[01:26] <Scunizi> I'm trying to install xubuntu desktop.  During the install it freezes at 78%.  256meg ram. p4 2ghz, ide drive.. Anyone experience this or know of a solution?
[01:29] <vidd> Scunizi, you doing live cd or alt?
[01:30] <Scunizi> live
[01:30] <vidd> what does it say its installing?
[01:30] <Scunizi> just a sec. I'll look
[01:30] <vidd> and do you have a live connection to the internet?
[01:31] <vidd> make that does IT have a live....
[01:31] <Scunizi> connection yes.. verified with FF. configuring system locales..
[01:31] <vidd> it might not be frozen....
[01:32] <Scunizi> 20 minutes at the same spot
[01:32] <vidd> every time it updates a font, it must re-initialize them all....
[01:32] <Scunizi> and the mouse quit working
[01:32] <vidd> and that does take a while
[01:32] <Scunizi> k
[01:32] <Scunizi> I don't even see any drive activity, HD or CD
[01:33] <vidd> ive found less trouble that way
[01:33] <Scunizi> me too in the past. however when I tried that with ubuntu fiesty it messed with my other partitions.. Desktop didn't
[01:33] <vidd> but if you have a live connection to the internet, you might want to do the mini iso....
[01:34] <vidd> its tiny, and gets everything from the internet
[01:34] <Scunizi> I didn't know there was one..
[01:34] <vidd> haha....
[01:34] <Scunizi> got a link?
[01:34] <vidd> there is a copy somewhere in the ubuntu archives....
[01:34] <Scunizi> looking now
[01:34] <Scunizi> how bout just installing server then xubuntu-desktop?
[01:35] <vidd> but i put it on my downloads page....cuzz i always have trouble finding it
[01:35] <vidd> Scunizi, that will work too
[01:35] <vidd> i have the mini @ http://www.vidd.us/downloads
[01:36] <Scunizi> cool.. I may have to try that.. I'm fixing a machine for a friend..I had it going fine with ubuntu then he had ram problems.. Now I'm redoing it.. Thanks for hte link.
[01:37] <vidd> *another shameless plug*
[01:37] <vidd> =] 
[01:37] <Scunizi> vidd, what did you have to do to create your download site.. I tried it on a dapper server install I have and it just timed out when trying to download something.
[01:38] <vidd> Scunizi, as far as your install stalling...IDK
[01:38] <Scunizi> IDK?
[01:38] <Scunizi> got it
[01:38] <Scunizi> i don't know
[01:38] <Scunizi> right?
[01:38] <vidd> yeah
[01:38] <vidd> your having an issue with MY download page?
[01:38] <vidd> or with yours?
[01:39] <Scunizi> no mine
[01:39] <vidd> ah...
[01:39] <Scunizi> do you have to have a funcitonal ftp server up and running?
[01:39] <vidd> want me to pastebin my downloads index page?
[01:39] <vidd> yeah
[01:40] <Scunizi> that's what I've been struggling with is the ftp portion.
[01:40] <vidd> hrm...i think my downloads page worked without FTP installed....
[01:40] <Scunizi> mine did locally but not outside the network
[01:41] <dan40> test
[01:41] <Scunizi> server's down right now.. and my honey do list is long today..
[01:41] <vidd> dan40, your here
[01:41] <vidd> Scunizi, haha
[01:41] <Scunizi> Thanks guys!  see ya later.
[01:41] <dan40> cool, thanks vidd. Can you guys help me with a Samba question. I am using Xubuntu
[01:42] <vidd> Scunizi, my server is co-located...so idn
[01:42] <raymond> i cant get cd burning to work :(
[01:42] <vidd> ask away dan40 , if I dont know the answer, someone here will
[01:42] <vidd> =] 
[01:42] <vidd> raymond, are you trying to burn an ISO with xfburn?
[01:44] <dan40> thanks. Well its been many years since I used linux. Back then I started Samba but it was all in the terminal and not using GUI. Plus I don't hardly remember how I did anything. So the question is how do I browse windows machines across my network using Samba and Xubuntu. I have already loaded the package when it prompted me under Shared Folders.
[01:46] <vidd> dan40, i never used samba...i prefer to make my network users use ftp on my local network....but i believ you need to install something like pynetworkneighborhood
[01:47] <vidd> sorry...pyneighborhood
[01:47] <dan40> hmm. let me have a look at the packages to see if I can find it.
[01:47] <vidd> with just samba windows machine can see you, with pyneighborhood, you can see the windows machines
[01:48] <vidd> its in universe
[01:48] <dan40> Yes that would be good
[01:49] <raymond> i tried using xfburn to copy, make an iso and burn an iso
[01:49] <raymond> no go
[01:49] <vidd> raymond, at present, that is a known issue.....
[01:49] <raymond> thought it was the burner so swapped it out with a known good
[01:49] <raymond> same problem
[01:49] <vidd> you will need to either use the command line tools, or install a heftier package like gnomebaker
[01:50] <raymond> ive tried brasero
[01:50] <raymond> same problem
[01:50] <dan40> vidd: thanks that looks like exactly what I need
[01:51] <vidd> raymond, try gnomebaker....xfburn and brasero did not work for me either...but gnomebaker did
[01:53] <raymond> ok will try
[01:53] <vidd> raymond, let me know =] 
[01:56] <dan40> vidd: Thanks for your help so far. I don't know if you can answer this since you don't use Samba. That pyneighborhood works fine and is exactly wh"unable to mount"
[01:56] <dan40> poop. my message got cut..hehe
[01:57] <vidd> you cant mount a windows dive?
[01:57] <dan40> I can see the machines. It recognizes all the machines on my network but when I click on a folder then it says " unable to mount"
[01:59] <dan40> i can access the machines via Windows XP so I know they work. Does it matter that the drives are NTFS and not ext3?
[01:59] <vidd> i believe it does....
[02:00] <dan40> aw man..thats like how it was 6 years ago...I thought maybe things had changed.
[02:00] <vidd> there is a package somewhere that allows you to read/rite to ntfs files and drives
[02:00] <vidd> let me look....
[02:02] <dan40> k
[02:03] <vidd> check out ntfsprogs
[02:04] <raymond> success with gnomebaker
[02:04] <raymond> !!!YAY!!!
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yay!!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <vidd> raymond, awesome
[02:04] <vidd> dan40, i think its in main
[02:04] <dan40> vidd: looking at it right nwo
[02:04] <dan40> now..even
[02:05] <vidd> twisted finger syndrome strikes again dan40 !
[02:05] <dan40> fat fingers :(
[02:06] <vidd> dan40, that was definantly TWISTED finger.....
[02:06] <vidd> rthisd is fat finger!
[02:06] <vidd> =] 
[02:07] <dan40> heh yeah your right
[02:08] <TheSheep> and switches it to dvorak
[02:08] <vidd> ;l33 ku[] 
[02:08] <vidd> that was strange!
[02:09] <vidd> =] 
[02:10] <TheSheep> no
[02:10] <TheSheep> you can even connect two keyboards
[02:10] <vidd> only windows is too stupid to recognize which is wich?
[02:11] <TheSheep> yup
[02:11] <vidd> XD
[02:12] <vidd> dan40, did that help your issue?
[02:13] <dan40> vidd: I haven't installed that package yet. I am browsing the MANY pages of discussions on windows file sharing in the Ubuntu forums.
