03:34] ubotu noroot is Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo [03:34] !noroot is Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo [03:34] !botsnack [03:34] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [03:34] stupid bot [03:35] ok, so its alive [03:35] !noroot is Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo [03:35] !noroot is Regardless of your choices: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo [03:35] I'll remember that, ompaul === ompaul sends a wide area lart to Seveas land [03:41] ubotu no noroot is Regardless of your choice: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo [03:41] I'll remember that ompaul [03:41] !noroot [03:41] Regardless of your choice: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo [03:41] wheee [03:43] Paladine called the ops in #ubuntuforums [04:02] why arent people getting what !foo | user means? [04:03] is the #ubuntu community seriously that dumb that they cant read, and figure out what's being addressed to them? [04:03] Hobbsee: I've always wondered that. [04:03] !dumb | Hobbsee [04:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about dumb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [04:03] I dont know why they don't get it. [04:03] and the ones who go and address the bot with their questions - i would have thoguth that uBOTu would be fairly obvious [04:03] yarr [04:04] Hobbsee: meh, #ubuntu is very confusing for a new irc user === PriceChild thinks perhaps ubotu should "/nick uBOTu" again :P [04:04] mc44: this si true - but surely tehn you shut up, instead of talking lots, and watch to see what's going on? [04:05] Hobbsee: if only people were sane :) [04:05] heh [04:05] but mostly they are frustrated with something not working, so sitting back and relaxing isn't high on the priorties === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.194.233] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ [04:37] hi Jucato [04:38] hi Tm_T [04:42] Jucato: I started to wonder, how widely are pc+net connection available there? [04:43] depends on which kind :) [04:45] well any kind === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Mez] by ChanServ [04:45] well, DSL is almost pretty much available from the local telcos... the only problem is no one applies much :) [04:46] oki [04:46] so, infrastructure is there [04:46] yep. [04:47] that's always good [04:47] but it's less the internet connection availability and more of computer per household availability :) [04:47] Jucato: are you causing trouble again? [04:47] Jucato: hum? [04:47] nalioth: oh noes :) [04:48] Tm_T: meaning, people here have computers at home :) [04:48] and if they do, internet connection is not always a priority... and they usually make do with dial up (also easily available from the local telco) [04:48] ah, sounds good [04:49] one reason why not so many people buy computers is because there are so many internet cafe's here [04:49] heh [04:49] that always helps and is sort of reasonable [04:50] and makes it actually harder to promote FOSS and Linux :) [04:50] I have seen many people have pc in the corner just waiting without use [04:50] Jucato: net cafe's don't care about freedom that is? [04:50] most of the internet cafe's here thrive on PC/online games, that work only on Windows [04:50] I see === Tm_T is pumping sugar to the machine [04:55] :) [04:56] kola and kake [04:56] I meant, err, Kola and Kake [04:56] somethinK I always forKet [04:57] :P [04:57] :K [05:00] maybe I should turn my KDE aKain to welsh, there's no 'K' in that language afterall (: [05:00] (IIRC) [05:00] what? they only have G's? :) [05:01] humm, well === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:05] Jucato: "find K" puzzle: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/vocab/ [05:06] lol [05:06] wow, that vocabylary extension is nice [05:06] something I would like to see in KDE [05:09] hey, new games! === jussi01 [n=jussi@a81-197-38-57.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-ops === CheshireViking [n=Interdic@unaffiliated/cheshireviking] has joined #ubuntu-ops === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-ops === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ === QMario [n=QMario@cpe-24-27-103-14.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-ops [07:44] wow only one dc [07:45] unfortunately, the other channels do not have our unique methods === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Burgundavia] by ChanServ [08:16] kitche called the ops in #ubuntu [08:16] wols called the ops in #ubuntu === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-ops === beuno_ [i=martin@conference/debconf/x-da4edd0400c61368] has joined #ubuntu-ops === jussi01 [n=jussi@a81-197-38-57.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-ops === beuno [i=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-ops === GazzaK [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Pici [n=pcmacman@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-ops [10:55] In #ubuntu, kbrooks said: !root is umm, ops, please delete all mentions of getting root account back from the wiki page please, or you are simply a hypocrite. thank you. === Gasten [n=Gasten@h154n2c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:07] Burgundavia, got a moment or two? === Vorian [n=Steve@c-76-104-8-94.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:16] ompaul: looks like a case of "I misread the wiki, please fix it!" [11:16] ompaul: I do [11:17] Burgundavia, it would be nice to get the root sudo page to a place of sanity [11:17] I thought it was [11:17] it is back telling people how to set up root on it [11:17] without dire warnings ;-) [11:17] looking [11:18] Burgundavia, when you are happy lock it ;-) [11:19] right [11:19] it's not telling them that [11:20] it's telling them how to _lock_ root if they for some reason enabled it [11:20] it is telling them to use -i to create a root sheel [11:20] shell, rather [11:20] also not recommended [11:21] big you will have to hand up your first born warnings and so on should be there [11:21] or better yet not have that stuff there at all [11:22] I just changed it to tell them how to redisable it [11:22] ompaul: I removed the warning, because it doesn't actual say how to enable it anymore. Just mentions 'sudo -i' and how to disable it if someone has enabled it in the past [11:22] sudo -i is useful sometimes [11:23] well, i use sudo -s but yeah [11:23] jrib, it does say how to enable it - or did 5 mins ago [11:23] hmm [11:23] please look now [11:23] jrib, sudo -i (equivalent to sudo su -) sudo -s (equivalent to sudo su) sudo -i -u username [11:24] jrib, all of which were wrong [11:24] well sudo -i isn't the same as enabling the root account, the page used to contain sudo passwd root , I thought you were referring to this [11:24] ompaul: as i said, according to the history at least as far back as the 9th it did _not_ tell you how to enable root [11:26] Burgundavia, how about if this move: To use sudo on the command line, preface the command with sudo, as below: TO the bottom of the page [11:26] ompaul: go nuts [11:26] I will proof it [11:26] Burgundavia, you don't have to ask twice :) [11:34] Burgundavia, its all yours - more than likely my sentiments are too strong [11:35] ok, looking [11:35] Burgundavia, actually maybe the part Allowing other users to run sudo should be after notes [11:36] jdub and I are having it out in #gnome-hackers === ompaul wonders about dropping in on that one [11:37] arrr nothing like a good scrap [11:37] which network? [11:37] Burgundavia, ^^ [11:38] gimp net [11:38] it would be :) [11:39] ompaul: your edit looks good [11:42] Burgundavia, I think that last suggestion is important [11:43] push everything away from the creation of a shell [11:43] you got edit open? [11:44] nope [11:46] okay someone else had [11:46] they did nothing [11:46] now question [11:46] Should I put this at after the intro to the not supported line? * Please don't suggest this to others unless you will be available 24/7 to support them if they have issues as a result of it. [11:47] Burgundavia, or is that a bridge too far? [11:48] don't suggest what? [11:48] I'll save it you can cull it if you don't like it [11:49] done it is all yours [11:49] ok [11:50] I really don't see why sudo -i should be considered dangerous [11:50] and especially sudo -i -u username [11:50] because you end up with a root shell [11:50] which is a very bad thing [11:51] because if you have to type sudo before anything you do, you start thinking "hmm, this is dangerous" [11:51] I never liked the "protect the user from himself" argument [11:52] jrib, #debian beckons :-P === ompaul runs [11:52] jrib: then you seriously have never help the average user [11:52] helped, rather [11:52]