=== |TheInfinity| [n=TheInfin@p508F1927.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _TheInfinity_ [n=TheInfin@p508F01C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-094.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-094.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db443a5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:01] hmm, k3b 1.0.2 just came out, any chance of feisty packages (in -backports maybe)? [01:08] stdin: if someone packages it and tests it [01:09] hmm, maybe I should learn how to make a proper .deb :p [01:27] start with the current, make a new .orig, copy across the debian directory, debuild to build === doc_ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:30] hi there [01:30] hi [01:33] hi doc_ === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.110] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F7262F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] Riddell: I gave pitti a ping on the pinentry MIR. Didn't get much in the way of a response. I guess wait and see now... === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-048.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967008.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A73068.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4463d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=robotgee@c-68-62-216-83.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.110] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cynics [n=cynics@123.118.0.94] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim goes to #ubuntu and is shocked my the amount of people [04:49] nosrednaekim: The crowd in #kubuntu is generally less unruly. [04:49] ScottK: heh... whoops.. wrong channel [04:49] very ture [04:49] *true [04:50] Also, the language police would tell it you were shocked by the number of people there, not the amount. [04:50] grammer NAZI's... === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-048.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [04:51] Didn't mean to scare him off... === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1c7e:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shely [n=huahua@60.20.49.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=chatzill@dial-207-254-131-48.dyn.infochan.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor_ [n=sebi@p57AEFBE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@C2bbc.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEFBE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.153.8.93] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-25-239.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:02] pygi: I'd go for a discussion here [11:02] Hobbsee: ^^ [11:02] okay [11:02] if you two don't mind, of course [11:02] just shoot [11:02] okay [11:03] the thing I argue about is the concept [11:03] of changing the regular dialog that k3b shows anyway? :P [11:03] we don't have any pop-up about installing codecs in Kaffeine, because there is no upstream code that enables us to do it [11:04] this one is also about installing codecs [11:04] mhb, you could easily write a patch [11:05] pygi: why thank you :o) unfortunately, I can not, because I don't have neither time nor experience with kaffeine code to patch it [11:05] pygi: that's a side note [11:06] mhb, I was referring to anyone, not you specifically :P [11:06] pygi: what I'd welcome is popping that dialog up only when a user requests encoding/decoding a proprietary encoded media [11:07] well, I thought that's what we're having here? :PP [11:07] pygi: AFAIK, k3b pops-up the dialog on startup [11:07] pygi: at least it did for me [11:07] Hobbsee, ? is that true? [11:08] mhb, but still,the dialog clearly explains what you get and what your options are [11:08] I might be wrong, though [11:08] not in my extremely limited k3b experience. [11:12] pygi: oh yes, it's on startup [11:12] o well [11:12] pygi: I agree the current dialog is not very helpful [11:13] what I disagree with is that k3b is useless without the codec [11:13] mhb, it's not useless [11:13] the dialog will be precise and show correct info, don't worry [11:14] a pop-up on startup is a way to inform a user about a thing he necessarily needs to know before he starts using the app [11:14] and this is not the case, IMHO [11:15] this is the upstream problem, not ours really. We'll just inform the user of choices. [11:15] well, the distribution of proprietary codecs is more or less our problem [11:16] ineded [11:16] well, we won't distribute those [11:16] I think the policy in Ubuntu is "offer installing them when the user needs them" [11:16] yes, I know [11:16] and that's what we should stick to [11:16] but I have no idea how much patching