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| stdin | hmm, k3b 1.0.2 just came out, any chance of feisty packages (in -backports maybe)? | 01:01 |
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| Riddell | stdin: if someone packages it and tests it | 01:08 |
| stdin | hmm, maybe I should learn how to make a proper .deb :p | 01:09 |
| Riddell | start with the current, make a new .orig, copy across the debian directory, debuild to build | 01:27 |
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| doc_ | hi there | 01:30 |
| doc_ | hi | 01:30 |
| Riddell | hi doc_ | 01:33 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: I gave pitti a ping on the pinentry MIR. Didn't get much in the way of a response. I guess wait and see now... | 03:34 |
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| ScottK | nosrednaekim: The crowd in #kubuntu is generally less unruly. | 04:49 |
| nosrednaekim | ScottK: heh... whoops.. wrong channel | 04:49 |
| nosrednaekim | very ture | 04:49 |
| nosrednaekim | *true | 04:49 |
| ScottK | Also, the language police would tell it you were shocked by the number of people there, not the amount. | 04:50 |
| nosrednaekim | grammer NAZI's... | 04:50 |
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| ScottK | Didn't mean to scare him off... | 04:51 |
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| mhb | pygi: I'd go for a discussion here | 11:02 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: ^^ | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 11:02 |
| mhb | if you two don't mind, of course | 11:02 |
| pygi | just shoot | 11:02 |
| mhb | okay | 11:02 |
| mhb | the thing I argue about is the concept | 11:03 |
| pygi | of changing the regular dialog that k3b shows anyway? :P | 11:03 |
| mhb | we don't have any pop-up about installing codecs in Kaffeine, because there is no upstream code that enables us to do it | 11:03 |
| mhb | this one is also about installing codecs | 11:04 |
| pygi | mhb, you could easily write a patch | 11:04 |
| mhb | pygi: why thank you :o) unfortunately, I can not, because I don't have neither time nor experience with kaffeine code to patch it | 11:05 |
| mhb | pygi: that's a side note | 11:05 |
| pygi | mhb, I was referring to anyone, not you specifically :P | 11:06 |
| mhb | pygi: what I'd welcome is popping that dialog up only when a user requests encoding/decoding a proprietary encoded media | 11:06 |
| pygi | well, I thought that's what we're having here? :PP | 11:07 |
| mhb | pygi: AFAIK, k3b pops-up the dialog on startup | 11:07 |
| mhb | pygi: at least it did for me | 11:07 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, ? is that true? | 11:07 |
| pygi | mhb, but still,the dialog clearly explains what you get and what your options are | 11:08 |
| mhb | I might be wrong, though | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | not in my extremely limited k3b experience. | 11:08 |
| mhb | pygi: oh yes, it's on startup | 11:12 |
| pygi | o well | 11:12 |
| mhb | pygi: I agree the current dialog is not very helpful | 11:12 |
| mhb | what I disagree with is that k3b is useless without the codec | 11:13 |
| pygi | mhb, it's not useless | 11:13 |
| pygi | the dialog will be precise and show correct info, don't worry | 11:13 |
| mhb | a pop-up on startup is a way to inform a user about a thing he necessarily needs to know before he starts using the app | 11:14 |
| mhb | and this is not the case, IMHO | 11:14 |
| pygi | this is the upstream problem, not ours really. We'll just inform the user of choices. | 11:15 |
| mhb | well, the distribution of proprietary codecs is more or less our problem | 11:15 |
| pygi | ineded | 11:16 |
| pygi | well, we won't distribute those | 11:16 |
| mhb | I think the policy in Ubuntu is "offer installing them when the user needs them" | 11:16 |
| pygi | yes, I know | 11:16 |
| mhb | and that's what we should stick to | 11:16 |
| pygi | but I have no idea how much patching would that require | 11:16 |
| pygi | upstream should be notified that it should move the dialog to a more appropriate place | 11:16 |
| pygi | mail Trueg and tell him about the reasoning? | 11:16 |
| mhb | I probably will do that. He also might disagree with our policy and might want to keep his - "once a part of k3b is missing, report it to the user" | 11:17 |
| pygi | true, but ... | 11:18 |
| pygi | it's really more sane to display the dialog when user requires the functionality | 11:18 |
| pygi | mhb, please keep me informed | 11:18 |
| mhb | pygi: don't worry, I will | 11:18 |
| Arby | pygi: since we're on the subject, is that also true of the 'cdrecord will be run without root privileges' message at startup (i.e. it's an upstream thing) | 11:19 |
| pygi | Arby, hm? wodim is ran without root privileges AFAIK | 11:19 |
| pygi | Arby, what do you mean? | 11:20 |
| Arby | pygi: yes, but the message at startup imlies something needs to be done but doesn't say what | 11:20 |
| Arby | http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7506kdialogwx8.png | 11:20 |
| Arby | that message | 11:20 |
| pygi | image doesn't exist? :P | 11:20 |
| mhb | heh | 11:20 |
| Arby | oops | 11:20 |
| Arby | http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7506/kdialogwx8.png | 11:20 |
| Arby | missing / | 11:21 |
| Arby | should work now | 11:21 |
| pygi | yup, it works | 11:21 |
| Arby | big red warning at first start up | 11:21 |