[02:14] <vidd> dan40, check out THIS: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Windows
[02:14] <dan40> k.
[02:16] <vidd> of course, you would substitue the network path for the drive path
[02:17] <dan40> btw, if anyone is interested. I am running Xubuntu on a 600Mhz laptop with very little memory and it runs just fine.
[02:18] <alnokta> dan40, pentium intel?
[02:19] <dan40> Yes, an old Compaq with a pentium...er II?
[02:19] <raymond> ancient soyo micro atx with a 500mhz celeron
[02:20] <dan40> hmm, I am reading that article but it brings me back to the smbd.conf file. I was hoping all that stuff was now in the GUI.
[02:22] <vidd> dan40, i know that pyneighborhood makes quick work of fat32 shares...but i never even CONSIDERED fooling around with ntfs partions....
[02:22] <vidd> they only just recently been made accessable
[02:22] <dan40> hmm.
[02:23] <dan40> I will have to dig thru the forums. I mean I know I can't be the first person to want to pull stuff off a windows XP share before.
[02:23] <vidd> dan40, no...im sure you are not....
[02:24] <vidd> but did you TRY the sugestion on that site i showed ya?
[02:24] <vidd> ya make a media point...
[02:24] <vidd> sudo mkdir /media/windows/share1
[02:25] <vidd> for example....
[02:25] <vidd> then sudo mount /path/to/network/share /media/windows/share1/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[02:26] <vidd> then use thunar to view it
[02:26] <vidd> and write to it...i guess
[02:27] <dan40> yeah. I read it. But everytime I use the terminal it feels like I am taking a step backwards in time. Like I am using DOS. I was hoping this had been resolved in the last few years.
[02:27] <vidd> dan40, but does it WORK?
[02:27] <dan40> not that its that difficult..I'll try it.
[02:29] <vidd> the reason i ask is because you will only have to do this ONCE ....
[02:29] <vidd> then just edit the fstab to mpount the shares at boot
[02:29] <dan40> won't I have to mount it each time?
[02:29] <vidd> not if it works and then you add the points to fstab
[02:29] <dan40> ah ...yes more typing...:)
[02:29] <dan40> fstab.
[02:30] <dan40> hehe
[02:30] <vidd> fstab = ? File System TABle?
[02:31] <dan40> I know it. You see how well I type...that might have something to do with me not liking to manual update config files
[02:32] <vidd> deep breaths dan40 ! we;ll get ya thru it!
[02:32] <dan40> I need to go to my happy place
[02:33] <vidd> 8 machines and only 2 use M$...and i refuse to touch them anymore!
[02:34] <dan40> Well I live with a wife and a 7 yo . I can teach them Linux but they have been using Widows for years.
[02:35] <vidd> work on the 7yo....
[02:35] <dan40> Yeah, she is going to be quite the computer freak. I can feel it already.
[02:35] <vidd> there is hope for him(?)
[02:35] <vidd> ooppss her!
[02:35] <dan40> ok I feel like a total newb. I can't even mk the directory
[02:35] <dan40> {sigh}
[02:36] <vidd> sorry...i was unclear....
[02:36] <vidd> sudo mkdir /media/windows && sudo mkdir /media/windows/share1
[02:37] <vidd> you have to make the /media/windows before you make /media/windows/share1
[02:38] <vidd> you may have to seperate them into two different commands
[02:38] <dan40> doh...of course
[02:38] <vidd> instead of using the &&
[02:38] <TheSheep> vidd: or he could use install -d :)
[02:38] <vidd> TheSheep, ??
[02:38] <TheSheep> vidd: man install
[02:39] <dan40> next...how do I figure out the path to the network drive?
[02:40] <vidd> dan40, that is simple....check thier properties in pyneighborhood
[02:40] <vidd> =] 
[02:41] <vidd> btw....do you have your networked machines with static IP's on your home network?
[02:41] <dan40> yeah, I thought about that but its not showing any "properties" I do have an IP address but I am sure that will change over time since I am using DHCP
[02:43] <Mask1> hi, how can i exit X to install NVIDIA drivers?
[02:44] <dan40> vidd: yeah I could do that. but I don't need to right now to mount the drive, do I?
[02:44] <vidd> Mask1, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:45] <vidd> dan40, no...but you DO need to knowe the ip address
[02:45] <dan40> yep. I have that. 192.168.11.4
[02:45] <Mask1> thanks
[02:46] <nzk> Is XFCE as nice as gnome? It looks exactly like it
[02:47] <TheSheep> nzk: it uses the same toolkit for display, so it looks similar
[02:47] <vidd> dan40, ... im reading  man mount .... trying to find the right command for mounting a network reasoursew
[02:48] <TheSheep> vidd: mount -t smbfs path-to-the-resource directory
[02:48] <dan40> thanks for your ongoing assistance. This really should be easier if Linux wants more acceptance in the non-geek world
[02:48] <nzk> I am thinking of switching to XFCE on my brand-new computer which runs as if it's 10 years old on GNOME
[02:48] <nzk> Can I do it without reinstall?
[02:48] <TheSheep> dan40: it would be esier if there was no windows :P
[02:48] <vidd> lol TheSheep
[02:49] <dan40> Xubuntu is by far the most user friendly Linux I have used.
[02:49] <TheSheep> nzk: yes, just install xubuntu-desktop and you will have an option on the login screen, (under sessions) to run either gnome or xfce
[02:49] <dan40> Point taken...TheSheep
[02:49] <vidd> dan40, seriously... its NOT this hard with fat32 and ext3 reasourses
[02:50] <nzk> Same with KDE, right
[02:50] <TheSheep> what are you guys trying to do?
[02:50] <nzk> ?
[02:50] <vidd> given time pyneighborhood WILL support ntfs
[02:50] <dan40> yeah..but windows uses NTFS for pretty much everything now
[02:50] <TheSheep> nzk: go to synaptic package manager, search for 'xubuntu-desktop' and install it
[02:50] <vidd> TheSheep, trying to make ntfs files hares available to read/write
[02:50] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[02:50] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:51] <TheSheep> !ntfs-3g
[02:51] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:51] <TheSheep> vidd: partitions or shares?
[02:51] <nzk> TheSheep, what happened to CLI or DIE?
[02:51] <vidd> shares TheSheep
[02:51] <dan40> TheSheep: they are shares under windows
[02:51] <TheSheep> nzk: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:52] <TheSheep> dan40: not drives?
[02:52] <TaJMoX> I really want to have an image for my bottom panel
[02:52] <nzk> The only thing different is the DE, right?
[02:52] <nzk> Shell, programs, etc. stay like they are?
[02:52] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: make or modify a gtk theme
[02:52] <dan40> well I can make the whole drive a share but really I only need some data folders within those drives.
[02:52] <vidd> nzk, no...the apps are lighter in xubuntu
[02:52] <nzk> I mean I still have them, right?
[02:52] <TaJMoX> nzk : it also installs a bunch of xfce apps - hundreds of mb worth.   if you just want XFCE just install xfce4 package
[02:53] <nzk> Meh, it already downloaded everything
[02:53] <TheSheep> nzk: xubuntu includes stripped-down versions of some programs, and also uses different programs by defult
[02:53] <TaJMoX> nzk - yes you will have all your gnome stuff too
[02:53] <vidd> nzk, yeah...if you install xubuntu-desktop and leave the other stuff intack
[02:53] <TaJMoX> TheSheep - I tried, I can't find any themes with image backgrounds to use as an example.   Can you recommend one?
