[01:06] <KurtKraut> I'd like to install Gutsy in another partition. How can I do that withou loosing the current GRUB config, in order to boot Vista or Feisty ?
[01:13] <tormod> KurtKraut: install the Gutsy grub to the gutsy partition, and not to MBR. Then chainload this one from the old grub (on MBR).
[01:13] <KurtKraut> tormod, this is possible to do with the Alternate Install CD ?
[01:14] <tormod> KurtKraut: I would think so. You can do it with the Desktop installer at least.
[04:14] <invisiblepinkuni> what will the "FREE" version of ubuntu (gnewsense) be called? and where can I find more information about it?
[04:27] <micahcowan> Anyone know how to get the last Gutsy tribe to run under qemu?
[04:29] <micahcowan> Nice nick, \x6e\x65\x72\x64 ...and self-proving, too! :)
[04:35] <xsacha> hey.. when i first started gutsy, i started up amarok and played some mp3s -- it worked straight away without installing anything extra? now, 2 days later it suddenly wont play mp3s anymore. so i decided to install w32codecs. it still doesnt play mp3s
[04:36] <crdlb> xsacha, you need libmad something
[04:36] <xsacha> xmms-mad?
[04:37] <crdlb> libmad0 and you would need xmms-mad to make xmms play mp3s
[04:37] <crdlb> and there's a gstreamer plugin
[04:38] <crdlb> if you're using xine, you should have libxine-extracodecs installed
[04:38] <xsacha> yeah got that installed (and amarok does use xine, yes)
[04:38] <invisiblepinkuni> micahcowan: lol, great nick :) \x6e\x65\x72\x64
[04:39] <invisiblepinkuni> i had to go to the ascii table to find out
[04:39] <micahcowan> Strangely enough, I've recently spent some time memorizing the ASCII code table :)
[04:39] <xsacha> crdlb: any ideas?
[04:40] <invisiblepinkuni> i remember memorizing A,Z, a, z, 0, 9 a long time ago...
[04:41] <micahcowan> Yeah, for alphabetic chars I mostly just know where the boundaries are; A, O, P, Z...
[04:44] <xsacha> grr mp3 not working is known bug for gutsy?
[04:47] <micahcowan> invisiblepinkuni: \x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d :)
[04:47] <micahcowan> Try that as an argument to printf.
[04:50] <invisiblepinkuni> micahcowan: how do I do it? :(
[04:52] <micahcowan> Just use the printf(1) command: "printf '\x1b\x5b...'"... you should probably tack on \x0a at the end of it, too :)
[04:54] <invisiblepinkuni> micahcowan: you narcissist
[04:54] <invisiblepinkuni> :)
[04:54] <micahcowan> :)
[04:56] <xsacha>  Micah
[04:58] <micahcowan> xsacha, yeah... should also be blue, in ansi-color-capable terminals.
[04:58] <xsacha> yep
[05:00] <xsacha> printf '\x1b\x5b\x33\6d^Mx3\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'
[05:01] <xsacha> ooops, here:       printf '\x1b\x5b\x33\6d\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'
[05:02] <xsacha> it should move up 2 lines and then print line below that
[05:04] <micahcowan> There was an x missing in \6d, near the beginning.
[05:04] <xsacha> yeah, dont put it there
[05:04] <micahcowan> Well, if I don't, it says " [3 dMicah"
[05:05] <xsacha> the \6d is what makes it jump to top
[05:05] <micahcowan> Sure you don't want \x6d?
[05:05] <xsacha> 100%
[05:05] <xsacha> and use the second one, not the first one, to get rid of [3
[05:05] <micahcowan> \6 isn't a useful control character...
[05:05] <xsacha> sure it is
[05:05] <micahcowan> No, the second one produces the [3.
[05:06] <micahcowan> \6 = \x06
[05:06] <xsacha> not here
[05:07] <xsacha> if it makes you happy:       printf '\x1b\x5b\x33d\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'
[05:07] <micahcowan> \6 is the ACK control.