would that require [11:16] upstream should be notified that it should move the dialog to a more appropriate place [11:16] mail Trueg and tell him about the reasoning? [11:17] I probably will do that. He also might disagree with our policy and might want to keep his - "once a part of k3b is missing, report it to the user" [11:18] true, but ... [11:18] it's really more sane to display the dialog when user requires the functionality [11:18] mhb, please keep me informed [11:18] pygi: don't worry, I will [11:19] pygi: since we're on the subject, is that also true of the 'cdrecord will be run without root privileges' message at startup (i.e. it's an upstream thing) [11:19] Arby, hm? wodim is ran without root privileges AFAIK [11:20] Arby, what do you mean? [11:20] pygi: yes, but the message at startup imlies something needs to be done but doesn't say what [11:20] http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7506kdialogwx8.png [11:20] that message [11:20] image doesn't exist? :P [11:20] heh [11:20] oops [11:20] http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7506/kdialogwx8.png [11:21] missing / [11:21] should work now [11:21] yup, it works [11:21] big red warning at first start up [11:21] ah, k3b will always report that since joerg requires cdrecord to be run as root [11:22] implies I need to configure something but doesn't tell me anything about how [11:22] the description should be changed [11:22] yes [11:22] Arby, file a bug [11:22] remove the SUSE references and add Ubuntu help [11:22] as long I know it is a bug then I will [11:23] Arby, but IMHO we shouldn't put suid or run wodim as root [11:23] that's part of why wodim is there anyway :P [11:23] pygi: I have no idea about the technical end [11:23] I do :) [11:23] I'm just saying it's a bad message :) [11:23] true, but we can't get a better one === Czessi-m [n=czessi@tmo-106-1.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:23] or put "Solution: Just ignore it :P" [11:24] fine for me, not so great for first time user :) [11:24] but I agree it's hard to do much about it [11:25] oh well, I'll file a bug [11:25] pygi: we can get a better message [11:25] Arby, and what should I do with it? [11:26] pygi: I don't know, that's why I'm asking you, you were the one who said file a bug [11:27] Arby: file a bug, post a link here. Suggest a better message in that bugreport. [11:27] Arby, yea, but we can't do anything about it, and I've got no idea on what it should state [11:27] mhb, but what would that "better message" be? [11:29] pygi: "it is highly recommended to run k3b with admin privileges. To solve this, add your user to the appropriate group in the User Management tool in System Settings. [11:30] or if the solution is different, post a different solution. I don't get that message here, so I presumed a group is all it takes. === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.97.219] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:30] mhb, but it's not recommended :P [11:30] I'm beginning to wish I'd never asked :) [11:31] pygi: it is "highly" recommended, that's what the first message said [11:31] Arby: is that a bad solution? Or my bad English? [11:31] mhb, well, the message is wrong :P [11:31] (at least for ubuntu) [11:31] mhb: nothing wrong with your english [11:31] where cdrkit people claim that wodim doesn't need to be ran with root privileges [11:31] just two people giving me different answers [11:32] and now I don't know what the 'right' thing to do is [11:33] Arby: both saying "file a bug", right? :o) [11:33] mhb, I say no bug :P [11:33] I rest my case :) [11:33] haha :) === _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:34] I'm not the expert here, you two decide and tell me what you want :P [11:40] Arby: okay, you and me think you should file a bug [11:40] agreed [11:40] but it's going to land on pygi's to do list and he says no [11:40] Arby: do that, it could get rejected but the information won't get lost [11:41] mhb: fair enough, will do [11:41] Arby: more people are able to write patches of this "minitude" :o) [11:42] mhb, it's not about writing the patch, that isn't the problem [11:42] we're talking more technical discussion here :P [11:42] pygi: of course === pygi should just remove cdrecord/wodim support from k3b :P [11:44] pygi: if I file the bug is it going to come to you anyway? [11:44] Arby, sure [11:44] in which case lets miss out launchpad and you make the call. [11:45] pygi: what do you think is best? [11:45] what about this ... I go to lunch, and when I'm back we discuss? :P [11:45] no bug ? [11:45] fine with me :) [11:45] great, thanks :P === mhb is for bug, though [11:46] you learn about the reasons of cdrkit/wodim existance, and differences