[02:53] <TheSheep> dan40: I'm afraid you can only mount whole partitions under linux
[02:54] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: I think Murrina black has one
[02:54] <TaJMoX> thanks
[02:54] <vidd> TheSheep, you know the command to mount the file share?
[02:54] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: nope, sorry
[02:55] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: it's neutronium
[02:55] <TaJMoX> thanks
[02:55] <TheSheep> TaJMoX: look ofr it at gnomelook.org
[02:56] <dan40> TheSheep: Basically I wanted to browse folders on my HTPC that contain  movies. Under windows I just go to my "Network Neighborhood" and the machines show up. I drill down and there are the shared folders. I was hoping there was some similar functionality under Linux
[02:56] <TheSheep> dan40: pyneighbourgood
[02:56] <TheSheep> dan40: pyneighbourhood
[02:56] <TheSheep> soory
[02:57] <vidd> TheSheep, but how do you get ntfs read/write ability?
[02:57] <dan40> TheSheep: yes I installed that at vidd's suggestion. Its exactly what I need but when I go to mount the folders, it says its unable to mount
[02:57] <TheSheep> vidd: that's something else
[02:58] <TheSheep> !smb
[02:58] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:58] <greg__> how i set one key to be another?
[02:58] <dan40> I guess I don't really need write ability. Just the ability to drag and drop onto my desktop or a path to open them through VLC or whatever
[02:58] <TheSheep> dan40: you need smbfs installed
[02:59] <TheSheep> vidd: in this case, all that matters is that it's samba, it doesn't matter if it's ntfs or anything else
[02:59] <dan40> TheSheep: I am pretty sure that was installed when pyneighborhood was installed
[02:59] <vidd> dan40, try to re-install it....
[02:59] <TheSheep> dan40: do you know the path to the share?
[02:59] <dan40> I know the IP
[03:00] <vidd> sudo apt-get install smbfs
[03:00] <dan40> and I know the name of the directory
[03:00] <greg__> help?
[03:00] <TheSheep> dan40: do you know the share name?
[03:00] <TheSheep> greg__: xmodmap
[03:01] <greg__> TheSheep, how?
[03:01] <TheSheep> greg__: man xmodmap
[03:01] <dan40> under windows its going to be something like c://windows/dan/documents_and_settings/Desktop/movie_files
[03:01] <TheSheep> greg__: I'm sure there are lots of tutorial on the 'Net
[03:02] <TheSheep> dan40: but which one is the share?
[03:02] <greg__> TheSheep, ive looked at man and on google
[03:03] <TheSheep> greg__: http://web.mit.edu/answers/xwindows/xwindows_xmodmap.html
[03:03] <TheSheep> greg__: third hit
[03:03] <dan40> uhm... I don't understand. maybe c://shared/movie_files
[03:04] <TheSheep> dan40: which 'folder' has a little hand icon on it? :)
[03:04] <dan40> under windows you mean?
[03:04] <TheSheep> yes
[03:04] <dan40> the movie_files folder
[03:05] <TheSheep> ok, first try this: 'smbclient '//the-ip-of-the-windows-box/movie_files'
[03:05] <TheSheep> '
[03:05] <greg__> TheSheep, i dont get that
[03:06] <TheSheep> greg__: which word?
[03:06] <dan40> k...what should happen?
[03:06] <TheSheep> greg__: just copy one of the exmaples
[03:06] <TheSheep> dan40: you should get a prompt
[03:06] <TheSheep> dan40: similar to an ftp
[03:06] <TheSheep> dan40: typing 'ls' should give you a list of files
[03:07] <dan40> oh...interesting..ok let me play with it for a few seconds
[03:07] <dan40> do I have to do that with sudo?
[03:07] <greg__> TheSheep, how i switch period and right alt key?
[03:08] <TheSheep> dan40: no
[03:08] <dan40> ok
[03:09] <dan40> TheSheep: yes. I have access to the directory
[03:10] <dan40> sweet
[03:10] <greg__> ??
[03:12] <vidd> greg__, did you go to terminal and type xev?
[03:12] <dan40> TheSheep: ok now what? I guess I need to permanently mount that so that I can access it easily
[03:13] <vidd> you can use that command to find out what the keycode is for each character
[03:13] <greg__> ??
[03:14] <vidd> you want to switch the space with the right alt? or do you want the right alt and the period to be a period? greg__ ?
[03:14] <vidd> s/space/period
[03:14] <greg__> i want right alt to be period
[03:15] <greg__> and i dont need right alt
[03:15] <vidd> and the period to be a period?
[03:15] <greg__> period key  is broke
[03:15] <vidd> ok....
[03:15] <vidd> give me a sec....
[03:15] <greg__> so i need one
[03:15] <greg__> so change right alt to period
[03:17] <dan40> TheSheep ?
[03:19] <vidd> greg__, xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_R = period"
[03:19] <greg__> thnx vidd
[03:20] <greg__> ..
[03:20] <greg__> :)
[03:20] <vidd> yeah....now i need to UNDO it on my keyboard.....
[03:20] <greg__> lol
[03:20] <dan40> I guess thes
[03:20] <dan40> oops, fat fingers again
[03:21] <dan40> I guess theSheep is AFK
[03:22] <TheSheep> sorry, crashed my X :(
[03:22] <TheSheep> greg__: here, copy this to your .xmodmap file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26831/
[03:22] <dan40> theSheep: there's always windows...
[03:22] <greg__> TheSheep, got it aleardy thnx tho
[03:23] <Jester45> im back everyone one, do worrie anymore
[03:23] <TheSheep> dan40: ok, now follow the guide at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26831/
[03:23] <TheSheep> dan40: the share name is '//the-ip-of-your-windows-box/movie_files'
[03:24] <TheSheep> Jester45: \o/
[03:25] <dan40> TheSheep: yep I tried it while you were gone. I can access all the files via the console...now how do I bring it into the GUI so I can browse it with the file manager or open it with VLC
[03:25] <TheSheep> for some reason the new gtk in gutsy seems crashy :/
[03:25] <TheSheep> dan40: once it's mounted from your fstab, you can just navigate with thunar to /media/whatever
[03:26] <vidd>  /o\
[03:26] <dan40> so just add that line to my fstab?
[03:26] <TheSheep> dan40: go to 'filesystem', then media, etc.
[03:26] <TheSheep> dan40: yes
[03:26] <TheSheep> dan40: or better this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently#head-9a9417197b46f020de9ba46f4842e4c18b11f3d0
[03:27] <TheSheep> good night and good luck
[03:28] <dan40> k thanks for your help
[03:40] <effie_jayx> hey all
[03:40] <effie_jayx> to change themes for xfce is there a graphical tool?
[03:52] <TaJMoX> yes
[03:52] <TaJMoX> "User Interfaces"
[03:52] <TaJMoX> in settings
[03:57] <effie_jayx> TaJMoX,  thanks :D
[04:51] <TaJMoX> What's the hotkey to shade a window?
[05:02] <Jester45> whats the filesystem of a cd
[05:02] <Jester45> TaJMoX,  you can scroll your mouse wheel if you have one
[05:07] <j1mc> Jester45: a livecd?
[05:08] <j1mc> or an alternate install cd, or some other type?
