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=== nealmcb listens to David on the radio: http://www.helpmerick.com/node/1529 and  http://www.helpmerick.com/node/1530 - good stuff!  But you still really can't listen to many typical videos out of the box with the base installation....
[01:02] <nealmcb> oops - wrong channel - that's the colorado loco team lead doing an interview on ubuntu on a web radio station....
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[03:17] <nealmcb> I installed krb5-kdc on feisty, and can't get past this error on any command: Improper format of Kerberos configuration file while initializing context
[03:18] <nealmcb> initially the /etc/krb5kdc/kdc.conf did seem invalid, with a missing realm name, but I changed it to be identical to /usr/share/doc/krb5-kdc/examples/kdc.conf and still run into problems
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[03:30] <trappist> is there some trick to making sasl auth with pam work with postfix chrooted?  I can't seem to make it work.
[03:30] <trappist> no errors, just authentication failures with known-good credentials
[03:39] <trappist> ok now I'm beginning to suspect my MUA.
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[04:32] <nealmcb> aha - the config file that kadmin.local is complaining about is /etc/krb5.conf not /etc/krb5kdc/kdc.conf - hmmm
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[04:51] <PureEvilGeek> I want to build an ubuntu server that can pull in my pop3 e-mails from various accounts and then either let me access that through evolution/outlook or through a web interface. what program would I want to use with the server to do this?
[04:52] <`6og> PureEvilGeek, you'd probal y need a few thigns working together
[04:53] <PureEvilGeek> you have any idea how to say what i want in a better way then i am?:)
[04:53] <PureEvilGeek> i was looking at opengroupware.org but i'm not even sure if thats what i want
[04:54] <`6og> i dont know a better way of saying it, i just dont know of anything that does what you want
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[06:03] <nealmcb> aha - giving a valid realm name in both /etc/krb5.conf and /etc/krb5kdc/kdc.conf lets me run krb5_newrealm so I'm off and running....  I think the default contents of those files should document this - so it is probably time for a bug....
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[07:19] <nevets> hi
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[07:47] <nevets> Hi
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[08:13] <apetrescu> Hey guys :)
[08:30] <apetrescu> I'm having a strange problem. I'm trying to install the server edition on a somewhat old pc. Partway through the install it "searches hardware for cd-rom devices"; and then after a while it complains that it found no CD drive, which is odd, because the installer is currently running off of that CD drive!
[08:31] <apetrescu> Is there anything I can do? I don't know which module it is supposed to be to pick it manually.
[08:31] <apetrescu> Note that I had no such problems installing Gentoo
[08:31] <apetrescu> (On the same hardware)
[08:37] <apetrescu> Anyone...?
[08:40] <`6og> use a different cd drive is the cure i know
[08:40] <apetrescu> `6og: It's the only CD drive I've got =/
[08:40] <`6og> :\
[08:41] <`6og> i think i can tell you why it happens, but that wont help much i suspect
[08:42] <apetrescu> The installer is loaded onto RAMdisk by the BIOS, and Linux does not have the right module to access it as a filesystem to grab other components?
[08:42] <apetrescu> That's my guess.
[08:43] <apetrescu> I know that my hardware isn't really obscure or anything, because Gentoo had no problem installing on it.
[08:43] <`6og> cd boots in floppy compatability mode (ie the computer boots "a floppy disc"), then when it looks for the cd drive it cant find it
[08:43] <apetrescu> I may boot up Gentoo, do an 'lsmod' to see what module it loaded for the cdrom, and tell Ubuntu to use that
[08:44] <apetrescu> But that'll take sooo looong (slow computer) and it's already almost 3:00 AM here >_<
[08:45] <`6og> :|
[08:51] <apetrescu> So, nobody has any ideas? =/
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[08:52] <`6og> go to sleep :)
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[05:40] <chila> I'm having some trouble with my postfix server
[05:42] <chila> I can't send emails or login to the UebiMiau webmail front
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[05:49] <chila> can anyone help with that
[06:04] <slackwarelife> chila: what have you ???
[06:04] <chila> 6.06
[06:04] <chila> postfix
[06:05] <chila> ispconfig
[06:05] <slackwarelife> chila: postfix, let me know
[06:06] <chila> what do you mean
[06:06] <slackwarelife> chila: what is your problem ???
[06:06] <chila> I can't send mail
[06:06] <chila> or recieve mail
[06:07] <chila> well recieving isnt the prpblem yet
[06:07] <slackwarelife> chila: send is your problem
[06:07] <chila> yes
[06:08] <chila> I can't send anything
[06:08] <slackwarelife> chila: you are using postfix with php
[06:08] <chila> I believe so...
[06:08] <chila> I have ISPCongig installed
[06:08] <chila> and thats all setup
[06:09] <chila> I didnt configure php with postfix
[06:12] <slackwarelife> chila: in your /etc/postfix/main.cf there is this line: relayhost = "your provider smtp server"
[06:13] <chila> it is blank
[06:14] <slackwarelife> chila: it is your problem
[06:14] <chila> really?
[06:14] <chila> what should be there
[06:14] <slackwarelife> chila: do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix" and remply this:
[06:15] <chila> I did this yesterday but where did I go wrong
[06:16] <slackwarelife> - Ok - Internet site - NONE - mail.mydomain.com - mail.mydomain.com, localhost, localhost.localdomain - No - 127.0.0.0/8 - Yes - 0 - + - All
[06:17] <slackwarelife> This "-" is for change the line reply 
[06:17] <slackwarelife> When you had installed postfix you didn't have reply to all question
[06:18] <chila> I used all the setting from here http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p5
[06:19] <chila> and I believe these are all the settings you have just listed
[06:20] <chila> also do I need to do all the after 'postconf -e' stuff?
[06:20] <slackwarelife> chila: but you want TLS ???
[06:20] <chila> yeah
[06:20] <chila> but not by defualt
[06:22] <slackwarelife> chila: but you want it now ???
[06:23] <chila> well right now no
[06:23] <chila> I just want it to work
[06:23] <chila> and then later I will configure TLS
[06:23] <chila> but it should work anyway if I configure it right
[06:24] <slackwarelife> chila: for easy reconfigure of postfix you can do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix"
[06:24] <slackwarelife> chila: this will ask some question
[06:25] <slackwarelife> chila: you can reply with the string I posted before (remember "-" this is a change question)
[06:25] <slackwarelife> chila: after this you will have a /etc/postfix/main.cf
[06:26] <slackwarelife> but before you must restart the postfix: "sudo /etc/init.d/postfix reload"
[06:26] <chila> one sec
[06:27] <slackwarelife> chila: after restart you can change the main.cf file with: "sudo nano /etc/postfix/main.cf" or "sudo gedit /etc/postfix/main.cf" 
[06:28] <slackwarelife> chila: and insert this line: relayhost = your smtp provider server
[06:28] <slackwarelife> chila: save all
[06:33] <slackwarelife> chila: after you can configure /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini (use your prefer text editor) and add this line (or change this line): sendmail_path = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i" (don't worry this line will use postfix). Reload apache2 "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload". Now if you haven't a sendmail path you can do this: "sudo ln -a /usr/sbin/postfix /usr/sbin/sendmail". Try. Now I must will go out. But you can
[06:51] <chila> im still having problems after reloading everything
[07:02] <chila> can anyone help
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[07:30] <chila_> I can send mail but I cant recieve mail
[07:31] <chila_> I am using postfix
[07:31] <chila_> and I cant log into UEBimiau
[07:35] <PureEvilGeek> is any one using zimbra on there ubuntu server that could see how easily it intergrates?
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[08:11] <PureEvilGeek> is any one running zimbra on ubuntu server 7.04?
[08:12] <ivoks> hi
[08:12] <ivoks> PureEvilGeek: i've set it up once, but on 6.06
[08:13] <PureEvilGeek> ivoks: hum. on there site it says it supports 6.x but i'm setting up a 7.x server and was just wondering if my attempt was going to be useless.
[08:13] <PureEvilGeek> we will see i guess:)
[08:14] <ivoks> i would recommend 6.06
[08:14] <PureEvilGeek> ivoks: did you like it? i'm just looking for something to replace my desktop mail client so I can access multiple e-mail accounts on different systems
[08:14] <ivoks> since it is long term supported version
[08:14] <PureEvilGeek> why is that?