with wodim vs. cdrecord :) [11:46] pygi: could be we're the only ones who will be interested in it [11:46] mhb, doesn't matter, two is two ... so it matters :) [11:46] ahem, 3 [11:46] :) [11:46] ok, ok, 3 :P [11:46] but who's the third? [11:46] pygi: it might matter in the future [11:46] you, mhb and me ? [11:47] you can't count me :P [11:47] oh OK it is 2 then :) [11:47] pygi: say somebody posts the same one, or a similar one [11:47] mhb, lunch first pls? :) I'm late already :P [11:47] anyway, food now, discussion later [11:47] :) [11:48] okay, enjoy it! [11:48] thanks, yay :) [11:48] perhaps I'll think better when I eat :P === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F7262F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F70C28.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee points to http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/ for anyone interested - top 2 entries [12:32] no wonder i'm going insane... [12:37] Hobbsee, :P [12:37] mhb, Arby : back [12:38] hi pygi, hope lunch was good :) [12:38] kindof, always the same stuff :p [12:38] been thinking while you were away [12:38] and what? :) [12:38] are you saying that wodim/cdrecord never needs to be run as root now? [12:39] in which case the message would be pointless [12:40] wodim doesn't need to be run as root [12:40] that's correct [12:40] OK, so in fact the message doesn't need to be there at all? [12:40] (I have no idea whetever wodim folks actually fixed that, or just forcefully removed the need for root) [12:40] Arby, for ubuntu, that's the case, yes [12:41] but not for upstream? === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1cf3:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] i.e. does wodim in debian need root? [12:41] no, wodim doesn't need root anywhere [12:42] right, so how hard would it be to patch k3b to suppress that message [12:42] and are there any good reasons not to do that? [12:42] no idea, shouldn't be too hard [12:42] mhb, wake up ^_^ [12:42] Hobbsee, also ^_^ [12:43] because the current message implies there is some critical action required [12:43] when in fact it seems to be totally redundant [12:44] looks like just something that no-one got around to cleaning up yet [12:44] well, usually folks don't clean up stuff like that [12:45] in reality nobody bothers about details [12:46] hmm, honestly I find that sort of message disturbing as a user [12:46] I understand [12:46] it implies that there is something wrong that I don't understand [12:46] which means I (wrongly) blame every subsequent problem on that thing [12:46] haha [12:47] which means I don't report geuine issues because I assume it's something I've done wrong [12:47] *genuine [12:47] I understand [12:48] pygi: back [12:48] mhb, wb [12:48] so the question remains, what, if anything, is the best thing to do? [12:48] I could remove the message, shouldn't be too big of a problem [12:49] IMHO that would be best [12:49] Arby, did you mail trueg? [12:49] or was it mhb who said he'll do that :P [12:49] wasn't me [12:49] pygi: me [12:50] pygi: no, net yet [12:50] not [12:50] pygi: do you want me to file a bug or shall I leave it with you? [12:51] Arby, file a bug pls, I can't track everything in my head, sorry [12:51] Arby, assign it to me [12:51] and post a link here, I'll make Hobbsee milestone the bug [12:51] pygi: OK will do, biab [12:52] Hobbsee, if we do a lot of k3b changes, we'd probably want to stop blacklist sync from debian [12:55] pygi: if you make changes, it automatically doesnt get synced. [12:56] Hobbsee, right, it goes to that merge thingy :) === Hobbsee inst really paying attention ton anything [12:56] yeah [12:56] Hobbsee, don't worry about it, you just sit back and relax [12:56] heh [12:56] i should study [12:56] same, but heh [01:02] Hobbsee, 4 exams yay :( [01:02] :( [01:03] pygi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/121964 [01:03] Launchpad bug 121964 in k3b "Gutsy: k3b has misleading system config dialog" [Undecided,New] [01:03] ^^that OK for you [01:03] pygi: why milestone all these bugs, if you're just goign to go and work in a group on them? [01:03] it's just a way of work control [01:04] Hobbsee, then don't milestone, doesn't matter :P [01:04] heh [01:04] ;) [01:04] bug 121964 [01:04] assigned to me [01:05] :) [01:05] Launchpad bug 121964 in k3b "Gutsy: k3b has misleading system config dialog" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121964 [01:05] well I hope I've assigned it to the right person [01:05] or someone is going to be confused [01:06] I have assigned it :p [01:06] you didn't assign it at all :P [01:06] I went back and did it, must have crossed in the ether, nevermind :) [01:07] oh well :P [01:07] pygi: thanks very much :) [01:07] Arby, mhb : thank you :) [01:08] for gutsy you shall have it fixed [01:08] right need to go squash more bugs to compensate for the new one :) [01:08] \o/ hooray [01:08] hehe :) === Arby hugs pygi [01:08] Arby, do squash k3b bugs pls [01:08] (test, and stuff :P) [01:08] I'll try, I find it quite hard to understand [01:09] happy to test if you point me in the right direction [01:09] k, sure :P [01:09] you have gutsy or what? :P [01:10] yes [01:10] almost all this bugs need a test of reproducability on gutsy: [01:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/ [01:10] :P [01:11] OK, here goes then :) === Arby fetches coffee and blank CDs [01:12] Arby, you do have rw mediums, right? :P [01:12] of course [01:13] a spindle full [01:13] great === pygi has like 250 of those :P [01:13] mix of dvd+rw, dvd-rw and cd-rw [01:13] testbox which has gutsy on doesn't have DVD writer unfortunately [01:14] doesn't matter [01:16] Arby, some bugs don't even need burning, just rather seeying if k3b can find stuff [01:16] like in bug #45026 [01:16] Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45026 [01:17] pygi: OK I'll get started then [01:19] Arby, great === |TheInfinity| [n=TheInfin@p508F06DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E5A4.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] pygi: how do I find out what the supported burn speed(s) of a CD writer are? === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-107.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] pygi: also I think I found a new one in the process, bug 121980, sorry :) [02:41] Launchpad bug 121980 in k3b "Gutsy: k3b hangs at 'Verifying written data'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121980 === marseillai_ [n=marseill@AMarseille-156-1-23-142.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:44] Arby, a lot of the same bug reported [02:45] really, the others I looked at looked different [02:45] in the sense that mine doesn't throw any error message [02:45] the others do [02:45] right, but still the same problem :P [02:46] if you say so, best find something to dupe it against then :) [02:46] nah, don't worry [02:46] just test stuff =) [02:47] pygi: by the way, don't you want to write sebastian (of k3b) about the dialog? [02:47] pygi: you seem to be active with k3b [02:48] mhb, I'm active with anything cd-recording wise =) === Hobbsee closes eyes and waves the magic wand and hopes that that k3b bug about the restricted stuff gets fixed soon. [02:49] pygi: following our earlier discussion bug 37423 can also be marked fixed? [02:49] Launchpad bug 37423 in k3b "says i do not have permission to use cdrecord" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37423 [02:49] the bug comments are getting painful [02:49] Hobbsee, I saw hehe :) [02:50] pygi: since k3b does actually work when not root in gutsy [02:50] Arby, yea, let's leave it open for a couple more days [02:50] OK [02:50] I'll leave a comment anyway [02:50] Arby, kk, thanks [02:50] Hobbsee, people are just ... well ... [02:51] you know what I mean :) [02:51] pygi: twice as great [02:51] mhb, you're free to mail tho :P [02:51] it'll take some time before he responds anyway :P [02:52] pygi: people are people. i work in retail === Hobbsee suggests just removing all the people. [02:53] Hobbsee, that can be arranged [02:53] thus fixing bug#1 in one go, since there'd only be linux devs left :D [02:53] but it will not be install auto-magically [02:53] pygi: *grin* [02:53] s/install/installed [02:53] Arby: *more grin* [02:54] right need to pop out for a bit [02:54] more k3b later [02:54] k, great =) === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:16] Hobbsee, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2903841&posted=1#post2903841 [03:17] pygi: cool [03:19] Hobbsee, it's not cool :P It means there are severe problems in earlier releases [03:19] (not that we didn't knew that tho :P) [03:19] well.....true === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-107.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:21] Hobbsee, I see more bashing on you :-/ [03:22] pygi: woo! [03:22] pygi: undupe them all, if that seems more sane, and let them sit [03:22] Hobbsee, I won't do anything [03:22] and you should just sit and ignore the bashes as well [03:23] I can just comment, and will do so [03:27] pygi: seems like male egos out in full force [03:27] Hobbsee, ;) [03:27] OMG but i reported the bug!!!! [03:28] Hobbsee, which one? :P [03:28] the ones who are whinging [03:28] I know you reported it :P [03:28] you didn't knew that? :P [03:29] no - the guys are saying that. that was supposed to be quoted, sorry [03:30] ah [03:30] k :) [03:31] Hobbsee, I won't use that patch btw [03:31] we