=== MetaCube [n=Chikubu@205.163.99.158] has joined #xubuntu === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-67-191.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === j1mmc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-128.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === j1mmc is now known as j1mc === Scunizi [n=Scunizi@ip72-197-240-36.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === ron_o [n=ron@12-210-174-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:26] I'm trying to install xubuntu desktop. During the install it freezes at 78%. 256meg ram. p4 2ghz, ide drive.. Anyone experience this or know of a solution? [01:29] Scunizi, you doing live cd or alt? [01:30] live [01:30] what does it say its installing? [01:30] just a sec. I'll look [01:30] and do you have a live connection to the internet? [01:31] make that does IT have a live.... [01:31] connection yes.. verified with FF. configuring system locales.. [01:31] it might not be frozen.... [01:32] 20 minutes at the same spot [01:32] every time it updates a font, it must re-initialize them all.... [01:32] and the mouse quit working [01:32] and that does take a while [01:32] k [01:32] I don't even see any drive activity, HD or CD === vidd usually does the alt cd... [01:33] ive found less trouble that way [01:33] me too in the past. however when I tried that with ubuntu fiesty it messed with my other partitions.. Desktop didn't [01:33] but if you have a live connection to the internet, you might want to do the mini iso.... [01:34] its tiny, and gets everything from the internet [01:34] I didn't know there was one.. [01:34] haha.... [01:34] got a link? [01:34] there is a copy somewhere in the ubuntu archives.... [01:34] looking now [01:34] how bout just installing server then xubuntu-desktop? [01:35] but i put it on my downloads page....cuzz i always have trouble finding it [01:35] Scunizi, that will work too [01:35] i have the mini @ http://www.vidd.us/downloads [01:36] cool.. I may have to try that.. I'm fixing a machine for a friend..I had it going fine with ubuntu then he had ram problems.. Now I'm redoing it.. Thanks for hte link. === raymond [n=raymond@static-71-121-241-108.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:37] *another shameless plug* [01:37] =] [01:37] vidd, what did you have to do to create your download site.. I tried it on a dapper server install I have and it just timed out when trying to download something. [01:38] Scunizi, as far as your install stalling...IDK [01:38] IDK? [01:38] got it [01:38] i don't know [01:38] right? [01:38] yeah [01:38] your having an issue with MY download page? [01:38] or with yours? [01:39] no mine [01:39] ah... [01:39] do you have to have a funcitonal ftp server up and running? [01:39] want me to pastebin my downloads index page? [01:39] yeah [01:40] that's what I've been struggling with is the ftp portion. === dan40 [n=chatzill@c-68-62-217-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:40] hrm...i think my downloads page worked without FTP installed.... [01:40] mine did locally but not outside the network [01:41] test [01:41] server's down right now.. and my honey do list is long today.. [01:41] dan40, your here [01:41] Scunizi, haha [01:41] Thanks guys! see ya later. [01:41] cool, thanks vidd. Can you guys help me with a Samba question. I am using Xubuntu [01:42] Scunizi, my server is co-located...so idn === cliebow [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:42] i cant get cd burning to work :( [01:42] ask away dan40 , if I dont know the answer, someone here will [01:42] =] [01:42] raymond, are you trying to burn an ISO with xfburn? [01:44] thanks. Well its been many years since I used linux. Back then I started Samba but it was all in the terminal and not using GUI. Plus I don't hardly remember how I did anything. So the question is how do I browse windows machines across my network using Samba and Xubuntu. I have already loaded the package when it prompted me under Shared Folders. [01:46] dan40, i never used samba...i prefer to make my network users use ftp on my local network....but i believ you need to install something like pynetworkneighborhood [01:47] sorry...pyneighborhood [01:47] hmm. let me have a look at the packages to see if I can find it. [01:47] with just samba windows machine can see you, with pyneighborhood, you can see the windows machines [01:48] its in universe [01:48] Yes that would be good [01:49] i tried using xfburn to copy, make an iso and burn an iso [01:49] no go [01:49] raymond, at present, that is a known issue..... [01:49] thought it was the burner so swapped it out with a known good [01:49] same problem [01:49] you will need to either use the command line tools, or install a heftier package like gnomebaker [01:50] ive tried brasero [01:50] same problem [01:50] vidd: thanks that looks like exactly what I need [01:51] raymond, try gnomebaker....xfburn and brasero did not work for me either...but gnomebaker did [01:53] ok will try [01:53] raymond, let me know =] === Qew_ [n=qew@82-69-126-225.