| pygi | ah, k3b will always report that since joerg requires cdrecord to be run as root | 11:21 |
| Arby | implies I need to configure something but doesn't tell me anything about how | 11:22 |
| mhb | the description should be changed | 11:22 |
| Arby | yes | 11:22 |
| pygi | Arby, file a bug | 11:22 |
| mhb | remove the SUSE references and add Ubuntu help | 11:22 |
| Arby | as long I know it is a bug then I will | 11:22 |
| pygi | Arby, but IMHO we shouldn't put suid or run wodim as root | 11:23 |
| pygi | that's part of why wodim is there anyway :P | 11:23 |
| Arby | pygi: I have no idea about the technical end | 11:23 |
| pygi | I do :) | 11:23 |
| Arby | I'm just saying it's a bad message :) | 11:23 |
| pygi | true, but we can't get a better one | 11:23 |
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| pygi | or put "Solution: Just ignore it :P" | 11:23 |
| Arby | fine for me, not so great for first time user :) | 11:24 |
| Arby | but I agree it's hard to do much about it | 11:24 |
| Arby | oh well, I'll file a bug | 11:25 |
| mhb | pygi: we can get a better message | 11:25 |
| pygi | Arby, and what should I do with it? | 11:25 |
| Arby | pygi: I don't know, that's why I'm asking you, you were the one who said file a bug | 11:26 |
| mhb | Arby: file a bug, post a link here. Suggest a better message in that bugreport. | 11:27 |
| pygi | Arby, yea, but we can't do anything about it, and I've got no idea on what it should state | 11:27 |
| pygi | mhb, but what would that "better message" be? | 11:27 |
| mhb | pygi: "it is highly recommended to run k3b with admin privileges. <some more info about why> To solve this, add your user to the appropriate group in the User Management tool in System Settings. | 11:29 |
| mhb | or if the solution is different, post a different solution. I don't get that message here, so I presumed a group is all it takes. | 11:30 |
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| pygi | mhb, but it's not recommended :P | 11:30 |
| Arby | I'm beginning to wish I'd never asked :) | 11:30 |
| mhb | pygi: it is "highly" recommended, that's what the first message said | 11:31 |
| mhb | Arby: is that a bad solution? Or my bad English? | 11:31 |
| pygi | mhb, well, the message is wrong :P | 11:31 |
| pygi | (at least for ubuntu) | 11:31 |
| Arby | mhb: nothing wrong with your english | 11:31 |
| pygi | where cdrkit people claim that wodim doesn't need to be ran with root privileges | 11:31 |
| Arby | just two people giving me different answers | 11:31 |
| Arby | and now I don't know what the 'right' thing to do is | 11:32 |
| mhb | Arby: both saying "file a bug", right? :o) | 11:33 |
| pygi | mhb, I say no bug :P | 11:33 |
| Arby | I rest my case :) | 11:33 |
| pygi | haha :) | 11:33 |
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| Arby | I'm not the expert here, you two decide and tell me what you want :P | 11:34 |
| mhb | Arby: okay, you and me think you should file a bug | 11:40 |
| Arby | agreed | 11:40 |
| Arby | but it's going to land on pygi's to do list and he says no | 11:40 |
| mhb | Arby: do that, it could get rejected but the information won't get lost | 11:40 |
| Arby | mhb: fair enough, will do | 11:41 |
| mhb | Arby: more people are able to write patches of this "minitude" :o) | 11:41 |
| pygi | mhb, it's not about writing the patch, that isn't the problem | 11:42 |
| pygi | we're talking more technical discussion here :P | 11:42 |
| mhb | pygi: of course | 11:42 |
| === pygi should just remove cdrecord/wodim support from k3b :P | ||
| Arby | pygi: if I file the bug is it going to come to you anyway? | 11:44 |
| pygi | Arby, sure | 11:44 |
| Arby | in which case lets miss out launchpad and you make the call. | 11:44 |
| Arby | pygi: what do you think is best? | 11:45 |
| pygi | what about this ... I go to lunch, and when I'm back we discuss? :P | 11:45 |
| Arby | no bug ? | 11:45 |
| Arby | fine with me :) | 11:45 |
| pygi | great, thanks :P | 11:45 |
| === mhb is for bug, though | ||
| pygi | you learn about the reasons of cdrkit/wodim existance, and differences with wodim vs. cdrecord :) | 11:46 |
| mhb | pygi: could be we're the only ones who will be interested in it | 11:46 |
| pygi | mhb, doesn't matter, two is two ... so it matters :) | 11:46 |
| Arby | ahem, 3 | 11:46 |
| Arby | :) | 11:46 |
| pygi | ok, ok, 3 :P | 11:46 |
| pygi | but who's the third? | 11:46 |
| mhb | pygi: it might matter in the future | 11:46 |
| Arby | you, mhb and me ? | 11:46 |
| pygi | you can't count me :P | 11:47 |
| Arby | oh OK it is 2 then :) | 11:47 |
| mhb | pygi: say somebody posts the same one, or a similar one | 11:47 |
| pygi | mhb, lunch first pls? :) I'm late already :P | 11:47 |
| Arby | anyway, food now, discussion later | 11:47 |
| Arby | :) | 11:47 |
| mhb | okay, enjoy it! | 11:48 |
| pygi | thanks, yay :) | 11:48 |
| pygi | perhaps I'll think better when I eat :P | 11:48 |
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| === Hobbsee points to http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/ for anyone interested - top 2 entries | ||
| Hobbsee | no wonder i'm going insane... | 12:32 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, :P | 12:37 |
| pygi | mhb, Arby : back | 12:37 |
| Arby | hi pygi, hope lunch was good :) | 12:38 |
| pygi | kindof, always the same stuff :p | 12:38 |
| Arby | been thinking while you were away | 12:38 |
| pygi | and what? :) | 12:38 |
| Arby | are you saying that wodim/cdrecord never needs to be run as root now? | 12:38 |