[05:09] <Jester45> a game cd
[05:10] <Jester45> so.. some other type
[05:11] <Jester45> its in .img format... can mount use that
[05:11] <j1mc> i'm not sure...
[05:13] <Jester45> ok im installing a converter
[05:14] <j1mc> Jester45: i found this: http://tinyurl.com/2tpxhy
[05:18] <Jester45> pong
[05:20] <j1mc> did you see the url I copied above?
[05:20] <j1mc> i was wondering if that helped.
[05:41] <Jester45> i opened it
[05:41] <Jester45> but havent head it
[05:41] <Jester45> read
[05:44] <alnokta> hey Jester45 you still young :)
[05:45] <confused> hellop
[05:45] <confused> hello*
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> can we help you?
[05:46] <Jester45> hi
[05:46] <confused> hpefully.
[05:46] <Jester45> alnokta, what ya taking about
[05:46] <confused> You see I downloaded xubuntu last night
[05:47] <confused> and I'm trying to install it to a computer with only 92 mb of ram.
[05:47] <alnokta> Jester45, nothing..pardon me
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> confused, did you get the alt cd?
[05:47] <confused> No =(
[05:47] <confused> I got live...
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> yo will be lucky if you get the live cd to load.....
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> *you
[05:49] <ryan__> how much?
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> ryan__, he has 92 mb of ram
[05:50] <ryan__> yea it will
[05:50] <vidd_laptop> live wont though?
[05:50] <confused> I dont want to download another 600mb file..
[05:50] <ryan__> live will not but alt wil
[05:50] <ryan__> l
[05:50] <ryan__> you might not have to
[05:51] <TaJMoX> Where do I change my key bindings for like pause/play/next/stop ?   They worked on gnome, and I can't find where to set it up in xfce4
[05:51] <ryan__> you can use the mini iso... unless your network doesnt work "out of the box"
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> confused, can your system connect to the internet via WIRED LAN?
[05:51] <confused> I guess..
[05:52] <confused> yes.
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> you can get the mini iso from http://www.vidd.us/downloads
[05:52] <confused> how big is "mini"?
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> 8.8 mb
[05:53] <confused> what does that have on it?
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> enough to get your lan working, and load the installer....
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> it gets the rest off the internet
[05:54] <Jester45> wich is less than both other cds
[05:54] <confused> how much will it download like 500mb?
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> it will only download what you need
[05:54] <confused> does that include like makefile?
[05:54] <Jester45> i think that depends on what you chooes
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> the reason the other options are so big is because they contain the ENTIRE main repository on them
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> where as the mini contains NONE of them
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> it just pulls all the info off the internet
[05:56] <confused> so I would have to download makefile etc. when i get into ubuntu/xubuntu?
[05:57] <confused> so It dosent download much?
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> no...you have access to all the repos....you just dont have to DOWNLOAD them all onto a disk to use them
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> only what ya need
[05:58] <confused> So i chose what i download from the installer?
[05:58] <confused> choose*
[05:58] <Jester45> confused, its a very basic cli, network and apt
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> in a manner of speaking.....
[05:58] <Jester45> yes
[05:58] <confused> that inclkudes MAKEFILE?
[05:58] <confused> includes*
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> NO MAKEFILEs
[05:59] <confused> do i need makefiles in xubuntu?
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> only if you later decide to compile something not in the repo's from source
[06:00] <confused> isn't there a like sudo apt-get buil-essentials command anywhos?
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> 99.9% of anything a new linux user needs is available via apt-get/synaptic
[06:00] <confused> oh,
[06:00] <confused> thats what i write in the command?
[06:01] <confused> just apt-get/synaptic..
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> confused, have you ever used a debian-based distro?
[06:01] <confused> uh I've never used any linux appcept dsl
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> dsl is similar....
[06:02] <Jester45> to install somthing you do sudo apt-get install packagename
[06:02] <Jester45> and your likely to get it found
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> or, you can use the GUI front-end...synaptic
[06:03] <Jester45> once you install it
[06:03] <confused> so what do i type in command for this synaptic thingy?
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> gksudo synaptic
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> or, you can go to applications>system>synaptic
[06:04] <Jester45> !apt
[06:04] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:04] <confused> !synaptic
[06:04] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[06:05] <confused> Thanks people.
[06:48] <dan40>  /join #ubuntu
[06:59] <TaJMoX> How do I get my media keys working in xubuntu?   Regular ubuntu had a keyboard gui thing where I just click "Play" and then press the keyboard button to map it.
[07:13] <Jester45> xmodmap
[07:41] <dan40> I am having a problem with my /etc/fstab config
[07:41] <dan40> this is the text of the line in my /etc/fstab that is giving me problems http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26851/plain/
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[09:00] <test3r> !cdemu
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdemu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:01] <test3r> hmmmm - OK I give up - whats the reason we dont use cdemu?
[09:02] <test3r> they have in their future plans for support for image formats I can only burn with windows as of right now (dreamcast backups)
[09:02] <test3r> well - the orig format , that is
[09:02] <test3r> i know a way to re-image it with linux that it would burn it again
[09:03] <test3r> but that's not what i need i need to be able to burn CDI images
[09:03] <vidd_laptop> test3r, what are you talking about?
[09:03] <test3r> .cdi
[09:03] <test3r> Disk Juggler format
[09:03] <vidd_laptop> oh...kay.....
[09:03] <vidd_laptop> what does that do?
[09:04] <test3r> it allows for odd images like a 500K starting boot track in AUDIO mode (but is infact scrabled binary data in that track)
[09:04] <test3r> then its BIN
[09:04] <test3r> then some have RAW audio
[09:04] <test3r> its pretty nuts, rly.
[09:05] <vidd_laptop> is there a reason you would WANT to do this?
[09:05] <test3r> tux CAN do it its just not out there yet .  the guy doing the cdEmu GNU code has on the page that it is in the future plans for their program
[09:05] <test3r> well yes
[09:05] <test3r> people still use dreamcast that know how
[09:06] <test3r> you can get one with several games and a couple controllers for Less then the price of 1/2 a tank of gas in an SUV now adays
[09:06] <test3r> and you can burn backups of your games and keep your originals nice - and you dont have to mod any hardware.
[09:07] <test3r> and sega owns because of that
[09:07] <test3r> =)
[09:07] <test3r> also - you can make your Own games on it
[09:08] <test3r> there are several user-made-from-scratch  disks ive burned that play on my Dreamcast
[09:08] <test3r> you can also make ROMs disks.
[09:09] <test3r> ijn fact - a game i just made
[09:09] <test3r> that is on Newsgroups
[09:09] <test3r> RIGHT Now
[09:09] <test3r> ...   was done with GNU products
[09:09] <test3r> they made a game with entirely free software.
[09:09] <test3r> that runs on a video game council
[09:09] <vidd_laptop> question: how do you add someone to the sudo'rs group via command line?
[09:09] <Jester45> test3r, do file .cdi
[09:10] <test3r> !file .cdi
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about file .cdi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <Jester45> and it will tell you if it binary or iso
[09:10] <test3r> it is neither
[09:10] <test3r> dreamcast disk image is unique
[09:10] <Jester45> or what ever it is
[09:10] <test3r> thats why you have to use DJ or alcee to do them
[09:11] <test3r> its DAO if it is anything
[09:11] <test3r> thats the only Real thing u can classify it as
[09:11] <test3r> because parts are in RAW other track is BIN
[09:11] <test3r> first is scrambled bin
[09:11] <test3r> hey are elite.