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [01:56] vidd: Thanks for your help so far. I don't know if you can answer this since you don't use Samba. That pyneighborhood works fine and is exactly wh"unable to mount" [01:56] poop. my message got cut..hehe [01:57] you cant mount a windows dive? [01:57] I can see the machines. It recognizes all the machines on my network but when I click on a folder then it says " unable to mount" [01:59] i can access the machines via Windows XP so I know they work. Does it matter that the drives are NTFS and not ext3? [01:59] i believe it does.... [02:00] aw man..thats like how it was 6 years ago...I thought maybe things had changed. [02:00] there is a package somewhere that allows you to read/rite to ntfs files and drives [02:00] let me look.... [02:02] k [02:03] check out ntfsprogs [02:04] success with gnomebaker [02:04] !!!YAY!!! [02:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about yay!!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:04] raymond, awesome [02:04] dan40, i think its in main [02:04] vidd: looking at it right nwo [02:04] now..even [02:05] twisted finger syndrome strikes again dan40 ! [02:05] fat fingers :( [02:06] dan40, that was definantly TWISTED finger..... [02:06] rthisd is fat finger! [02:06] =] [02:07] heh yeah your right === vidd suffers from both conditions! === TheSheep turns vidd's keyboard up side down [02:08] and switches it to dvorak [02:08] ;l33 ku[] === vidd swithes it back.... [02:08] that was strange! [02:09] =] === TheSheep swaps vidd's keayboard with his mouse === vidd wonders if that would acually be a problem for linux..... [02:10] no [02:10] you can even connect two keyboards [02:10] only windows is too stupid to recognize which is wich? [02:11] yup [02:11] XD [02:12] dan40, did that help your issue? [02:13] vidd: I haven't installed that package yet. I am browsing the MANY pages of discussions on windows file sharing in the Ubuntu forums. [02:14] dan40, check out THIS: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Windows [02:14] k. [02:16] of course, you would substitue the network path for the drive path [02:17] btw, if anyone is interested. I am running Xubuntu on a 600Mhz laptop with very little memory and it runs just fine. [02:18] dan40, pentium intel? [02:19] Yes, an old Compaq with a pentium...er II? [02:19] ancient soyo micro atx with a 500mhz celeron [02:20] hmm, I am reading that article but it brings me back to the smbd.conf file. I was hoping all that stuff was now in the GUI. === rokra [n=christor@ANancy-153-1-49-97.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu [02:22] dan40, i know that pyneighborhood makes quick work of fat32 shares...but i never even CONSIDERED fooling around with ntfs partions.... [02:22] they only just recently been made accessable [02:22] hmm. [02:23] I will have to dig thru the forums. I mean I know I can't be the first person to want to pull stuff off a windows XP share before. [02:23] dan40, no...im sure you are not.... [02:24] but did you TRY the sugestion on that site i showed ya? [02:24] ya make a media point... [02:24] sudo mkdir /media/windows/share1 [02:25] for example.... [02:25] then sudo mount /path/to/network/share /media/windows/share1/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 [02:26] then use thunar to view it [02:26] and write to it...i guess [02:27] yeah. I read it. But everytime I use the terminal it feels like I am taking a step backwards in time. Like I am using DOS. I was hoping this had been resolved in the last few years. [02:27] dan40, but does it WORK? [02:27] not that its that difficult..I'll try it. [02:29] the reason i ask is because you will only have to do this ONCE .... [02:29] then just edit the fstab to mpount the shares at boot [02:29] won't I have to mount it each time? [02:29] not if it works and then you add the points to fstab [02:29] ah ...yes more typing...:) [02:29] fstab. [02:30] hehe [02:30] fstab = ? File System TABle? [02:31] I know it. You see how well I type...that might have something to do with me not liking to manual update config files === vidd dunno [02:32] deep breaths dan40 ! we;ll get ya thru it! [02:32] I need to go to my happy place === vidd has a very happy (M$-FREE) place! [02:33] 8 machines and only 2 use M$...and i refuse to touch them anymore! [02:34] Well I live with a wife and a 7 yo . I can teach them Linux but they have been using Widows for years. [02:35] work on the 7yo.... [02:35] Yeah, she is going to be quite the computer freak. I can feel it already. [02:35] there is hope for him(?) [02:35] ooppss her! [02:35] ok I feel like a total newb. I can't even mk the directory [02:35] {sigh} [02:36] sorry...i was unclear.... [02:36] sudo mkdir /media/windows && sudo mkdir /media/windows/share1 [02:37] you have to make the /media/windows before you make /media/windows/share1 [02:38] you may have to seperate them into two different commands [02:38] doh...of course [02:38] instead of using the && [02:38] vidd: or he could use install -d :) [02:38] TheSheep, ?? [02:38] vidd: man install [02:39] next...how do I figure out the path to the network drive? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu [02:40] dan40, that is simple....check thier properties in pyneighborhood [02:40] =] [02:41] btw....do you have your networked machines with static IP's on your home network? === vidd never uses dhcp @ home [02:41] yeah, I thought about that but its not showing any "properties" I do have an IP address but I am sure that will change over time since I am using DHCP === vidd recomends that you asign your windows machines static IPs === Mask1 [n=pedro@48.Red-83-59-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:43] hi, how can i exit X to install NVIDIA drivers? [02:44] vidd: yeah I could do that. but I don't need to right now to mount the drive, do I? [02:44] Mask1, /etc/init.d/gdm stop [02:45] dan40, no...but you DO need to knowe the ip address [02:45] yep. I have that. 192.168.11.4 [02:45] thanks === nzk [n=nzk@unaffiliated/nzk] has joined #xubuntu [02:46] Is XFCE as nice as gnome? It looks exactly like it [02:47] nzk: it uses the same toolkit for display, so it looks similar [02:47] dan40, ... im reading man mount .... trying to find the right command for mounting a network reasoursew [02:48] vidd: mount -t smbfs path-to-the-resource directory [02:48] thanks for your ongoing assistance. This really should be easier if Linux wants more acceptance in the non-geek world [02:48] I am thinking of switching to XFCE on my brand-new computer which runs as if it's 10 years old on GNOME [02:48] Can I do it without reinstall? [02:48] dan40: it would be esier if there was no windows :P [02:48] lol TheSheep [02:49] Xubuntu is by far the most user friendly Linux I have used. [02:49] nzk: yes, just install xubuntu-desktop and you will have an option on the login screen, (under sessions) to run either gnome or xfce [02:49] Point taken...TheSheep [02:49] dan40, seriously... its NOT this hard with fat32 and ext3 reasourses [02:50] Same with KDE, right [02:50] what are you guys trying to do? [02:50] ? [02:50] given time pyneighborhood WILL support ntfs [02:50] yeah..but windows uses NTFS for pretty much everything now [02:50] nzk: go to synaptic package manager, search for 'xubuntu-desktop' and install it [02:50] TheSheep, trying to make ntfs files hares available to read/write [02:50] !ntfs [02:50] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse [02:51] !ntfs-3g [02:51] ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions [02:51] vidd: partitions or shares? [02:51] TheSheep, what happened to CLI or DIE? [02:51] shares TheSheep [02:51] TheSheep: they are shares under windows === TaJMoX [n=TaJMoX@unaffiliated/tajmox] has joined #xubuntu [02:51] nzk: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [02:52] dan40: not drives? [02:52] I really want to have an image for my bottom panel [02:52] The only thing different is the DE, right? [02:52] Shell, programs, etc. stay like they are? [02:52] TaJMoX: make or modify a gtk theme [02:52] well I can make the whole drive a share but really I only need some data folders within those drives. [02:52] nzk, no...the apps are lighter in xubuntu [02:52] I mean I still have them, right? [02:52] nzk : it also installs a bunch of xfce apps - hundreds of mb worth. if you just want XFCE just install xfce4 package [02:53] Meh, it already downloaded everything [02:53] nzk: xubuntu includes stripped-down versions of some programs, and also uses different programs by defult [02:53] nzk - yes you will have all your gnome stuff too [02:53] nzk, yeah...if you install xubuntu-desktop and leave the other stuff intack [02:53] TheSheep - I tried, I can't find any themes with image backgrounds to use as an example. Can you recommend one? [02:53] dan40: I'm afraid you can only mount whole partitions under linux [02:54] TaJMoX: I think Murrina black has one [02:54] thanks [02:54] TheSheep, you know the command to mount the file share? [02:54] TaJMoX: nope, sorry [02:55] TaJMoX: it's neutronium [02:55] thanks [02:55] TaJMoX: look ofr it at gnomelook.org [02:56] TheSheep: Basically I wanted to browse folders on my HTPC that contain movies. Under windows I just go to my "Network Neighborhood" and the machines show up. I drill down and there are the shared folders. I was hoping there was some similar functionality under Linux [02:56] dan40: pyneighbourgood [02:56] dan40: pyneighbourhood [02:56] soory [02:57] TheSheep, but how do you get ntfs read/write ability? [02:57] TheSheep: yes I installed that at vidd's suggestion. Its exactly what I need but when I go to mount the folders, it says its unable to mount [02:57] vidd: that's something else === greg__ [n=greg@68-187-231-122.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:58] !smb [02:58] samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT [02:58] how i set one key to be another? [02:58] I guess I don't really need write ability. Just the ability to drag and drop onto my desktop or a path to open them through VLC or whatever [02:58] dan40: you need smbfs installed [02:59] vidd: in this case, all that matters is that it's samba, it doesn't matter if it's ntfs or anything else [02:59] TheSheep: I am pretty sure that was installed when pyneighborhood was installed [02:59] dan40, try to re-install it.... [02:59] dan40: do you know the path to the share? [02:59] I know the IP [03:00] sudo apt-get install smbfs [03:00] and I know the name of the directory [03:00] help? [03:00] dan40: do you know the share name? [03:00] greg__: xmodmap [03:01] TheSheep, how? [03:01] greg__: man xmodmap [03:01] under windows its going to be something like c://windows/dan/documents_and_settings/Desktop/movie_files [03:01] greg__: I'm sure there are lots of tutorial on the 'Net [03:02] dan40: but which one is the share? [03:02] TheSheep, ive looked at man and on google [03:03] greg__: http://web.mit.edu/answers/xwindows/xwindows_xmodmap.html [03:03] greg__: third hit [03:03] uhm... I don't understand. maybe c://shared/movie_files [03:04] dan40: which 'folder' has a little hand icon on it? :) [03:04] under windows you mean? [03:04] yes [03:04] the movie_files folder [03:05] ok, first try this: 'smbclient '//the-ip-of-the-windows-box/movie_files' [03:05] ' [03:05] TheSheep, i dont get that [03:06] greg__: which word? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu [03:06] k...what should happen? [03:06] greg__: just copy one of the exmaples [03:06] dan40: you should get a prompt [03:06] dan40: similar to an ftp [03:06] dan40: typing 'ls' should give you a list of files [03:07] oh...interesting..ok let me play with it for a few seconds [03:07] do I have to do that with sudo? [03:07] TheSheep, how i switch period and right alt key? [03:08] dan40: no [03:08] ok [03:09] TheSheep: yes. I have access to the directory [03:10] sweet [03:10] ?? [03:12] greg__, did you go to terminal and type xev? [03:12] TheSheep: ok now what? I guess I need to permanently mount that so that I can access it easily [03:13] you can use that command to find out what the keycode is for each character [03:13] ?? [03:14] you want to switch the space with the right alt? or do you want the right alt and the period to be a period? greg__ ? [03:14] s/space/period [03:14] i want right alt to be period [03:15] and i dont need right alt [03:15] and the period to be a period? [03:15] period key is broke [03:15] ok.... [03:15] give me a sec.... [03:15] so i need one [03:15] so change right alt to period [03:17] TheSheep ? [03:19] greg__, xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_R = period" === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu [03:19] thnx vidd [03:20] .. [03:20] :) [03:20] yeah....now i need to UNDO it on my keyboard..... [03:20] lol [03:20] I guess thes [03:20] oops, fat fingers again [03:21] I guess theSheep is AFK [03:22] sorry, crashed my X :( [03:22] greg__: here, copy this to your .xmodmap file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26831/ [03:22] theSheep: there's always windows... [03:22] TheSheep, got it aleardy thnx tho [03:23] im back everyone one, do worrie anymore [03:23] dan40: ok, now follow the guide at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26831/ [03:23] dan40: the share name is '//the-ip-of-your-windows-box/movie_files' [03:24] Jester45: \o/ === cliebow [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:25] TheSheep: yep I tried it while you were gone. I can access all the files via the console...now how do I bring it into the GUI so I can browse it with the file manager or open it with VLC [03:25] for some reason the new gtk in gutsy seems crashy :/ [03:25] dan40: once it's mounted from your fstab, you can just navigate with thunar to /media/whatever [03:26] /o\ [03:26] so just add that line to my fstab? [03:26] dan40: go to 'filesystem', then media, etc. [03:26] dan40: yes [03:26] dan40: or better this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently#head-9a9417197b46f020de9ba46f4842e4c18b11f3d0 [03:27] good night and good luck [03:28] k thanks for your help === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #xubuntu [03:40] hey all [03:40] to change themes for xfce is there a graphical tool? [03:52] yes [03:52] "User Interfaces" [03:52] in settings === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-128.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:57] TaJMoX, thanks :D === ceil420 [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === neozen [n=neozen@c-67-186-66-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === neozen [n=neozen@c-67-186-66-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] === cellofel1ow [n=josh@69-71-170-119.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu === ceil420 [n=Ceil@71-11-245-60.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === doublemike [n=micah@66-207-82-184.dmt.ntelos.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:51] What's the hotkey to shade a window? [05:02] whats the filesystem of a cd [05:02] TaJMoX, you can scroll your mouse wheel if you have one === spankiez [n=spankiez@ip68-13-155-69.om.om.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === spankiez [n=spankiez@ip68-13-155-69.om.om.cox.net] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:07] Jester45: a livecd? [05:08] or an alternate install cd, or some other type? [05:09] a game cd [05:10] so.. some other type [05:11] its in .img format... can mount use that [05:11] i'm not sure... [05:13] ok im installing a converter [05:14] Jester45: i found this: http://tinyurl.com/2tpxhy === j1mc pings Jester45 ^^ === archangelpetro [n=bleh@host213-160-108-174.dsl.vispa.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:18] pong [05:20] did you see the url I copied above? [05:20] i was wondering if that helped. === Crutch_Fu [n=adam@CPE-67-48-74-163.neb.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === Crutch_Fu [n=adam@CPE-67-48-74-163.neb.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.218.73.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:41] i opened it [05:41] but havent head it [05:41] read [05:44] hey Jester45 you still young :) === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@static-72-86-134-158.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === confused [n=slapmest@125-239-24-139.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #xubuntu [05:45] hellop [05:45] hello* [05:46] can we help you? [05:46] hi [05:46] hpefully. [05:46] alnokta, what ya taking about [05:46] You see I downloaded xubuntu last night [05:47] and I'm trying to install it to a computer with only 92 mb of ram. [05:47] Jester45, nothing..pardon me [05:47] confused, did you get the alt cd? [05:47] No =( [05:47] I got live... [05:47] yo will be lucky if you get the live cd to load..... [05:48] *you === ryan__ [n=ryan@72-161-58-33.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_laptop is not even 100% sure the alt will load on that little memory [05:49] how much? === ryan__ is jester45 [05:50] ryan__, he has 92 mb of ram [05:50] yea it will [05:50] live wont though? === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #xubuntu [05:50] I dont want to download another 600mb file.. [05:50] live will not but alt wil [05:50] l [05:50] you might not have to [05:51] Where do I change my key bindings for like pause/play/next/stop ? They worked on gnome, and I can't find where to set it up in xfce4 [05:51] you can use the mini iso... unless your network doesnt work "out of the box" [05:51] confused, can your system connect to the internet via WIRED LAN? [05:51] I guess.. [05:52] yes. [05:52] you can get the mini iso from http://www.vidd.us/downloads [05:52] how big is "mini"? [05:53] 8.8 mb [05:53] what does that have on it? [05:53] enough to get your lan working, and load the installer.... [05:53] it gets the rest off the internet [05:54] wich is less than both other cds [05:54] how much will it download like 500mb? [05:54] it will only download what you need [05:54] does that include like makefile? [05:54] i think that depends on what you chooes [05:55] the reason the other options are so big is because they contain the ENTIRE main repository on them [05:55] where as the mini contains NONE of them [05:56] it just pulls all the info off the internet [05:56] so I would have to download makefile etc. when i get into ubuntu/xubuntu? === vidd_laptop got the entire system running ON DIAL-UP in less then two hours [05:57] so It dosent download much? [05:57] no...you have access to all the repos....you just dont have to DOWNLOAD them all onto a disk to use them [05:57] only what ya need [05:58] So i chose what i download from the installer? [05:58] choose* [05:58] confused, its a very basic cli, network and apt [05:58] in a manner of speaking..... [05:58] yes [05:58] that inclkudes MAKEFILE? [05:58] includes* [05:58] NO MAKEFILEs [05:59] do i need makefiles in xubuntu? [05:59] only if you later decide to compile something not in the repo's from source [06:00] isn't there a like sudo apt-get buil-essentials command anywhos? [06:00]