| Arby | in which case the message would be pointless | 12:39 |
| pygi | wodim doesn't need to be run as root | 12:40 |
| pygi | that's correct | 12:40 |
| Arby | OK, so in fact the message doesn't need to be there at all? | 12:40 |
| pygi | (I have no idea whetever wodim folks actually fixed that, or just forcefully removed the need for root) | 12:40 |
| pygi | Arby, for ubuntu, that's the case, yes | 12:40 |
| Arby | but not for upstream? | 12:41 |
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| Arby | i.e. does wodim in debian need root? | 12:41 |
| pygi | no, wodim doesn't need root anywhere | 12:41 |
| Arby | right, so how hard would it be to patch k3b to suppress that message | 12:42 |
| Arby | and are there any good reasons not to do that? | 12:42 |
| pygi | no idea, shouldn't be too hard | 12:42 |
| pygi | mhb, wake up ^_^ | 12:42 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, also ^_^ | 12:42 |
| Arby | because the current message implies there is some critical action required | 12:43 |
| Arby | when in fact it seems to be totally redundant | 12:43 |
| Arby | looks like just something that no-one got around to cleaning up yet | 12:44 |
| pygi | well, usually folks don't clean up stuff like that | 12:44 |
| pygi | in reality nobody bothers about details | 12:45 |
| Arby | hmm, honestly I find that sort of message disturbing as a user | 12:46 |
| pygi | I understand | 12:46 |
| Arby | it implies that there is something wrong that I don't understand | 12:46 |
| Arby | which means I (wrongly) blame every subsequent problem on that thing | 12:46 |
| pygi | haha | 12:46 |
| Arby | which means I don't report geuine issues because I assume it's something I've done wrong | 12:47 |
| Arby | *genuine | 12:47 |
| pygi | I understand | 12:47 |
| mhb | pygi: back | 12:48 |
| pygi | mhb, wb | 12:48 |
| Arby | so the question remains, what, if anything, is the best thing to do? | 12:48 |
| pygi | I could remove the message, shouldn't be too big of a problem | 12:48 |
| Arby | IMHO that would be best | 12:49 |
| pygi | Arby, did you mail trueg? | 12:49 |
| pygi | or was it mhb who said he'll do that :P | 12:49 |
| Arby | wasn't me | 12:49 |
| mhb | pygi: me | 12:49 |
| mhb | pygi: no, net yet | 12:50 |
| mhb | not | 12:50 |
| Arby | pygi: do you want me to file a bug or shall I leave it with you? | 12:50 |
| pygi | Arby, file a bug pls, I can't track everything in my head, sorry | 12:51 |
| pygi | Arby, assign it to me | 12:51 |
| pygi | and post a link here, I'll make Hobbsee milestone the bug | 12:51 |
| Arby | pygi: OK will do, biab | 12:51 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, if we do a lot of k3b changes, we'd probably want to stop blacklist sync from debian | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: if you make changes, it automatically doesnt get synced. | 12:55 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, right, it goes to that merge thingy :) | 12:56 |
| === Hobbsee inst really paying attention ton anything | ||
| Hobbsee | yeah | 12:56 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, don't worry about it, you just sit back and relax | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | i should study | 12:56 |
| pygi | same, but heh | 12:56 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, 4 exams yay :( | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 01:02 |
| Arby | pygi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/121964 | 01:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121964 in k3b "Gutsy: k3b has misleading system config dialog" [Undecided,New] | 01:03 |
| Arby | ^^that OK for you | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: why milestone all these bugs, if you're just goign to go and work in a group on them? | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | it's just a way of work control | 01:03 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, then don't milestone, doesn't matter :P | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 01:04 |
| pygi | ;) | 01:04 |
| pygi | bug 121964 | 01:04 |
| pygi | assigned to me | 01:04 |
| pygi | :) | 01:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121964 in k3b "Gutsy: k3b has misleading system config dialog" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121964 | 01:05 |
| Arby | well I hope I've assigned it to the right person | 01:05 |
| Arby | or someone is going to be confused | 01:05 |
| pygi | I have assigned it :p | 01:06 |
| pygi | you didn't assign it at all :P | 01:06 |
| Arby | I went back and did it, must have crossed in the ether, nevermind :) | 01:06 |
| pygi | oh well :P | 01:07 |
| Arby | pygi: thanks very much :) | 01:07 |
| pygi | Arby, mhb : thank you :) | 01:07 |
| pygi | for gutsy you shall have it fixed | 01:08 |
| Arby | right need to go squash more bugs to compensate for the new one :) | 01:08 |
| Arby | \o/ hooray | 01:08 |
| pygi | hehe :) | 01:08 |
| === Arby hugs pygi | ||
| pygi | Arby, do squash k3b bugs pls | 01:08 |
| pygi | (test, and stuff :P) | 01:08 |
| Arby | I'll try, I find it quite hard to understand | 01:08 |
| Arby | happy to test if you point me in the right direction | 01:09 |
| pygi | k, sure :P | 01:09 |
| pygi | you have gutsy or what? :P | 01:09 |
| Arby | yes | 01:10 |
| pygi | almost all this bugs need a test of reproducability on gutsy: | 01:10 |
| pygi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/ | 01:10 |
| pygi | :P | 01:10 |
| Arby | OK, here goes then :) | 01:11 |
| === Arby fetches coffee and blank CDs | ||
| pygi | Arby, you do have rw mediums, right? :P | 01:12 |
| Arby | of course | 01:12 |
| Arby | a spindle full | 01:13 |
| pygi | great | 01:13 |
| === pygi has like 250 of those :P | ||
| pygi | mix of dvd+rw, dvd-rw and cd-rw | 01:13 |
| Arby | testbox which has gutsy on doesn't have DVD writer unfortunately | 01:13 |
| pygi | doesn't matter | 01:14 |
| pygi | Arby, some bugs don't even need burning, just rather seeying if k3b can find stuff | 01:16 |
| pygi | like in bug #45026 | 01:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45026 | 01:16 |
| Arby | pygi: OK I'll get started then | 01:17 |
| pygi | Arby, great | 01:19 |
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| Arby | pygi: how do I find out what the supported burn speed(s) of a CD writer are? | 02:10 |
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| Arby | pygi: also I think I found a new one in the process, bug 121980, sorry :) | 02:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121980 in k3b "Gutsy: k3b hangs at 'Verifying written data'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121980 | 02:41 |
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| pygi | Arby, a lot of the same bug reported | 02:44 |
| Arby | really, the others I looked at looked different | 02:45 |
| Arby | in the sense that mine doesn't throw any error message | 02:45 |
| Arby | the others do | 02:45 |
| pygi | right, but still the same problem :P | 02:45 |
| Arby | if you say so, best find something to dupe it against then :) | 02:46 |
| pygi | nah, don't worry | 02:46 |
| pygi | just test stuff =) | 02:46 |
| mhb | pygi: by the way, don't you want to write sebastian (of k3b) about the dialog? | 02:47 |
| mhb | pygi: you seem to be active with k3b | 02:47 |
| pygi | mhb, I'm active with anything cd-recording wise =) | 02:48 |
| === Hobbsee closes eyes and waves the magic wand and hopes that that k3b bug about the restricted stuff gets fixed soon. | ||
| Arby | pygi: following our earlier discussion bug 37423 can also be marked fixed? | 02:49 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 37423 in k3b "says i do not have permission to use cdrecord" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37423 | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | the bug comments are getting painful | 02:49 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, I saw hehe :) | 02:49 |
| Arby | pygi: since k3b does actually work when not root in gutsy | 02:50 |
| pygi | Arby, yea, let's leave it open for a couple more days | 02:50 |
| Arby | OK | 02:50 |
| Arby | I'll leave a comment anyway | 02:50 |
| pygi | Arby, kk, thanks | 02:50 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, people are just ... well ... | 02:50 |
| pygi | you know what I mean :) | 02:51 |
| mhb | pygi: twice as great | 02:51 |
| pygi | mhb, you're free to mail tho :P | 02:51 |
| pygi | it'll take some time before he responds anyway :P | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: people are people. i work in retail | 02:52 |
| === Hobbsee suggests just removing all the people. | ||
| pygi | Hobbsee, that can be arranged | 02:53 |
| Arby | thus fixing bug#1 in one go, since there'd only be linux devs left :D | 02:53 |
| pygi | but it will not be install auto-magically | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: *grin* | 02:53 |
| pygi | s/install/installed | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | Arby: *more grin* | 02:53 |
| Arby | right need to pop out for a bit | 02:54 |
| Arby | more k3b later | 02:54 |
| pygi | k, great =) | 02:54 |
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| pygi | Hobbsee, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2903841&posted=1#post2903841 | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: cool | 03:17 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, it's not cool :P It means there are severe problems in earlier releases | 03:19 |
| pygi | (not that we didn't knew that tho :P) | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | well.....true | 03:19 |
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| pygi | Hobbsee, I see more bashing on you :-/ | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: woo! | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: undupe them all, if that seems more sane, and let them sit | 03:22 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, I won't do anything | 03:22 |
| pygi | and you should just sit and ignore the bashes as well | 03:22 |
| pygi | I can just comment, and will do so | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: seems like male egos out in full force | 03:27 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, ;) | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | OMG but i reported the bug!!!! | 03:27 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, which one? :P | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | the ones who are whinging | 03:28 |
| pygi | I know you reported it :P | 03:28 |
| pygi | you didn't knew that? :P | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | no - the guys are saying that. that was supposed to be quoted, sorry | 03:29 |
| pygi | ah | 03:30 |
| pygi | k :) | 03:30 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, I won't use that patch btw | 03:31 |