[09:11] <test3r> OR just leave. whatever.
[09:12] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, you reboot?
[09:12] <Jester45> yes
[09:13] <vidd_laptop> anyone know how to add a user to sudo group via command line?
[09:13] <test3r> anyway - to answer you quickly Jester - they are mixed mode, multitrack DAO cds
[09:14] <Jester45> vidd_laptop, make me root
[09:14] <Jester45> and i will work on it latters
[09:16] <Jester45> bye
[09:19] <test3r> i figure if i can use that on the cdi itself i can re-make a TOC file and the data copied
[09:21] <vidd_laptop> and off to bed i go
[10:06] <test3r> actually i just rememberd & found one of my old tools i used on windows box to make the Dreamcast disks
[10:06] <test3r> mkisofs
[10:06] <test3r> but after you do that you have to run bin2boot on it
[10:07] <test3r> so just doing mkisofs in tux is not enough there is moronic step for bootloader
[10:22] <test3r> i just found a post of a guy that says the whole disk can b done with DD and using mode -xa and NOT -xa1 when burning
[10:23] <test3r> but thats from an existing disk in the Drive. We need from .CDI image........
[10:28] <test3r> Does anyone know if i can mount a CD with so screwd up data that the recommended setting for copying the disk is RAW Audio mode - if I can mount that disk through loopback and have it read everything correct?  =9
[10:28] <test3r> er- mount the .cdi  Image file thru loopbak, i mean?
[10:31] <test3r> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0
[10:31] <test3r> ca ca    =(
[10:35] <test3r> does anyone know the fs type of RAW audio according to the 'mount' cmnd inside linux?
[10:40] <test3r> even using autofs  on the -t option of the MOUNT cmnd fails out.
[10:41] <test3r> =9
[10:41] <test3r> bleh......  hmm...
[10:58] <test3r> huh! there doesnt seem to be much of a way at all.
[10:59] <test3r> there is a user on the Ubuntu forums though, baffled as to why, when ubuntu automounts his DC backups, they only read as audio disks.
[10:59] <test3r> How people like him ever got it to burn in the First place is beyond me
[11:01] <test3r> magic_ninja > do You know anything about Dreamcast backups?
[11:02] <test3r> (just for the record, in Xubuntu, I pop one in, and it sees there is both data & audio on the disk and give me a choice of how to mount it incorrectly LOL)
[11:02] <test3r> we need a "here mount this now, OK?" file system mount.
[11:03] <test3r> i ned mount override
[11:04] <test3r> if it existed it would solve the problem with the CDI files too
[11:05] <test3r> because I could mount, and then DD them
[11:07] <test3r> or, even easier, mount, then use "cdrdao"
[11:08] <hyper_ch> test3r: install vmware, then install windows there... load the .cdi and convert it to an iso
[11:10] <test3r> too ez- at that point i might as well burn a DVD with sever images in multi-RAR (like i did) for backup, disconnect my dvd drive from tuxbox, connect to linux box, turn back on, and just unfold/burn from there
[11:10] <test3r> even QuickPar runs faster than the CLI  par2 version Ive been using. Then again - this is a 500Mhrz box and the win is much much newer
[11:11] <test3r> xp needs the faster box though.
[11:12] <test3r> this 500mhrz box burns dvds!!!!   its only at 0.6X, but they BURN !
[11:12] <test3r> win would choke && die.
[11:13] <test3r> *connect it to the WINblows box, turn it back on
[11:15] <test3r> its all good. they'll sort it out someday here. I'm not the only one that's noticed it seems.
[11:16] <test3r> I wonder if I should drop that guy a line on the ubuntu forums? Although it would go something like "google for the way dreamcast disks are arranged & burned"
[11:16] <test3r> because thee is a slew of info.
[11:21] <test3r> heh, i even have a PAL>NTSC vid hak loader exe image changer thingeee for windoze that Works (sometimes)
[11:21] <test3r> you use it on the euro DC disks
[11:21] <test3r> er, I would
[11:21] <test3r> uwouldnt if u lived,..... well- u get the idea.
[11:23] <test3r> ;)
[01:43] <grumpymole>  /quit
[02:02] <Otacon22> anyone with xubuntu 7.04 can nopaste me his sources.list?
[02:02] <TheSheep> !esysource
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esysource - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <TheSheep> !easysource | Otacon22
[02:02] <ubotu> Otacon22: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:49] <gunnar> Hello all!
[03:49] <gunnar> Can somebody help me a little bit?
[03:49] <gunnar> :)
[03:50] <gunnar> anybody?
[03:51] <Gunmanic> I just have one quick question, I'm trying to compile a package from source, and I was wondering if there is a package I can download so that I can compile just about anything wiht haveing to worry about not having the crrect compilers
[03:51] <Gunmanic> ?
[03:53] <Pumpernickel> !info build-essential
[03:53] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:53] <Pumpernickel> It has all the basic utilities as dependencies.
[03:57] <Gunmanic> ok thanks alot
[04:24] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: if you install a new kernel on a server... how can you ensure that if boot process fails with the new one that the old one is then booted?
[04:24] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: : if you install a new kernel on a server... how can you ensure that if boot process fails with the new one that the old one is then booted?
[04:25] <hyper_ch> Gunmanic: why do you want to compile something?
[04:33] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: Test server, and infrequent kernel updates.
[04:34] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: well, that's not a solution :)
[04:34] <Pumpernickel> No, it's a preventative.
[05:17] <Gunmanic> hyper_ch just for fun :)
[05:18] <Gunmanic> It can be a pain but that just adds to the fun off figuring it out
[06:14] <Ychthys> Hi,
[06:15] <Ychthys> I am trying to get my mother's computer that is running xubuntu feisty to be German in all menus
[06:15] <Ychthys> Thunderbird and Firefox already are German
[06:15] <Ychthys> But the "start menu" of xubuntu is still English.
[06:16] <Ychthys> Where can I change that?
[06:16] <TheSheep> Ychthys: settings->language support
[06:16] <Ychthys> Cool, thanks
[06:16] <Ychthys> I'll take a look
[06:16] <TheSheep> Ychthys: sorry, it's system->language support
[06:17] <Ychthys> TheSheep: Neither of these entries seems to exist here
[06:17] <Ychthys> Maybe I am missing a package?
[06:17] <TheSheep> Ychthys: maybe, install 'language-selector' with synaptic
[06:23] <Ychthys> TheSheep: Just installing language-selector already took care of the German menu.  I also have the "language support" entry in Systems menu now.  Thanks a bunch.  You saved me a lot of time.
[06:24] <TheSheep> Ychthys: you probably want to manually install the 'xubuntu-desktop' package -- that will install all the remaining missing packages
[06:25] <Ychthys> This machine is a bit strapped for HD space at the moment
[06:25] <Ychthys> I will go through the dependencies and install stuff I deem necessary stuff
[06:25] <Ychthys> Thanks for the hint
[06:33] <Ychthys> brb
[06:37] <Ychthys> The "Start Menu" is still labeled "Applications".  Is that likely because of a missing translation?  The entries are indeed German now.
[06:41] <TheSheep> Ychthys: no, it's not translatable, just right-click it, select 'properties' and type whatever you want in there
[06:43] <Ychthys> ah, nice.  Thanks
[06:43] <Ychthys> TheSheep: What about "About XFCE" and "quit".  Those are also still English
[06:44] <Ychthys> Nevermind
[06:44] <Ychthys> I think I found it
[06:44] <TheSheep> settings->menu editor
[06:44] <TheSheep> they would be translated if logged in the first time with German langauge
[06:44] <TheSheep> but once you logged in, they were saved
[06:47] <Paladine> hey peeps does anyone know if xfce's compositing engine works with xinerama?
[06:48] <TheSheep> Paladine: I think there are people using it, and they didn't complain, but they might have been using twinview :/
[06:48] <Paladine> I ask because all the other compositing engines (beryl, ompiz, compiz-fusion) have removed xinerama support over the past year
[06:49] <Paladine> so it is impossible to use them if you have xinerama enabled
[06:49] <Paladine> they refuse to start
[06:51] <Ychthys> what?
[06:51] <Ychthys> That is a shame.
[06:51] <Ychthys> What is their reason to do that?
[06:51] <Paladine> xinerama disables xrandr, which is required to run the normal compositing engines
[06:51] <Ychthys> Oh, I guess you should use mergedfb?
[06:51] <Paladine> mergedfb is for intel
[06:52] <Ychthys> hm?
[06:52] <Ychthys> I have an ATI card
[06:52] <Ychthys> Or do you mean i386 specific?
[06:52] <TheSheep> Paladine: I'm not entirely sure, but I think xfwm4 requires xrandr for compositing
[06:52] <Ychthys> I'd be surprised about that, too
[06:52] <Paladine> I use multiple gpus and use xinerama to have a single desktop for multiple displays
[06:53] <Paladine> it always used to work with xgl+compiz-quinn
[06:53] <Paladine> but they removed support :/
[06:53] <Ychthys> gotta run
[06:53] <Ychthys> TheSheep: Thank you for your kind help
[06:55] <Paladine> k TheSheep thanks for the info, I guess I will have to wait until xinerama support gets re-added at some point
[06:55] <Paladine> which is damn annoying but since it effects all the compositing engines I have come across so far, it isn't xfce's fault
[06:56] <TheSheep> Paladine: I'm not sure of what I told you
[06:56] <Paladine> I wish I could go back to my setup last year with dappr+xgl+compiz-quinn
[06:56] <TheSheep> Paladine: I remember it requires xdestroy and that xrandr was mentioned too, but not sure
[06:56] <Paladine> everything worked sweet
[06:58] <Paladine> I was hopng xrandr 1.2 would fix the problem because it handles xinerama internally meaning you could disable it in xorg.conf allowing compiz to work, but sadly xrandr 1.2 doesn't currently support xinerama for multiple gpu's only a single dual headed gpu :/
[07:02] <Paladine> anyway thanks again, have fun
[07:18] <Jester45> TheSheep, you wouldnt know if i can have a ttyl on one gpu and X on another
[07:18] <TheSheep> Jester45: sure, that's hwat the 'pci' option in the xorg.conf is for
[07:19] <TheSheep> Jester45: you tell it which card to use
[07:20] <Jester45> o.. i want the intrgrated to be ttyl
[07:21] <Jester45> the pci card is better so i wanted to use it for beryl
[07:24] <TheSheep> Jester45: lspci will show you the busid of the crads
[07:24] <TheSheep> cards
[07:27] <Jester45> k
[07:27] <Jester45> well.. i need to get the moniter first
[07:27] <Jester45> and... kill my other xservers :)
[07:42] <raymond> i did a text install and didnt have it setup the network
[07:42] <raymond> how do i configure it now?
[07:44] <TheSheep> raymond: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[07:54] <raymond> now how do i tell it to reload that file? can i use ifconfig to bring the interface up and it will read that?
[07:56] <TheSheep> raymond: /etc/init.d/netwroking restart
[07:56] <TheSheep> networking
[07:56] <raymond> wow im retarded should have thought of that. thanks
[08:04] <hyper_ch> hiho folks
[08:05] <raymond> hi
[08:58] <R[a] ndom> xfdesktop is taking 40% of 1gb of ram.
[08:58] <R[a] ndom> I'm guessing it isn't supposed to do that
[09:00] <Consty> Does xfce use the same menubar applets as gnome?  For example configuring wireless and such using network manager, or does it use it's own?
[09:03] <neozen> no
[09:03] <R[a] ndom> anyone know of any repos w/ xfce 4.4.1?
[09:03] <neozen> I don't think it should
[09:04] <neozen> Consty: xfce doesn't use the SAME applets necessarily... but I believe it CAN
[09:04] <neozen> I've had good experience installing network-manager-gnome in xubuntu
[09:04] <Consty> neozen: Well what application do you use for configuring wireless on a default xubuntu installation?
[09:25] <Amon-san> hi, if i wanted to put /boot on a seperate partition, how big would it need to be in order to have enough room for the kernel?
[09:30] <Amon-san> anyone?
[09:30] <cellofellow> 10 or 15MB should do it I think.
[09:30] <cellofellow> how big is it now?
[09:30] <Amon-san> 32M
[09:31] <cellofellow> make it 50 and that should do you. Mine is actually 62MB
[09:31] <cellofellow> how I don't know.
[09:31] <cellofellow> You won't hardly notice even if you have a 100MB /boot
[09:31] <cellofellow> it will seem teeeny
[09:31] <cellofellow> but be plenty
[09:36] <Amon-san> thanks
[09:40] <Jester45> cellofel1ow, what if you upgrade to a new kernel doesnt the old ones stay?
[09:40] <Jester45> that would add up
[09:41] <kalikiana> Jester45, You can easily remove kernels via apt. ;)
[09:41] <kalikiana> Unless you're one of those custom-kernel-guys...
[09:41] <Jester45> ...
[09:43] <cellofellow> I clean up my kernels when I can.
[09:45] <kalikiana> Funnily, OpenBSD even states on a help page, that they won't support custom kernels.
[09:46] <kalikiana> Yet this is understandable. And probably the least strange thing about BSD.
[09:49] <cellofellow> OpenBSD is all about security, and they use a "cathedral" development model, not a "bazaar", so that would make sense.
[09:50] <TheSheep> now we are back at the 'trash dumb behind the bazaar' model
[09:50] <TheSheep> dump
[09:51] <cellofellow> oh?
[09:51] <TheSheep> nothing, really, please ignore me
[09:51] <cellofellow> what do you mean?
[09:51] <cellofellow> ok
[09:52] <TheSheep> damn, I'm answering before people ask *again* >_<
[09:52] <cellofellow> sorry
[09:54] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Now that I see you, the update is there if you're interested.
[09:54] <kalikiana> And you said you have some comments to make.
[09:56] <TheSheep> kalikiana: ah, just when I did a Great Cleanup and removed the compiled webcore :)
[09:57] <kalikiana> TheSheep, I wonder why you'd do that - webcore isn't that big.
[09:57] <kalikiana> Compared to mozilla stuff or qt.
[09:57] <TheSheep> kalikiana: it looked bad just lying there and doing nothing :)
[09:58] <TheSheep> kalikiana: I usually keep everything "just in case", periodically throwing it all away in a Great Cleanup
[09:59] <TheSheep> kalikiana: I *always* suffer after them
[10:00] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Seems you're doing it similar to me. But *I* keep for example some tarballs even if they are not installed. That often reduces the suffereing.