[05:08] <micahcowan> That works much better.
[05:08] <xsacha> both work on konsole
[05:08] <xsacha> i like this one better:        printf '\x1b\x5bd\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a
[05:08] <xsacha> (note the ' at end)
[05:08] <micahcowan> well, at any rate, it's not ISO 6429
[05:09] <xsacha> it changed my sacha@coco:~$ to Micah@coco:~$      with Micah in blue
[05:11] <xsacha> http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7639/hmm3lp9.png
[05:11] <xsacha> lol
[05:14] <Jordan_U> ubuntu-desktop got removed during my last dist-upgrade and I still can't install it because I can't install xsane or gimp-print, is this a known problem?
[05:14] <xsacha> kubuntu-desktop got removed when i installed mythtv :P
[05:15] <Jordan_U> No, I have pretty much nothing extra installed, I am just running gutsy in a VM to help with testing and out of curiosity
[05:21] <xsacha> ok my mp3 works perfect. but when i try to play a last.fm stream in amarok it says it cant play it coz it doesnt have the right input plugin or something, cant recognise the format
[05:26] <xsacha> ok error seemed to change now for no apparent reason and it's now: Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.       xine parameters:
[05:35] <xsacha> fixed it!!
[05:35] <xsacha> i just got rid of artsd
[06:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[07:06] <shirish> ubotu paste
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[07:25] <Jordan_U> Is xsane not completely merged or is the fact that it depends on an older version of libgimp2.0 a bug?
[07:33] <crimsun> that's bug 121840
[07:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121840 in xsane "xsane needs rebuild for newer libgimp2.0" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121840
[07:34] <crimsun> I'm working on it now; just be patient.
[07:34] <crimsun> Canonical staff generally are not paid to work on Ubuntu during the weekends.
[07:34] <crimsun> (although I'm not staff, so it doesn't apply to me)
[07:41] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Thank you
[07:44] <Takesinn> So whats new in the Gutsy Gibbon?
[07:45] <DanaG> new kernel (dynticks), new gnome-power-manager, broken suspend2ram (for me), new Gnome, and lots of other new versions of things.
[07:46] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html
[07:48] <Takesinn> Any idea when it's going to be released?
[07:48] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, 7.10 :)
[07:48] <RAOF> October
[07:48] <Takesinn> Ah
[07:49] <Takesinn> Cool
[07:49] <Takesinn> So improved performance and graphics, not bad
[07:49] <RAOF> Compiz+fusion plugins by default.
[07:49] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, My favorite feature is the new Xorg improvements upstream
[07:50] <Jordan_U> ^^ and Compiz Fusion of course :)
[07:50] <Takesinn> Care to elaborate on what good it does? :)
[07:50] <Takesinn> I get the Compiz stuff, looks nice
[07:50] <RAOF> Compiz fuzion?  A bunch of really nice looking plugins.
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, Compiz Fusion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
[07:51] <RAOF> Also, scale enhancements.
[07:51] <Takesinn> I got ATi, so not sure if I can use it
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, If you require fglrx you are out of luck ( without the hack that is XGL at least )
[07:52] <Takesinn> I had to disable composite in xorg.conf to get proper 3D accel
[07:52] <Takesinn> Exactly ;)
[07:52] <Takesinn> I should get a new 3D card probably
[07:52] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, Is your card supported by the open source drivers?
[07:52] <Takesinn> So does Ubuntu have it's own gaming section?
[07:52] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, What do you mean?
[07:53] <Takesinn> I have no idea. All I know is I installed some ati drivers by reading ubuntu guide, which got Action Cube running nicely
[07:53] <Takesinn> NVM ^^
[07:54] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, Does your comp by chance also have an intel integrated card?