[08:14] <PureEvilGeek> no features in 7.04 that are worth looking into?
[08:15] <ivoks> zimbra is not desktop mail client replacement
[08:15] <ivoks> it's a service
[08:15] <ivoks> it does have web client, but it's a service
[08:15] <PureEvilGeek> hum i'm getting it for its web client
[08:16] <ivoks> zimbra is email server
[08:16] <ivoks> not a client
[08:16] <ivoks> when you install it, you get smtp/imap/pop/ldap/web services
[08:17] <PureEvilGeek> right
[08:17] <PureEvilGeek> but from what I saw of the demo I could setup the web client to access multiple pop accounts on other locations. is this wrong?
[08:17] <ivoks> it's meant for people from other computers to connect to it, and share contacts...
[08:18] <PureEvilGeek> ivoks: ok if i wanted a web based client server (basicly outlook express / evolution but web based) what would I want to get?
[08:18] <ivoks> uff...
[08:18] <PureEvilGeek> uff?
[08:18] <ivoks> webmail is a service that ISPs provide
[08:19] <ivoks> having webmail on local computer is possible, but... i never seen antone using it on local computer :)
[08:19] <PureEvilGeek> i'm not looking to use it on the local computer (not the server end of it at least). i'm looking to use it on my server
[08:20] <ivoks> try squirrelmail
[08:20] <PureEvilGeek> to access multiple pop accounts. i'm not looking for an e-mail account with webmial i'm looking for webmail for my email accounts
[08:21] <ivoks> squirrelmail is a program
[08:22] <ivoks> webmail program
[08:23] <PureEvilGeek> isn't squirrelmail just a smtp/imap/pop server with a webmail interface?
[08:23] <ivoks> it's not a server, it's web application
[08:24] <ivoks> you are looking for 'web evolution/outlook'?
[08:25] <PureEvilGeek> basicly
[08:26] <PureEvilGeek> after i get ubuntu server on my vm i'll download the package and check it out
[08:27] <ivoks> i just saw... squirrelmail doesn't support multiple imap servers
[08:27] <PureEvilGeek> i'm pretty sure zimbra will do what i want
[08:27] <PureEvilGeek> since while I was on the demo it had specificly the option to do what iw ant
[08:28] <PureEvilGeek> unless i miss read it
[08:28] <ivoks> ok, go with zimbra...
[08:28] <ivoks> but that's like taking a 3.5t truck for couple of bricks
[08:29] <PureEvilGeek> yeah i realize that
[08:29] <PureEvilGeek> but since i don't have to pay for the gas...
[08:30] <PureEvilGeek> i'll be trying both out
[08:30] <ivoks> will you do anything else on that server?
[08:31] <PureEvilGeek> on the zimba server or the system itself?
[08:31] <ivoks> IIRC, zimbra installs it's own packages, making system almost unusable for any other business :/
[08:31] <PureEvilGeek> I can set up a system for just the mail app if i need to. have plenty of them around to do so
[08:32] <ivoks> ok :)
[08:32] <PureEvilGeek> Wish i could find a squirrelmail demo to try it out to see what it has
[08:32] <PureEvilGeek> I can also work inside a VM
[08:33] <ivoks> it's a webmail client
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[09:04] <nox-Hand> Hiya!
[09:04] <nox-Hand> Where do I change the message printed at login on my server?
[09:06] <ivoks>  /etc/motd
[09:07] <nox-Hand> Awesome, thanks ivoks  :)
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[09:08] <KennyTheGeek> Do i need x to do x forwarding through ssh
[09:08] <coNP> I don't think so
[09:09] <KennyTheGeek> my thought aswell... just a confused server then
[09:09] <ivoks> you don't
[09:09] <ivoks> you need X libs
[09:09] <coNP> actually you might need some X programs to make this whole issue useful
[09:10] <coNP> unless it is a third machine between the X server and X clients
[09:10] <ivoks> you don't need started X, but you need xlibs and progs
[09:11] <KennyTheGeek> my friend got a thin client he uses as server... the storage device is a memstick, so he don't have ressources for X.org
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[10:25] <teknoboi> hey i was wondering if someone might be able to help me out...in the process of me trying to install ravencore, it somehow created a folder with root that i cant delete or change permissions to
[10:26] <teknoboi> and i need to delete it so i can use alien to create the debian file to install
[10:28] <teknoboi> anyone around?
[10:30] <nealmcb> teknoboi: howdy - what folder?
[10:30] <teknoboi> its on my desktop...the ravencore folder (which is the software im trying to install)
[10:30] <nealmcb> sudo rm -f /the/folder
[10:31] <teknoboi> its telling me access is denied
[10:31] <teknoboi> it was created by the root account
[10:31] <nealmcb> ls -ld folder ==?
[10:31] <teknoboi> ?
[10:31] <nealmcb> what does "ls -ld folder" say?
[10:32] <teknoboi> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2007-06-24 12:45 ravencore-0.3.2
[10:33] <nealmcb> is there anything in it?
[10:33] <teknoboi> yes
[10:33] <nealmcb> sudo rm -fr ravencore-0.3.2
[10:34] <nealmcb> the "r" deletes the things inside also
[10:34] <nealmcb> recursively - use with care!
[10:34] <teknoboi> and i have no rights to those files and folders either
[10:34] <nealmcb> the "sudo" runs it as root
[10:35] <teknoboi> omg it worked
[10:35] <teknoboi> i could kiss you
[10:35] <nealmcb> :-)
[10:35] <teknoboi> ive spent two hours on this damned thing lol
[10:35] <nealmcb> just be careful with sudo :-)
[10:35] <teknoboi> why is that
[10:35] <nealmcb> you can really foul the system up by using the admin powers of sudo
[10:36] <teknoboi> yeah
[10:36] <teknoboi> understood
[10:36] <teknoboi> so i have another question
[10:36] <nealmcb> but a directory in your desktop like that when you want to delete the package anyway....  seems fine.  but I
[10:37] <teknoboi> any suggestions as far as webhosting administration software that you might recommend for ubuntu server?
[10:37] <nealmcb> ...i'm curious and should probably ask more about what the problem with ravencore was in the first place, and what it does :-)
[10:37] <teknoboi> ravencore is an open source web hosting administration tool used to administer web servers or server stacks
[10:37] <nealmcb> I've played with several over the years but am not up-to-speed
[10:37] <teknoboi> i gave webmin a shot and hate it
[10:37] <nealmcb> because?
[10:38] <teknoboi> too complex and would take weeks to train people on how to use and set up new accounts
[10:38] <ivoks> ispconfig
[10:39] <teknoboi> ispconfig?
[10:39] <teknoboi> the problem is (with ravencore) that i wasnt sure how to install rpm packages until a friend of mine suggested using alien
[10:39] <teknoboi> so im going to make a new attempt at installing it
[10:40] <PureEvilGeek> is there a plcae I could get an already setup vmware image of ubuntu server?
[10:41] <teknoboi> im new to the whole linux bit and its complicated lol
[10:42] <nealmcb> http://www.ispconfig.org/ is what ivoks mentioned
[10:42] <teknoboi> okay
[10:42] <PureEvilGeek> linux is complicated, wanting a web based e-mail client is like trying to solve world hunger
[10:42] <nealmcb> last I heard it wasn't a package, and it pulls in its own versions of apache, php, spamassassin, etc
[10:42] <teknoboi> so after i use alien to create the folder what am i supposed to do next
[10:42] <ivoks> PureEvilGeek: ?
[10:43] <ivoks> welll
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[10:43] <ivoks> ispconfig uses apache & php for administration
[10:43] <nealmcb> so ravencore isn't packaged for ubuntu?  you have an rpm?
[10:43] <PureEvilGeek> lol ubuntu server won't install on my vmware
[10:43] <teknoboi> correct neal
[10:43] <ivoks> but it uses distribution's apache for clients
[10:43] <teknoboi> i also have the source package if i nedd it
[10:44] <nealmcb> that would make it all more complicated, especially for upgrades.   hmmmm
[10:44] <teknoboi> the source package would?