need another wording, and a different style [03:32] pygi: yeah, didnt think so [03:32] and ofcourse the mention of k-r-e [03:34] what bashing? [03:34] btw Hobbsee++ for being calm ^_^ [03:34] pygi: ^^ [03:35] mhb, nothing important, me and Hobbsee decided it's better to file a new bug and make all other duplicates, and people are bashing :P [03:36] Hobbsee: would you have time to revu some packages? [03:36] marseillai_, fire away. What ya need checked? [03:38] Hobbsee, btw. what exactly does k-r-e consists of? === pygi looks it up [03:39] aha! [04:16] ScottK: he'll be busy with release stuff this week, it'll be next week at the earliest I guess [04:16] hiya Riddell! [04:17] Riddell: we have a bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121456 [04:17] Launchpad bug 121456 in adept "Adept couldn't open APT database" [Critical,Confirmed] [04:17] morning [04:17] a but in kubuntu? I don't believe it [04:18] Riddell: heeh [04:18] *hehe [04:18] Riddell: a critical one, in fact, imo [04:18] yes, I agree [04:18] it needs mvo to look at it really [04:18] right [04:19] poor mvo [04:20] Riddell, we closed 15 bugs in kubuntu in two days ... so I'd say yes, a bug in kubuntu :P === Arby_ [n=richard@82.153.8.93] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:22] I bother him enough with gdebi-kde and now this :o) [04:22] mhb, that's a soc project [04:23] pygi: yes [04:23] pygi: not his, though [04:23] you're that soc student or what? xd [04:23] xD [04:23] LOL, I know :P [04:24] pygi: how do you know about that soc project? [04:24] mhb, because I looked over all soc projects? xD [04:24] pygi: cool, just wondered [04:25] :) === Arby__ [n=richard@82.153.8.93] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby__ is now known as Arby [04:34] Riddell: I still have to talk to seb128 about pgp config stuff, so there's no great rush on pinentry just yet. I'll see if I can get that done if he has a slack moment during the week. [04:55] Hobbsee, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2904273#post2904273 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] pygi: quick look at bug 49783, any more info I can add for you? [05:04] Launchpad bug 49783 in k3b "cannot burn mixed cd" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49783 === pygi looks [05:05] Arby, that should be enough, thank you [05:05] OK I'll change status then [05:06] yup, confirmed [05:06] pygi: do you want it assigned to you [05:06] Arby: Don't change it to Triaged [05:06] Arby, nop, no assigning. [05:06] just change to confirmed [05:06] OK [05:07] After we get series of those bugs, I'll contact trueg [05:07] he gotta fix those bug upstream [05:08] OK I see, onwards then :) [05:09] pygi: ask him about that notification thing as well, please [05:10] mhb, ah, ok [05:10] pygi: if it's possible to make it show in a more appropriate place [05:10] pygi: i.e. when a prop. codec is about to be used [05:11] I will, I will === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.49.127] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N952P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:03] Arby, thanks for closing bug [06:03] :) [06:04] always a pleasure :) [06:05] pygi: I beleive bug 93754 could also be closed? [06:05] Launchpad bug 93754 in k3b "k3b reports problems with cdrecord" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93754 [06:05] *believe === pygi looks [06:06] Arby, yup, close [06:06] there are number of same bugs as well reported [06:06] and when you've looked there bug 88934 also looks good [06:06] Launchpad bug 88934 in k3b "k3b Crashes on "Extract and Encode Audio Tracks"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88934 [06:07] just waiting for test to complete but looks fixed so far [06:07] I'll close the first one [06:08] report on bug 88934 when you're done [06:08] Launchpad bug 88934 in k3b "k3b Crashes on "Extract and Encode Audio Tracks"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88934 [06:08] if the test is successful am I good to close it? [06:08] yup === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:15] pygi: could you look at bug 103075 also, seems to be some sort of /dev problem but it's beyond my understanding? [06:15] Launchpad bug 103075 in k3b "Can't burn a cd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103075 [06:16] Arby, I choose to ignore that bug :p [06:16] fair enough [06:16] :) === Arby looks the other way [06:16] no idea what's he talking about, and the bug is too big for me to read :P [06:17] Arby, what happened with 88934 ? [06:18] I wish I'd ripped a shorter CD :P [06:18] haha [06:18] just this second successfully completed, closing :) [06:18] yay, great [06:19] Arby, state that it's fixed, and resolve as fix released [06:20] done [06:20] thnka [06:20] thanks [06:20] that's like 20 bugs down in two days for k3b [06:20] yay [06:20] today has been a good day :) [06:21] I feel like I did some good today [06:21] hehe :) [06:21] pygi: thanks for all your help [06:21] Arby, no, thanks for your help =) [06:21] not finished yet though [06:21] Arby, would you like to learn how to package software? I'm willing to help ^_^ [06:22] at some point yes, but not today :) [06:22] ofcourse not :p [06:22] I'm beginning to feel a little dazed :) [06:23] :P === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cyberg7358 [n=cyberg73@cpe-72-184-210-189.