| pygi | we need another wording, and a different style | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: yeah, didnt think so | 03:32 |
| pygi | and ofcourse the mention of k-r-e | 03:32 |
| mhb | what bashing? | 03:34 |
| pygi | btw Hobbsee++ for being calm ^_^ | 03:34 |
| mhb | pygi: ^^ | 03:34 |
| pygi | mhb, nothing important, me and Hobbsee decided it's better to file a new bug and make all other duplicates, and people are bashing :P | 03:35 |
| marseillai_ | Hobbsee: would you have time to revu some packages? | 03:36 |
| pygi | marseillai_, fire away. What ya need checked? | 03:36 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, btw. what exactly does k-r-e consists of? | 03:38 |
| === pygi looks it up | ||
| pygi | aha! | 03:39 |
| Riddell | ScottK: he'll be busy with release stuff this week, it'll be next week at the earliest I guess | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Riddell! | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: we have a bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121456 | 04:17 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed] | 04:17 |
| Riddell | morning | 04:17 |
| Riddell | a but in kubuntu? I don't believe it | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: heeh | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | *hehe | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: a critical one, in fact, imo | 04:18 |
| Riddell | yes, I agree | 04:18 |
| Riddell | it needs mvo to look at it really | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | right | 04:18 |
| mhb | poor mvo | 04:19 |
| pygi | Riddell, we closed 15 bugs in kubuntu in two days ... so I'd say yes, a bug in kubuntu :P | 04:20 |
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| mhb | I bother him enough with gdebi-kde and now this :o) | 04:22 |
| pygi | mhb, that's a soc project | 04:22 |
| mhb | pygi: yes | 04:23 |
| mhb | pygi: not his, though | 04:23 |
| pygi | you're that soc student or what? xd | 04:23 |
| pygi | xD | 04:23 |
| pygi | LOL, I know :P | 04:23 |
| mhb | pygi: how do you know about that soc project? | 04:24 |
| pygi | mhb, because I looked over all soc projects? xD | 04:24 |
| mhb | pygi: cool, just wondered | 04:24 |
| pygi | :) | 04:25 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: I still have to talk to seb128 about pgp config stuff, so there's no great rush on pinentry just yet. I'll see if I can get that done if he has a slack moment during the week. | 04:34 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2904273#post2904273 | 04:55 |
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| Arby | pygi: quick look at bug 49783, any more info I can add for you? | 05:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 49783 in k3b "cannot burn mixed cd" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49783 | 05:04 |
| === pygi looks | ||
| pygi | Arby, that should be enough, thank you | 05:05 |
| Arby | OK I'll change status then | 05:05 |
| pygi | yup, confirmed | 05:06 |
| Arby | pygi: do you want it assigned to you | 05:06 |
| ScottK | Arby: Don't change it to Triaged | 05:06 |
| pygi | Arby, nop, no assigning. | 05:06 |
| pygi | just change to confirmed | 05:06 |
| Arby | OK | 05:06 |
| pygi | After we get series of those bugs, I'll contact trueg | 05:07 |
| pygi | he gotta fix those bug upstream | 05:07 |
| Arby | OK I see, onwards then :) | 05:08 |
| mhb | pygi: ask him about that notification thing as well, please | 05:09 |
| pygi | mhb, ah, ok | 05:10 |
| mhb | pygi: if it's possible to make it show in a more appropriate place | 05:10 |
| mhb | pygi: i.e. when a prop. codec is about to be used | 05:10 |
| pygi | I will, I will | 05:11 |
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| pygi | Arby, thanks for closing bug | 06:03 |
| pygi | :) | 06:03 |
| Arby | always a pleasure :) | 06:04 |
| Arby | pygi: I beleive bug 93754 could also be closed? | 06:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 93754 in k3b "k3b reports problems with cdrecord" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93754 | 06:05 |
| Arby | *believe | 06:05 |
| === pygi looks | ||
| pygi | Arby, yup, close | 06:06 |
| pygi | there are number of same bugs as well reported | 06:06 |
| Arby | and when you've looked there bug 88934 also looks good | 06:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 88934 in k3b "k3b Crashes on "Extract and Encode Audio Tracks"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88934 | 06:06 |
| Arby | just waiting for test to complete but looks fixed so far | 06:07 |
| pygi | I'll close the first one | 06:07 |
| pygi | report on bug 88934 when you're done | 06:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 88934 in k3b "k3b Crashes on "Extract and Encode Audio Tracks"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88934 | 06:08 |
| Arby | if the test is successful am I good to close it? | 06:08 |
| pygi | yup | 06:08 |
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| Arby | pygi: could you look at bug 103075 also, seems to be some sort of /dev problem but it's beyond my understanding? | 06:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 103075 in k3b "Can't burn a cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103075 | 06:15 |
| pygi | Arby, I choose to ignore that bug :p | 06:16 |
| Arby | fair enough | 06:16 |
| Arby | :) | 06:16 |
| === Arby looks the other way | ||
| pygi | no idea what's he talking about, and the bug is too big for me to read :P | 06:16 |
| pygi | Arby, what happened with 88934 ? | 06:17 |
| Arby | I wish I'd ripped a shorter CD :P | 06:18 |
| pygi | haha | 06:18 |
| Arby | just this second successfully completed, closing :) | 06:18 |
| pygi | yay, great | 06:18 |
| pygi | Arby, state that it's fixed, and resolve as fix released | 06:19 |
| Arby | done | 06:20 |
| pygi | thnka | 06:20 |
| pygi | thanks | 06:20 |
| pygi | that's like 20 bugs down in two days for k3b | 06:20 |
| pygi | yay | 06:20 |
| Arby | today has been a good day :) | 06:20 |
| Arby | I feel like I did some good today | 06:21 |
| pygi | hehe :) | 06:21 |
| Arby | pygi: thanks for all your help | 06:21 |
| pygi | Arby, no, thanks for your help =) | 06:21 |
| Arby | not finished yet though | 06:21 |
| pygi | Arby, would you like to learn how to package software? I'm willing to help ^_^ | 06:21 |
| Arby | at some point yes, but not today :) | 06:22 |
| pygi | ofcourse not :p | 06:22 |
| Arby | I'm beginning to feel a little dazed :) | 06:22 |
| pygi | :P | 06:23 |
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| Riddell | anyone want to update k3b for new release? | 07:47 |
| pygi | Riddell, I do | 07:48 |
| pygi | Riddell, nobody should touch k3b except me :p | 07:48 |
| Riddell | pygi: you're the man then :) | 07:48 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: story published | 07:48 |
| Nightrose | thx Riddell | 07:48 |
| pygi | Riddell, when do we need that? | 07:49 |
| pygi | Riddell, i.e. how urgent? :) | 07:50 |
| Riddell | pygi: no urgency from my side | 07:50 |
| pygi | Riddell, doki, just leave the task to me then :) | 07:50 |
| Riddell | although it would be another nice thing for tribe 2, so I guess tomorrow would be cool | 07:50 |
| Riddell | but not vital | 07:51 |
| pygi | right, you'll get it then | 07:51 |
| pygi | Riddell, you'll get it tomorrow | 07:51 |
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| Riddell | ryanakca: what for? | 07:52 |
| ryanakca | aoeui | 07:53 |
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| pygi | Riddell, you're making me work ... evil you :p | 07:56 |
| Arby | pygi: you going to want that testing $later? | 07:57 |
| pygi | Arby, explain? | 07:58 |
| pygi | ah, sure | 07:58 |
| pygi | the dollar sign made me confused =) | 07:58 |
| Arby | $ == for some unspecified value of later than now :) | 07:59 |
| pygi | hehe | 07:59 |
| Arby | well, poke me if you do | 07:59 |
| pygi | help is always welcome ;) | 08:00 |
| pygi | sure | 08:00 |
| pygi | Riddell, I need to write a couple of patches as well at the same time then | 08:01 |
| pygi | so it's a good time | 08:01 |
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| nixternal | http://scourgeweb.org/show_image.php?id=51 | 08:11 |
| nixternal | 3 kubuntu users, me and the twins of course, 1 ubuntu user, and 1 xubuntu user, pimping *buntu at Barcamp Chicago style | 08:11 |
| Riddell | Barcamp? | 08:15 |
| nosrednaekim | whats this? where are you guys? | 08:15 |
| nixternal | Chicago | 08:15 |
| nixternal | Barcamp is an opensource event that happens in cities all over the US (I thought the world, maybe I am wrong) | 08:15 |
| nixternal | everyone comes together for talks, camping out, partying, hacking, and then some | 08:16 |
| nosrednaekim | ah.. ok | 08:17 |
| Riddell | nixternal: blog blog! | 08:19 |
| nixternal | working on it now :) | 08:19 |
| nosrednaekim | so... made any kubuntu converts? | 08:19 |
| nixternal | actually, there are already quite a few Kubuntu users that I found | 08:20 |
| nixternal | most were using Slackware and Debian up until Feisty, and have since switched to Kubuntu | 08:20 |
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| nosrednaekim | why hide? are you saying that kubutnu isn't sane? | 08:21 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: cool | 08:22 |
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| sebbar | hi, I think maxima-share should be a dependency of maxima... should I file a bug about this or something? | 09:29 |
| crimsun | NOTABUG. | 09:32 |
| crimsun | crimsun@Box.pts/2.~ apt-cache show maxima|grep ^Rec | 09:32 |
| crimsun | Recommends: maxima-share, gv | 09:32 |
| crimsun | crimsun@Box.pts/2.~ apt-cache show maxima-share|grep ^Dep | 09:32 |
| crimsun | Depends: maxima (>= 5.12.0-1ubuntu1) | 09:32 |
| crimsun | debian/control clearly is written correctly in those respects. | 09:32 |
| crimsun | you must avoid introducing dependency loops. | 09:33 |
| crimsun | if you make maxima-share a Depends of maxima, you introduce a loop. | 09:33 |
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| sebbar | crimsun: sorry I'm a bit of a noob user but you're saying that there's no way to avoid that a user installs maxima, chooses a function from the menu (which is included only in maxima-share) and gets an error message which gives him no clue that he has to install maxima-share in order to install that function? | 09:39 |
| crimsun | sebbar: aptitude and apt-get both honor Recommends by default | 09:40 |
| crimsun | it is Very Bad Packaging to introduce a Depends loop, as it does very bad things on {,dist-}upgrade | 09:40 |
| sebbar | crimsun: but adept doesn't? | 09:41 |
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| crimsun | sebbar: if it doesn't, please file a bug against the adept source package. | 09:41 |
| crimsun | it is _not_ a bug in the maxima source package. | 09:41 |
| sebbar | crimsun: I see thanks | 09:42 |
| Arby | sebbar: you are correct however, I just checked, adept doesn't honour recommends | 09:44 |
| pygi | Arby is awake :-D | 09:45 |
| Arby | pygi: well it's only 8:45 :P | 09:46 |
| pygi | Arby, PM, or AM? :P | 09:46 |
| Arby | pygi: PM | 09:46 |
| pygi | right, one hour ahead of you then | 09:46 |
| pygi | Riddell, around? | 09:46 |
| pygi | If I get an update now (i.e. in an hour) could you upload? | 09:47 |
| Arby | sebbar: give us a link when you've filed the bug and I can confirm it | 09:47 |
| pygi | Arby, I'll work on updating k3b soon | 09:47 |
| Arby | pygi: OK, I'm not going anywhere :) | 09:47 |
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| sebbar | Arby: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/122029 no clue if it's a decent bug report, it's my first one hehe | 09:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122029 in adept "adept doesn't honour recommends" [Undecided,New] | 09:57 |
| Arby | sebbar: looking, we all start somewhere :) | 09:57 |
| Arby | sebbar: OK it needs a lot more detail, let me comment and then you'll see. | 09:59 |
| sebbar | ok cool :) | 09:59 |
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| Arby | sebbar: how important is maxima-share to the functionality of maxima? | 10:07 |
| sebbar | Arby: I only know that the function to simplify trigonometric expressions (which is quite basic I'd say) is in maxima-share | 10:10 |
| crimsun | maxima is fairly useless without maxima-share | 10:10 |
| Arby | OK so maxima would be fairly inhibited without it | 10:10 |
| Arby | right so adept really needs to honour recommends | 10:11 |
| Arby | sebbar: have a look at bug 122029 now | 10:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122029 in adept "adept doesn't honour recommends" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122029 | 10:11 |
| Arby | actually I should probably have set that to 'Confirmed' | 10:12 |
| sebbar | great! one more thing I learned today | 10:14 |
| Arby | sebbar: for future reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs might be useful | 10:15 |
| sebbar | Arby: I bookmarked that :) | 10:15 |
| Arby | manchicken_ , Riddell: is it known that adept doesn't honour recommends and is there a reason for this? | 10:16 |
| Arby | other than 'no-one implemented it yet' :) | 10:16 |
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| pygi | ok, I'm seriously confused | 10:31 |
| pygi | why did StevenK uploaded new k3b package 7 hours ago o.O | 10:31 |
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| pygi | ah, some transition stuff | 10:33 |
| crimsun | yes, libflac++6 | 10:33 |
| pygi | Arby, you sure bug #45026 is still reproducable? | 10:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45026 | 10:35 |
| pygi | there seems to be a patch for that | 10:35 |
| Arby | looking | 10:36 |
| pygi | Arby, cdrecord suid stuff also seems patched already? | 10:37 |
| Arby | pygi: which bit, normalize or emovix? | 10:37 |
| pygi | Arby, normalize | 10:37 |
| Arby | pygi: what's there is definitely what I saw. | 10:38 |
| Arby | normalize isn't found unless you specify the search path | 10:38 |
| pygi | Arby, the patch replaces normalize with normalize-audio | 10:38 |
| pygi | which is sane | 10:38 |
| pygi | and should fix the problem | 10:39 |
| pygi | there's also a patch for cdrecord & stuff | 10:39 |
| Arby | pygi: the comments following the patch say that you still need to make the symlink | 10:40 |
| Arby | I'm confused | 10:41 |
| pygi | Arby, no, no | 10:41 |
| pygi | the patch is already in a package | 10:41 |
| pygi | sane one (not the one on the bug) | 10:41 |
| Arby | hmm, give me 5 minutes to check this, it might be my bad | 10:42 |
| pygi | Arby, it shouldn't display that cdrecord thing as well anymore | 10:44 |
| Arby | which one, the emovix thing? | 10:45 |
| Arby | pygi: which cdrecord thing, the emovix dependency? | 10:48 |
| pygi | Arby, no, the splash arguing that cdrecord should be run as root | 10:49 |
| Arby | oh that, well it was doing it this morning until I checked the box to hide it | 10:50 |
| Arby | haven't checked since, one thing at a time | 10:50 |
| pygi | k, I'm looking ito solving normalize stuff | 10:54 |
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| Riddell | Arby: yes, it probably just needs an updated dpkgthing.cc files | 11:00 |
| Riddell | pygi: pong | 11:00 |
| Arby | Riddell: Ok thanks | 11:01 |
| pygi | Riddell, this k3b patches are full of weird stuff | 11:01 |
| pygi | they are mostly *not* working or something | 11:01 |
| Arby | pygi: I've added screenshots to bug 45026 | 11:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45026 | 11:01 |
| Arby | actually adding the search path within k3b doesn't work | 11:01 |
| Arby | let me test the symlink method | 11:02 |
| pygi | ah | 11:02 |
| Arby | pygi: hmm, symlinking isn't working either for me | 11:06 |
| pygi | Arby, I think I got an idea how to fix it | 11:06 |
| Arby | is there something odd here or is it me | 11:06 |
| pygi | there's something odd | 11:07 |
| pygi | but I think I got it | 11:07 |
| Arby | well that's a relief :) | 11:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: ping | 11:12 |
| pygi | Arby, emovix I wont look today tho | 11:13 |
| Riddell | hi mhb | 11:13 |
| mhb | hi Riddell | 11:13 |
| Arby | pygi: fair enough that seems more awkward | 11:13 |
| mhb | remember your code in su.cpp ? | 11:13 |
| pygi | Arby, I'm looking into creating a couple patches anyway | 11:13 |