[10:09] <hyper_ch> ufff.... so enough programming done for today :)
[10:09] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: do tell
[10:09] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: writing a small bot :)
[10:10] <TheSheep> tickle?
[10:10] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: for fetching the new published decisions by the federal court, sort them into categories and have certain ones sent to me by email :)
[10:12] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: ah, so it's a spider?
[10:12] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what's the difference?
[10:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: spiders, or 'web crawlers', are programs that traverse the Web and do something with the pages they find (archive, index, spam...)
[10:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and how do bots not do that?
[10:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I didn't say they don't
[10:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I just use a more specific term
[10:16] <TheSheep> used
[10:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ok :)
[10:17] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, there are paid services that do exactly the same... and it was easy to code :)
[10:18] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: glad to hear that
[10:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: thx... it's simple php :)
[10:18] <TheSheep> argh
[10:19] <TheSheep> .oO( at least not ASP ;) )
[10:19] <hyper_ch> what's wrong with php?
[10:20] <TheSheep> kalikiana: spot on! :)
[10:22] <cellofellow> aarggh I hate this not having my password.
[10:22] <hyper_ch> ;)
[10:22] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: you forgot it?
[10:22] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: my mom changed it
[10:22] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: lol
[10:22] <kalikiana> Haha, the evil mummy again. *g
[10:23] <cellofellow> She did it once, I found a work around, then she closed that one, I found another, now their all closed up.
[10:24] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: you shouldn't spend so much time at computers... it's better to do studying for school
[10:24] <TheSheep> cellofellow: boot with inti=/bin/bash kernel option :)
[10:24] <TheSheep> init
[10:24] <cellofellow> what does that do?
[10:25] <TheSheep> cellofellow: runs bash right after booting the kernel, instead of the usual init scripts
[10:25] <TheSheep> cellofellow: then you can manoually mount / and change the password
[10:25] <TheSheep> manually
[10:25] <cellofellow> geee
[10:25] <kalikiana> My mummy doesn't know or care enough to change a password. She is already confused if she tries to load a photo cd. :P
[10:25] <cellofellow> My mummy makes me help her lock me out of my computer.
[10:25] <TheSheep> kalikiana: technological solutions to social problems never work
[10:26] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Yep. I had that friend with sitting with an egg timer at his pc. :/
[10:26] <TheSheep> cellofellow: maybe it's for your own good?
[10:26] <cellofellow> prolly
[10:27] <TheSheep> cellofellow: fortunatelly cellos have no passwords ;)
[10:27] <cellofellow> yeah
[10:28] <cellofellow> (I don't really mind having my time limited, it's just having my access to actually DO things with my computer I don't like.)
[10:29] <cellofellow> Is there a way to customize /etc/sudoers so that I can use sudo without a password, and have limited access (like no changing passwords allowed.) Or to have it use a separate password.?
[10:29] <TheSheep> cellofellow: yes
[10:29] <cellofellow> do tell! or link me to a tutorial. It would be so cool to be able to do that.
[10:29] <TheSheep> well, man sudoers
[10:30] <TheSheep> basically, you want to require password for running passwd, but not for all the rest
[10:30] <cellofellow> how specific can it get?
[10:30] <TheSheep> (this is not foolproof)
[10:30] <TheSheep> you can always edit your /etc/shadow
[10:31] <cellofellow> I don't know how to edit /etc/shadow, seeing as it uses encrypted stuff.
[10:34] <Jester45> anyone here want to walk me though setting apache up?
[10:34] <Jester45> im stuck at the user/group for it to run as
[10:34] <kalikiana> Jester45, Are you kidding? That's too easy on ubuntu. :P
[10:34] <cellofellow> www-data:www-data
[10:35] <Jester45> ok let me ssh in again
[10:35] <Jester45> o and by the way im installing torrent flux... but not from the repo
[10:36] <Jester45> i dont like installing server/internet stuff like that from repo because i want to know where it all it
[10:36] <BFTD> yeah same here
[10:37] <BFTD> Jester45 usually everything with apache is root
[10:37] <Jester45> no... it says that you shoudlnt run it as root
[10:37] <Jester45> umm syntax error...
[10:37] <cellofellow> that would be correct
[10:38] <Jester45> can nano list line #
[10:38] <kalikiana> Every cracker should be happy to see that you like to run apache as root. ;)
[10:39] <TheSheep> Jester45: better use the packaged one, you can list the files with dpkg -L
[10:40] <Jester45> TheSheep, if i use the packaged one where does it install the files to... the .php files
[10:40] <Jester45> or would you know
[10:40] <TheSheep> Jester45: apache doesn't come with .php files as far as I know
[10:40] <TheSheep> Jester45: it is written in C, mostly
[10:40] <aanderse> so is there an xfburn plugin so thunar will be able to right click on iso and burn image like with gnome's nautilus?
[10:40] <Jester45> no, torrent flux. i installed the repo version of apache
[10:41] <kalikiana> TheSheep, There is the config and the default pages - if you care anyway
[10:41] <TheSheep> aanderse: it's easy to configure using the 'custom actions'
[10:41] <aanderse> sweet
[10:41] <aanderse> hmm
[10:42] <TheSheep> aanderse: in Thunar go to 'edit->custom actions'
[10:42] <Jester45> can nano list line #s or skipp to a line
[10:42] <TheSheep> Jester45: no idea, use a real text editor
[10:42] <somerville32> Jester45, ^g
[10:45] <Jester45> im sshed in.. no gui... and i only know nano
[10:45] <somerville32> I use nano myself
[10:45] <Jester45> i know of vi vim
[10:46] <cellofellow> vim isn't too hard.
[10:46] <TheSheep> ed is the one and only true editor!
[10:46] <cellofellow> syntax highlighting in apache.conf is nice
[10:46] <cellofellow> ummmm, ok TheSheep
[10:47] <Jester45> ok, i got a snytax error with this on the line
[10:47] <Jester45> ocumentRoot "/var/www/apache2-defualt"
[10:47] <TheSheep> DocumentRoot
[10:47] <Jester45> did i do somthing wrong?
[10:47] <TheSheep> you missed a D
[10:47] <Jester45> o yea it has the D
[10:47] <TheSheep> %)
[10:47] <Jester45> it didnt copy it :)
[10:48] <Jester45> or that might of been my fault, the d is where the cursor is
[10:48] <cellofellow> I think that only applies in <VirtualHost>
[10:49] <Jester45> so.. can i remove it
[10:49] <TheSheep> cellofellow: or globally
[10:49] <cellofellow> I tried globally before and it didn't do anything
[10:50] <TheSheep> cellofellow: because there is already one in apache.conf
[10:52] <Jester45> is it safe to just remove it
[10:52] <TheSheep> Jester45: depends on where you have it -- you need at least one
[10:53] <TheSheep> Jester45: they have a really well-written documentation at apache.org, really
[10:53] <Jester45> the error is coming from httd
[10:53] <TheSheep> that must be a HTT daemon %)
[10:53] <TheSheep> but you want one for HTTP instead
[10:53] <Jester45> i just want to get apache running, vidd will look at the config later
[10:54] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, apache is running out of the box right after you install it
[10:54] <Jester45> no... it failed
[10:54] <Jester45> i can purge/install it
[10:55] <TheSheep> Jester45: you're installing apache2, right?