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cyberg7358 [n=cyberg73@cpe-72-184-210-189.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === mbiebl [n=michael@e180064078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Rumo_ [n=Rumo@dslb-084-056-075-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgee1 [n=robotgee@c-68-62-216-83.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180064078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] anyone want to update k3b for new release? [07:48] Riddell, I do [07:48] Riddell, nobody should touch k3b except me :p [07:48] pygi: you're the man then :) [07:48] Nightrose: story published [07:48] thx Riddell [07:49] Riddell, when do we need that? [07:50] Riddell, i.e. how urgent? :) [07:50] pygi: no urgency from my side [07:50] Riddell, doki, just leave the task to me then :) [07:50] although it would be another nice thing for tribe 2, so I guess tomorrow would be cool [07:51] but not vital [07:51] right, you'll get it then [07:51] Riddell, you'll get it tomorrow === ryanakca pokes debian NEW [07:52] ryanakca: what for? [07:53] aoeui === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:56] Riddell, you're making me work ... evil you :p [07:57] pygi: you going to want that testing $later? [07:58] Arby, explain? [07:58] ah, sure [07:58] the dollar sign made me confused =) [07:59] $ == for some unspecified value of later than now :) [07:59] hehe [07:59] well, poke me if you do [08:00] help is always welcome ;) [08:00] sure [08:01] Riddell, I need to write a couple of patches as well at the same time then [08:01] so it's a good time === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-017-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucas-r2d2 [n=lucas@dslb-084-056-063-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucas-r2d2 [n=lucas@dslb-084-056-063-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-122.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:11] http://scourgeweb.org/show_image.php?id=51 [08:11] 3 kubuntu users, me and the twins of course, 1 ubuntu user, and 1 xubuntu user, pimping *buntu at Barcamp Chicago style [08:15] Barcamp? [08:15] whats this? where are you guys? [08:15] Chicago [08:15] Barcamp is an opensource event that happens in cities all over the US (I thought the world, maybe I am wrong) [08:16] everyone comes together for talks, camping out, partying, hacking, and then some [08:17] ah.. ok [08:19] nixternal: blog blog! [08:19] working on it now :) [08:19] so... made any kubuntu converts? [08:20] actually, there are already quite a few Kubuntu users that I found [08:20] most were using Slackware and Debian up until Feisty, and have since switched to Kubuntu === pygi thinks everyone should switch to some sane distro === pygi hides [08:21] why hide? are you saying that kubutnu isn't sane? [08:22] nixternal: cool === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |TheInfinity| [n=TheInfin@p508F06DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-122.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-122.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-122.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === sebbar [n=sebbar@p57B3DA25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:29] hi, I think maxima-share should be a dependency of maxima... should I file a bug about this or something? [09:32] NOTABUG. [09:32] crimsun@Box.pts/2.~ apt-cache show maxima|grep ^Rec [09:32] Recommends: maxima-share, gv [09:32] crimsun@Box.pts/2.~ apt-cache show maxima-share|grep ^Dep [09:32] Depends: maxima (>= 5.12.0-1ubuntu1) [09:32] debian/control clearly is written correctly in those respects. [09:33] you must avoid introducing dependency loops. [09:33] if you make maxima-share a Depends of maxima, you introduce a loop. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:39] crimsun: sorry I'm a bit of a noob user but you're saying that there's no way to avoid that a user installs maxima, chooses a function from the menu (which is included only in maxima-share) and gets an error message which gives him no clue that he has to install maxima-share in order to install that function? [09:40] sebbar: aptitude and apt-get both honor Recommends by default [09:40] it is Very Bad Packaging to introduce a Depends loop, as it does very bad things on {,dist-}upgrade [09:41] crimsun: but adept doesn't? === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4463d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:41] sebbar: if it doesn't, please file a bug against the adept source package. [09:41] it is _not_ a bug in the maxima source package. [09:42] crimsun: I see thanks [09:44] sebbar: you are correct however, I just checked, adept doesn't honour recommends [09:45] Arby is awake :-D [09:46] pygi: well it's only 8:45 :P [09:46] Arby, PM, or AM? :P [09:46] pygi: PM [09:46] right, one hour ahead of you then [09:46] Riddell, around? [09:47] If I get an update now (i.e. in an hour) could you upload? [09:47] sebbar: give us a link when you've filed the bug and I can confirm it [09:47] Arby, I'll work on updating k3b soon [09:47] pygi: OK, I'm not going anywhere :) === apokryphos [i=apokryph@amp.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] Arby: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/122029 no clue if it's a decent bug report, it's my first one hehe [09:57] Launchpad bug 122029 in adept "adept doesn't honour recommends" [Undecided,New] [09:57] sebbar: looking, we all start somewhere :) [09:59] sebbar: OK it needs a lot more detail, let me comment and then you'll see. [09:59] ok cool :) === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:07] sebbar: how important is maxima-share to the functionality of maxima? [10:10] Arby: I only know that the function to simplify trigonometric expressions (which is quite basic I'd say) is in maxima-share [10:10] maxima is fairly useless without maxima-share [10:10] OK so maxima would be fairly inhibited without it [10:11] right so adept really needs to honour recommends [10:11] sebbar: have a look at bug 122029 now [10:11] Launchpad bug 122029 in adept "adept doesn't honour recommends" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122029 [10:12] actually I should probably have set that to 'Confirmed' [10:14] great! one more thing I learned today [10:15] sebbar: for future reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs might be useful [10:15] Arby: I bookmarked that :) [10:16] manchicken_ , Riddell: is it known that adept doesn't honour recommends and is there a reason for this? [10:16] other than 'no-one implemented it yet' :) === mbiebl [n=michael@e180064078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] ok, I'm seriously confused [10:31] why did StevenK uploaded new k3b package 7 hours ago o.O === pygi looks up the changelog [10:33] ah, some transition stuff [10:33] yes, libflac++6 [10:35] Arby, you sure bug #45026 is still reproducable? [10:35] Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45026 [10:35] there seems to be a patch for that [10:36] looking [10:37] Arby, cdrecord suid stuff also seems patched already? [10:37] pygi: which bit, normalize or emovix? [10:37] Arby, normalize [10:38] pygi: what's there is definitely what I saw. [10:38] normalize isn't found unless you specify the search path [10:38] Arby, the patch replaces normalize with normalize-audio [10:38] which is sane [10:39] and should fix the problem [10:39] there's also a patch for cdrecord & stuff [10:40] pygi: the comments following the patch say that you still need to make the symlink [10:41] I'm confused [10:41] Arby, no, no [10:41] the patch is already in a package [10:41] sane one (not the one on the bug) [10:42] hmm, give me 5 minutes to check this, it might be my bad [10:44] Arby, it shouldn't display that cdrecord thing as well anymore [10:45] which one, the emovix thing? [10:48] pygi: which cdrecord thing, the emovix dependency? [10:49] Arby, no, the splash arguing that cdrecord should be run as root [10:50] oh that, well it was doing it this morning until I checked the box to hide it [10:50] haven't checked since, one thing at a time [10:54] k, I'm looking ito solving normalize stuff === apachelogger is now known as apacherose [11:00] Arby: yes, it probably just needs an updated dpkgthing.cc files [11:00] pygi: pong [11:01] Riddell: Ok thanks [11:01] Riddell, this k3b patches are full of weird stuff [11:01] they are mostly *not* working or something [11:01] pygi: I've added screenshots to bug 45026 [11:01] Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45026 [11:01] actually adding the search path within k3b doesn't work [11:02] let me test the symlink method [11:02] ah [11:06] pygi: hmm, symlinking isn't working either for me [11:06] Arby, I think I got an idea how to fix it [11:06] is there something