| Riddell | mhb: mm hmm | 11:14 |
| mhb | it's quite complicated, at least it's hard for me to understand | 11:14 |
| Arby | pygi: I'll check the the splash message as well if I can find how to turn it back on | 11:14 |
| pygi | Arby, sure, thanks | 11:14 |
| mhb | I'd like to find out how you were able to find out when sudo reports an error message about a wrong password | 11:15 |
| Arby | pygi: cdrecord message does still display at k3b start up. | 11:16 |
| mhb | Riddell: I'm sure Tonio won't be happy about the stuff I say now, but kdesudo has a pretty bad backend, which works by counting that the descriptions won't change | 11:17 |
| mhb | counting on the fact that | 11:17 |
| pygi | Arby, I'll see what I can do | 11:17 |
| pygi | but meh, that means that patch is useless as well | 11:17 |
| pygi | and it shouldn't be | 11:17 |
| Riddell | mhb: description of what? | 11:17 |
| Arby | pygi: some funky patching going on? | 11:17 |
| pygi | Arby, yes | 11:17 |
| Arby | oh joy :) | 11:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: well, stuff like "Sorry, try again." | 11:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: the messages sudo states | 11:18 |
| Riddell | mhb: kdesu is indeed complex. it also ultimately just parses the output of sudo (or su) and hopes it won't change too | 11:18 |
| Riddell | it's split between kdebase and kdelibs | 11:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: me and RadiantFire are creating a new backend for kdesu, called SudoProcess, which is something like a SuProcess, but with all the stub stuff out | 11:19 |
| === pygi has some problems with this k3b | ||
| mhb | Riddell: and optimized for sudo | 11:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: to solve which problem? | 11:19 |
| mhb | Riddell: to solve the problem of having two tools for one task | 11:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: two frontends, etc. | 11:20 |
| Riddell | pygi: I've not touched k3b in a while, you may be better asking one of the more recent maintainers (or at least someone who isn't suffering from toothache and a swolen face) | 11:20 |
| pygi | Riddell, that would be tonio and sealne, both not here. It's all too messy as is right now | 11:21 |
| === pygi didn't knew that somebody made k3b such as-is | ||
| pygi | Riddell, I can update to 1.0.2, and create new package for later if you agree? | 11:21 |
| pygi | One which'll be easier to maintain | 11:21 |
| pygi | so you get what you wanted, and I get a way to provide you with a better k3b in the future | 11:22 |
| Riddell | mhb: which two frontends? | 11:23 |
| mhb | Riddell: kdesu, kdesudo | 11:23 |
| Riddell | pygi: later is fine | 11:23 |
| Riddell | mhb: the only problem with kdesu is that it starts sudo to check if it really needs a password, then it starts it again to enter the password | 11:24 |
| Riddell | .. | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | doesnt kdesudo link to kdesu as gtksu and gtksudo does? | 11:24 |
| pygi | Riddell, no, no .. you didn't understand. You'll get the 1.0.2 package as-is right now, and later I'll create a k3b package from scratch | 11:24 |
| pygi | which will be easier to maintain | 11:25 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm | 11:25 |
| Riddell | mhb: since sudo remembers passwords for a given pty it never remembers the password for the first pty so on the first start it always things it needs a password | 11:25 |
| pygi | problem is it will diverge from debian a lot, but ... | 11:25 |
| Riddell | mhb: best fix is just to fix it so it only starts sudo once (although it's non trivial as I remember, else I'd have done it ages ago) | 11:25 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm | 11:26 |
| Riddell | pygi: oh, ok | 11:26 |
| pygi | Riddell, you tell me what do to, and if it's ok with you | 11:26 |
| mhb | Riddell: yeah, probably | 11:26 |
| mhb | Riddell: we can probably solve this | 11:26 |
| gnomefreak | gksudo and gksu sorry :( | 11:26 |
| pygi | Riddell, I should probably mail sealne and tonio before doing so or something? | 11:26 |
| Riddell | pygi: yeah, good idea | 11:26 |
| pygi | k, then update will wait after all | 11:27 |
| pygi | Riddell, you know sealne's LP id perhaps? | 11:28 |
| pygi | (sorry for bothering too much, just wanna do the required work) | 11:28 |
| Riddell | pygi: dunno, he's kenny duffus in real life | 11:29 |
| Riddell | kenny@kde.org | 11:29 |
| pygi | Riddell, right, thanks | 11:30 |
| pygi | Riddell, mail sent | 11:42 |
| pygi | Arby, a bit harder then we thought, he? :) | 11:43 |
| Arby | pygi: if it was easy it would be done already :) | 11:44 |
| Arby | today has been ... educational | 11:45 |
| Arby | but worthwhile | 11:45 |
| pygi | oh well, as long as we fix the stuff somewhere in the future | 11:46 |
| pygi | I want not only solution for now, but for the future as well | 11:46 |
| Arby | k3b is still healthier than it was 48 hours ago :) | 11:46 |
| pygi | ofcourse | 11:46 |
| Arby | at least we know what needs doing now :) | 11:47 |
| pygi | cca. 20 bugs closed is impressive | 11:47 |
| Arby | you must have closed a lot yesterday | 11:47 |
| Arby | I only actually closed 3 today | 11:47 |
| pygi | Arby, yup, closed a lot :) | 11:58 |
| Arby | pygi: great work :) bugs-- | 11:58 |
| Arby | right, I'm off for the night | 11:59 |
| Arby | next installment of Arby's adventures in kubuntu tomorrow | 12:00 |
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