=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Jun 13:00 UTC: Community Council | 26 Jun 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 19:00 UTC: Technical Board === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db443a5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=jack@p508D9031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dayylin [n=dayylin@dsl-216-227-91-136.fairpoint.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RoninX341 [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:10] @schedule michigan [01:10] Schedule for US/Michigan: 26 Jun 09:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 15:00: Technical Board === greg_g [n=greg@adsl-69-212-43-246.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["later] === FLOZz [n=flo@86.67.81.127] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FLOZz [n=flo@86.67.81.127] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["echo] === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:08] who's here for the US LoCo Teams meeting? [02:09] and hello to everyone else :) === etank is here [02:12] bye === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-239-240.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === chuckf [n=chuck@pool-71-191-46-92.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === AndrewB [n=andy@freenode/helper/ubuntu.member.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Flannel [n=flannel@cpe-76-176-22-229.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === emonkey-m [n=emonkey@static-pro-212-101-27-121.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === j_ack [n=jack@p508D9031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bashelie1 [n=bashelie@srv122.hosteur.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4463d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cynics [n=cynics@123.118.0.94] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-24-5-168-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shely [n=huahua@60.20.49.127] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@chello080109027166.17.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@chello080109027166.17.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === emonkey-m [n=emonkey@static-pro-212-101-27-121.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@cl-185.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lionel [n=lionel@ip-211.net-81-220-127.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-5-229.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A66FA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Czessi-m [n=czessi@tmo-106-1.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=Iva@84.76.94.4] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TriniTy_ [n=nyx@nor87-1-88-167-25-231.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:32] salut [11:32] Ju, [11:32] t'es l ? [11:33] oui hello ! [11:33] sur #ubuntu-fr-meeting [11:33] lol t'avais mis #ubunut-fr-meeting sur le siteeeeeeeeee [11:33] heureusement je t'ai whois :p [11:33] ;-) [11:33] w donc quand je veux changer mes distrib === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A64A11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A67464.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Spec [n=spec@69.60.114.106] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:45] @schedule edt [02:46] @schedule [02:46] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jun 13:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 19:00: Technical Board [02:46] @schedule America/New_York [02:47] Schedule for America/New_York: 26 Jun 09:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 15:00: Technical Board [02:47] finally :p [02:48] err, that doesn't mention the LoCo meeting today?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting [02:49] Spec: Maybe the loco team meeting wasn't submitted to the fridge.. [02:55] the us loco team meeting was [02:56] it was on schedule a thursday for sat i think [02:56] what meeting is taking place in an hour? [02:56] none from what fridge says [02:56] but the wiikiii [02:57] seems there are 2 loco meetings today [02:57] maybe ubotu wasnt updated since seveas is gone [02:57] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [02:58] seveas is gone? [02:58] yes [02:59] month or so been gone maybe 2 weeks now [02:59] why'd he leave? [02:59] oh, gone for a month? [02:59] so that's georgia us loco meeting and catalan loco team? [02:59] the wiki seems to imply it's a generic all-loco team meeting [02:59] yes both seem to be today [03:00] Spec: not sure about that === popey [n=alan@popey.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:06] @schedule [03:06] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jun 13:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 19:00: Technical Board === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:18] Spec, he will be back, he is gone for $time very suddenly he had to run === jkbys [n=jkbys@218-251-52-236.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MehdiHassanpour [n=Mehdi@ubuntu/member/MehdiHassanpour] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === chuckf [n=chuck@pool-71-191-46-92.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === myriam_rs [n=myriam_r@83.222.147.62] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === myriam_rs [n=myriam_r@83.222.147.62] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.53.249] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:49] hi [03:49] be back in 20-25 min [03:49] :-) === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seele [i=seele@nayuki.caffeine.nu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:56] kjcole: i don't know why i'm still awake. === flint [n=flint@68.114.55.204] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:01] Kevin, you're killing me... === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:01] kjcole, ...my life is a living hell... [04:02] ...I am getting coffee... [04:02] Ok, who is here for the LoCo Teams meeting? (that it seems didnt get on the fridge :-/) [04:03] elkbuntu, it was on the fridge. [04:03] flint, it was? it's not in the topic here. i guess ubotu is b0rked === dthacker [n=dthacker@ip68-107-233-209.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:03] seele (Celeste Paul) [04:03] elkbuntu, well it was on the wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting [04:03] flint, yes i know that much. i put it there : [04:04] it's not on the fridge....two loco meetings are on the fridge [04:04] seele, mille gratzie [04:04] (which ubotu also didn't pick up) === kjcole is here for the LoCo meeting. [04:04] elkbuntu, do not be bitter, I can do that for you. [04:04] dthacker Dave Thacker-Nebraska Team [04:04] flint, im not bitter, just disorganised === kjcole is Kevin Cole, Washington, DC LoCo Team [04:05] elkbuntu: welcome to my world.... [04:05] dthacker, haha! [04:05] I announce myself here as the rep from Vermont Area Group of Unix Enthusiasts (VAGUE) [04:06] ok, i guess we shall start. latecomers can read logs and join in when they manage to get their disorganised butts into gear [04:06] So, general issues? [04:06] dthacker, hey Dave! [04:06] does anyone have a general LoCo team issue? (with the LoCo project or the running therof) [04:07] FYI to all who might not have noticed (like me): This meeting likes MootBot which I hadn't encountered before. See: [04:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot [04:07] elkbuntu, the issue of loco recognition should be deligated by counrty. [04:07] flint, what do you mean by that? [04:07] elkbuntu, the hell that the DC loco had to go through with the loco central in London should not be repeated. [04:08] flint, and what hell was that? [04:08] flint: we were a special case due to the fact that we were formed before much of the LoCo Team rules & guidelines were in existance. [04:08] elkbuntu: pleny of hell [04:08] my motion is to declare the ability for the country amalgamated locos to recognize any local country based loco. [04:08] More purgatory (or limbo) than hell. ;-) [04:09] any seconds? [04:09] can someone explain what happened, because at the moment i've got no idea what happened [04:10] Ah Melissa with the handle you are using i thought you were Jeff Elkner, my sincere apologies... === myriam_rs is here from Swiss LocoTeam [04:10] elkbuntu: Early on, I went to the CC for approval, and thought that I had obtained it. A year later, someone got miffed and said we weren't an approved team [04:10] kjcole, how long ago was this? (the original CC thing) [04:11] elkbuntu: and we had to start over again, defending ourselves to the CC after having held several events, etc. [04:11] The DC Loco was the first formed. A bureaucracy grew up at cannonical/ubuntu in london which did not "recognize" our group as part of the "council" thus there was a show vote. [04:11] The whole thing stank of procedure for procedures sake, and I feel that each country should be able to recognize local locos for goodness sake. [04:12] seconds? [04:12] flint, the concept of approved teams is for Canonical to distinguise between us [04:12] flint, please stop calling for seconds, I am chairing this meeting [04:12] ok. no harm intended. [04:13] the point of country based approval seems like a reasonable request. [04:13] elkbuntu: (I went to the council after flint handed the reigns of the LoCo to me. He was the original LoCo guy before me when he moved from the area.) [04:13] as i was saying, it is for Canonical, the 'bureacracy' you mention, to distinguish between active/approved teams, so they can better judge where to trust resources to [04:14] I am merely suggesting that peers within a country can also make that determination and that this matter should be delegated to that level. [04:14] Canonical trusts the CC and more recently Jono, to judge which teams are active and therefore trustworthy [04:14] What resources(other than CDs and serverspace) does/can Canonical provide for LoCo teams? [04:14] elkbuntu: its the CC, not Canonical who distinguishes :) [04:14] mc44, it is, but it is for Canonical's sake, mostly [04:14] mc44, excellent point... [04:14] right === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:15] elkbuntu, merely food for thought madame chairperson. [04:15] I am getting coffee. [04:17] brb, dog wants in.... [04:17] the only country that has a splintered loco is the US. It would be highly unfair to allow a decision to go through to allow the US LoCo to decide to approve the state teams. As it is, the US already has as many teams as South America, and each of these US teams is already entitled to Canonical sponsored benefits. [04:17] elkbuntu: Is there a list of said benefits? [04:18] i dont know why the number of teams matter, especially if we have active members to support them [04:18] Spec, it was revised at the most recent Dev Summit, let me drudge up the link [04:18] For the DC LoCo, the issue with the CC is water under the bridge, at least as far as approval goes. [04:18] the US has 300 million people, it seems silly to have a single loco for it [04:18] Spec: mailing lists, forums, [04:18] elkbuntu, true, VAGUE may choose to participate as a loco, DC is again a first, but a pattern emerges... [04:18] However, to me "Local [04:19] and "Community" have a very different meaning than "Country". [04:19] seele, India has over a billion people [04:19] yeah.. and they should be able to have regional LoCos too [04:19] seele, agreed [04:19] elkbuntu, and India's local councils will need to have this authority delegated, and quick. [04:19] seele: +1 [04:19] kjcole, that may be so, but if we splinter LoCos to the point of cities, then Canonical is either going to go bust trying to support them all, or reduce LoCo allocations to like 10cds [04:19] CoCo's and LoCo's [04:19] India for instance even has many different languages [04:20] I do not even want to think about China, the Peking loco opened with 5,00 members. [04:20] flint, India doesnt have the same 'problem' working together as the US does [04:20] elkbuntu: If the LoCo's are using and effectively distributing Ubuntu CDs to lots of people in each individual city, where does the problem lay? [04:20] elkbuntu: what do you mean by that? === _kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:20] elkbuntu, and Vermont is noted for its ability not to play well with the other states, but that is another matter... [04:21] seele, the US team has splintered into many state and sometimes city teams. [04:21] <_kjcole> Elkbuntu, definitely hard to sustain. ;-) In an ideal world, we'd all be good little communists and find ways to contribute some [04:21] What cities have thier own team? [04:21] yes i know that.. but other than vermont, who isnt playing nice [04:21] may we get back on track please. This issue is delegaton of approval. We could have an entire day discussion on scope [04:22] Spec, Chicago [04:22] Spec: i think there are some "clubs" but i dont know of any official locos [04:22] <_kjcole> financial resources to the collective. ;-) [04:22] chicago is an official loco? [04:22] hi everyone [04:22] elkbuntu: I can understand states teams to be officialized, but cities is questionable also to my perception [04:22] elkbuntu: How should we cooperate and organize with other LoCOs in the United States? [04:22] dthacker, and unfortunately it is not one that *anyone* here has jurisdiction to decide [04:22] seele, wait a second my friend I speak for flint, not for Vermont. [04:22] sure [04:22] why not approve state teams and thei handle cities teams themselve? [04:23] I recommend that this be taken to the Community Manager, and if need be the CC [04:23] State teams should be responsible for the teams that form in cities.... [04:23] but go through the Community Manager first [04:23] elkbuntu: then the question becomes. how do those concerned get their concerns heard by the CC? [04:23] does anyone but me see the wisdom of country delegation? [04:23] dthacker: attend a CC meeting [04:23] i dont see the need personally [04:23] <_kjcole> (But DC's not a state: Taxation w/o Representation. ;-) ) [04:23] lol [04:23] _kjcole, DC is in fact a military district.... [04:24] The DC team obviously should represent all of US. [04:24] Spec: LOL === elkbuntu blows the "OFFTOPIC" horn [04:24] Spec, you are on the slippery slope... [04:24] No, but seriously, elkbuntu, citi-LoCo-groups should be controller by the State LoCo (exception: DC), who do we take that to? [04:24] flint: it sounds like you need to email Jono [04:24] controller, controlled, whatever. [04:25] Spec, this is out of my control. Take it to Jono, please. [04:25] sounds to me like creating an unnecessary hierarchy [04:25] what is the problem you are trying to fix flint ? [04:25] popey: s/fix/create/ [04:25] popey, the issue that every loco must go throught what I witnessed the d [04:26] DC loco going through. [04:26] popey, it was not pretty. [04:26] thats one loco [04:26] So, since we've decided that we're talking about thigns we can't change - next topic, elkbuntu? [04:26] popey, it was the first loco [04:26] agreed, this goes to jono, next topic? [04:26] dthacker: +1 [04:26] Why isn't jono here? :p [04:26] next topic is Software Freedom Day :D [04:27] Spec, he's in transit from somewhere to somewhere else afaik [04:27] elkbuntu: we formed a team yesterday [04:27] haha [04:27] plus, it is a weekend [04:27] elkbuntu, thank you for your time and consideration. === highvoltage can't wait until SFD again [04:27] amachu, cool. [04:27] elkbuntu: i registered the UK team [04:27] oh actually... were there any other concerns before we launch into SFD goodness? [04:27] no clue what we will do tho :) [04:28] So we get free schwag from Canonical for SFD? [04:28] schwag?? [04:28] cds [04:28] ok.. [04:28] <_kjcole> DC LoCo has done the past two, and gotten a wee bit of help, and plan to do a third. [04:28] Spec, indirectly. You get free swag from SFI, which is plyed by canonical [04:28] http://softwarefreedomday.org/ [04:28] elkbuntu: my mailing list is attractin a lot of spam. Is there anything I can do or request be done? [04:29] dthacker, talk to the sysadmins [04:29] from the sfd site.. it appears that we will get it from SFD bith Ubuntu & OpenCD [04:29] <_kjcole> amachu: Swag (Schwag), stuff handed out at conferences to advertise and gain loyalty: CD's, T shirts, pens, stickers, balloons, [04:29] Is there any general structure to SFD, or is it just what the LoCo's make it out to be? [04:30] elkbuntu: and what is SFI? [04:30] myriam_rs, Software Freedom International [04:30] how about making one of those goofy SFD across the planet type movies? [04:30] Spec: there are guides of the site [04:30] And is there any reason we would want to cooperate with other US, or other Country's LoCo's for SFD? [04:30] myriam_rs, there is a wikipedia page that lists the board [04:30] elkbuntu: thanks [04:30] Spec, cooperate in terms of sharing ideas, the same way LoCos share ideas :) [04:31] ok [04:31] i would recommend joining the SFD lailing lists [04:31] Well, if states are close enough they can make a really big SFD [04:31] ie: VA/MD/DC all got together [04:32] <_kjcole> So, in the interest of sharing: The DC way = pairing up with a local library that collects books from the community to distribute for free. [04:32] yep. and contacting organisations that may be able to 'sponsor' in the form of brochures and other fun stuff [04:32] dthacker is trying to get an exhibit at the local uni... [04:32] yep [04:32] I have managed to coerce a package of coolness out of RedHat for example [04:32] <_kjcole> It becomes a "Free Books, Free Software" event, but then we explain the "Freedom" part of "Free". [04:32] not sure what is in said package yet, but im sure it will be cool [04:33] elkbuntu: for your loco? [04:33] Spec, how about the reason to cooperate is that the US has a brilliant Texan leading us from the White House :^) the new ubuntu multimedia cd might help produce such a thing. Red hat might help with any costs... [04:33] Spec, for the SFD event where i am [04:33] elkbuntu: how do you deal with organising an event for such a large loco such as -AU or -UK ? [04:33] or do you do multiple events? [04:33] delegate? [04:33] flint, you are being sarcastic, right? : [04:33] popey, we do multiple events [04:34] popey, (in aus) [04:34] elkbuntu, whatever gave you that idea... LOL [04:34] ROLF [04:34] rolling on laughing floors. [04:34] rofl [04:34] elkbuntu: in Log i did find some words about India [04:34] ? === elkbuntu really did LOL [04:34] can't type laughing too hard. [04:34] kjcole: trying to contact organizations for swag/support in our area? [04:35] amachu, ah, i was using India as an example of a large loco that hasnt splintered as much as the US has [04:35] elkbuntu, the cool thing about a distributed multimedia event is that this frames the issues for all to see for the next year. [04:35] <_kjcole> Spec, have been busy trying to deal with the (dying) FOSSED conference. [04:35] elkbuntu: ok [04:35] elkbuntu: We should have one website/page/wiki-page to journal our adventures on SFD (from all around the world) [04:36] Spec, Excellent start! [04:36] <_kjcole> Spec, SFD's web site used to have such a beastie... [04:36] elkbuntu: who would be responsible for setting that up? [04:36] the 'archives' is seriously lacking [04:37] oh, maybe not, i was in wrong section === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [04:37] Spec, you mean on softwarefreedomday.org? I believe someone lost some data since last year or something [04:37] oh, ok === _kjcole is now known as kjcole [04:37] yeah, these aren't journals of events [04:37] kjcole: how far is hampton, va from us? [04:38] elkbuntu: SFD is sponsored in part by Canonical, right? [04:38] Spec, about 3 hours [04:38] spec, you're asking a non-driver? [04:38] ogra, hello Ollie! [04:38] Spec, yes. but not 'owned' by [04:38] hey hey [04:38] hey oli [04:38] ogra, hey long time no chat. [04:39] yeah [04:39] elkbuntu: they wipe the site each year [04:39] hi ogra :-) [04:39] elkbuntu: We should find a way to ensure all LoCo teams have registered for SFD on sfd.org [04:39] ogra, you missed my rap on national determination.... it was a beaut. [04:39] they dont lose it, they deliberately wipe it [04:39] popey, aha [04:39] hi myriam_rs :) [04:39] ubuntu-nebraska needs bodies for SFD, so I contacting the LUG, the perl-mongers, the python-LUG, and any other bunch that might help [04:39] (which is dumb IMO) [04:40] popey, that is why i like the "day" movie idea, we made a python movie and the damn thing is still around after five years. [04:40] Spec, the aim isnt to make sure every LoCo registers, just to make sure loco teams are encouraged to participate [04:40] gud [04:40] most SFD events are LUG based, not LoCo based [04:40] elkbuntu: by encouraging them to register, it encourages them to participate, right? [04:40] I don't see why we shouldn't make it a mandatory thing ^.^ [04:40] Spec: not nessesary that it has to be LoCo [04:41] I know, but it should be necessary to participate in SFD if you are a LoCo [04:41] or at least pretend to participate. [04:41] Spec: it can be the LUG & the LoCo Combination too [04:41] LUG might have registered and the LoCo can join hands [04:41] but making sure LoCos partipate is important. LoCo SFD teams as opposed to LUG SFD teams face alienating potential helpers [04:41] The requirement of one event(SFD) each year to be a LoCo isn't an outrageous one. [04:41] elkbuntu, getting over the LUG - LOCO dichotomy is a necessary prelude for this thing. [04:41] BTW: Since SFD is not Ubuntu specific, a nice intro to Linux can be found at http://www.getgnulinux.org/ [04:41] Spec, you cannot force volunteers to do anything [04:42] (Though it's not specifically a Linux event either.) [04:42] kjcole, exactly [04:42] my aim in pestering about SFD is to *encourage* LoCo people to participate in the day at a LUG level [04:42] So do we have any printable literature directly from Canonical? [04:43] elkbuntu: yes...so what's the best way to accomplish that? [04:43] Spec, ask for a conference pack [04:43] kjcole: ^^ :D:D:D [04:43] Spec, by talking about it in your LoCo, asking who is helping which LUG [04:43] Ok, so we'll try to contact the 10 or so LUGs in our area [04:44] kjcole: bookmarked, thanks [04:44] Any advertising for the event comes out of our own pocket, yes? [04:44] Spec: try the perl-mongers too [04:44] Spec, by logic, those 10 or so LUGs probably already have people in your LoCo [04:44] mmm.. [04:44] elkbuntu: you would think so, but i don't think that's the case. [04:45] Spec, you need to put a call out to the lurkers on your loco mailing list ;) [04:45] Spec, i think you'll find there's a wider spread than you think [04:45] question: is the Ubuntu book available as a PDF? [04:45] mm [04:45] dthacker, iirc. no idea where [04:46] dthacker, the concept of free software packaged in a proprietary format warms my heart... [04:46] flint: my sarcasm detector is going off again [04:46] dthacker, hehe [04:46] flint: wget ubuntu.exe [04:46] Spec, advertising, banner, registration fees at events, have been coming out of jelkner's pocket and mine. Not enough to break the bank, but like Canonical [04:47] it's not self-sustaining in the long run, w/o income. [04:47] Well, I was thinking more of how are we going to accomplish mass-advertisement of SFD. [04:47] kjcole, you can always ask them. at worst, they'll say 'no', but at least you will have tried [04:47] see I have this wacky idea to send out CD's to local teachers, but I want to include the book. And I can't afford 50 copies of the book [04:47] Like getting the local Career Center to make a Video-Advertisement for SFD, and then somehow getting local cable company to run the ad on public television....how feasable is that? [04:48] Spec, i dont know, try it and let us know [04:48] We were thinking of putting out a hat/jar for contributions at events... [04:48] elkbuntu: what about trademark? [04:48] Spec, so we need a movie. Think about SFD as an annual thing. We need to plan for a future, or SFD will not have one. [04:48] would canonical need to authorize our ad? [04:48] Spec, mail trademark@ubuntu.com if you're unsure [04:49] flint: can you browbeat D.Welsh to get a 60-120 second (ingenious!) advertisement? [04:49] elkbuntu, since Canonical has already provided us CD's and other materials, I don't want to keep hitting them up for stuff. [04:49] Spec, or, join #ubuntu-marketing and wait for gerry (probably in the midst of a nice weekend atm, so wait until tomorrow ;)) [04:50] #ubuntu-marketing? :p [04:50] i doubt you will get much from canonical other than CDs/stickers [04:50] popey: uhh [04:50] otherwise they would logically have to do the same for _all_ LoCos [04:50] popey: i get free software from canonical all the time as well :) [04:50] which would cost them $$ [04:50] Spec, those would be the hardest 60-120 seconds you ever got involved with... [04:51] popey, still, it never hurts to ask [04:51] flint: That's why I asked you to do it. [04:51] The movie idea could be really great: If different LoCo's agree on a similar quality/format for a video, and someone could edit them together... [04:52] Well, if other people (not necessarily us) come up with an advertisement, [04:52] we could just pass around the one video and try our hardest to get it on local tv channels [04:52] If all the LoCos helped out, we might get some half-way decent coverage [04:52] kjcole, it is applying the process of distributed programming to multimedia. I feel like Eric Raymond... [04:52] :^) [04:52] Watch it everyone! Flint has a gun. ;-) [04:53] Duck! [04:53] kjcole, ouch! === elkbuntu toots the "OFFTOPIC" horn again [04:53] the cathedral and the bizarre [04:53] bazaar [04:53] take advertisement creation discussion to your LoCo channel or #ubuntu-marketing please [04:53] ok! next. [04:55] ok, i think we've discussed sfd enough, im going to revert back to the first item and ask if anyone who has joined since that discussion if there's any issues that need advice [04:55] elkbuntu: can i have a pony? [04:55] No, Hobbsee! elkbuntu can't have a pony! [04:55] Hobbsee, steal mneptoks [04:55] hmm, that went wrong. [04:55] kjcole, thanks for inviting me to this meeting (yes Melissa, this is Kevin's fault, and he may do it again :^) [04:56] elkbuntu: ooh, there's an idea [04:56] the pony ran off when elkbuntu blew the offtopic horn === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:56] thanks and later.. [04:56] dthacker, it can tolerate mneptok, it can tolerate a horn : [04:56] hehe [04:57] Ok, i think that means we're done... [04:57] hey.. we would like to have the Ubuntu Derivate Team going [04:57] :-( === seele [i=seele@nayuki.caffeine.nu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [04:58] amachu, that is outside the loco scope, i'm afraid. while loco relevent, out of our control. [04:58] elkbuntu: ok [04:58] Good chatting with you all... (I guess we [04:58] amachu: is there a team set up? [04:58] (I guess we're NOT using MootBot after all...) [04:59] kjcole: indeed we're not :) [04:59] dthacker: nope.. it started and stopped in between [04:59] amachu, see the PM [04:59] kjcole: now get to work! *whipcrack* [04:59] :-( [04:59] PM? [04:59] amachu, private message [04:59] ok [04:59] Are we ajourning? [05:00] kjcole, unless you have another genuine matter, yes [05:00] s/ajourning/adjourning/ [05:00] OK. Later all. [05:01] thanks for coming everyone [05:01] elkbuntu: When is the next LoCo meeting? [05:02] elkbuntu: this time works for me, hope it works for non-us teams..... [05:02] Spec, when i announce it :) [05:02] (Most excellent time for me...) [05:02] Spec, i think i'm going to aim for monthly, since fortnightly doesnt bring alot of discussion [05:03] elkbuntu: sounds good === hjmf [n=hjmf@81.Red-217-125-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:03] dthacker, this is the most encompassing time I could find [05:04] okie [05:04] sounds good [05:04] monthly that is [05:04] it works fine for us [05:04] for US. [05:04] I wonder if we could reserve the DC Mall for SFD === dthacker [n=dthacker@ip68-107-233-209.om.om.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [05:05] Spec, worth trying. One thing some teams found useful was to dress young kids in tshirts that say 'I'm not scared of Open Source' and have them trot around handing leaflets out [05:06] exploiting children! zomg :) [05:06] woohoo! [05:06] mc44, damn straight [05:06] i don't know, the DC mall is pretty damn big [05:06] the logistics of operating a SFD would be mind boggling...unless we had the full support of all the LUGs in our area [05:06] and, of course, the government. [05:07] Spec, the worst you can get is a 'no', in which case you move on to plan b [05:07] Spec, I think you've been drinking flint's Free Beer. [05:07] try the local library, see if they'd be willing to let people congregate on the lawn or in the foyer [05:07] kjcole: how hard could it be? [05:08] to drink the free beer, that is. [05:08] anyway, anyone interested in SFD can move their talk to #sfd :) [05:09] 'k, laters. [05:09] And, with that, I really do think I must be going. Someone record whatever happens on #sfd === Spec [n=spec@ubuntu/member/spec] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Seeking] [05:09] and perhaps send out an e-mail... 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