[07:54] <Takesinn> How do i find out? :P I forgot those dang commands
[07:54] <Takesinn> I got grep down tho
[07:55] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, lspci
[07:55] <Takesinn> Scuse ^^;; Long time since I *nixed
[07:55] <Takesinn> It's like riding a bike tho, you just gotta get into it again
[07:56] <Takesinn> Jordan_U: Jepp, Intel
[07:56] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, And you are sure that is a gfx card and not a network card?
[07:58] <Takesinn> Wait, you mean intel graphics?
[07:58] <DanaG> If you have an AGP add-in video card, it will disable any integrated AGP card.
[07:58] <Takesinn> Naw, it's some cheap ATi knockoff
[07:58] <Takesinn> Radeon x600
[08:01] <PirateHead> It's really great that Ubuntu can import settings and data from a Windows installation during an Ubuntu install. However, I'd like to see that feature implemented with respect to other Linux installs. If I install Ubuntu Gutsy over my old SUSE or Mandriva installation, surely Ubuntu could extract my data from those?
[08:03] <Jordan_U> PirateHead, Yeah, it should, until it does though you can just keep your /home on a separate partition
[08:04] <PirateHead> Jordan_U: is there somebody I can bug to get information on implementing that functionality?
[08:07] <crimsun> Jordan_U: I need you to test a deb for me, please, if you have time.
[08:07] <Jordan_U> crimsun, I do, and I will :)
[08:07] <Jordan_U> PirateHead, I think there is already a bug report about it, if not create one
[08:08] <PirateHead> crimsun: I downloaded the latest kernel binary about a week ago and my sound was fixed. Thanks for helping clear that stuff up. :-)
[08:08] <crimsun> Jordan_U: please try the two debs at www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/
[08:09] <Takesinn> I share your pain
[08:09] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Could you post the link again so I can get it easier from My Gutsy vmware image :)
[08:10] <crimsun> Jordan_U_gutsy: www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/
[08:12] <Jordan_U_gutsy> http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/xsane-common_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_all.deb ?
[08:13] <crimsun> and xsane.
[08:14] <crimsun> xsane_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_i386.deb            100%  280KB 280.5KB/s   00:01
[08:14] <crimsun> xsane-common_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_all.deb      100% 1526KB   1.5MB/s   00:01
[08:14] <crimsun> those two.
[08:14] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Why 2 ?
[08:14] <crimsun> this is, of course, on i386/gutsy.  Obviously a no-go on ppc, sparc, amd64, ia64.
[08:15] <crimsun> because you need them both.
[08:16] <Jordan_U_gutsy> OK, both installed correctly, should I now try to install ubuntu-desktop?
[08:17] <crimsun> sure
[08:17] <crimsun> I want you specifically to use xsane in your VM
[08:17] <crimsun> I'm not going to upload an untested source package change
[08:19] <jussi01> crimsun: if you have a min there is a lad in #ubuntuforums who has a weird soundcard issue. perhaps you could help if you have time?
[08:21] <crimsun> with a stable release or a devel release?
[08:22] <crimsun> there are appropriate channels for both; ask him to ping me in one of them
[08:22] <Jordan_U_gutsy> crimsun: Sorry for my ignorance of vmware but how do I allow it access to usb devices?
[08:22] <crimsun> Jordan_U_gutsy: it's in one of the top menus
[08:22] <crimsun> VM menu, I think?
[08:22] <crimsun> I haven't used VMware in a very long time
[08:23] <Jordan_U_gutsy> In VM -> Removable Devices -> USB I see nothing available
[08:24] <crimsun> windows host?
[08:24] <crimsun> did you safely remove it from the host or whatever?
[08:24] <Jordan_U_gutsy> No, Feisty Host
[08:25] <crimsun> well, does feisty recognise it?
[08:25] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Yes.
[08:26] <Jordan_U_gutsy> I have scanned from it before
[08:28] <crimsun> so does your vmware image recognise it?
[08:30] <Jordan_U_gutsy> No
[08:30] <crimsun> I mean from dmesg or lshal
[08:31] <Jordan_U_gutsy> No
[08:32] <crimsun> then that's a kernel issue
[08:32] <crimsun> try a gutsy chroot instead of a VMware image
[08:33] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Ok, I don't have one currently set up
[08:35] <DanaG> I have Gutsy native, but I don't have a scanner.
[08:35] <DanaG> Tomorrow I can try a camera, or something.
[08:39] <DanaG> Wow, that blinking brightness-changing is annoyinh.
[08:41] <DanaG> Good night (or morning or any other time of day, depending on your time zones).
[08:53] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Xane detected the scanner, scanning now...
[08:54] <Jordan_U> " Failed to start scanner: Error during device IO "
[08:54] <crimsun> is that in the VMware image or in a true gutsy install?
[08:54] <Jordan_U> VMware image, the scan worked the second time though
[08:55] <crimsun> ok, so xsane's not the culprit.
[08:55] <crimsun> thanks, uploaded.
[08:55] <crimsun> fixed debs will be available in 3 hours.
[08:56] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Thank you, I am always willing to test, and I am grateful for your work :)
[08:56] <crimsun> np, thank -you- for testing.
[10:31] <lucasvo> my nm-applet segfaults when I try to connect to a network
[10:31] <lucasvo> what should I attach to a bugreport?
[10:31] <RAOF> The crash log, if possible.  It should be in /var/crash
[10:32] <lucasvo> I only have a networkmanager crashlog
[10:33] <RAOF> Hm.
[10:33] <lucasvo> no I found it
[10:33] <lucasvo> it get's cleaned up after reboot
[10:33] <lucasvo> RAOF: I'll write a bugreport
[10:33] <RAOF> You could always run it under gdb to get a really serious backtrace.
[10:33] <RAOF> Yay!
[10:36] <lucasvo> RAOF: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[10:36] <lucasvo> [Switching to Thread -1225925952 (LWP 6696)] 
[10:36] <lucasvo> 0x0805f94c in ?? ()
[10:36] <RAOF> Oh, this is in gdb?
[10:36] <lucasvo> RAOF: yes
[10:36] <RAOF> lucasvo: Allow me to grab a link to a "getting a good backtrace" howto
[10:37] <lucasvo> RAOF: ok
[10:37] <RAOF> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[10:41] <lucasvo> RAOF: are the debugsymbols in the networkmanager package?
[10:42] <RAOF> Yes, there are.
[10:42] <RAOF> You need to add the ddebs repository, and you'll get -dbgsym packages for every Ubuntu package.
[10:43] <RAOF> lucasvo: Oh, now that I've parsed your question correctly: No, you'll need to get the appropriate -dbgsym package :)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> RAOF: is that repo added by default?
[10:43] <RAOF> Hobbsee: No, it isn't.  Either the link to it is on the page I've already given him, or I'll need to hunt it down.
[10:44] <lucasvo> RAOF: I selected the wrong repository. it's n network-manager-gnome-dbgsym
[10:45] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i wonder if it should be.
[10:45] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Maybe, but it'd need to be substantially more official than someone's people. page :)
[10:46] <lucasvo> 0x0805f94c in nmi_dbus_get_network_key_callback (result=GNOME_KEYRING_RESULT_OK, found_list=0x0, data=0x82db868) at applet-dbus-info.c:117
[10:46] <Hobbsee> RAOF: they're canonical employees.  and it could probably be mirrored somewhere.
[10:46] <lucasvo> 117     applet-dbus-info.c: No such file or directory.
[10:46] <RAOF> lucasvo: I'm not sure from your last statement whether or not you're asking for any help or not :/
[10:47] <lucasvo> RAOF: well, I was looking through various bugreports about crashes and I don't really know if mine is a duplicate. should I just report a new one?
[10:47] <RAOF> lucasvo: Probably, yes.  Unless your backtrace matches something else you've already seen.
[10:50] <lucasvo> crap. my firefox just crashed while I tried to report the bug.
[10:50] <lucasvo> are there any issues with FF on gutsy?
[10:50] <RAOF> Not that I've noticed recently
[10:50] <lucasvo> :/
[10:51] <Hobbsee> lucasvo: does it happen repeatedly?
[10:51] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: yes. It happened when I tried to comment on a post yesterday
[10:52] <Hobbsee> lucasvo: what about on a new profile?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: wait a few days, please.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: people to test images are needed.
[10:52] <jussi01> Hobbsee: why?
[10:52] <jussi01> oh. ok
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: tribe 2.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: and currently, adept is broken.
[10:53] <jussi01> its on the second partition so i can install as many times as i feel like... :d
[10:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:10] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: by new profile you mean: rm ~/.mozilla?
[11:10] <lucasvo> it crashed again
[11:10] <Hobbsee> lucasvo: yeah.  i'd move, not remove, though
[11:10] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: I did
[11:10] <Hobbsee> right. then go ahead and file, and say that you tried a new profile, adn that it's reproducable
[11:10] <Hobbsee> (if you hadnt done so here, they would have just asked you to do it, from the bug report, regardless)
[11:13] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: ok, will do
[01:18] <ajmorris_> anyone got the latest 'partial upgrades' installed? i get an ubuntu-desktop error
[01:20] <Hobbsee> ajmorris_: it's probably not installable
[01:21] <Hobbsee> ajmorris_: which tends to be normal for a development release
[01:28] <gnomefreak> its not libgimp is stopping it
[01:29] <ajmorris_> ah, so that is why libgimp won't update
[01:30] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:30] <gnomefreak> that needs to be upgraded before anything else can be installed
[01:30] <ajmorris_> ah IC
[01:30] <gnomefreak> once updated anything that depends on it needs to be respun
[01:30] <ajmorris_> thanks gnomefreak
[01:30] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sometimes.
[01:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: depends what it is :)
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[01:31] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop gimp and xsane will need to be
[01:32] <Hobbsee> gimp will be in the same source package as libgimp, i expect
[01:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmm xsane common is updating
[01:32] <gnomefreak> xsane-common
[01:32] <gnomefreak> that might be good news
[01:33] <Hobbsee> only gimp will.  u-d wont, didnt check xsane
[01:33] <gnomefreak> xsane is installibel now
[01:33] <gnomefreak> installable
[01:34] <gnomefreak> its all fixed
[01:34] <gnomefreak> u-d now installs as well
[01:34] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yay!
[01:34] <Hobbsee> i doubt k-d does, i should check.
[01:35] <gnomefreak> yes it does
[01:35] <gnomefreak> adept debtags and freinds were fixed :)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> adept is broken.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> it builds, sure.
[01:36] <gnomefreak> well yeah IMO its always broken its just its nature
[11:11] <DanaG> idle timeout....*blink*blink*
[11:11] <coNP> hey DanaG
[11:11] <DanaG> goes 100<off>75<off>50
[11:11] <DanaG> Yeah?
[11:11] <coNP> I was only seeing idle timeout
[11:13] <DanaG> What I was referring to:
[11:13] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[11:32] <coNP> oh I thought you mean this list
[11:32] <coNP> s/list/channel/
[11:39] <DanaG> Argh, my screen keeps blinking randomly -- and it's not that bug.  Grr, stupid NVIDIA.
[11:39] <DanaG> *blink*
[11:40] <DanaG> *blink*
[11:40] <DanaG> *blink*
[11:41] <DanaG> argh, logout does not log out.
[11:41] <DanaG> It just locks up the panel.
[11:41] <DanaG> And keyboard input to everything but Pidgin.
[11:42] <DanaG> Argh.
[11:47] <DanaG> What happened to the "Autorun Script" option in Amarok?
[11:48] <DanaG> Argh, multimedia keys don't run unless I manually run the "Gnome multimedia keys" script.
[11:48] <DanaG> s/run/work/