[10:56] <Jester45> yes
[10:57] <TheSheep> Jester45: try the purge/install, it should really work out of the box
[10:57] <Jester45> dpkg: error processing apache (--configure):
[10:57] <Jester45>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:57] <Jester45> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:57] <Jester45>  apache
[10:57] <Jester45> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:57] <Jester45> Syntax error on line 298 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf:
[10:58] <TheSheep> Jester45: pastebin that httpd.conf
[10:58] <Jester45> and... it didnt purgw the config
[10:59] <Jester45> when i install shouldnt it make one for me
[11:00] <TheSheep> Jester45: pastebin that httpd.conf
[11:00] <Jester45> i deleted it
[11:03] <TheSheep> :)
[11:03] <Jester45> ok.. i think it started
[11:03] <somerville32> sudo ps ux | grep apache
[11:03] <TheSheep> Jester45: without the default httpd.conf it won't include the config files you give it
[11:04] <Jester45> i dont have any configs
[11:04] <TheSheep> Jester45: but you plan to have at least one?
[11:04] <Jester45> umm
[11:05] <Jester45> i guess
[11:05] <Jester45> for right now all i want is for apache to have php support and to send me those php files
[11:06] <TheSheep> you mean, to execute those php files and send you the results
[11:06] <somerville32> Do you want the php ... yeah
[11:10] <dan40> n e one here?
[11:12] <TheSheep> linux was bought out by Microsoft and we are packing our bags
[11:12] <dan40> TheSheep: hehe...Glad to see you. You helped me a lot yesterday
[11:14] <dan40> I am very close with this Samba thing but it keeps asking for my password. Not my windows password but my sudo password.
[11:16] <somerville32> Are you sure it isn't asking for your windows passwor?
[11:17] <dan40> My windows doesn't have a pw that I know of...besides its not the same passphrase
[11:18] <Jester45> TheSheep and somerville32, i tried to install torrentflux from the repo and it said the path for php has changed libpgp-adodb has chagned path please update your php.ini file
[11:18] <somerville32> /etc/php/php.ini ?
[11:18] <somerville32> Jester45, You do know thre is #ubuntu-server - right?
[11:19] <Jester45> nope...
[11:20] <Jester45> it auto reconfiugured php.ini after i pressed ok
[11:20] <somerville32> cheer
[11:21] <dan40> so I have no idea what to do or whats wrong with my syntax
[11:23] <TheSheep> dan40: but what did you do?
[11:23] <dan40> I can mount the share manually..but when I put it into the fstab it asks for my sudo password
[11:24] <TheSheep> dan40: at boot?
[11:24] <dan40> yes
[11:24] <TheSheep> dan40: have you tried adding 'user=guest,password=' to the options?
[11:24] <dan40> well no not exactly ...at boot it just ignores the line but if I do a mount -a then it asks for my sudo password
[11:25] <dan40> I have "defaults" where that goes
[11:25] <TheSheep> dan40: you have fuse installed?
[11:25] <dan40> here let me paste it into that website
[11:25] <TheSheep> wait, you do 'mount -a' as root?
[11:26] <TheSheep> I mean 'sudo mount -a'?
[11:26] <dan40> yes sudo mount -a
[11:26] <dan40> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26925/plain/
[11:27] <dan40> thats the line in my fstab
[11:27] <TheSheep> dan40: looks good, what is the output of 'sudo mount -a'?
[11:27] <dan40> I get a prompt asking for my pw
[11:28] <dan40> then it mounts just fine
[11:28] <TheSheep> dan40: you are sure it's not from the sudo?
[11:28] <dan40> whats not from the sudo?
[11:28] <TheSheep> the password prompt
[11:28] <TheSheep> you know, it's supposed to ask you for password when you use sudo
[11:29] <TheSheep> (at least the first time around)
[11:29] <dan40> yes. but why isn't it working on boot then?
[11:29] <TheSheep> dan40: see the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[11:29] <dan40> k
[11:30] <dan40> well color me stoopid I thought I had read that whole thing
[11:31] <TheSheep> it's still pretty weird and looks like some bug in smbfs
[11:31] <TheSheep> but at least there is a workaround
[11:31] <dan40> btw is there not a gui based text editor in Xubuntu? Not a big fan of this nano
[11:32] <TheSheep> dan40: mousepad
[11:32] <dan40> ah
[11:32] <TheSheep> dan40: you can also install Your Favorite Editor
[11:32] <TheSheep> (whatever it happens to be)
[11:33] <dan40> I guess I didn't correlate mousepad as a text editor...maybe if it was called mouse text or something
[11:34] <TheSheep> all good names are taken
[11:34] <dan40> ok its not letting me save in mousepad...sudo?
[11:35] <TheSheep> gksu -- better for gui applications
[11:37] <dan40> I will try it next time I boot to see if it works. {crosses fingers}
[11:38] <dan40> I am also getting a couple of wierd messages on start up. Ever since I loaded Samba I get this message that X cannot locate my computer on the network and it will not function properly. Everything seems to be working just fine though
[11:39] <TheSheep> dan40: add your computer name to the /etc/hosts
[11:39] <TheSheep> dan40: as 127.0.0.1 or something like that
[11:39] <TheSheep> dan40: the message is caused by a reverse dns lookup failure
[11:39] <dan40> even if I am using dhcp?
[11:40] <TheSheep> (X tries to find out what IP number your host name maps to)
[11:40] <TheSheep> and since you don't apparently have a reverse dns set up in your network, it fails
[11:40] <dan40> hmm good enough
[11:41] <TheSheep> dan40: just add your host name right after that 'localhost'
[11:42] <dan40> hmm, it already has an entry for it
[11:42] <TheSheep> and you still get the errors?
[11:43] <TheSheep> ah, samba itself can display a similar error when it starts
[11:43] <TheSheep> I mean the smaba daemon that is for *serving* the files *from* your computer
[11:43] <dan40> hmm, I think I see the problem. I was messing around with the domain a couple of days ago. I think it has the wrong domain
[11:43] <TheSheep> you can just uninstall it if you don't need it -- for reading windows shares you only need the smbfs
[11:44] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[11:44] <dan40> I am going to reboot and see if that fixes things
[11:44] <dan40> bbl
[11:44] <dan40> and thanks for all your help
[11:53] <dan40> TheSheep: Its working perfectly and no errors on startup
[11:53] <TheSheep> dan40: great
[11:54] <dan40> man I don't know how you can remember all these files and locations.
[11:56] <dan40> TheSheep: ok last thing. I get an ACPI {sp?} error right when I start. I notice that hibernate and standby don't really work. Shut down doesn't work perfectly either.
[11:57] <dan40> Is ACPI the system that controls those things?
[12:10] <Greg> whats a program i can use to run a .jar ?
[12:10] <TheSheep> Greg: java -jar
[12:16] <ochosi> hi, i wanted to compile the panel extension "places" today, but got an error that gtk+-2.0 was not found on my system (although i'm quite sure it's installed). any ideas how to work around that?
[12:17] <TheSheep> ochosi: you need the -dev package
[12:18] <TheSheep> ochosi: btw, the palces plugin is not that great -- it doesn't allow you to mount/unmount the devices :/
[12:18] <ochosi> mm, that'
[12:18] <ochosi> s correct
[12:19] <ochosi> just wanted to check it out
[12:19] <ochosi> thanks anyway!