odd here or is it me [11:07] there's something odd [11:07] but I think I got it [11:07] well that's a relief :) [11:12] Riddell: ping [11:13] Arby, emovix I wont look today tho [11:13] hi mhb [11:13] hi Riddell [11:13] pygi: fair enough that seems more awkward [11:13] remember your code in su.cpp ? [11:13] Arby, I'm looking into creating a couple patches anyway [11:14] mhb: mm hmm [11:14] it's quite complicated, at least it's hard for me to understand [11:14] pygi: I'll check the the splash message as well if I can find how to turn it back on [11:14] Arby, sure, thanks [11:15] I'd like to find out how you were able to find out when sudo reports an error message about a wrong password [11:16] pygi: cdrecord message does still display at k3b start up. [11:17] Riddell: I'm sure Tonio won't be happy about the stuff I say now, but kdesudo has a pretty bad backend, which works by counting that the descriptions won't change [11:17] counting on the fact that [11:17] Arby, I'll see what I can do [11:17] but meh, that means that patch is useless as well [11:17] and it shouldn't be [11:17] mhb: description of what? [11:17] pygi: some funky patching going on? [11:17] Arby, yes [11:18] oh joy :) [11:18] Riddell: well, stuff like "Sorry, try again." [11:18] Riddell: the messages sudo states [11:18] mhb: kdesu is indeed complex. it also ultimately just parses the output of sudo (or su) and hopes it won't change too [11:18] it's split between kdebase and kdelibs [11:19] Riddell: me and RadiantFire are creating a new backend for kdesu, called SudoProcess, which is something like a SuProcess, but with all the stub stuff out === pygi has some problems with this k3b [11:19] Riddell: and optimized for sudo [11:19] mhb: to solve which problem? [11:20] Riddell: to solve the problem of having two tools for one task [11:20] Riddell: two frontends, etc. [11:20] pygi: I've not touched k3b in a while, you may be better asking one of the more recent maintainers (or at least someone who isn't suffering from toothache and a swolen face) [11:21] Riddell, that would be tonio and sealne, both not here. It's all too messy as is right now === pygi didn't knew that somebody made k3b such as-is [11:21] Riddell, I can update to 1.0.2, and create new package for later if you agree? [11:21] One which'll be easier to maintain [11:22] so you get what you wanted, and I get a way to provide you with a better k3b in the future [11:23] mhb: which two frontends? [11:23] Riddell: kdesu, kdesudo [11:23] pygi: later is fine [11:24] mhb: the only problem with kdesu is that it starts sudo to check if it really needs a password, then it starts it again to enter the password [11:24] .. [11:24] doesnt kdesudo link to kdesu as gtksu and gtksudo does? [11:24] Riddell, no, no .. you didn't understand. You'll get the 1.0.2 package as-is right now, and later I'll create a k3b package from scratch [11:25] which will be easier to maintain [11:25] Riddell: hmm [11:25] mhb: since sudo remembers passwords for a given pty it never remembers the password for the first pty so on the first start it always things it needs a password [11:25] problem is it will diverge from debian a lot, but ... [11:25] mhb: best fix is just to fix it so it only starts sudo once (although it's non trivial as I remember, else I'd have done it ages ago) [11:26] Riddell: hmm [11:26] pygi: oh, ok [11:26] Riddell, you tell me what do to, and if it's ok with you [11:26] Riddell: yeah, probably [11:26] Riddell: we can probably solve this [11:26] gksudo and gksu sorry :( [11:26] Riddell, I should probably mail sealne and tonio before doing so or something? [11:26] pygi: yeah, good idea [11:27] k, then update will wait after all [11:28] Riddell, you know sealne's LP id perhaps? [11:28] (sorry for bothering too much, just wanna do the required work) [11:29] pygi: dunno, he's kenny duffus in real life [11:29] kenny@kde.org [11:30] Riddell, right, thanks [11:42] Riddell, mail sent [11:43] Arby, a bit harder then we thought, he? :) [11:44] pygi: if it was easy it would be done already :) [11:45] today has been ... educational [11:45] but worthwhile [11:46] oh well, as long as we fix the stuff somewhere in the future [11:46] I want not only solution for now, but for the future as well [11:46] k3b is still healthier than it was 48 hours ago :) [11:46] ofcourse [11:47] at least we know what needs doing now :) [11:47] cca. 20 bugs closed is impressive [11:47] you must have closed a lot yesterday [11:47] I only actually closed 3 today [11:58] Arby, yup, closed a lot :) [11:58] pygi: great work :) bugs-- [11:59] right, I'm off for the night [12:00] next installment of Arby's adventures in kubuntu tomorrow === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel