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KurtKrautI'd like to install Gutsy in another partition. How can I do that withou loosing the current GRUB config, in order to boot Vista or Feisty ?01:06
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tormodKurtKraut: install the Gutsy grub to the gutsy partition, and not to MBR. Then chainload this one from the old grub (on MBR).01:13
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KurtKrauttormod, this is possible to do with the Alternate Install CD ?01:13
tormodKurtKraut: I would think so. You can do it with the Desktop installer at least.01:14
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invisiblepinkuniwhat will the "FREE" version of ubuntu (gnewsense) be called? and where can I find more information about it?04:14
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micahcowanAnyone know how to get the last Gutsy tribe to run under qemu?04:27
micahcowanNice nick, \x6e\x65\x72\x64 ...and self-proving, too! :)04:29
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xsachahey.. when i first started gutsy, i started up amarok and played some mp3s -- it worked straight away without installing anything extra? now, 2 days later it suddenly wont play mp3s anymore. so i decided to install w32codecs. it still doesnt play mp3s04:35
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crdlbxsacha, you need libmad something04:36
xsachaxmms-mad?04:36
crdlblibmad0 and you would need xmms-mad to make xmms play mp3s04:37
crdlband there's a gstreamer plugin04:37
crdlbif you're using xine, you should have libxine-extracodecs installed04:38
xsachayeah got that installed (and amarok does use xine, yes)04:38
invisiblepinkunimicahcowan: lol, great nick :) \x6e\x65\x72\x6404:38
invisiblepinkunii had to go to the ascii table to find out04:39
micahcowanStrangely enough, I've recently spent some time memorizing the ASCII code table :)04:39
xsachacrdlb: any ideas?04:39
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invisiblepinkunii remember memorizing A,Z, a, z, 0, 9 a long time ago...04:40
micahcowanYeah, for alphabetic chars I mostly just know where the boundaries are; A, O, P, Z...04:41
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xsachagrr mp3 not working is known bug for gutsy?04:44
micahcowaninvisiblepinkuni: \x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d :)04:47
micahcowanTry that as an argument to printf.04:47
invisiblepinkunimicahcowan: how do I do it? :(04:50
micahcowanJust use the printf(1) command: "printf '\x1b\x5b...'"... you should probably tack on \x0a at the end of it, too :)04:52
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invisiblepinkunimicahcowan: you narcissist04:54
invisiblepinkuni:)04:54
micahcowan:)04:54
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xsacha Micah04:56
micahcowanxsacha, yeah... should also be blue, in ansi-color-capable terminals.04:58
xsachayep04:58
xsachaprintf '\x1b\x5b\x33\6d^Mx3\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'05:00
xsachaooops, here:       printf '\x1b\x5b\x33\6d\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'05:01
xsachait should move up 2 lines and then print line below that05:02
micahcowanThere was an x missing in \6d, near the beginning.05:04
xsachayeah, dont put it there05:04
micahcowanWell, if I don't, it says " [3 dMicah"05:04
xsachathe \6d is what makes it jump to top05:05
micahcowanSure you don't want \x6d?05:05
xsacha100%05:05
xsachaand use the second one, not the first one, to get rid of [305:05
micahcowan\6 isn't a useful control character...05:05
xsachasure it is05:05
micahcowanNo, the second one produces the [3.05:05
micahcowan\6 = \x0605:06
xsachanot here05:06
xsachaif it makes you happy:       printf '\x1b\x5b\x33d\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'05:07
micahcowan\6 is the ACK control.05:07
micahcowanThat works much better.05:08
xsachaboth work on konsole05:08
xsachai like this one better:        printf '\x1b\x5bd\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a05:08
xsacha(note the ' at end)05:08
micahcowanwell, at any rate, it's not ISO 642905:08
xsachait changed my sacha@coco:~$ to Micah@coco:~$      with Micah in blue05:09
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xsachahttp://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7639/hmm3lp9.png05:11
xsachalol05:11
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Jordan_Uubuntu-desktop got removed during my last dist-upgrade and I still can't install it because I can't install xsane or gimp-print, is this a known problem?05:14
xsachakubuntu-desktop got removed when i installed mythtv :P05:14
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Jordan_UNo, I have pretty much nothing extra installed, I am just running gutsy in a VM to help with testing and out of curiosity05:15
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xsachaok my mp3 works perfect. but when i try to play a last.fm stream in amarok it says it cant play it coz it doesnt have the right input plugin or something, cant recognise the format05:21
xsachaok error seemed to change now for no apparent reason and it's now: Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.       xine parameters:05:26
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xsachafixed it!!05:35
xsachai just got rid of artsd05:35
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DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/12183306:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 06:47
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shirishubotu paste07:06
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:06
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Jordan_UIs xsane not completely merged or is the fact that it depends on an older version of libgimp2.0 a bug?07:25
crimsunthat's bug 12184007:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121840 in xsane "xsane needs rebuild for newer libgimp2.0" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12184007:33
crimsunI'm working on it now; just be patient.07:34
crimsunCanonical staff generally are not paid to work on Ubuntu during the weekends.07:34
crimsun(although I'm not staff, so it doesn't apply to me)07:34
Jordan_Ucrimsun, Thank you07:41
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TakesinnSo whats new in the Gutsy Gibbon?07:44
DanaGnew kernel (dynticks), new gnome-power-manager, broken suspend2ram (for me), new Gnome, and lots of other new versions of things.07:45
Jordan_UTakesinn, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html07:46
TakesinnAny idea when it's going to be released?07:48
Jordan_UTakesinn, 7.10 :)07:48
RAOFOctober07:48
TakesinnAh07:48
TakesinnCool07:49
TakesinnSo improved performance and graphics, not bad07:49
RAOFCompiz+fusion plugins by default.07:49
Jordan_UTakesinn, My favorite feature is the new Xorg improvements upstream07:49
Jordan_U^^ and Compiz Fusion of course :)07:50
TakesinnCare to elaborate on what good it does? :)07:50
TakesinnI get the Compiz stuff, looks nice07:50
RAOFCompiz fuzion?  A bunch of really nice looking plugins.07:50
Jordan_UTakesinn, Compiz Fusion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w07:51
RAOFAlso, scale enhancements.07:51
TakesinnI got ATi, so not sure if I can use it07:51
Jordan_UTakesinn, If you require fglrx you are out of luck ( without the hack that is XGL at least )07:51
TakesinnI had to disable composite in xorg.conf to get proper 3D accel07:52
TakesinnExactly ;)07:52
TakesinnI should get a new 3D card probably07:52
Jordan_UTakesinn, Is your card supported by the open source drivers?07:52
TakesinnSo does Ubuntu have it's own gaming section?07:52
Jordan_UTakesinn, What do you mean?07:52
TakesinnI have no idea. All I know is I installed some ati drivers by reading ubuntu guide, which got Action Cube running nicely07:53
TakesinnNVM ^^07:53
Jordan_UTakesinn, Does your comp by chance also have an intel integrated card?07:54
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TakesinnHow do i find out? :P I forgot those dang commands07:54
TakesinnI got grep down tho07:54
Jordan_UTakesinn, lspci07:55
TakesinnScuse ^^;; Long time since I *nixed07:55
TakesinnIt's like riding a bike tho, you just gotta get into it again07:55
TakesinnJordan_U: Jepp, Intel07:56
Jordan_UTakesinn, And you are sure that is a gfx card and not a network card?07:56
TakesinnWait, you mean intel graphics?07:58
DanaGIf you have an AGP add-in video card, it will disable any integrated AGP card.07:58
TakesinnNaw, it's some cheap ATi knockoff07:58
TakesinnRadeon x60007:58
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=== Jordan_U hopes that ATI will finally add texture_from_pixmap to fglrx before Gutsy is released, but deep down knows he will be disappointed :(
PirateHeadIt's really great that Ubuntu can import settings and data from a Windows installation during an Ubuntu install. However, I'd like to see that feature implemented with respect to other Linux installs. If I install Ubuntu Gutsy over my old SUSE or Mandriva installation, surely Ubuntu could extract my data from those?08:01
Jordan_UPirateHead, Yeah, it should, until it does though you can just keep your /home on a separate partition08:03
PirateHeadJordan_U: is there somebody I can bug to get information on implementing that functionality?08:04
crimsunJordan_U: I need you to test a deb for me, please, if you have time.08:07
Jordan_Ucrimsun, I do, and I will :)08:07
Jordan_UPirateHead, I think there is already a bug report about it, if not create one08:07
PirateHeadcrimsun: I downloaded the latest kernel binary about a week ago and my sound was fixed. Thanks for helping clear that stuff up. :-)08:08
crimsunJordan_U: please try the two debs at www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/08:08
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TakesinnI share your pain08:09
Jordan_U_gutsyCould you post the link again so I can get it easier from My Gutsy vmware image :)08:09
crimsunJordan_U_gutsy: www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/08:10
Jordan_U_gutsyhttp://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/xsane-common_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_all.deb ?08:12
crimsunand xsane.08:13
crimsunxsane_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_i386.deb            100%  280KB 280.5KB/s   00:0108:14
crimsunxsane-common_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_all.deb      100% 1526KB   1.5MB/s   00:0108:14
crimsunthose two.08:14
Jordan_U_gutsyWhy 2 ?08:14
crimsunthis is, of course, on i386/gutsy.  Obviously a no-go on ppc, sparc, amd64, ia64.08:14
crimsunbecause you need them both.08:15
Jordan_U_gutsyOK, both installed correctly, should I now try to install ubuntu-desktop?08:16
crimsunsure08:17
crimsunI want you specifically to use xsane in your VM08:17
crimsunI'm not going to upload an untested source package change08:17
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jussi01crimsun: if you have a min there is a lad in #ubuntuforums who has a weird soundcard issue. perhaps you could help if you have time?08:19
crimsunwith a stable release or a devel release?08:21
crimsunthere are appropriate channels for both; ask him to ping me in one of them08:22
Jordan_U_gutsycrimsun: Sorry for my ignorance of vmware but how do I allow it access to usb devices?08:22
crimsunJordan_U_gutsy: it's in one of the top menus08:22
crimsunVM menu, I think?08:22
crimsunI haven't used VMware in a very long time08:22
Jordan_U_gutsyIn VM -> Removable Devices -> USB I see nothing available08:23
crimsunwindows host?08:24
crimsundid you safely remove it from the host or whatever?08:24
Jordan_U_gutsyNo, Feisty Host08:24
crimsunwell, does feisty recognise it?08:25
Jordan_U_gutsyYes.08:25
Jordan_U_gutsyI have scanned from it before08:26
crimsunso does your vmware image recognise it?08:28
Jordan_U_gutsyNo08:30
crimsunI mean from dmesg or lshal08:30
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Jordan_U_gutsyNo08:31
crimsunthen that's a kernel issue08:32
crimsuntry a gutsy chroot instead of a VMware image08:32
Jordan_U_gutsyOk, I don't have one currently set up08:33
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DanaGI have Gutsy native, but I don't have a scanner.08:35
DanaGTomorrow I can try a camera, or something.08:35
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DanaGWow, that blinking brightness-changing is annoyinh.08:39
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DanaGGood night (or morning or any other time of day, depending on your time zones).08:41
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Jordan_Ucrimsun, Xane detected the scanner, scanning now...08:53
Jordan_U" Failed to start scanner: Error during device IO "08:54
crimsunis that in the VMware image or in a true gutsy install?08:54
Jordan_UVMware image, the scan worked the second time though08:54
crimsunok, so xsane's not the culprit.08:55
crimsunthanks, uploaded.08:55
crimsunfixed debs will be available in 3 hours.08:55
Jordan_Ucrimsun, Thank you, I am always willing to test, and I am grateful for your work :)08:56
crimsunnp, thank -you- for testing.08:56
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lucasvomy nm-applet segfaults when I try to connect to a network10:31
lucasvowhat should I attach to a bugreport?10:31
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RAOFThe crash log, if possible.  It should be in /var/crash10:31
lucasvoI only have a networkmanager crashlog10:32
RAOFHm.10:33
lucasvono I found it10:33
lucasvoit get's cleaned up after reboot10:33
lucasvoRAOF: I'll write a bugreport10:33
RAOFYou could always run it under gdb to get a really serious backtrace.10:33
RAOFYay!10:33
lucasvoRAOF: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.10:36
lucasvo[Switching to Thread -1225925952 (LWP 6696)] 10:36
lucasvo0x0805f94c in ?? ()10:36
RAOFOh, this is in gdb?10:36
lucasvoRAOF: yes10:36
RAOFlucasvo: Allow me to grab a link to a "getting a good backtrace" howto10:36
lucasvoRAOF: ok10:37
RAOFhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash10:37
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lucasvoRAOF: are the debugsymbols in the networkmanager package?10:41
RAOFYes, there are.10:42
RAOFYou need to add the ddebs repository, and you'll get -dbgsym packages for every Ubuntu package.10:42
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RAOFlucasvo: Oh, now that I've parsed your question correctly: No, you'll need to get the appropriate -dbgsym package :)10:43
HobbseeRAOF: is that repo added by default?10:43
RAOFHobbsee: No, it isn't.  Either the link to it is on the page I've already given him, or I'll need to hunt it down.10:43
lucasvoRAOF: I selected the wrong repository. it's n network-manager-gnome-dbgsym10:44
HobbseeRAOF: i wonder if it should be.10:45
RAOFHobbsee: Maybe, but it'd need to be substantially more official than someone's people. page :)10:45
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lucasvo0x0805f94c in nmi_dbus_get_network_key_callback (result=GNOME_KEYRING_RESULT_OK, found_list=0x0, data=0x82db868) at applet-dbus-info.c:11710:46
HobbseeRAOF: they're canonical employees.  and it could probably be mirrored somewhere.10:46
lucasvo117     applet-dbus-info.c: No such file or directory.10:46
RAOFlucasvo: I'm not sure from your last statement whether or not you're asking for any help or not :/10:46
lucasvoRAOF: well, I was looking through various bugreports about crashes and I don't really know if mine is a duplicate. should I just report a new one?10:47
RAOFlucasvo: Probably, yes.  Unless your backtrace matches something else you've already seen.10:47
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lucasvocrap. my firefox just crashed while I tried to report the bug.10:50
lucasvoare there any issues with FF on gutsy?10:50
RAOFNot that I've noticed recently10:50
lucasvo:/10:50
Hobbseelucasvo: does it happen repeatedly?10:51
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lucasvoHobbsee: yes. It happened when I tried to comment on a post yesterday10:51
Hobbseelucasvo: what about on a new profile?10:52
Hobbseejussi01: wait a few days, please.10:52
Hobbseejussi01: people to test images are needed.10:52
jussi01Hobbsee: why?10:52
jussi01oh. ok10:52
Hobbseejussi01: tribe 2.10:52
Hobbseejussi01: and currently, adept is broken.10:52
jussi01its on the second partition so i can install as many times as i feel like... :d10:53
Hobbsee:)10:53
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lucasvoHobbsee: by new profile you mean: rm ~/.mozilla?11:10
lucasvoit crashed again11:10
Hobbseelucasvo: yeah.  i'd move, not remove, though11:10
lucasvoHobbsee: I did11:10
Hobbseeright. then go ahead and file, and say that you tried a new profile, adn that it's reproducable11:10
Hobbsee(if you hadnt done so here, they would have just asked you to do it, from the bug report, regardless)11:10
lucasvoHobbsee: ok, will do11:13
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ajmorris_anyone got the latest 'partial upgrades' installed? i get an ubuntu-desktop error01:18
Hobbseeajmorris_: it's probably not installable01:20
Hobbseeajmorris_: which tends to be normal for a development release01:21
gnomefreakits not libgimp is stopping it01:28
ajmorris_ah, so that is why libgimp won't update01:29
gnomefreakyep01:30
gnomefreakthat needs to be upgraded before anything else can be installed01:30
ajmorris_ah IC01:30
gnomefreakonce updated anything that depends on it needs to be respun01:30
ajmorris_thanks gnomefreak01:30
gnomefreakyw01:30
Hobbseegnomefreak: sometimes.01:31
Hobbseegnomefreak: depends what it is :)01:31
Hobbsee</pedantic>01:31
gnomefreakubuntu-desktop gimp and xsane will need to be01:31
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Hobbseegimp will be in the same source package as libgimp, i expect01:32
gnomefreakhmmmm xsane common is updating01:32
gnomefreakxsane-common01:32
gnomefreakthat might be good news01:32
Hobbseeonly gimp will.  u-d wont, didnt check xsane01:33
gnomefreakxsane is installibel now01:33
gnomefreakinstallable01:33
gnomefreakits all fixed01:34
gnomefreaku-d now installs as well01:34
Hobbseewoo :)01:34
Hobbseeyay!01:34
Hobbseei doubt k-d does, i should check.01:34
gnomefreakyes it does01:35
gnomefreakadept debtags and freinds were fixed :)01:35
Hobbseeadept is broken.01:35
Hobbseeit builds, sure.01:35
gnomefreakwell yeah IMO its always broken its just its nature01:36
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DanaGidle timeout....*blink*blink*11:11
coNPhey DanaG11:11
DanaGgoes 100<off>75<off>5011:11
DanaGYeah?11:11
coNPI was only seeing idle timeout11:11
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DanaGWhat I was referring to:11:13
DanaGhttps://launchpad.net/bugs/12183311:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 11:13
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coNPoh I thought you mean this list11:32
coNPs/list/channel/11:32
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DanaGArgh, my screen keeps blinking randomly -- and it's not that bug.  Grr, stupid NVIDIA.11:39
DanaG*blink*11:39
DanaG*blink*11:40
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DanaG*blink*11:40
DanaGargh, logout does not log out.11:41
DanaGIt just locks up the panel.11:41
DanaGAnd keyboard input to everything but Pidgin.11:41
DanaGArgh.11:42
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DanaGWhat happened to the "Autorun Script" option in Amarok?11:47
DanaGArgh, multimedia keys don't run unless I manually run the "Gnome multimedia keys" script.11:48
DanaGs/run/work/11:48
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