[10:44] <ivoks> nealmcb: ispconfig?
[10:44] <nealmcb> i'm saying that using ravencore via rpm would be complicate4d
[10:44] <ivoks> right
[10:45] <dendrobates> you'd be better off downloading the ravencore tarball and following the instructions.
[10:45] <ivoks> i think ispconfig is best solution
[10:45] <teknoboi> i have the tarball
[10:45] <dendrobates> http://www.ravencore.com/installguide.php
[10:45] <teknoboi> i have that
[10:45] <dendrobates> should work fine in ubuntu.
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[10:46] <teknoboi> okay ill give this a shot brb
[10:46] <dendrobates> so what is all the talk about rpm then?
[10:46] <teknoboi> i tried to install the rpm twice and it didnt work so thats what i was asking
[10:47] <dendrobates> is this a popular package?  should we package it in ubuntu?
[10:47] <nealmcb> teknoboi: ubuntu developers are also working on making server admin easier in future releases.  anyone know the latest status?  My launchpad page points to a bunch of different specs on the issue :-)
[10:47] <dendrobates> I'm on the server team.  
[10:48] <ivoks> dendrobates: ispconfig is much better solution
[10:48] <dendrobates> I'll take a look at them.  thanks.
[10:48] <teknoboi> have u tried ravencore, ivoks?
[10:49] <ivoks> i just took a look at online demo
[10:49] <teknoboi> okay so im lost in this already
[10:50] <teknoboi> when i run the tar command, it extracts the package into a folder and where to go in that has confused me
[10:50] <teknoboi> after*
[10:51] <teknoboi> ooo wait i missed a step
[10:51] <ivoks> 'night all
[10:52] <teknoboi> make: *** No rule to make target `build'.  Stop.
[10:52] <teknoboi> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
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[10:52] <teknoboi> ? :(
[10:52] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
[10:53] <nealmcb> teknoboi: if you haven't built this sort of software from source before, there will be a bigger learning curve than webmin or ispconfig, I'm guessing
[10:54] <teknoboi> ive never built any software from source before
[10:54] <teknoboi> im new to linux remember
=== nealmcb nods
[10:55] <nealmcb> perhaps if you talked a bit more about exactly what you want to do and what you'll use it for we can help better
[10:55] <teknoboi> im going to be using ravencore to administer my webserver platform and lamp installation
[10:56] <teknoboi> helping to streamline user setup for customer service associates
[10:56] <teknoboi> i originally went with windows advanced server platform but it was even more complicated that this as far as setup
[10:56] <nealmcb> what sorts of apps?  small business?
[10:56] <teknoboi> im starting a small hosting company
[10:57] <nealmcb> I've also heard good things about ispconfig, but haven't tried it
[10:57] <teknoboi> well im willing to give it a shot if its easier to install than ravencore
[10:57] <teknoboi> lol
[10:59] <nealmcb> Given your goals, I'd guess that long-term support and easy upgrades are more important than the learning curve of the initial install....
[11:00] <teknoboi> hey, if learning is what it will require to achieve an easy-to-use, powerful platform from which i can adminster my server than so be it...ill need to learn sometime
[11:05] <nealmcb> teknoboi: right on
[11:12] <teknoboi> nealmcb: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704_p7 <<< can u look over that and tell me how it looks...is it for real or is it crap
[11:14] <PureEvilGeek> doesn't the server version of ubuntu have a GUI to it out of the box?
[11:14] <teknoboi> i had to install gnome
[11:16] <PureEvilGeek> that... i had oddly not expected
[11:17] <teknoboi> ah
=== PureEvilGeek just removes it from the vm and installs bsd since he already knows how that works
[11:27] <nealmcb> PureEvilGeek: there are a lot of good reasons to not have the extra bulk and security issues of running x/gnome/etc on a server.  that's one reason folks like linux for servers over windows
[11:27] <shawarma> PureEvilGeek: No, we don't have any gui on our servers.
[11:27] <shawarma> PureEvilGeek: Why would we?
[11:27] <nealmcb> and you can manage a server via a gui using the web of course
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